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uncia

11-05-2009, 12:08 AM

He's Iranian, I think.

More self-proclaimed Maitreyas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya)

The following people listed are just a small portion of the several people who claimed themselves to be Maitreya. Many have either used the Maitreya incarnation claim to form a new Buddhist sect or have used the name of Maitreya to form a new religious movement or cult.

* Gung Ye, a Korean warlord and king of short-lived state of Taebong during the 10th century, claimed himself as living incarnation of Maitreya and ordered his subjects to worship him. His claim was widely rejected by most Buddhist monks and later he was dethroned and killed by his own servants.
* In 613 the monk Xiang Haiming claimed himself Maitreya and adopted imperial title.[13]
* In 690 Empress Wu inaugurated the Second Zhou dynasty, proclaimed herself an incarnation of the future Buddha Maitreya, and made Luoyang the "holy capital." In 693 she replaced the compulsory Dao De Jing in the curriculum temporarily with her own Rules for Officials. [14]
* Lu Zhong Yi, the 17th patriarch of I-Kuan Tao, claimed to be an incarnation of Maitreya.
* L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Dianetics and Scientology, suggested he was "Metteya" (Maitreya) in the 1955 poem Hymn of Asia. His editors indicated, in the book's preface, specific physical characteristics said to be outlined -- in unnamed Sanskrit sources -- as properties of the coming Maitreya; properties which Hubbard's appearance supposedly aligned with.
* Raël's Maitreya claims[1] center on the content of the Agama Sutra (Japanese: Agon Sutra)[15], supposedly a very ancient text written by Buddha himself, but which has been deemphasized or forgotten by the majority of Buddhist cultures.[16] Raël has claimed directly to people attending Asia Raëlian Church seminars, that someone born in France, a country which is often symbolized by the cock (or rooster), west of the Orient, meets the criteria of the Maitreya. Rael himself claims to be this individual.[17]

zero1

11-05-2009, 01:16 AM

More self-proclaimed Maitreyas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya)

I get it, he's not the first Maitreya claimant...:rolleyes:

But this current one certainly is being taken seriously by some serious people, for whatever reason...

majorlee

11-05-2009, 01:39 AM

* Raël's Maitreya claims[1] center on the content of the Agama Sutra (Japanese: Agon Sutra)[15], supposedly a very ancient text written by Buddha himself, but which has been deemphasized or forgotten by the majority of Buddhist cultures.[16] Raël has claimed directly to people attending Asia Raëlian Church seminars, that someone born in France, a country which is often symbolized by the cock (or rooster), west of the Orient, meets the criteria of the Maitreya. Rael himself claims to be this individual.[17]]

nice site here explains it a bit more in detail about Rael and his Maitreya connections....

It says that Miroku, or Maitreya in Sanskrit, will be born in a country that has a king of chickens. Then where is this country of chickens ? It is France, where Rael was actually born. The French people were originally called Gauls and their land was also called Gaul. Gaul means chikens. That is why the French national bird is the cock, and a rooster logo can be seen on the breast of French football uniforms. Moreover the name of the French president at the time Rael was born was De Gaule, so the prediction of country with a king of chickens has proved accurate. Oh, yes, the Elohim had planned the birth of Rael from as long as three thousand years ago.

http://www.spaceagogo.com/e%20episode1.html

luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 01:45 AM

All the saviour figures to virtually all religions, the Maitreya is here; who is Christ, who is Buddha, who is Mahdi, who is Messiah, who is descendent of Mohammed, etc. There is a living guy who claims to be he.

Check him and is cult out - Maitreya.org (http://www.maitreya.org/english/INDEX.HTM)

This guy apparently speaks @ the UN, to political bigwigs and globalists.

The link is safe, trust me, I can't post text from it because there is too much and it wouldn't make sense piecemeal.

Was wondering if you had any opinion of this guy..?

I have personally met Benjamin Creme (a/k/a 'Bill' who runs this cult) in London some years ago; he is a fellow Glaswegian and he is simply a very effective hypnotist as far as gullible innocents are concerned; his hypnotic keyword is 'spritual, spritual, spiritual etc' repeated incessantly to the sounds of weeping (mostly female) cutlists; I sat through a couple of hours of his channeling session attempting to keep awake and to avoid breaking out into laughter; fortunately religious hypnosis does not work on those (such as myself) who have studied religious hypnosis (the study of religion) for years.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/revue.shakti/bcreme.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Creme

'Bill' has had regular meetings in London. As I understand it, 'Bill' channels the Maitraya who is a spiritual being who incarnated through various religious figures in history; the Ethiopian looking Maitraya has only appeared on earth on very few occassions and has left glaswegian Bill in charge as his sole spokesman; he is 'Christ' with a Glaswegian accent and a pool of cultists who donate money to him.

http://www.luciferia.tv/3seal_files/image001.jpg

I also have a Glaswegian accent and I offer cut price salvation; I offer to beat any price offered by my competitors by at least 50% or your money back in the afterlife. I am also much better looking than Bill, I don't charge for sex, and I have never had any complaints.

I first offered this cut price offer on slavation on the Internet in the mid 90's; unfortunately nobody has yet to take up my offer, since my Internet sites have always been an anti-monetarist, anti-cult sites; somehow I seem to have shot myself in the foot with regards to selling salvation for Capitalist coin

I also offer 144 virgins in paradise (the Muslims offer 72) to all martyrs of Communist, anti-Christian revolution.

LL

Lux

zero1

11-05-2009, 01:53 AM

I have personally met Benjamin Creme (a/k/a 'Bill' who runs this cult) in London some years ago; he is a fellow Glaswegian and he is simply a very effective hypnotist as far as gullible innocents are concerned; his hypnotic keyword is 'spritual, spritual, spiritual etc' repeated incessantly to the sounds of weeping (mostly female) cutlists; I sat through a couple of hours of his channeling session attempting to keep awake and to avoid breaking out into laughter; fortunately religious hypnosis does not work on those (such as myself) who have studied religious hypnosis (the study of religion) for years.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/revue.shakti/bcreme.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Creme

'Bill' has had regular meetings in London. As I understand it, 'Bill' channels the Maitraya who is a spiritual being who incarnated through various religious figures in history; the Ethiopian looking Maitraya has only appeared on earth on very few occassions and has left glaswegian Bill in charge as his sole spokesman; he is 'Christ' with a Glaswegian accent and a pool of cultists who donate money to him.

http://www.luciferia.tv/3seal_files/image001.jpg

I also have a Glaswegian accent and I offer cut price salvation; I offer to beat any price offered by my competitors by at least 50% or your money back in the afterlife. I am also much better looking than Bill, I don't charge for sex, and I have never had any complaints.

I first offered this cut price offer on slavation on the Internet in the mid 90's; unfortunately nobody has yet to take up my offer, since my Internet sites have always been an anti-monetarist, anti-cult sites; somehow I seem to have shot myself in the foot with regards to selling salvation for Capitalist coin

I also offer 144 virgins in paradise (the Muslims offer 72) to all martyrs of Communist, anti-Christian revolution.

LL

Lux

Lucifer, thanks so much, great post. You know him!

And where have I heard the name Benjamin Creme before, right here on these forums even..?

Lucifer, you don't offer cultic hypnosis and cheap sex for Capitalist coin, I am quite satisfied based upon your many excellent and insightful posts on here that you are way above that.

But given that there are so many fools out there, it can be tempting to both human and divine nature to want to exploit their gullibility if it suits, no? :);)

Thanks again for the information, Shining One.

Love & Light to u,

Z1

majorlee

11-05-2009, 01:58 AM

I have personally met Benjamin Creme (a/k/a 'Bill' who runs this cult) in London some years ago; he is a fellow Glaswegian and he is simply a very effective hypnotist as far as gullible innocents are concerned; his hypnotic keyword is 'spritual, spritual, spiritual etc' repeated incessantly to the sounds of weeping (mostly female) cutlists; I sat through a couple of hours of his channeling session attempting to keep awake and to avoid breaking out into laughter; fortunately religious hypnosis does not work on those (such as myself) who have studied religious hypnosis (the study of religion) for years.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/revue.shakti/bcreme.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Creme

'Bill' has had regular meetings in London. As I understand it, 'Bill' channels the Maitraya who is a spiritual being who incarnated through various religious figures in history; the Ethiopian looking Maitraya has only appeared on earth on very few occassions and has left glaswegian Bill in charge as his sole spokesman; he is 'Christ' with a Glaswegian accent and a pool of cultists who donate money to him.

http://www.luciferia.tv/3seal_files/image001.jpg

I also have a Glaswegian accent and I offer cut price salvation; I offer to beat any price offered by my competitors by at least 50% or your money back in the afterlife. I am also much better looking than Bill, I don't charge for sex, and I have never had any complaints.

I first offered this cut price offer on slavation on the Internet in the mid 90's; unfortunately nobody has yet to take up my offer, since my Internet sites have always been an anti-monetarist, anti-cult sites; somehow I seem to have shot myself in the foot with regards to selling salvation for Capitalist coin

I also offer 144 virgins in paradise (the Muslims offer 72) to all martyrs of Communist, anti-Christian revolution.

LL

Lux

do u have a paypal address i can donate my life savings too? :p

merlincove

11-05-2009, 02:08 AM

http://www.luciferia.tv/3seal_files/image001.jpg

I also have a Glaswegian accent and I offer cut price salvation; I offer to beat any price offered by my competitors by at least 50% or your money back in the afterlife. I am also much better looking than Bill, I don't charge for sex, and I have never had any complaints.

I first offered this cut price offer on slavation on the Internet in the mid 90's; unfortunately nobody has yet to take up my offer, since my Internet sites have always been an anti-monetarist, anti-cult sites; somehow I seem to have shot myself in the foot with regards to selling salvation for Capitalist coin

I also offer 144 virgins in paradise (the Muslims offer 72) to all martyrs of Communist, anti-Christian revolution.

LL

Lux

lol, great post, luciferia ~ though i'm not in the market for guy loving at the mo man :rolleyes:

there is a Maitreya in Nottingham some place, he has a healing / meditation centre that i've been meaning to go to for a few years and not got around to it yet, which maybe is a potent in itself lol

Anyone who claims to channel these perfect beings, in my mind, i feel is a fraudster - especially where financial and sexual gains are in evidence, there are so many books being written by these people, white eagle and zoosh are perfect examples.

If we need such heavenly guidance then the ascended ones would be amongst us, sharing their wisdom, shunning the lure of money and self gratification.

And maybe they are, maybe those who come into contact with them touch their beauty and allow it to move on to the next person, maybe those ascended beings are that very road less travelled. Maybe the ascended being is the guy sitting on the corner with a tin and a dog on a rope?

We don't need these guys, we just need to open our eyes and see that road before us.

kimball13

11-05-2009, 03:05 AM

nice site here explains it a bit more in detail about Rael and his Maitreya connections....

It says that Miroku, or Maitreya in Sanskrit, will be born in a country that has a king of chickens. Then where is this country of chickens ? It is France, where Rael was actually born. The French people were originally called Gauls and their land was also called Gaul. Gaul means chikens. That is why the French national bird is the cock, and a rooster logo can be seen on the breast of French football uniforms. Moreover the name of the French president at the time Rael was born was De Gaule, so the prediction of country with a king of chickens has proved accurate. Oh, yes, the Elohim had planned the birth of Rael from as long as three thousand years ago.

http://www.spaceagogo.com/e%20episode1.html

Must be talking about good old USA of AMerica, The KFC, The colonel,.
If you were a couple of thousand years or so ago and had a vision of KFC or Foster farms you might think that the colonal is a king of chickens.
Visions can be a biotch and there itnerpetations.

and as far as Maitreya goe's what ive gathered is his spititual practice of having his people send there energy to him to use is a form of vampirism(spiritual vamperism),,,,,,,,,,,,,,hes doing it in reverse of how he should be doing it if energy transference is taking place.

i heard hes in the UK and thats were his base is,,,,,,,,,,,makes sense that the queen would have him there,,,,,,,,,im going to read some on this and see what comes up,,,,,,,,,,,ive bin waiting for this particular subject to come up for some very good reasons;),,,,,,,,,,and i didnt know he was Iranian.

a clue i learned is this,,,,,,,,,,,,,Religion is the oldest profesion followed closely by intelligence and prostitution the it is war that follows one of the three,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now fast forward to the 1900's and the intel comunity going full swing using prostitutes during the 70's inensly and what the Vatican has done,,,,,,,,,,,,so it looks like intel and prostetution have decided to create there own Religion and God.

ill stop there and gather my thought because this goes so many diffent dirrections it is difficult to write it in a linear fashion.

As he (matreya claimant)) has had many send him positive energy and life force energy they have bin sending negitive evil energy at the real spiritual peoples and attacking the real matreya.

so it works like this the fake one convinces others to send good mojo to cover up his real nature as he had them send nagitive evil bile at the real ones thus couseing the good ones to look ad smell bad spiritualy while he just keeps putting on the good smelling vibes of others. Uhoh another grail secret as well as part of the cellestine prophecy books.

Anther way to describe it is just like the batteries in the movie matrix. Actualy that story is a metaphor, just the matrix is corpate and intel communitys and they think they can elevate themselves to the level of gods, they are so arrogant they think they can order angels.
KFC
King oF Chickens=KFC=Kentucky fried chickens,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh and thats a funny story of a drunk and alcholic on the train tracks and the birth of an american institution in Mormon contry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh and if we are connecting dots in very abstract as well as obviously solid ways then Kimball would come into this picture on many levels in the ways of founders, maybe i will make a list of things someday of the things done by some that others took the credit for because they could take the credit and spread it around because realy the originator could do many things and it is was so much you could spread it out amongst others and it still looks impressive parted out and others taking peices and calling them whole.

