New Age Religion

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JMBi48wdHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OLr__1I8mU

A film that exposes the new age side of the new world order and the agents that were put in place to infiltrate the anti-nwo movement.

[1337]

i saw tony blair on TV last night, Calling for a new world religion.

[lightgiver]

i saw tony blair on TV last night, Calling for a new world religion.

Does not surprise me,

TONY BLAIR THE COMING ONE WORLD RELIGION
Former UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair has created the Tony Blair Faith Foundation to unify the world’s religions. Blair is especially interested in promoting the benefits of globalization to Christian churches. There are a number of prominent American ministers who have endorsed his Tony Blair Faith Foundation with its emphasis on globalization or global government. In Revelation we read about this coming one world religion and the False Prophet who unites the world’s religions in order to bring peace to Planet Earth under the rule of Antichrist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjvOYsAPiZE

http://paulmcguireblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/tony-blair-coming-one-world-religion.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vho83NtVTp4

http://www.britishblogs.co.uk/categories/one-world-religion/

[dedicate]

Problem with these videos (I can't view them, but I'm going off past experience) and these people who "expose" the New Age movement is they do not see the good side.-- ever. That is, they will group all groups, who channel information, together and see them as part of the NWO agenda. So we see that Blavatsky is assosiated with Crowley, or Francis Bacon is assosiated with John Dee. Really these expose's will rarely see the use of Tarot Cards, Kabbala, Eastern Mysticism, Astrology, or the many other tools used by the New Age in a light other than negative. There are exceptions.

Isn't this where the individual and investigator is called upon to use his powers of discrimination to understand the right use of knowledge and the wrong use of knowledge? After going away from these investigator's presentations we usually have the impression that no person has ever used the Occult knowledge for any good.

An example is fact that many secret-societies have been working toward a New World Order for a very long time now. It wasn't always called this (what did Hitler call it int he title of that book? My New Order?) -- Norvo Ordor Conceptus?.. or New Order of the Ages. So the investigator will see that Francis Bacon was preaching the gospel of a New World and of course this is the World Order we see today, he was advocating.

But was it? Or was he saying there was a divinely inspireded condition for all men to live under. Yes something to bring into society, but based on brotherhood and equality/fairness etc...-- a land across the sea to plant the seed, the New Land and New World. And he financed, endorsed America for this very purpose.

So we see that the bad guys and the good guys are always using the same words, always using the same tools, always doing things that may look similar.. but are not the same thing to the discriminating mind.

[miracles]

i saw tony blair on TV last night, Calling for a new world religion.

Really? Now that freaks me out.

Last nite on the tele the Pope declared his deep respect for Islam. The one wolrd religion under ant-christ is on its way folks. Get saved.

[manxboz]

I heard about an act that is being put though the E.U. parliment about rescriting Christianity and how we have to keep stum about our faith.

[miracles]

Problem with these videos (I can't view them, but I'm going off past experience) and these people who "expose" the New Age movement is they do not see the good side.-- ever. That is, they will group all groups, who channel information, together and see them as part of the NWO agenda. So we see that Blavatsky is assosiated with Crowley, or Francis Bacon is assosiated with John Dee. Really these expose's will rarely see the use of Tarot Cards, Kabbala, Eastern Mysticism, Astrology, or the many other tools used by the New Age in a light other than negative. There are exceptions.

Isn't this where the individual and investigator is called upon to use his powers of discrimination to understand the right use of knowledge and the wrong use of knowledge? After going away from these investigator's presentations we usually have the impression that no person has ever used the Occult knowledge for any good.

An example is fact that many secret-societies have been working toward a New World Order for a very long time now. It wasn't always called this (what did Hitler call it int he title of that book? My New Order?) -- Norvo Ordor Conceptus?.. or New Order of the Ages. So the investigator will see that Francis Bacon was preaching the gospel of a New World and of course this is the World Order we see today, he was advocating.

But was it? Or was he saying there was a divinely inspireded condition for all men to live under. Yes something to bring into society, but based on brotherhood and equality/fairness etc...-- a land across the sea to plant the seed, the New Land and New World. And he financed, endorsed America for this very purpose.

So we see that the bad guys and the good guys are always using the same words, always using the same tools, always doing things that may look similar.. but are not the same thing to the discriminating mind.

