Personal freedom. What is it?

[vestnikra]

"Personal freedom is impossible without economic freedom. A working family, even one living in a modern city apartment, cannot be free, dependent as it is on an employer who determines one’s salary, on utility companies with the power to supply or withhold heat, water and electricity, on the availability of groceries and on the prices of food products and consumer services. The family is slave to all of these, and the children in such a family are born into a slave mentality."

-- Vladimir Megre, from Book 5 "Who Are We?" of the Ringing Cedar series of Books

Any comments?

[flyermay]

"Personal freedom is impossible without economic freedom. A working family, even one living in a modern city apartment, cannot be free, dependent as it is on an employer who determines one’s salary, on utility companies with the power to supply or withhold heat, water and electricity, on the availability of groceries and on the prices of food products and consumer services. The family is slave to all of these, and the children in such a family are born into a slave mentality."

-- Vladimir Megre, from Book 5 "Who Are We?" of the Ringing Cedar series of Books

Any comments?

You're absolutely right, but you forgot the most important one: that between a quarter and half of your imcome pays for your taxes (depending on were you live and how much you earn).

[vestnikra]

You're absolutely right, but you forgot the most important one: that between a quarter and half of your imcome pays for your taxes (depending on were you live and how much you earn).


That's right. So is there a way out?
How to become independent from the salaries, taxes, supplyers of food, water, electricity etc.?

[flyermay]

That's right. So is there a way out?
How to become independent from the salaries, taxes, supplyers of food, water, electricity etc.?

Yes there is, but I don't think it would be legal to post it on a forum. ;)

[vestnikra]

Yes there is, but I don't think it would be legal to post it on a forum. ;)
Are you serious?
Don't hesitate, say it! :)

[flyermay]

Are you serious?
Don't hesitate, say it! :)

I don't think there is a one formula that would work for everyone; it depends a lot on your personal situation.

But it is essential that you are not already caught by the system in any way; like having family responsibilities, debts, and much less mortgages (if you have any of those, the idea of economic freedom is practicaly over for you). Then you also need to be a bit like a bohemian, and stay away from a capitalist life style and from the many traps set for you along the way; basically, don't let the media tell you how you shoud live and what you should be.

If you are already in that situation, you are just a step from making it.

[vestnikra]

I don't think there is a one formula that would work for everyone; it depends a lot on your personal situation.

But it is essential that you are not already caught by the system in any way; like having family responsibilities, debts, and much less mortgages (if you have any of those, the idea of economic freedom is practicaly over for you). Then you also need to be a bit like a bohemian, and stay away from a capitalist life style and from the many traps set for you along the way; basically, don't let the media tell you how you shoud live and what you should be.

If you are already in that situation, you are just a step from making it.

I belive this can do everyone, it just takes more or less time.
Here is one example of independent but happy and self-sufficient life:
What is Self-sufficient people? - YouTube

[metacomet]

Self-dependence or the ability to be self-reliant without the oppression of outside forces. I would consider that the definition of personal freedom.

[flyermay]

I belive this can do everyone, it just takes more or less time.
Here is one example of independent but happy and self-sufficient life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH5W7utCjKA

Self-dependence or the ability to be self-reliant without the oppression of outside forces. I would consider that the definition of personal freedom.

That's probably the best way of doing it; disconnecting completely from society.

In the middle of a city you probably will never reach such levels of freedom, but you can try to make the best of it and try to get as close as you can; which I guess is better than no freedom at all (at least you can avoid being a slave of the system).

[motleyhoo]

Move to a small farm (you only need a couple acres), drill a well, and install alternative power. The extra power you sell back during the day will pay for the utility power that you'll need at night. Sell your produce at farmer's markets or wherever, and make sure your income is just below the income tax threshold. That's what I am planning on doing.

This will not ensure your complete independence from the man, but if TPTB orchestrate a compete collapse you can give them the finger as you live off of your own land, water, and power.

I think you would be amazed at the number of people who are already doing this.

[vestnikra]

That's probably the best way of doing it; disconnecting completely from society.

In the middle of a city you probably will never reach such levels of freedom, but you can try to make the best of it and try to get as close as you can; which I guess is better than no freedom at all (at least you can avoid being a slave of the system).

Those people living in ecovillages of Kin's domains do not completely discconnect themselves from the society but they are self-dependent and they can freely choose whether connect to it or not.

[decim]

Move to a small farm (you only need a couple acres), drill a well, and install alternative power. The extra power you sell back during the day will pay for the utility power that you'll need at night. Sell your produce at farmer's markets or wherever, and make sure your income is just below the income tax threshold. That's what I am planning on doing.

This will not ensure your complete independence from the man, but if TPTB orchestrate a compete collapse you can give them the finger as you live off of your own land, water, and power.

I think you would be amazed at the number of people who are already doing this.

I think you'd be amazed at the number of people who would love to do this.

This would be my def of personal freedom, a modest amount of land, free from pedantic restriction.

They booted us off the land with the enclosures act, now you can't get back on it without a minimum £250,000 for land & family dwelling.

I miss the countryside.

[vestnikra]

Self-dependence or the ability to be self-reliant without the oppression of outside forces. I would consider that the definition of personal freedom.

Yes that is a good definition, thank you!
Can a man be "self-reliant without the oppression of outside forces" in a modern city environment? I guess, not! If this man is not a saint or a prophet. :)