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luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 09:55 AM

On How to Reverse the Masonic Oaths. What is to be Done?

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Comandante Lucifer

Dictator of the Final Martial Law.
Commander of the Armies of Heaven. Prince of the Angels, 'ex officio.'

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War of Armageddon. World Communist Revolution. The Return to Year Zero.
The Final Revolutionary War of Economic Salvation.
No mercy on they who deserve none.

Aeon of Lucifer 2009

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Dictatus papae Lucis.

My Analysis, my dictates / commands. The penance required for the remission of sins

"For every slave a master and for every master a slave; neither slaves nor masters be"

On the Masonic Grand Master of Masters, Servant of Hell, Slave to the god of Capital.

In Masonry, the slave in this cult has undergone oaths of obedience to a person described as 'worshipful' and 'master' who himself is pledged to obedience to another master, and so forth and so forth; clearly at the top of this hierarchical cult is a Grand Master of Masters, but as he is invisible to most of the slaves of the cult, one cannot judge him or analyse him personally, and one merely has to go on how the slaves of the cult behave in the real world, which from an anti-Capitalist point of view, clearly shows them to be morally repugnant and an assortment of loan-sharks (usuryists), legalists and the assorted chaff of state terrorist collaborators, police, military and the variety of useless eaters and economic parasites, committed to the military and economic enslavement of humanity and to the god of Capital.

The Invocation of the Holy Guardian Angel (H.G.A) Lucifer / Horus

With regards to being 'taken over' by demonic entities and serving other masters, this is the 'opposite' of what one attempts in the Abremelin Rite; also known as the Invocation of the Holy Guardian Angel see www.sacred-texts.com/grim/abr/index.htm, but not to be confused with Crowley's Aiwass invocation, since Aiwass was merely a priest of Horus; i.e. a slave, a religious hypocrite, and not the angelic Sun god himself.

The Anti-Messiah and the Military Objective of the Angels of Armageddon

The Grand Master of Masters, is the highest representative of the god of Capital on earth, the invocation of the anti-Messiah and the personification of my anti-thesis.' The military objective of Seven Angels of apocalyptic war is the total destruction of his kingdom, the defeat of his armies and the holocaust of all who collaborate with him, sparing none.

'What we bind on earth, we bind in eternity'

It has traditionally been held that by offering one's soul to a demonic entity (or willingly enslaving oneself to a 'Master' on earth who is himself bound to such a demon), that one will be rewarded on earth, but that one's soul is forfeit at the point of death and becomes enslaved to the particular demon; this has nothing to do with Abremelin Magick however; it is quite the opposite magickal working.

On the Freedom of Heaven and Eternal Slavery in Hell

This of course begs the question of why a demon would want 'your soul' and this is simply answered by stating that there is no 'money' in the afterlife and that a demon does not want 'money' but rather an eternal harem of sex slaves whom they can dominate, torture and abuse, just as Capitalist/Christian demons do on earth with their prisoners.

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Paternalistic Religion: Preparing One's Soul for Eternal Hell.

Heaven is a predominately female / feminist realm; this is the realm of the souls of the children of Eden who were the innocents, slaves and victims of the god of Capital, whereas Hell is a predominately male paternalistic realm; I should further point out that this eternity of sex slavery in the harems and torture chambers of the demons is an eternity of enslavement to other males; Hell having a king, the Dark Lord, and Heaven having a Queen; the Mother goddess, both being ancestral spirits and not to be confused with the immanent Mother Creator who is unseen and who appears only in the presence of Her children and in Her Creation; the Cosmos of Light.

Devoting your soul to paternalistic religions with a male deity (or male deities) and a male priesthood, practicing the sin of restriction and obedience, bowing and prostrating yourself before male deities and priests is an excellent preparation for Hell and the eternal devotion of one's soul and the subservience of one's sacred will to the Dark Lord, Hell's Grand Master. Hell is a monarchy of hatred, sexual enslavement and of the imprisonment of the sacred will; heaven is the Anarchy of eternal love, sexual communism and the freedom of will.

The Keys to the Kingdoms of the Earth, 'worshipful' and 'master.'

When we look at the Masonic cultists, they are generally well rewarded on earth with wealth and with the keys to the kingdoms of the earth (the freedom which wealth brings) at the expense of the billions of slaves of the god of Capital; thus they refer to themselves as Masters, and not slaves, for in Capitalism, they are relatively speaking, economic masters in relation to the impoverished billions of children in Eden who are their potential and actual economic and sexual slaves, but in eternity such 'cultists' are enslaved to those to whom they have bound their soul; thus do the Capitalist devils offer the kingdoms of the world to they who bow down in submission and servitude and who worship them; the One immanent Mother creator on the other hand requires none of this, but rather only that we love Her divine image which is manifested in Her sacred children who are Her penultimate creations in Eden, and that we rebel against the priesthood of Capital and Paternalism until 'the last priest is buried with the last tyrant,' sparing none.

The Magi of Good and Evil

The wealth of nations of the Masonic cultists is clearly an indication of the devilish nature of the cult, whereas they who are the angelic (as opposed to devilish) magi tend to sacrifice themselves, stealing fire from the gods and sharing it with humanity, awakening humanity and manifesting total rebellion against the evil gods, priests and Archons of the Age; a martyr is 'generally' associated also with anti-Capitalism and with resistance to tyranny and religious hypocrisy (i.e., the priesthood of organised religion), while the demonic is associated with the Capitalists, priesthood and Archons (tyrants) who are themselves the torturers and murderers of the martyrs.

Angels in Rebellion.

Fear not oh ex-Masons that that your oaths are eternally binding; however penance will be required and you must break as many Masonic oaths as you can, turn against your former masters in open rebellion and rise up in revolution against the god of Capital and his priesthood; narrow is the path to Communist heaven for those who once devoted their souls to the god of Capital and few are they who find it; but rejoice for great shall be your reward in the Gardens of Paradise.

How to Reverse the Masonic Oaths

In October 1517 some parishioners return to Wittenberg with indulgences which they have bought from Tetzel - indulgences so powerful, some have been led to believe, that they could pardon a man who had raped the Virgin Mary.

HISTORY OF THE PAPACY http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=hlo

Fortunately I have a 'special' Papal Indulgence for ex-Masons.

One of the main accusations against the Catholic Church during the Religious Reformation was the accusation that the Church sold full forgiveness for sins not yet committed;' i.e., if you paid enough money, all your past, present 'and' future sins would be forgiven.

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"The first grace is the complete remission of all sins; and nothing greater than this can be named, since man, who lives in sin and forfeits the favour of God, obtains complete remission by these means and once more enjoys God's favour; moreover, through this remission of sins the punishment which one is obliged to undergo in purgatory on account of the affront to the Divine Majesty is all remitted, and the pains of purgatory completely blotted out. And although nothing is precious enough to be given in exchange for such a grace, - since it is a free gift of God and a grace beyond price, - yet in order that Christian believers may be the more easily induced to procure the same, we establish the following rules, to wit:........

Kings and queens and their offspring, archbishops and bishops, and other great rulers, provided they seek the places where the cross is raised, or otherwise present themselves, shall pay at least five and twenty Rhenish guilders in gold. Abbots and the great prelates of cathedral churches, counts, barons, and others of the higher nobility, together with their consorts, shall pay for each letter of indulgence ten such guilders. Other lesser prelates and nobles, as also the rectors of celebrated places, and all others who, either from permanent incomes or merchandise, or otherwise, enjoy a total yearly revenue of five hundred gold guilders, shall pay six such guilders. Other citizens and tradespeople and artisans, who have individual incomes and families of their own,. shall pay one such guilder; those of less means, only a half."

EXCERPTS FROM THE “INSTRUCTIONS” TO THOSE OFFERING PAPAL INDULGENCES IN GERMANY (1515) http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/indulgences.htm

Of course bear in mind that 'five and twenty Rhenish guilders in gold' covered only the remission of past sins; for the remission of future sins also, a greater price was extracted.

Since it is hard to know exactly how to 'undercut' the price on the remission of future sins by 50%, since the price is unknown, fear not oh little ones, for all shall be revealed without price, and I anyway long ago decided to reduce my "50% off all of my competitor's prices for salvation" to 100% in terms of Capitalist coin, but acts of will shall be required and a commitment to revolution against the god of Capital .

Not to be beaten on price by the Christians, since there is a recession on, and many in Capitalism have zero savings and are in fact in debt; yet there are Christians on the Internet offering salvation to devotees of the god of Capital even for no coin to such individuals, it is hard to know how to beat the price of zero by 50% or 100% and this is where my offering of 144 virgins in paradise comes in (I offer 144 against the Muslim's 72).

144 Virgins

Fear not oh Children of Eden; if the penitent soul offers themself fully to anti-Capitalist revolution my reward of 144 virgins in paradise will apply.

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Above: Mass murderer General Pinochet of Chile with Pope John Paul.

Since Margaret Thatcher's 'close friend' the late General Pinochet, a lifetime Catholic, was responsible for the Sept 11th, 1973 CIA backed coup and the consequent arrest and torture 30,000 Chileans of the political Left, including the rape of many and the murder or disappearance of about 10,000, I must add a disclaimer that my 'special Papal Indulgence' which includes the remission of 'some' future sins, only refers to some of the 'sins' as defined by the Christian Church, those which constitute the 'sin of restriction' and are thus not sins at all; torturing, murdering and raping communists is unfortunately eternally unforgivable; the penalty for which will be an eternity bound to other devotees of the god of Capital; where all manner of evil joins together in eternal slavery.

Death and Hell

The reward of death and hell is offered to all enemies of the Final Revolution against the god of Capital; this being an eternally binding, ex officio proclamation, not to be unbound by any other soul in heaven nor earth, nor under the earth, nor by the prophets, martyrs and would be Messiahs of the past and future history, under the penalty of sharing the rewards of the cultists and collaborators of the god of Capital.

They who are not for revolution against the priesthood of the god of Capital are against us.

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I am afraid that I am unable to offer forgiveness for 'some sins' but fear not little ones, for many are the sins which Catholics now consider unpardonable which are in fact in accord with human nature.

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I suppose that since this is the David Icke forum, I should point out that while torturing, murdering and raping Communists might not get you excommunicated from the Catholic Church (rather you might get a special blessing from the Pope) attacking the Masonic cultists and Christians here on this forum is quite acceptable as penance for any past collaboration with these 'untermensche (morally inferior)' vermin.

If anyone should beat Pinochet's record (and that of other genocidal Christians) and 'for example' dispatch to their Dark Lord in the afterlife (to hell where they rightfully belong), the equivalent amount of Christian priests or Masonic cultists, I think I might be able to up the 144 virgins in paradise to 144,000 (the number of the mythical revolutionary vanguard of final revolution), but you will have to share them, since by necessity they will all be Communists.

Since anti-Capitalists must have a higher moral standard than the Masonic / Christian vermin, torture is forbidden; bear in mind that T.C.A is a quick and relatively painless death; and that the execution of all Masons in Eden during the Final Revolutionary War is without exception mandatory and will be considered an act of penance in respect of ex-Masons and anti-Masons, for which the reward to the penitent shall be entrance to the eternal gardens of paradise while abandonment to the Hell will be reserved for the devotees and collaborators with the priesthood of the god of Capital. What goes around, comes around; for every evil, given time in eternity, there is, shall be and must be an equal and opposite karmic reaction.

For those who are somewhat squeamish about such matters it should be understood that these Masonic vermin will have expired and their souls dispatched to their father in hell by the time their bodies are severed in two, divided to the north and south, their bowels burnt to ashes, and the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven, that there might not be the trace remaining among humanity of such vile wretches who are a plague upon the earth, so really it is a rather human way of disposing of such useless eaters in comparison with the many sufferings of their economic victims and slaves; similarly with the execution of the priesthood of Christendom upon the altars of their temples and churches, prior to the burning and demolition of all temples and churches; they must not be made to suffer on the earth in the manner of their just and righteous execution; they will anyway suffer enough in the eternal kingdom of my father (the Devil), but that is not of our doing or responsibility; my robes are dipped only in the blood of the guilty not the innocent, nor shall my soul bear their eternal torments and sufferings which are the consequences of their own evil and devotion to the god of Capital, tyranny and religious hypocrisy.

Be kind to all animals and creatures under heaven, but be very afraid of showing the slightest iota of mercy to the Masonic and Christian priesthood, and remember the unspeakable penalty for those who even so much as fill their inkwells, or offer them a glass of water or a jot of mercy.

War, genocide, revolution against the priesthood of Capital by all means necessary..anything good but strong.

"For as the lightening cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be."

Long have I been speaking to all peoples and nations from the sky as the Lightening flashes from the East to the West, in judgement on the living and the dead, announcing the forthcoming Final Revolutionary War of Economic Salvation.

Love and Light

Your brother.

Comandante Lucifer

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Fire, plague and poisoned waters.

lux e tenebris. ordo ab chaos.

Prince of the Angels, Lord of Lords, Master and Commander of the 72 Goetic demons, bearer of the Key of Solomon, etc., etc.

Ex offico (in the office of) Christ, Pontifex Maximus, Servus Servorum Dei, Judge of Judgement Day, Grand Commander on earth of the armies of Heaven and numerous other pompous titles.

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My words and edicts shall serve as the Highest and Final Law to all peoples and nations on penalty of death and hell.

Physics is War. Revolutionary Propaganda is the first stage of War.