The good side of it is that these people are and will bring about "peace" in the world and the leader of it will be Satan, but we know that after the world has been united that this is when the seven years of great tribulation will start. So on the one hand, yes a type of peace will happen, but this is just the calm before the storm. It's all revelations 101 mate. So now that I have acknowledged the good parts, do you feel better now?

[darketernal]

Yes they have a plan for a new world religion, but it is very much an error to say that this has anything to do with them hating "Christ". Their ancestors created the Christian faith, the Christian writings and doctrines and they created it to have a finite life. They have always owned Christianity, and simply seek to move it the next transition in their plan. It is their creation and property, and they have a right to do with it as they please. Those who follow such faiths, have willing made themselves their property, and will be treated accordingly, by the PTB.

[lightgiver]

They(elites) have used religion and faith for their own means,whoever s name it is in,just the same with politics and the NWO,they have all been infiltrated.

May 1, 1776 - Adam Weishaupt (code named Spartacus) establishes a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati. Weishaupt is the Professor of Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt in Bavaria, part of Germany. [This date, May Day, is to become highly significant to the Soviet Communists. They held festive military parades on this day.] The Illuminati seek to establish a New World Order. Their objectives are as follows:
1) Abolition of all ordered governments
2) Abolition of private property
3) Abolition of inheritance
4) Abolition of patriotism
5) Abolition of the family
6) Abolition of religion
7) Creation of a world government

1848 - Moses Mordecai Marx Levy, alias Karl Marx, writes "The Communist Manifesto." Marx is a member of an Illuminati front organization called the League of the Just. He not only advocates economic and political changes; he advocates moral and spiritual changes as well. He believes the family should be abolished and that all children should be raised by a central authority. He expresses his attitude toward God by saying: "We must war against all prevailing ideas of religion, of the state, of country, of patriotism. The idea of God is the keynote of a perverted civilization. It must be destroyed."

1934 - "The Externalization of the Hierarchy" by Alice Bailey is published. Bailey is an occultist, taking over from Annie Besant as head of the Theosophical Society. Bailey's works are channeled from a spirit guide, the Tibetan Master [demon spirit] Djwahl Kuhl. [Her teachings form the foundation for the current New Age movement.] She writes: "The hour for the ancient mysteries has arrived. These Ancient Mysteries were hidden in numbers, in ritual, in words, and in symbology; these veil the secret. There is no question therefore that the work to be done in familiarizing the general public with the nature of the Mysteries is of paramount importance at this time. These Mysteries will be restored to outer expression through the medium of the Church and the Masonic Fraternity." She further states: "Out of the spoliation of all existing culture and civilization, the new world order must be built." [The book is published by the Lucis Trust, incorporated originally in New York as the Lucifer Publishing Company. Lucis Trust is a United Nations NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) and has been a major player at the recent UN summits. Later, Assistant Secretary General of the U.N. Robert Muller would credit the creation of his World Core Curriculum for education to the underlying teachings of Djwahl Kuhl, via Alice Bailey's writings on the subject.]

http://www.illuminati-news.com/teenage-jesus.htm

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=36830437

[miracles]

Yes they have a plan for a new world religion, but it is very much an error to say that this has anything to do with them hating "Christ". Their ancestors created the Christian faith, the Christian writings and doctrines and they created it to have a finite life. They have always owned Christianity, and simply seek to move it the next transition in their plan. It is their creation and property, and they have a right to do with it as they please. Those who follow such faiths, have willing made themselves their property, and will be treated accordingly, by the PTB.

Yes they own counterfeit Christianity. However a well informed Christian knows that the one world Religion that embraces all faiths under the guise of creating peace (which will appear as a good thing) knows who is really behind it). It isn't God. It is the fallen god of this fallen world. A true Christian will not/can not be a part of this, consequently it is very likely that true Christians will become more and more ostricised, more and more muzzled and eventually like the Bonhoffers of this world, murdered. They may well own what Christianity has become, but they do not own the true followers of "the Way." Any more than they own a well informed free thinker like your good self. You strike me as the sort of bloke who will go down kicking and screaming againts the NWO, well so am I. Im sorry DE, but one can not deny that at the very core of this NWO movement is a very sick twisted "christ hating (ant-christ)" beating heart

