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Why Germans Supported Hitler

Jacob G. Hornberger
Lew Rockwell.com
Thursday July 19, 2007

It has long intrigued me why the German people supported Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime. After all, every schoolchild in America is taught that Hitler and his Nazi cohorts were the very epitome of evil. How could ordinary German citizens support people who were so obviously monstrous in nature?

Standing against the Nazi tide was a remarkable group of young people known as the White Rose. Led by Hans and Sophie Scholl, a German brother and sister who were students at the University of Munich, the White Rose consisted of college students and a college professor who risked their lives to circulate anti-government pamphlets in the midst of World War II. Their arrest and trial was depicted in the German movie Sophie Scholl: The Final Days, which was recently released on DVD in the United States.

Of all the essays on liberty I have written in the past 20 years, my favorite is “The White Rose: A Lesson in Dissent,” which I am pleased to say was later reprinted in Voices of the Holocaust, an anthology on the Holocaust for high-school students. The story of the White Rose is the most remarkable case of courage I have ever come across. It even inspired me to visit the University of Munich a few years ago, where portions of the White Rose pamphlets have been permanently enshrined on bricks laid into a plaza at the entrance to the school.

A contrast to the Scholl movie is another recent German movie, Downfall, which details Hitler’s final days in the bunker, where he committed suicide near the end of the war. Among the people around Hitler was 22-year-old Traudl Junge, who became his secretary in 1942 and who faithfully served him in that capacity until the end. For me, the most stunning part of the film occurred at the end, when the real Traudl Junge (that is, not the actress who portrays her in the film) says,

All these horrors I’ve heard of ... I assured myself with the thought of not being personally guilty. And that I didn’t know anything about the enormous scale of it. But one day I walked by a memorial plate of Sophie Scholl in the Franz-Joseph-Strasse.... And at that moment I actually realized ... that it might have been possible to get to know things.

So here were two separate roads taken by German citizens. Most Germans took the road that Traudl Junge took – supporting their government in time of deep crisis. A few Germans took the road that Hans and Sophie Scholl took – opposing their government despite the deep crisis facing their nation.

Why the difference? Why did some Germans support the Hitler regime while others opposed it?

Each American should first ask himself what he would have done if he had been a German citizen during the Hitler regime. Would you have supported your government or would you have opposed it, not only during the 1930s but also after the outbreak of World War II?

After all, it’s one thing to look at Nazi Germany retrospectively and from the vantage point of an outside citizen who has heard since childhood about the death camps and of Hitler’s monstrous nature. We look at those grainy films of Hitler delivering his bombastic speeches and our automatic reaction is that we would have never supported the man and his political party. But it’s quite another thing to place one’s self in the shoes of an ordinary German citizen and ask, “What would I have done?”

What we often forget is that many Germans did not support Hitler and the Nazis at the start of the 1930s. Keep in mind that in the 1932 presidential election, Hitler received only 30.1 percent of the national vote. In the subsequent run-off election, he received only 36.8 percent of the vote. It wasn’t until President Hindenburg appointed him as chancellor in 1933 that Hitler began consolidating power.

Among the major factors that motivated Germans to support Hitler during the 1930s was the tremendous economic crisis known as the Great Depression, which had struck Germany as hard as it had the United States and other parts of the world. What did many Germans do in response to the Great Depression? They did the same thing that many Americans did – they looked for a strong leader to get them out of the economic crisis.

Hitler and Franklin Roosevelt

In fact, there is a remarkable similarity between the economic policies that Hitler implemented and those that Franklin Roosevelt enacted. Keep in mind, first of all, that the German National Socialists were strong believers in Social Security, which Roosevelt introduced to the United States as part of his New Deal. Keep in mind also that the Nazis were strong believers in such other socialist schemes as public (i.e., government) schooling and national health care. In fact, my hunch is that very few Americans realize that Social Security, public schooling, Medicare, and Medicaid have their ideological roots in German socialism.

Hitler and Roosevelt also shared a common commitment to such programs as government-business partnerships. In fact, until the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional, Roosevelt’s National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which cartelized American industry, along with his “Blue Eagle” propaganda campaign, was the type of economic fascism that Hitler himself was embracing in Germany (as fascist ruler Benito Mussolini was also doing in Italy).

As John Toland points out in his book Adolf Hitler, “Hitler had genuine admiration for the decisive manner in which the President had taken over the reins of government. ‘I have sympathy for Mr. Roosevelt,’ he told a correspondent of the New York Times two months later, ‘because he marches straight toward his objectives over Congress, lobbies and bureaucracy.’ Hitler went on to note that he was the sole leader in Europe who expressed ‘understanding of the methods and motives of President Roosevelt.’”

As Srdja Trifkovic, foreign-affairs editor for Chronicles magazine, stated in his article “FDR and Mussolini: A Tale of Two Fascists,” Roosevelt and his “Brain Trust,” the architects of the New Deal, were fascinated by Italy’s fascism – a term which was not pejorative at the time. In America, it was seen as a form of economic nationalism built around consensus planning by the established elites in government, business, and labor.

Both Hitler and Roosevelt also believed in massive injections of government spending in both the social-welfare sector and the military-industrial sector as a way to bring economic prosperity to their respective nations. As the famed economist John Kenneth Galbraith put it,

Hitler also anticipated modern economic policy ... by recognizing that a rapid approach to full employment was only possible if it was combined with wage and price controls. That a nation oppressed by economic fear would respond to Hitler as Americans did to F.D.R. is not surprising.
One of Hitler’s proudest accomplishments was the construction of the national autobahn system, a massive socialist public-works project that ultimately became the model for the interstate highway system in the United States. (oil today, well cheap oil)

By the latter part of the 1930s, many Germans had the same perception about Hitler that many Americans had about Roosevelt. They honestly believed that Hitler was bringing Germany out of the Depression. For the first time since the Treaty of Versailles, the treaty that had ended World War I with humiliating terms for Germany, the German people were regaining a sense of pride in themselves and in their nation, and they were giving the credit to Hitler’s strong leadership in time of deep national crisis.

Toland points out in his Hitler biography that Germans weren’t the only ones who admired Hitler during the 1930s:

Churchill had once paid a grudging compliment to the Führer in a letter to the Times: “I have always said that I hoped if Great Britain were beaten in a war we should find a Hitler who would lead us back to our rightful place among nations.”

Hitler was a strong believer in national service, especially for German young people. That was what the Hitler Youth was all about – inculcating in young people the notion that they owed a duty to devote at least part of their lives to society. It was an idea also resonating in the collectivist atmosphere that was permeating the United States during the 1930s.

Hitler and anti-Semitism(modern day islamophobia?)

While U.S. officials today never cease to remind us that Hitler was evil incarnate, the question is: Was he so easily recognized as such during the 1930s, not only by German citizens but also by other people around the world, especially those who believed in the idea of a strong political leader in times of crisis? Keep in mind that while Hitler and his cohorts were harassing, abusing, and periodically arresting German Jews as the 1930s progressed, culminating in Kristallnacht, the “night of the broken glass,” when tens of thousands of Jews were beaten and taken to concentration camps, it was not exactly the type of thing that aroused major moral outrage among U.S. officials, many of whom themselves had a strong sense of anti-Semitism.

For example, when Hitler offered to let German Jews leave Germany, the U.S. government used immigration controls to keep them from immigrating here. In fact, as Arthur D. Morse pointed out in his book While Six Million Died: A Chronicle of American Apathy, five days after Kristallnacht, which occurred in November 1938, at a White House press conference, a reporter asked Roosevelt, “Would you recommend a relaxation of our immigration restrictions so that the Jewish refugees could be received in this country?” The president replied, “This is not in contemplation. We have the quota system.”

Let’s also not forget the infamous 1939 (i.e., after Kristallnacht) “voyage of the damned,” in which U.S. officials refused to permit German Jews to disembark at Miami Harbor from the German ship the SS St. Louis, knowing that they would be returned to Hitler’s clutches in Nazi Germany.

(The Holocaust Museum in Washington, to its credit, has an excellent exhibition on U.S. government indifference to the plight of the Jews under Hitler’s control, a dark period in American history to which all too many Americans are never exposed in their public-school training. See also my June 1991 Freedom Daily article “Locking Out the Immigrant.”)

Check out this interesting website, which details a very nice pictorial description of Hitler’s summer home in Bavaria published by a prominent English magazine named Home and Gardens in November 1938. Now, ask yourself: If it was so obvious that Hitler was evil incarnate during the 1930s, would a prominent English magazine have been risking its readership by publishing such a profile? And let’s also not forget that it was Hitler’s Germany that hosted the worldwide Olympics in 1936, games in which the United States, Great Britain, and many other countries participated. Ask yourself: Why would they have done that?

The Great Depression was not the only factor that was leading people to support Hitler. There was also the ever-present fear of communism among the German people. In fact, throughout the 1930s it could be said that Germany was facing the same type of Cold War against the Soviet Union that the United States faced from 1945 to 1989. Ever since the chaos of World War I had given rise to the Russian Revolution, Germany faced the distinct possibility of being taken over by the communists (a threat that materialized into reality for East Germans at the end of World War II). It was a threat that Hitler, like later American presidents, used as a justification for ever-increasing spending on the military-industrial complex. The ever-present danger of Soviet communism led many Germans to gravitate to the support of their government, just as it later moved many Americans to support big government and a strong military-industrial complex in their country throughout the Cold War.

Hitler’s war on terrorism

One of the most searing events in German history occurred soon after Hitler took office. On February 27, 1933, in what easily could be termed the 9/11 terrorist attack of that time, German terrorists fire-bombed the German parliament building. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that Adolf Hitler, one of the strongest political leaders in history, would declare war on terrorism and ask the German parliament (the Reichstag) to give him temporary emergency powers to fight the terrorists. Passionately claiming that such powers were necessary to protect the freedom and well-being of the German people, Hitler persuaded the German legislators to give him the emergency powers he needed to confront the terrorist crisis. What became known as the Enabling Act allowed Hitler to suspend civil liberties “temporarily,” that is, until the crisis had passed. Not surprisingly, however, the threat of terrorism never subsided and Hitler’s “temporary” emergency powers, which were periodically renewed by the Reichstag, were still in effect when he took his own life some 12 years later.

Is it so surprising that ordinary German citizens were willing to support their government’s suspension of civil liberties in response to the threat of terrorism, especially after the terrorist strike on the Reichstag?

During the 1930s, the United States faced the Great Depression, and many Americans were willing to accede to Roosevelt’s assumption of massive emergency powers, including the power to control economic activity and also to nationalize and confiscate people’s gold.

During the Cold War, the fear of communism induced Americans to permit their government to collect massive amounts of income taxes to fund the military-industrial complex and to let U.S. officials send more than 100,000 American soldiers to their deaths in undeclared wars in Korea and Vietnam.

Since the 9/11 attacks, Americans have been more than willing for their government to infringe on vital civil liberties, including habeas corpus, involve the nation in an undeclared and unprovoked war on Iraq, and spend ever-growing amounts of money on the military-industrial complex, all in the name of the “war on terrorism.”

Crises versus liberty

While the American people faced these three crises – the Great Depression, the communist threat, and the war on terrorism at three separate times, the German people during the Hitler regime faced the same three crises all within a short span of time. Given that, why would it surprise anyone that many Germans would gravitate toward the support of their government just as many Americans gravitated toward the support of their government during each of those crises?

Even Sophie Scholl and her brother Hans eagerly joined the Hitler Youth when they were in high school. In the ever-growing crisis environment of the 1930s, millions of other ordinary Germans also came to support their government, enthusiastically cheering their leaders, supporting their policies, and sending their children into national service and looking the other way when the government became abusive. Among the few who resisted were Robert and Magdalena Scholl, the parents of Hans and Sophie, who gradually opened the minds of their children to the truth.