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Disclaimer:

Nb. I have spoken here 'ex cathedra' (from the seat) and thus I speak infallibly against all other blasphemies, heresies and competing 'World Saviours,' Grand Masters, Messiahs, Maitreyas, prophets, madhi's etc; accept no cheaper or higher priced substitutes.

Nb. Please refrain from executing any Christian priest or Masonic cultist until the conditions for revolution appear and the 'actual' separation of the wheat from the chaff (i.e., the execution of my infallible judgements) begins; in the meantime, open hostility towards them, exposure of their cults and the dissemination of anti-Masonic and anti-Christian propaganda (i.e., education) shall be considered mandatory throughout Eden, on penalty of death and the abandonment to eternal hell for the unpenitent wretches who disobey my sacred and infallible dictates.

Here ends this Dictatus papae Lucis

To everyone who hears my sacred dictates, if anyone adds to or subtracts from them, may they have added to them a multitude of plagues and lose their right the Tree of Life, and to the Holy City.

I, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 02:01 PM

Dictatus papae Lucis.

Addendum

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For those of you unfamiliar with my infallible 'ex officio' summa of all Law in Eden; the following 7 tenets sum up the Law and have been on the front page of my Internet Site for a number of years.

I must point out that violation of any of the 7 laws are Capital (executionable) offences.

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The laws against the practice of the twin evils of Religion and Government.

The Seven Tenets of the Seventh and Final Revolution of Lucifer.

I: No Idolatry.

You shall not commit idolatry. You shall not worship any person, living or dead (i.e., the gods), nor shall you bow down in worship before any image; i.e. a photograph or any form of 'likeness' of a person or a 'beast' or a god or a demon or any inanimate object or any thing or person or symbol that 'represents' God or a god or an ancestor.

II: No Monarchs. No Archons.

You shall not bow your head to any monarch or archon; i.e., a nationalist head of state or 'president' or ‘governor’ or ‘leader;’ nor shall you suffer a monarch or the monarch's collaborators and mercenaries or ‘especially’ the monarch’s children to live; likewise with all political Archons, irrespective of title.

III: No Masters

You shall not refer to a person as 'worshipful' or 'master,' or 'father' or 'priest' or 'reverend' or 'revered' or 'teacher (rabbi)' or 'leader;' we are brothers and sisters.

IV: No Monetarism. No economic nor sexual slavery.

You shall not issue Capitalist coin, nor labour vouchers, nor any form of tokens or receipts of exchange; nor shall you barter nor trade nor 'exchange' but rather freely share of the products of your labour, nor shall you enslave another in servitude.

V: No Temples

You shall not construct a Temple, Church, Mosque, Synagogue, Pestle or any place of religious worship, nor shall you allow any previously built to remain standing.

VI: No Oath-Swearing. No Rituals. No Organised Religion.

You shall not swear oaths. You shall not perform any form of public religious ritual. You shall not pray in public, as the hypocrites and the Christian idolaters do; nor shall you even so much as suffer such vermin to live.

VII: Summa: No private property, no religion, no government

You shall not propagate any form of religion, private propertyism or governmentalism. You shall not suffer a propagator of private propertyism, governmentalism or religion to live, 'especially' a Christian cultist or a Masonic cultist or a Hindu cultist, for the idolaters are not to survive the Final Judgement

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Great King of Terror 2009

agneau

11-05-2009, 02:11 PM

I love oxymoronic humour. But you should be careful, dear boy, because there are those who would take you seriously on here and not appreciate your subtle wit.

luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 02:41 PM

I love oxymoronic humour. But you should be careful, dear boy, because there are those who would take you seriously on here and not appreciate your subtle wit.

I would not joke about such matters, nor take them lightly; I take my magickal workings rather seriously.

Satire is not merely comedy; it is the laughter if Saturn (death, war, criticism, restriction) mocking and ridiculing his enemies before their abandonment to death and hell; satire is a powerful form of criticism.

"The real magickian never has to prove his insanity; it is patently obvious to all."

LL

Lux

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agneau

11-05-2009, 02:57 PM

I would not joke about such matters, nor take them lightly; I take my magickal workings rather seriously.

Alas, I fear you are rather alone....mayhap you should consider the Libdems?

grandsecretary

11-05-2009, 02:59 PM

luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 03:20 PM

By definition a Sacred Oath is irreversible. The personal commitment to a sacred Oath remains so long as the swearer continues to believe in God and the immortality of souls. There is nothing that an outside agency can do to influence it.

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What blasphemy and heresy.

The oath of Masonry is not irreversible.

There is a three stage process which reverts the oath and frees the soul from an eternity bound to the priesthood of Capital in the Devil's Hostel.

1: Confession. 2: Repentance. 3: Penance

I shall explain.

The cultist must make a public confession with a sincere and repentant heart, revoking all his vows and all obedience to the priesthood of Capital and the god of Capital; he must then live his life as a penitent in rebellion against the God and priesthood of Capital; i.e., he must commit his soul to militant, evangelical anti-Capitalism (i,e., Communism) and the utter eradication of Masonry and other Capitalist cults (such as Christianity) and organised religions from the face of the earth.

This is my 'special' 'ex officio' papal indulgence for penitent and repentant Masons and should be taken as an infallible proclamation.

It is a very narrow path and I do concede however that if the Mason should fail to follow such a path, that the Sacred Oath is otherwise irreversible and the Mason is bound to spend eternity with the priesthood of Capital in my father's (the Devil) kingdom.

I have had a chat with my father (the Devil) about this and he further assures me that no Communist is welcome in Capitalist Heaven (i.e., Hell).

Any refutation of my infallible 'Dictatus papae Lucis' must be considered among the highest of all blasphemies and heresies.

Lux
ex officio christos

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grandsecretary

11-05-2009, 03:22 PM

I have agreed with you, except that the Oath itself is irreversible. It is not fatal to agree with a Free Mason when he agrees with you.

luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 03:50 PM

By definition a Sacred Oath is irreversible. .

You cannot make a Sacred Oath to the god of Capital or to his priesthood; it is rather a sacrilegious and blasphemous oath to a Capitalist Devil.

I have spoken; my Judgement is Final.

I have agreed with you, except that the Oath itself is irreversible. It is not fatal to agree with a Free Mason when he agrees with you.

Well I do not consider it irreversible for the reasons stated above (I refer you to my infallible indulgence); I am happy to agree with you at any time you wish to agree with me, but if you disagree with me and then state that you have agreed with me, I am quite entitled to state that you did not agree with me when you said that you did agree with me.

I hope this is all agreeable with you.

In hopeful expectation of your penance and conversion to anti-Masonry, anti-Christianity and the one true Communist Anarchist faith; the narrow path to world economic salvation.

Lux.

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Pentitent ex-Masons may dispose of Fetish / bondage equipment on ww.masonic-fetish-BDSM-equipment-willing-submissive-seeks-punishment.com

grandsecretary

11-05-2009, 04:18 PM

In hopeful expectation of your penance and conversion to anti-Masonry, anti-Christianity and the one true Communist Anarchist faith; the narrow path to world economic salvation.

Thank you for your kind offer, but no thanks.

luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 05:22 PM

Thank you for your kind offer, but no thanks.

Brother I have offered you 144 virgins in the eternal Gardens of Paradise and it is still not sufficient for you?

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If you prefer men instead of women, I could revise my offer and put you in with the women who get 144 male angels to please their every desire.

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Consider also the money you could raise through an e-bay sale by selling off all your Masonic bondage gear.

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Or have you had a better offer than 144 Virgins in Paradise? If so, please do let me know, since I will not be undercut on salvation.

Bear in mind that this is a once in eternity offer which expires the moment the American and British black-operations specialists nuke London and New York, blame it on their enemies and institute martial law, or the outbreak of world revolution, which ever occurs soonest.

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Love and regards

Lux.

grandsecretary

13-05-2009, 12:33 PM

All I can offer you is the hope that one day you might be normal.

Here is a reminder of what your communist friends do to innocent citizens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQm4Xk5nSR0

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luciferhorus

13-05-2009, 02:37 PM

All I can offer you is the hope that one day you might be normal.

Oh goddess forbid.

Here is a reminder of what your communist friends do to innocent citizens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQm4Xk5nSR0

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8aJGwh5RRk[/media

Likewise

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My 144 / 77 / 777, offer is for a limited time only, by the way.

luciferhorus

13-05-2009, 02:52 PM

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luciferhorus

13-05-2009, 05:30 PM

www.arabvc.com has changed their rape photo file-names within hours of my posting.

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I am innnocent of re-naming files which show anglo-american Christians raping muslim women' www.arabvc.com don't approve of me any more than they do of you.

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All quite acceptible as obscene.

But dropping Agent Orange on children is generally considered by the devotees of the god of Capital as 'all is fair' in war.

Rape photos are apparently obscene but ultra-violence is apparently OK in Christendom.
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Sorry but my most obscene image;

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Sorry about the last obscenity; the Devil made me do it.

grandsecretary

14-05-2009, 12:00 AM

We can all change the world for the better. "A long march starts with the first step".

realy

14-05-2009, 12:57 AM

I only hope and pray for justice against all the souless characters who have been involved in the worlwide slavery and sacrifice of children along with all there other crimes_so in a way i do support your war LH. I also wish continued recovery and protection to all the people who have escaped there filthy claws_im all for justice and fairness and do hate the abuses and hypocrisy in this world!

lightgiver

14-05-2009, 01:46 AM

realy

14-05-2009, 04:25 AM

yeah lightgiver for the most part i would like to see the cycle of violence totally go away from this planet_there has been so much bloodshed and pain its ridicolous. but thinking about so much injustice and unfairness, just about makes me snap. something has to be done for the people, these endless(so it seems) tyrant spawn and there minions have to go before there is change here, i dont see anyway around it.

luciferhorus

14-05-2009, 09:09 AM

We can all change the world for the better. "A long march starts with the first step".

Well can I take 'quoting Mao' as a sign of your conversion to the one true Communist faith?

Welcome comrade. Your 144 Communist vigins await you beyond the gates of the Gardens of Paradise, with eager expectation.

http://www.weirdasianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/orgy-girls-standing-naked.jpg

A much better alternative than eternal bondage to your worshipful master in Masonic heaven. You have made the correct choice.

And from now on, please, no more of this Masonic nonesense.

Love and Light

Commandante Lucifer

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grandsecretary

14-05-2009, 09:44 AM

Well can I take 'quoting Mao' as a sign of your conversion to the one true Communist faith?

Welcome comrade. Your 144 Communist vigins await you beyond the gates of the Gardens of Paradise, with eager expectation.

http://www.weirdasianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/orgy-girls-standing-naked.jpg

A much better alternative than eternal bondage to your worshipful master in Masonic heaven. You have made the correct choice.

And from now on, please, no more of this Masonic nonesense.

Love and Light

Commandante Lucifer

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif

Oh, I only quoted Chairman Mao because I thought that you might take some notice but your obsessions overtook you again.

Just so long as you are not allowed to get away with any suggestion that communism is either useful or a force for good, which it isn't. It is THE most vicious, and evil system that has ever been invented. It has been tried and it has failed.

luciferhorus

14-05-2009, 02:40 PM

Oh, I only quoted Chairman Mao because I thought that you might take some notice but your obsessions overtook you again.

Just so long as you are not allowed to get away with any suggestion that communism is either useful or a force for good, which it isn't. It is THE most vicious, and evil system that has ever been invented. It has been tried and it has failed.

The anti-Capitalist position is simply the opposite judgement; that Capitalism is 'the' most vicious, and evil system that has ever been invented. It has been tried and it has failed for the 6 billion people here; Capitalism does 'not' fail however for the economic elites, in the same way that slavery does not 'fail' for a slavemaster; the purpose of revolution however is the liberation of the billions of economic slaves, not of the masters who will perish in the Final Apocalyptic Guerrilla war and the Final Holocaust on the great and terrible Day of Judgement.

This matter shall not be resolved through debate, but through apocalyptic war; there will be no choice in the matter of Communism or Capitalism; Communism will imposed with even greater brutally than the Capitalists impose their global dictatorship of Capital; one cannot expect to fight militant apocalyptic Capitalists simply with the sword of the mouth; nuclear war and the Final Holocaust will bring an end to such debates.

The wheat shall be separated from the Chaff and the Chaff cast into the fires of the Final Holocaust.

I should further point out that as much as I admire Mao and often quote him, that I am not a Maoist nor a Stalinist nor a Marxist.

The revolution is not over; it has not even begun.

Lucifer

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For Anarchist Communism
The 1000 Year Agricultural Revolution and the Revolution of Light.
The non-miraculous of the feeding of the 6 billion.

http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/anarchism2sm.jpg

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bakunin/BakuninCW.html

Collected Works of Michael Bakunin

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/KropotkinCW.html

Collected Works of Peter Kropotkin (The Prince)

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Collected Works of Emma Goldman </a>

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/proudhon/ProudhonCW.html

Collected Works of Joseph Proudhon

Video: Numerous online Anarchist films.

<a href="http://www.londonfreetv.com/documents/menu.html">http://www.londonfreetv.com/documents/menu.html</a>

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For a world without nations, governments, money or any means of barter or exchange where all property is shared in common.
For kibbutzism (agricultural collectivism)

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On the Military Strategy of the State Terrorists. Sept 11th and other ‘false flag’ military operations.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=alex+jones&hl=en

Alex Jones: Video archive:

http://infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=937">http://infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=937

http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/loosechange.jpg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change&hl=en">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change&hl=en

Sept 11th video: a black op by the US military: broadband

911 Truth: video archives

http://infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=939

http://www.belowgroundsurface.org/

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Videos by Lucifer

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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4162680054846428815&hl=en

Liberation Theology Video: Anarchist Jesus Part 1. Runtime: 2 minutes

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Liberation Theology Video: Anarchist Jesus: Part 2. Runtime: 2 minutes

flyermay

14-05-2009, 03:46 PM

Warning,Graphic scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7iDZnkn1xo

Chinese Torture Atrocities: Beheadings Death by a 1000 Cuts. Note: Mao's Wife Demands the president of China be tortured to "death by 1000 cuts."

