What is real love?

[teslafire]

In my opinon, real love is unconditional and all allowing.

:)

What do you think?

[kooo]

My two cats love each other, I love them and they love me. That's real love.

:)

[cleopatraxxx]

Hello Teslafire :)
I agree that real love is unconditional,
but as to all allowing...(?)
all is relative indeed, but allowing all like what?

otherise i KNOW Love is the deepest, most fulfilling, inspiring feeling one can experience. sometimes a few seconds of witnessing or experiencing love stays in our memory/spirit forever, contrary to futile events or things or people...

CLeoXXX

[cleopatraxxx]

My two cats love each other, I love them and they love me. That's real love.

:)

Same with me and my cats :)
unconditional
platonic

L O V E

CLeoXXX

[teslafire]

I love you december, even if you are part of a race that may well soon be exterminated due to a sea change in the eugenics movement. Love moves beyond these barriers.

:)

[cleopatraxxx]

DECEMBER definitely needs to be taught some cool KAMASUTRA,
because he is soooooooooooooooooo frustrated that even asked CleopatraXXX if she is a former porno for merely having XXX in her nickname!

LOL!!!!!!!LOL, LOL, LOL

you need LOVE my dear December

why don't you admit it?

frustration will only lead you to disease

CLeoXXX

[cleopatraxxx]

I love you december, even if you are part of a race that may well soon be exterminated due to a sea change in the eugenics movement. Love moves beyond these barriers.

:)

Teslafire, i join you :)

LOVE,
CLeoXXX

[synergy777]

december my brotherly love for you is an example of the subject matter.

we should drink vodka sometime (although, whiskey is better), do you like football, you must know about chelsea and roman.

[tejas]

I dont think love is as simple as,
"I love you, I care for you," blah blah. That is merely your altruistic survival drive.
I do not know what real love is, if there is such a thing.

[sensimillia]

In my opinon, real love is unconditional and all allowing.

:)

What do you think?

it´s to place yourself second, and the one you love first...:)

[fullfathomfive]

it´s to place yourself second, and the one you love first...:)

I'm in love with myself.

I always allow myself to cum first.

[sensimillia]

I'm in love with myself.

I always allow myself to cum first.

charming. the girls must love you...;)

[fullfathomfive]

charming. the girls must love you...;)

Probably. I'm too busy looking in the mirror.

[sensimillia]

Probably. I'm too busy looking in the mirror.

touché.:D

[lookfar]

Probably. I'm too busy looking in the mirror.

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Hey fullfathomfive, I haven't seen your pic in the photo thread yet... sounds like you should post one though eh...!!!:D;):p

[ashyr]

hehe unconditional love is really the BEAN of love,

conditional love i imagine would be like the sprouts. those allowed to grow and those that wouldn't necesarily grow from darkness and lack of light.

[limelady]

Love is being able to always see good in people and love them for that good that you see. This is something I have learnt to do more and more since joining this forum. :D

Real Love IS unconditional, and you can only give it or feel it if you can bi-pass your own ego for long enough to see the good in all things... although I admit I still struggle with this at times. But I've truly realised that love is the only way to solve many of humanities problems, so I am trying harder than ever before to see the good in all things and become more loving within myself. Since I've been living this (rather than merely intellectualising it as an ideal), I am feeling so much more uplifted than when I was a lot quicker to judge a person on a 5-sense level.

This is different to feeling romantic love, and I think really feeling this 'greater love' for all takes opening your heart more.

So when I say "I love you" to somebody nowadays, I am really feeling it as opposed merely saying it like I used to. If for any reason I'm NOT feeling LOVE for somebody (are we truly expected to love child molesters? rapists? Assasins? mass murderers? etc?), I just sit tight and try not to allow unloving thoughts to filter out to those people, and instead I focus on sending love to the victims of their crimes and to bettering the situation in general for all concerned.

This is where I'm at, but I'm still learning.

I hope this makes sense.:p


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[_invisibleplane_]

to me love is a deep, appreciative, celebratory act of oneness

[john white]

to me love is a deep, appreciative, celebratory act of oneness...

...For the deepest Truth is that Love IS Oneness

Love to you brother!

[i_am]

My Take

When people speak of Love they are referring to the physical ‘love’ between two people. There is a big difference between loving and being in love.