[darketernal]

Yes they own counterfeit Christianity. However a well informed Christian knows that the one world Religion that embraces all faiths under the guise of creating peace (which will appear as a good thing) knows who is really behind it). It isn't God. It is the fallen god of this fallen world. A true Christian will not/can not be a part of this, consequently it is very likely that true Christians will become more and more ostricised, more and more muzzled and eventually like the Bonhoffers of this world, murdered. They may well own what Christianity has become, but they do not own the true followers of "the Way." Any more than they own a well informed free thinker like your good self. You strike me as the sort of bloke who will go down kicking and screaming againts the NWO, well so am I. Im sorry DE, but one can not deny that at the very core of this NWO movement is very sick "christ hating (ant-christ)" beating heart

I can very much deny that those behind the NWO are "Christ hating". I've not seen one thing in my entire life which would suggest they are, and have seen a great deal to suggest the opposite. You are of course entitled to your view on this, but I respectfully disagree.

[dedicate]

Miracles said to Dedicate: "The good side of it is that these people are and will bring about "peace" in the world and the leader of it will be Satan, but we know that after the world has been united that this is when the seven years of great tribulation will start. So on the one hand, yes a type of peace will happen, but this is just the calm before the storm. It's all revelations 101 mate. So now that I have acknowledged the good parts, do you feel better now?"

Well -- I never mentioned "peace" but the Bible does say "Blessed are the Peacemakers". So I don't understand you. As if I ever do.

I don't believe in the "7 years peace" thing like the fundamentalist seem to believe. And I am not agreeing these things you mention are of any good. That's not the good I see.

[miracles]

Miracles said to Dedicate: "The good side of it is that these people are and will bring about "peace" in the world and the leader of it will be Satan, but we know that after the world has been united that this is when the seven years of great tribulation will start. So on the one hand, yes a type of peace will happen, but this is just the calm before the storm. It's all revelations 101 mate. So now that I have acknowledged the good parts, do you feel better now?"

Well -- I never mentioned "peace" but the Bible does say "Blessed are the Peacemakers". So I don't understand you. As if I ever do.

I don't believe in the "7 years peace" thing like the fundamentalist seem to believe. And I am not agreeing these things you mention are of any good. That's not the good I see.



these people who "expose" the New Age movement is they do not see the good side.-- ever

So what good should we be seeing in the new age movement then? By the way, seven years tribuation doesnt mean peace. It's the exact opposite?

[miracles]

I can very much deny that those behind the NWO are "Christ hating". I've not seen one thing in my entire life which would suggest they are, and have seen a great deal to suggest the opposite. You are of course entitled to your view on this, but I respectfully disagree.

DO I assume form this that you are a behind the scenes person in the NWO? And do I assume that Christians will be able to go along with their beliefs in peace.

[metacomet]

Yes they own counterfeit Christianity. However a well informed Christian knows that the one world Religion that embraces all faiths under the guise of creating peace (which will appear as a good thing) knows who is really behind it). It isn't God. It is the fallen god of this fallen world.

Others may accuse you of extremism but there is truth in what you say... perhaps not literal truth that others might understand, but truth.

[dedicate]

Read your Bible, Miracles. The Bible talks about a New Age,-- does it not? Many many people are and have been on the Vanguard of this New Age,, ushering it in so to speak. That is the good they are doing. Preparing souls and the Earth for the day when Brotherhood and Peace is the standard. This was the idea behind Francis Bacon's support of America, as the place where the New Age could take root.

I'm sure you have your views of what the New Age will be like. Maybe you even believe that people will rise from the dead in body form and Jesus will rule the world as bodily King. -- maybe that is your view. Then I can understand how you will have no concept of good in the New Age movement. If that is your view.

If so, then now we understand why you don't get where I'm coming from when I say, "The good in the New Age movement". You believe only that one must prepare for the New Age by accepting Jesus as Lord.. and then when the New Age comes about,, you will be there to take part. ., and the New AGe will come about via some mysterious work of the Divine and create a paradise on Earth.. Is that what you are saying?

