Hitler aged 107?

[narcolepticwatchman]

I had read about Hitler being still alive in 97 previously but never seen any images alleging to be him til yesterday.


http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/pic2/hitler-altersheim.jpg

What does everybody think? Looks like him to me......but why is the photo black and white if its supposed to have been taken in 97?

I definitley think there is a lot more to the Hitler tale than we have been told. Whether or not that was him in the assasination photos I don't know and I also read a document stating that the famous bunker was not in Germany but Greece? and that the photos had been faked with his doppelganger.

[sensimillia]

don´t know what really happened to hitler,but i agree, there´propably more to the story of him then we know. that picture looks like a photoshop piece of work though.

[2013]

pmsl the hanky on the head to imitate the famous lock of hair no doubt , but ye The eyes do look like his .Churchill had doubles as did saddam all the leaders probably do so of course hitler had them . Who knows the boys from brazil springs to mind good movie , maybe they are al lhis clones in positions of power now , according to the literature clones are often unstable so makes sense to me :D

[raffles]

don´t know what really happened to hitler,but i agree, there´propably more to the story of him then we know. that picture looks like a photoshop piece of work though.

I have to agree it does seem to have a photoshop feel to it, i could be wrong though.

[ashyr]

no its just an old photo.

so why is it relevant to 107 years of age?

[kasalt]

Hitler was born in 1889. By 1945, he was 56 years old and in very poor health and taking many medications. Most likely he was addicted to some of them too. He was mentally and physically ravaged by that time. His stresses and illness made him look well older than 56, according to those who were close to him then. Even if he did escape the bunker, he couldn't have lived long.

[narcolepticwatchman]

Hitler was born in 1889. By 1945, he was 56 years old and in very poor health and taking many medications. Most likely he was addicted to some of them too. He was mentally and physically ravaged by that time. His stresses and illness made him look well older than 56, according to those who were close to him then. Even if he did escape the bunker, he couldn't have lived long.


How do you know for sure he was taking alll these medications? The stuff I have read of late makes me question everything so no offence intended. Official versions, when it comes to these subjects, I would guess are all a pack of lies.......would you expect anything less from the Illuminati?

I always harp back to it, but Orwell was telling us all along. 1984 was a prophecy. He seen it all happening working for the BBC.......he couln't convince himself that 2 + 2 = 5.

The 107 thing came from when the photo was supposedly taken around 97. Its actually the second time I have encountered the 107 y/o Hitler story. I read an interesting interview with Otto Skorzeny who was Hitlers bodyguard. In it he mentions the 97 renunion meeting and the photo.

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

[graflok]

...but why is the photo black and white if its supposed to have been taken in 97?

B&W film is still alive and well. Some publications, such as newspapers, still only
publish B&W images. It may also have been taken in color and converted to
B&W for publication.

Also, in 1997, the "digital revolution" was not nearly what it is today, i.e., film
was still widely used by photo-journalists.

[ennui]

Hitler did not die in 1945. He escaped to Spain, then to Morroco, then to Argentina. An Arado bomber, escorted by more than 50 Fock-Wulf FW-190 fighters left Berlin on the day of Hitlers 'suicide' and headed straight to the Baltic Sea. The crew were asked not to look at the passengers. One pilot did and he saw Hitler and Eva Braun on the plane. Then he kept track where the plane went. Althought the plane is said to have gone to the USA, it also went to Argentina.

There was a documentary on C4 years ago claiming that Hilter had escaped to Argentina. They spoke to a woman who worked at the Eden Hotel who said that Hilter had gone to stay there after the war. She was very matter of fact about it, saying what sort of food he liked and what music he listened to.

Recently I read a few accounts of "Father Krespi (http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/mysteries/history/hitler.html)" from Argentina. Many claim that Hitler lived his post-WWII years under this alias. He passed away in 1993and Germans from all over the world went to the funeral.

I remember hearing, in the 1950s, rumors that Hitler had escaped to a secret Nazi base at the South Pole. In 1952, Dwight D. Eisenhower said: "We have been unable to unearth one bit of tangible evidence of Hitler's death. Many people believe that Hitler escaped from Berlin."