To Be 'In Love' has limitations, expectations and conditions.
It is based on need – need to be with, need to be needed, need to possess and be possessed, need to dominate and control, need to be continually reassured and the need of someone else for your survival.
Need is fear based ie the fear of being alone, wondering if you are loved in return, insecurity.

To 'Love' however is unconditional.
There are no needs, no conditions, no expectations, no limitations and most of all NO DRAMAS.
You can only do this when you love yourself unconditionally, are truly secure and comfortable with who you are, and do not need another for your survival. This applies not only to relationships but to the world in general.

:)

[john white]

My Take

When people speak of Love they are referring to the physical ‘love’ between two people. There is a big difference between loving and being in love.

To Be 'In Love' has limitations, expectations and conditions.
It is based on need – need to be with, need to be needed, need to possess and be possessed, need to dominate and control, need to be continually reassured and the need of someone else for your survival.
Need is fear based ie the fear of being alone, wondering if you are loved in return, insecurity.

To 'Love' however is unconditional.
There are no needs, no conditions, no expectations, no limitations and most of all NO DRAMAS.
You can only do this when you love yourself unconditionally, are truly secure and comfortable with who you are, and do not need another for your survival. This applies not only to relationships but to the world in general.

:)

Brilliant: absolute Clarity

[lemonique]

Good one I am, and here is a poem with the same name,

I Am

I am free like an angel, and take many forms

I laugh and I listen, I am never very far away, I am never gone at all,

I am a friend, a good book or a pink and golden sunset

I am Mother's touch and a Father's helping hand,

You know me because I am you,

You are me through and through,

I am Unconditional Love, and you are too!!

John T. Goltz


Why Unconditional Love?
Unconditional Love is a dynamic and powerful energy that lifts us through the most difficult times. It is available at any moment by turning our attention to it and using its wonderful potential to free us from our limitations. It requires practice and intent to allow this energy to fully permeate our daily experience. It begins with ourselves, for without self-love, we cannot know what true love can be. In loving ourselves, we allow the feeling to generate within us and then we can share it to everyone and everything around us! That which we send out, returns to us in greater measure. If you have not thought about how you feel towards yourself, physically, mentally, and emotionally, or spiritually, we invite you to do so now. Begin the journey that changes everything. Begin the journey of unconditional love...

Cheers

[tinmenace]

Love is being able to always see good in people and love them for that good that you see. This is something I have learnt to do more and more since joining this forum. :D

Real Love IS unconditional, and you can only give it or feel it if you can bi-pass your own ego for long enough to see the good in all things... although I admit I still struggle with this at times. But I've truly realised that love is the only way to solve many of humanities problems, so I am trying harder than ever before to see the good in all things and become more loving within myself. Since I've been living this (rather than merely intellectualising it as an ideal), I am feeling so much more uplifted than when I was a lot quicker to judge a person on a 5-sense level.

This is different to feeling romantic love, and I think really feeling this 'greater love' for all takes opening your heart more.

So when I say "I love you" to somebody nowadays, I am really feeling it as opposed merely saying it like I used to. If for any reason I'm NOT feeling LOVE for somebody (are we truly expected to love child molesters? rapists? Assasins? mass murderers? etc?), I just sit tight and try not to allow unloving thoughts to filter out to those people, and instead I focus on sending love to the victims of their crimes and to bettering the situation in general for all concerned.

This is where I'm at, but I'm still learning.

I hope this makes sense.:p


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2499/lovelimeoa6.jpg

What a beautiful and honest post. :)

I love you, Limelady :D (and everyone else too)

[Anders Lindman]

In my opinon, real love is unconditional and all allowing.

:)

What do you think?

I don't like to use terms like real vs unreal love. And unconditional love is incomplete love since it excludes conditional love.

[teslafire]

I don't like to use terms like real vs unreal love. And unconditional love is incomplete love since it excludes conditional love.

Yeah, the limitations of written language.

I suppose what I was clumsily saying is that feeling which allows you to be as ease at total bodily and energetic freedom...where you feel like there is no separation from your inside world and the outside world.

I suppose one can make the argument that love can be triggered, like any emotion, if correctly manipulated. But if directed, this emotion can move mountains.

There are sometimes I can access it...usually when I'm not thinking about accessing it, but am fully absorbed in genuine adoration of something.