But I'm saying people are actually doing something now in the world to make that New Age the best Age it can be. They are preparing the way for what could be an era of Peace and Prosperity like the Earth has never seen. I'm saying we are working to bring it about in very practical ways. You on the other hand ,,, just want to Accept Christ,, and go standby till that day.. and convert others to do the same, of couse. Like that is the great good you are doing for the New Age. You say, "It's all in God's hands". Well it IS!! But he has, by His great and powerful wisdom, put some of it in our hands also. So a lot of the Peace and Prosperity and how that will be experienced depends on us DOING SOMETHING TODAY.-- preparing for a day of Brotherhood among all men.. For the Fundamentalist Christian like yourself the work would be to develop tolerance for other people's views -- Islam Hindu included,, then we can work on some other things. But the time is short.


But then we have the point I made but you disagreed with.. the New Age discussed by Jesus,, is where we get the term New World Order. They are the same term, New World Order, The New World, New Order of the Ages, The World Order, New Age, Age of Aquarius.. The term in differing forms has been around a long time. Point is, even the Christian Fundamentalist will say there is going to be a New Age. So when people rail on the "New Age",, even the fundamentalist and bible believer can understand that there is some good in the idea of a New Age. It's in the Bible,, but those who expose the New Age usually miss the good!!!!! And we see the Bad Guys are using the same concept here as the good guys,,, New World Order,, New Age,, same term same etimology.-- even in your view.-- the good guys and the bad guys have been using the same concept, idea, and term.-- trying to bring in a world completely different from the one we have known.-- Their "New World" is based on control, murder, Satan and their plan for us, the good "New Age" will be based on brotherhood, freedom, peace, Christ and is God's plan for us.

Miracles -- I too agree with your comments toward Darketernal. They own counterfeit Christianity. There is a true Christianity they have nothing to do with. And NWO is counter to Christ.

[marpat]

Really? Now that freaks me out.

Last nite on the tele the Pope declared his deep respect for Islam. The one wolrd religion under ant-christ is on its way folks. Get saved.

I suppose by being a christian?

[lightgiver]

People have the freedom to follow what religion they please.Some proof would be good for all those who reckon they know what's what about religion and bloodlines.

To say certain people did not exist throughout history is like saying the Pharaohs did not exist,the Roman emperors did not exist,we are all aware history and events has been manipulated and our true origins are being withheld,but to say certain historical figures did not exist is flimsy to say the least.

Some Proof would be good and not just some web page of the internet saying a certain family invented Christ or a NWO vid(zeitgeist)stating the same,come on lets get historical here.

[luciferhorus]

A film that exposes the new age side of the new world order and the agents that were put in place to infiltrate the anti-nwo movement.

On New Age / Aeon spirituality?

Spirituality and organised religion are 'always' syncretic (from a mixture of sources).

Dell vs. Wallmart

Wallmart.

If you are not very computer literate, you might walk into Wallmart (US) or PC World (UK) and take the recommendation of a salesperson and simply buy a computer off the shelf; this is much like a person who is not very religiously literate (educated) and who just chooses and old Aeon religion like Christianity and Masonry where you unquestioningly accept a ready made package of beliefs and rituals laid down by a professional (i.e., a priest, a religious hypocrite) etc., of which there are many forms of slavation on sale for capitalist coin to suit most needs which you just buy into.

Dell.

Alternatively if you are computer literate and you have specialist needs (such as HD video editing, for example) you can order a PC direct from Dell on the Internet and customise it uniquely to suit yourself; rejecting some unecessary components and requesting certain advanced components; this is much like New Aeon spirituality; it is very much a P.C. for the spiritually literate (educated) which you have designed yourself to suit your own personal requirements.

Syncretism and the New Aeon.

The spiritualist of New Aeon syncretism simply builds their own views around the myriads of existing views; they might accept or reject reincarnation, or afterlife beliefs, add a few grams of neo-Buddhism and neo-Hinduism, while rejecting much that they consider antiquated and overtly superstitious, they might reject the whole baggage of Christian theology from the council of Nicea to Aquinas and the ridiculousness of trinitarian (polytheistic) monotheism, but they might import some of the better aspects of the philosophy of Jesus, stopping short of worshipping him as an object of idolatry and so forth, and then they may add a few grams from the conclusions of quantum physics and the theories of universal singularity; a few more grams of Crowley, while rejecting much of his cult elitism, and so forth.

