Why you should NOT vote Lib/Lab/Con [Archive] - David Icke's Official Forums

free thinker

12-05-2009, 07:12 AM

The three main political parties will meet tomorrow tomorrow at Westminster to try to agree common ground rules on how to fight the British National party in the European election on 4 June.

The meeting will look at a loose code of conduct, including an early warning system if any party finds a rival candidate is resorting to semi-racist remarks or literature.

The idea of imposing a blanket policy of refusing to share a platform with the BNP, something the Tories oppose, will also be discussed.

The meeting will be held between the Tory chairman, Eric Pickles, the Labour deputy leader, Harriet Harman, and Lady Scott, the Liberal Democrat president.

The BNP launched its European election manifesto today, hoping that it will be able to exploit public anger over MPs' expenses. Its leader, Nick Griffin, said the party would threaten "tired, corrupt old politicians".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/11/bnp-european-elections

Question of the day:

Who's fooling who?

free thinker

12-05-2009, 07:26 AM

Eric Pickles on Question Time 26/03/09 - YouTube

free thinker

12-05-2009, 07:29 AM

Harriet Harman defends crooked MP's expenses claims (08May09) - YouTube

oneup

12-05-2009, 07:37 AM

I'm not going to vote for anything at all, it's all a scam.

markomac

12-05-2009, 09:17 AM

I'm not going to vote for anything at all, it's all a scam.

They will still win with that mentality.

Vote for one of the independents. UKIP is a good place to start. Put the pressure on the mugs.

You have to beat them at their own game within their own system and once that is done you can scrap the whole thing or fix it.

meet my maker

12-05-2009, 09:29 AM

I'm not going to vote for anything at all, it's all a scam.
Exactly, its the theater of british politics,all parties are funded by the tptb. All party leaders are controlled,to give the illusion of choice. They have deliberately given the MPs enough rope to hang themselves so the public will eventually demand change.This change will not be for the better.

justawake

12-05-2009, 09:39 AM

The trouble is that if we all woke up and started to vote in numbers for the independents, the controllers would put their people in there too.
Just look at the current labour party, it's not much different than the old conservative party, yet they used to be so different.
If the public start to reject the current government, they'll just change their angle enough to get acceptance, then slowly begin their agenda again.
What we can do, I have no idea ?

oneup

12-05-2009, 03:03 PM

They will still win with that mentality.
Vote for one of the independents. UKIP is a good place to start. Put the pressure on the mugs.

You have to beat them at their own game within their own system and once that is done you can scrap the whole thing or fix it.

Exactly, its the theater of british politics,all parties are funded by the tptb. All party leaders are controlled,to give the illusion of choice. They have deliberately given the MPs enough rope to hang themselves so the public will eventually demand change.This change will not be for the better.

Thanks for your comments.
I don't think we have any independent parties here in the netherlands,
The way the politics/voting system works here is totally ridiculous,
I'm not even sure I completely understand it.
I looked at the list of all dutch political parties (List of political parties in the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
And there is one independent party but it never even competed :D:D

kidsarocker

12-05-2009, 03:12 PM

They will still win with that mentality.

Vote for one of the independents. UKIP is a good place to start. Put the pressure on the mugs.

You have to beat them at their own game within their own system and once that is done you can scrap the whole thing or fix it.

The system always wins in the end, whoever is in government still has to answer to the Queen.

We need a new system to combat the old system, but you know something I would not like to scupper Horus' plans just yet.

omnit

12-05-2009, 03:17 PM

decim

12-05-2009, 04:13 PM

We do not need a government as such anymore, what we need is a group of human beings, with ideas, these ideas then get put to the vote and EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTRY then gets to vote on EVERY DECISION!

My thoughts exactly.
There is the technology to do this.

Press the Red button for No, Green for Yes.

DeRemotecracy.

It is the way forward.

Also we we would Majority rule, rather than conspired minority agendas.

free thinker

12-05-2009, 04:30 PM

les_paul_robot

12-05-2009, 04:41 PM

We need to change the whole system,, back to a democratic way!

We do not need a government as such anymore, what we need is a group of human beings, with ideas, these ideas then get put to the vote and EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTRY then gets to vote on EVERY DECISION!