So externalitys were allowed and even helped to be created(they were going to do it anyway). Sometimes as simple as telling them what would happen if they took a match to gas, showing them how to do it, and what to do with it after words and warned them what would happen if they got selfish,,,,,,,,,,,,in otherwords i said i dont need credit but i may need assistance, also i said that if they stabbed me in the bakc what would happen,,,,,,,,,,i gave complet warnings as well as what may happen.
But God reassured me every time i handed a huge diamond there way, the diamond will survive they might not. And the time would come that even though they have corrupted much of it there is still that core essence present that can be accessed thus turning there machinery against them and for us,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in other words even if the creator gives you access and permissions to his creation and complete control, the creator still has dominion over the foundation and nothing stands or is effective if the foundation dissagrees.

How does it go,,,,,,,,,,,a true master never reveils all,,,,,,,,,,,,,some think this has to do with secrets,,,,,,,,,,,,,that is a missinterpetation of the saying,,,,,,,it means a true teacher/master knows that the deaper teachings are not contained in words or knowledg thus are safe no matter what he teaches his student and if the time comes to put student in there place that wisdom is accessed, the spring of life is taken in,,,,,,,,,,,,thus drawing energy from the source rather than others like matreya is doing,,,,,,,,,,,,they think they found a work around a loophole to do what they want,,,,,,,,,,,,wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hear is another way to put it, Matreya is illegaly jacking into you cable or electricity, he is denied access from the power plant itself so he collects it from his students that are still able to acces it because ofthere inocents,,,,,,,,,or ignorance and they are favored because they are not the real sickness, crazy huh but true, it is hard to put this in words because some concepts are reversed in a way.

Another way to put it is,,,,,,Matreya is the drug dealer on the corner convincing the kids with allowances to go home and get more money to party with,,,,,,he will make them feal good,,,,,,,,,,,,,go from there.
Did i mention mom and dad are on to his game.

kimball13

11-05-2009, 03:09 AM

I have personally met Benjamin Creme (a/k/a 'Bill' who runs this cult) in London some years ago; he is a fellow Glaswegian and he is simply a very effective hypnotist as far as gullible innocents are concerned; his hypnotic keyword is 'spritual, spritual, spiritual etc' repeated incessantly to the sounds of weeping (mostly female) cutlists; I sat through a couple of hours of his channeling session attempting to keep awake and to avoid breaking out into laughter; fortunately religious hypnosis does not work on those (such as myself) who have studied religious hypnosis (the study of religion) for years.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/revue.shakti/bcreme.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Creme

'Bill' has had regular meetings in London. As I understand it, 'Bill' channels the Maitraya who is a spiritual being who incarnated through various religious figures in history; the Ethiopian looking Maitraya has only appeared on earth on very few occassions and has left glaswegian Bill in charge as his sole spokesman; he is 'Christ' with a Glaswegian accent and a pool of cultists who donate money to him.

http://www.luciferia.tv/3seal_files/image001.jpg

I also have a Glaswegian accent and I offer cut price salvation; I offer to beat any price offered by my competitors by at least 50% or your money back in the afterlife. I am also much better looking than Bill, I don't charge for sex, and I have never had any complaints.

I first offered this cut price offer on slavation on the Internet in the mid 90's; unfortunately nobody has yet to take up my offer, since my Internet sites have always been an anti-monetarist, anti-cult sites; somehow I seem to have shot myself in the foot with regards to selling salvation for Capitalist coin

I also offer 144 virgins in paradise (the Muslims offer 72) to all martyrs of Communist, anti-Christian revolution.

LL

Lux

Creme explains it all,,,,,,,,,,,,just like a dope dealer on the corner,,,,,,,,,,,,just diffent clothes age and product, diffent species need diffent highs. and his hypnosis is a dead give away,,,,,,,,,,,dont go for charisma,,,,,,,,,,why do people make that mistake so much,,,,,,,,,,,,,listen with your heart rather than your emotional mind.

kimball13

11-05-2009, 03:27 AM

"For as the lightening cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be." (Matthew 24:27)
"The treasure is returning from the West" (Maitreya, Lord of the World, by Dr. M. Doreal).

his claim,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i could say the same thing and along with life expereinces and such as well as names given to me by non-christians meaning exactly that actualy give more credibility than he can muster. It downed on me along time ago that if tehy did not mesure up more that i did then there is no way it could be them and this has kept me from joining any matreya or the likes,,,,,,,,,,,and when if ran into them ive also noticed the interest they take in me as well as they try to make me there servant and assistant while they pump me for knowledge and such to try to justifie themselves throught the favor of those they fooled.

Let me see, New york is east coast, california is west, as a itty bitty and according to old ways a person is born at conception so even though in momys womb i was stll spirited away,,,,,,,what better way to hide and get trhought there watch dogs than to slipp through a known loophole so to speak...........oh matrey is going to realy be pissed:Di sure hope he read my e-mail. Did i mention my grandpa had a large chicken ranch which is now foster farms example ranch,,,,,,,,,,no chicken kings hear or wass i born in the land of a chicken king.:cool:Visions are a biotch to interpet and there is a reason,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i loved that movie bullet proof monk.

kimball13

11-05-2009, 03:28 AM

"In the chanting, He (The Great Spirit) has said that He is expected in the east, but also expected in the west" (Naturegraph Publishers, Inc, 1963).

kimball13

11-05-2009, 04:05 AM

"For as the lightening cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be." (Matthew 24:27)

Maitreya was born in 1944 in Tehran (as we have previously seen) and His grandfathers were renowned religious leaders, so he was literally born the son of a Brahmin. His grandfathers lived in a village called Shahrasar (Shambala!), in one of the northern provinces of Iran/Tehran. Maitreya’s grandfather was the high priest for eighty villages in that province and had great control on what was going on in them. We know that many Hindus are awaiting the coming of Kalki from the West of India, and Persia (Iran) is west of India. The Kalki Avatar is the final prophetic figure in Hindu literature and is the equivalent to the Seventh Angel in the Bible. This point will be clarified later on in the section called 'The Kalki Avatar or Hindus Prophesies.'

and hear to i can say i am of the same clothe in a sense,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,why doesnt he say the name Metatron or Jehoel both the same angel,,,,,,,,,,,,aka Kalki, oh why doesnt he know that simple truth,,,,,,,,oh ya it would take the real one to know that,,,,,,,,,,,,,and what if the names of the angel where similare to the real person.

the names of this angel/man, also known as the heavenly son of man, thus eluding to this angel being part human to:eek:

Jehoel Metatron Kemuel, aka Kalki, aka rider of the white horse called faithful and true, his name (metatron) is the Word of God, on his thigh is a name only known to him and God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the term King of Kings LOrd of lords is more of a duty or department worked for,,,,,,,,or maybe he is the chief king and lord,,,,after all he is the chief angel,,,,,,,,,if angels are lords and men are kings then this would make sense.

Now the confusion is this,,,,,,,,,,,Kalki is not Jesus, so this is peoples delema, he is given similar titles and authority, heck hes almost like an identicle twin in some ways,,,,,,,,,,,,,the differnece is this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,God sent his sone here to teach and such,,,,,,,,,,,,so this to happend in Heaven, the son of man was taken to heaven taking the place of Satan,,,,,,,,,,after all what better justice that to have one from the very race done the greatest harm by this entity the position and authourity of his oppresor;),,,,,,,,,,,,it is difficult to just get someone to listen but after that anf if someone wants to take very little time in studying the entire subject in the bible,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya the heavenly son of man is also the angel that guards the garden of eden,,,,,,,,,it goes even deaper involveing what might be called space time distortion or not. Imagine that the very creature Satan was jeoulose about was given his seat next to God. now for more of the details.

It was i think Mosses or Enoch, probley mosses the whole calf thing and why mosses freaked big time when he got back and saw them worshiping the calf here is the back story.

Mosses is taken to heaven for an audeince with God,,,,,,,,,,he walks into the throne room and sees a divine creature sitting at a table writting, sudenly mosses gets on his knees and starts to worship this angel saying i knew there was another one up hear equal to God i knew there were two,,,,,,,the angel Jehoel tells him to get up and stop that, Jehoel tells him never to do that again, i am not to be worshipped i am a servant of God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Then God comes in and sees what has taken place and to teach Mosses a lesson to never place anyone in the same place as God He(God) punishes Jehoel with 60 lashes in front of Mosses, and tells mosses even though the heavenly son of man did not sin he still submits to God and only God for punishment without rebelion, showing that God is greater because God is the only one that can punish, He(God)can not punish himself or an equal,,,,,,,,,,,,,and also it was a form of taking the sin of man, sacraficing himself to being punished by God for mosses ignorance and to make it clear and to the point that sometimes it is the angels punished in place of man because of such ignorance.

It was also just as is in heaven it is reflected hear,,,,,,,,,the war between heaven and hell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it also showed Jehoels obediance and loyalty to God and Man to willingly be punished by the Hand of God himself just as Christ was punished by Man,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,What better protector could Christ have than Jehoel,,,,,,,,,,,so also because of how well Jehoel has fullfiled his station this has caused even more jeoulouse from satan.

Oh ya another important part is this,,,,,,,,,,,,the Vatican tried to erase this angel from records,,,,,for obviose reasons,,,,,,,,,,,they also where kinda hoping that Jehoel would get worshiped and mistooken for Christ or the Anti-christ and get punished again by God,,,,,,,,,,,,or maybe even become rebelios like satan,,,,,,,,,,the diffence between Jehoel and Satan is a soul,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just as it was written it was satans lack of a soul tht was his downfall so it took a part man part angel ordained by God to take that seat,,,,,,,,,,,the diffence between Christ and Jehoel is this Jehoel is a bit more Angel than Christ is,,,,,,,,,,,,hence why Christs sinlessness is honored, it is almost like breathing for an angel of God to not sin,,,,,,,,,so even though Jehoel has a sinfull nature from his human side his angelic nature overides it with the help of the human soul,,,,,,,,,,,,after all when doing what Jehoel does it would drive a full angel to a bit of madness looking into the sinfull nature of many,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its allot of weekness becomeing strengths to counter the strengths when they become weaknesses,,,,,,,balance is very complex.

ex_anser_ovo

11-05-2009, 04:19 AM

Isn't this Maitreya guy, the boy who helped saved Fantasia.
Oh wait that was Atreyu. :confused:

luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 07:14 AM

do u have a paypal address i can donate my life savings too?

In October 1517 some parishioners return to Wittenberg with indulgences which they have bought from Tetzel - indulgences so powerful, some have been led to believe, that they could pardon a man who had raped the Virgin Mary.

HISTORY OF THE PAPACY http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=hlo

Well dear Kimball, I forgot to mention that for 'life savings' I have a 'special Papal Indulgence.

One of the main accusations against the Catholic Church during the Religious Reformation was the accusation that the Church sold full forgiveness for sins not yet committed;' i.e., if you paid enough money, all your past, present 'and' future sins would be forgiven.

http://www.mattbors.com/images/Indulgences.gif

"The first grace is the complete remission of all sins; and nothing greater than this can be named, since man, who lives in sin and forfeits the favor of God, obtains complete remission by these means and once more enjoys God's favor; moreover, through this remission of sins the punishment which one is obliged to undergo in purgatory on account of the affront to the Divine Majesty is all remitted, and the pains of purgatory completely blotted out. And although nothing is precious enough to be given in exchange for such a grace, - since it is a free gift of God and a grace beyond price, - yet in order that Christian believers may be the more easily induced to procure the same, we establish the following rules, to wit:........

Kings and queens and their offspring, archbishops and bishops, and other great rulers, provided they seek the places where the cross is raised, or otherwise present themselves, shall pay at least five and twenty Rhenish guilders in gold. Abbots and the great prelates of cathedral churches, counts, barons, and others of the higher nobility, together with their consorts, shall pay for each letter of indulgence ten such guilders. Other lesser prelates and nobles, as also the rectors of celebrated places, and all others who, either from permanent incomes or merchandise, or otherwise, enjoy a total yearly revenue of five hundred gold guilders, shall pay six such guilders. Other citizens and tradespeople and artisans, who have individual incomes and families of their own,. shall pay one such guilder; those of less means, only a half."

EXCERPTS FROM THE “INSTRUCTIONS” TO THOSE OFFERING PAPAL INDULGENCES IN GERMANY (1515) http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/indulgences.htm

Of course bear in mind that 'five and twenty Rhenish guilders in gold' covers only remission of past sins; for the remission of future sins also, a greater price was extracted.

It is hard to know exactly how 'undercut' the price on the remission of future sins by 50%, since the price is unknown, but fear not oh little ones, I think that 'life's savings' might be acceptable for some future sins.

Not to be beaten on price by the Christians, since there is a recession on, and many in Capitalism have zero savings and are in fact in debt, and yet the non-Catholic Christians on the Internet continue to offer salvation to devotees of the god of Capital even for no coin to such individuals, it is hard to know how to beat price of zero by 50%.

But fear not oh Children of Eden, I suppose that if the penitent soul offers themselves fully to anti-Capitalist revolution that the reward of 144 virgins in paradise would apply.

http://wikicompany.org/wiki/images/Pinochet_pope1.jpg
Above: Mass murderer General Pinochet of Chile with Pope John Paul.