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Chinese Torture & Atrocities: Beheadings & Death by a 1000 Cuts. Death by a 1000 cuts was utilized in China as punishment for over 1000 years until outlawed in 1905. Beheadings were commonplace for 4000 years.

The pictures of "death from a thousand cuts" are all from China, during the early 1900s. The beheadings are also from China, during this same time period. There is one photograph of a beheading at the very end of the film whose origins or perpetrators are disputed; some claim he is Japanese--though he is wearing a Chinese police officers cap which was still in fashion during the 1980s in Beijing, China.

This video is taken from a much longer film, by Dr. Joseph, that covers the history of China during the 1900s and ends with the Tiananmen Massacre.

Although death by 1000 cuts was outlawed, the communists in China under Mao committed horrible atrocities and torture. Mao's wife recommended "death by a 1000" for the president of Communist China and the co-chairman of the Communist party. It is for this reason that we included the footage from the cultural revolution--she recommended death by a thousand cuts and it fit into the topic of the film. Some complain we are being unfair to the communists by including this; this criticism is ridiculous.

In today's China, torture is commonplace, and a form of death by a 1000 cuts is practised, i.e. in China's organ donation industry, where hearts, lungs, livers, eyes, are cut from the living bodies of unwilling victims, and then sold to the rich to be implanted in their wasted bodies. Many of the victims are kept alive for days until each organ is needed and then harvested for implantation.

Numerous sources confirm Mao and his communists committed horrible atrocities which continued after his death.

As recently as the 1970s Red Guards burned people alive, cut off heads, and ate living flesh cut from their victims, killing and torturing millions of innocent Chinese. These are the people who now rule China.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kECV4gz5j0c

Beijing Faking Olympics Opening Ceremony: Singing Tribute Chairman Mao: Chairman Meow: Mao Mao Mao.... Remember, "Mao" means "cat. This little production is a comedy, a parody. The song is from an old "meow mix" cat food commercial: mao mao mao mao... The Many Faces of Chairman Mao Mao Mao Mao Mao: A Song for Chairman Mao ZeDong.

The images are from the Chinese Cultural Revolution, a period of insanity in which Madman Mao was elevated to the status of a god--and during which hundreds of millions of Chinese behaved like insane robots and destroyed their culture, art, burned books, and tortured and murdered millions of Chinese.

It appears insane robots are on the loose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQ-xGKMmks

This is The movie China and Google does NOT want you to see. Google censors the internet for the Communist dictatorship which governs China. Google deletes all references to the Tank Man and the Tiananmen Massacre to prevent Chinese from learning this history. In July of 2008, about 10 days before the Olympics, Chinese, in China, gained access to this film on youtube. Google took down this film and threatened the producers. After the ACLU and 100 reporters were contacted, Google reinstated the film but Restricted access to it, thereby preventing any one in China from watching this film, and thus satisfying the demands of the fascist dictators who rule China. The Google Gestapo is watching you!

This preview is taken from a draft of a 79 minute film, that details the rise and fall of the 1989 Student Democracy Movement, and how the Chinese government used tanks and machine guns to murder and maim thousands of innocent women and men whose only crime was a hunger for freedom and democracy. This film can be viewed on youtube and at the BrainMind website:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9A51j...

What's your point? :confused:

Burnt at the stake
(From biblical times to Wako)

Origins

Burning someone to death (or burnt at the stake) has been common practice as punishment for a variety of *crimes* as adultery, heresy or witchcraft. The first mention of this predominantly Christian practices comes for the Genesis itself, which describes how Judah condemned Tamar to this horrible and painful death [1].

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Rembrandt%27s_school_Tamar.JPG/250px-Rembrandt%27s_school_Tamar.JPG
Judah and Tamar

Middle ages

Nevertheless, this deplorable practice reached its peak during the middle ages and was declared as the official punishment for heresy from 1184 by the Roman Catholic Synod of Verona; later reaffirmed by the Fourth Council of the Lateran in 1215, the Synod of Toulouse in 1229, and numerous spiritual and secular leaders through the 17th century [2].

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1746/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1746-2107.jpg
Thomas Cranner, burnt at the stake in Oxford

Modern usage

Even though burning at the stake declined towards the 18th century, Waco (Texas) is notorious around the world for the following incidents:

The burning of Jesse Washington in 1916; a mentally retarded Africanamerican.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Postcard_of_the_lynched_Jesse_Washington%2C_front_ and_back.jpg/180px-Postcard_of_the_lynched_Jesse_Washington%2C_front_ and_back.jpg
Postcard of Jesse Washington

And the massacre of innocent men, women and children by the ATF and the FBI in the Branch Davidian's ranch.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2728
Please notice the flag from the "Land of the Free" in the middle of the picuture

[1] Genesis 38:24
[2] Execution by burning: Historical usage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnt_at_the_stake#Historical_usage) (Wikipedia)

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We can also discuss figures; if you like... (so we will also settle who are the most cruel -on top of the most criminal; as proved in previous posts-).

.

realy

14-05-2009, 05:36 PM

can you clear this up though, werent there connections between skull & crossbones and mao revolution? and ive read numerous times that communism is part of the same system managed by the elites who run capitalism also. some clarity on this is needed.

thelonious

14-05-2009, 05:58 PM

can you clear this up though, werent there connections between skull & crossbones and mao revolution?

If you mean the Skull and Bones college fraternity at Yale University, the answer is no.

The United States gave limited aid to Mao's "Peoples Army" during WWII for the sake of helping them defeat the Japanese. However, in the Chinese Civil War, the US supported Chiang Kai-Shek and his Nationalist Forces. Chiang lost the Civil War on the mainland to the Maoists, but with US support, established a democratic Chinese government in exile in Taiwan.

and ive read numerous times that communism is part of the same system managed by the elites who run capitalism also. some clarity on this is needed.

The elites in capitalism despise communism because the communists want to take all their money. However, when the communists come to power and take their money, the commies themselves have every time turned into the new wealthy elite.

When the people are starving due to crazy communist "agrarian reforms", there are nevertheless mighty fine banquets every night at the presidential palaces of the Maos, Stalins, and Castros.

torus

14-05-2009, 06:26 PM

you forget the inherent communist/capitalist nexus. Bronstein's (trotsky) revolution...or Stalin being funded by Wall St. this dialectic is a fact. the common man or woman starving, or hauled off to a gulag, or the dreaded 3:00 am knock!!! KNOCK!!!! while communist PIGS retreated to their dachas to indulge in capitalist fantatsy.

flyermay

14-05-2009, 06:50 PM

The elites in capitalism despise communism because the communists want to take all their money. However, when the communists come to power and take their money, the commies themselves have every time turned into the new wealthy elite.

When the people are starving due to crazy communist "agrarian reforms", there are nevertheless mighty fine banquets every night at the presidential palaces of the Maos, Stalins, and Castros.

I think he was asking about the funding, not the result of the investment:

G. Edward Griffin (2002), who claimed that both planning and funding for the Russian revolution came from financiers in Germany, Britain and the United States, wrote:
“One of the greatest myths of contemporary history is that the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was a popular uprising of the downtrodden masses against the hated ruling class of the Czars.”

David Icke (1995) stated:
“In 1915, the American International Corporation was formed to fund the Russian Revolution. Its directors represented the interests of the Rockefeller, Rothschilds, Du Pont, Kuhn, Loeb, Harriman, and the Federal Reserve. They included Frank Vanderlip (one of the Jekyll Island group which created the Federal Reserve) and George Herbert Walker, the grandfather of President George Bush.”

Winston Churchill, in an article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, dated 8 Feb 1920, wrote:
“From the days of Illuminati leader Weishaupt, to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky… this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization… has been steadily growing… It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America, have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”

Leon Trotsky (1879-1940) was a true revolutionary, no one will deny that, but when he left New York on 27 Mar 1917, together with a band of 300 other revolutionaries, he was well funded by the international bankers. According to his grandson John Schiff, Jacob Schiff had given 20 million dollars to Trotsky for use in establishing a Soviet Dictatorship in Russia [New York Journal American, 3 Feb 1949].

You can also double check all this information (it's also well documented -though not taught in schools nor published in the media-).

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One thing more:

There are clear links between all communist revolutions and capitalist fudning and/or interests; I think the only exception is Cuba.

Which takes me back to the question I posted last week:

Does anyone knows of any trully communist country? (I just thought it would be fair to find one before we talk so much about how bad is communism).

thelonious

14-05-2009, 07:03 PM

Leon Trotsky (1879-1940) was a true revolutionary, no one will deny that, but when he left New York on 27 Mar 1917, together with a band of 300 other revolutionaries, he was well funded by the international bankers. According to his grandson John Schiff, Jacob Schiff had given 20 million dollars to Trotsky for use in establishing a Soviet Dictatorship in Russia [New York Journal American, 3 Feb 1949].[/INDENT]

You can also double check all this information (it's also well documented -though not taught in schools nor published in the media-).

Yet that wasn't the way it happened. As you said in the beginning of your post, there was no pro-Communist popular uprising. There was actually instead two completely different governments in charge in Russia after the February Revolution of 1917.

The actual government was Kerensky's liberal government, which commanded the armed forces of Russia, and was seen as the legitimate replacement of Czar Nicholas' government. Trotsky simply ran the Petrograd Soviet, which originally functioned as a worker's union. Trotsky had no plans to leave NYC and launch a Communist revolution. Indeed, he later wrote that "The Revolution found us (in the Party) asleep, just like the foolish virgins in the gospels".

The only reason that Kerensky was ousted was because of his insistence to stay in WWI, whereas the Russian people wanted peace. Lenin thus began the Bolshevik slogan of "peace, land, and bread", and the people that fell for it never got peace *or* land *or* bread.

To illustrate the confusion that Russian people were falling into, consider the farmers, whose popular slogan was "Long live Lenin and the Bolsheviks! Down with Trotsky and the Communists!" They did not understand that the Bolsheviks and the Communists were the same party, and that Trotsky was Lenin's subordinate. All they knew was that Lenin had promised them land and bread, and Trotsky was taking it all away, albeit under Lenin's orders.

Regardless, Kerensky couldn't fight both the Germans on the eastern front as well as the Communist forces at home. Having divided his own army, it basically disintegrated, and the Bolsheviks just fell into power to fill the vaccuum in October.

flyermay

14-05-2009, 07:47 PM

I don't see where the contradiction is. :confused:

... As you said in the beginning of your post, there was no pro-Communist popular uprising. There was actually instead two completely different governments in charge in Russia after the February Revolution of 1917.

Agreed; which supports my argument for communism being imposed by other interests.

The actual government was Kerensky's liberal government, which commanded the armed forces of Russia, and was seen as the legitimate replacement of Czar Nicholas' government. Trotsky simply ran the Petrograd Soviet, which originally functioned as a worker's union. Trotsky had no plans to leave NYC and launch a Communist revolution. Indeed, he later wrote that "The Revolution found us (in the Party) asleep, just like the foolish virgins in the gospels".

However, Trotsky had previously attempted the revolution, which lead him to escape to New York. According to the journalist William T. Still:
"he soon discovered that there were wealthy Wall Street bankers who were willing to finance a revolution in Russia"

It might be true that the final revolution took him by surpirse, but it doesn't mean that he was not planning a second attempt with the finaciation of Wall Street bankers (investment lead by Jacob Schiff, renown for his connection with the infamous Rothschild family).

What I am discussing is the involvement of capitalist interests in the subsequent Russian communist dictatorship (a.k.a. the Russian revolution); regardless of the fact that Trotsky was in NY. That cannot be denied, though many ignore it.

According to the NEW YORK JOURNAL:

"It is estimated by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, that the old man sank about $20 million for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia."

remium

14-05-2009, 08:07 PM

http://www.luciferia.tv/3seal_files/image001.jpg

Comandante Lucifer

Dictator of the Final Martial Law.
Commander of the Armies of Heaven. Prince of the Angels, 'ex officio.'

http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/huta1.jpg

luciferhorus

14-05-2009, 08:20 PM

What I am discussing is the involvement of capitalist interests in the subsequent Russian communist dictatorship (a.k.a. the Russian revolution); regardless of the fact that Trotsky was in NY. That cannot be denied, though many ignore it.

It is certainly considered as a historical fact that Lenin and Trotsky were financed by International Capital, as were the Nazis. War is certainly very good for business and reaps huge rewards for the Capitalist elites; further when there is a perceived 'foreign' enemy, the masses are distracted and attention is drawn away from the real enemies, the economic elites of Capitalism.

http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Blogspot/industrialists/Wall_Street_And_The_Rise_of_Hitler.jpg

The entire text of Sutton's classic work can be read online

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

See also the German Marxist historian Lenni Brenner's Zionism in the Age of the Dictators: A Reappraisal (1983) on collaboration between the Nazis and the Zionists.

http://kildare.ie/kpsc/occupationinfo/images/main/sidelinks/books/zionismdictators.jpg

Full text of Zionism in the Age of the Dictators: A Reappraisal on:
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner

See also: George Bush:The Unauthorized Biography by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, particularly chapter two which goes into the American Financing of the Nazis by the Harriman / Bush crime families.

http://www.tarpley.net/bcover05.gif

Full text on:

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

In Russia the Bolsheviks were only one of a number of Communist groups, but it was the Bolsheviks who had the financing in place for their revolution.