The three major crises faced by Germany in the 1930s – economic depression, communism, and terrorism – pale to relative insignificance compared with the crisis that Germany faced during the 1940s – World War II, the crisis that threatened, at least in the minds of Hitler and his cohorts, the very existence of Germany. That Hans and Sophie Scholl and other German students began circulating leaflets calling on Germans to oppose their government in the midst of a major war, when German soldiers were dying on two fronts, makes the story of the White Rose even more remarkable and perhaps even a bit discomforting for some Americans.

The most remarkable part of the movie Sophie Scholl: The Final Days is the courtroom scene, which is based on recently discovered German archives. Sophie and her brother Hans, along with their friend Christoph Probst, stand before the infamous Roland Freisler, presiding judge of the People’s Court, whom Hitler had immediately sent to Munich after the Gestapo’s arrest of the Scholls and Probst.

The People’s Court had been established by Hitler as part of the government’s war on terrorism after the terrorist firebombing of the German parliament building. Displeased with the independence of the judiciary in the trials of the suspected Reichstag terrorists, Hitler had set up the People’s Court to ensure that terrorists and traitors would receive the “proper” verdict and punishment. Judicial proceedings were conducted in secret for reasons of national security, which is why Freisler threw Hans’s and Sophie’s parents out of the courtroom when they tried to enter.

At the trial, Freisler railed at the three young people before him, accusing them of being ungrateful traitors for having opposed their government in the midst of the war. His rant went to the core of why many Germans supported Hitler during World War II.

From the first grade in public (i.e., government) schools, it was ingrained in German children that, during times of war, it was the duty of every German to come to the support of his country, which, in the minds of the German officials, was synonymous with the German government. Once a war was under way, the time for discussion and debate was over, at least until the war was over. Opposition to the war would demoralize the troops, it was said, and, therefore, hurt the war effort. Opposing the government (and the troops) in wartime, therefore, was considered treasonous.

Keep in mind that at the time the Scholls were caught distributing their anti-war and anti-government leaflets – 1943 – Germany was fighting a war for its survival on two fronts: the Eastern front against the Soviet Union and the Western front against Britain and the United States. Thousands of German soldiers were dying on the battlefield, especially in the Soviet Union. Whether they agreed with the war effort or not, the German people were expected to support the troops, which meant supporting the war effort.

Lies and wars of aggression

One might object that, since Germany was the aggressor in the conflict, the German people should have refused to support the war. That objection, however, ignores an important point: that in the minds of many Germans, Germany was not the aggressor in World War II but rather the defending nation. After all, that’s what they had been told by their government officials.

An aggressor nation will inevitably try to manipulate events so as to appear to be the victimized nation – that is, the nation that is defending itself against aggression. In that way, government officials can tell the citizenry, “We are innocent! We were just minding our own business when our nation was attacked.” Naturally, the citizenry can then assume that there was nothing that could have been done to prevent the war and will be more willing to defend their nation against the attackers.

That is exactly what happened in Germany’s invasion of Poland, which precipitated World War II. After several weeks in which tensions between the two nations were heightened, German soldiers on the Polish-German border were attacked by Polish troops. Hitler followed the time-honored script by dramatically announcing that Germany had been attacked by Poland, requiring Germany to defend herself with a counterattack and an invasion of Poland.

There was one big problem, however – one that the German people were unaware of: the Polish troops who had done the attacking were actually German troops dressed up in Polish uniforms. In other words, German officials had lied about the cause of the war.

Now, some might argue that Germans should not have automatically believed Hitler, especially knowing that throughout history rulers had lied about matters relating to war. But Germans took the position that they had the right and the duty to place their trust in their government officials. After all, Germans felt, their government officials had access to information that the people did not have. Many Germans felt that their government would never lie to them about a matter as important as war.

Also, keep in mind that under the Nazi system Hitler had the sole prerogative of deciding whether to send the nation into war. While he might consult with the Reichstag or advise it of his plans, he did not need its consent to declare and wage war against another nation. He – and he alone – had the power to decide whether to go to war. Therefore, given that Hitler was not required to secure a declaration of war from the Reichstag before going to war against Poland, there was no real way to test whether his claims of a Polish attack were in fact true.

After the German “counterattack” against Poland, England and France declared war on Germany. (Oddly, neither country declared war on the Soviet Union, which also invaded Poland soon after Germany did.) Thus, in the minds of the German people, England and France were coming to the aid of the aggressor – Poland – necessitating Germany’s defending itself against all three nations.

Loyalty and obeying orders

German soldiers, of course, were also expected to do their duty and follow the orders of their commander in chief. Under Germany’s system, it was not up to the individual soldier to reach his own independent judgment about whether Germany was the aggressor in the conflict or whether Hitler had lied about the reasons for going to war. Thus, German soldiers, both Protestant and Catholic, understood that they could kill Polish soldiers with a clear conscience because, again, it was not up to the individual soldier to decide on the justice of the war. He could entrust that decision to his superior officers and political leaders and simply assume that the order to invade was morally and legally justified.

Once troops were committed to battle, most German civilians understood their duty – support the troops who were now fighting and dying on the battlefield for their country, for the fatherland. The time for debating and discussing the causes of the war would have to wait until the war’s end. What mattered, once the war was under way, was winning.

Hermann Goering, founder of the Gestapo, explained the strategy:

Why, of course, the people don’t want war.... Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship....

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Recognizing and opposing evil

Some might argue that Germans, unlike people in other nations, should not have trusted and supported their government officials during the war because it was obvious that Hitler and his henchmen were evil. The problem with that argument, however, is that throughout the 1930s many Germans and many foreigners did not automatically come to the conclusion that Hitler was evil. On the contrary, as we saw in part one of this article, many of them saw Hitler as exercising the same kind of strong leadership that Franklin Roosevelt was exercising to bring the United States out of the Great Depression and, in fact, as implementing many of the same kinds of programs that Roosevelt was implementing in the United States. (For more on this point, see the excellent book published last year Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt’s America, Mussolini’s Italy, and Hitler’s Germany, 1933–1939, by Wolfgang Schivelbusch.)

Moreover, while it’s true that throughout the 1930s Hitler was harassing, abusing, and mistreating German Jews, many people all over the world didn’t care, because anti-Semitism was not limited to Germany but instead extended to many parts of the globe.

Don’t forget, for example, about how the Roosevelt administration used immigration controls to prevent German Jews from immigrating to the United States.

Even as late as 1938 U.S. officials refused to let German Jews disembark at Miami Harbor from the SS St. Louis, knowing that they would have to be returned to Hitler’s Germany.

Even after the outbreak of the war, when the severity of the Nazi threat to Jews skyrocketed, the constantly shifting maze of U.S. immigration rules and regulations prevented Anne Frank and her family, along with lots of other Jewish families, from immigrating to the United States.

Some might say that the German people should have ceased supporting their government once the Holocaust began. There are two big problems with that argument, however. First, the German people didn’t know what was going on in the death camps and, second, they didn’t want to know. After all, the death camps and the Holocaust didn’t get established until after the war was well under way and when Hitler’s power over the German people was absolute – and brutal.

How was the average German supposed to know about what was going on inside the death camps? Suppose a German walked up to a concentration camp, knocked on the gates, and said, “I have heard that you are doing bad things to people inside this camp. I would like to come in and inspect the premises.” What do you think would have been the answer? Most likely, he would have been invited inside the compound, as a permanent guest with a very shortened life span.

After all, what government is going to permit its citizens to know its most secret operations, especially during times of war? Not even the U.S. government does that.

For example, what do you think would happen if an American citizen today discovered the location of one of the CIA’s secret overseas detention facilities and then knocked on the front door, saying, “I’ve heard rumors that you are torturing people here. I would like to come in and inspect the premises to see whether those rumors are true.”

Does anyone honestly think that the CIA would let the person inside those supersecret facilities? Now, imagine a situation in which the United States is fighting a major war for its survival against, say, China on one side, and an alliance of Middle East countries on the other. Suppose also that the United States is almost certain to lose the war and that foreign troops are slowly but surely closing in on the U.S. president and his cabinet. What are the chances that the CIA would permit an American citizen to inspect the insides of its prisoner facilities under those circumstances? Indeed, what are the chances that any American is going to make such a demand under those circumstances?

Most Germans did not want to know what was going on inside the concentration camps. If they knew that bad things were occurring, their consciences might start bothering them, which might motivate them to take action to bring the wrongdoing to a stop, which could be dangerous. It was easier – and safer – to look the other way and simply entrust such important matters to their government officials. In that way, it was believed, the government, rather than the individual citizen, would bear the legal and moral consequences for wrongful acts that the government was committing secretly.

Of course, government officials encouraged that mindset of conscious indifference. Don’t concern yourselves with such things, they suggested; just leave them to us – after all, we are at war and these are things that are best left to your government officials.

No doubt that by the time World War II was well under way some Germans were thinking that the time for protesting had been during the 1930s, when Germans were reaching out for a “strong leader” to get them out of “crises” and “emergencies,” and when protests against the government were much less dangerous.

Patriotism and courage

All this, obviously, places Hans and Sophie Scholl and the other members of the White Rose in a remarkable light, one that even many Americans might find discomforting. After all, it’s easy for an American to look at Nazi Germany from the perspective of an outsider and one who has the benefit of historical knowledge, especially about the Holocaust. The interesting question, however, is, What would Americans have done if they had been German citizens during World War II? Would they have opposed their government, as the members of the White Rose did, or would they have supported their government, especially knowing that the troops were fighting and dying on the battlefield?

In one of their leaflets, the members of the White Rose wrote, “We are your bad conscience.” They were asking Germans to rise above the old, degenerate concept of patriotism that entailed blindly supporting one’s government in time of war. They were asking German soldiers to rise above the old, degenerate concept of blind obedience to orders. They were asking Germans to confront openly the rumors of what German officials were doing to the Jews in the concentration camps. They were asking German citizens, both civilian and military, to make an independent judgment on both the Hitler regime and the war, to judge both the government and the war as immoral and illegitimate, and to take the necessary steps to put a stop to both.

They were asking Germans to embrace a different and higher concept of patriotism – one that involves a devotion to a set of moral principles and values rather than blind allegiance to one’s government in time of war. It was a type of patriotism that involved opposition to one’s own government, especially in time of war, when government is engaged in conduct that violates moral principles and values.

The story of the White Rose is one of the most remarkable stories of courage in history. At the trial, Christoph Probst asked Freisler to spare his life, an understandable request given that his wife had recently given birth to their third child. Neither Sophie nor her brother Hans flinched. Sophie bluntly told Freisler that the war was lost and that German soldiers were being sacrificed for nothing, a statement that, from the looks on the faces of the military brass attending the trial in the film, momentarily hit home. She said that one day Freisler and his ilk would be sitting in the dock being judged by others for their crimes. She bluntly told him, “Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don’t dare express themselves as we did.”

Freisler quickly issued the preordained verdict – Guilty – and sentenced the defendants to death, a sentence that was carried out at the guillotine three days after they had been arrested. After all, as Freisler declared, Hans and Sophie Scholl and their friend Christoph Probst had opposed their government during time of war. In Freisler’s mind – indeed, in the minds of many Germans – what better evidence of treason than that?

history repeats.

baron von lotsov
19-07-2007, 07:55 PM
That was one of the best articles I have read for a long time. I also put it up on the NO2ID forum as I think it is good background reading material. Naturally no one has even bothered to comment. Remember the average reading age is only about 5 years old on here! Not cosmic enough obviously.

december
19-07-2007, 08:14 PM
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anoninnyc
19-07-2007, 08:20 PM
brilliant article. history certainly does repeat, sadly. the prisoner abuse scandals we have seen both in iraq and gitmo are just the tip of the iceberg.

synergy777
19-07-2007, 08:56 PM
cheers people. baron, good luck on the forum. its shows that there are good people in every country/culture. also the white rose, not a bad symbol to use for the truth movement, or multi coloured rose, eg petals of different colours.

anon the parallels are disturbing, but in this day and age of electronic transfer of data, on a global scale, makes us more informed and empowered than anyother time in human history.

december
19-07-2007, 08:58 PM
cheers people. baron, good luck on the forum. its shows that there are good people in every country/culture. also the white rose, not a bad symbol to use for the truth movement, or multi coloured rose, eg petals of different colours.

anon the parallels are disturbing, but in this day and age of electronic transfer of data, on a global scale, makes us more informed and empowered than anyother time in human history.