Since Margaret Thatcher's 'close friend' the late General Pinochet, a lifetime Catholic, was responsible for the Sept 11th, 1973 CIA backed coup and the consequent arrest and torture 30,000 Chileans of the political Left, including the rape of many and the murder or dissapearance of about 10,000, I must add a disclaimer that my 'special Papal Indulgence' which includes the remission of 'some' future sins, only refers to some of the 'sins' as defined by the Christian Church, those which consitute the 'sin of restriction' and are thus not sins at all; torturing, murdering and raping communists is unfortunately eternally unforgiveable.

http://www.boylecartoon.co.uk/book/uk/7b.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/12/thatcherpinochetPA_228x272.jpg

http://www.wri-irg.org/system/files/images/Chile_final_small.img_assist_custom.jpg

I am afraid that I am unable to offer forgiveness for 'some sins' but fear not little ones, for many are the sins which Catholics now consider unpardonable which are in fact in accord with human nature.

http://www.luciferia.tv/Law66666/masonic%20execution.jpg

I suppose that since this is the David Icke forum, I should point out that while torturing murdering and raping Communists might not get you excommunicated from the Catholic Church (rather you might get a special blessing from the Pope) attacking the Masonic cultists and Christians here on this forum is quite acceptable.

If anyone should beat Pinochet's record (and other genocidal Christians) and 'for example' dispatch to the afterlife, the equivalent amount of Christian priests or Masonic cultists, I think I might be able to up the 144 virgins in paradise to 144,000 (the number of the mythical revolutionary vanguard of final revolution), but you will probably have to share them, since by necessity they will all be Communists.

"For as the lightening cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be."

Long have I been speaking to all peoples and nations from the sky as the Lightening flashes from the East to the West, in judgement on the living and the dead, anouncing the forthcoming Final Revolutionary War of Economic Salvation.

Love and Light

Your brother.

Lucifer

http://th05.deviantart.com/fs25/300W/f/2008/148/2/8/Sigil_of_Lucifer_by_Monation.jpg
lux e tenebris
Prince of the Angels, Lord of Lords, Master and Commander of the 72 Goetic demons, bearer of the Key of Solomon, etc., etc.

Ex offico (in the office of) Christ, Pontifex Maximus, Servus Servorum Dei, Grand Master of Masters and numerous other pompous titles.

http://www.piusxiipope.info/popeseal.gif

Nb. I have spoken here 'ex cathedra' (from the seat) and thus I speak infallibly against all other blasphemies, heresies and competing 'World Saviours,' Grand Masters, Messiahs, Maitreyas, prophets, madhi's etc; accept no cheaper substitutes.

I, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

uncia

11-05-2009, 08:17 AM

luciferhorus

11-05-2009, 10:54 PM

Christianity bears no resemblance whatever to Islam or Buddhism. Anyone who says it does is seriously deluded. Both Islam and Buddhism directly deny the claims of Christ.

What has this got to do with Christianity?

Well in Christianity Mary was not impregnated by space aliens but by God, and since to the Christians, Jesus is ontologically (the type of being) God Herself, the three Christian gods being 'One Being' in polytheistic (trinitarian monotheism), this leads to the conclusion that Jesus (i.e., God Herself) impregnated Mary; this in Christianity Jesus was a mother-impregnator; so no space aliens, just a Mother-F****R.

See my essay Summa Contra Christos (summary against Christ) for more of this nonsense.

Lux

uncia

12-05-2009, 12:58 AM

Well in Christianity Mary was not impregnated by space aliens but by God.

Lux
Mary was not impregnated by anyone.

ex_anser_ovo

12-05-2009, 01:24 AM

I don't know. The milkman was over there an awful lot, then he just disappeared a few months before the birth. :confused:

zero1

12-05-2009, 01:46 AM

Mary was not impregnated by anyone.

Ahem, then assuming there was a person who was 'Mary', did she have a son and if so, how, if she was not impregnated?

majorlee

12-05-2009, 03:00 AM

i look forward to finding out the real truth one day!

kimball13

12-05-2009, 05:42 AM

do u have a paypal address i can donate my life savings too? :p
that wasnt my quate but no harm.

kimball13

12-05-2009, 05:45 AM

In October 1517 some parishioners return to Wittenberg with indulgences which they have bought from Tetzel - indulgences so powerful, some have been led to believe, that they could pardon a man who had raped the Virgin Mary.

HISTORY OF THE PAPACY http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=hlo

Well dear Kimball, I forgot to mention that for 'life savings' I have a 'special Papal Indulgence.

One of the main accusations against the Catholic Church during the Religious Reformation was the accusation that the Church sold full forgiveness for sins not yet committed;' i.e., if you paid enough money, all your past, present 'and' future sins would be forgiven.

http://www.mattbors.com/images/Indulgences.gif

"The first grace is the complete remission of all sins; and nothing greater than this can be named, since man, who lives in sin and forfeits the favor of God, obtains complete remission by these means and once more enjoys God's favor; moreover, through this remission of sins the punishment which one is obliged to undergo in purgatory on account of the affront to the Divine Majesty is all remitted, and the pains of purgatory completely blotted out. And although nothing is precious enough to be given in exchange for such a grace, - since it is a free gift of God and a grace beyond price, - yet in order that Christian believers may be the more easily induced to procure the same, we establish the following rules, to wit:........

Kings and queens and their offspring, archbishops and bishops, and other great rulers, provided they seek the places where the cross is raised, or otherwise present themselves, shall pay at least five and twenty Rhenish guilders in gold. Abbots and the great prelates of cathedral churches, counts, barons, and others of the higher nobility, together with their consorts, shall pay for each letter of indulgence ten such guilders. Other lesser prelates and nobles, as also the rectors of celebrated places, and all others who, either from permanent incomes or merchandise, or otherwise, enjoy a total yearly revenue of five hundred gold guilders, shall pay six such guilders. Other citizens and tradespeople and artisans, who have individual incomes and families of their own,. shall pay one such guilder; those of less means, only a half."

EXCERPTS FROM THE “INSTRUCTIONS” TO THOSE OFFERING PAPAL INDULGENCES IN GERMANY (1515) http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/indulgences.htm

Of course bear in mind that 'five and twenty Rhenish guilders in gold' covers only remission of past sins; for the remission of future sins also, a greater price was extracted.

It is hard to know exactly how 'undercut' the price on the remission of future sins by 50%, since the price is unknown, but fear not oh little ones, I think that 'life's savings' might be acceptable for some future sins.

Not to be beaten on price by the Christians, since there is a recession on, and many in Capitalism have zero savings and are in fact in debt, and yet the non-Catholic Christians on the Internet continue to offer salvation to devotees of the god of Capital even for no coin to such individuals, it is hard to know how to beat price of zero by 50%.

But fear not oh Children of Eden, I suppose that if the penitent soul offers themselves fully to anti-Capitalist revolution that the reward of 144 virgins in paradise would apply.

http://wikicompany.org/wiki/images/Pinochet_pope1.jpg
Above: Mass murderer General Pinochet of Chile with Pope John Paul.

Since Margaret Thatcher's 'close friend' the late General Pinochet, a lifetime Catholic, was responsible for the Sept 11th, 1973 CIA backed coup and the consequent arrest and torture 30,000 Chileans of the political Left, including the rape of many and the murder or dissapearance of about 10,000, I must add a disclaimer that my 'special Papal Indulgence' which includes the remission of 'some' future sins, only refers to some of the 'sins' as defined by the Christian Church, those which consitute the 'sin of restriction' and are thus not sins at all; torturing, murdering and raping communists is unfortunately eternally unforgiveable.

http://www.boylecartoon.co.uk/book/uk/7b.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/12/thatcherpinochetPA_228x272.jpg

http://www.wri-irg.org/system/files/images/Chile_final_small.img_assist_custom.jpg

I am afraid that I am unable to offer forgiveness for 'some sins' but fear not little ones, for many are the sins which Catholics now consider unpardonable which are in fact in accord with human nature.

http://www.luciferia.tv/Law66666/masonic%20execution.jpg

I suppose that since this is the David Icke forum, I should point out that while torturing murdering and raping Communists might not get you excommunicated from the Catholic Church (rather you might get a special blessing from the Pope) attacking the Masonic cultists and Christians here on this forum is quite acceptable.

If anyone should beat Pinochet's record (and other genocidal Christians) and 'for example' dispatch to the afterlife, the equivalent amount of Christian priests or Masonic cultists, I think I might be able to up the 144 virgins in paradise to 144,000 (the number of the mythical revolutionary vanguard of final revolution), but you will probably have to share them, since by necessity they will all be Communists.

"For as the lightening cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be."

Long have I been speaking to all peoples and nations from the sky as the Lightening flashes from the East to the West, in judgement on the living and the dead, anouncing the forthcoming Final Revolutionary War of Economic Salvation.

Love and Light

Your brother.

Lucifer

http://th05.deviantart.com/fs25/300W/f/2008/148/2/8/Sigil_of_Lucifer_by_Monation.jpg
lux e tenebris
Prince of the Angels, Lord of Lords, Master and Commander of the 72 Goetic demons, bearer of the Key of Solomon, etc., etc.

Ex offico (in the office of) Christ, Pontifex Maximus, Servus Servorum Dei, Grand Master of Masters and numerous other pompous titles.

http://www.piusxiipope.info/popeseal.gif

Nb. I have spoken here 'ex cathedra' (from the seat) and thus I speak infallibly against all other blasphemies, heresies and competing 'World Saviours,' Grand Masters, Messiahs, Maitreyas, prophets, madhi's etc; accept no cheaper substitutes.

I, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

somehow someone elses post was mixed up with mine,,,,,,but hay no biggy,,,,,,,,,,not my quote,,,,,,,actualy the paypal thingy was from majorlee.

but wouldnt suprise me if matreya was backed by the pope.

flyermay

12-05-2009, 11:40 AM

This is bunk. Christianity bears no resemblance whatever to Islam or Buddhism. Anyone who says it does is seriously deluded. Both Islam and Buddhism directly deny the claims of Christ.

It often amazes me how the ones who most defend religions are the ones who know less about the subject.

I'm wondering: before being so sure that your religion is the right one, shouldn't you have checked all of them first; just in case?

2013

12-05-2009, 12:53 PM

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and as far as Maitreya goe's what ive gathered is his spititual practice of having his people send there energy to him to use is a form of vampirism(spiritual vamperism),,,,,,,,,,,,,,hes doing it in reverse of how he should be doing it if energy transference is taking place.

i heard hes in the UK and thats were his base is,,,,,,,,,,,makes sense that the queen would have him there,,,,,,,,,im going to read some on this and see what comes up,,,,,,,,,,,ive bin waiting for this particular subject to come up for some very good reasons;),,,,,,,,,,and i didnt know he was Iranian.

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Spiritual vampirism indeed . I saw several ads in newspapers ,alternative magazines etc thru the 1980's advertising maitreya .As there wasnt much info pre internet it intrigued me .We had to do our own research back then .
Ifinally went to see a lecture by Creme in around 1999/2000 in london with some friends .The whole thing didn't feel right to me .Creme had the audience divided into male and female on each side of the room .He said it was so he could receive the energies as he was in the center of the stage drawing it in ! :rolleyes:
The only good parts about the trip where for me the veggie curry we had afterward in another part of London , all you could eat for a fiver ! that was nearer to heaven for me , than the previous experience :D

uncia

12-05-2009, 04:33 PM

It often amazes me how the ones who most defend religions are the ones who know less about the subject.

I'm wondering: before being so sure that your religion is the right one, shouldn't you have checked all of them first; just in case?
What makes you think I don't know about Islam? I know more than you think. I know the secrets of Islam. I know that it is nothing, a vacuous political philosophy imposed on conquered peoples. It is a religion based upon political correctness - Islamic political correctness. Buddha denied the existence of the soul but Christ said that God can destroy the soul in hell. Not much similarity I think.

flyermay

12-05-2009, 04:54 PM

manxboz

12-05-2009, 05:16 PM

But yet, you seem to ingnore that islam follows the teachings of the same prophets as those followed by Christians (including Jesus).

Ah but i don't i love the study of religions and understand that Muslims are our abramic brothers and sisters, they beleive Jesus was a prophet not the Son of God.

flyermay

12-05-2009, 05:22 PM

Ah but i don't i love the study of religions and understand that Muslims are our abramic brothers and sisters, they beleive Jesus was a prophet not the Son of God.

You're right, because the original faith of Abraham, Moses and Jesus (in between other prophets) was monotheistic without any plurality or division of the divine.

uncia

12-05-2009, 08:24 PM

But yet, you seem to ingnore that islam follows the teachings of the same prophets as those followed by Christians (including Jesus).
Wrong. No true Christian has ever followed Mahomet nor can they regard such an imposter as anything other than an instrument of Satan. In fact Mahomet was prophecied about in Revelations as the king of destruction, of the plague of locusts come up out of the abyss. Mahomet was a perverter of the truth and a most virulent enemy of Christianity. Furthermore he did not acknowledge Christ as the son of God.

flyermay

12-05-2009, 08:40 PM

Wrong. No true Christian has ever followed Mahomet nor can they regard such an imposter as anything other than an instrument of Satan. In fact Mahomet was prophecied about in Revelations as the king of destruction, of the plague of locusts come up out of the abyss. Mahomet was a perverter of the truth and a most virulent enemy of Christianity. Furthermore he did not acknowledge Christ as the son of God.

Please, read above.

octopusrex

12-05-2009, 08:45 PM

Well in Christianity Mary was not impregnated by space aliens but by God, and since to the Christians, Jesus is ontologically (the type of being) God Herself, the three Christian gods being 'One Being' in polytheistic (trinitarian monotheism), this leads to the conclusion that Jesus (i.e., God Herself) impregnated Mary; this in Christianity Jesus was a mother-impregnator; so no space aliens, just a Mother-F****R.

See my essay Summa Contra Christos (summary against Christ) for more of this nonsense.

Lux

What's wrong with God as a mother fucker?

zero1

12-05-2009, 09:07 PM

What's wrong with God as a mother fucker?

Lol! :D:p

mephibosheth

12-05-2009, 09:13 PM

What makes you think I don't know about Islam? I know more than you think. I know the secrets of Islam. I know that it is nothing, a vacuous political philosophy imposed on conquered peoples. It is a religion based upon political correctness - Islamic political correctness.