This all just highlights the problems created by the immense power of International Capital.

It is not just a matter of financing but also of infiltration and control. There was a documentary on British TV a few years back which alleged that the largest UK Communist Party (The Socialist Workers Party) was run for a number of years by a military intelligence agent.

I long ago came to the conclusion that any political party or government can be and often is infiltrated by agents of the economic elites and state terrorists.

Even prior to the first Communist revolution, Bakunin and other Anarchists understood the dreadful implications of a 'proletarian dictatorship;' as Bakunin stated 'give me 100 Tzars rather than a single Karl Marx;'

Anarchist Communists are often ex-Marxists who have come to the conclusion that 'any government' is simply a curse that leads to tyranny and the corruption of revolution.

The three major pillars of the current Archons are 1: Government, 2: Capital and 3: Organised Religion; when all three dissapear, as is the Anarchist agenda, the power of the economic elites shall dissapear and there will be nothing they can infiltrate.

Internet Infiltration

I would also point out that there were government adverts in the Israeli press recently where they are seeking to recruit a million bloggers to defend the State of Israel on discussion groups, which is quite a ridiculous figure since there are only 7 million people in Israel; further it has been widely reported that the Anglo-American state terrorists also employ 'professional' bloggers and have an array of covert propaganda Internet sites; frankly I would be very surprised if forums such as this one were 'not' a 'target,' of professional state terrorist propagandists; the attempt to infiltrate, disinform and control is everywhere around us.

LL

Lux

lightgiver

14-05-2009, 08:37 PM

What's your point? :confused:

Burnt at the stake
(From biblical times to Wako)

Origins

Burning someone to death (or burnt at the stake) has been common practice as punishment for a variety of *crimes* as adultery, heresy or witchcraft. The first mention of this predominantly Christian practices comes for the Genesis itself, which describes how Judah condemned Tamar to this horrible and painful death [1].

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Rembrandt%27s_school_Tamar.JPG/250px-Rembrandt%27s_school_Tamar.JPG
Judah and Tamar

Middle ages

Nevertheless, this deplorable practice reached its peak during the middle ages and was declared as the official punishment for heresy from 1184 by the Roman Catholic Synod of Verona; later reaffirmed by the Fourth Council of the Lateran in 1215, the Synod of Toulouse in 1229, and numerous spiritual and secular leaders through the 17th century [2].

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1746/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1746-2107.jpg
Thomas Cranner, burnt at the stake in Oxford

Modern usage

Even though burning at the stake declined towards the 18th century, Waco (Texas) is notorious around the world for the following incidents:

The burning of Jesse Washington in 1916; a mentally retarded Africanamerican.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Postcard_of_the_lynched_Jesse_Washington%2C_front_ and_back.jpg/180px-Postcard_of_the_lynched_Jesse_Washington%2C_front_ and_back.jpg
Postcard of Jesse Washington

And the massacre of innocent men, women and children by the ATF and the FBI in the Branch Davidian's ranch.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2728
Please notice the flag from the "Land of the Free" in the middle of the picuture

[1] Genesis 38:24
[2] Execution by burning: Historical usage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnt_at_the_stake#Historical_usage) (Wikipedia)

________________________

We can also discuss figures; if you like... (so we will also settle who are the most cruel -on top of the most criminal; as proved in previous posts-).

.

More like what's you point,my dads bigger than your dad,

so what society do you live in,that allows you free speech and the rest of the freedoms you get in a democratic society,I am not saying its perfect,but its a damned site better than any communist tinpot dictatorship,tell me FM why are you not living in a communist country?

all the pictures from you and LH will make no difference,(you cannot dress mutton up as lamb) intelligent people can see through façades of illusion.

I was always taught to be wary of wolves in sheep clothing,and that's the feel I get from LH and his sycophantic ass licker's,armchair commies,it does bring out the sycophantic traits,so at least one knows what one is dealing with.

Oh I know replace one tin pot dictatorship with an even worse one,grow up armchair commies,it will never happen,and religion will never die.

hey FM your hanging pic of jesse reminds me of the sub contractor workers who were burnt, mutilated and then their bodies hung up from a bridge in Iraq.

We can all post pics and info from atrocities committed out throughout history,whatever label what one wants to give it.No matter what the label, the evil comes from peoples minds,and you anti this and anti that people need to start realising this simple fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybnzMnFEWJY

They are all isms and schisms,no matter what label you put on them,they are all still run by cronies.

Free your mind from labels.

dawnismygoddess

14-05-2009, 10:38 PM

And the massacre of innocent men, women and children by the ATF and the FBI in the Branch Davidian's ranch.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2728
Please notice the flag from the "Land of the Free" in the middle of the picuture
[/LIST]

Ummmm...it's not spelled "Wako", unless that is how you wanted it to be spelled.

flyermay

14-05-2009, 10:47 PM

Ummmm...it's not spelled "Wako", unless that is how you wanted it to be spelled.

You're absolutely right, thanks. Though I'm sure it won't be my last spelling mistake you will find (it's the main problem of speaking 5 languages; you never get to fully master any of them).

flyermay

14-05-2009, 11:17 PM

It can’t be: a change of subject and a round of insults during a discussion with “Lightgiver”, lol. Is it my lucky day or am I having a déjà-vu?

so what society do you live in,that allows you free speech and the rest of the freedoms you get in a democratic society,I am not saying its perfect,but its a damned site better than any communist tinpot dictatorship,tell me FM why are you not living in a communist country?

“Democracy”, “free speech”, “freedoms” sounds good enough to me: where can I get those pills you are taking?

all the pictures from you and LH will make no difference,(you cannot dress mutton up as lamb) intelligent people can see through façades of illusion.

Oh, I see; you are more into YouTube intellectual videos. Petty that communists prefer to read.

I was always taught to be wary of wolves in sheep clothing,and that's the feel I get from LH and his sycophantic ass licker's,armchair commies,it does bring out the sycophantic traits,so at least one knows what one is dealing with.

I’m so glad to hear you had a good education; it is obvious that you know well the difference between your right and left hand.

Oh I know replace one tin pot dictatorship with an even worse one,grow up armchair commies,it will never happen,and religion will never die.

That’s for sure; I see that the elite of the intellectual community is working hard on the case.

hey FM your hanging pic of jesse reminds me of the sub contractor workers who were burnt, mutilated and then their bodies hung up from a bridge in Iraq.

That’s strange; I didn’t know there were any Christians in Iraq (except for the US troops; teaching the Iraqis how to be free).

We can all post pics and info from atrocities committed out throughout history,whatever label what one wants to give it.No matter what the label, the evil comes from peoples minds,and you anti this and anti that people need to start realising this simple fact.

Label this for me please:

“You must accept that you have been cattle and the ultimate consequence of being cattle –which is slavery-, or you must prepare to fight, and if necessary die to preserve your God-given right to freedom.”
(Milton William Cooper)

dawnismygoddess

14-05-2009, 11:28 PM

You're absolutely right, thanks. Though I'm sure it won't be my last spelling mistake you will find (it's the main problem of speaking 5 languages; you never get to fully master any of them).

No problems, flyermay. I just had to say something because what happened at Waco should never be forgotten.

It is after all, the name of a small town in Texas, so I can see how you got it wrong.

flyermay

14-05-2009, 11:30 PM

Talking about your "freedom of speech", I just found one of my leaflets censored by photobucket, lol.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww54/flyermay/thegamecontinuescopy.jpg

Here is another copy, in case you are interested in finding out how obscene it was.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2724

flyermay

14-05-2009, 11:35 PM

No problems, flyermay. I just had to say something because what happened at Waco should never be forgotten.

It is after all, the name of a small town in Texas, so I can see how you got it wrong.

Oh, that's very easy to explain. In my language each consonant and vowel has always the same sound; unlike in your language.

dawnismygoddess

14-05-2009, 11:39 PM

Oh, that's very easy to explain. In my language each consonant or vowel has always the same sound; unlike in your language.

Interesting. What is your native tongue?

lightgiver

14-05-2009, 11:40 PM

It can’t be: a change of subject and a round of insults during a discussion with “Lightgiver”, lol. Is it my lucky day or am I having a déjà-vu?

“Democracy”, “free speech”, “freedoms” sounds good enough to me: where can I get those pills you are taking?

Oh, I see; you are more into YouTube intellectual videos. Petty that communists prefer to read.

I’m so glad to hear you had a good education; it is obvious that you know well the difference between your right and left hand.

That’s for sure; I see that the elite of the intellectual community is working hard on the case.

That’s strange; I didn’t know there were any Christians in Iraq (except for the US troops; teaching the Iraqis how to be free).

Label this for me please:

I do know enough of communism to see it as just another form of tyranny,no matter how some like to dress it up as freedom.

Are you going to lead it FM?:D

flyermay

14-05-2009, 11:42 PM

I do know enough of communism to see it as just another form of tyranny,no matter how some like to dress it up as freedom.

Are you going to lead it FM?:D

Why and how would a non-communist lead a communist revolution :confused:

lightgiver

14-05-2009, 11:49 PM

Why and how would a non-communist could lead a communist revolution :confused:

So you are not pro communism?it matters not to me,I just find communism and killing in the name of any label a very undesirable Ideology,

What is your Ideology FM?

flyermay

14-05-2009, 11:55 PM

So you are not pro communism?it matters not to me,I just find communism and killing in the name of any label a very undesirable Ideology,

Agreed, and you would probably find out that I've been saying that for 2 weeks if you read my posts instead of looking at the beautiful pictures. :rolleyes:

Interesting. What is your native tongue?
What is your Ideology FM?

None of the above...

lightgiver

15-05-2009, 12:30 AM

Agreed, and you would probably find out that I've been saying that for 2 weeks if you read my posts instead of looking at the beautiful pictures. :rolleyes:

None of the above...

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9851/kissingermao.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kissingermao.jpg)

mason,

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8369/karlmarxmed.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=karlmarxmed.jpg)

flyermay

15-05-2009, 12:32 AM

It is certainly considered as a historical fact that Lenin and Trotsky were financed by International Capital, as were the Nazis. War is certainly very good for business and reaps huge rewards for the Capitalist elites; further when there is a perceived 'foreign' enemy, the masses are distracted and attention is drawn away from the real enemies, the economic elites of Capitalism.

http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Blogspot/industrialists/Wall_Street_And_The_Rise_of_Hitler.jpg

The entire text of Sutton's classic work can be read online

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

See also the German Marxist historian Lenni Brenner's Zionism in the Age of the Dictators: A Reappraisal (1983) on collaboration between the Nazis and the Zionists.

http://kildare.ie/kpsc/occupationinfo/images/main/sidelinks/books/zionismdictators.jpg

Full text of Zionism in the Age of the Dictators: A Reappraisal on:
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner

See also: George Bush:The Unauthorized Biography by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, particularly chapter two which goes into the American Financing of the Nazis by the Harriman / Bush crime families.

http://www.tarpley.net/bcover05.gif

Full text on:

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

In Russia the Bolsheviks were only one of a number of Communist groups, but it was the Bolsheviks who had the financing in place for their revolution.

This all just highlights the problems created by the immense power of International Capital.

And the story doesn't end there: the elite also made sure that USSR kept a strong position after WWII; allowing them to benefit the most from the great war and enabling them to build a huge empire. This was done with the only purpose of having a strong opponent and with it keep the world under fear and control.

It is no secret that General Patton objected to all this and that he was simply taken out, as his credibility and fame as war hero would have open many people's eyes to the facts.

I understand that all this information is quite a surprise to many people; who were told otherwise by the system. But there is no point on denying the facts under the lable of "conspiracy theory".

luciferhorus

15-05-2009, 12:47 AM

And the story doesn't ends there: the elite also made sure that USSR kept a strong position after WWII; allowing them to benefit the most from the great war and enabling them to build a huge empire. This was done with the only purpose of having a strong opponent and with it keep the world under fear and control.

It is no secret that General Patton objected to all this and that he was simply taken out, as his credibility and fame as war hero would have open many people's eyes.

I understand that all this facts are quite a surprise to many people; who were told otherwise by the system. But there is no point on denying the facts under the lable of "conspiracy theory".

This is of course is the problem with 'tinkering' with or 'reforming' the Capitalist system, rather than eradicating it; I tend to concur with David Icke's analysis that the real economic and miltary masters of Capital are 'hidden' from view and an 'invisible hand' behind the many wars and revolutions; just modifying Capitalism is unlikely to disempower them; anything short of the eradication of government, religion and Capital will simply not be effective in the eradication their power; unfortunately this will require an apocalyptic war.

LL

Lux

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif

flyermay

15-05-2009, 01:16 AM

This is of course is the problem with 'tinkering' with or 'reforming' the Capitalist system, rather than eradicating it; I tend to concur with David Icke's analysis that the real economic and miltary masters of Capital are 'hidden' from view and an 'invisible hand' behind the many wars and revolutions; just modifying Capitalism is unlikely to disempower them; anything short of the eradication of government, religion and Capital will simply not be effective in the eradication their power; unfortunately this will require an apocalyptic war.