It was hard to do in the past, but now we have the internet and mobile phones, it would be quite easy to implement!

We dont need or want different parties with leaders being controlled by tptb, we need to take back our rights as human beings and we need to accept responsibility for ourselves!

WE ARE NOT CHILDREN!I don't think democracy works. Even when votes are counted correctly, the names Schwarzenegger and Boris Johnson say it all.
Who would decide the members of this group to come up with ideas? Would it be a meritocratic process to eligible to be in this group?
I don't believe people should tell other people to do anything. The only type of 'authority' that should be allowed is the type that would pull a child out of the path of an oncoming vehicle, and that's all. Not to pull it out of the road and then indoctrinate it into all sorts of sun-god worshipping cult ideologies then subject it to ridiculous statutes.

decim

12-05-2009, 04:45 PM

Digital Democracy would rid us of elections.

People Apply for the Job, if qualified they get the job, if they feck up, they get SACKED.

Mps are managers.

clozaril

12-05-2009, 04:46 PM

i'm voting either ukip or bnp :eek:

belial

12-05-2009, 04:47 PM

We need to change the whole system,, back to a democratic way!

We do not need a government as such anymore, what we need is a group of human beings, with ideas, these ideas then get put to the vote and EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTRY then gets to vote on EVERY DECISION!

It was hard to do in the past, but now we have the internet and mobile phones, it would be quite easy to implement!

We dont need or want different parties with leaders being controlled by tptb, we need to take back our rights as human beings and we need to accept responsibility for ourselves!

WE ARE NOT CHILDREN!

I agree. :)

And how do you suppose we get past the government's bodyguards?

I.E. 'The Police' and 'The Army' and 'The SAS', etc. etc.?

No... we are not children.

But we have a slight problem don't we? Especially as DI doesn't condone violence, yet it is violence that rules the world.

januspolanski

12-05-2009, 05:00 PM

I think that the first thing to do is remove the class barrier from politics.

Why should it be privleged that get to represent us?

Random people should be summond to do short stints in westminster, any law-making decisions should be thrashed out on votes recieved for - or against and posted on govt websites.

No Perks allowed, only small out of pocket ex;s only.

Abit like jury service you get called to serve your country.

Young school leavers to pensioners, men women all equal to each other.

And for all this work, everyone should receive a decent wage that would sort yourselves out financially maybe to by a reasonable 3 or 4 bed home maybe?

+1 I think similar to this. Why should the Wealthy rule when they are the minority.

I do think that voting for a new government is like voting for a new shop manager who does have a little power but still answers to the area manager and the owner. Like voting for a new Colonel in the army but the Generals stay the same.

januspolanski

12-05-2009, 05:02 PM

I agree. :)

And how do you suppose we get past the government's bodyguards?

I.E. 'The Police' and 'The Army' and 'The SAS', etc. etc.?

No... we are not children.

But we have a slight problem don't we? Especially as DI doesn't condone violence, yet it is violence that rules the world.

Well you dont fight them you just educate them and get them onboard. You d be surprised how many already know whats going on.

belial

12-05-2009, 05:03 PM

Well you dont fight them you just educate them and get them onboard. You d be surprised how many already know whats going on.

Surprise me then?

decim

12-05-2009, 05:04 PM

One Million in Lawful Rebellion would be a rolling rock.

beldazar

12-05-2009, 07:59 PM

I'm not going to vote for anything at all, it's all a scam.

agreed :(

drhemp

12-05-2009, 08:08 PM

I'm not going to vote for anything at all, it's all a scam.

Sadly that is exactly what they want. These evil people will be sleeping well knowing that is the attitude of the vast majority of the dissatisfied. Apathy rules.

I'm not sure why some people on here are so worried about the forthcoming abolishment of democracy in Europe when they can't even be bothered to take part in what little democratic process we have left.

Do you know what would really make politicians from the established political parties start shitting themselves? I'll tell you; if all the disenfranchised voters said,' I'm not going to vote for one of the main political parties, but I'm still going to make the effort to go to the polling station and vote for someone else' then that surely would not make them happy; if you bother to go and vote you'll discover there are normally plenty of parties to chose from other than the 3 main existing established parties.