All religions are political systems, to the extent that they attempt to corral and control human interpersonal interaction.

Islam is a religion based on the acceptance of a series of revelations that instruct human beings how to conduct themselves fully in every aspect of their lives, from trade to marriage to grooming. Christianity, by contrast, is a vague series of parables that presents no clear indication of how to live or conduct yourself, aside from the nebulous golden rule. In Islam everything is dedicated to the glory of the Most High God, and each practicioner devotes themselves to living in accord with the wishes of the Most High for human beings. These wishes are spelled out in the Qur'an, but have been revealed elsewhere through history, including through the previous Abrahmic prophets up to Isa (Jesus). In contrast to Christianity, Islam presents a consistent narrative and establishes the foundations for running a coherent religiously based society.

Meanwhile, I'm sure no Christian society has ever gone around imposing itself on conquered peoples have they.

Buddha denied the existence of the soul but Christ said that God can destroy the soul in hell. Not much similarity I think.

Buddhism, like Jesus of the gospels, teaches non-attachment. It teaches spontaneity and rebirth through return to the original mind (being born again). It practices charity, chastity, honesty. Yeah, these are nothing alike.

Buddhism says that no form is permanent, not even the appearance of the soul. Bodies, gods, heavens, hells--all these fade and disappear in time.

Where, exactly, does Jesus say that God 'destroys souls in hell'?

Rather, like Buddhism, he recommends the simple life, and the abandoning of wealth and riches to earnestly follow the true path to the kingdom of heaven.

8)

lightgiver

12-05-2009, 10:57 PM

Good post mephibosheth,:)

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7279/artmai.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artmai.jpg)

We first need to distinguish two types of "god".
The first type is God as creator of the universe etc. This kind of God does not exist in Buddhism.
The second type is a divine or supernatural being, and of these one could simply say there are two kinds of gods in Buddhism:
Not all living beings live on planet earth, or would even be visible to us. One could say that these creatures live in different dimensions from us. See also 'Heaven and Hell' below. Some of these creatures experience because of their karma (past actions) almost exclusively happiness, and these are called Devas (Skt.) or gods. However, these gods are still within the cycles of uncontrolled rebirth and can be reborn in the 'lower realms' once their positive store of karma is exhausted.
If one defines a god as a supernatural being, one could say that a Buddha or an Arya being are "supernatural" in the sense that they are not bound to the same realms of cyclic existence as we are, and they are said to possess supernatural powers (siddhis).

A Buddha is said to know everything, but not omnipotent (all-powerful). The logical reasoning behind this last is that if a Buddha would be omnipotent, He/She would instantly remove suffering from the universe, because compassion for all sentient beings (wishing to free alll from suffering) is the main motivation to become a Buddha.

"We don't want to say that Buddhism is a kind of Christianity and Christianity is a kind of Buddhism. A mango can not be an orange. I cannot accept the fact that a mango is an orange. They are two different things. Vive la difference. But when you look deeply into the mango and into the orange, you see that although they are different, they are both fruits."

Heaven and Hell,

It may come as a surprise, but heavens and hells exist in Buddhism, although they are different from the Christian descriptions. One could say that heaven and hell are different realms (dimensions), where beings live under respectively extremely happy and extremely suffering conditions. It is a logical consequence of the laws of karma. When one creates vast amounts of negative actions to others, one will harvest lots of suffering in the future - such a life could be in one of the hell realms. Similarly, many good actions can cause one to be reborn in a heavenly realm of happiness.
Life in heaven and hell, like all other realms (human, animal and preta) is a temporary situation, as they are are within the realm of uncontrolled cyclic existence. This means that a life in hell is not eternal (although it may feel like it), and neither is heaven.
The aim of a Buddhist should be to become at least free from death and rebirth, which is called Nirvana (Skt.) or Nibbana (Pali). A life in heaven is regarded a pleasant interval, but always with the fear of a future rebirth in a much less pleasant realm. The ultimate aim is to become a Buddha oneself in order to relieve all sentient beings from suffering.

mephibosheth

12-05-2009, 11:20 PM

"We don't want to say that Buddhism is a kind of Christianity and Christianity is a kind of Buddhism. A mango can not be an orange. I cannot accept the fact that a mango is an orange. They are two different things. Vive la difference. But when you look deeply into the mango and into the orange, you see that although they are different, they are both fruits."

Indeed!

Also, I wouldn't want to say that Christianity is all bad (by contrasting it to Islam or Buddhism). On the contrary. There is a kind of freedom in the Christian feeling that is, for example, corraled in Islam (through its socio-political structures). That dynamic essence, I find, is similar in spirit to zen Buddhism.

8)

lightgiver

12-05-2009, 11:40 PM

Indeed!

Also, I wouldn't want to say that Christianity is all bad (by contrasting it to Islam or Buddhism). On the contrary. There is a kind of freedom in the Christian feeling that is, for example, corraled in Islam (through its socio-political structures). That dynamic essence, I find, is similar in spirit to zen Buddhism.

8)

Any religion practised dynamically or correctly can be a great force for good and liberation.

uncia

13-05-2009, 12:22 AM

Please, read above.
I did and I don't agree. The term "Abrahamic" brother has no biblical basis. After all, the Pharisees were the "Abrahamic" brothers of Christ but it did not save them from hell.

uncia

13-05-2009, 12:30 AM

All religions are political systems, to the extent that they attempt to corral and control human interpersonal interaction.

Human interpersonal interaction is not political unless it is associated with government. Although it was inevitable that as more and more came to believe in Christ, political systems would be affected by the faith, the initial faith did not seek to change the government and was not political.

This is in contrast to Isalm that had politics and government as its fundamental basis from the outset. As Mahomet himself said, his religion was to be spread by the sword. Now that's an unpalatable truth that you never hear from Islamic apologists.

Buddhism, like Jesus of the gospels, teaches non-attachment. It teaches spontaneity and rebirth through return to the original mind (being born again). It practices charity, chastity, honesty. Yeah, these are nothing alike.

Buddhism says that no form is permanent, not even the appearance of the soul. Bodies, gods, heavens, hells--all these fade and disappear in time.

Where, exactly, does Jesus say that God 'destroys souls in hell'?

Rather, like Buddhism, he recommends the simple life, and the abandoning of wealth and riches to earnestly follow the true path to the kingdom of heaven.

8)

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Now contrast with what you say about Buddha's view of the mutability of gods, with what YHWH says about his immutability:

Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not;

kimball13

13-05-2009, 02:30 AM

and here you have it his admission to being a rebellious prince.

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/became-m.htm
A few weeks later Maitreya received a letter from the other teacher and he gave him the name Vigi Kumar. Vigi means, "youthful." Kumar means, "prince." So Vigi Kumar means, "the young prince." Maitreya said, "Wow, that looks better [laughter]. I'm going to use the name Vigi Kumar instead of Maitreya." So he was using both names and telling the people that he liked Vigi Kumar better, but without any exception all told him that he should accept Maitreya over Vigi Kumar, because being compassionate is a greater virtue than thinking you are a young prince.
During the time he was doing that, people kept asking him, "What is your spiritual name?" He would explain to them, "I have two names. I have Maitreya and Vigi Kumar." Everyone, without exception, told him, "Keep the Maitreya." He explained to them that he didn't know which one to use, Maitreya or Vigi Kumar, and they all said, "Keep the Maitreya, keep the Maitreya, keep the Maitreya." It was just like pounding on him, "Keep the Maitreya, keep the Maitreya, keep the Maitreya."

On one of these days he was flipping through a Buddhist book, and suddenly he came across the name Maitreya. He started reading it and in the middle of the book he found that the name of the Buddha to come is Maitreya. For the first time he found the name of Maitreya in a book about Buddhism. It was very interesting, but he did not believe in prophecies then, so he just became a little more pleased with his name and understood that the name is mostly related to Buddhism."""""""""""""

So after he found out that he shared a name with a prophecy he accepted it,,,,,,,,what a fcking egotisticle puke.

I had a similar experience yet when i found out what my names ment i didnt like it very much because of the possible responsobility and i didnt think of myself as being that.

i found out what my cristaian name on my birth certificate ment after the other names i recieved.

The first one was confusing and on my first vision quest, on the quest i asked or confermation 3 times and recieved the same confirmation every time, the name is singingfeather, after the quest i found a book in the local library out of chance and it had the story of singingfeather in it and it was a tribal story of the tribes where i quested, basicly the story of Adam the first man.

The name i received from a Chief and spiritual leader on my return from the quest, is Weho Peyata Eh Mani, the one that comes from the sunset/west.

so these names mean both East and West just like the prophecys, just as being in my mothers womb in New York and being born in California.

Oh and when i asked about the name i recieved on my quest he said when they are put together it means The Word of God.

the same can be said for my birth names, it is almost like a story just in my names when you look up the meaning.

An old Iraqui prophecy about the peace maker, he is called the one theat comes from the west, just as wovoka claimed.

there are many more solid similaritys to being a bit more of what Matreya claims than he and many others,.

His story is nothing like the ones written about and told.
my name Wehopeyata eh mani also contains allot of native american teachings and storys,,,,,,,it is the direction of the impossible becomeing possible,,,,,,the power to destroy and sustain life,,,,,,the thunder beings,,,,,,,,,,,,the dirrection the risen warrior came from,,,,,,,,,,i even saw a dead fig tree come to life,,,,,,,,,so Matreya is a fake phony put up to it mofo or he is very dilusional and someone decided to use him as a puppet,,,,,,,,,,,but afte reveiwing his site and reading his story as well as his spiritual practice,,,,,,,,,,,,,he has basicly put perfume on a pile of pooooooooo,,,,,,,,,,,,and he gets away with it because he tells people to send him and his crony's energy and light and they do it,,,,,,,,,,,,,it still is manipulation and evil no matter how they word it,,,,,,,,,,,,a true spiritual leader is the one that sends the energy and light to his people until they learn to do it on there own,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he has reversed it and in the way he did it as long as people send him energy he will be sustained yet perverted without having to ever learn to connect with God on his own,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is making allot of people believe he is Godly,,,,,,,,,wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He is basicly piggybacking on others faith and spiritual enlightenment,,,,,,,,,,

actualy i shouldn't put vampires in the same category i am sorry for that,,,,,,,,,,,,he and his are much worse they feed of the souls of others they are very sick.............

I offer this,,,,,,,,,,my life story and such against Maitreya's hay and to go along with that spiritual knowledge. I know for a fact my life is closer to mirroring the prophecies than his by far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I can tell by reading his story that if its true the key points were orchestrated and staged for a long con.

Does he have a Mark on his Right Thigh, I do:eek:
Did he learn to read by reading the bible on his own and know the teachings and such better than most clergy before his teens,,,,,,,,oh maybe i didnt know or memorize passages verbatem or chapter verse,,,,,,,,but i understood the deep teachings and they whys and such, my interpretations have always bin almost flawless if not flawless...............The Word is was written on my heart.

Oh boy am i in for it,,,,,,,,,,,but i have to accept te possibity because for me not to then i would be sending the Holy Spirit away and trying to silent It which God says not to do. So its a bit of a catch 22 but then i also know what i know and part of it is accepting it,,,,,,,,,,,,,heck my being turned away by all and attacked and surrounded by my enemys has happend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and its on so many levels both litteral and abstract,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,think about it Kalki's enemy is Kali,,,,,,,,,,,and i live in Kaliforia(Cali),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i was sent to a place called Albion around 86 the surrounding area is known for Jim Jones, Charles Manson, as well as several others and satanic cults and many other people that are a bit fringe and some very sick and secretive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,another crazy thing is the county court house is called SanHedron Courthouse the same name as in the bible the same as the court that convicted Jesus Christ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so surrounded by the enemys,,,,,,,,,purifying a strange people,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Matrya also wins people over by preaching peace and non-violence no war stuff,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i dont talk it,,,,,,,,i want Peace but i am hear to make war,,,,,,,,after WAr then comes paradise and a peacefull world when Heaven and Earth become one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then the whole Cancer sign associated with the angel micheal and my return,,,,,,,,,,i am a cancer and all my other signs are fire and war, even my birth names mean war, my last one literaly translates to King god,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so it realy makes my sword want to sing a song to Maitrya about his betraya of God,,,,,,,,,,cool huh Betraya Matraya.

Jehovah is the Warlike version of God's name, this is what my first name means, Jehovah is God.

it is also the name of an angel on the ark of the covenant that sits on the Mercy Seat, so Maitreya and his types must truly be dillusional or even worse maybe they have no faith or belief at all,,,,,,or even worse just plain evil,,,,,,,,,,,,,,must be a combo because if he knows anything then if he managed or Creme managed to read the e-mail i sent,,,,,,,,,all i said was about the mark on my thigh as well as a couple of descritors of myself and said to them that they know who i am if they are who they are and if they arnt then they still probley knowwho i am and if not then hears the warning.

SAme warning given to the children of Esau turn from you evil ways and all will be forgiven and you will come inot the fold, if you continue in your ways you will be destroyed.