When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Potsdam conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, 'No.' Stalin's top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov, whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a long thorough investigation in 1945: "We have found no corpse that could be Hitler's."

The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd, said: "No one can say he is dead." Major General Floyd Parks, who was commanding general of the U.S. sector in Berlin, stated for publication that he had been present when Marshall Zhukov described his entrance to Berlin, and Zhukov stated he believed Hitler might have escaped. Lt. Gen. Bedell Smith, Chief of Staff to Gen. Eisenhower in the European invasion and later Director of the CIA, stated publicly on Oct. 12, 1945, "No human being can say conclusively that Hitler is dead."

Col. W.J. Heimlich, former Chief, United States Intelligence, at Berlin, stated for publication that he was in charge of determining what had happened to Hitler and after a thorough investigation his report was: "There was no evidence beyond that of HEARSAY to support the THEORY of Hitler's suicide." He also stated, "On the basis of present evidence, no insurance company in America would pay a claim on Adolph Hitler."

Nuremberg judge Michael Mussmanno said in his book "Ten Days to Die," "Russia must accept much of the blame [to the extent that it still exists] that Hitler did not die in May 1945." However, Mussmanno STATED that he interviewed Hitler's personal waiter, his valet, his chauffeur, his two secretaries, pilots, top generals, etc., and they all 'agreed' perfectly that Hitler committed suicide. He said they could not have gotten together afterward and made up a story that agreed in perfect detail without one flaw anywhere, so they must be telling the truth and he was absolutely convinced that Hitler committed suicide. The story at first sounds convincing, until you realized that they could have memorized a story BEFOREHAND and these were all people who almost WORSHIPPED Hitler. Do witnesses EVER agree "perfectly" in detail in real life?

Source: Weekly World News

[kasalt]

Source: Weekly World News

Your source is the Weekly World News?? LOL...

"The Weekly World News (WWN) is a mock tabloid newspaper published by American Media Inc. Its editor in chief is Jeff Rovin. It combines wire reports of strange news with in-house writings and columns, all fictional." - Wikipedia, "Weekly World News", Weekly World News - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ashyr]

so, do you ever think maybe hitler was against the regiem of the ILLUMINATI and NWO ?

[oceanwave]

we still talking about him?

apparently...

*sigh*, fixation knows no bounds

[heretic]

Has anybody seen the German movie "Downfall" ? Pretty good I thought.

[narcolepticwatchman]

so, do you ever think maybe hitler was against the regiem of the ILLUMINATI and NWO ?

Not a chance. He was part of their plan. They financed him.

[crowd control]

Your source is the Weekly World News?? LOL...

"The Weekly World News (WWN) is a mock tabloid newspaper published by American Media Inc. Its editor in chief is Jeff Rovin. It combines wire reports of strange news with in-house writings and columns, all fictional." - Wikipedia, "Weekly World News", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_World_News

Kasalt maybe try next time without the "lol", is there really any need for ridicule on this subject? How quickly interesting online conversation, debate and collective investigation frequently and unnecasarily devolves into personal sniping, but nevertheless well done with the info on the paper.

[crowd control]

we still talking about him?

apparently...

*sigh*, fixation knows no bounds

That's a bit negative and unhelpful is it not ?

[crowd control]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QRu6zQoH4cA&mode=related&search=

A larger image of the picture near the start of this video.

[tinmenace]

I had read about Hitler being still alive in 97 previously but never seen any images alleging to be him til yesterday.


http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/pic2/hitler-altersheim.jpg

What does everybody think? Looks like him to me......but why is the photo black and white if its supposed to have been taken in 97?

I definitley think there is a lot more to the Hitler tale than we have been told. Whether or not that was him in the assasination photos I don't know and I also read a document stating that the famous bunker was not in Germany but Greece? and that the photos had been faked with his doppelganger.

Facial features are similar. It wouldn't surprise me.

[graflok]

If it's true that Hitler actually died in 1993, that's the same year that Patrick Arnold
Schwarzenegger was born. He is the grandson of Nazi police chief Gustav
Schwarzenegger, the son of Arnold and the great grandson of Joseph Kennedy.

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/23192/2004800212019915753_rs.jpg

A "chip off the old block?"

[cafetimes1991]

Interesting thread.