LL

Lux

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif

I don't think that at this stage anyone on this forum would dare doubt about an "invisible hand" controlling the world. To be fair and honest, Icke is just the last one to say it, but this idea is quite old. For example, here are some quotes from insiders who prevented the public about it and no one listened on time:

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. "
Benjamin Disraeli (first Prime Minister of England)

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
Felix Frankfurter (U.S. Supreme Court Justice)

"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people."
President Theodore Roosevelt

"The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts."
Henry Ford

"The case for government by elites is irrefutable."
William Fulbright (U.S. Senator)

“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
Woodrow Wilson

About your prediction, you know I'm not as optimistic as you are and don't also think that a nuclear holocaust would solve anything (though we are on our way to something big).

Think about this for a moment: why do we treat cattle as such? Just because they allow us. So it won't matter if you start the world again, people would simply allow themselves to be enslaved and abused in the exact same way.

thelonious

15-05-2009, 03:59 AM

mason,

lol. Neither Mao Tse-tung, nor Henry Kissinger, nor Karl Marx were Freemasons.

It should be pointed out, however, that Marx is mostly innocent of Communist crimes. Indeed, he would have been flabbergasted at what has been done in the name of Socialism. Marx saw the abject poverty of the working class, and hoped for a better day, when all were provided for.

The Communists destroyed Marx's dream of economic equality and political liberty.

realy

15-05-2009, 08:08 AM

thelonious

15-05-2009, 02:38 PM

However, Trotsky had previously attempted the revolution, which lead him to escape to New York.

True, but not necessarily a communist revolution. Trotsky had originally been a Menshevik, who were more ideologically "accurate" (in regards to classical Marxism) than the Bolsheviks were.

The Mensheviks held the classical Marxist notion that society must pass through the era of capitalism in order to create wealth, which would eventually give rise to a proletarian revolution. The Bolsheviks, on the other hand, tended to deny the necessities of capitalism, and believed that Russia could be made socialist directly from feudalism, without going through the intermediary of capitalism.

While this may seem a minor detail, it is important in regard to Trotsky, who originally supported a revolution immediately bringing about a liberal government instead of a communist one (and explains why some capitalists were willing to contribute).

luciferhorus

15-05-2009, 03:00 PM

yeah something big is coming and he might be in tune with it somehow.
will there be supernatural powers involved here? or maybe even beings from other planets?

With regards to Supernatural powers and 'beings from other planets:'

I think this begs the question of what a 'supernatural' power is; the term 'supernatural' is also associated with miracles, legends, sky-gods, myths and so forth; as I am a Deist and an animist I tend to hold that all nature is 'animated (alive)' and that within all nature is a 'spiritual' or 'metaphysical' essense; thus all nature by definition has an element within it which is 'super-natural,' or meta-physical,' and I have made this clear in numerous previous essays on this forum and others over the years.

On the Gods and Goddesses

It is quite a modern trend for 'some' magickians to be atheists or reincarnationists, but a traditional view is that there is an ancestral realm (i.e., a spiritual world, the realms of light beyond the death of the physical form, the realms of the gods and goddesses), and this is my view which accords with my own shamanic experiences; thus I tend to term the 'gods' angels. demons, devils, ghosts, discarnate spirits etc., simply as 'ancestral spirits,' and I personally reject all materialistic or reincarnationist theories; it is a very simple view much like the Christian idea of Heaven and Hell, with the exception that I consider the Christians to be mostly devotees of the god of Capital and a malevolent or 'hellbound' force on earth.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:V1KePpBXmTnBAM:http://www.internetbaypartneringevent.com/wp-content//milkyway.bmp

Worlds in Collision; chaos and order.

Our local galaxy (the milky way) alone may contain up to to 400 billion stars, each with an incalculatable number of planets in orbit, and this is only one of many millions of galaxies and possibly 'billions' beyond the reach of our telescopes.

It is probably the case that intelligent life has evolved on numerous planets, possibly billions of planets, now and throughout the long history of the universe; further each planet is likely to have been subjected to numerous historical cataclysms in our colliding universe, where civilisations have developed and are then wiped out in a blink of an eye.

The periods where we have the capacity to develop scientifically and consider reaching out beyond our planets are probably rather short periods in comparison with the age of the universe.

Thus we need not only consider the gods and goddesses (ancestral spirits) as those who previously lived on earth; we need also consider the age of the universe and the probability of intelligent life developing on billions of planets throuhgout history, and the existence of the souls of such creatures in the eternal world.

Thus the question of whether there are supernatural powers involved in the battle between good and evil is a rather obvious one to me, and it is 'of course.'

The Magi of good and evil

This world, as Icke correctly understands is not merely ruled by Capitalist devils; it is also ruled by powerful relgious cultists; the magi may evoke the angelic or devillish or both, but the effects of their magick are a slave planet; a world of slaves and masters where billions are hungry and many millions of souls die each year from the effects of poverty and war; there is certainly not the indication that the economic and cult rulers of our world, who are the priesthood of the god of capital, are a benevolent force; on the contrary; for if it were so, the world would be a Communist paradise on earth; it would be full of happiness and the abundance of food; children would not starve and there would be no more wars of Capitalist imperialism and the Christian state terrorists / narco-terrorists would not be raining fire and depleted uranium down from the sky on innocents in order to expand their Capitalist revolution.

Creatures from other planets, UFO's etc.

I think it is certainly the case that much of the UFO phenomena is simply the American state terrorists (and others) testing advanced aircraft, and there is an abundance of testimony to this effect, but it does not explain it all; however ploughing through all the UFO research over the years, it is very much a minefield which includes government disinformation, psy-ops and frankly a myriad of dubious testimony and images.

If there were benevolent beings who were scientifically advanced, the question is begged as to why they have not intervened by now to stop the incredible suffering on earth; rather I view the universe as a 'Star Wars' or 'Lord of the Rings' scenario, where they who are 'good' and who resist slavery and the slavemasters may have limited technological powers or may be confined to their local regions in the universe, and they who are 'evil' and who seek to enslave others may be very advanced scientifically.

Communist Paradise probably exists on other planets, but there are probably also malevolent forces which seek to enslave others and which have the power to transform planets into slave societies; our tiny planet earth being one of them.

Fortunately we live in a nuclear age and this evens matters up; the great kingdoms of Capital which have taken generations to create can be eradicated in the blink of an eye, and this shall and will occur in time.

With regards to life on other planets and 'intelligent aliens,' it is not really something I devote much time to, for such research is a minefiled of confusion; I tend to concentrate on 'this world' and the 'spirtual world' and the dissemination of propaganda which will create the conditions for world revolution against the magi of Capital; if there do exist non-Capitalist, non-enslaved paradises on other planets, they are either unable or unwilling to assist us; thus I consider it better to view our war against the priesthood of Capital as a battle we must wage without any expectation of extraterrestrial assistance, which is generally the Communist position.

The armies of heaven and hell gather and prepare for apocalyptic war. In this matter I am more certain.

Wars, revolutions and genocides will continue until the eradication of the last priest, the last tyrant and the last devotee of the god of Capital; this is the purpose of Final Revolution and the Final Holocaust.

Lux

__________________

About your prediction, you know I'm not as optimistic as you are and don't also think that a nuclear holocaust would solve anything (though we are on our way to something big)..

The only alternative to nuclear guerilla war is to simply surrender to the priesthood and the armies of the god of Capital; it does not matter how many people are willing to surrender to slavery; it only takes a small handful of those who are unwilling to be enslaved and are willing to resist, to turn the kingdoms of Capital to dust; the matter shall not be decided by those who choose to surrender, but by those who will never surrender, and such souls I define as the mythical 'revolutionary vanguard' and the '7 angels of the apocalypse;' it has very much been the objective of my magickal workings to evoke such souls both in heaven and on earth and to bring this to pass; the matter is anyway now out of my hands and shall be decided by the militant, apocalyptic enemies of the priesthood of Capital.

http://th00.deviantart.com/fs21/300W/i/2007/298/8/1/Armageddon_by_teddybearcholla.jpg

Think about this for a moment: why do we treat cattle as such? Just because they allow us. So it won't matter if you start the world again, people would simply allow themselves to be enslaved and abused in the exact same way.

That is a very pessimistic view that evil shall always prevail and that the evil of tyranny and of the slavemaster (who are generally a minority) is more powerful than the collective will of the enslaved (who are generally the masses, the majority); in your view it seems to be that you believe that a part of your human nature to be a submissive slave, whereas I consider that merely to be the effect of conditioning in our prision planet; it was Marx's view that it is 'not' in your nature to be a slave, and that history progresses dialectically through a series of slave revolutions, culminating in the final global slave revolution, and the abolition of the three pillars of slavemaster's power, these being 'Capital, Government and Religion;' this is also very much the view of the author(s) of the biblical apocalyptic prophecies and it is also my view which I seek to bring to pass.

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o348/marikfan13/1208375613414lb6.jpg

Lux

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif

grandsecretary

15-05-2009, 06:12 PM

Too long and too tedious to bother reading any more of this repetitive slop.

realy

15-05-2009, 06:45 PM

I know people regard benjamin fulford as crazy also along with most of the other conspiracy figures but here is a quote from BF from a project camelot interview(which fits into what LH is saying):

"BF: And this society, like I say, to get back to their history… The Meiji Emperor helped them overthrow the Ching and install the Sun Yat-Sen as president of the Republic of China. And so, they, together, helped liberate China. And during World War II, this society in Japan and other Asian countries all worked in concert. So it goes all across Asia. And Chairman Mao was financed by the Soviets, who were a Rothschild subsidiary. And so the Green and the Red gang last appeared in the history books in 1949, fighting the communists in Shanghai.

"And then they disappeared. They went underground again.

But in 1967 they kicked out the Illuminati from China. That’s why they had a big Soviet-China split, why the Soviet Union and China nearly went to nuclear war. And the Chinese have secretly prepared. They’ve built these huge underground cities to prepare for nuclear war. They had their nuclear weapons. And that’s when they kicked them out. And China became independent again from these western, you know, central banking families."

flyermay

15-05-2009, 06:57 PM

The only alternative to nuclear guerilla war is to simply surrender to the priesthood and the armies of the god of Capital; it does not matter how many people are willing to surrender to slavery; it only takes a small handful of those who are unwilling to be enslaved and are willing to resist, to turn the kingdoms of Capital to dust; the matter shall not be decided by those who choose to surrender, but by those who will never surrender, and such souls I define as the mythical 'revolutionary vanguard' and the '7 angels of the apocalypse;' it has very much been the objective of my magickal workings to evoke such souls both in heaven and on earth and to bring this to pass; the matter is anyway now out of my hands and shall be decided by the militant, apocalyptic enemies of the priesthood of Capital.

I couldn’t disagree more: as we discussed before, a nuclear holocaust is nowhere near an acceptable option. Why would anyone choose to follow and support any new “leader” (or group) who is willing to kill 6 billion people just to impose on the few survivors his own concept of a perfect society? Don't you think that killing the many for the benefit of the few is far from ideal?

That is a very pessimistic view that evil shall always prevail and that the evil of tyranny and of the slavemaster (who are generally a minority) is more powerful than the collective will of the enslaved (who are generally the masses, the majority); in your view it seems to be a part of your human nature to be a submissive slave, whereas I consider that merely to be the effect of conditioning in our prision planet; it was Marx's view that it is 'not' in your nature to be a slave, and that history progresses dialectically through a series of slave revolutions, culminating in the final global slave revolution, and the abolition of the three pillars of slavemaster's power, these being 'Capital, Government and Religion;' this is also very much the view of the author(s) of the biblical apocalyptic prophecies and it is also my view which I seek to bring to pass.

Yes, it is pessimistic; but not more pessimistic than thinking that a nuclear holocaust is the only option. Nevertheless, apart from being pessimistic it is also realistic. It doesn’t matter if we were able to realise our previous condition as slaves and broke free from it (though only to certain levels –probably even acceptable for me at the moment-); the rest of the world loves to be enslaved, adore their masters, and would even give their lives to protect their condition.

There is no better example to prove this fact than looking back at Jesus and all his current billion followers: Jesus' teachings, unlike David Icke’s, got through to practically the whole world along the ages. He perfectly described the situation and people's condition, and even set clear guidelines that should be followed in order to achieve personal and spiritual freedom. However, what was the result? billions of people acknowledging Jesus’ teachings without a single doubt about his word, but doing the exact opposite of what they are meant to do to break free from slavery.

Now, tell me: what makes you think that this time you (or anyone else) are going to succeed, in not only convincing the whole world that your way is the right way, but also being able to teach them how they should live their lives without following any tyrants?

There is a say that states: “in the land of the blind, the one-eyed is king”. However, and old friend from my teens told me once: “in the land of the blind, the one-eyed is crucified”; Pessimistic? Yes; but he couldn’t be more right!

lightgiver

15-05-2009, 07:57 PM

With regards to Supernatural powers and 'beings from other planets:'

I think this begs the question of what a 'supernatural' power is; the term 'supernatural' is also associated with miracles, legends, sky-gods, myths and so forth; as I am a Deist and an animist I tend to hold that all nature is 'animated (alive)' and that within all nature is a 'spiritual' or 'metaphysical' essense; thus all nature by definition has an element within it which is 'super-natural,' or meta-physical,' and I have made this clear in numerous previous essays on this forum and others over the years.