My concern is that someone got ahold of Maitreya and convinced him this is who he is or what he is,,,,,,,,,,,,,its weird because coming from his backround and edjucation you would think that he would see that there are to many diffences between himself and the one he thinks he is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how do i know this well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in my studys everyonece in a while i would wonder why my life was similar but i never realy gave it much thought,,,,,,,,,,then after 10 years of hints from some as well as visions from some and myself i did some very spesific research to help myself to understand ad maybe dicount or disprove, yet while i was doing this i also came across some like Maitreya making claims,,,,,,,,,,,,,i was a bit realieved and was willing to accept maybe it is he or them, but when i read there story's the thing that kept nawing at my heart and mind was my life looked allot more like the person they thought they are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i mean realy allllot more than theres ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and flying in from new york into sandeigo is defiantly coming down from te clouds from the east,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and my bloodline is a bit more dirrect to david as well as the man known as the Once and Furture king...............

i better stop and read more of Maitreyas site,,,,,,,,,,,,and if hes real he wont mind my skeptisism or critique of his claim because if it true and real it will stand but like i said my life stands up to it stronger and a bit/allot more correct/valid and to the point in boht literal and abstract logical ways.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 02:32 AM

They went home and he took his car and went back to the Baha'i Temple himself. He went downstairs and bought all the books they had, any books they had about Baha'i and their religion, etc.

in otherwords he doenst know squate from his heart he has to study books and such to gather info and regurgitate it,,,,,,,,,,,he is no spring.........

kimball13

13-05-2009, 02:41 AM

[QUOTE]Now he was studying the religions much deeper. Before he was just reading them and enjoying them. Now he was really reading them with this Spirit, just going into them to see why Baha'i, why Islam, why Christianity, why? And The Greatest Sign started to evolve more and more./QUOTE]

So he did not have it in his heart to begin with,,,,,,,,,,,.........

Having it in your heart you know it from the getgo,,,,,you may not know exactly what you are but you do know the heart of it from te begining................BUt hay some get it that way by studying but if he be who he say he be then it would be in his heart from the get,,,,,,,,,,,,,you know like an athlete, its in his heart from childhood on for the realy good athletes,,,,,,,,then there are the ones that study and are very technical two diffent creatures

kimball13

13-05-2009, 02:43 AM

"""""""Maitreya decided to go to Virginia Beach to study symbolism from Edgar Cayce at the Foundation there. He drove all the way to Virginia Beach. He went to the foundation and bought a lot of books, and also he purchased their book on symbology. He became more familiar with the symbology, which once again made him realize how powerful the Sign is."""""""""http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/became-m.htm

kimball13

13-05-2009, 03:15 AM

interesting his staart on the mission in 1977 about the time of the church hearings about mk-ultra and his arrogance on this stuff.
and also a year after the hypnosis done to me,,,,,,,,,i wonder if Maitreya was one of hte ones fed my knowlege,,,,,,,,after all it was around that time that my dreams and some memories disapeared that dealt with Kalki and Rama and such,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i wonder,,,,,,,,,after all he was in Colorado and new mexaco,,,,,,,,,,,,,guess he was given the go ahead when they accomplished there little hypnosis to keep me from knowing what or who i am,,,,,,,,i suppose i must have let them as well as God let them because after all it is written that i will be beaten down and such yet i will rise..........

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/Thief%20of%20the%20night.htm
"In the beginning He expected the world and especially the Elects to respond to Him immediately and start working on establishing the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. However, this was not the case. As the Mission reached out, many came and in fact flooded the Mission with different energies. Some of these people had partial truths, which was in a way kept away from Maitreya until The Greatest Sign and its Teachings were perfected. This crowd, however, was not what Maitreya was looking for. Their cups were full!""

kimball13

13-05-2009, 03:19 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/Thief%20of%20the%20night.htmSo, after reaching out to the world and coming in contact with different people and energies, Maitreya was again guided by God how to continue with His Mission. A few true seekers were found, the Teachings were perfected, and everything was ready to Call all "that are bidden to the wedding.”

and there it is his own words and admision about changing the teachings to manipulate, just like i said they steal the info and then rework it to fit there goals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,other wise why does he say the teachings were perfected,,,,,,,,,, must mean they didnt come from God and if they did then who the fck is he to think he can perfect Gods work.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 03:27 AM

so he is realy more adept and gifted with computers than with the teachings and word of God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the time line to boot,,,,,,,,,,the same year my grandfathers death and the year before the Templars were taken over by evil ones,,,,,,,,,,,the coincendence of his second declaration how intersting,,,,,,,,,,,and scary that he is better at computers than Gods word/work. And what sacrafice is he talking about,,,,,,,creating a website.

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/Thief%20of%20the%20night.htm
But the real challenge at the time was to bring the teachings online on a website. Therefore Maitreya learned to construct a website from scratch and started to build the website for the Mission. Although a couple of other people, in some intervals, helped Maitreya with this project, almost the entire website was constructed by Maitreya in the 1990s. This is a good example of how with sacrifice, everything is possible. All thanks to God for providing the tools such as the fairly easy to use Microsoft Front Page, graphic-making software, graphic animation programs, etc. that made this possible. Around 1996 the Mission of Maitreya had an official website that made it possible to reach out to humanity in a greater degree. This was announced to humanity with the Second Declaration.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 03:57 AM

let me see one instance for me was bleading internaly in a hospital bed trying to convince the nurses i was bleading to death, i laid there for six hours, they collected a couple quarts from the colostomy bag not to mention the blood internaly,,,,,,,,,but then a good Christian woman that was a nurse in the millitary came on duty and i told what was happening and she new that i neaded help,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the next morning i opend the news paper and on teh front page was a little article statien that unuasual fires erupted in garbage cans spontaniously durring the same time that i was bleeding out and well i was also warning them that there would be repercusions,,,,,,,,there were people in that hospital that were trying there damdest to eithe permanantly damage me or even cause an accidental death,,,,,,that is also wh ywhen i realy learned the extent of there evil i said a prayer and well there was a very big natural fire to let them know what they were messing with and to turn from there evil ways but then again they usualy never listen but some do and thats what counts and why all the warning but sooner or latter the warning stops and the forgiving them 7 times 7 soon reaches 49,,,,,,,,,,,,,,let me break it down and why the answer is 42 in hitchichers guid to the galaxy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jesus Christ was the 42 generation from david i believe,,,,,,,anyways he is listed as the 42 generations which is 7 less than 49,,,,,,,,,oh and the prophecys of the 7th generation of the 7th generation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the amount of forgiveness God speaks of is allot broader of a statement than most know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he was also saying that when the 7th of the 7th is hear then as Christ said forgive them 7 times 7 after that well then i suppose is the Wrath of God because God himself has forgiven you for harming his children 7 times 7 generations,,,,,,,,,,that is allot of forgiveness imagine just one of your children being murderd or misslead how hard it would be to forgive the criminal and even help them to become better people and giving them the chance for redemtion over and over again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,But then this is a Quality of Rama that i knew when i was 5 years old to forgive demons and even heal them at times hoping that they will change, giving them the opportunity to become enlightened and shed there demons and reclaim there soul,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but more often demons accept the healing and just go back to there evil ways,,,,,,,,the diffence is now they tell on themselves more and others catch on to there game quiker,,,,,,,,,,,so in a sense i do what they did to me when i was justa a boy,,,,,they learned from me to attack me and control me as well as others by observing me,,,,,,,so now i do it to them, i treat demons like lab rats now and i realy dont have emotions for them any more, it is like it is written that there will come a time that there redemtion is gone forever,,,,when this point is reached for some reason i no longer am infurieated by them any more and dont get angry at them which is a bad thing for them on many levels,,,,no anger for me in this case means definite outcome of there choice and there is no anger because my hands are clean and i and other did what we could to ask them to change there ways,,,my anger comes from the persons heart, sould and spirit i feal there souls anger and sorrow when they go against it,,,,,,,,,,,,so as long as im angry that meens i feel there soul fighting trying to bring the person to God its spiritual, like a person has more than one person in them,,,,,,,,each on is part of the whole,,,,,and when the spirit and soul are gone and changed to something other than God i have no fealing for them other than annoyance, just as a true samurai does not battle an enemy when angry at them,,,,,,,,,,,its hard to explain its almost like parenthood. Weird that i would like nothing more than to destroy evil but i have no real emotion towards it,,,,,,,,,,so maybe emotion requires love.

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/Thief%20of%20the%20night.htmMany people also came to oppose Maitreya’s Teachings and/or bring negativity to the Mission. It is indeed Prophesied that if it was not for God, they would destroy the Son (Revelation 12:15-17). There are more false prophets and teachings (flood), to drown the Truth. God indeed is protective of His Messengers and Revelations. As the Teachings Reveal: There was Darkness from the beginning, and the whole creation was created to overcome this Darkness!

kimball13

13-05-2009, 03:59 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/Thief%20of%20the%20night.htm
One of the purposes that many who came to the Mission, was: To help gather many of the prophecies that Maitreya and the Mission have fulfilled. God made sure the Elects could recognize His Messiah, Maitreya, by making Him unique with the fulfillment of the prophecies. Therefore God brought many people with different perspectives and knowledge to the Mission, who brought many of the prophecies fulfilled from different religions of the world, etc. The genealogy, DNA testing, and personal prophecies that Maitreya fulfilled were also gathered together in the same manner and made available for all to see on the Mission website.

yep looks like propaganda goverment style.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 04:17 AM

i wonder what his great revelation revealed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i had one on june-20-2008, it was confirmed by the weather channnel and all of norther Callifornia,,,,,,,,heck the sun was even blotted out, fire from the sky, sons of thunder type stuff. funny he picked 7/7/7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but let me see my timeline and oct-2008 being the 701 aneversery, they year prior i said that curse has bin undone and it was time for real payback,,,,,,,,,oh but Wall ST and Maddoff arnt any sign are they,,,,,,,,,you see when they attack me it hits them harder, i even have evil step parents and half sisters and such that took money to help destroy my life, ya my own half sister was paid to cause a rift and major trauma for me,,,,,,,,,,,,,when she said it was money being the bottom line for her, then when she said i had no power and was a pipsqeek compared to her, that is when i looked at her and told her that her big money maker doing gay weddings was going to end and all the bills and such she counted on would stack up,,,,,oh ya and i also told her to watch the stock marked i believe it was the next morning it dropped 800 points,,,,,kinda like 8,000 lightning strikes 8 days befor my birthday, so here you have 8808 or 24 elders backing my play.

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/Thief%20of%20the%20night.htm

In the summer of 2007, God came through Maitreya and confirmed the Revelations Revealed to humanity by Maitreya and clarified His positions on many topics. These two Revelations finished the Revelations entrusted to Maitreya and expressed His Pleasure of these Revelations brought by Maitreya in their purest form to humanity. The final Revelation was Revealed on 7/7/7!

After the sessions of Revelations, Maitreya continued giving Satsangs under the title of “Further Clarifications” only until He again felt compelled to withdraw His Satsangs from the public unless a group of at least seven people come together, proved their sincerity, and requested a Satsang from Him. Maitreya told, in this last Satsang, the resistance of people to come, join the Mission, and carry it to a more professional level, and the technical difficulties and struggle were the main reasons behind this decision. He has done His Work; now it is time for the Disciples to come and help Him to Spread the Message further.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 05:41 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/english/HOLYNAME.HTMTHE WORD

(THE DIVINE NAME)

Maitreya also reveals the true pronunciation of the sacred name of the Lord (Father) and His Son in four initiations. These names can neither be pronounced nor written in the material world. When they merge INTO ONE (the Son and the Father become One), it is called THE WORD (), "...but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed." (Matthew 8:8).

oh ya interersting that revalation 8:8 i wonder 8 days before 8,000 lighting strikes:eek:you see everytime i look something up i find something pertaining to something i just elaborated on yet it is sometimes so off the wall yet obviose. so his 7/7/7 is lacking, oh and 06/20/2008=9 and if youve bin following my post as i have this is a new one for me but hay im just using his own logic and such for my experience and finding my stuff jives muhch more than his,,,,,,,,,,i did not plan that lightning i did however pray insesantly for about 40 days or so and it was when i was spent and prayed one last time to God demanding direction and a sign or forget it im done, after i said that what was a sunny no cloud hot day turned into black skys and 8,000 lightning strikes in a fraction fo a second and no rain, then for weaks fires and even for a few days the sun was completly blotted out, at its worse it was like night,,,,,,,,,,,then there was the chinees olympics on 8/8/8,,,,,,so maitreya has missed the mark he is obviosly ochastrating his stuff or someone is.

interesting i mentioned my names and whe put together meen The Word,,,,,,,,,,,and seprate according to both scriptures and definitions meen from the east yet also from the west,,,,,,,,,,,,,full name is Weho Peyata Eh Mani Ta Hoopa who Wa Lowa,,,,,,,,,,,wpem means the One that Comes With Power from the Sunset,,,,,,THWWL means singing feather,,,,,,,,,,one name is a creation story the other is a prophecy, and when they are put together the meaning takes on much more, The Breath of the Great Spirit Coming of The Wings of The Great Eagle From the West,,,,,,which is the direction of the thunder Beings(maybe sons of thunder type thingy)the dirrection of life and death, fire and water,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and when put in more christian terms what breath of Great Spirit form the great eagle is basicly and literaly The Word of God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and then my last name is that of Kings actualy one of prophecy and history,,,,,,,,,,so it is intersting that Maitreya's other name means Prince,,,,,,,,,,could that be refering to the passage about rebelouse arogant princes that refuse to listev to real authourity of God Revalations 19:11 should explain a bit and 19:10 is very important,,,,,,,,,,,and 19:13 And he was slothed with a vesture dipt in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.........Oh and in 19:11 he is was called Faithful and True,,,,,,,,so two names becomeing one,,,,,,Faithful+True=The Word of God,,,,,,,,,,,,and by the way the Rider on the White horse also has on his thigh a name only known to him 19;12 then in 19:16 the name is on his thigh and vesture King of Kings, and Lord of Lords,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now read revalations 21:7 He that overcometh shall Inherit all things, and i will Ge his God, and he sha be my son. And there it is in 22:8 the story of Jehoel the angel and that is also when he was punished for what man did by bowing to an angel so watch who you worship you might cause a true servant of God to submit to punishment,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya its true,,,,,,,,,,,,Christ even tells everyone not to worship him and to only worship God. There is also a reason why Christ is referd to as being like the Son of Man, its a reference to The Heavenly Son of Man Jehoel a archangel yet one that is never talked of and the vatican has tride to dicount him for very evil reason,,,,and confuse some writings to be about michael or Gabriel,,,,,,,,jehoel is also known as Kemuel or better known as Metatron second only to God another reason why jehoel is also confused at times as being Christ, so some has bin left out,,,,,,,,,,,,and white is diffent than pale,,,,,,,,,,,,and then why have some thought that the horsemen were evil,,,,,,,,and also why have some called the rider on the white horse the anti-chirst when it is written that he is the one that defeats the anti-chirst and his minions. better stop here and do more reading,,,,,,,,,,,,,gues i get like a pitbull at times and when my jaws lock i cant let go until its done,,,,,,,,,and this is like i cant see the barrel any more because the fish are over flowing and i dont even have to shoot,,,,,,,,,ya know its like shooting fish in a barrel, this is easeir i just have to grab a shovel,,,,,,,,,,,might have to get a tractor and bulldozer to get the fish.....