[edit]

Yuna's Dance - Eternity (Memories of light and waves) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kmrcnAzTZQw&mode=related&search=)

oh..&..as..P.S. July 17, 2007 Click Here for Printable




Wake up Call from Me to You



This has been a day for me, a day of mixed emotions, and decisions made. Actually the day began last night when I made the decision to fly back to Maine for my family reunion in a couple weeks, rather than wait till September, when it would be quieter and I could celebrate my daughter’s, my grandson’s and my mother’s birthdays with them.



I began last night searching the Internet for cheap flights and car rentals. I did so knowing that the Fire the Grid celebration was immanent, and that going to bed so late I would not be awake at 4:11 in the morning to give my energy to the event. So I gave my intent to my higher self and knew that my energies of rejoicing and celebration would join all of the others around the globe. I saw Spirit in the wonderful response to my decision to resume the Readings. You are helping me financially to make this trip, for which I thank you dearly. Still, something gnawed at me, that there was something missing in my participation of this wondrous fire the grid event.



Finally late into the night I thought I had been successful in finding a cheap flight and car rental, and all was right with the world. Then the flight confirmation didn’t come through, while the rental car did. I emailed the online travel agency for an explanation, and they had no record of my reservation for the flight. I went to bed, too tired mentally to try anymore; morning would be soon enough.



Sure enough, morning proved to be successful. After some time I was able to secure a flight and got confirmation for it; I am still waiting for confirmation of the change in times with the rental car agency. The task is almost complete. I have called my mother and have spoken to my sister, and daughter. It is going to be a great time, and I am looking forward to it.



Now I will back up a bit, and tell you the rest of the story, the one that underlies all of this. This morning I received a beautiful accounting in the form of prose, with beautiful background, from a dear online friend. It told of her experiences with the Fire the Grid celebration. It was incredibly beautiful and I could envision what she was recounting.



As I read the last words I was thinking and feeling, “But what about me? What did I do for it?” I was almost disgusted, maybe even disappointed in myself. I immediately heard Hatonn say, “You’re doing life.”



I responded, “Yes, earthly things,” still not feeling good about myself.



Hatonn then said, “You are doing something very vital and important. You are making plans to be with your mother in her time of rest.”



That is when I burst into tears. You see, my mother has been spending time in the past couple of years in the hospital and nursing homes before returning back to her own home, because of a few physical things that have come up in her almost 87 year old body. She has an incredible stamina, and I am proud and pleased to be her daughter.



As I allowed the tears to wash away my fears about her I knew that what Hatonn said to me in his gentle and frank way was what I needed to hear. I also knew that this was the sort of story that many of you might be living right now. I felt that I wanted to share this with you and share with you what I have realized about our life here, and why we are here.



It is more than Firing the Grid of Gaia. It is also firing our grid. What does that mean to you; what does it mean to me? It means to me that there is more to this earth life than always reaching for the stars. We’ve been there, done that, and now we are experiencing life on earth in order to see what an illusionary world is like, what it is like to be in seclusion in a far corner of the universe, shut off from all of our former knowledge of what is real and what isn’t.



We are here on earth to tend to earth things. We are here to honor ourselves and what happens in our earth family’s lives. We are more than the lightbeings who sit in meditation and soar through the heavens touching in with all the wonders from whence we came. We are beings, playing a role as humans, and we are here to make this the grandest, most perfect, experience that we have accomplished thus far. It is wonderful to soar and it is grand and fitting to hold the beautiful energies of light and love. That helps us who have to tend to our earthly things; you give us your strength so that we can rise above our tears and fears as the memories flow out on by and into the clarity of their origin.



What does it mean to sit up to the wee hours making arrangements to spend precious time with a family who for the most part doesn’t understand what has happened to this family member? It means being there to show them I love them and am still part of the family. It means showing them that even though I have taken a road that they may not agree with, I still agree with who they are and my part in their lives. Our reunion can be every bit as wonderful and cherished as a celebration with all of you Firing the Grid of Mother earth. In fact, that is what it is. That is what firing the grid is to me. As I write these words it is so clear that this is what it is all about. We Fire the Grid in our own hearts, and it flies out and becomes the Fire in the Grid of Earth Mother.



I love my family of the cosmos and I love my family of earth. I love you equally, and I allow that love to shine forth in every way I can. Sometimes I forget that, and it takes something like this experience to remind me why I’m here. It is all about the love, all encompassing and total. For myself, my family and for all of existence.