[januspolanski]

Has anybody seen the German movie "Downfall" ? Pretty good I thought.

Yea a very good film.

Interesting thread.

[killmicrosoft]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E

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[flickflack]

Hitler has been long dead now. Hitler was actually suffering from Parkinson's disease in 1945. One of his hands was shaking uncontrollable, so he couldn't be able to get very old. In fact, his deputy Heinrich Himmler wanted to be the new Fuhrer when Hitler was hiding in his bunker in 1945. Himmler meant that Hitler was sick, and that he could take over.
Hitler saw this as betrayal though. At that point, Hitler was already mad at both Herman Goring and Albert Speer.

[milone]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QRu6zQoH4cA&mode=related&search=

A larger image of the picture near the start of this video.


What happend to the youtube video???? It has been removed by Youtube??? suspicious isn't it???

[icecoldmeltz]

Hitler has been long dead now. Hitler was actually suffering from Parkinson's disease in 1945. One of his hands was shaking uncontrollable, so he couldn't be able to get very old. In fact, his deputy Heinrich Himmler wanted to be the new Fuhrer when Hitler was hiding in his bunker in 1945. Himmler meant that Hitler was sick, and that he could take over.
Hitler saw this as betrayal though. At that point, Hitler was already mad at both Herman Goring and Albert Speer. O' F*%K OFF If your from the USA. He was Sneaked' in through the Back Door' with the Rest of Them.

[1977]

http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/pic2/hitler-altersheim.jpg
Looks like a pre-Photoshop airbrush job. Not a real photo, IMO.

[tribe_of_david]

Has anybody seen the German movie "Downfall" ? Pretty good I thought.


Yes seen it for the first time a few weeks ago, Id had it on DVD for a few years before i got round to watching it. Thought it was a good film.

[flickflack]

O' F*%K OFF If your from the USA. He was Sneaked' in through the Back Door' with the Rest of Them.

Hitler is dead...

[steppewar]

If it's true that Hitler actually died in 1993, that's the same year that Patrick Arnold
Schwarzenegger was born. He is the grandson of Nazi police chief Gustav
Schwarzenegger, the son of Arnold and the great grandson of Joseph Kennedy.

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/23192/2004800212019915753_rs.jpg

A "chip off the old block?"

Hitler reincarnated?

[paradise_1000]

The OMEGA File

18. HITLER ESCAPED!



I remember hearing, in the 1950s, rumors that Hitler had escaped to a secret Nazi base at the South Pole. In 1952, Dwight D. Eisenhower said: "We have been unable to unearth one bit of tangible evidence of Hitler's death. Many people believe that Hitler escaped from Berlin." When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Potsdam conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, 'No.' Stalin's top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov, whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a long thorough investigation in 1945: "We have found no corpse that could be Hitler's." The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd, said: "No one can say he is dead." Major General Floyd Parks, who was commanding general of the U.S. sector in Berlin, stated for publication that he had been present when Marshall Zhukov described his entrance to Berlin, and Zhukov stated he believed Hitler might have escaped. Lt. Gen. Bedell Smith, Chief of Staff to Gen. Eisenhower in the European invasion and later Director of the CIA, stated publicly on Oct. 12, 1945, "No human being can say conclusively that Hitler is dead." Col. W.J. Heimlich, former Chief, United States Intelligence, at Berlin, stated for publication that he was in charge of determining what had happened to Hitler and after a thorough investigation his report was: "There was no evidence beyond that of HEARSAY to support the THEORY of Hitler's suicide." He also stated, "On the basis of present evidence, no insurance company in America would pay a claim on Adolph Hitler." Nuremberg judge Michael Mussmanno said in his book "Ten Days to Die," "Russia must accept much of the blame [to the extent that it still exists] that Hitler did not die in May 1945." However, Mussmanno STATED that he interviewed Hitler's personal waiter, his valet, his chauffeur, his two secretaries, pilots, top generals, etc., and they all 'agreed' perfectly that Hitler committed suicide. He said they could not have gotten together afterward and made up a story that agreed in perfect detail without one flaw anywhere, so they must be telling the truth and he was absolutely convinced that Hitler committed suicide.