kimball13

13-05-2009, 05:45 AM

wow i gues i got carried away weird it was like a trance all daylong,,,,,,,,i usualy only have gotten that envolved in cerimony's and teaching people, when i do healing or spiritual work, and at times spiritual warfare,,,,,that must have bin what it is or was,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my appologies for those that have had to read and muddle thew my ramblings,,,,,,,,,guese i should read what i wrote to make sure i remember what i wrote.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 06:06 AM

Mary was not impregnated by anyone.

true the Holy Spirit is not just anyone,,,,,,,,,,,Revalation 1:34-35,,,,,,,,,mary asked how she was going to become pregnant without knowing a man and Gabriel replied The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and over shadow her,,,,,,,sounds like missionary style

kimball13

13-05-2009, 06:12 AM

oh ya Luke 3:23-38 the linage of Christ althe way back to Adam and in Luke 3:38 Adam is Called the Son of God:eek: but Adam sinned what could that meen . But then that is te linage of Joseph so is it christ's family, or was mother marry realy a princess of sorts.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 06:28 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/became-m.htm
He was born in Tehran, Iran, November 8, 1944 (1944 numerically is 1 + 9 = 10 = 1 or 1944 = 1 + 4 + 4 = 9, the same as the numerical value for 144,000). Tehran is located in an area that is east of Jerusalem and west of Tibet. This fulfills the expectation of the Jews and Christians who are waiting for Maitreya to come from the East. This also fulfills the expectation of Hindus and Buddhists who are waiting for him to come from the West.

and what about 06-20-2008=9

let me see Maitreyas math.
11-8-1944=10=1
1+1+8+1+9+4+4=28=10=1
Maitreya has fuzzy math and my june-20-2008 ='s 9 as well as clouds and such. funny how it also points to Revalations 8:8 seing it was 8 days before my birthday and 8,000 lightning strikes in the 8th year of the new millenium so that is 8/8/8 or 3 8's or 38 which happend to be my 38th birthday,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it is very weird as i read his site i find so many holes in his claim and find strange coincendences in my life that match what he is trying to portray.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 06:34 AM

my birthday is also the protector of the temple,,,,,,,as well as Iraqi independance day and also the day ww1 and 2 kicked of. oh ya and george jr's chart is the exact oppisite as mine he was called my rival or contemporary

kimball13

13-05-2009, 06:50 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/files/Other/became-m.htm
His parents were the first generation in the family to leave that village and come to larger cities such as Tehran. His father started as a teacher. Then after passing an entrance examination and studying in law school, he became a judge. Right after Maitreya's birth, however, he took advantage of an offer by the government, received an early retirement, and started his law practice as a lawyer. It was then that he became more prosperous. Maitreya was born the seventh child.
The end of the world wars brought many more opportunities to everyone, including his father. This also helped the family to have a more prosperous situation. Maitreya's father was a very sincere and honest man. He was so well known for these qualities that he was asked by many to be the trustee for distribution of the wealth to their children, sometimes orphans. He never professed to be religious, but deep inside he had great feelings for God. Maitreya learned from him a great deal of strength, perseverance, and higher thoughts.

Looks like Maitreya grew up privlaged and it looks like his daddy made a deal that has the same MO of goverment ops like MK-ULTRA type deal

Maitreya's mother and father were cousins. She lived a queenly life, spending winters in Tehran and summers in the village to get away from the heat of the city, always having servants, both in the city and in the village. She was a pure and powerful woman. She was well known for her benevolent acts and beauty all through Taleghan. Her husband loved her so much, that he would do anything for her.

and the plot thickens sounds realy allot like the satanic illuminate type family and all the trimmings do you think that just because he's iranian he is not suseptalble to the evil such as the stuff allot of americans are being said to suffer from..............Rich incest and privlaged living i wonder if hes calling her pure because of being inbred,,,,,,,no offence but he wrote it his mom and dad are cousins.

mephibosheth

13-05-2009, 06:53 AM

Human interpersonal interaction is not political unless it is associated with government.

Politics, generally, is just the regulation of interpersonal relationships. It's an extension of morality to the social sphere, encoded in rules, and enforced by agencies. Religion, as such, is a type of politics. Religion orders the life of individuals and gives structure to their interpersonal relationships, defining what is permissable and forbidden. And, often enough, it is backed by some or other form of enforcement.

Although it was inevitable that as more and more came to believe in Christ, political systems would be affected by the faith, the initial faith did not seek to change the government and was not political.

The ten commandments and the other rules of the OT are political regulations. Christians themselves went off to create their own communities. This is extremely political, radically so.

Christians hold on to a vision of a global political structure being instituted by Jesus.

This is in contrast to Isalm that had politics and government as its fundamental basis from the outset. As Mahomet himself said, his religion was to be spread by the sword. Now that's an unpalatable truth that you never hear from Islamic apologists.

I'm not sure if that is entirely correct. But I don't know enough about the intricacies of the origin of Islam to comment further.

Now contrast with what you say about Buddha's view of the mutability of gods, with what YHWH says about his immutability: ["For I am the Lord, I change not."]

Except, of course, when he changes himself into a finite, human form and neglects his divinity to become prey to human weakness.

I don't think Buddhism will negate that there may be some aspects of reality that are unchanging. There may even be beings that spring forth fully formed and changeth not during the whole term of their existence.

8)

kimball13

13-05-2009, 06:53 AM

it also looks like his mother meticulously planned her pregnancys just as the MO for those illuminate satanic stories talk about. wonder why all the girls born in a village and boys in city,,,,,,,,,,,,who knows maybe diffenrt dads.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:00 AM

Although Maitreya's mother had milk, it was not sufficient. It became a concern of how to find milk. No one could even leave the house, that severe was the snow. People had to dig tunnels to reach anywhere. His mother told us that it was the next afternoon that the milkman showed up on the doorstep, not on his bicycle, but on foot. Cold and shivering, carrying some milk under his cloak, he had spent hours fighting the snow to bring the milk. He was very concerned that the infant would be left without any milk.

sounds like the milk-man was afraid of being punished and oh my God one day without Cows milk what is this world coming to when a baby has to go one day on breast milk alone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and even if the milk man wasnt in fear any good person would do the same it doesnt meen that maitreya is special other than he was a baby and the milkman knew it was the milk he brought that fed the baby mostly,,,,,,,,,,,,so him probley being a father just did what he should do for anyone.....So far Maitreya has not mentioned anything he has done for another it sounds like he has everyone do stuff for him waiting on him hand and foot all expept him setting up his web site in 1996 or so and he even mentions how much of a sacrafice it was for him to do it himself mostly............what a sissy.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:06 AM

Another dream was that she saw herself sitting on a lion. The lion was rising from the horizon, like the sun. A voice told her, "The lion you are riding is your child." Maitreya's mother later said, when she was in America visiting her son, that the landscape in that dream looked like New Mexico.

now go and read revalation17;3 and 17:7-8

rising from the horizon like the sun,,,,,,,could that mean the color of scarlet,,,,,,,he tells on himself and his mother,,,,,,,,no offence but he should realy read his own story and look up what it matches.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:11 AM

t was, however, in the high school and teenage period that he reached his highest physical and mental development. Until then, he usually stayed home and had his little world with the family and some friends. But in high school (which started in the 7th grade) he became engaged in sports (soccer, basketball, tennis, skiing, etc). It was also in this period that his spiritual longings and questions were frustrated by not finding adequate answers for them. He had reached a point where he said, "If you show me God, then I will accept Him. If you can't show me, then I can't believe in something that I cannot see."

and again he tells on himself,,,,,,,,,,,,,how am i or anyone believe him when he admits to not having any fait of his own,,,,,,,,he neads yours that is why he does his little send me your energy thing...........

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:12 AM

Then Maitreya found out about dialectic materialism, which in essence says, "Whatever is not seen, cannot be believed." So he eventually reached a point that he said, "It's all just nature, just chance, and there is not really anything such as Spirit. We're just made by chance. There is no God.” So his eventual conclusion was formed on the theory of evolution and dialectic materialism. He just rejected God completely

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:13 AM

He became an atheist, you can say, and he was comfortable with it. He didn't think too much about these things any more. He was just a student, going to school, doing his homework, getting his grades, and trying to please his parents, if possible. They told him, "This is the way. You go and get your degree, you get educated, then you get a job, you get married and have children, and all that. Then, you become a productive member of society," etc. I guess we all know what that set-up is. It is already set up for you.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:16 AM

This trend continued until Maitreya entered college and finished his degree, a BS in Business Administration. In college he also became involved in gymnastics. After college he had two years of military training. These all went relatively comfortably and smoothly. It was one year after he finished the army that all preparations were completed for Maitreya to go to the United States for further education.

He had finished his college education and had his bachelor's degree. He came to the United States to get his master's and doctorate degrees. He thought he was just here to get his education and go back.

But when he came to the US, amazingly, he started being pushed and pulled in directions he wasn't intending to go. It was then that the greatest chapter of his life started to unfold. With a Mighty Hand, he was guided to his final realization and Revelation of God’s Plan.
When he first came to the United States, he had a couple of spiritual experiences. Also for the first time he experienced the hardship of life. Maitreya started to notice discrimination, the feeling of being an alien in another culture and all the problems related to the concepts of "mine" and "thine."

So after college and the Millitary he comes to america and all of a sudden becomes spiritual,,,,,,,,,,interesting i wonder if it was the two years in the military oh but even in the millitary he didnt know hardship until he came to america wow his family must have bin real big wigs in the middle east for him to never know harship.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:25 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/images/tarac-82.gifnotice the hollywood address.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:30 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/english/declaration.htm
There Is None Beside Him
(The Second Declaration)

On this day, Saturday (the Sabbath) of October 26, 1996 according to Christian dating, which coincides with the day of the week Pure, 5th day of the month Esa, the year 011978 of MC (Maitreya's Calendar), we declare The Presence Of Maitreya to humanity. Accompanying this Declaration is the announcement of this website which presents His Teachings and His Station to humanity.

We further declare that there is no other Maitreya but Him. There is NO Maitreya besides Him. Any other claims are false. He is the ONLY One who has fulfilled All the Prophecies of His Coming and is the Lion of the Tribe of Juda (Judah). There is none beside Him.

There has never been a proclamation/declaration, in human history, that could have been done in this way, reaching so many people, all through the earth at once. This media is the fulfillment of the prophecy:

He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause
his voice to be heard in the street.

Isaiah 42:2

Therefore:

And Esa answered and said unto
them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

For many shall come in my name,
saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:4-5

...

Wherefore if they shall say unto
you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:
behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it]
not.

For as the lightning cometh out of
the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall
also the coming of the Son of man be.

For wheresoever the carcass is,
there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:26-28

All those who have not fulfilled ALL the Prophecies (or try to fit themselves or their prophet to the Prophecies) are false prophets. If they tell you He is here, or there, or if they tell you He is in India, the Himalayas, or London, etc., do not go. Indeed you need not go anywhere. You can read our teachings, see what we have brought to humanity, and then judge who is the Truthful. Our Teachings are all online here on the Internet for all to see, examine, and judge. My sheep will respond to my call, and know my Voice. They will gather together where "the carcass is!"

Indeed this is the time for Sundering!

his own declaration tells on himself being a false one.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:50 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/images/Dark/Coronation_Br6.jpg

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:53 AM

Mr. Creme is the person who claimed Maitreya would announce his presence on earth in the spring of 1982. His Maitreya has not materialized even as of this writing (February 4, 2003).

I had never heard Mr. Creme talking before. However, after we received this e-mail from Richard, and since it was easy to find the station that carried the program, “Coast To Coast” in Albuquerque (770 KOB), I decided to listen to him for the first time.

iteresting that he was in new mexaco in the same place as one of those that data mined me and did evil to me even after i saved his daughters life in forno of him by prayer.............so the plot thickens and it looks as if when i was being severly attacked and alomost died several times is when he real started his con as well as many others.

kimball13

13-05-2009, 07:59 AM

http://www.maitreya.org/english/antichrist.htm

Conclusion: These are a few topics, which stood out in those three hours of interview between George Noory and Mr. Benjamin Creme. I am sure there is much more of Mr. Creme and his Maitreya that can be found, which contradicts the Words of God. Any person with some understanding of the Words of God and Scripture has no choice but to come to the same conclusion: What Mr. Creme represents is not from God! In fact some people already have realized this. They point out that Mr. Creme and his Maitreya teach that Esa (Jesus) was not The Christ (was overshadowed by his Maitreya, not from God, etc.). The Bible surely shows that he who denies that Esa was The Christ (Son) and He has come from God (Father) is antichrist (1John 2:22).