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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5460&page=4

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anoninnyc
19-07-2007, 09:22 PM
okay so it has been established that synergy777 is a perv with a very odd and british sense of humor. if he really said anything about killing all the white people that is disgusting but as it is on some other forum i have no way to verify this and i don't know why you bring up things that are said on another forum. instead of harping on synergy why don't you answer my question as to why you posted a picture of a black man with a link to an article about how he was a rapist on another thread. you seem to be full of hatred towards other races yet get upset if you feel others have the same feelings about your race. and newsflash- indians and europeans are very closely related.

baron von lotsov
20-07-2007, 01:38 PM
There are still some questions that in my mind anyway remain unanswered. The Rothschilds built Hitler up; Britain supplied Hitler through third party so-called independent countries. British coal was sold to them for smelting the steel that was supplied to the Nazis to build their tanks. Britain agreed with Hitler invading Poland but at the same time Britain was with the Communists, since they had created them in the first place.

The reason it seemed the Nazis were having a problem was due to these Communists, the 1930s Muslims if you like. Then Hitler also decided to print the government's own money which was a bit of a kick in the face for the Rothschilds who has supplied the funds to build his army up. In addition I think it was through Britain that Hitler became interested in the occult through the Thule Society. Hitler was also close to Britain in that in 1919 it was reported in his sister's diary that he visited to attend the Tavistock Clinic for training.

So what was really going on and who was supporting who and why? Did Britain support Hitler to the end or did it cut ties at some point? During the First World War there was a situation where half the Cliveden set knew the real deal regarding the First World War and the other half thought that the real deal was to fight for Britain and all of that patriotic stuff. The other half knew something along the lines that the war was a construct of the elite in order to consolidate power and make money.

synergy777
20-07-2007, 02:00 PM
There are still some questions that in my mind anyway remain unanswered. The Rothschilds built Hitler up; Britain supplied Hitler through third party so-called independent countries. British coal was sold to them for smelting the steel that was supplied to the Nazis to build their tanks. Britain agreed with Hitler invading Poland but at the same time Britain was with the Communists, since they had created them in the first place.

The reason it seemed the Nazis were having a problem was due to these Communists, the 1930s Muslims if you like. Then Hitler also decided to print the government's own money which was a bit of a kick in the face for the Rothschilds who has supplied the funds to build his army up. In addition I think it was through Britain that Hitler became interested in the occult through the Thule Society. Hitler was also close to Britain in that in 1919 it was reported in his sister's diary that he visited to attend the Tavistock Clinic for training.

So what was really going on and who was supporting who and why? Did Britain support Hitler to the end or did it cut ties at some point? During the First World War there was a situation where half the Cliveden set knew the real deal regarding the First World War and the other half thought that the real deal was to fight for Britain and all of that patriotic stuff. The other half knew something along the lines that the war was a construct of the elite in order to consolidate power and make money

great stuff baron. as we know the rothschilds were in need of a prs to create israel from the fallout of ww2. this with the british israel doctrine/ tribe of jacob = union jack, balfour declaration, gave them the required momentum and public sympathy. i think due to the city's financial links, england was the best place to funnel funds. from london to zurich, from zurich to germany, london was less regulated. look at new york, we all know what happened with prescott bush/ig faben, he was charged under the trading with enemey act etc. i think britain's elite supported hitler, look at the abidication of Edward VII. he thought hitler would win and make him king of the empire, the american divorcee was the public cover story, there are pics of the meeting all over the web. also the saxe coburg gotha's are german, so they had to keep linked with hitler. its after this public fiasco, they decided to make themselves less anglo and change their name to windsors.

the consoliditation of wealth, the pretext for israels creation, the united nations/nato. people might get upset, but really the uniformed juvenile views of closet fascists are not worth anything, they will be judged as the nazi's were. also why the carte blanche for stalin, he killed more people than hitler. i think they built hitler up, to sacrifice him, bush is the same, its the controlled oppostion, good cop, bad cop trick.



as for my sense of humour, why don't you grow up. december you live in america and think the nwo don't control russia, either you are a troll, or just a sad russian twat. i admire your admiration of me, to constantly pester me paparazzi style, with your spam, is awesome, quite an ego booster, thank you brother, you are most kind. i bet you have my posts saved don't you, from trotsky to trollsky, lol now if you would let adults discuss important matters and go away.

winniewillcocks
20-07-2007, 02:04 PM
The TRUE face of synergy777:



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5460&page=4

Also, on old David Icke forum synergy777 said that in India they have Kamasutra, so they f*ck like rabits, and one day they will overpower the White People by the numbers.

And on Illusions forum synergy777 said that "We have to kill as many whites as possible..."

And former MODERATOR of the OFFICAIL Icke forum supports him!

:eek: Thats sick man your right :eek:

Hang him! Hang him!! hang him1!!!

synergy777
20-07-2007, 02:09 PM
Edward VIIhttp://www.answers.com/topic/king-edward-viii

Saxe Coburg Gotha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha

http://www.answers.com/topic/saxe-coburg-and-gotha


Hitler a british agent
http://www.savethemales.ca/001399.html

An Heir for the House of Hohenzollern.
http://members.tripod.com/~Nevermore/crown.html


http://www.answers.com/topic/saxe-coburg-and-gotha

name from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to the House of Windsor in 1917. The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is a line of the Saxon House of Wettin.

http://www.answers.com/topic/windsor

house of Windsor

Royal house of Britain, which succeeded the house of Hanover on the death of its last monarch, Queen Victoria. The dynastic name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was that of Victoria's German-born husband, Prince Albert. The dynasty has included Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, George VI, and Elizabeth II. In view of the anti-German atmosphere of World War I, George V proclaimed in 1917 that all British male descendants of Queen Victoria would adopt the surname of Windsor.

synergy777
20-07-2007, 02:13 PM
http://www.answers.com/topic/windsor

house of Windsor

Royal house of Britain, which succeeded the house of Hanover on the death of its last monarch, Queen Victoria. The dynastic name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was that of Victoria's German-born husband, Prince Albert. The dynasty has included Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, George VI, and Elizabeth II. In view of the anti-German atmosphere of World War I, George V proclaimed in 1917 that all British male descendants of Queen Victoria would adopt the surname of Windsor.


http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/279/468pxagoodriddancegeorgxv2.png

also as some suggest the monarchy is a proxy monarchy installed by rothschild, how would the monarchy break free from this arrangement, if she wanted to.

baron von lotsov
20-07-2007, 03:38 PM
Yes the state of Israel is a good contender in terms of reasons why the elite wanted to do this but it's odd even so. The main enemy were the communists; even the party was motivated by this. Jews might not have been very popular but how did it go from being attacked by communists to going after the Jews in such a way? The official explanation is that Hitler was mad and did it for pseudo religious reasons with 'his' belief in eugenics and the Arian race. But we know Hitler was not this mad, no more so than you could call someone like Thatcher mad. Thatcher didn't like socialists, she went on about them day after day, but never so much as wrongfully imprisoned any of them.

I still think there are bits missing to this issue. How did Hitler explain to his anti Communist party that actually the commies are not the problem but the Jews? I have never heard of a single commie being sent to the death camps, they were strictly for the Jews. Some were even aided by Jews so you have Jews against Jews.

sensimillia
20-07-2007, 03:54 PM
they were strictly for the Jews

not true, my relatives were put in camps, and they were not jewish.

baron von lotsov
20-07-2007, 05:50 PM
Yes but they had that IBM racial profiling system where if you were Jewish you automatically got sent there. Sure there were a few others that they wanted out of the way but when have you ever heard that the Nazis persecuted the Communists and put them to death in those camps. This is what does not add up. I'm still none the wiser despite your relatives.

anoninnyc
20-07-2007, 06:10 PM
The Gypsies Under the Third Reich

The persecution of Gypsies began in the very beginning of the Third Reich - Gypsies were arrested and interned in concentration camps as well as sterilized under the July 1933 Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring. Yet, in the beginning, Gypsies were not specifically named as a group that threatened the Aryan, German people. This was because under Nazi racial ideology, Gypsies were Aryans.

Thus, the Nazis had a problem: how could they persecute a group enveloped in negative stereotypes but supposedly part of the Aryan, super race?

After much thinking, Nazi racial researchers found a "scientific" reason to persecute at least most of the Gypsies. They found their answer in Professor Hans F. K. Günther's book Rassenkunde Europas ("Anthropology of Europe") where he wrote:

* The Gypsies have indeed retained some elements from their Nordic home, but they are descended from the lowest classes of the population in that region. In the course of their migrations, they have absorbed the blood of the surrounding peoples, and have thus become an Oriental, western-Asiatic racial mixture, with an addition of Indian, mid-Asiatic, and European strains. Their nomadic mode of living is a result of this mixture. The Gypsies will generally affect Europe as aliens.2 With this belief, the Nazis needed to determine who was "pure" Gypsy and who was "mixed." Thus, in 1936, the Nazis established the Racial Hygiene and Population Biology Research Unit, with Dr. Robert Ritter at its head, to study the Gypsy problem and to make recommendations for Nazi policy.

As with the Jews, the Nazis needed to determine who was to be considered a "Gypsy." Dr. Ritter decided that someone could be considered a Gypsy if they had "one or two Gypsies among his grandparents" or if "two or more of his grandparents are part-Gypsies."3 Kenrick and Puxon personally blame Dr. Ritter for the additional 18,000 German Gypsies that were killed because of this more inclusive designation, rather than if the same rules had been followed as were applied to Jews.4

To study Gypsies, Dr. Ritter, his assistant Eva Justin, and his research team visited the Gypsy concentration camps (Zigeunerlagers) and examined thousands of Gypsies - documenting, registering, interviewing, photographing, and finally categorizing them.

It was from this research that Dr. Ritter formulated that 90% of Gypsies were of mixed blood, thus dangerous.

Having established a "scientific" reason to persecute 90% of the Gypsies, the Nazis needed to decide what to do with the other 10% - the ones that were nomadic and appeared to have the least number of "Aryan" qualities. At times Himmler discussed letting the "pure" Gypsies roam relatively freely and also suggested a special reservation for them. Assumably as part of one of these possibilities, nine Gypsy representatives were selected in October 1942 and told to create lists of Sinti and Lalleri to be saved.

There must have been confusion within the Nazi leadership, for it seems that many wanted all Gypsies killed, with no exceptions, even if they were categorized as Aryan. On December 3, 1942, Martin Bormann wrote in a letter to Himmler:

* . . . special treatment would mean a fundamental deviation from the simultaneous measures for fighting the Gypsy menace and would not be understood at all by the population and lower leaders of the party. Also the Führer would not agree to giving one section of the Gypsies their old freedom.5

Though the Nazis did not discover a "scientific" reason to kill the ten percent of Gypsies categorized as "pure," there were no distinctions made when Gypsies were ordered to Auschwitz or deported to the other death camps.

By the end of the war, it is estimated that 250,000 to 500,000 Gypsies were murdered in the Porajmos - killing approximately three-fourths of the German Gypsies and half of the Austrian Gypsies.

So much happened to the Gypsies during the Third Reich, I created a timeline to help outline the process from "Aryan" to annihilation.

http://history1900s.about.com/od/holocaust/a/gypsies.htm

anoninnyc
20-07-2007, 06:12 PM
also homosexuals. see http://www.holocaust-trc.org/homosx.htm

anoninnyc
20-07-2007, 06:16 PM
Poles and Other Slavs

It is often forgotten that Christian Poles and other Slavs, notably Ukrainians and Byelorussians, were also primary targets of Nazi Germany hatred during World War II. To the Nazis, the Slavs were considered Untermenschen,or subhumans, and nothing more than obstacles to gaining territory necessary for the superior German race. This philosophy is apparent in Hitler's statement, "The destruction of Poland is our primary task. The aim is not the arrival at a certain line but the annihilation of living forces...."