All in all New Aeon spiritualists may not go as far as Dawkins and the atheists, wants them to go, but in all it is a more rational and free thinking approach to spirituality; it is what I do; it is what many neo-pagans do.

With New Aeon spirituality there there is no package of organised religion to buy into; it is more of an individual's personal philosophy and spiritualism than an organised religion; it is the direction which much of the children of the first world are moving in and it is altogether healthy.

Death of the Old Aeon religions and religious philosophies

Firstly I should point out that 'Christianity,' 'Masonry' and the existing economic and religious establishment and ready made philosophies represent the old Aeon, not the New Aeon; thus they have much to be threatened by from the proponents of New Aeon spirituality who have no need of such ready made packages and experts selling salvation, for they are their own experts.

LL

Lux
Aeon of Lucifer 2009.

[lightgiver]

On New Age / Aeon spirituality?

Spirituality and organised religion are 'always' syncretic (from a mixture of sources).

Dell vs. Wallmart

Wallmart.

If you are not very computer literate, you might walk into Wallmart (US) or PC World (UK) and take the recommendation of a salesperson and simply buy a computer off the shelf; this is much like a person who is not very religiously literate (educated) and whose just chooses and old Aeon religion like Christianity and Masonry where you unquestioningly accept a ready made package of beliefs and rituals laid down by a professional (i.e., a priest, a religious hypocrite) etc., of which there are many forms of slavation on sale for capitalist coin to suit most needs which you just buy into.

Dell.

Alternatively if you are computer literate and you have specialist needs (such as HD video editing, for example) you can order a PC direct from Dell on the Internet and customise it uniquely to suit yourself; rejecting some unecessary components and requesting certain advanced components; this is much like New Aeon spirituality; it is very much a P.C. for the spiritually literate (educated) which you have designed yourself to suit your own personal requirements.

Syncretism and the New Aeon.

The spiritualist of New Aeon syncretism simply builds their own views around the myriads of existing views; they might accept or reject reincarnation, or afterlife beliefs, add a few grams of neo-Buddhism and neo-Hinduism, while rejecting much that they consider antiquated and overtly superstitious, they might reject the whole baggage of Christian theology from the council of Nicea to Aquinas and the ridiculousness of trinitarian (polytheistic) monotheism, but they might import some of the better aspects of the philosophy of Jesus, stopping short of worshipping him as an object of idolatry and so forth, and then they may add a few grams from the conclusions of quantum physics and the theories of universal singularity; a few more grams of Crowley, while rejecting much of his cult elitism, and so forth.

All in all New Aeon spiritualism may not go as far as Dawkins and the atheists, wants them to go, but in all it is a more rational and free thinking approach to spirituality; it is what I do; it is what many neo-pagans do.

With New Aeon spirituality there there is no package of organised religion to buy into; it is more of an individual's personal philosophy and spiritualism than an organised religion; it is the direction which much of the children of the first world are moving in and it is altogether healthy.

Death of the Old Aeon religions and religious philosophies

Firstly I should point out that 'Christianity,' 'Masonry' and the existing economic and religious establishment and ready made philosophies represent the old Aeon, not the New Aeon; thus they have much to be threatened by from the proponents of New Aeon spirituality who have no need of such ready made packages and experts selling salvation, for they are their own experts.

LL

Lux
Aeon of Lucifer 2009.

So your New age spiritualism is just like religion,be happy in your practise and lets hope one day no one comes along and perverts your practise or religion for their own ends.

[dedicate]

And another thing we never see addressed in these films is the New Age movement is not limited to just Religion, and Crystal therapy. The New Age Vanguard has been sprouting for over 100 years now and encompasses every area of life.

All modern inventions such as the Telephone, motor car, radio, airplane, computer, etc... are New Age inventions. This is good.

Also, all men who have worked for world peace are men who exemplify and call for the New Age. Men like JFK, MLK, Ghandi, are men who are looking ahead at the New Age. This is good.

Then in the area of Health. The wholistic movement is new age. Wilhelm Reich and his Orgone is New age. Vegetarianisms, message, accupunture, organics, -- all new age,, all good things,, never mentioned by these videos.

Freedom for women. Equel rights for all people. -- These are all New Age influences.