Thank you for being there to give me space to release the tears of truth that washed way the denial that was blocking my vision for a spell. I needed that! I needed that love that all of you initiated at 11:11 GMT, no matter what you were doing. Whether you were snoozing, losing, boozing or caroozing; whether you were meditating, singing, dancing, or romancing you were choosing that which you found to be the most important thing of all for you to do at that hour.



That is what it is all about. That is what firing the grid speaks of to me. We are here to set our intent for our lightbodies to remain here and to set our humanness into the freedom that earthlife can give us in our New Golden Age of love and freedom in expression of the truth of who we are and what we are capable of. Let your light shine forth and know that what you did at 11:11 was perfect.



Thank you for all you do, and thank you Hatonn,

Love, Nancy Tate (http://www.treeofthegoldenlight.com/Wakeup%20Call/MWmesages/July2007/MetoYou07-17-07.htm)

[Anders Lindman]

Yeah, the limitations of written language.

I suppose what I was clumsily saying is that feeling which allows you to be as ease at total bodily and energetic freedom...where you feel like there is no separation from your inside world and the outside world.

I suppose one can make the argument that love can be triggered, like any emotion, if correctly manipulated. But if directed, this emotion can move mountains.

There are sometimes I can access it...usually when I'm not thinking about accessing it, but am fully absorbed in genuine adoration of something.

Conditional love is for example when I see a beautiful person, then I can radiate love towards that person, but when I see an ugly person I go: "Eeeww!" :D With unconditional love I can send love even to the ugly person. It would be cool to be able to love both conditionally and unconditionally. :cool:

[limelady]

What a beautiful and honest post. :)

I love you, Limelady :D (and everyone else too)







Thanks tin.....you know I love you too. :p

LL :)

[cruise4]

I admit I'm confused by the word 'Love'. I have just ordered Infinite Love in the hope that may shed some light. When I consider the word I don't know what it means. I thought I could give examples of Love, but I can't... only examples of qualified love, which tends to suggest its not Love in the terms used on this site.

The only thing I have in my life that may be relevant is my respect for all things that share 'life'. I may love humanity but there are humans I despise. I may be wary of big hairy spiders, but overcome phobia to not hurt. I may become sentimentally attached to objects such as a rock or elements of a scene such as the Malvern Hills, a river, a path, or a stream. Do I love music, do I love creativity. Maybe its the tapestry of life that I love, but not the odd dropped stitch.

I would like to understand this further, but don't know how to go about this task.

[Anders Lindman]

Another interesting thing is the opposite side of love within us. This opposite side is often called the 'shadow'. People like Ken Wilber, Stuart Wilde and Michael Tsarion have described the shadow in various ways. I see the shadow as the "not me" part within that I try to keep away from. Thus the shadow is one side of the coin of conditional love.

Unconditional love is free from the shadow. Unconditional love needs no opposite like conditional love. Unconditional love has its root in peace. Not the peace of stillness, but the radiant peace of the Force in balance.

Integral love is the unification - the transcension and inclusion - of conditional and unconditional love. Integral love is free to be centered in peace or to move into agitated states and can use conditional love but is not stuck and permanently identified with it.

AND THAT*S THE GODDAMN TRUTH BECAUSE I GODDAMN SAY SO GODDAMMIT!!!!! :mad: :D

[i_am]

AND THAT*S THE GODDAMN TRUTH BECAUSE I GODDAMN SAY SO GODDAMMIT!!!!! :mad: :D

In an unconditionally loving way of course

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[cleopatraxxx]

My Take

When people speak of Love they are referring to the physical ‘love’ between two people. There is a big difference between loving and being in love.

To Be 'In Love' has limitations, expectations and conditions.
It is based on need – need to be with, need to be needed, need to possess and be possessed, need to dominate and control, need to be continually reassured and the need of someone else for your survival.
Need is fear based ie the fear of being alone, wondering if you are loved in return, insecurity.

To 'Love' however is unconditional.
There are no needs, no conditions, no expectations, no limitations and most of all NO DRAMAS.
You can only do this when you love yourself unconditionally, are truly secure and comfortable with who you are, and do not need another for your survival. This applies not only to relationships but to the world in general.

:)

Hello i am,
i am presently in love ( :)-best feeling ever!!!! ) and i do not agree with that point of yours that being in love is a need based on fear. At least i dont see it that way.