The story at first sounds convincing, until you realized that they could have memorized a story BEFOREHAND and these were all people who almost WORSHIPPED Hitler. Do witnesses EVER agree "perfectly" in detail in real life? Former Secretary of State Jimmy Byrnes in his book "Frankly Speaking" [as quoted in the April 1948 "The Cross and The Flag"]: "While in Potsdam at the Conference of the Big Four, Stalin left his chair, came over and clinked his liquor glass with mine in a very friendly manner. I said to him: 'Marshal Stalin, what is your theory about the death of Hitler?' Stalin replied: "He is not dead. He escaped either to Spain or Argentina.'" I still have the September, 1948, issue of a magazine called "The Plain Truth" with the headline article: "IS HITLER ALIVE, OR DEAD?," subtitled: "Here is summarized the conclusions of an exhaustive three-year investigation -- together with reasons for believing Hitler may be alive and secretly planning the biggest hoax of all history." Another article in November, 1949, says "The Nazis went underground, May 16, 1943!" and details a meeting at the residence of Krupp von Bohlen-Halbach, the head of I.G. FARBEN, etc., at which they planned "FOR WORLD WAR III." Another article in August, 1952, entitled "HITLER DID NOT DIE," subtitled "Adolph Hitler's fake suicide in his Berlin Bunker now is exposed as History's greatest hoax! Positive evidence comes to light that Hitler did not die -- here's new evidence that Hitler is alive, directing [the] Nazi underground, today!" The June, 1952, issue of "The Plain Truth" is headlined: "HITLER 'May Be Alive!'" The article states: "Now, NEW FACTS, or purported facts, leak out. It's reported now that in 1940 the Nazis started to amass tractors, planes, sledges, gliders, and all sorts of machinery and materials IN THE SOUTH POLAR REGIONS -- that for the next 4 years Nazi technicians built, on an almost unknown CONTINENT, Antarctica, the Fuhrer's SHANGRILA -- a new Berchtesgaden." The report says they scooped out an entire mountain, built a new refuge completely camouflaged -- a magic mountain hide-a-way. The recently discovered continent is larger than Europe -- 5,600 miles from Africa, 1,900 miles from the southern tip of South America, 4,800 miles from Australia.

It is NOT a mere ice-covered surface, but a real continent, with plains, valleys, mountain peaks up to 15,000 feet. The temperature in the interior is around zero (?) in the summer, and never drops below 20 or 30 degrees below in the winter. In other words, it is not as cold as in parts of North Dakota or Canada." (especially underground, where the natural temperature would be in the 50's, even below snow and ice. - Branton) "Bonjour" magazine, the "Police Gazette," and the Paris newspaper "Le Monde" all had articles about Hitler's South Pole hideaway. Admiral Doenitz, in 1943, stated, "The German submarine fleet has even now established an earthly paradise, an impregnable fortress, for the Fuhrer, in whatever part of the world." Although he did not specify where the exact location was, "Bonjour" pointed out that in 1940 Nazi engineers had begun construction of buildings that were to withstand temperatures to 60 degrees below zero. There have been strong rumors, from the end of the War, that Hitler escaped to the South Pole. Yet, most people simply REFUSE to believe the evidence, the idea that Hitler survived the war is just unacceptable! It is too upsetting to too many people! There is plenty of PROOF that the Americans and Russians LIED about what happened to Hitler, and there are strong rumors that he escaped to Antarctica. There is ample proof that a major group of Nazis escaped to Argentina. What do YOU think? Why did Admiral Byrd lead an "invasion to Antarctica," and why the extreme secrecy about the whole situation? In 1981, Donald McKale wrote "Hitler: The Survival Myth" to try to lay to rest the questions about what happened to Hitler. The flyleaf says: "In this book a distinguished historian examines the postwar world's most absorbing and persistent mystery, revealing why it has endured and where the mystery leads" [emphasis mine]. The back flyleaf says "Absolute certainty about what happened still eludes us today."