[miracles]

Read your Bible, Miracles. The Bible talks about a New Age,-- does it not? Many many people are and have been on the Vanguard of this New Age,, ushering it in so to speak. That is the good they are doing. Preparing souls and the Earth for the day when Brotherhood and Peace is the standard. This was the idea behind Francis Bacon's support of America, as the place where the New Age could take root.

I'm sure you have your views of what the New Age will be like. Maybe you even believe that people will rise from the dead in body form and Jesus will rule the world as bodily King. -- maybe that is your view. Then I can understand how you will have no concept of good in the New Age movement. If that is your view.

If so, then now we understand why you don't get where I'm coming from when I say, "The good in the New Age movement". You believe only that one must prepare for the New Age by accepting Jesus as Lord.. and then when the New Age comes about,, you will be there to take part. ., and the New AGe will come about via some mysterious work of the Divine and create a paradise on Earth.. Is that what you are saying?

But I'm saying people are actually doing something now in the world to make that New Age the best Age it can be. They are preparing the way for what could be an era of Peace and Prosperity like the Earth has never seen. I'm saying we are working to bring it about in very practical ways. You on the other hand ,,, just want to Accept Christ,, and go standby till that day.. and convert others to do the same, of couse. Like that is the great good you are doing for the New Age. You say, "It's all in God's hands". Well it IS!! But he has, by His great and powerful wisdom, put some of it in our hands also. So a lot of the Peace and Prosperity and how that will be experienced depends on us DOING SOMETHING TODAY.-- preparing for a day of Brotherhood among all men.. For the Fundamentalist Christian like yourself the work would be to develop tolerance for other people's views -- Islam Hindu included,, then we can work on some other things. But the time is short.


But then we have the point I made but you disagreed with.. the New Age discussed by Jesus,, is where we get the term New World Order. They are the same term, New World Order, The New World, New Order of the Ages, The World Order, New Age, Age of Aquarius.. The term in differing forms has been around a long time. Point is, even the Christian Fundamentalist will say there is going to be a New Age. So when people rail on the "New Age",, even the fundamentalist and bible believer can understand that there is some good in the idea of a New Age. It's in the Bible,, but those who expose the New Age usually miss the good!!!!! And we see the Bad Guys are using the same concept here as the good guys,,, New World Order,, New Age,, same term same etimology.-- even in your view.-- the good guys and the bad guys have been using the same concept, idea, and term.-- trying to bring in a world completely different from the one we have known.-- Their "New World" is based on control, murder, Satan and their plan for us, the good "New Age" will be based on brotherhood, freedom, peace, Christ and is God's plan for us.

Miracles -- I too agree with your comments toward Darketernal. They own counterfeit Christianity. There is a true Christianity they have nothing to do with. And NWO is counter to Christ.

I dont follow what your on about with the new age. I see it's biblical now. That not unusual. Never mind.

[dedicate]

Of course you don't follow what i'm on about. How could you? I was just hoping. And hope never pays off.

Of couse it's about the Bible. The video presentation is all about Bible stuff.

[luciferhorus]

And another thing we never see addressed in these films is the New Age movement is not limited to just Religion, and Crystal therapy. The New Age Vanguard has been sprouting for over 100 years now and encompasses every area of life.

All modern inventions such as the Telephone, motor car, radio, airplane, computer, etc... are New Age inventions. This is good.

Also, all men who have worked for world peace are men who exemplify and call for the New Age. Men like JFK, MLK, Ghandi, are men who are looking ahead at the New Age. This is good.

Then in the area of Health. The wholistic movement is new age. Wilhelm Reich and his Orgone is New age. Vegetarianisms, message, accupunture, organics, -- all new age,, all good things,, never mentioned by these videos.

Freedom for women. Equel rights for all people. -- These are all New Age influences.

What you speak of Dedicate is all that you and I may define as 'progressive;' yet we cannot use this term 'progressive (progress, to move forward)' to define Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Masonry nor the blood sacrifice religions of our ancient ancestors; the term we must use is 'regressive (to resist progress, to move backwards);' to regress to ancient superstitions and to give more credence to some relatively illiterate, uneducated and overtly superstitious ancestor, lacking in our historical hidsight and wisdom, than to modernists such as ourselves.