On the Gods and Goddesses

It is quite a modern trend for 'some' magickians to be atheists or reincarnationists, but a traditional view is that there is an ancestral realm (i.e., a spiritual world, the realms of light beyond the death of the physical form, the realms of the gods and goddesses), and this is my view which accords with my own shamanic experiences; thus I tend to term the 'gods' angels. demons, devils, ghosts, discarnate spirits etc., simply as 'ancestral spirits,' and I personally reject all materialistic or reincarnationist theories; it is a very simple view much like the Christian idea of Heaven and Hell, with the exception that I consider the Christians to be mostly devotees of the god of Capital and a malevolent or 'hellbound' force on earth.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:V1KePpBXmTnBAM:http://www.internetbaypartneringevent.com/wp-content//milkyway.bmp

Worlds in Collision; chaos and order.

Our local galaxy (the milky way) alone may contain up to to 400 billion stars, each with an incalculatable number of planets in orbit, and this is only one of many millions of galaxies and possibly 'billions' beyond the reach of our telescopes.

It is probably the case that intelligent life has evolved on numerous planets, possibly billions of planets, now and throughout the long history of the universe; further each planet is likely to have been subjected to numerous historical cataclysms in our colliding universe, where civilisations have developed and are then wiped out in a blink of an eye.

The periods where we have the capacity to develop scientifically and consider reaching out beyond our planets are probably rather short periods in comparison with the age of the universe.

Thus we need not only consider the gods and goddesses (ancestral spirits) as those who previously lived on earth; we need also consider the age of the universe and the probability of intelligent life developing on billions of planets throuhgout history, and the existence of the souls of such creatures in the eternal world.

Thus the question of whether there are supernatural powers involved in the battle between good and evil is a rather obvious one to me, and it is 'of course.'

The Magi of good and evil

This world, as Icke correctly understands is not merely ruled by Capitalist devils; it is also ruled by powerful relgious cultists; the magi may evoke the angelic or devillish or both, but the effects of their magick are a slave planet; a world of slaves and masters where billions are hungry and many millions of souls die each year from the effects of poverty and war; there is certainly not the indication that the economic and cult rulers of our world, who are the priesthood of the god of capital, are a benevolent force; on the contrary; for if it were so, the world would be a Communist paradise on earth; it would be full of happiness and the abundance of food; children would not starve and there would be no more wars of Capitalist imperialism and the Christian state terrorists / narco-terrorists would not be raining fire and depleted uranium down from the sky on innocents in order to expand their Capitalist revolution.

Creatures from other planets, UFO's etc.

I think it is certainly the case that much of the UFO phenomena is simply the American state terrorists (and others) testing advanced aircraft, and there is an abundance of testimony to this effect, but it does not explain it all; however ploughing through all the UFO research over the years, it is very much a minefield which includes government disinformation, psy-ops and frankly a myriad of dubious testimony and images.

If there were benevolent beings who were scientifically advanced, the question is begged as to why they have not intervened by now to stop the incredible suffering on earth; rather I view the universe as a 'Star Wars' or 'Lord of the Rings' scenario, where they who are 'good' and who resist slavery and the slavemasters may have limited technological powers or may be confined to their local regions in the universe, and they who are 'evil' and who seek to enslave others may be very advanced scientifically.

Communist Paradise probably exists on other planets, but there are probably also malevolent forces which seek to enslave others and which have the power to transform planets into slave societies; our tiny planet earth being one of them.

Fortunately we live in a nuclear age and this evens matters up; the great kingdoms of Capital which have taken generations to create can be eradicated in the blink of an eye, and this shall and will occur in time.

With regards to life on other planets and 'intelligent aliens,' it is not really something I devote much time to, for such research is a minefiled of confusion; I tend to concentrate on 'this world' and the 'spirtual world' and the dissemination of propaganda which will create the conditions for world revolution against the magi of Capital; if there do exist non-Capitalist, non-enslaved paradises on other planets, they are either unable or unwilling to assist us; thus I consider it better to view our war against the priesthood of Capital as a battle we must wage without any expectation of extraterrestrial assistance, which is generally the Communist position.

The armies of heaven and hell gather and prepare for apocalyptic war. In this matter I am more certain.

Wars, revolutions and genocides will continue until the eradication of the last priest, the last tyrant and the last devotee of the god of Capital; this is the purpose of Final Revolution and the Final Holocaust.

Lux

__________________

The only alternative to nuclear guerilla war is to simply surrender to the priesthood and the armies of the god of Capital; it does not matter how many people are willing to surrender to slavery; it only takes a small handful of those who are unwilling to be enslaved and are willing to resist, to turn the kingdoms of Capital to dust; the matter shall not be decided by those who choose to surrender, but by those who will never surrender, and such souls I define as the mythical 'revolutionary vanguard' and the '7 angels of the apocalypse;' it has very much been the objective of my magickal workings to evoke such souls both in heaven and on earth and to bring this to pass; the matter is anyway now out of my hands and shall be decided by the militant, apocalyptic enemies of the priesthood of Capital.

http://th00.deviantart.com/fs21/300W/i/2007/298/8/1/Armageddon_by_teddybearcholla.jpg

That is a very pessimistic view that evil shall always prevail and that the evil of tyranny and of the slavemaster (who are generally a minority) is more powerful than the collective will of the enslaved (who are generally the masses, the majority); in your view it seems to be that you believe that a part of your human nature to be a submissive slave, whereas I consider that merely to be the effect of conditioning in our prision planet; it was Marx's view that it is 'not' in your nature to be a slave, and that history progresses dialectically through a series of slave revolutions, culminating in the final global slave revolution, and the abolition of the three pillars of slavemaster's power, these being 'Capital, Government and Religion;' this is also very much the view of the author(s) of the biblical apocalyptic prophecies and it is also my view which I seek to bring to pass.

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o348/marikfan13/1208375613414lb6.jpg

Lux

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif

Communist Body Count:Through Starvation.

The following estimates represent citizens killed or starved to death by their own Communist governments since 1918. These numbers do not include war dead. The governments are sorted by body count (highest to lowest).

All numbers are mid-estimates.

While this list is as complete as I have been able to determine, it is evolving. Some numbers are incomplete and there are still five Communist countries that have the potential to kill more of their citizens. Over the next year, each government will be profiled in detail on this website.

http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/archives/communistbodycount.php

Communist Body Count: 149,469,610, it appears life is cheap no matter where one goes,or whatever ism or schism it belongs to.

luciferhorus

15-05-2009, 08:36 PM

I couldn’t disagree more: as we discussed before, a nuclear holocaust is nowhere near an acceptable option. Why would anyone choose to follow and support any new “leader” (or group) who is willing to kill 6 billion people just to impose on the few survivors his own concept of a perfect society? Don't you think that killing the many for the benefit of the few is far from ideal?!

I think that one of the most famous of Bakunin's quotes was Anyone who makes plans for after the revolution is a reactionary. this is very much Chomsky's position since he does not speak of the ideal future Anarchist world, but sees it rather a something which would come out of the dialectical process of constant resistance to tyranny; this is a common Anarchist position which I detract from somewhat, since I worked for the Israelis for many years and I consider the Israeli Communist system (kibbutzism) to be a form of Collectivism which is close to the ideal of economic heaven on earth, and in comparision to the lifestyle of the billions of impoverished slaves of Capital, would represent 'progression' and economic Heaven; of course it would not be acceptible to the Capitalist elites and those at the top of the food chan, but this is irrelevant since revolution is not about their liberation, but rather their disempowerment and the liberation of their billions of slaves.

Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them...Orwell

First of all it is clear that the world is ruled by the few elites of the God of Capital; at the point where we judge them as 'evil' we must seek their eradication; but then on the other hand we are programmed and hypnotised to accept them and to be submissive to them; in fact a 'good' citizen of Capital is often defined as a sumbissive slave; this is simply not an acceptible contradition; goodness should not be defined as sumbissiveness to evil.

Don't you think that killing the many for the benefit of the few is far from ideal

It is entirely the opposite; the 'enemy' is simply the priesthood of Capital, their collaborators, their military and police; their Capitalist command and control centres which are fair game in apocalyptic war; these are the 'few' who are the economic masters of the many; for example 1% of human population lives in the UK; and 0.1% (1 out ot of a 1000) of population lives in the great city of Capitalism around the City of London, which is a central command and control centre of global loan sharking and the priesthood of Capital; this is simply a tiny minority, and revolution would be resited by such economic elites anyway; the purpose is the liberation of the Motherland (Africa) and the Third world proletariate anyway.

One defeats a fanatic precisely by not being a fanatic oneself, but on the contrary by using one’s intelligence...Orwell

If only this were true; unfortunately if the fanatic of the God of Capital is armed and has weapons of mass destruction, one has to apply one's intelligence to military methods, not merely the methods of a philosopher in debate or a propagandist.

Yes, it is pessimistic; but not more pessimistic than thinking that a nuclear holocaust is the only option.

What can you do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?..Orwell

We generally have the freedom of speech, the press, political freedom and so forth but these are only verbal freedoms to express ideas; the militant evangelical priesthood of the god of Capital will not simply surrender in the face of Internet debates, discussions and propaganda which exposes their evil; Alex Jones, David Icke, the 911 truth movement, and the millions of anti-Capitalists in Europe and America will not be able to defeat Capitalism's priesthood purely by peaceful methods, since the mercenaries of the god of Capital are armed with advanced weapons, a police state, weapons of mass destruction and all the assortment of state terrorist military methods of repression and ultra-violence and are willing to use all this to defend their Capitalist revolution and their economic aristocracy.

Nevertheless, apart from being pessimistic it is also realistic. It doesn’t matter if we were able to realise our previous condition as slaves and broke free from it (though only to certain levels –probably even acceptable for me at the moment-); the rest of the world loves to be enslaved, adore their masters, and would even give their lives to protect their condition.

I entirely disagree; it is not in the nature of a slave to be ensalved, and the millions of economic slaves I suspect would concur; during the Christian slave trade there were the expressions 'house slave' who was a submissive docile slave and 'field slave' who was not trusted and who was often chained since the masters were afraid of them; it is not the case that all economic slaves are simply docile sumbissive slaves.

There is no better example to prove this fact than looking back at Jesus and all his current billion followers: Jesus' teachings, unlike David Icke’s, got through to practically the whole world along the ages.

Christianity has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus; if it were we would live in a non-monetarist world; Christianity is simply a tool to control the masses; with the rise of the printing press, mass literacy and now the Interent, a process of education is taking place and many see through this hypocrisy.
!
Now, tell me: what makes you think that this time you (or anyone else) are going to succeed, in not only convincing the whole world that your way is the right way, but also being able to teach them how they should live their lives without following any tyrants?

There is a say that states: “in the land of the blind, the one-eyed is king”. However, and old friend from my teens told me once: “in the land of the blind, the one-eyed is crucified”; Pessimistic? Yes; but he couldn’t be more right!

Yes those who seek to free the slaves are often martyred, that is just a natural consequence of the world we live in; the spirit of revolution is always encouraged by the blood of the martyrs.

Critique and Counterproposal

It is often very easy to criticise an unjust economic, it is entirely another matter to offer a better and more correct counterproposal.

You hare hardly uncritical of the current Capitalist system, but I fail to understand your solution, your counterproposal; further despite your criticisms and understanding of the evils of the current system of elites, you have a somewhat resigned and submissive attitude; further you claim that you are neither a Capitalist nor a non-Capitalist (Communist); it is not unhealthy to admit confusion when you really are confused; it is a better alternative than the arrogance of promoting an idea which you are not entirely convinced by; but might I ask you what you consider the solution to be to the current economic systerm of Capital, if you have one, or do I understand you correctly by stating that you are simply agnostic about the matter?

And further since you are Spanish and you are no doubt familiar with the manifestation of the Anarchist Revolution in Spain (as opposed to Anarchism as merely political philosophy), what are your objections to such a system?

Lux

http://images.alibris.com/isbn/9780948984112.gif

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Anarchism_in_Spain_Fascism_Snake.jpg
History of the Spanish Civil War.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/spancivwar/spancivwarhis.html

Buenaventura Durruti, Libertarian Communist Militant of Spain

http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/durruti.html

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flyermay

15-05-2009, 10:17 PM

I think that one of the most famous of Bakunin's quotes was Anyone who makes plans for after the revolution is a reactionary. this is very much Chomsky's position since he does not speak of the ideal future Anarchist world, but sees it rather a something which would come out of the dialectical process of constant resistance to tyranny; this is a common Anarchist position which I detract from somewhat, since I worked for the Israelis for many years and I consider the Israeli Communist system (kibbutzism) to be a form of Collectivism which is close to the ideal of economic heaven on earth, and in comparision to the lifestyle of the billions of impoverished slaves of Capital, would represent 'progression' and economic Heaven; of course it would not be acceptible to the Capitalist elites and those at the top of the food chan, but this is irrelevant since revolution is not about their liberation, but rather their disempowerment and the liberation of their billions of slaves.

Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them...Orwell

First of all it is clear that the world is ruled by the few elites of the God of Capital; at the point where we judge them as 'evil' we must seek their eradication; but then on the other hand we are programmed and hypnotised to accept them and to be submissive to them; in fact a 'good' citizen of Capital is often defined as a sumbissive slave; this is simply not an acceptible contradition; goodness should not be defined as sumbissiveness to evil.

It is entirely the opposite; the 'enemy' is simply the priesthood of Capital, their collaborators, their military and police; their Capitalist command and control centres which are fair game in apocalyptic war; these are the 'few' who are the economic masters of the many; for example 1% of human population lives in the UK; and 0.1% (1 out ot of a 1000) of population lives in the great city of Capitalism around the City of London, which is a central command and control centre of global loan sharking and the priesthood of Capital; this is simply a tiny minority, and revolution would be resited by such economic elites anyway; the purpose is the liberation of the Motherland (Africa) and the Third world proletariate anyway.