Just recently on TV there are STILL programs telling "at last, the final, once and for all, this is the real story" about what happened to Hitler, yet they all do not really answer the question. A recent TV program, called "What Really Happened to Adolph Hitler," after investigating numerous stories, ends by saying that, in spite of Glasnost and the new freedom of access to Russian files, the files on Hitler are still some of the most highly classified items of the Soviets. The "Diario Illustrado" of Santiago, Chile, January 18, 1948 issue, said: "On 30th of April, 1945, Berlin was in dissolution but little of that dissolution was evident at Templehof Airfield. At 4:15 p.m. a JU52 landed and S.S. troops directly from Rechlin for the defense of Berlin disembarked, all of them young, not older than 18 years. "The gunner in the particular plane was an engineer by the name of B... whom I had known for a number of years and for whom I had endeavored to get exemption from military service. He sought to tank up and leave Berlin as quickly as possible. During this re-fueling interval Mr. B... was suddenly elbowed in the ribs by his radio operator with a nod to look in a certain direction. "At about 100-120 meters he saw a sleek Messerschmitt Jet Model 332 [an editorial comment says this should be an ARADO 234]. Mr. B.. and the radio operator saw, and WITHOUT ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER, standing in front of the jet, their Commander in Chief, Adolf Hitler, dressed in field-grey uniform and gesticulating animatedly with some Party functionaries, who were obviously seeing him off. "For about ten minutes whilst their plane was being refueled the two men observed this scene and around 4:30 p.m. they took to the air again. They were extremely astonished to hear during the midnight military news bulletin, some seven and a half hours later, that Hitler had committed suicide." On a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation program called "As It Happens," September 17th, 1974 at 7:15 p.m., a Prof. Dr. Ryder Saguenay, oral surgeon from the Dental Faculty of the University of California at Los Angeles, said that Hitler had ordered a special plane to leave from Berlin with all medical and dental records, especially X-rays, of all top Nazis for an unknown destination. He said that the dental records used to identify Hitler's body were drawn from MEMORY by a dental assistant, WHO disappeared and was never found.

An editorial in "Zig Zag," Santiago, Chile, January 16, 1948, STATES that on April 30th, 1945, Flight Captain Peter Baumgart took Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun, as well as a few loyal friends by plane from Tempelhof Airport to Tondern in Denmark [still German controlled]. From Tondern, they took another plane to Kristiansund in Norway [also German controlled]. From there they joined a SUBMARINE convoy. ["U.F.O. Letzte Geheimwaffe des III Reiches," Mattern, pp. 50-51.] The Jewish writer Michael Bar-Zohar in "The Avengers," p. 99, said: "In 1943 Admiral Doenitz had declared: 'The German U-boat fleet is proud to have made an earthly paradise, an impregnable fortress for the Fuhrer, somewhere in the world.' He did not say in what part of the world it existed, but fairly obviously it was in South America." The German writer Mattern said that Admiral Doenitz told a graduating class of naval cadets in Kiel in 1944: "The German Navy has still a great role to play in the future. The German Navy knows all hiding places for the Navy to take the Fuhrer to, should the need arise. There he can prepare his last measures in complete quiet."

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/omegafile18.htm

[paradise_1000]

Did Adolf Hitler and his wife Eva Braun actually fled from Europe? Have Hitler’s and his wife’s suicide been a great fraud? Has humanity been deceived for more than half a century? Did they escape with the help of the Allies? Did they both arrive in Argentina by submarine, where they lived for many years?

Hidden for more than seventy years, in the twenty-first century, and if confirmed officially, Hitler’s escape would be one of the most controversial topics of contemporary history due to the many implications as this secret escape took place under the noses of the world. To prove that this last minute salvage operation, performed so the leader of National Socialism would not die in the hands of the Communist Army, involves an effort from a group of freelance investigators from different countries. Especially because it must confront the pressure coming from the opposing official version, sustained by powerful international economic and political interests. The same exclusive circle of world power, who in 1945, already knew about the fake suicide of the Nazi leader and his wife

The spectacular phenomenon of globalization of information has produced various changes in the last years. This situation was very different during WWII, when it was undoubtedly thought that the Allies, led by the United States, represented the freedom, fought for human rights, moral and positive values of humankind. On the other hand, Adolf Hitler represented evil and embodied the devil himself with his ideology that by all means had to be destructed. This classification, black and white without any shades of grey in between, was the one transmitted and accepted throughout the world. The most destructive conflict in the history of mankind, which generated millions of loses and destruction throughout, developed under these concepts. However, recent events, taking place at the end of the 20th and beginning of 21st centuries, informed on the global information net, allow us to see that this called “truth” about WWII could have been very different in fact. That is, evil was a characteristic that spread its tentacles to the Allies.
Nowadays this is a reality in the international world, one that can be known by the news coming from events happening everywhere. The Iraq conflict brought us both sides, the North American version and the ones transmitted by networks not allied to the American government.