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Thankfully this is the David Icke forum, not a Christian or Islamic forum, and as much as I do not share Icke's 'reptilian theory (I consider him to be errant, but that is an intellectual and 'not' a moral judgement, since I think him to be a good person in rebellion against evil),' I would define him as a 'progressive' thinker of the New Aeon; it is thus inevitable that regressive and conservative (i.e., to conserve the beliefs of the past) individuals will frequent this forum and attack liberals (to liberate), Communists and New Agers and consider such heretics to be the 'enemy.'

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LL

Lux

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[dedicate]

I see your point. Lot of ignorance. Lot of bad history. Religions filled with failed thinking and failed thinkers. I know.


The only point of criticism I have with a lot of what you say Lucifer Horus is the failure to see any good in what you call organized religion. I know a lot of people who are progressive, enlightened even -- (you know about enlightenment don't you?) , and who work mainly within conventional religious constructs. Have you studied Suzuki aka Zen Buddhism? Yogananda? Thomas Merton? ... these people have found it progressive to work within the already established forms of religion. Why would progressives like these bother with religion? What's your thoughts?

P.S. Aeon.. this is a Greek word translated Age? or Eon? And is the word mistranslated "For Ever" in Revelation 20 or thereabouts?

[asahi]

I wonder why people on this forum don't focus on the good in 'organized religion' if that is what dedicate is saying. I mean Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim genuflection, prayers for peace, Mantra, ritual, circumambulations, ceremony, harnessing of deity etc are normally for good. Similarly places of worship are by the by not exactly energetically bad places. Similarly crystals, the various chi kungs and bodyworks, yogas and so on are 'new age' and also fairly positive. Do people on here tend to forget this and is there something more exciting about scary demonic forces.

[miracles]

What you speak of Dedicate is all that you and I may define as 'progressive;' yet we cannot use this term 'progressive (progress, to move forward)' to define Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Masonry nor the blood sacrifice religions of our ancient ancestors; the term we must use is 'regressive (to resist progress, to move backwards);' to regress to ancient superstitions and to give more credence to some relatively illiterate, uneducated and overtly superstitious ancestor, lacking in our historical hidsight and wisdom, than to modernists such as ourselves.

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Thankfully this is the David Icke forum, not a Christian or Islamic forum, and as much as I do not share Icke's 'reptilian theory (I consider him to be errant, but that is an intellectual and 'not' a moral judgement, since I think him to be a good person in rebellion against evil),' I would define him as a 'progressive' thinker of the New Aeon; it is thus inevitable that regressive and conservative (i.e., to conserve the beliefs of the past) individuals will frequent this forum and attack liberals (to liberate), Communists and New Agers and consider such heretics to be the 'enemy.'

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LL

Lux

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So as it is a David Icke forum, and you have stated you dont agree with him on some things, why do you feel the need to get stuck into Christianity and religion at every possible opportunity?

[miracles]

Of course you don't follow what i'm on about. How could you? I was just hoping. And hope never pays off.

Of couse it's about the Bible. The video presentation is all about Bible stuff.

You stated you cant view the videos Dedicate. The videos are not about the bible persay, they are about new age religion which is not biblical Christianity, you have also stated that we are missing the good in New Age religion, what is that? Obvioulys you dont have to answer. But vague nebulous responses arent of much value to contributing to the topic, surley?

[dedicate]

"You stated you cant view the videos Dedicate." -- I'm perseptive. I know things you as you are could never know. I know what is in that video without seeing it. And Don't you see the little picture of Jesus there? I do. But I guess Jesus isn't Bible huh?

"they are about new age religion which is not biblical Christianity" -- so you say. If Miracles says its not Bible then it's not Bible!

"You have also stated that we are missing the good in New Age religion, what is that?" -- That's the way it is with you. I just wrote more than 2 300 word posts outlining that very thing, and you accuse me of this and "vague nebulous responses"!!! Unbelievable!

[lightgiver]

So as it is a David Icke forum, and you have stated you dont agree with him on some things, why do you feel the need to get stuck into Christianity and religion at every possible opportunity?

Thing is LH follows his own religion and capitalism(and lives of the fruits),and now just like others is trying to tell people what they should and should not be doing, whatever is replaced,it to will become corrupted,just like the corrupted souls spouting off,who assume they know everything,when in reality they know very little.

Dictators will be replaced by even worse dictators,such is history and human corruption,and LH will be the last one doing the fighting if revolution does happen.