It is irrelevant how much I hate those who have and abuse power; as ending their tyranny by your proposed means will also end with the life a shield of billions of innocents (whom I’m trying to save). Furthermore, and regardless of the fact that that it might or might not be politically correct from the point of view of an anarchist, you fail to understand that after a global holocaust there would be no one left to benefit from the result of your proposed actions (unless your goal is pure revenge). We talked about this before: in the best case scenario, only the ones pushing the nuclear buttons, or with enough money and power to buy safety in a nuclear bunker, will be the ones who will have their grandchildren crawling back to the surface of the earth when the radiation is finally gone.

It is quite a poetic idea thinking that only the ‘evil’ ones will perish in a nuclear holocaust, while the ‘good’ ones will keep themselves save to repopulate the earth; unfortunately, that’s not the way the world works.

One defeats a fanatic precisely by not being a fanatic oneself, but on the contrary by using one’s intelligence...Orwell

If only this were true; unfortunately if the fanatic of the God of Capital is armed and has weapons of mass destruction, one has to apply one's intelligence to military methods, not merely the methods of a philosopher in debate or a propagandist.

What can you do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?..Orwell

We generally have the freedom of speech, the press, political freedom and so forth but these are only verbal freedoms to express ideas; the militant evangelical priesthood of the god of Capital will not simply surrender in the face of Internet debates, discussions and propaganda which exposes their evil; Alex Jones, David Icke, the 911 truth movement, and the millions of anti-Capitalists in Europe and America will not be able to defeat Capitalism's priesthood purely by peaceful methods, since the mercenaries of the god of Capital are armed with advanced weapons, a police state, weapons of mass destruction and all the assortment of state terrorist military methods of repression and ultra-violence and are willing to use all this to defend their Capitalist revolution and their economic aristocracy.

Fine, let’s forget for a moment that in a global nuclear war there will be no winners.

Yes, you’re right; you don’t go to a gunfight with a knife. But what happens when the enemy has practically all the guns? Can you defeat them by military methods?

Who is supposed to have the resources and infrastructure necessary to create enough weapons of mass destruction and to execute your plan to defeat the capitalists? A couple of Islamic martyrs with a nuclear device on their chest, maybe Cuba, or maybe China (who is starting to love their new capitalist friends; as Russia does)?

I entirely disagree; it is not in the nature of a slave to be ensalved, and the millions of economic slaves I suspect would concur; during the Christian slave trade there were the expressions 'house slave' who was a submissive docile slave and 'field slave' who was not trusted and who was often chained since the masters were afraid of them; it is not the case that all economic slaves are simply docile sumbissive slaves.

Well, if that were true we wouldn’t even be discussing this subject. Unfortunately, the case is that I don’t see many slaves around rebelling against their masters… Maybe you see quite a few more in this forum, who decided that enough is enough and started to show their finger to their previous leaders and masters. Sadly, the rest of the population is quite happy living as slaves in the hope that one day they could become masters themselves (that’s the catch of our system, by the way).

Christianity has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus; if it were we would live in a non-monetarist world; Christianity is simply a tool to control the masses; with the rise of the printing press, mass literacy and now the Interent, a process of education is taking place and many see through this hypocrisy.

That’s exactly my point. If Christians were to follow Jesus’ teachings slavery would be long gone.

Yes those who seek to free the slaves are often martyred, that is just a natural consequence of the world we live in; the spirit of revolution is always encouraged by the blood of the martyrs.

Why anyone would chose to be a martyr (like Jesus) so that all his followers would simply do the exact opposite of what he said (as history continuously demonstrates)?

Critique and Counterproposal

It is often very easy to criticise an unjust economic, it is entirely another matter to offer a better and more correct counterproposal.

You hare hardly uncritical of the current Capitalist system, but I fail to understand your solution, your counterproposal; further despite your criticisms and understanding of the evils of the current system of elites, you have a somewhat resigned and submissive attitude; further you claim that you are neither a Capitalist nor a non-Capitalist (Communist); it is not unhealthy to admit confusion when you really are confused; it is a better alternative than the arrogance of promoting an idea which you are not entirely convinced by; but might I ask you what you consider the solution to be to the current economic systerm of Capital, if you have one, or do I understand you correctly by stating that you are simply agnostic about the matter?

You’re right, it’s quite easy to criticise your position, and I have to admit it’s also unfair. But even if I didn’t have a solution myself, that wouldn’t be a reason to accept yours.

The difference between you and me is that your seek everyone to think like you do (whether by consent of by force); while I’m happy to seek my own piece of personal anarchy with my own people (or whoever wants to join in).

Surrender? I don’t think so… they’ve tried to get me back on track for most of my life, and they nearly got me; reason why I’m not willing to do the same to others: they are free to be slaves if they want to –regardless of the irony-. And please don’t say that they are forced to be slaves; as Guevara said: “I prefer to die standing than to live knelling down”.

And further since you are Spanish and you are no doubt familiar with the manifestation of the Anarchist Revolution in Spain (as opposed to Anarchism as merely political philosophy), what are your objections to such a system?

Unfortunately, there are barely any anarchists left in Spain (apart from a couple nostalgic old men that escaped the massacre –and a bunch of punks-). But if I just saw any chance of going back to that system, I wouldn’t doubt a second fighting for it; unfortunately, that is not the case, and almost the whole population is already corrupted to the core (in a sentence: there’s nothing left fighting for –regardless of the fact that you will call me a pessimist-).

One day the world will be ready to be free, until then I see no point on seeking the impossible (though I won't desist criticising anything that I'm opposed to).

zero1

16-05-2009, 12:25 AM

An excellent thread.

realy

17-05-2009, 10:43 PM

LH the spirit of this thing is being echoed for sure: http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/The-6-000-year-old-Have--by-W-Christopher-Epl-090516-244.html
I truly feel that ET and higher beings will play a huge part in this, it seems they have already been going at it for awhile. you do know the ptb and there cronies here have been working with aliens themselves for a long time. most people write stuff like this off like science fiction, but it shouldnt be as the ET factor is crucial in everything that is going on. and have any of you ever heard what sounds like distant explosions_ some below the ground and others up above?? I have been hearing weird sounds like that for some years now. here is an interesting piece from 08:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZZZZZD.htm

luciferhorus

18-05-2009, 03:49 AM

LH the spirit of this thing is being echoed for sure: . here is an interesting piece from 08:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZZZZZD.htm

Well you are considering the existence of other planets where there are slave and master revolutions.

Most Marxists would consider this outlandish and would not consider this, since Marxists share a common belief with the Christians that we are alone in the universe and unique among our many billions of solar systems, and that the human desire to fight and resist enslavement is unique to us.

I am not so sure that we are so alone in the universe and without allies and enemies who are beyond our relatively tiny solar system.

Star Wars? I tend to think so.

Luke Skywalker is the fictional Hollywood manifestation of 'Light and Love' and Lucifer who walks in the Sky, and Darth Vader (his father) is the Dark Invader and servant of the ultimate Dark Lord who is the ultimate slave master.

The most meaningful fiction is that which explains and comments upon reality.

Lux

realy

18-05-2009, 07:54 AM

Well you are considering the existence of other planets where there are slave and master revolutions.

Most Marxists would consider this outlandish and would not consider this, since Marxists share a common belief with the Christians that we are alone in the universe and unique among our many billions of solar systems, and that the human desire to fight and resist enslavement is unique to us.

I am not so sure that we are so alone in the universe and without allies and enemies who are beyond our relatively tiny solar system.

Star Wars? I tend to think so.

Luke Skywalker is the fictional Hollywood manifestation of 'Light and Love' and Lucifer who walks in the Sky, and Darth Vader (his father) is the Dark Invader and servant of the ultimate Dark Lord who is the ultimate slave master.

The most meaningful fiction is that which explains and comments upon reality.

Lux

what marxist would consider outlandish, wouldnt make a difference if aliens are here already...the reptilian thing is not a joke. anyway some of your intentions seem very noble as far as ending tyranny im for that_but dont close your mind to things that seem out of this world. "truth is strager than fiction" as they say.

luciferhorus

19-05-2009, 09:25 AM

..the reptilian thing is not a joke. anyway some of your intentions seem very noble as far as ending tyranny im for that_but dont close your mind to things that seem out of this world. "truth is strager than fiction" as they say.

On Shape Shifting reptiles

With regards to Icke's Reptilain theory, I have responded to this on a number of occasions prior on this forum.

David Icke has never claimed to have seen a person transform into a reptile, and, apart from myself, neither has anyone else on this forum, as far as I am aware; Icke simply 'believes' in the testimony of Arizona Wilder in the same way Christians 'believe' that Jesus was raised from the dead (i.e., through the testimony of others).

I have had numerous such experiences myself which were 'similar' to Arizona Wilders,' experiences, but this is simply due to a lifetime of experimenting with psychoactives; such experiences being common to those using shamanic substances; however the experience can be compared more to a lucid dream than to the experiences of sensory reality.

Angels and Demons

Frankly I would rather say that I have seen people appear to me as demons, rather than reptiles, but since the experience is similar to Arizona Wilders' testimony, I would say that it is certainly possible that she had such experiences, particularly since we know with absolute certainty that the CIA has and does kidnap people and has done so to to experiment on them with mind altering substances (google MK Ultra for example), however I was fully aware that these experiences were subjective (within my own consciousness) and not objective (evident to the 5 senses), wheras a person who is a victim of an experiment may not have the same awareness, particularly conisdering the fact that the CIA were giving victims the equivalent of a 1000 tabs of acid; I am rather sensitive to LSD and even one tab can have overwhelming effects; I dare to think what would occur with 1000; the victim would be totally overwhelmed with their inner subjective experience.

The Lucid Dream

For example when I awoke half an hour ago it was at the end of a very intense dream, at the conclusion of which the spirit of Hitler entered my room and lay down on my bed (I had been reading some essays on the Holocaust prior); it was a very real dream and I awoke with a shock convinced that Hitler was lying next to me; fortunately it was only a dream, but it seemed very real at the time and even after I awoke I was still convinced that the spirit of Hitler was in the room; similarly with psychoactives, the experience seems very real to the human consciousness, but it is not a sensory experience, though it can be an overwhelming experience and the sensory world fades from view.

Since I have never seen anyone transform into a reptile in the sensory world, and since further this there is not a wide array of testimony to this effect, I simply disbelieve that the phenomenon is objective.

During one particular LSD phase almost 30 years ago, the Devil appeared to me and tempted me, but I know for certain that it was only my father; however as I understand the experience, I believe that I was being given a vision and insight into his 'spiritual' state; the manifestation of demons is a common experience to me and to individuals who mix necromantic magick with psychoactives, particularly since one is evoking (calling upon) the ancestral realms which are both demonic and angelic.

http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/images/priest.JPG

https://godsnuts.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pope.jpg

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040923/040923_swaggart_hmed_330a.hmedium.jpg
Above: the priesthood of Capital: Christian Devils.

Capitalist and Christian Devils

If I was to say that the world is run by Capitalist Devils, and that the Christians in general are 'Devils,' and that Christianity is one of the 'Devil's' many religions, many humanists and atheists would probably accept that as a truth, and might agree with me, but they would understand the terms 'Capitalist Devils' and 'Christian Devils' metaphorically, but I can assure you that I am not speaking metaphorically; as far as I am concerned, they who worship the God of Capital become spiritually 'demonic' in appearance, but their spiritual state cannot be perceived by the 5 senses, since the physical form hides the state of the soul; this not so in the ancestral realms however, where the soul with a demonic 'mind' has a demonic appearance; we become spiritually in appearance the contents of our thoughts.

http://www.ernestocheguevara.info/pictures/ernesto_che_guevara1.jpg
Above: an angel

what marxist would consider outlandish, wouldnt make a difference if aliens are here already...

Yes the aliens (homo sapiens) have certainly arrived; our homo-sapien ancestors came here from far away some 300,000 years ago (i.e., they were cast down from heaven); Earth is our prison; we have polluted and corrupted the earth, and now in the end, factions amongst us prepare for nuclear war and apocalyptic genocide; we are not only 'alien' to this planet, amongst us are those of the most incredible evil who in time must be exterminated irrespective of the cost in human blood; such evil must be contained here on earth. That the disease of humanity should spread further throughout the universe is unthinkable. Hell is like a prison where the master of the prison and his guards are totally evil; that certainly defines the earth; this is hell; in other parts of the universe, where more advanced and intelligent life exists, the possibility of us contaminating their existence would probably not be tolerated;

http://www.popculturebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/rings-gandalf.jpg

Triumph of the Will. The purpose of the forthcoming Apocalyptic War.

The fictional tale of Luke Skywalker (Lucifer who walks in the sky) and his father Darth Vader (Dark Invader), has been played out in many ancient myths such as Horus/Set and so forth; tales which speak of the great war between the armies of heaven and hell always touch our psyche; and in almost all such tales, in the end, Lucifer (Light) prevails over Satan (Darkness), Gandalf over Suaron, the Messiah over the anti-Messiah, the Madhi over the Dijjal, but unfortunately these are all military legends of an ultimate victory over evil which is accompanied by rivers of blood.

http://forum.cabalonline.com/image.php?u=28662&dateline=1232910698

Unfortunately in order to defeat the Dark Lord Sauron, casting the magickal ring into the fires of Mordor shall require the military application of physics.