I do not think Mr. Creme himself is a close disciple of his Maitreya. He has not been allowed to see the depth and breadth of his work (and so is forbidden to approach his Maitreya, etc.) So he is innocently (like a lamb, we hope!) doing the work of the Devil. As it is said, he has two horns like a lamb (innocent) but talks like a dragon (preaches the words of the dragon, the Devil)http://www.maitreya.org/english/antichrist.htm

manxboz

13-05-2009, 05:07 PM

I did and I don't agree. The term "Abrahamic" brother has no biblical basis. After all, the Pharisees were the "Abrahamic" brothers of Christ but it did not save them from hell.

I didn't s that it would save them from Hell all i said is that they are our "Abrahamic" brothers, they see Jesus as a prophet and not the Son of God, that is there failing but we still love them, they are all brothers in Christ wether they know it or not.

uncia

13-05-2009, 05:31 PM

I didn't s that it would save them from Hell all i said is that they are our "Abrahamic" brothers, they see Jesus as a prophet and not the Son of God, that is there failing but we still love them, they are all brothers in Christ wether they know it or not.
No I don't love Muslims.

flyermay

13-05-2009, 05:33 PM

No I don't love Muslims.

That's probably why they also don't love you.

uncia

13-05-2009, 05:37 PM

That's probably why they also don't love you.
Muslims only love those who submit to their political ambitions. To resist the spread of Islam is to be an enemy of all muslims.

flyermay

13-05-2009, 05:45 PM

Muslims only love those who submit to their political ambitions. To resist the spread of Islam is to be an enemy of all muslims.

I'm not sure you have ever met a Muslim; have you?

mephibosheth

13-05-2009, 07:00 PM

[Muslims] see Jesus as a prophet and not the Son of God, that is there failing but we still love them

It's funny, Muslims say exactly the opposite about Christians.

But we know who is right and who is wrong, don't we.

8)

uncia

14-05-2009, 08:59 AM

I'm not sure you have ever met a Muslim; have you?
I have no desire to meet them. They are servants of anti-christ. I have met them abroad - their only desire is to extract money from you.

shiny

14-05-2009, 01:55 PM

I went to a couple of Creme lectures a few years ago and did a couple of the transmission meditations. i had a few weird experiences after those meditations which were quite scary so I didn’t go back.

Crème says that his maitreya will reveal himself on the tv, will talk telepathically to everyone in their own language and cause them to feel a rush of emotion so they will have no doubt that he is for real. This is similar to what has been laid out in project bluebeam in order to introduce a unified one-world religion.

luciferhorus

14-05-2009, 02:50 PM

I have no desire to meet them. They are servants of anti-christ. I have met them abroad - their only desire is to extract money from you.

Ad Hoc (temporarily and for a common purpose) Solidarity with Militant Islam

As much as I detest the Islamic religion, and indeed all forms of organised religion, it is important to point out that the Islamic militants are waging war 'against' the Capitalist Dijjal (anti-Messiah) system and that the Christian Capitalists are the 'allies' of the Dijjal.

http://www.drlaniac.com/images/2004_05/BushTorture.jpg

uncia

14-05-2009, 03:12 PM

Ad Hoc (temporarily and for a common purpose) Solidarity with Militant Islam

As much as I detest the Islamic religion, and indeed all forms of organised religion....
Organized religion is better that disorganized religion. Islamic militants are just as much capitalists as anyone else, except that harvest opium poppies instead of wheat.

luciferhorus

14-05-2009, 03:43 PM

Organized religion is better that disorganized religion. Islamic militants are just as much capitalists as anyone else, except that harvest opium poppies instead of wheat.

Ordo ab choas. Divide and conquer.

Yes the Muslims are Capitalists and Mohammad was a slave trader; I think if the Creator was going to send a final prophet I think that She could do a lot better than a Capitalist and a slave trader; however they are an important part of the war against Christian state terrorism. If the Muslims and Christians fight each other, it will save the Communists the trouble.

With regards to opium production in Afghanistan, the Taliban made the fatal mistake of destroying Afghan's opium production; the Christian narco-terrorists then invaded and re-installed the heroin dealers to power; Afgnaistian now produces 90% of the world's heroin and it is this which finances the black budgets of the Christian narco-terrorists.

"The fight against drugs is actually the fight for Afghanistan," said Afghan President Hamid Karzai whose brother is probably the biggest heroin dealer in the world.

Lux

_____________

Afghan President’s brother runs ‘heroin lab’ across Afghanistan, is probably the world’s biggest heroin exporter

A team of journalists working for The Daily Mail newspaper investigating the drug trade in Afghanistan have made a startling disclosure that Mr. Izzatullah Wasifi, a brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, was arrested by the U.S. authorities from Caesars Palace, California, along with his wife Fereshteh Behbahani on July 15, 1987, for the trafficking of high quality heroin. Wasifi was sentenced for three years and eight months while his wife was sentenced to three years probation. However after the formation of Karzai government in Kabul, Izzatullah Wasifi was made the Governor of Farah province of Afghanistan and later, last year, his brother, Hamid Karzai, appointed him as the all powerful Chief of Afghanistan’s General Independent Administration of Anti-Corruption with responsibilities to prevent the Opium growth and Heroin production and its illicit export. Keeping in view Mr. Wasifi’s past, it is nothing less than stunning to notice that the person who a few years ago was a drug trafficker is today Afghanistan’s chief anti-drug trafficking officer.

Wasifi used to be an anchor between the Afghan drug barons and the Western drug buyers and used to run a drug trafficking operations. The Daily Mail’s findings reveal that after being made Governor of Farah province in 2001, he established close links with at least four governors of Karzai government and formed a new, huge and comprehensive drug network. Getting investments from foreign allies, Wasifi established a massive chain of the heroin laboratories across Afghanistan. He later came up with the proposal of forming of an all powerful General Independent Administration for anti-corruption with responsibilities to check heroin production and trafficking and his brother, the Afghan President, wasted no time to appoint him the chief of the said department. According to underworld informants, Wasifi today is considered to be the world’s biggest heroin producer and trafficker with an estimated annual income of around a trillion U.S. dollars. According to some reports, his ex-wife Fereshteh Bebahani, who was convicted with him for drug trafficking in 1987 and now lives in Los Angles, California, is also one of his associates and books orders for the supply of heroin to the U.S. and Latin America.
...................

It is of great concern that the members of the Northern Alliance, who are known for their direct links to the production of opiates, constitute a considerable portion of the government at all levels. Ironically, Northern Alliance members in the Interior Ministry are now responsible for counter-narcotics operations. Furthermore, high-level officials in Kandahar, Helmand, and the Defense Ministry are also reportedly tied to the drug trade. This situation is further exacerbated by numerous recent allegations that soldiers from the interim government’s security forces have been guarding drug markets.

.... .
http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews/37-politicalnews/5760-afghanistans-president-hamid-karzais-brother-worlds-biggest-heroin-supplier.html

flyermay

14-05-2009, 04:09 PM

I have no desire to meet them. They are servants of anti-christ. I have met them abroad - their only desire is to extract money from you.

Which proves they know well what hurt's a "good" Christian the most. ;)

manxboz

14-05-2009, 04:27 PM

lottie

14-05-2009, 04:40 PM

uncia

14-05-2009, 06:20 PM

Uncia why don't you show some brotherly love, you must show people respect, Jesus loved those who didn't believe him. We need to follow the Lord's example. I've never met a Muslim but would be honoured to meet one and have a good chat with him.
... as he was piloting your plane into the side of the World Trade Centre?

I did not notice the muslims in the UK set up a fund for the victims of the London tube bombings.

Fact is that the only reason for Islam's existence is to usurp Christianity. Why wasn't Mahomet a Christian? Christianity was not good enough for him: he desired political power too, and that is the way it is with Islam. It is a politics based religion that always strives for political supremacy. Being a muslim is very unfortunate, but they are all indoctrinated. Very difficult to get anyone to recant. However doubtless there are some truth seekers in Islam. I'd be happy to meet them too, but they are clearly a minority.

mephibosheth

14-05-2009, 06:49 PM

... as he was piloting your plane into the side of the World Trade Centre?

What complete and utter ignorance.

And here's some more:

Islamic militants are just as much capitalists as anyone else, except that harvest opium poppies instead of wheat.

Using drugs and stimulants is forbidden in Islam. So calling drug lords 'Muslims' is a bit of a stretch, even if they call themselves that. Rather like saying the USA is a Christian nation, lol, and George Bush was doing God's work. And please, let's not forget who initiated and fought for the thriving drug trade in the east: The British.

The Islamic system is quite different from the system we have in the west. For one thing, a fact which our Muslims friends always remind us, Islam forbids usary--something that raises the ire of the world banking establishment. Why do you think they are trying to destabilize the east and bring ruin to Islam?

As for slavery, neither Hebrew nor Christian alike forbid slavery, but rather, supported is as a natural state of affairs. Islam at least paves the way for slavery to be gradually minimized and eliminated as unnecessary.

Fact is that the only reason for Islam's existence is to usurp Christianity.

Absolutely ludicrous. The world does not revolve around Christianity.

Islam presents a religion that is supposed to correct the errors found in earlier traditions that have been corrupted by various evil influences, to restore the original intent of the Creator for his creation. Islam in essence stands together with 'people of the book', ie, Christians and Jews, though it remonstrates them for entertaining false or heretical notions.

Why wasn't Mahomet a Christian? Christianity was not good enough for him: he desired political power too, and that is the way it is with Islam. It is a politics based religion that always strives for political supremacy.

Please demonstrate this with reference to the Qur'an.

LOL, are you saying that Jews and Christians never tried to establish their own 'political' kingdoms?

Being a muslim is very unfortunate, but they are all indoctrinated.

Exchange 'Muslim' for any religious follower here and the statement will still be valid.

Very difficult to get anyone to recant. However doubtless there are some truth seekers in Islam. I'd be happy to meet them too, but they are clearly a minority.

Since you know next to nothing about Islam and have never actually interacted with Muslim people, that's rather gross speculation.

8)

uncia

14-05-2009, 07:01 PM

What complete and utter ignorance.

Using drugs and stimulants is forbidden in Islam. So calling drug lords 'Muslims' is a bit of a stretch, even if they call themselves that. Rather like saying the USA is a Christian nation, lol, and George Bush was doing God's work. And please, let's not forget who initiated and fought for the thriving drug trade in the east: The British.

Did it escape your notice that they harvest the popies not to consume them, but to export to Western Countries to destroy them. Shows how ignorant you are of their wiley ways.

The Islamic system is quite different from the system we have in the west. For one thing, a fact which our Muslims friends always remind us, Islam forbids usary--something that raises the ire of the world banking establishment. Why do you think they are trying to destabilize the east and bring ruin to Islam?

Usury actually. They have as many cop-outs as it takes. Pure legalism.

As for slavery, neither Hebrew nor Christian alike forbid slavery, but rather, supported is as a natural state of affairs. Islam at least paves the way for slavery to be gradually minimized and eliminated as unnecessary.

Try telling that to the numerous Christians enslaved by muslims down the centuries. Surely they will condemn you on the last day, you ignorant one.

Absolutely ludicrous. The world does not revolve around Christianity.

That's only because of Islam.

Islam presents a religion that is supposed to correct the errors found in earlier traditions that have been corrupted by various evil influences, to restore the original intent of the Creator for his creation. Islam in essence stands together with 'people of the book', ie, Christians and Jews, though it remonstrates them for entertaining false or heretical notions.

Yes, I know what the Koran says, but its not what Christ says.

Please demonstrate this with reference to the Qur'an.

LOL, are you saying that Jews and Christians never tried to establish their own 'political' kingdoms?

Exchange 'Muslim' for any religious follower here and the statement will still be valid.

Since you know next to nothing about Islam and have never actually interacted with Muslim people, that's rather gross speculation.

8)
I have ancient books from the 17th century which tell me the truth about Islam. Today all you ever get fed is undiluted trash from the school education system. That is crap. You get propaganda. You know nothing because you were never taught anything. You never read the history of the beginning of Islam in your life.

flyermay

14-05-2009, 07:07 PM

... as he was piloting your plane into the side of the World Trade Centre?

I did not notice the muslims in the UK set up a fund for the victims of the London tube bombings.

Fact is that the only reason for Islam's existence is to usurp Christianity. Why wasn't Mahomet a Christian? Christianity was not good enough for him: he desired political power too, and that is the way it is with Islam. It is a politics based religion that always strives for political supremacy. Being a muslim is very unfortunate, but they are all indoctrinated. Very difficult to get anyone to recant. However doubtless there are some truth seekers in Islam. I'd be happy to meet them too, but they are clearly a minority.

Wow!!! You really need to get some help... Thank god you are a good follower of Christ, instead of going around spreading your hate.

mephibosheth

14-05-2009, 07:23 PM

Did it escape your notice that they harvest the popies not to consume them, but to export to Western Countries to destroy them. Shows how ignorant you are of their wiley ways.

LOL, and all the good Christian kids are getting high.

Try telling that to the numerous Christians enslaved by muslims down the centuries. Surely they will condemn you on the last day, you ignorant one.

Meanwhile, who were the good Christians enslaving?

That's only because of Islam.

That's one of the dumbest statements ever, but you believe what you want.

Yes, I know what the Koran says, but its not what Christ says.

Jesus does the same thing, creating a new way, a new religion, based on correcting the mistakes of the prevailing tradition.

I have ancient books from the 17th century which tell me the truth about Islam.

Do tell. They're not written by Christian missionaries by any chance?

8)

uncia

14-05-2009, 11:02 PM

Jesus does the same thing, creating a new way, a new religion, based on correcting the mistakes of the prevailing tradition.

Did it escape your notice that when Mahomet started his new religion, Christianity wasn't even practiced in Arabia. He did not seek to correct Christianity, because it did not exist. He simply bypassed Christianity altogether and converted the pagans thereabouts to his new political philosophy.

Do tell. They're not written by Christian missionaries by any chance?