Why do you join me in voting for UKIP and help push Broon and his Labour cronies into 4th place? Or would you prefer we had tanks rolling down the streets so you didn't have to inconvenience yourself by making a 5 minute walk to a polling station every year or so to do the arduous task of marking a small bit of paper and put it in a box?

oneup

12-05-2009, 08:30 PM

agreed :(
Sadly that is exactly what they want.

It remains a dilemma, the opinions seem to be divided :)
I did go from 'i'm not gonna vote' to 'maybe I should consider to vote'

drhemp

12-05-2009, 10:24 PM

It remains a dilemma, the opinions seem to be divided :)
I did go from 'i'm not gonna vote' to 'maybe I should consider to vote'

Well think about it like this, on the morning after the Euro elections, what do you want the news to be:

1.) Labour bosses were revealed after they did better than expected in yesterday's Euro elections, actually increasing the number of Labour MEPs, Prime Minister Gordon Brown hailed the result that his policies were right for Britain, etc.,

2.) The future of Gordon Brown was in question last night after Labour received their lowest share of the vote in modern history, coming 4th behind the UK Independence Party.

The choice is yours.

It's possible UKIP could even come 2nd and if all the people who are pissed off with the Government and voted UKIP instead of staying at home, then they would come 1st.

Brown wants to give all our sovereignty to Brussels so all laws in not just Britain, but Europe too, will come from unelected EU bureaucrats, so we will have a government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations, and we shall perish from the earth.

If you don't want that, then please send a message to those Labour scumbags and vote UKIP, this will be one of the last occasions that your vote could make a difference, as the end game for them is to abolish the democratic process altogether. If you don't want to live in what Common Purpose call the 'Post Democratic Era' - then get out and vote UKIP, and tell all your friends and family to do the same!

beldazar

12-05-2009, 10:27 PM

No thanks Dr Hemp,. I dont know about you but Im all growd up see? I can 'govern' myself thankyou very much!

drhemp

12-05-2009, 10:39 PM

No thanks Dr Hemp,. I dont know about you but Im all growd up see? I can 'govern' myself thankyou very much!

Well that's the whole point. We have in place politicians that want the State to control every aspect of our lives from cradle to the grave and who have absolutely no respect for either the rule of law or the democratic mandate of the people.

Sadly by not voting you are helping them get one step further to their eventual goal of a totalitarian undemocratic European super state. I don't want to live in that, and I wish you would help me not have to live in such an awful country by voting for a political party that has stated it would bring Britain out of the corrupt EU.

beldazar

12-05-2009, 10:50 PM

Maybe you are right Dr Hemp, politics has never been an interest of mine TBH, Ive only ever voted twice in my 42 years of living here. Now Im so disillusioned I wavered my right to vote last year.
I had the usual visit, the woman with the clipboard was clued up enough to not read out my name but instead she pointed to my name in capital letters. Of course I said it wasnt 'me' and said my piece, she walked away smiling.

Anyway, even if UKIP do somehow get in, power corrupts eventually and they will consider themselves 'heirarchy' and get the 'benefits', which will get bigger and bigger, its called human nature.

Sod' em all I say...Im off to live in the woods. oops, I cant even do that, everywhere is owned :o :(

Oh, and please dont be 'sad' about it and imply that I may somehow be responsible for any messes that occur just because I dont wanna vote, I resent that a little.....

drhemp

12-05-2009, 11:00 PM

I too hear what you are saying, but it only takes a few minutes to vote, and unlike most elections, this is one election where there is a genuine opportunity to not only give the government a bloody nose but to stick 2 fingers up at all 3 of the main political parties. A big UKIP vote would at least send a message to them that the British people do not approve of their plans to hand over all sovereignty to Brussels, and I say this as a former Lib Dem activist (many moons ago).

beldazar

12-05-2009, 11:04 PM

Ive just remembered that Ive only ever voted once, the last time I made a mistake and they wouldnt let me change it.

Im still not voting, sorry. There is so much that needs to change, too much IMO. the whole sodding lot!

free thinker

13-05-2009, 06:51 AM

Essentially we are all singing from the same hymn book here, this current shower of shit has to go - of that it seems most are agreed.

The divide seems to be on how to do it.