I will give "my take " here, and i will use your points of view to explain mine (hope u dont mind) :) Thanks

I agree we feel the need to be with (more to share the feeling of love with each other and for each other),

need to be needed ( to know that the loved on relies on our true opennes and true support in any situation),

need to possess and be possessed ( if we talk about "bed-time", haha, all is relative but it is good to be in both roles ;) ),

need to dominate and control ( i disagree here -I allow my loved one as free as a bird because i know we trust each other without limitations),

need to be continually reassured (makes it wonderfull to feel and know we love and our love is mirrored in the same way, even if it is less mirrored)

and the need of someone else for your survival ( we were born to learn from each other and i think the feeling of loneliness is not that much a fear, but more an inner knowledge that life is a learning process of sharing love, thus we need company to share and learn and teach ).

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i suppose that the above approach to love makes it an unconditional love: no expectations, no limitations... and most of all NO DRAMAS. these last ones (dramas) only exist when insecurity, unsureness on behalf of the loved being exists, this in my opinion is possible when trust is not there, and without trust nothing is close to love.

CLeoXXX

[Anders Lindman]

In an unconditionally loving way of course

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Yes, of course. Or I can at least fake it till I make it. :D

[lottie]

I dont necessarily think Love is something i can put into words- its so diverse and everyone will have a different version/take/view/opinion.

I just think its something which i can feel and know but i cant put into words with the limited use of language possibly because im not articulate enough or possibly because it cant be explain with words- only felt!

[lightbeing]

I dont necessarily think Love is something i can put into words- its so diverse and everyone will have a different version/take/view/opinion.

I just think its something which i can feel and know but i cant put into words with the limited use of language possibly because im not articulate enough or possibly because it cant be explain with words- only felt!

Spot on there Lotts:)

[lifeofbrian]

Unconditional love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[myeika]

Hi all…..

I Love you ……

‘Teslafire’ asked us:- “What is real love?”
Thank you so much for bringing this subject up.....So anyway I was thinking about this question as I read the thread, and wondering about how I could explain what Love is/means to me..... and then I am…..said……

“When people speak of Love they are referring to the physical ‘love’ between two people. There is a big difference between loving and being in love.”


IMHO – The people refered to above are not really aware yet of what ‘LOVE’ really is…you are right, they just see it as a physical & emotional response to the chemistry that can happen between two people. But there aren’t many people who ‘dare’ speak of love….outside of a relationship……

”To Be 'In Love' has limitations, expectations and conditions.
It is based on need – need to be with, need to be needed, need to possess and be possessed, need to dominate and control, need to be continually reassured and the need of someone else for your survival.
Need is fear based ie the fear of being alone, wondering if you are loved in return, insecurity.”

Yes…. I see this so many times……in my life right now…..so many people want to own/control me, or others, their partners or family..…. They want people in their lives to behave in the way that they expect/want them to….The times I hear “If only he/she would change, life would be so much easier……” Their view of ‘Love’ is coming from fear and unawareness of ‘oneness’ and they do not yet realise that they only need to change ‘themselves’, to bring about/create the life experience they so deeply desire.

”To 'Love' however is unconditional.
There are no needs, no conditions, no expectations, no limitations and most of all NO DRAMAS.”

Yes……………….. It is so good to hear (sorry read lol….) you say that…. As there doesn’t seem to be many around who really understand the depths of this subject! Or dare to talk about it……

As an example……
Earlier this year it was my birthday. My daughter arranged a surprise party for me at the village pub. At this point in my life I had just gone through a major learning curve, and my whole perception of life and my life had changed. Only a few people knew of this transformation within me…..boy it sorta made me feel a bit uncertain at first if what I was feeling was right….…As after a lifetime of thinking about ‘love’ in one way….which to me for a lot of the time never seemed to make sense anyway….. I was now seeing it all a different way…. Hey but if I expressed this new me, everyone would think I was a loopy mad person if I told them all that I loved them wouldn’t they????….
But wait….. they think I am loopy and mad anyway… so it doesn’t really matter….
I decided that this night I was ready to let people see the different me.
That evening the pub was packed….. All night I was full of energy and love, which from what I have been told since, I projected out to all in there…. I had a wonderful evening telling everyone there how much I loved them and how special they were…..lol… yeh I got some funny looks, but it got easier and easier to do and I didn’t feel daft either…..I in fact felt wonderful……
My daughter came to see me the next day…. “I had to come” she said “because I needed to see if you remember what you did last night”…(lol….oh heck I thought… did I get that drunk! Lol…..)
“So what did I do” I asked her……”You only went round the whole pub telling everyone that you loved them, heck you even told Scruff you did….after what he did to you, how could you tell him that you love him and you forgive him?” ……….
My daughters face was a picture….she just couldn’t believe what I had done…..
“Yes I remember” I told her…. “And I meant it…I know that you don’t quite understand yet, but everyone in that pub is part of my life, they are all part of me…. We are all one… How could I not love them, for if I didn’t I wouldn’t be fully loving myself, and all the parts of me”