8)
No, as it happens, the books are sourced on ancient Islamic authors - things they don't want you to know about at school, because it might cause you to "hate" Islam.

watson_k

14-05-2009, 11:17 PM

Did it escape your notice that when Mahomet started his new religion, Christianity wasn't even practiced in Arabia. He did not seek to correct Christianity, because it did not exist. He simply bypassed Christianity altogether and converted the pagans thereabouts to his new political philosophy.

Please re-read your History Sir. While I'm not going to get in to your silly argument here, your statement there is False.

“Paradise is prepared for those who expend alms, for those who repress their rage and
pardon men; God loves the kind.” “Free the captive, feed the orphan and poor,
believe, encourage others in patience and mercy.” “Righteousness is not that one
turns his face to East or West, but that one believes in God and the last day and the
angels and the Book and the prophets and gives one’s wealth for the love of God to
kindred and the orphans and the poor and the sons of the road and beggars and
captives, that one is steadfast in prayer and gives alms, and abides by one’s covenant
and is patient in poverty and distress and in times of violence; these are they who are
faithful believers.”

This is a quote from Mohammed. Compare it to the quote of Jesus on Brotherly Love.

uncia

14-05-2009, 11:56 PM

Source (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm)

According to Middle East scholar E.M. Wherry, whose translation of the Quran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Ba-al, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabruck: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p. 36).

Astral Religions

In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! (Islam, p. 7).

The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.

Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called "the daughters of Allah." These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Al-lah" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61)".
The Crescent Moon Symbol

The symbol of the worship of the moon god in Arabian culture and elsewhere throughout the Middle East was the crescent moon.

Archaeologists have dug up numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on top of the head of the deity to symbolize the worship of the moon god. In the same fashion as the sun is pictured above the Egyptian deity.

While the moon was generally worshiped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.

The Gods of the Quraysh

The Quraysh tribe into which Muhammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.

The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.

The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god.
Praying Toward Mecca

An Allah idol was set up at the Kebah along with all the other idols. The pagans prayed toward Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed.

It only made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and then pray. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed toward Mecca.

The worship of the moon god extended far beyond the Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in the worship of the moon.

This, in part, explains the early success of Islam among Arab groups that traditionally had worshiped the moon god.

The use of the crescent moon as the symbol for Islam which is placed on the flags of Islamic nations and on the top of mosques and minarets is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshiped as the moon god in Mecca.

While this may come as a surprise to many Christians who have wrongly assumed that Allah was simply another name for the God of the Bible, educated Muslims generally understand this point.

I don't care how much tripe you spount from the Koran. The fact is that Islam would be an Arabian-only religion if it had not been for Islamic conquest, which was an entirely military exercise. That indeed is exactly how Mahomet himself spread his religion within Arabia itself.

mephibosheth

15-05-2009, 02:02 AM

According to Middle East scholar E.M. Wherry, whose translation of the Quran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Ba-al, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabruck: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p. 36).

SOURCE=http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm

Oh please. This line is copied and pasted over and over by Christians trying to denounce Islam. And who was Mr. Wherry?

Wherry was an Anglican minister who did missionary work in India and edited an English translation of the Quran.

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Fperson=4375&Itemid=28

I thought so.

Meanwhile, I doubt his translation is 'still used today' by anyone except Christians who don't know any better.

Allah is not a moon god. Islam's whole purpose was to dispose of the idolatry that was prevelent in Arabia at the time of its revelation. Even your quote mentions the state of affairs BEFORE the advent of Islam.

The moon symbol is NOT an Islamic symbol, but dates back, I believe, to the Ottoman empire. It is not connected to the Quran or its revelations in any way--rather like the star of David is not a Hebrew symbol.

I don't care how much tripe you spount from the Koran. The fact is that Islam would be an Arabian-only religion if it had not been for Islamic conquest, which was an entirely military exercise. That indeed is exactly how Mahomet himself spread his religion within Arabia itself.

The spread of Islam globally is not always associated with military actions. I'm sure someone better versed in Islamic history might point out how and why various specific engagements happened during Mohammed's lifetime. Islam at its essence, however, is not geared towards evangelizing the world, unlike Christianity, whose swords gleefully chopped at pagans wherever they found them, subjugating any and all native populations who cared not for their dogma.

8)

uncia

15-05-2009, 08:09 AM

-Allah is not a moon god. Islam's whole purpose was to dispose of the idolatry that was prevelent in Arabia at the time of its revelation. Even your quote mentions the state of affairs BEFORE the advent of Islam.

The moon symbol is NOT an Islamic symbol, but dates back, I believe, to the Ottoman empire. It is not connected to the Quran or its revelations in any way--rather like the star of David is not a Hebrew symbol.

And you are a liar.

The spread of Islam globally is not always associated with military actions. I'm sure someone better versed in Islamic history might point out how and why various specific engagements happened during Mohammed's lifetime. Islam at its essence, however, is not geared towards evangelizing the world, unlike Christianity, whose swords gleefully chopped at pagans wherever they found them, subjugating any and all native populations who cared not for their dogma.

Again you are a liar. You are simply spouting out Islamic propaganda that you find on a 1000 web sites. It makes me cringe to see how much they misrepresent the origins of Islam. And if what you say about Christianity was true, why was not India / Parkistan / Afghanistan /Iraq forcibly converted from Hinduism and Islam to Christianity at the point of a sword? Again you are nothing but a natural born liar.

mephibosheth

15-05-2009, 06:16 PM

And you are a liar.

Slanderous ad hominems. The last resort of people too weak minded to contribute anything worthwhile.

What parts of my text are 'lies' exactly?

Fact: The crescent moon is not an Islamic symbol, despite its use in Islamic nations, on flags, or even on mosques. There is nothing in the Quran that suggests Muslims should use the crescent moon as a symbol for God.

Fact: Allah is not a moon god, no matter what the status of astrology was prior to the advent of Islam. This bit of nonsense has been answered a million times in great detail, but Christians keep repeating the same old accusations in their fervent drive to deliberately misunderstand the essence of Islam.

Fact: Islam does not always spread by military action. Of course there are and have been conflicts. But this is nothing new, nor is it exclusive to Islam. It happens whenever opposing political forces cannot agree to live peacefully together.

Fact: Christians have been subjugating native populations where they found them once they decided to set sail from Europe. Oh, you might say, those folks weren't really Christians. And if that argument works, then, oh, those folks who 'spread Islam' by military actions aren't 'really Muslims'. Islam asks Muslims to live in peace and not disturb anyone or get into conflicts unless they are attacked first. The nations of Christians, on the other hand, gave rise to bloodthirsty capitalism and the era of imperialism.

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mephibosheth

15-05-2009, 09:10 PM

Meanwhile, I think we can all agree that this Maitreya business is total bunk.

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manxboz

16-05-2009, 01:26 PM

Meanwhile, I think we can all agree that this Maitreya business is total bunk.

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Yes we can.

consciousness

20-07-2011, 06:24 PM

This is quite an old thread, but what do you guys think of Maitreya ?

I've always thought him to be the anti-christ in religious terms. However, there are even videos on youtube stating that the anti-christ will be a demonic shape shifter. It's plausible.

Something very eery about this fella.

Thoughts?

consciousness

20-07-2011, 06:25 PM

site

http://www.maitreya.org/english/GS-ANIM.HTM

dr steam

21-07-2011, 04:31 AM

Did it escape your notice that when Mahomet started his new religion, Christianity wasn't even practiced in Arabia.

Why don't you read some books.....!

Egypt is identified in the Bible as the place of refuge that the Holy Family sought in its flight[4] from Judea: "When he [Joseph] arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, and was there until the death of Herod the Great, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt I called My Son" (Matthew 2:12–23).

The Egyptian Church, which is now more than 1,900 years old, regards itself as the subject of many prophecies in the Old Testament. Isaiah the prophet, in Chapter 19, Verse 19 says "In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD at its border."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria

Maitreya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViVI7cMZoD8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gi68lzwzYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvA6BbMeb0&feature=related

"Benjamin Creme has been announcing the coming of a high master called "Maitreya" for 20 years now. I remember first reading the full page ads he put in newspapers in the early 80's and being intrigued. I must admit I really can't figure this one out. Although the claims about this spiritual figure are fairly "out there" in some regards it is hard to find fault with his messages as published at the site of Share International

"The group seems to have emerged from the Theosophical teachings of Madame Blavatsky :eek:and Annie Besant:eek:, which has always talked of a group of Tibetan high masters who work in telepathic manner to uplift the world. Creme says that these master have now taken physical bodies in various parts of the world, including the Master Jesus and Master Maitreya. Soon, after the financial collapse, they will emerge and reveal themselves for the rebuilding of the world.

It is interesting to note that J. Krishnamurti was originally the one put forward as being Maitreya, the returned Buddha, from the time he was discovered by the Theosophists at age 13. He was raised by them from that age to be the "World Teacher." But Krishnamurti became disillusioned with all the spiritual gobbledy-gook in 1929 and, in a famous speech, disolved the whole Order of the Star which had been built up around him saying emphatically "Truth is a pathless land." Of course many of the Theosophists were shattered by this. Some went on to follow K. into the "pathless land," and others stayed with Theosophy convinced that the Maytreya manifestation had failed and that they must be patient and await further for the arrival of the true Maitreya. Now Benjamin Creme is saying that the moment is at hand, just after the global economic collapse."
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/37398

dr steam

21-07-2011, 06:11 AM

Ordo ab choas. Divide and conquer.

Yes the Muslims are Capitalists and Mohammad was a slave trader; I think if the Creator was going to send a final prophet I think that She could do a lot better than a Capitalist ]

Regarding Capitalism and Interest:

"In ancient biblical Israel, it was against the Law of Moses to charge interest on private loans.[3] During the Middle Ages, time was considered to be the property of God. Therefore, to charge interest was considered to be commerce with God's property.[citation needed] Also, St. Thomas Aquinas, the leading theologian of the Catholic Church, argued that the charging of interest is wrong because it amounts to "double charging", charging for both the thing and the use of the thing. The church regarded this as a sin of usury; nevertheless, this rule was never strictly obeyed and eroded gradually until it disappeared during the industrial revolution.[citation needed]

Usury has always been viewed negatively by the Roman Catholic Church. The Second Lateran Council condemned any repayment of a debt with more money than was originally loaned, the Council of Vienna explicitly prohibited usury and declared any legislation tolerant of usury to be heretical, and the first scholastics reproved the charging of interest. In the medieval economy, loans were entirely a consequence of necessity (bad harvests, fire in a workplace) and, under those conditions, it was considered morally reproachable to charge interest.[citation needed] It was also considered morally dubious, since no goods were produced through the lending of money, and thus it should not be compensated, unlike other activities with direct physical output such as blacksmithing or farming.[4]

As Jewish citizens were ostracized from most professions by local rulers, the church and the guilds, they were pushed into marginal occupations considered socially inferior, such as tax and rent collecting and moneylending. Natural tensions between creditors and debtors were added to social, political, religious, and economic strains. ...financial oppression of Jews tended to occur in areas where they were most disliked, and if Jews reacted by concentrating on moneylending to non-Jews, the unpopularity — and so, of course, the pressure — would increase.

Thus the Jews became an element in a vicious circle. The Christians, on the basis of the Biblical rulings, condemned interest-taking absolutely, and from 1179 those who practiced it were excommunicated. Catholic autocrats frequently imposed the harshest financial burdens on the Jews. The Jews reacted by engaging in the one business where Christian laws actually discriminated in their favor, and became identified with the hated trade of moneylending.

Interest has often been looked down upon in Islamic civilization as well for the same reason for which usury was forbidden by the Catholic Church, with most scholars agreeing that the Qur'an explicitly forbids charging interest. Medieval jurists therefore developed several financial instruments to encourage responsible lending."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interest

plat57us

21-07-2011, 05:22 PM

Why don't you read some books.....!

Egypt is identified in the Bible as the place of refuge that the Holy Family sought in its flight[4] from Judea: "When he [Joseph] arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, and was there until the death of Herod the Great, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt I called My Son" (Matthew 2:12–23).

The Egyptian Church, which is now more than 1,900 years old, regards itself as the subject of many prophecies in the Old Testament. Isaiah the prophet, in Chapter 19, Verse 19 says "In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD at its border."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria

Maitreya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViVI7cMZoD8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gi68lzwzYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvA6BbMeb0&feature=related

"Benjamin Creme has been announcing the coming of a high master called "Maitreya" for 20 years now. I remember first reading the full page ads he put in newspapers in the early 80's and being intrigued. I must admit I really can't figure this one out. Although the claims about this spiritual figure are fairly "out there" in some regards it is hard to find fault with his messages as published at the site of Share International

"The group seems to have emerged from the Theosophical teachings of Madame Blavatsky :eek:and Annie Besant:eek:, which has always talked of a group of Tibetan high masters who work in telepathic manner to uplift the world. Creme says that these master have now taken physical bodies in various parts of the world, including the Master Jesus and Master Maitreya. Soon, after the financial collapse, they will emerge and reveal themselves for the rebuilding of the world.

It is interesting to note that J. Krishnamurti was originally the one put forward as being Maitreya, the returned Buddha, from the time he was discovered by the Theosophists at age 13. He was raised by them from that age to be the "World Teacher." But Krishnamurti became disillusioned with all the spiritual gobbledy-gook in 1929 and, in a famous speech, disolved the whole Order of the Star which had been built up around him saying emphatically "Truth is a pathless land." Of course many of the Theosophists were shattered by this. Some went on to follow K. into the "pathless land," and others stayed with Theosophy convinced that the Maytreya manifestation had failed and that they must be patient and await further for the arrival of the true Maitreya. Now Benjamin Creme is saying that the moment is at hand, just after the global economic collapse."
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/37398

Maiterya will be the false prophet, BEWARE!!