The combination of a Nazi genocidal policy and the Nazis' thirst for more living space resulted in disaster for Polish, Ukrainian, and Byelorussian populations. Millions of Slavs were deported to Germany for forced labor. Intelligentsia, consisting of teachers, physicians, clergy, business owners, attorneys, engineers, landowners, and writers, were imprisoned in concentration camps or publicly executed. Tens of thousands of Ukrainians were executed by mobile killing squads, or Einsatzgruppen.

Those who were sent to camps had to wear badges, of course. There was not one badge designation for Poles and other Slavs. Rather, a Polish or Slavic person was categorized as a criminal, asocial, political prisoner, and so on.

Millions upon millions of non-Jews were slaughtered in the Slavic countries.

Further information about the Nazi treatment of the Polish people.

Political Dissidents and Dissenting Clergy
The remnants of the Communist and Socialist parties and members of the trade unions resisted the Nazi regime. Especially in the early years of the Third Reich, political prisoners were a significant portion of the concentration camp inmates. At the end of July 1933, about 27,000 political prisoners were being held in concentration camps in "protective custody." During its twelve year existence, Dachau was always a camp for political prisoners.

In 1933, the Roman Catholic Church signed a concordat or agreement with the new Nazi government, recognizing the legitimacy of the Third Reich. The Protestant Church was united into a single Reich Church under one bishop. In September 1933, Martin Niemöller, a pastor of a fashionable church in Berlin, set up a Pastors' Emergency League which led to the formation of the anti-Nazi Confessional Church. This church wrote a memorandum to Hitler attacking the government's anti-Christian campaign, policies of antisemitism, and terrorizing tactics. Hitler responded with a crackdown on members of the Confessional Church. Hundreds of dissenting clergy were arrested, many were imprisoned, and also executed.

Further information about the Nazi treatment of political prisoners and dissenting clergy.

Persons with Physical or Mental Disabilities
These people never were assigned a badge because they were rarely sent to concentration camps. Persons with physical or mental disabilities threatened the Nazi plan for human "perfection."

In 1934, forced sterilization programs sterilized 300,000 - 400,000 people, mainly those in mental hospitals and other institutions. Propaganda was distributed which helped build public support for these government policies. Persons who were mentally ill or physically disabled were stigmatized, while the costs of care were emphasized in propaganda campaigns.

In 1939, a Nazi "euthanasia program" began. This term is used as a euphemism for the Nazi plan to murder those with physical or mental defects. Unlike the sterilization program, the "euthanasia" program was conducted in secrecy. "Operation T4" was the code term used to designate this killing project.

As word leaked out about the "euthanasia" program, some church leaders, parents of victims, physicians, and judges protested the killings. Hitler ordered the end of Operation T4 in August 1941. However, the murders continued in a decentralized manner. Doctors were encouraged to kill patients with disabilities by starvation, poisoning, or injection.

Further information about the Nazi treatment of persons with physical or mental disabilities.

Jehovah's Witnesses
In 1933, the Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany totaled about twenty thousand. Although their religious meetings were outlawed after the Nazi rise to power, many continued to practice their religion. In 1934, Jehovah's Witnesses attempted to fend off Nazi attacks by having congregations send letters to the government explaining their beliefs and political neutrality.

The Nazis did not tolerate the Jehovah's Witnesses' refusal, which was based on religious principles, to salute flags, to raise their arms to "Heil Hitler,"or to serve in the German army. The group was banned by national law in April 1935. Those Witnesses who defied the ban on their activities were arrested and sent to prisons and concentration camps.

Marked with purple triangular badges, the Witnesses were a relatively small group of prisoners in the concentration camps, numbering several hundred per camp. If Jehovah's Witnesses within the camps signed documents renouncing their religious beliefs, they would be freed. Very few, even in the face of torture, signed the declarations. In all, about 10,000 Jehovah's Witnesses were imprisoned in concentration camps. Of these, approximately 2,500 to 5,000 died in Dachau, Belsen, Buchenwald, Auschwitz, and other camps.

Further information about the Nazi treatment of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Homosexuals
A state policy of persecution of homosexuals began in Germany in 1933. Publications by and about homosexuals were prohibited and burned. In 1934, a special Gestapo division on homosexuals was set up. A criminal code relating to homosexuality was amended and made harsher. German police raided gay clubs and bars and made arrests.

Some homosexuals spent time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000-15,000 were sent to concentration camps. Even within the confines of the camps, homosexuals were mistreated and tormented by other inmates.

The Nazi regime claimed its concern about homosexuality related to keeping the Aryan birthrate high. German and Austrian gays were subject to arrest and imprisonment, but in German-occupied countries, Nazis did not deport homosexuals and send them to camps.

Memorial photographs, Web links, and a bibliography related to homosexual victims of the Third Reich.


Other Victims
When the Nazis came to power there were hundreds of African-German children living in the Rhineland. They were the offspring of German mothers and African soldiers brought in during the French occupation. In Mein Kampf,Hitler claimed these children were part of a Jewish plot to begin "bastardizing the European continent at its core." Under the Nazi regime, African-German children were labeled "Rhineland Bastards" and forcibly sterilized.

Asocials were another category of people that Nazis deemed undesirable, and necessary for eradication. Nazis targeted numerous vagrants, prostitutes, alcoholics, and others who were considered unfit for society.

http://www.fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/people/victims.htm

synergy777
20-07-2007, 06:23 PM
sensi are you romany? my romanies were put into camps. (E)gypsies is a false attributed term, it means to come from egypt. as the hyskos of egypt came from india via persia and later migrated into europe eg roma. the romanies are more aryan than hitler.

sensimillia
20-07-2007, 06:33 PM
sensi are you romany?

no, i just look that way.;) i´m serbian...

synergy777
20-07-2007, 06:41 PM
baron communism is the desired state of the nwo, it takes away the right for individuals to own property and places all assets into the hands of the govt/elite. this is why the lefties who hark on about communism are either ignorant or fascist. the whole basis of liberty/democracy is the ability for man to own his own property. the elite wanted to destroy the economic might of germany, the will of its people. this is what they are doing to america now.

they detest strong democracies and love the russia/china models. i fell into this trap, until i looked at it properly. liberal democractic republics, with true free markets (no market manipulation, cartels, monopolies) reward for personal enterprise etc is the ideal state of affairs. these controlled markets are designed to consolidate wealth. in communism, the govt/elite own everything and the masses are merely serfs.

the jewish side is because basically jews are the best businessmen, and the nwo can use them. marx was jew, stalin, lenin were jews. the banks financed the trotskys, the overthrow of the czar. its not a jewish conspiracy, its just they were the chosen agent to usher in change, like zionists/wahabbis.

the plan was to build up germany after ww1, use hitler to usher in war, then collapse the german economy, and then create a political body to prevent individual superpowers from creating mass conflicts. this is the same ploy they are using america for. after ww2 came nato/united nations, after this war they hope to usher in world government.

the banks finance both sides, so are in a win/win situation

synergy777
20-07-2007, 06:46 PM
you gotta good tan, from monte-negro, lol you know negro means black.

sensimillia
20-07-2007, 06:52 PM
you gotta good tan, from monte-negro, lol you know negro means black.

haha, no actually just serbian, that picture was taken on a holliday, which explains the tan. negro=black? who would have thought of it..;) cheers my friend!

synergy777
20-07-2007, 07:04 PM
nagra, negro, nero, moreno, mourinho, molina, black/brown, lol

infinitely free
20-07-2007, 10:51 PM
I don't know how much hitler might have been a part, of the establishment!

But, I actually think that his 'ally', Mussolini, really believed in his cause. Fascism is sure evil!

But, Mussolini did give some real hard time, to all those that seek to impose Fascism today!!

I guess he was more of a ideologist! Who knows!

baron von lotsov
21-07-2007, 03:23 PM
baron communism is the desired state of the nwo, it takes away the right for individuals to own property and places all assets into the hands of the govt/elite. this is why the lefties who hark on about communism are either ignorant or fascist. the whole basis of liberty/democracy is the ability for man to own his own property. the elite wanted to destroy the economic might of germany, the will of its people. this is what they are doing to america now.

they detest strong democracies and love the russia/china models. i fell into this trap, until i looked at it properly. liberal democractic republics, with true free markets (no market manipulation, cartels, monopolies) reward for personal enterprise etc is the ideal state of affairs. these controlled markets are designed to consolidate wealth. in communism, the govt/elite own everything and the masses are merely serfs.

the jewish side is because basically jews are the best businessmen, and the nwo can use them. marx was jew, stalin, lenin were jews. the banks financed the trotskys, the overthrow of the czar. its not a jewish conspiracy, its just they were the chosen agent to usher in change, like zionists/wahabbis.

the plan was to build up germany after ww1, use hitler to usher in war, then collapse the german economy, and then create a political body to prevent individual superpowers from creating mass conflicts. this is the same ploy they are using america for. after ww2 came nato/united nations, after this war they hope to usher in world government.

the banks finance both sides, so are in a win/win situation

Yes, I have been arguing those points for a long time and know that the NWO is a communist system kind of thing. I was more interested in how they managed to pull it off considering the people at the time did not have any real problems with Jews compared to the communists that were going around setting light to things. You see what I mean, they can't just enact an agenda without some bullshit to justify it and it seems like a lot of bullshit would have been required to do such a thing.

Also to back your points, Stalin also murdered millions of middle class Jews. Their guilt lay in the fact they were middle class, the workers were not so heavily sought after in their versions of the Nazi death camps. Naturally no system historian says anything bad about Stalin.

When I was at university I could not believe the stupidity of these Marxists. I'd hang them up in front of a crowd of friends every time they preached to me at the student union. They were brainwashed far more than any cult member of some pseudo-religion. They all wore those national health black rimmed glasses, like a trademark they were. I had never come across so much bullshit in my entire life than the Manchester University Marxist societies. Second only to the woman's rights groups that they also ran there.

synergy777
22-07-2007, 08:26 PM
baron we share similar political views, we are the minority. people fall for the rhetoric without thinking about the consequences of such policies.

here's another social engineer:Bertrand Russell

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6896

Bertrand Russell – Illuminati Strategist

Rixon Stewart – July 19, 2007

The established media tend to portray Bertrand Russell as one of the great ‘thinkers’ of the 20th century and to some extent he was. But he was also a key strategist for the Illuminati.

Unwittingly or not, Russell helped lay the groundwork for many of the elite’s designs for the last century and beyond. An outspoken atheist, Russell did much to popularise and promote atheism in the 20th century. And although he is generally regarded as a philosopher and peace campaigner, his ideas about both society and the individual’s role within it are intrinsically geared toward totalitarianism.

This may seem at odds with Russell’s popular image as a humanist and philosopher but it illustrates how the Illuminati work: through deception and deceit. For saying one thing and doing another is fundamental to the fulfilment of the Illuminati’s plans.

Thus communism, an ideology formulated by the Rothschild sponsored Marx, was once presented as a liberating force for the world’s workers even though it ultimately enslaved millions.

Likewise, the elite owned media portrays drugs and drug culture as the product of the criminal exploitation of misguided youth. Although bizarre as it may seem to those unacquainted with research in the independent media, the drugs trade is largely the creation of the establishment themselves.

The reason behind this is twofold. First drug money is unaccountable and helps to finance covert operations. But perhaps more importantly it also helps accelerate social decay, which the Illuminati benefit from.

Despite what they may say publicly, the real powers that be feed off social decay: because it generates confusion and discord, both of which they exploit as it conceals them and their schemes from wider scrutiny.

Again, this seems at odds with what we are told by the mainstream media but it is a historical fact that at the height of empire Britain fought the first Opium War in China to impose the trade and abuse of opium.

By 1856 they were joined by the French colonial powers who fought alongside the British in the second Opium War to ensure the continued trade and abuse of opium.

Likewise, the Bush family are also reputed to have close connections to the drugs trade, and not just through the phoney “War on Drugs” or President George W. Bush’s largely unreported abuse of cocaine.