[lightgiver]

"Q: Can there be a synthesis of Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, and all religions, gathering the best in all, forming a world religion?

A: Forming a new world religion is difficult and not particularly desirable. However, in that love is essential to all religions, one could speak of the universal language of love. As for the techniques and methods for developing love as well as for achieving salvation or permanent liberation, there are many differences between religions. Thus, I do not think we could make one philosophy or one religion. Furthermore, I think that differences in faith are useful. There is a richness in the fact that there are so many different presentations of the [spiritual] way. Given that there are many different types of people with various predispositions and inclinations, this is helpful.

At the same time, the motivation of all religious practice is similar - love, sincerity, honesty. The way of life of practically all religious persons is contentment. The teachings of tolerance, love and compassion are the same. A basic goal is the benefit of humankind - each type of system seeking its own unique ways to improve human beings. If we put too much emphasis on our own philosophy, religion, or theory, are too attached to it, and try to impose it on other people, it makes trouble. Basically all the great teachers, such as Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ, or Mohammed, founded their new teachings with a motivation of helping their fellow humans. They did not mean to gain anything for themselves nor to create more trouble or unrest in the world. Most importantly is that we respect each other and learn from each other those things that will enrich our own practice. Even if all the systems are separate, since they each have the same goal, the study of each other is helpful.

[dedicate]

This is a good quote, lightgiver, aka Lucifer?

One world religion is not desirable. In other words, making one religion out of the many religions available would not benefit anybody. Like saying make one School of Art out of the many we know have.

The key is unity, tolerance and basic getting-along-ness (you don't see "Modernist" downgrading "ultra-Realist", but there is an appreciation among Artist for the differances). Men and women have long been working for this in the world of Religion, but it has never worked well. Due to some fault in the human condition.-- people on any side of the issue just refuse to treat kindly other beliefs.

Each will point to the most extreme examples on the other side and say, "We can't live with that!". The Jew and Christian will point to the Fascist and Communist. The Communist will point to the Inquision and Israel oppression of the Palastinian.
Then there is the fact there are things people shouldn't be made to live with, and the failure of people to be able to discriminate between what is tolerable and intolerable, so they become fascist and dictorial about it. Any small difference to their belief is seen as a threat to their relality and demonized completely. They don't want to give up their small mindedness, but are willing to lord it over others.

Now that the hour is late and the fate is sealed, it may be the best we can do is wait and see how it is going to play out and let the chips fall where they may.

[lightgiver]

This is a good quote, lightgiver, aka Lucifer?

One world religion is not desirable. In other words, making one religion out of the many religions available would not benefit anybody. Like saying make one School of Art out of the many we know have.

The key is unity, tolerance and basic getting-along-ness (you don't see "Modernist" downgrading "ultra-Realist", but there is an appreciation among Artist for the differances). Men and women have long been working for this in the world of Religion, but it has never worked well. Due to some fault in the human condition.-- people on any side of the issue just refuse to treat kindly other beliefs.

Each will point to the most extreme examples on the other side and say, "We can't live with that!". The Jew and Christian will point to the Fascist and Communist. The Communist will point to the Inquision and Israel oppression of the Palastinian.
Then there is the fact there are things people shouldn't be made to live with, and the failure of people to be able to discriminate between what is tolerable and intolerable, so they become fascist and dictorial about it. Any small difference to their belief is seen as a threat to their relality and demonized completely. They don't want to give up their small mindedness, but are willing to lord it over others.

Now that the hour is late and the fate is sealed, it may be the best we can do is wait and see how it is going to play out and let the chips fall where they may.

Love and compassion is a good practise and no matter what path one takes,to have love and compassion towards one another is a good way,for this is true spirituality.

and yes let the chips fall where they may;)

Human beings will continue to deceive and overpower one another. Basically, everyone exists in a state of suffering, so to abuse or mistreat each other is futile. The foundation of all spiritual practice is love.

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.

[majorlee]

so being a Raelian i sort of believe in a certain future....

if our Creators (The Elohim) come back and expose that all Religions were started by them since the history of man, there would be a huge void in the world and peoples belief systems would be shattered.

then throught love and unity people could learn about all this and start to take on a new system of understanding and open up the mind to the aspect of infinity and universal love.

just a Raelian point of view

peace

xxx