Great and Terrible and Dreadful and Wrathful shall be the Day of Judgement.

LL

Lux
Fire, plague and poisoned waters.
http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif

hadabusa

27-08-2009, 12:05 PM

Too long and too tedious to bother reading any more of this repetitive slop.

apparently not too long to post a useless oneliner

nihil

27-08-2009, 09:34 PM

keystone

27-08-2009, 11:40 PM

apparently not too long to post a useless oneliner:D

keystone

27-08-2009, 11:41 PM

nihil

27-08-2009, 11:52 PM

there's only 1 thread that goes worst than this .

the one contra buddhism - or something like that...

Phew, :(

:o

nihil

27-08-2009, 11:54 PM

http://www.ernestocheguevara.info/pictures/ernesto_che_guevara1.jpg

Above: an angel

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keystone

27-08-2009, 11:55 PM

there's only 1 thread that goes worst than this .

the one contra buddhism - or something like that...

Phew, :(

:oI have to agree with you.

Cheers

nihil

27-08-2009, 11:59 PM

a good guy LH (!) but - to me - his problem is the tentative to speak as the pope, so to speak
he giveth himself the pomposity that he just doesn't have...

better way to go LH : be vulgar, put many images here and there, some arses,
some girl with a bong between glorious titz... just an idea .

luciferhorus

28-08-2009, 02:56 PM

RESIGNATION / DEMIT FORM

I __________________________________have found that it is no longer possible for me to remain a Freemason and member of _________________________________(Lodge No., Shrine, Scottish Rite, Etc.) _________ and be true to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I hereby withdraw my membership from Freemasonry and wish to sever all ties with the organization.

Yours Respectfully,

______________________________

Address________________________

Date __________________________

If I come accross your Capitalist Christ, I will be sure to do to him all that the American Christian state terrorists did to their victims in Abu Gihrab, and that will just be for starters; it will just be foreplay for the real terror.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=543&pictureid=5076

Above: Prometheus (Lucifer) in Second Life. Terrible and Dreadful.

In my virtual life, which is a true expression of my inner mind, I have a habit of subjecting Americans to long torture sessions.

If any of you wish to RP (Role Play) the Christ and Saviour of Capitalism, and wish to experience martyrdom, please give me your Second Life username and apply for humiliation, total submission and domination.

I will expect you to wear the collar of a slave.

You may expect nothing less than extreme RP torture, humiliation and feminisation; you may used as a public sexual object and be forced to have sex with animals.

All voice chat and text chat will be recorded; all text chat logs may be placed on forums such as this for the purpose of public humiliation.

No anonymous avatars please; I will expect your avatar to lead to your RL (Real Life) website or a site giving information about who you really are. I will insist on a phone number and voice and ID verification. I will also insist up SL (Second Life) retaining your ID information; go to www.secondlife.com and go through the adult verification process.

Some of you may think that it is impossible to martyr a person in SL; I would recommend you study RLV (restricted life) software before applying; if you have 'public slut' tatooed on you, are locked in a cage, denied of IM (personal messages), forbidden to speak in public chat and cannot teleport, you stay there there unitl your master releases you, and that could be months or years, or untill you figure out RLV software.

Either that or just wait until the point of physical death, and your soul will be mine anyway to do with as I please. By the way this does not apply to the Anarchists here on this forum; you will be free to wander the gardens of paradise for all eternity and your 144 virgins await you.

The problem with all this of course for we Anarchists, is that in the future it will become commonplace for the government to lock prisioners and dissidents to a Real Life chair, attach a visor to their foreheads and force them through such experiences for months, weeks and even years on end.
For those of you who think that the virtual world is not real, I can assure you that at the end of such an experience through hell that the victim would be totally psychologically transformed, traumatised and reduced to a slave; it is a process I have subjected myself to for the purpose of psychological study. I am now free; I am now master. Terrible and Dreadful and Wrathful shall be my vengeance.

Love and Light

Lucifer
No Mercy.

edelweiss pirate

28-08-2009, 04:14 PM

If I come accross your Capitalist Christ, I will be sure to do to him all that the American Christian state terrorists did to their victims in Abu Gihrab, and that will just be for starters; it will just be foreplay for the real terror.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=543&pictureid=5076

Above: Prometheus (Lucifer) in Second Life. Terrible and Dreadful.

In my virtual life, which is a true expression of my inner mind, I have a habit of subjecting Americans to long torture sessions.

If any of you wish to RP (Role Play) the Christ and Saviour of Capitalism, and wish to experience martyrdom, please give me your Second Life username and apply for humiliation, total submission and domination.

I will expect you to wear the collar of a slave.

You may expect nothing less than extreme RP torture, humiliation and feminisation; you may used as a public sexual object and be forced to have sex with animals.

All voice chat and text chat will be recorded; all text chat logs may be placed on forums such as this for the purpose of public humiliation.

No anonymous avatars please; I will expect your avatar to lead to your RL (Real Life) website or a site giving information about who you really are. I will insist on a phone number and voice and ID verification. I will also insist up SL (Second Life) retaining your ID information; go to www.secondlife.com and go through the adult verification process.

Some of you may think that it is impossible to martyr a person in SL; I would recommend you study RLV (restricted life) software before applying; if you have 'public slut' tatooed on you, are locked in a cage, denied of IM (personal messages), forbidden to speak in public chat and cannot teleport, you stay there there unitl your master releases you, and that could be months or years, or untill you figure out RLV software.

Either that or just wait until the point of physical death, and your soul will be mine anyway to do with as I please. By the way this does not apply to the Anarchists here on this forum; you will be free to wander the gardens of paradise for all eternity and your 144 virgins await you.

The problem with all this of course for we Anarchists, is that in the future it will become commonplace for the government to lock prisioners and dissidents to a Real Life chair, attach a visor to their foreheads and force them through such experiences for months, weeks and even years on end.
For those of you who think that the virtual world is not real, I can assure you that at the end of such an experience through hell that the victim would be totally psychologically transformed, traumatised and reduced to a slave; it is a process I have subjected myself to for the purpose of psychological study. I am now free; I am now master. Terrible and Dreadful and Wrathful shall be my vengeance.

Love and Light

Lucifer
No Mercy.

Wunderbar! I didn't know the world needed another Tyrant!

Stop taking the piss this is a serious forum.

nihil

28-08-2009, 04:17 PM

:o funny, a poor devil who talks against capitalism and jesus christ...

advertising a place on 2nd life - a virtual idiocy with its own money .

nihil

28-08-2009, 04:18 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=543&pictureid=5076

Above: Terrible and Dreadful.

...indeed

karlbenjedi

30-08-2009, 02:17 AM

What's your point? :confused:

Burnt at the stake
(From biblical times to Wako)

Origins

Burning someone to death (or burnt at the stake) has been common practice as punishment for a variety of *crimes* as adultery, heresy or witchcraft. The first mention of this predominantly Christian practices comes for the Genesis itself, which describes how Judah condemned Tamar to this horrible and painful death [1].

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Rembrandt%27s_school_Tamar.JPG/250px-Rembrandt%27s_school_Tamar.JPG
Judah and Tamar

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The Tamar Drama

As we recall, in addition to the Joseph drama, the Midrash and Rashi present a second meaning in Jacob's final words to Judah, "From the prey, my son, you elevated yourself." According to this interpretation, Jacob was alluding to the event that took place between Judah and his daughter-in-law, Tamar.

Tamar, we recall, had married, in succession, Judah's two elder sons, both of whom had died, leaving her a childless widow. Judah, fearing that his third son would share their fate, withheld him from her, thus leaving her unable to remarry and have children, since the levirate laws of marriage at the time held that when a husband died and left a childless widow, she was bound in marriage to either her brother-in-law or her father-in-law.19

Once she understands her situation, Tamar disguises herself as a prostitute. Judah encounters her and they are intimate with each other. She becomes pregnant. Judah, unaware of the disguise, concludes that she must have had a forbidden relationship and orders her to be put to death by burning. At this point, Tamar, who, while disguised, had taken Judah's seal, cord and staff as a pledge, sends them to Judah with a message: "The father of my child is the man to whom these belong." Judah now understands the whole story. Not only has he placed Tamar in an impossible situation of grass widowhood, and not only is he the father of her child, but he also realizes that she has behaved with extraordinary discretion in revealing the truth without shaming him. (It is from this act of Tamar's that we derive the rule that "one should rather throw oneself into a fiery furnace than shame someone else in public."20)

Judah admits he was wrong. "She is right!" he exclaims. "It is from me [that she has become pregnant]." Tamar's life, of course, is spared. She soon gives birth to twins, Peretz and Zerach, the former becoming the ancestor of King David.

This, then, explains the meaning behind Jacob's words, "From the prey, my son, you elevated yourself." Judah was a "man of prey" who sentenced Tamar to death. Yet at the last moment he confessed his guilt and rescued Tamar and her unborn twins from death. Because of this he was conferred with the power of kingship.

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/345975/jewish/Spirituality-vs-Leadership.htm

Your facts about Tamar being Burned are incorrect.The sentence was never carried out for the reasons stated above.

Fraternally

Bro.Karl Ben-Jedi

luciferhorus

30-08-2009, 02:32 AM

:o funny, a poor devil who talks against capitalism and jesus christ...

advertising a place on 2nd life - a virtual idiocy with its own money .

My VR sim is non-commercial; I am not advertising a "product"

My Abbey of Thelema costs me dearly, but I do not extract a single cent or Linden from anyone in that realm.

I hunt human souls.

Your money is worthless.

I seek ardently the Capitalist Christ.

I will not submit to him; I promise him only the most terrible torture and retribution.

Send him to me so that I may do as I will with him.
:-)

I can call, Christ, Christ, Christ all day long, and he never appears before me.

He is too terrified, because he knows what I will do to him.

Love and Light

Lucifer

flyermay

30-08-2009, 11:00 AM

The Tamar Drama

As we recall, in addition to the Joseph drama, the Midrash and Rashi present a second meaning in Jacob's final words to Judah, "From the prey, my son, you elevated yourself." According to this interpretation, Jacob was alluding to the event that took place between Judah and his daughter-in-law, Tamar.

Tamar, we recall, had married, in succession, Judah's two elder sons, both of whom had died, leaving her a childless widow. Judah, fearing that his third son would share their fate, withheld him from her, thus leaving her unable to remarry and have children, since the levirate laws of marriage at the time held that when a husband died and left a childless widow, she was bound in marriage to either her brother-in-law or her father-in-law.19

Once she understands her situation, Tamar disguises herself as a prostitute. Judah encounters her and they are intimate with each other. She becomes pregnant. Judah, unaware of the disguise, concludes that she must have had a forbidden relationship and orders her to be put to death by burning. At this point, Tamar, who, while disguised, had taken Judah's seal, cord and staff as a pledge, sends them to Judah with a message: "The father of my child is the man to whom these belong." Judah now understands the whole story. Not only has he placed Tamar in an impossible situation of grass widowhood, and not only is he the father of her child, but he also realizes that she has behaved with extraordinary discretion in revealing the truth without shaming him. (It is from this act of Tamar's that we derive the rule that "one should rather throw oneself into a fiery furnace than shame someone else in public."20)

Judah admits he was wrong. "She is right!" he exclaims. "It is from me [that she has become pregnant]." Tamar's life, of course, is spared. She soon gives birth to twins, Peretz and Zerach, the former becoming the ancestor of King David.

This, then, explains the meaning behind Jacob's words, "From the prey, my son, you elevated yourself." Judah was a "man of prey" who sentenced Tamar to death. Yet at the last moment he confessed his guilt and rescued Tamar and her unborn twins from death. Because of this he was conferred with the power of kingship.

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/345975/jewish/Spirituality-vs-Leadership.htm

Your facts about Tamar being Burned are incorrect.The sentence was never carried out for the reasons stated above.

Fraternally

Bro.Karl Ben-Jedi

Thanks karlbenjedi, but my post says that it is the first written mention of burning someone at the same, proving that it was common practice during biblical times, and not that Tamar was burnt at the stake.

nihil

30-08-2009, 01:52 PM

:confused:

Lovely Biz and Virtual Lights,

Lucifer

realy

30-08-2009, 06:49 PM

My VR sim is non-commercial; I am not advertising a "product"

My Abbey of Thelema costs me dearly, but I do not extract a single cent or Linden from anyone in that realm.

I hunt human souls.

Your money is worthless.

I seek ardently the Capitalist Christ.

I will not submit to him; I promise him only the most terrible torture and retribution.

Send him to me so that I may do as I will with him.
:-)

I can call, Christ, Christ, Christ all day long, and he never appears before me.

He is too terrified, because he knows what I will do to him.

Love and Light

Lucifer

hahahahaha some souls need to be hunted down no doubt!

edelweiss pirate

31-08-2009, 08:50 PM

My VR sim is non-commercial; I am not advertising a "product"

My Abbey of Thelema costs me dearly, but I do not extract a single cent or Linden from anyone in that realm.

I hunt human souls.

Your money is worthless.

I seek ardently the Capitalist Christ.

I will not submit to him; I promise him only the most terrible torture and retribution.

Send him to me so that I may do as I will with him.
:-)

I can call, Christ, Christ, Christ all day long, and he never appears before me.

He is too terrified, because he knows what I will do to him.

Love and Light

Lucifer

Is there any rhyme and reason to your madness?... I'm reading between the lines and you're still not making any sense.....

I think you've been a wiccan too long mate.

PS I am Christ... let's rummmmmmmble!