When, for example the world could watch the bombing of Iraqi civilians, events which are generally called collateral damage, or the tortures which Iraqi war prisoners were submitted to by the United States Army, many realized that John Wayne had died, that not always are the bad ones on the other side, and that the United States government, as well as very powerful multinational companies, create wars, by killing, either using weapons or generating extreme poverty, causing an unbalance between nations. Adding the fact that in different nations, leaders are helped to seize power, who not only are despotic but act unlawfully and do not represent their country’s interests whatsoever.
This is not new. Similar situations used to happen, but the big difference is that the world has access to more information, coming from different sources and enlarging the amount, plentiful to form our own opinion.

Years ago the reality was completely different, especially during WWII, when the truth was bent and the lack of sources of information, contrary to what happens nowadays, kept certain situations in the hiding, which half a century later are being brought to light. It is important to know that Hitler came to power as a great admirer of the racist politics of the United States, and urging the Germans to imitate, in this sense the North Americans. During the 20’s, while supporting the Nazi ideology Hitler used to say “By banning the entrance of immigrants affected by infectious-contagious diseases and not allowing certain ethnic races to become citizens, the United States of America partly accept one of the principles that fundaments the racial conception of a National Socialist State.”
While Hitler was in power, before and during the war, he received permanent support from some extreme right-wing sectors from the USA and England. This is a key factor to understand the facts that are told in this work, the bond between Nazis and Anglo-North Americans was stronger of what is actually known.
Every day we have access to new data and evidence that compromises well-known politicians, businessmen and militaries of the world’s most powerful nation.
The world today helps us to understand a different non-official version of history. Upon which this book represents only a small contribution to make the truth known. Had Hitler escaped in 1945, being his fake suicide a fundamental piece, it is unthinkable that this should have happened without the United States support and from very powerful ideological sectors related to the Fuhrer, no matter the country in which the followers of the Nazi regimen were.
This statement, that strikes at the beginning and causes astonishment but rarely causes any indifference, has a logical explanation in the international context registered at the end of WWII.
It was the Russians; that is, the Communist Army, the ones that took Berlin over and headed towards the Bunker were 56-year old Hitler fought against the events, and that by that time, as he clearly knew, were irreversible.
It was the Soviets who could trespass the city’s defenses and finally entered the impenetrable shelter in Berlin to arrest Hitler. At this point of the events, the Nazis had known they were losing the war for a couple of years and given the facts, had prepared an escape plan, the Fuhrer, the great enemy who had seemed invincible at the beginning, had been defeated. But yet he was useful to fight against communism in Europe. This fact was known by the Allies, and Hitler’s assassination would have represented a great loss, if not the biggest loss that could happen of anticommunist leader for a future war against the Soviets. Consequently, the United States, and especially the Anglo-North American right-winged interests, were determined to save Hitler.

A small part of the most important Nazi generals had to be sacrificed, who were trialed and condemned by the Nuremberg Court, but not the ‘Number One’. In this same situation was his wife, Eva Braun, as well as some hierarchs who were never captured.
This explains why Hitler was evacuated, the original plan was conceived by the Nazis, however, it was implemented once Berlin received the green light from Washington.
Hitler and his wife were to be taken to a far away, safe place in the world. That destination was the Patagonia.

When the Soviet officials entered the Bunker, Russian leader, Joseph Stalin immediately asked for a report on the whereabouts of the President of Germany. The first news he received from his generals was definite: the most wanted man had escaped. Stalin informed the United States in the exact same words. This striking piece of first-hand information is even more shocking when the Soviets state that Hitler had fled in a submarine, bound for Spain or Argentina. Everything stated here has been documented, it was even published by newspapers of that time, and whoever wants to question Hitler’s escape must first of all know the facts about the official history, hidden too by official misinformation.
It is clear that at the time, with Stalin’s army in Germany and in many other parts of Europe, that a new world reality was being born, one that led a to rising tension between the Allies and Moscow. To put it into few words, it was capitalism against atheistic communism.
The Nazis rejected Carl Marx’s ideology and differently from the left-winged ideology, allowed the existence of capital and private enterprises. The German economy had a strong state control, but permitted private companies as well as private property. That is why the Third Reich’s ideas were closer to Washington than to Moscow.