All of which brings us back to one of the great thinkers of the 20th century, “philosopher and humanist”, Bertrand Russell.

The planet’s Illuminati overlords were no doubt listening when Russell outlined his vision of the future.

In Russell’s own words:

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology.... Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda.

“Of these the most influential is what is called 'education.' Religion plays a part, though a diminishing one; the press, the cinema, and the radio play an increasing part....

“It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment."

"Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class.

“The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated.

"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible." (Emphasis added)

-- Bertrand Russell, "The Impact of Science on Society", 1953, pg 49-50

“When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen."

– Bertrand Russell, "The Impact of Science on Society", 1953

All of which serves as a fitting obituary to Bertrand Russell, and a timely illustration of how the Illuminati hide their evil intentions beneath a cloak of fine sounding words and names.

Like “education” and “enlightenment” – both of which they use to fulfil their ruthless desire for power. Or men like Bertrand Russell, ostensibly a ‘great humanist’ and ‘philosopher, but in reality a man who helped the Illuminati to formulate their plans for a global concentration camp.

synergy777
22-07-2007, 08:36 PM
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6898

What Every Jew (and Non-Jew) Should Know
Henry Makow Ph.D. – July 22, 2007

Chicago-area scholar, Christopher Jon Bjerknes, 42, thinks he knows what plagues mankind and believes his knowledge is necessary to stop Armageddon.

He says a heretical cult, the "Shabataian Frankists," controls organized Jewry, including Zionism and Freemasonry. They began as followers of Shabatai Zvi (1626-1676) and later Jacob Frank (1726-1791.) They believe Shabatai was the Messiah (God) and his soul has transmigrated down to the Rothschild dynasty, who are now the "king of the Jews."

According to their messianic system, Redemption requires that the Rothschilds become God, i.e. king of the world. This will see the sacrifice of 2/3 of all Jews and the destruction and enslavement of the rest of mankind. Bjerknes believes this demented creed actually is the motive force behind history, including all wars, and world government.

Bjerknes (B-YERK-NES) is proud of his Norwegian Jewish heritage, (his maternal grandfather, a famous musician, was Jewish.) He has written two massive books – one about Albert Einstein as a plagiarist, and another about the Shabataian inspired Armenian Genocide – that include hundreds of pages of suppressed Jewish history. They can be found as PDFs at his web site.

http://www.jewishracism.com/

I think he exaggerates the importance of Jewish messianism but I may be wrong. His message is compelling and consistent with the Protocols of Zion where the author (whom I believe is Lionel Rothschild) talks about coming into his "kingdom."

The Shabataians believe their king is duty bound to restore the Jews to Israel and exterminate the Gentiles. They believe the Messiah won’t appear until the world succumbs to evil and are determined to make this prophecy self-fulfilling. Thus evil is good. In Bjerknes' view, this constitutes a "Jewish war against humanity." When Bjerknes refers to Jewish, he means "Shabataian."

The Shabataians are often sexual degenerates who engage in wife swapping, orgies and incest. They often pretend to be Christians or Moslems to worm their way into Gentile society in order to destroy it. ("Jewish Genocide of Armenian Christians," pp.64-65.)

Bjerknes cites Deuteronomy as an example of this Jewish supremacism: "the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. " (7-16) "And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of you." (28:10)

He points to Zachariah [13;8-9] as evidence that 2/3 of all Jews will be slaughtered: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein."

[9] "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." (He also cites Ezekiel 5:12-13 to this effect.)

On pp. 43-46 of "Jewish Genocide", Bjerknes cites references from the Talmud and the Old Testament to the extermination and enslavement of Gentiles.

For example ,Genesis 25;23, and 27;38-41 promises the Gentiles to the Jews as their slaves and slave soldiers, and gives an incentive to exterminate the Gentiles simply because they dare resent their fate.


ROTHSCHILDS FOLLOW BIBLICAL BLUEPRINT

At the beginning of the 19th century the Rothschilds started campaigning to return the Jews to Israel, purchasing land there and scheming to breakup the Ottoman Empire. They later bought the Suez Canal to project their power into the Middle East. Bjerknes writes:

"The ruin of the Turkish Empire and the mass murder of the Armenian Christians were one step on the long and tumultuous Jewish march toward the death of mankind. The ruin of the Russian empire was another, followed by the repeated destruction of Europe, particularly Germany in the World Wars this Jewish cult created in an attempt to artificially fulfill Messianic prophecy and force the Jews of Europe against their will to flee to Palestine." (66)

According to Bjerknes, Jewish support was the only thing lacking in the the Rothschilds' plan to establish a world government in Jerusalem, with them as king:

"They could bankrupt Egypt and Turkey. They could bring Russia to ruins. They could buy Jewish ne'er-do-wells. They could even buy the Pope but the only way to force Jews in large numbers to Palestine was to put Hitler and Stalin in power and persecute Jews on a massive and unprecedented scale." (291)


CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED

Bjerknes has a poignant warning to Christians:

"In the Jewish dominated media of today, we find many Jews preaching to the public that the end times are coming and that Christians ought to view their own destruction in a positive light as if it were the divine fulfillment of Christian and Jewish prophecy. Many Christians have been duped by these charlatan...the destruction of the world and its nations is occurring as the result of the deliberate intervention of immensely wealthy Jews and not as the result of God's will. These Jewish leaders view the Hebrew Bible as a plan, which they are deliberately fulfilling.... (327)


WHERE BJERKNES AND I DIFFER

As my readers know I see the New World Order as an elite conspiracy driven primarily by the central bankers' need to consolidate their monopoly on credit and power. I believe there is a strong "Jewish" element but that they have co-opted all gentile elites using intermarriage, Freemasonry (run by the Illuminati), and Aryanism. Look at the Gentile membership of the Illuminati Skull and Bones for example. Bjerknes doesn't think the Illuminati is still in business and downplays the Gentile role.

In an email, Bjerknes writes that intermarriage is part of the "Jewish" strategy:

"I believe that powerful Jewish interests have been deliberately attempting to fulfill Jewish messianic prophecy for 2,500 years and have duped many Gentiles into helping them obtain their objectives. They have also recruited many Gentiles through intermarriage, friendship and selfish interests, who are not dupes, but commit inhuman acts out of greed, vanity, or for other immoral reasons. Do they believe that what they are doing is evil? I suspect some do.

I am not opposed to identifying secret societies and the ties among the elite. I simply do not see any justification for calling them Illuminati. As for the overall path of politics and the faces of those who are pushing the cart toward WW III, I think I and countless others have proven that it is a Jewish movement, and that the Illuminati were nothing but a small part of this Jewish movement to gin up an apocalypse, which dates back at least 2,500 years. Of course not everything happening today has a Jewish hand steering its course. But I do believe that powerful Jewish interests ...have the ability to exert more influence than all other groups combined, for the very reason that they have infiltrated so many organizations, religions and governments, and have such disproportionate influence in the media."


CONCLUSION

I wouldn’t be presenting Bjerknes' argument if I didn’t agree that it is important to examine Jewish messianism. If world events indeed are driven by the Rothschild's megalomania propped up by Shabataian ,Old Testament and Talmudic fanaticism, I think Jews and non-Jews alike would want to know, and take exception.

Certainly the role of Jewish Rothschild agents in advocating for the Iraq war and an attack on Iran is consistent with the profile above.

If Bjerknes is right, "anti-Semitism" is exposed as psychological warfare designed to disarm opposition to an insidious tyranny by portraying it as racist. It is also used to manipulate Jews who have been opposed to the Rothschild's insane agenda, and victims of it.

Related: Hitler Used Rothschild Banker's Typewriter for "Mein Kampf"
Hitler Used Rothschild Banker's Typewriterhttp://www.savethemales.ca/002071.html

peachped
23-07-2007, 12:38 AM
LLOYD GEORGE:

Upon his return following a visit to Hitler, his daughter greeted Lloyd George, humorously with a "Heil Hitler!"

"Yes, Heil Hitler. I too, say that because he is truly a great man. I have never met a happier people than the Germans and Hitler is one of the greatest men among the distinctly great men that I have ever encountered."


STALIN:

"He (Stalin) did not share the view of the President that Hitler was unbalanced and emphasised that only a very able man could accomplish what Hitler had done in solidifying the German people whatever we thought of the methods."

VISCOUNT ROTHERMERE:

"In England, many people imagine Hitler as a cannibal; but I would like to say how I have found him. He conveys good comradeship. He is unpretentious, naturally and apparently sincere. It is not true that he speaks to individuals as though he were speaking to an assembly.

He has a supreme intellect. I have known only two other men to whom I could apply such distinction - Lord Northcliffe and Lloyd George. If one puts a question to Hitler, he gives an immediate, brilliant clear answer. There is no human being living whose promise on important matters I would trust more readily. He believes that Germany has a divine calling and that the German people are destined to save Europe from the revolutionary attacks of Communism. He values family life very highly, whereas Communism is its worst enemy. He has thoroughly cleansed the moral, ethical life of Germany, forbidden publication of obscene books, and performance of questionable plays and films.

I spoke with Hitler about one and a half years ago when he said, 'certain English circles speak of me as an adventurer. My reply to that is that adventurers have built the British Empire.

No words can describe his politeness; he disarms men as well as women and can win both at any time with his conciliatory, pleasant smile. He is a man of rare culture. His knowledge of music, the arts and architecture is profound.

Many evidently find it difficult to imagine a cultivated man in accord with a man of determined action. . .

If a vote of general opinion was taken on who was the greatest politician that British history ever produced, the name of Cromwell would very likely head the list. But Cromwell was a man of the greatest determination, and used methods of reckless inconsideration." (Viscount Rothermere, 'Warnings and Predictions', p.180 - 183)

"Hitler's political aim and policy is directed towards attaining his goal without loss of blood. He succeeded in ascending to the highest power-position in Germany with very little spilling of blood or loss of human life in a land of 68 million inhabitants. Austria was annexed without one shot being fired. The unrest in Palestine cost more lives during the past five years than that in Germany and Austria since the inception and the establishment of the Hitler regime." (Daily Mail, 20th, May, 1938)

HANS GRIMM:

"I witness with awe and admiration, that he, as nearly the first in the world, caused multitudes without force or any personal benefits to follow him of their own free will and volition."

Describing in 1945 the conditions that gave rise to National Socialism: "An unyielding predilection for an ethnic community towards national integrity, coupled with a passionate eagerness for Anglo-German co-operation. There was a general anxiety for reform in a changing world; this mass movement recognised new values - both spiritual and physical, as was demonstrated by basing the currency upon production instead of upon gold. Furthermore, the claim that quality must be protected against quantity was also upheld and the whole of this great experiment set out to prove that the spirit of Versailles must be abolished for everybody's benefit."

"Between 1933 and 1939 more was done for public health, for the mother and child, as well as for the promotion of social welfare than before and, perhaps we might admit, than ever before."

Former Prime Minister, Lloyd George
Faith and fulfilment: Our Führer is coming!

"I have now seen the famous German leader and also something of the great change he has effected. "Whatever one may think of his methods - and they are certainly not those of a parliamentary country, there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvelous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook.

He rightly claimed at Nuremberg that in four years his movement had made a new Germany.

It is not the Germany of the first decade that followed the war - broken, dejected and bowed down with a sense of apprehension and impotence. It is now full of hope and confidence, and of a renewed sense of determination to lead its own life without interference from any influence outside its own frontiers.

There is for the first time since the war a general sense of security. The people are more cheerful. There is a greater sense of general gaiety of spirit throughout the land. It is a happier Germany. I saw it everywhere, and Englishmen I met during my trip and who knew Germany well were very impressed with the change.

One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic and dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, as resolute will and a dauntless heart.

He is not merely in name but in fact the national Leader. He has made them safe against potential enemies by whom they were surrounded. He is also securing them against the constant dread of starvation which is one of the most poignant memories of the last years of the War and the first years of the Peace. Over 700,000 died of sheer hunger in those dark years. You can still see the effect in the physique of those who were born into that bleak world.