Plan A: Vote

Plan B: Abstain from voting.

Which do you think will change, or go towards changing anything?

oneup

13-05-2009, 08:42 AM

DrHemp you might have a point but as I said before I can't vote for any independent party, UKIP isn't on the list for me, it's strange that even though it's the EU polling I can only choose from dutch parties it seems.
This is the list where I can choose from:
Lijst 1. CDA- Europese Volkspartij

Lijst 2. P.v.d.A./Europese Sociaaldemocraten

Lijst 3. VVD- Europese Liberaal-Democraten

Lijst 4. GROENLINKS

Lijst 5. SP (Socialistische Partij)

Lijst 6. ChristenUnie-SGP

Lijst 7. Democraten 66 (D66)

Lijst 8. Newropeans

Lijst 9. Europa Voordelig! & Duurzaam

Lijst 10. Solidara

Lijst 11. Partij voor de Dieren

Lijst 12. EUROPESE KLOKKENLUIDERS PARTIJ (EKP)

Lijst 13. De Groenen

Lijst 14. PVV (Partij voor de Vrijheid)

Lijst 15. Liberaal Democratische Partij

Lijst 16. Partij voor Europese Politiek (PEP)

Lijst 17. Libertas

nightwalker

13-05-2009, 09:09 AM

We do not need a government as such anymore, what we need is a group of human beings, with ideas, these ideas then get put to the vote and EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTRY then gets to vote on EVERY DECISION!

Thats a massive assumption that everyone gives a damn enough to vote for any one or anything :o

oneup

13-05-2009, 09:20 AM

if they want to make a difference...

nightwalker

13-05-2009, 09:27 AM

redskywalker

13-05-2009, 09:36 AM

I always voted, always always always. Was brought up that if you don't vote you can't moan, I like moaning too much, nah lol just kidding. I am a Scot so when I still lived in Scotland there were a few parties I could vote for and feel ok with. Now I live in a seaside village in England and there is basically no choice. 3 main stooges green ukip and bnp. None of them shall ever get a vote off me, i'd die before voting bnp! However, the last time I couldn't find anyone worth voting for I spoiled my paper :D. Each spoiled ballot has to be checked and read by a fair few people. If we don't like what we have and don't have a choice to change it then at least register the fact you are willing to take part in community affairs but cannot support any of the candidates because they're corrupt or whatever. So, I shall be strolling to the ballot box pencil ready to write something other than an x :D.
I remember a debate back in scotland at one of the counts as to whether someones vote could be accepted because they had shaded in a st. andrews cross instead of putting in an x. Of course it was for the snp, so the other parties wanted it voided lol bunch of wa**ers. The vote i'm glad to say was eventually allowed but was funny to watch them almost cry over that one vote being allowed. so smily faces anyone? bit of a quote here and there. maybe even just writing you must be joking! but i'd still encourage everyone to vote. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the uk were forced to announce to europe and the world that there was a 75% turnout but over half the votes were spoiled ballots :D that would make my decade (it's normally in the low 20's for euros). If we all did that would it be better to all write the same thing and if so what should we write? hmm any suggestions?
Abundant joy in love and light. red

oneup

13-05-2009, 09:39 AM

Some people simply dont care - as long as they have what they perceive to be their creature comforts they are happy. They dont want to make a difference. Thats why there is so much apathy - too many people rely on 'someone else' doing whats needed.

That is because people can't really make a difference now, which makes them apathic about it. If people would get to vote for every decision they would soon realize they really can make a difference which would motivate people to vote.

nightwalker

13-05-2009, 09:50 AM

That is because people can't really make a difference now, which makes them apathic about it. If people would get to vote for every decision they would soon realize they really can make a difference which would motivate people to vote.

I will agree to disagree with you on that one. I have met plenty who couldnt give a flying f**k as long as they personally ok. The system caters for many of them through the so called welfare system.

kde_

13-05-2009, 10:41 AM

Got my electoral registration form here. I have not voted for many years but I'm going to do so, UKIP I'm thinking. Also it's important to be available for jury service as thats still a good system.

oneup

13-05-2009, 10:54 AM

I will agree to disagree with you on that one. I have met plenty who couldnt give a flying f**k as long as they personally ok. The system caters for many of them through the so called welfare system.