Since that night, people have treated me so differently…..not horrible or anything, I can’t really express what I mean….but things are sure not how I imagined they would be before I did it….. I am able to share my love when in their company and this creates such a wonderful opportunity for me, as at the same time I re-discovered hidden within me, a deep desire to be of service to humanity, to be able to help others when I can and to urge them to be kind to themselves, and to others…..

It is so amazing and wonderful when you become aware of true unconditional love and understand it completely……
Your life does change so much, and you find opened up to you a whole new reality to explore and grow in…..

“You can only do this when you love yourself unconditionally, are truly secure and comfortable with who you are, and do not need another for your survival. This applies not only to relationships but to the world in general.”

This is the most important part…..this is what takes the working on. You have to journey down your own path into the wild divine…. And remember who you really are and what you have the power to do…..

I love you all, you are so special.....

Thank you

[lifeofbrian]

Google Oxytocin

[karma19]

I thought I "loved" my bf until I read all this and now I'm not sure!!:eek:

[peter19]

I thought I "loved" my bf until I read all this and now I'm not sure!!:eek:

dont worry sometimes im not sure i love anyone lol, because i feel like this thread and what people have said, what is real love ect. its like what people say actions speak louder than words. you can tell if somebody loves you if they will help you out when you need help and things. as sensi said, putting your neck on the line for other people. that atleast shows they care which i suppose is something :D.

[auron]

John Lennon - Real Love.mp3 (http://www.badongo.com/file/3667426)

[synergy777]

karma from what you have told me, about your boyfriend he seems cool. on the rothchild/diaz thread eg you told me he liked you for you etc, so be cool, enjoy it. love like this takes years eg unconditional, don't be put off by the stuff/happy clappy. you can't expect instant love, its not a product/service. love has many stages, so enjoy it and time will make it grow etc. don't feel less, because of the stuff on here, merely take it as aspirational and not judgemental.

the chicks on the forum should be doing this wishy washy stuff, this is not the domain of us blokes, lol.

[synergy777]

auron cheers for the jl track, nice 1.

[lookfar]

the chicks on the forum should be doing this wishy washy stuff, this is not the domain of us blokes, lol.

Huh hum synergy777, that sounds rather sexist if you don't mind me saying so, lol!!;):D What's wrong with blokes being "wishy washy" as you call it, eh hehe???? :confused::rolleyes::)

[synergy777]

well you are supposed to be the spiritual, emotional, etc, one would think with these qualities, you would be more qualified in this area, lol

[kooo]

Huh hum synergy777, that sounds rather sexist if you don't mind me saying so, lol!!;):D What's wrong with blokes being "wishy washy" as you call it, eh hehe???? :confused::rolleyes::)

Because it's not manly.

[lifeofbrian]

Men wash. Often daily.

[synergy777]

i thought you chicks would be on some sisterhood vibe, and yet it took a bloke to give brotherly advice, where you chicks at, painting your nails, lol

its vital for a bloke to have this in his locker so to speak, but we should be allowed to be men. just as women should be allowed to be themselves, this forcing of men to be everything other than anything they want, pisses me off. men should be men, not feminised, we shouldn't be cavemen i agree, but we should be balanced. going from caveman to feminine is bullshit to put to it politely, swapping one extreme for another, is non productive. if we expected you to act only like ladettes would you like it ?, no you wouldn't. someone needs to speak out for blokes, we are under attack from agenda setting prats eg tavistock.

[synergy777]

men should wash like the film, "coming to america", lol the prince of zamunda, the royal penis is clean, lol i love that film. especially the three barbers.

[kooo]

Most of these so called alternative forums are tainted by political correctness.

[lifeofbrian]

someone needs to speak out for blokes, we are under attack from agenda setting prats eg tavistock.

Right.

Over the years shite like 'lifestyle' and 'image' matters less and less though. Experience shape men. As I reckon they do women.