The fact that Hitler has rescued his country from the fear of repetition of that period of despair, penury and humiliation has given him an unchallenged authority in modern Germany.

As to his popularity, especially among the youth of Germany, there can be no manner of doubt. The old trust him; the young idolise him. It is not the admiration accorded to a popular leader. It is the worship of a national hero who has saved his country from utter despondence and degradation.

To those who have actually seen and sensed the way Hitler reigns over the heart and mind of Germany, this description may appear extravagant. All the same it is the bare truth. This great people will work better, sacrifice more, and, if necessary, fight with greater resolution because Hitler asks the to do so. Those who do not comprehend this central fact cannot judge the present possibilities of modern Germany.

That impression more than anything I witnessed during my short visit to the new Germany. There was a revivalist atmosphere. It had an extraordinary effect in unifying the nation.

Catholic and Protestant, Prussian and Bavarian, employer and workman, rich and poor, have been consolidated into one people. Religious, provincial and class origins no longer divide the nation. There is a passion for unity born of dire necessity.

The divisions, which followed the collapse of 1918, made Germany impotent to face the problems, internal and external. That is why the clash of rival passions is not only deprecated but temporarily suppressed.

I found everywhere a fierce and uncompromising hostility to Russian Bolshevism, coupled with a genuine admiration for the British people with a profound desire for a better and friendlier understanding of them. The Germans have definitely made up their minds never to quarrel with us again, nor have they any vindictive feelings towards the French. They have altogether put out of their minds any desire for the restoration of Alsace-Lorraine.

But there is a real hatred and fear of Russian Bolshevism, and unfortunately it is growing in intensity. It constitutes the driving force of their international and military policy. Their private and public talk is full of it. Wherever you go you need not wait long before you hear the word 'Bolshevismus', and it recurs again and again with a wearying reiteration.

Their eyes are concentrated on the East as if they are watching intently for the breaking of the day of wrath. Against it they are preparing with German thoroughness.

This fear is not put on. High and low they are convinced there is every reason for apprehension. They have a dread of the great army, that has been built up in Russia in recent years.

An exceptionally violent anti-German campaign of abuse printed in the Russian official Press and propelled by the official Moscow radio has revived the suspicion in Germany that the Soviet Government are contemplating mischief." - David Lloyd George, Daily Express, 17.9.1936

WINSTON CHURCHILL:

"In fifteen years that have followed this resolve, he has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very great extent, reversed the results of the Great War. . . the vanquished are in the process of becoming the victors and the victors the vanquished. . . whatever else might be thought about these exploits they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world." - Winston Churchill, 1935

". . . and the achievement by which the tables have been turned upon the complacent, feckless and purblind victors deserves to be reckoned a prodigy in the history of the world and a prodigy which is inseparable from the personal exertions of life thrust on a single man. . .

Those who have met Hitler face to face in public, business, or on social terms, have found a highly competent, cool, well-informed functionary with an agreeable manner, a discerning smile and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.

Nor is this impression merely the dazzle of power. He exerted it on his companions at every stage in his struggle, even when his fortunes were in the lowest depths. . .

One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated I should hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations." - Winston Churchill, 'Step by Step', p.143

GEORGE BERNARD SHAW:

"It was evident that Germany needed only a resolute and clear-headed leader to denounce the Treaty; declare her determination to assert her full equality with the Powers, and refuse to be disarmed, plundered and chastised under the pretext of reparations and 'war guilt', to rally to him every living soul whose native language was German, and at the same time take a great step towards peace in Europe by proving that neither France nor England nor the United States dare outrage humanity by attempting military occupation of her territory on the model of the old partitions of Poland; in short, that instead of Europe being plunged into war she would be dragged back from the brink of it by Germany.

Herr Hitler seized the hour and said the word, and France and England immediately climbed down, preserving their dignity by lecturing the Chancellor solemnly on his naughty behaviour as they descended.

Mr. Vernon Bartlett was soundly berated by the Foreign Office for imploring all lovers of peace to believe in the perfect sincerity of Herr Hitler's assurance that a free Germany would be a peaceful Germany, but 95% of the listeners who wrote to him wanted to have him appointed Foreign Secretary. When I said that Herr Hitler's action was right and inevitable, the storm of abuse that was about to bust on me was suddenly checked by Mr. Lloyd George saying exactly the same thing.

Europe breathed again. The beginnings of a British popularity set in for Herr Hitler as they had set in years before for Signor Mussolini, in spite of all the liberal protests, and it only remains to watch the results of the forthcoming general election in Germany, in which it is inconceivable that a single vote should be cast against him, even by the angriest German Jew or German Communist." - George Bernard Shaw. Playwright. 'The Observer' November, 5th, 1933

SIR ARNOLD WILSON, M.P.:

"Health statistics in Germany are satisfactory. Infant mortality has been greatly reduced and is considerably inferior to that in Great Britain. Tuberculosis and other diseases have noticeably diminished. The criminal courts have never had so little to do and the prisons have never had so few occupants. It is a pleasure to observe the physical aptitude of the German youth. Even the poorest persons are better clothed than was formerly the case, and their cheerful faces testify to their psychological improvement that has been wrought within them. Economic conditions in Germany, abstraction made of the influence exerted by rearmament, are steadily progressing. Unemployment has greatly decreased."

G.E.O. KNIGHT:

"Altogether, Herr Hitler has worked miracles for the new Germany. I anticipate that in a very short time, the Chancellor will have shown the world more than it ever bargained for in its wildest efforts to crush the new regime." - G.E.O. Knight, In Defence of Germany

JACQUES BAINVILLE, l'Action Francais:

"Is Hitler policy the result of his own unaided efforts? Or is it influenced by his counsellors? At bottom, this is more or less indifferent; then he who is capable of following sound advice is just as clever as he who gives such advice.

Hitler is undoubtedly lucky. Hitherto he has succeeded in everything, since even in his most impulsive moments he is a prudent calculator, and he shapes his foreign policy with the same bold imagination as he shaped the policy which was foreordained to make him the master of Germany's destinies.

Thus he is always ahead of other governments, who are invariably a day or an idea - let us hope not an army - behindhand. When our ministers were asked if they were prepared to negotiate with the Head of the German Government they replied evasively that they were certainly ready to do so, but only in full agreement with our allies. At that very time Hitler had already concluded his non-aggression pact with Poland.

Poland's leading newspaper writes; 'Hitler is the first German statesman who has found the right language at the right time. Hitler has always stressed that any treaty signed by him is worth fare more than the Treaty of Locarno. For Stressseman represented political parties which no longer existed, whereas Hitler enjoys the confidence of the whole of Germany expressed by the votes of over forty million electors.' "

AMERICAN MANIFEST DESTINY:

"These financial and industrial wonders had been performed without foreign loans. Of these miracles, Churchill gave this tribute: "Whatever else may be thought about these exploits they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world." - American Manifest Destiny, Conrad Grieb. Examiner Books. N.Y.

DOUGLAS REED:

"Germans in their country are not less well cared for than the English people in theirs, but better. You are faced with a country immensely strong in arms and immensely strong in real wealth - not in gold bars in a vault of the national bank, but industry, agriculture, the thrift and energy of the work people, and the conditions of life they enjoy.

In German now they have a mighty organisation, equipped with full powers, for improving the lot of the work people in factories and workshops. Their engineers and social workers and artists go into the factories and see what needs to be done. They say that a shower room, recreation room, a restaurant, a medical clinic, a dental clinic is needed and these ere provided. They have a civic sense, a social conscience, a feeling of the community of German mankind - in spite of the bestial concentration camps - which you lack."

AND OF THOSE 'CONCENTRATION CAMPS' ANOTHER ENGLISHMAN REVEALS ALL:

"In August, 1933 there were seven thousand 'political prisoners' (Britain's prison population is in excess of 50,000) in Germany of which about 700 are Communists. Most were convicted of political crimes as we define them, but rather of anti-social behaviour and crime.

The discipline in the camp was of the robust kind. Every man had some kind of work to do, but this was not always enforced. The camp rose at 6.00am and all lights were out at 9.00pm. The meals consisted of breakfast, dinner, supper with meat served daily except on Fridays. There was a dispensary attached to the camp and a German doctor was in charge. Severe cases of illness were sent to the local hospital.

Various trades were carried on inside the camp such as carpentry, tailoring and shoemaking. Part of the camp was set off for bathing. Shower baths and facilities for sunbathing were shown to me. There was also a splendid sports ground.

The sleeping compartments consisted of wooden beds and straw mattresses, with three blankets for each prisoner. The working hours were from 7.00am to 11.30am and from 1.00pm to 6.00pm. A library was in the course of being introduced.

Visitors were allowed once a week, and were received in the dining room which accommodated some 300 people. There were apartments set apart for music and dramatic performances. In addition to receiving free board and lodging, each prisoner was drawing 10DM to 12DM per week, which represented his unemployment allowance pay.

Instruction in ethics, religion, the new form of government in Germany, history, languages, was given daily to those who desired to attend. There was little or no crime among the men in the camp. Good order prevailed among all classes. The guards ate the same food as the prisoners, and were subject to the same disciplines as the internees, although they were government officials. One of the guards was a prince of the House of Hesse.

Letters and parcels were subject to censorship. In not one case out of many thousands received had it been found necessary to destroy any parcel or letter forwarded. Newspapers were permitted and smoking allowed. When a prisoner desired to light his pipe or cigarette, he had to go to a guard detailed off to supply lights for the prisoners, as no matches were permitted prisoners.

Services were held every Sunday and the majority of the opportunity. No objection was raised by the authorities to my taking photographs of both camps and internees.

The men looked in splendid physical condition. Having heard so may dreadful stories of brutal treatment being meted out to Communists in this particular camp, I asked some of the men to confide in me and tell me the truth of those allegations. Not a few laughed at 'the bloody capitalist liars in your country.' I took fifteen men at random and asked them to strip in my presence. I wanted to see if they bore any marks of violence on their persons. I saw nothing indicative of bad treatment." - G.E.O. Knight, In Defence of Germany, (who was allowed complete freedom of movement in all camps)

THE MORAL MAJORITY:

"I think that it must be admitted that National Socialism has done a great deal for Germany. It has undoubtedly cleaned up Germany in the ordinary moral sense of the word. The defeatism, the corruption so manifest a characteristic in the days after the war has disappeared, at any rate from public view. It has given discipline and order and a sense of purpose to the great majority of young people who in earlier days did not know where to go or what they were living for." - His Lordship, the Marquess of Lothian, British Ambassador to Washington, June 29th, 1937

"The spectacle of Germany today is a tremendous experience. Fifteen years after the war in which the allied powers thought they had destroyed her, Germany is on her feet again. As compared with 1922 and 1931, when I last saw Germany, the change is miraculous. The people are confident, enthusiastic and courageous. They have recovered their morale. In 1931 the German people were going to pieces. But now they are themselves again, no doubt about that! The masses of the people are increasingly with Hitler. I have been fooling myself all along that this was not so, but now I know it is so." - John H. Holmes, Pastor. Community Church. N.Y Times, July 12th, 1935

"Last May, I returned, bringing my family for another sojourn, after two years spent in other European countries. I found a Germany which has advanced miraculously from the point of 1933. I found political solidarity, a wholesome tone in the life of city dweller and country dweller alike. I found living costs materially reduced and an unmistakable optimism on every hand. In every quarter I found the same answer to my questioning: Profound belief in the genius of the Leader, love and admiration for him as an individual. My observations have covered a wide range of social classification. I have talked with the humblest type of labourers, with merchants, professional men. I have yet to discover a dissenting voice to the question of loyalty to the Fuehrer. My two young daughters are attending German public schools and are receiving an education which in thoroughness could be equalled in few countries." - John L. Garvin. The Observer


SIR HARTLEY SHAWCROSS:


"Step by step I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal.

At the Nuremberg Trials, I, together with my Russian colleague, condemned Nazi aggression and terror.

I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of balance of power, and we were encouraged by the 'Americans' around Roosevelt.