They might realize that they could be even more personally OK if they would take the effort to vote.
I'm pretty sure a large number of people wouldn't, but the majority will I think.

Ian2day

13-05-2009, 12:08 PM

Do not vote for UKIP. They are tptb stooges. In fact I am going to attend and just write
I Do Not Consent
on the front of the poll card. Tell everyone to do this. A vote for UKIP is a vote for tptb. Fuck the elections and all forms of government. They are not your friend and never will be, judging by my knowledge of what they get upto.

oneup

13-05-2009, 12:37 PM

That's one awesome idea :)

hey_jude

13-05-2009, 01:11 PM

There is a good reason why you cannot vote for UKIP oneup ...please read this post ...re the abolition of the UK govt. and all European govt. too!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=887647#post887647

...it has been designed so NO political party can survive the terms & conditions stipulated in their agenda!

...if we cannot leave the EU soon we will have to form a European Political Party just to be able to vote "at European Level"

oneup

13-05-2009, 01:39 PM

great post. i'm gonna read the full article tonight.
I am kind of aware of these practices though.
In the netherlands this system is so ridiculous, The main parties have to agree on each other and 'form a cabinet'.
So what we now have is basically a bunch of puppets together with totally different views and opinions, so they will never agree on each other and nothing will ever change, and I believe that's exactly how it was designed. MAYBE they can agree on each other if we are still allowed to smoke in the pubs but that's about it.

Damnit I wanted to paste some cartoon here which I can't find...
Anyway it showed the 3 major dutch political leaders tangled up together in ropes. very relevant to my post :)

lewi

13-05-2009, 02:10 PM

Time we had change instead of the same three parties over and over for god sake someone please change the dam record.

hey_jude

13-05-2009, 07:24 PM

Time we had change instead of the same three parties over and over for god sake someone please change the dam record.

abso-fucking-lutely! :D

justawake

13-05-2009, 09:14 PM

I registered for a postal vote a couple of years ago, I missed the last general election as I was out of the country. I wanted to make sure I could vote every time.

The best thing is that I don't have to make time to go to the polling station, which can be very difficult if you are working out of town.

Any way my point is that if you vote by post it is so easy that even those that can't be bothered could vote for one of the independents.

We must realize that even though your chosen independent may not get in, they will hopefully get a good number of votes more than last time, which will send a message to the others that we are getting fed up.

By the way, I have a Spanish girlfriend, and if we leave the European union I would be very upset if we couldn't travel with the freedom we currently have.

free thinker

15-05-2009, 06:23 AM

Look at these two headlines....

MPs expenses scandal grows (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/mps-expenses-scandal-grows-14303332.html)

Troops 'left with outdated kit' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8051207.stm)

The greedy pigs at westminster all voted for these war in the M/East:mad:

Another reason NOT to vote for the LibLabCon machine

oneup

15-05-2009, 08:02 AM

Heard that on the dutch radio this morning.
"Confidence in UK politicians reached an absolute low, the average citizen has more confidence in a second-hand-car salesman" :D

drhemp

15-05-2009, 10:38 AM

DrHemp you might have a point but as I said before I can't vote for any independent party, UKIP isn't on the list for me, it's strange that even though it's the EU polling I can only choose from dutch parties it seems.
This is the list where I can choose from:

I dont know that much about Dutch politics, but surely there must be one on the list that is more preferable to Harry Potter and the Christian Democrats?

oneup

15-05-2009, 11:02 AM

whaha yes of course we have the tree-hugging-global-warming-scammers, racist geert wilders, and of course larger lib/lab/con parties.
maybe I should vote for the animal party or something :)

drhemp

15-05-2009, 11:06 AM

whaha yes of course we have the tree-hugging-global-warming-scammers, racist geert wilders, and of course larger lib/lab/con parties.
maybe I should vote for the animal party or something :)

Which was the party that didn't want to ban magic mushrooms and close down the coffeeshops?

oneup

15-05-2009, 11:20 AM

Which was the party that didn't want to ban magic mushrooms and close down the coffeeshops?