And I doubt TS lets any group in society get away from their mindwarping tactics.

[synergy777]

then they put in pc crap, so if you call out the culprits, oh he's a fascist, etc. wheras you should spin it back on the pc crowd, and say curtailment of free speech is facist, and its them who have given negative connotations to colours etc, its them who see the colours as bad, lol that fucks them up, just give the paint shop example, i works everytime, lol.

[lookfar]

i thought you chicks would be on some sisterhood vibe, and yet it took a bloke to give brotherly advice, where you chicks at, painting your nails, lol

its vital for a bloke to have this in his locker so to speak, but we should be allowed to be men. just as women should be allowed to be themselves, this forcing of men to be everything other than anything they want, pisses me off. men should be men, not feminised, we shouldn't be cavemen i agree, but we should be balanced. going from caveman to feminine is bullshit to put to it politely, swapping one extreme for another, is non productive. if we expected you to act only like ladettes would you like it ?, no you wouldn't. someone needs to speak out for blokes, we are under attack from agenda setting prats eg tavistock.

Hey I'm not painting my nails, well not at the moment anyhow, lol;)

That sounds like you're contradicting yourself a bit there by saying men should be allowed to be themselves, but what if being themselves involves a softer, more sensitive side??? Are you saying that's wrong because we've been programmed to think that way? Sorry I'm a bit confused, have had a drink or two already - TFI Friday, lol!!:o :D

[teslafire]

What about the great myths of sacrifice...the highest order of love: Tristan and Isolde, Romeo and Juliet, Jesus on the cross...the sacrifice of self for something greater?

[danielg]

That sounds like you're contradicting yourself a bit there by saying men should be allowed to be themselves, but what if being themselves involves a softer, more sensitive side??? Are you saying that's wrong because we've been programmed to think that way?
Being soft and sensitive in an empthetic way isn't unmasculine. It's unmasculine the way these metroqueers turn themselves into chicks with dicks in the name of being in tune with their feminine side, they aren't soft and sensitive, they're passive and hyper-sensitive. Any healthy sane bloke will be soft and sensitive by nature, it's only the neurotic types that think masculinity is aggression, hardness etc.

[karma19]

karma from what you have told me, about your boyfriend he seems cool. on the rothchild/diaz thread eg you told me he liked you for you etc, so be cool, enjoy it. love like this takes years eg unconditional, don't be put off by the stuff/happy clappy. you can't expect instant love, its not a product/service. love has many stages, so enjoy it and time will make it grow etc. don't feel less, because of the stuff on here, merely take it as aspirational and not judgemental.

the chicks on the forum should be doing this wishy washy stuff, this is not the domain of us blokes, lol.

Hey thanks for that Synergy777. I listen to you. As for guys doing wishy washy there should be MORE of it. Us girls love it

[cruise4]

"wishy washy stuff" says more about the person saying it than those referred to. Bit uncomfortable with the subject matter are we, synergy777;) Ignorance is the domain of the un-elightened. Don't know what that means but it sounds apropriate!

[peter19]

Being soft and sensitive in an empthetic way isn't unmasculine. It's unmasculine the way these metroqueers turn themselves into chicks with dicks in the name of being in tune with their feminine side, they aren't soft and sensitive, they're passive and hyper-sensitive. Any healthy sane bloke will be soft and sensitive by nature, it's only the neurotic types that think masculinity is aggression, hardness etc.

yep and most people want to grow strong "and BE a man" out of there sense of lack and weakness with in themselves. people who are not mentally strong or feel sometimes abit weeker on the inside will be more likely to try to cover it up with muscle. because when you are physically big and strong then noone will mess with you in your mind, so its useing your physical strengh as a way to cover up your un-strengh. but not with all people of course.

someone whos sensative and open in a sense shows strengh, not weakness because you are letting yourself open up, not hideing behind -behing a man- just behing yourself.

[lookfar]

someone whos sensative and open in a sense shows strengh, not weakness because you are letting yourself open up, not hideing behind -behing a man- just behing yourself.

Hi Peter19 - Yep I totally agree wth you, it's the only way to be IMO.

Karma19 - I also agree with your comment about us girls loving it, spot on there honey!!:D

Bring on the sensitivity - it's not "wishy washy" at all, lol!!:);)

Ah Danielg, I've just spotted your new av - it's lovely!!

[kooo]

Real love is when she takes it up the wrong un.

Ever thought about coming out of the closet?