Hitler’s salvaged means a triumph over the threatening “red danger”, committed to take over other counties from around the world. He was a guarantee, a precaution. A way of making sure that by keeping him alive he could be useful in the near future. At that time the future that laid ahead was bleak, a WWIII. Russian had to be defeated and had to be sent to Eastern Europe by all possible means. This conflict could have started a few months after the end of WWII. This was already in the plans of the Allies forces. Who could command this combat in Europe against the Soviets?, Who with a single speech could mobilize the entire German Army? Who could make hordes of people rise against Moscow?
Without any doubt the perfect man for this ‘crusade’ was Hitler. And the best ideologically trained army to fight communism was the Nazi.

When Berlin surrenders, on May 8th, 1945, the strategists were looking into the future, the organization of the world, the next conflict at the door, with all that it meant. This explanation about the ‘obligation’ to save Hitler, could not have been understood a few years ago, when the occidental world believed that there was a good side and a bad one. The former led by the USA and grouping countries as well as enterprises and political sectors sharing the same interests, and “good intentions”. The latter were the Nazis. If that would have been the case, Hitler would have had no escape… Yet, nowadays, the truth is unveiled: the good side is not so good after all. It is now known that the cause of the great problems in the world today is originated by strong economical interests, who create and destroy countries, generate wars and kill millions of innocent people.

Maybe it is now, with this completely different panorama, with access to modern communication circuits, that Hitler’s escape is believable and comprehensible. At least it is a debatable topic and not the mere truth imposed by the ones in power who would benefit from it.
It is possible that the ones who criticize this new overlook of the events could do so from a perspective that enlarges the topic, because one thing is for certain, only by confronting ideas does the truth arise, and each day that goes by everything seems to point that this truth is very different from the one we were told.

http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/english/introduction.htm

[tyler]

David Irving is the best and most competant historian of the second world war. No other historian compares.
Here is a recent interview on Norwegian TV about Hitler....

TV2 Tabloid Interview with historian David Irving 2009 05 26 Part 1 - YouTube

[kanz]

Not a chance. He was part of their plan. They financed him.

Food for thought , maybe he didnt know the intentions of the people who where funding him. Maybe he truely thought they where wanting to help his cause , and hitler was just a pawn who got used and abused without knowing it till it was to late.

Not saying its true just a diffrent way to look at it.

[themime]

What does it matter if he died in 45 or 97?

The point is he envisioned a 1000 year Reich so he obviously intended that the ideology of National Socialism would be larger than any one man, including himself. All these people hoping that he survived past 45 because to them it proves Nazism won, embodied in a frail old man fail to see this.

[bealert]

I had read about Hitler being still alive in 97 previously but never seen any images alleging to be him til yesterday.


http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/pic2/hitler-altersheim.jpg

What does everybody think? Looks like him to me......but why is the photo black and white if its supposed to have been taken in 97?

I definitley think there is a lot more to the Hitler tale than we have been told. Whether or not that was him in the assasination photos I don't know and I also read a document stating that the famous bunker was not in Germany but Greece? and that the photos had been faked with his doppelganger.
maybe because most people have never seen Hitler in colour.

[eternal_spirit]