We ignore Hitler's pleadings not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realise that Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany; instead, since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet Union. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused Hitler of, are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different label." - British Attorney General, Sir Hartley Shawcross, Stourbridge, March 16th, 1984 (AP)

anoninnyc
23-07-2007, 12:46 AM
Yes, I have been arguing those points for a long time and know that the NWO is a communist system kind of thing.

When I was at university I could not believe the stupidity of these Marxists. I'd hang them up in front of a crowd of friends every time they preached to me at the student union. They were brainwashed far more than any cult member of some pseudo-religion. They all wore those national health black rimmed glasses, like a trademark they were. I had never come across so much bullshit in my entire life than the Manchester University Marxist societies. Second only to the woman's rights groups that they also ran there.

Yes the nwo is aiming towards communism in certain ways. like in the usa, the new michael moore movie Sicko, is riling people up and may just help lead to nationalized healthcare, a very socialist concept. while in theory it would be nice, i suspect it is just another means to tighten control over one important aspect of americans lives.

as for the women's rights groups being bs. well, i believe that gloria steinham even admits to being funded by the cia. if the women are in the workforce the children don't have a parent staying home to raise the child, as most men are not willing to do this. the end goal is for the state to be the parent. once again about control.

so i guess i don't think it is about communism per se, but the easiest means to gain total control. and communism seems like a quick route for that.

armoured saint
23-07-2007, 05:07 AM
Your obsession with race is constantly amusing synergy. I'd laugh if I knew you weren't being serious. But if you are serious, 'black' doesn't necesarily mean dark skinned human. Montenegro means 'black mountain'. The area has been named so since around 11th century AD perhaps. It's landscape has dark forests, thus labelled 'black'.

synergy777
23-07-2007, 01:45 PM
i was just pointing out the term negro, it actually means black object in latin etc. as for obessed with race, no, obessed with destroying the myths about race, lol its all about one creator, one race, one love, its thats simple if one can transcend cultural prejudices etc, elite indoctrination.

synergy777
23-07-2007, 01:48 PM
LLOYD GEORGE:

Upon his return following a visit to Hitler, his daughter greeted Lloyd George, humorously with a "Heil Hitler!"

"Yes, Heil Hitler. I too, say that because he is truly a great man. I have never met a happier people than the Germans and Hitler is one of the greatest men among the distinctly great men that I have ever encountered."


STALIN:

"He (Stalin) did not share the view of the President that Hitler was unbalanced and emphasised that only a very able man could accomplish what Hitler had done in solidifying the German people whatever we thought of the methods."

VISCOUNT ROTHERMERE:

"In England, many people imagine Hitler as a cannibal; but I would like to say how I have found him. He conveys good comradeship. He is unpretentious, naturally and apparently sincere. It is not true that he speaks to individuals as though he were speaking to an assembly.

He has a supreme intellect. I have known only two other men to whom I could apply such distinction - Lord Northcliffe and Lloyd George. If one puts a question to Hitler, he gives an immediate, brilliant clear answer. There is no human being living whose promise on important matters I would trust more readily. He believes that Germany has a divine calling and that the German people are destined to save Europe from the revolutionary attacks of Communism. He values family life very highly, whereas Communism is its worst enemy. He has thoroughly cleansed the moral, ethical life of Germany, forbidden publication of obscene books, and performance of questionable plays and films.

I spoke with Hitler about one and a half years ago when he said, 'certain English circles speak of me as an adventurer. My reply to that is that adventurers have built the British Empire.

No words can describe his politeness; he disarms men as well as women and can win both at any time with his conciliatory, pleasant smile. He is a man of rare culture. His knowledge of music, the arts and architecture is profound.

Many evidently find it difficult to imagine a cultivated man in accord with a man of determined action. . .

If a vote of general opinion was taken on who was the greatest politician that British history ever produced, the name of Cromwell would very likely head the list. But Cromwell was a man of the greatest determination, and used methods of reckless inconsideration." (Viscount Rothermere, 'Warnings and Predictions', p.180 - 183)

"Hitler's political aim and policy is directed towards attaining his goal without loss of blood. He succeeded in ascending to the highest power-position in Germany with very little spilling of blood or loss of human life in a land of 68 million inhabitants. Austria was annexed without one shot being fired. The unrest in Palestine cost more lives during the past five years than that in Germany and Austria since the inception and the establishment of the Hitler regime." (Daily Mail, 20th, May, 1938)

HANS GRIMM:

"I witness with awe and admiration, that he, as nearly the first in the world, caused multitudes without force or any personal benefits to follow him of their own free will and volition."

Describing in 1945 the conditions that gave rise to National Socialism: "An unyielding predilection for an ethnic community towards national integrity, coupled with a passionate eagerness for Anglo-German co-operation. There was a general anxiety for reform in a changing world; this mass movement recognised new values - both spiritual and physical, as was demonstrated by basing the currency upon production instead of upon gold. Furthermore, the claim that quality must be protected against quantity was also upheld and the whole of this great experiment set out to prove that the spirit of Versailles must be abolished for everybody's benefit."

"Between 1933 and 1939 more was done for public health, for the mother and child, as well as for the promotion of social welfare than before and, perhaps we might admit, than ever before."

Former Prime Minister, Lloyd George
Faith and fulfilment: Our Führer is coming!

"I have now seen the famous German leader and also something of the great change he has effected. "Whatever one may think of his methods - and they are certainly not those of a parliamentary country, there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvelous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook.

He rightly claimed at Nuremberg that in four years his movement had made a new Germany.

It is not the Germany of the first decade that followed the war - broken, dejected and bowed down with a sense of apprehension and impotence. It is now full of hope and confidence, and of a renewed sense of determination to lead its own life without interference from any influence outside its own frontiers.

There is for the first time since the war a general sense of security. The people are more cheerful. There is a greater sense of general gaiety of spirit throughout the land. It is a happier Germany. I saw it everywhere, and Englishmen I met during my trip and who knew Germany well were very impressed with the change.

One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic and dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, as resolute will and a dauntless heart.

He is not merely in name but in fact the national Leader. He has made them safe against potential enemies by whom they were surrounded. He is also securing them against the constant dread of starvation which is one of the most poignant memories of the last years of the War and the first years of the Peace. Over 700,000 died of sheer hunger in those dark years. You can still see the effect in the physique of those who were born into that bleak world.

The fact that Hitler has rescued his country from the fear of repetition of that period of despair, penury and humiliation has given him an unchallenged authority in modern Germany.

As to his popularity, especially among the youth of Germany, there can be no manner of doubt. The old trust him; the young idolise him. It is not the admiration accorded to a popular leader. It is the worship of a national hero who has saved his country from utter despondence and degradation.

To those who have actually seen and sensed the way Hitler reigns over the heart and mind of Germany, this description may appear extravagant. All the same it is the bare truth. This great people will work better, sacrifice more, and, if necessary, fight with greater resolution because Hitler asks the to do so. Those who do not comprehend this central fact cannot judge the present possibilities of modern Germany.

That impression more than anything I witnessed during my short visit to the new Germany. There was a revivalist atmosphere. It had an extraordinary effect in unifying the nation.

Catholic and Protestant, Prussian and Bavarian, employer and workman, rich and poor, have been consolidated into one people. Religious, provincial and class origins no longer divide the nation. There is a passion for unity born of dire necessity.

The divisions, which followed the collapse of 1918, made Germany impotent to face the problems, internal and external. That is why the clash of rival passions is not only deprecated but temporarily suppressed.

I found everywhere a fierce and uncompromising hostility to Russian Bolshevism, coupled with a genuine admiration for the British people with a profound desire for a better and friendlier understanding of them. The Germans have definitely made up their minds never to quarrel with us again, nor have they any vindictive feelings towards the French. They have altogether put out of their minds any desire for the restoration of Alsace-Lorraine.

But there is a real hatred and fear of Russian Bolshevism, and unfortunately it is growing in intensity. It constitutes the driving force of their international and military policy. Their private and public talk is full of it. Wherever you go you need not wait long before you hear the word 'Bolshevismus', and it recurs again and again with a wearying reiteration.

Their eyes are concentrated on the East as if they are watching intently for the breaking of the day of wrath. Against it they are preparing with German thoroughness.

This fear is not put on. High and low they are convinced there is every reason for apprehension. They have a dread of the great army, that has been built up in Russia in recent years.

An exceptionally violent anti-German campaign of abuse printed in the Russian official Press and propelled by the official Moscow radio has revived the suspicion in Germany that the Soviet Government are contemplating mischief." - David Lloyd George, Daily Express, 17.9.1936

WINSTON CHURCHILL:

"In fifteen years that have followed this resolve, he has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very great extent, reversed the results of the Great War. . . the vanquished are in the process of becoming the victors and the victors the vanquished. . . whatever else might be thought about these exploits they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world." - Winston Churchill, 1935

". . . and the achievement by which the tables have been turned upon the complacent, feckless and purblind victors deserves to be reckoned a prodigy in the history of the world and a prodigy which is inseparable from the personal exertions of life thrust on a single man. . .

Those who have met Hitler face to face in public, business, or on social terms, have found a highly competent, cool, well-informed functionary with an agreeable manner, a discerning smile and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.

Nor is this impression merely the dazzle of power. He exerted it on his companions at every stage in his struggle, even when his fortunes were in the lowest depths. . .

One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated I should hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations." - Winston Churchill, 'Step by Step', p.143

GEORGE BERNARD SHAW:

"It was evident that Germany needed only a resolute and clear-headed leader to denounce the Treaty; declare her determination to assert her full equality with the Powers, and refuse to be disarmed, plundered and chastised under the pretext of reparations and 'war guilt', to rally to him every living soul whose native language was German, and at the same time take a great step towards peace in Europe by proving that neither France nor England nor the United States dare outrage humanity by attempting military occupation of her territory on the model of the old partitions of Poland; in short, that instead of Europe being plunged into war she would be dragged back from the brink of it by Germany.

Herr Hitler seized the hour and said the word, and France and England immediately climbed down, preserving their dignity by lecturing the Chancellor solemnly on his naughty behaviour as they descended.

Mr. Vernon Bartlett was soundly berated by the Foreign Office for imploring all lovers of peace to believe in the perfect sincerity of Herr Hitler's assurance that a free Germany would be a peaceful Germany, but 95% of the listeners who wrote to him wanted to have him appointed Foreign Secretary. When I said that Herr Hitler's action was right and inevitable, the storm of abuse that was about to bust on me was suddenly checked by Mr. Lloyd George saying exactly the same thing.

Europe breathed again. The beginnings of a British popularity set in for Herr Hitler as they had set in years before for Signor Mussolini, in spite of all the liberal protests, and it only remains to watch the results of the forthcoming general election in Germany, in which it is inconceivable that a single vote should be cast against him, even by the angriest German Jew or German Communist." - George Bernard Shaw. Playwright. 'The Observer' November, 5th, 1933

SIR ARNOLD WILSON, M.P.:

"Health statistics in Germany are satisfactory. Infant mortality has been greatly reduced and is considerably inferior to that in Great Britain. Tuberculosis and other diseases have noticeably diminished. The criminal courts have never had so little to do and the prisons have never had so few occupants. It is a pleasure to observe the physical aptitude of the German youth. Even the poorest persons are better clothed than was formerly the case, and their cheerful faces testify to their psychological improvement that has been wrought within them. Economic conditions in Germany, abstraction made of the influence exerted by rearmament, are steadily progressing. Unemployment has greatly decreased."

G.E.O. KNIGHT:

"Altogether, Herr Hitler has worked miracles for the new Germany. I anticipate that in a very short time, the Chancellor will have shown the world more than it ever bargained for in its wildest efforts to crush the new regime." - G.E.O. Knight, In Defence of Germany

JACQUES BAINVILLE, l'Action Francais:

"Is Hitler policy the result of his own unaided efforts? Or is it influenced by his counsellors? At bottom, this is more or less indifferent; then he who is capable of following sound advice is just as clever as he who gives such advice.