GroenLinks, this literally means GreenLeft.
maybe not such not a bad idea, I don't wanna see them getting closed :mad:

drhemp

15-05-2009, 11:23 AM

GroenLinks, this literally means GreenLeft.
maybe not such not a bad idea, I don't wanna see them getting closed :mad:

Dilemma solved :D

oneup

15-05-2009, 11:44 AM

LOL thanks :)

Ian2day

15-05-2009, 03:07 PM

This is, as others have said, a part of the agenda of tptb. I have estimated that the MP's claimed £18 million each year for expenses. Compare that to how much the bankers and other ruling elites have syphoned off. With over stated financial forecasts, leading to massive bonus and pension payments received just before a CEO leaves a company/bank etc. It really is small change what the MP's have overclaimed.

What is of interest is that the rules of claiming expenses were changed 4 years ago. Before that they didn't have to supply any receipts. So a culture of excess was established. With some MP's being shown how to flip houses and engineer their main homes location to best fit in with a maximum claim.

All of the receipts from the four years have been copied and supplied to the Telegraph to enable an orchastrated revolt to take place this summer. A summer of rage is hoped for so as to bring forth a clamp down on our freedom and rights.

This is being carried out by the same group who bugged me.
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elysiumfire

15-05-2009, 05:54 PM

Y'know what...this is the perfect opportunity to give Europe a bloody-nose! Get out and vote, but when you do vote, do so strategically, tactically. Go for the least disruptive consequence if necessary...but do get out and vote!

It is possible to place a well-aimed spanner in the works. Do the research first on the candidates in your area, and see how voting for a particular candidate might affect you and your community. We know already that a vote for Labour is a vote for Europe! We know already that a vote for UKIP is a vote against Europe. Want some revenge? It ain't rocket science! Don't be clever, don't be an artist, just place an 'X' and get the job done!

Start taking an interest in the machinations being applied to your individual freedom and liberty and privacy. Become aware, become alert, become responsible for the impact you make in your community. Don't moan about the trangressions being made upon and against you, and then deny yourself a voting impact. Stop being controlled!

This vote for MEPs will be considered a referendum on Europe by Labour. They will consider and judge it as such, so it is essential you get out and vote. If UKIP steal the day, Labour will have no choice but to consider it a referendum of 'NO!' Therefore, if Labour are wont to perceive this like the denied Euro referendum, then you should too! Vote for it or against it...but vote!

free thinker

16-05-2009, 02:52 PM

I Can't believe the audacity of the Westminster Highwaymen/women :eek::mad: who-the-fuck do they think they are:confused:

We're busting our balls, trying to make ends meet, and these Ponce's are blatantly taking the piss out of us - all the while planting fucking cameras on every street corner, watching what were fuckin doing!!! WTF.:mad:

....and if this is not dire enough for you, the greedy twats claim to represent it's constituents:confused: - there must be a lot of Dick Turpin's in their constituencies then!!:rolleyes:

decim

16-05-2009, 02:55 PM

steppewar

16-05-2009, 02:59 PM

I'll be voting for the BNP.

I'd prefer to vote for a Nazi/SS party led by someone like Heinrich Himmler, but unfortunately there isn't one.

scotty99

17-05-2009, 01:46 AM

It doesn't matter who you vote for...THE government always get in.

dont vote BNP (excluded from above statement, because they arent in the cosy NWO club), give them a bit of power...and the reaL Agenda will surface in time. Aging skinheads/NF and football firm members led like sheep by some rather sinister characters are not the answer.

UKIP about the best option so far

cosmo

17-05-2009, 03:33 AM

here is the general election

ohhh spoilt for choice...

Ole Nick Klegg of the Sublimenal Democratic party
Gorden Brownshirt of the Slave Labour party
David Camerougen of the Con'u'serfative party

line up line up...please pick your puppet

x in the box please......any box will do(not so obvious NLP ;0 )

please use the pencils we provided...

next please

enjoy the show!

when the show is over please dont look for the editor/director or production team
if you dont like what you see...they already left for a holiday in the seychells

...no money is refundable..every shows a gaurenteed SELL OUT! (of your rights and freedom)

Next production coming SOON....soon as you get pissed off with watching this one...

Just let us know when and we will call up the production team and get them to write us a new show:)