Vladimir Lenin
http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/lenin-corpse.jpg
According to Uncle John (http://www.neatorama.com/2007/08/06/worlds-most-famous-corpse/) (king of bathroom books), more people have seen Lenin’s mummy than any other mummy in history. The man shuffled off this mortal coil in 1924, but to look at him today, hyber-embalmed and lying in an airtight glass coffin in his humidity- and temperature-controlled mausoleum in Red Square, you’d think he kicked it last week. Despite his requests for a modest burial, a few days after his death, a team of Soviet scientists began working to preserve him forever. This “body brigade” has been on the job for 83 years now, giving Lenin a thorough dusting and embalming touch-up twice a week, not to mention a new hand-tailored suit every eighteen months. Lucky stiff.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86085



http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-07/lenin-mausoleum.jpg
Lenin Mausoleum today (Photo: Richard Seaman (http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/Russia/Moscow/Highlights/index.html))
MUMMIFIED FACTS
• Wasted effort. Soviet scientists continued perfecting their embalming techniques until the 1950s … just in time for the death of Joseph Stalin. He, too, was embalmed, then laid to rest alongside Lenin. But that turned out to be a waste of time. Eight years later, Nikita Khrushchev ordered Stalin’s body removed and buried in a more modest grave along the Kremlin wall.
http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-07/stalin-lenin-mummies.jpg
Stalin’s mummy, next to Lenin’s (Photo: Pictorial Parade at Stalin & Soviet Union (http://cidc.library.cornell.edu/dof/sovunion/captioned/mummies.htm)

[white horse]

so, do you ever think maybe hitler was against the regiem of the ILLUMINATI and NWO ?

From what I can gather Hitler was an illuminati puppet...

[fidokrab]

If that picture was real, then it was most likely taken in the 50's or 60's in some other country.

[lewi]

http://ninecents.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/simpsons-hitler.jpg

[white horse]

While Hitler was in power, before and during the war, he received permanent support from some extreme right-wing sectors from the USA and England.
Hitler’s salvaged means a triumph over the threatening “red danger”, committed to take over other counties from around the world. He was a guarantee, a precaution. A way of making sure that by keeping him alive he could be useful in the near future. At that time the future that laid ahead was bleak, a WWIII. Russian had to be defeated and had to be sent to Eastern Europe by all possible means. This conflict could have started a few months after the end of WWII. This was already in the plans of the Allies forces. Who could command this combat in Europe against the Soviets?, Who with a single speech could mobilize the entire German Army? Who could make hordes of people rise against Moscow?
Without any doubt the perfect man for this ‘crusade’ was Hitler. And the best ideologically trained army to fight communism was the Nazi.



Here is an excert from "Yes Prime Minister" by Johnathan Lynn & Antony Jay;

The PM, Jim Hacker, and the Cabinet Secretary, Humphrey Appleby, are discussing foreign affairs and the workings of the Foreign Office. (From the point of view of Hacker's diaries)



[Hacker]

Humphrey would not budge in his approach to the defence of democracy on St George's. He made a couple of scathing references to what he called 'flagwaving and torchbearing'. He argued strenuously that defending democracy is not the priority if it harms British interests by upsetting those whom we wish to have as friends.

I was shocked. This is the voice of the people who appeased hitler. The same Foreign Office, in fact, now I come to think of it.

But to my complete and total open-mouthed astonishment Humphrey defended the appeasers. 'They were right. All we achieved after six years of war was to leave Eastern Europe under a Communist dictatorship instead of a Fascist dictatorship. At a cost of millions of lives and the ruination of the country. That's what comes of not listening to the Foreign Office.'

I think that this is one of the most shocking things Humphrey has ever said. I mean, he may be right, but it strikes at everything that we hold dear.



Always thought his aptly summed the whole West attitude to Hitler and the Nazis, which is totally contrary to what we are taught in school.

[entrangermercenary]

I had read about Hitler being still alive in 97 previously but never seen any images alleging to be him til yesterday.


http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/pic2/hitler-altersheim.jpg

What does everybody think? Looks like him to me......but why is the photo black and white if its supposed to have been taken in 97?

I definitley think there is a lot more to the Hitler tale than we have been told. Whether or not that was him in the assasination photos I don't know and I also read a document stating that the famous bunker was not in Germany but Greece? and that the photos had been faked with his doppelganger.

fUCKING FAKE. Easy to spot as he has no IRON CROSS around his neck :rolleyes:

[rodin]

Hitler was born in 1889. By 1945, he was 56 years old and in very poor health and taking many medications. Most likely he was addicted to some of them too. He was mentally and physically ravaged by that time. His stresses and illness made him look well older than 56, according to those who were close to him then. Even if he did escape the bunker, he couldn't have lived long.

Interesting

Maybe slow poisoned like Ataturk, Stalin etc