Hitler is undoubtedly lucky. Hitherto he has succeeded in everything, since even in his most impulsive moments he is a prudent calculator, and he shapes his foreign policy with the same bold imagination as he shaped the policy which was foreordained to make him the master of Germany's destinies.

Thus he is always ahead of other governments, who are invariably a day or an idea - let us hope not an army - behindhand. When our ministers were asked if they were prepared to negotiate with the Head of the German Government they replied evasively that they were certainly ready to do so, but only in full agreement with our allies. At that very time Hitler had already concluded his non-aggression pact with Poland.

Poland's leading newspaper writes; 'Hitler is the first German statesman who has found the right language at the right time. Hitler has always stressed that any treaty signed by him is worth fare more than the Treaty of Locarno. For Stressseman represented political parties which no longer existed, whereas Hitler enjoys the confidence of the whole of Germany expressed by the votes of over forty million electors.' "

AMERICAN MANIFEST DESTINY:

"These financial and industrial wonders had been performed without foreign loans. Of these miracles, Churchill gave this tribute: "Whatever else may be thought about these exploits they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world." - American Manifest Destiny, Conrad Grieb. Examiner Books. N.Y.

DOUGLAS REED:

"Germans in their country are not less well cared for than the English people in theirs, but better. You are faced with a country immensely strong in arms and immensely strong in real wealth - not in gold bars in a vault of the national bank, but industry, agriculture, the thrift and energy of the work people, and the conditions of life they enjoy.

In German now they have a mighty organisation, equipped with full powers, for improving the lot of the work people in factories and workshops. Their engineers and social workers and artists go into the factories and see what needs to be done. They say that a shower room, recreation room, a restaurant, a medical clinic, a dental clinic is needed and these ere provided. They have a civic sense, a social conscience, a feeling of the community of German mankind - in spite of the bestial concentration camps - which you lack."

AND OF THOSE 'CONCENTRATION CAMPS' ANOTHER ENGLISHMAN REVEALS ALL:

"In August, 1933 there were seven thousand 'political prisoners' (Britain's prison population is in excess of 50,000) in Germany of which about 700 are Communists. Most were convicted of political crimes as we define them, but rather of anti-social behaviour and crime.

The discipline in the camp was of the robust kind. Every man had some kind of work to do, but this was not always enforced. The camp rose at 6.00am and all lights were out at 9.00pm. The meals consisted of breakfast, dinner, supper with meat served daily except on Fridays. There was a dispensary attached to the camp and a German doctor was in charge. Severe cases of illness were sent to the local hospital.

Various trades were carried on inside the camp such as carpentry, tailoring and shoemaking. Part of the camp was set off for bathing. Shower baths and facilities for sunbathing were shown to me. There was also a splendid sports ground.

The sleeping compartments consisted of wooden beds and straw mattresses, with three blankets for each prisoner. The working hours were from 7.00am to 11.30am and from 1.00pm to 6.00pm. A library was in the course of being introduced.

Visitors were allowed once a week, and were received in the dining room which accommodated some 300 people. There were apartments set apart for music and dramatic performances. In addition to receiving free board and lodging, each prisoner was drawing 10DM to 12DM per week, which represented his unemployment allowance pay.

Instruction in ethics, religion, the new form of government in Germany, history, languages, was given daily to those who desired to attend. There was little or no crime among the men in the camp. Good order prevailed among all classes. The guards ate the same food as the prisoners, and were subject to the same disciplines as the internees, although they were government officials. One of the guards was a prince of the House of Hesse.

Letters and parcels were subject to censorship. In not one case out of many thousands received had it been found necessary to destroy any parcel or letter forwarded. Newspapers were permitted and smoking allowed. When a prisoner desired to light his pipe or cigarette, he had to go to a guard detailed off to supply lights for the prisoners, as no matches were permitted prisoners.

Services were held every Sunday and the majority of the opportunity. No objection was raised by the authorities to my taking photographs of both camps and internees.

The men looked in splendid physical condition. Having heard so may dreadful stories of brutal treatment being meted out to Communists in this particular camp, I asked some of the men to confide in me and tell me the truth of those allegations. Not a few laughed at 'the bloody capitalist liars in your country.' I took fifteen men at random and asked them to strip in my presence. I wanted to see if they bore any marks of violence on their persons. I saw nothing indicative of bad treatment." - G.E.O. Knight, In Defence of Germany, (who was allowed complete freedom of movement in all camps)

THE MORAL MAJORITY:

"I think that it must be admitted that National Socialism has done a great deal for Germany. It has undoubtedly cleaned up Germany in the ordinary moral sense of the word. The defeatism, the corruption so manifest a characteristic in the days after the war has disappeared, at any rate from public view. It has given discipline and order and a sense of purpose to the great majority of young people who in earlier days did not know where to go or what they were living for." - His Lordship, the Marquess of Lothian, British Ambassador to Washington, June 29th, 1937

"The spectacle of Germany today is a tremendous experience. Fifteen years after the war in which the allied powers thought they had destroyed her, Germany is on her feet again. As compared with 1922 and 1931, when I last saw Germany, the change is miraculous. The people are confident, enthusiastic and courageous. They have recovered their morale. In 1931 the German people were going to pieces. But now they are themselves again, no doubt about that! The masses of the people are increasingly with Hitler. I have been fooling myself all along that this was not so, but now I know it is so." - John H. Holmes, Pastor. Community Church. N.Y Times, July 12th, 1935

"Last May, I returned, bringing my family for another sojourn, after two years spent in other European countries. I found a Germany which has advanced miraculously from the point of 1933. I found political solidarity, a wholesome tone in the life of city dweller and country dweller alike. I found living costs materially reduced and an unmistakable optimism on every hand. In every quarter I found the same answer to my questioning: Profound belief in the genius of the Leader, love and admiration for him as an individual. My observations have covered a wide range of social classification. I have talked with the humblest type of labourers, with merchants, professional men. I have yet to discover a dissenting voice to the question of loyalty to the Fuehrer. My two young daughters are attending German public schools and are receiving an education which in thoroughness could be equalled in few countries." - John L. Garvin. The Observer


SIR HARTLEY SHAWCROSS:


"Step by step I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal.

At the Nuremberg Trials, I, together with my Russian colleague, condemned Nazi aggression and terror.

I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of balance of power, and we were encouraged by the 'Americans' around Roosevelt.

We ignore Hitler's pleadings not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realise that Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany; instead, since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet Union. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused Hitler of, are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different label." - British Attorney General, Sir Hartley Shawcross, Stourbridge, March 16th, 1984 (AP)

great info peachped, any links. it shows the true feelings the opponents of hitler had, very different to the "hollywood" version they give us as truth. edward VII had total admiration for hitler, its a joke.

oneofmany
23-07-2007, 01:53 PM
has anyone thought about the Germans sticking with Hitler because he came good on his promise for Guns and Butter?

peachped
24-07-2007, 02:12 AM
Apologies synergy, here are the links:

http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/history/whowasah.htm

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/witness1.htm

Btw i have no staunch oppinion on AH, i don't know if he was illuminati, a jew, a gay or wether only had one bollock, this is information i've found on the www to share.

anoninnyc
24-07-2007, 04:45 PM
i was just pointing out the term negro, it actually means black object in latin etc. as for obessed with race, no, obessed with destroying the myths about race, lol its all about one creator, one race, one love, its thats simple if one can transcend cultural prejudices etc, elite indoctrination.

to divide and conquer is one of the most powerful tools of the illuminati/nwo......

if you keep the non-elites bickering with each other and blaming each other, they will be too busy to figure out who the real bad guys are.

synergy777
25-07-2007, 03:56 PM
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2007/250707Words.htm
New World Order In Their Own Words

You Tube
Wednesday July 25, 2007

In this clip from Alex's prison planet.tv video report, Alex reads quotes from Bertrand Russell, who advocated eugenics via vaccinations and selective breeding in order to create a second class slave population to serve the elite.

kooo
25-07-2007, 04:22 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007340308,00.html

SUSPECTED terrorists could be held without charge for at least 56 days under plans to be unveiled by Gordon Brown today.

The Prime Minister wants to at least DOUBLE the existing 28-day limit.

In addition, ID cards will come in — and all foreigners in Britain for longer than six months will have their biometric details recorded.

Last night Mr Brown urged Tory leader David Cameron to help push the tough measures through the Commons — for the safety of the country.

The Premier refused to put a figure on a new time limit for detention without charge — insisting MPs must be told first. But police sources believe he is aiming for at least 56 days as a start.

Mr Brown told The Sun in his first interview: “I would urge David Cameron to put party politics aside and look at the national interest. We are in a new world. It was The Sun who made it absolutely clear after 9/11 we are facing an al-Qaeda who are trying to cause carnage. We will agree to protect the public’s civil liberties.

“We have to show we are resolute and strong and steadfast in tackling what they are determined to do.”

The PM’s first hours in office last month were hit by terror strikes in London and Glasgow. He has been told by security chiefs they MUST have longer to probe cases as they trawl through acres of computer records and phone calls and while investigations span continents.

Mr Brown will insist a judge can oversee every suspect’s case every seven days to protect the innocent.

And his guarantee that civil liberties will be protected represents an olive branch to the Conservatives. The PM needs their support to push his proposed clampdown through the House. He is planning to set up a new border police force to boost security at ports and airports.

The PM will also pledge today to set up the first register of foreigners in the UK. All those remaining in the UK for half a year will have to have their fingerprints taken.

Readings from their iris will also be added to their biometric details.

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Doesn't waste any time does he. Biometric ID cards are my worst nightmare.

anoninnyc
25-07-2007, 04:34 PM
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2007/250707Words.htm
New World Order In Their Own Words

You Tube
Wednesday July 25, 2007

In this clip from Alex's prison planet.tv video report, Alex reads quotes from Bertrand Russell, who advocated eugenics via vaccinations and selective breeding in order to create a second class slave population to serve the elite.

wow, that is some crazy stuff. makes me so nervous, as i am pregnant and will soon have a baby who they will try to inject with all sorts of rubbish.

pedsi
25-07-2007, 04:38 PM
Hitler Is A Dj:d

synergy777
25-07-2007, 04:53 PM
congratulations sis, all the best. try to research the vaccines. also try to give the kid as much natural food as you can eg organic baby food etc.also make sure you are getting all the vitamins/minerals take supplements, and take it easy. all the best.

bertrand russel was only expressing nwo policy, its all in brave new world/1984. what do you think processed food, additives are doing? also contraception like the pill, people should use condoms not pills. i know girls that took the pill and then found it harder to conceive later on. they had to have ivf. condoms give safety from std's aswell, which the pill doesn't. this is why the cervical cancer vaccine they are proposing for young girls is ill and wrong. first girls at that age shouldn't be getting jiggy, two, its will mess their fertility when they are adults. all it will do is encourage underage sex and give fertility problems, diseases later. add to this the less nutrients in foods due to overproduction, soil quality depletion, added environmental pollutants etc, its a full on assault, children of men. add in the future environmental changes eg uv/folic acid, they know exactly what they are doing, by marketing it as an easy, convienent lifestyle choice, with the benefits of an easier sex life, it sells.no such thing a free lunch. you only have to look at the birthrates/demographics of developed countries ie processed food eaters, to realise whats going on.

the easy thing to remember is that the policies of the nwo fall into 2 catergories.

orwellian: this is control by fear

huxleyian: this is control by pleasure

synergy777
27-07-2007, 02:37 PM
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6919

How Truth Slips Down the Memory Hole by John Pilger – ANTIWAR.com July 26, 2007

One of the leaders of demonstrations in Gaza calling for the release of the BBC reporter Alan Johnston was a Palestinian news cameraman, Imad Ghanem. On 5 July, he was shot by Israeli soldiers as he filmed them invading Gaza. A Reuters video shows bullets hitting his body as he lay on the ground. An ambulance trying to reach him was also attacked. The Israelis described him as a "legitimate target." The International Federation of Journalists called the shooting "a vicious and brutal example of deliberate targeting of a journalist." At the age of 21, he has had both legs amputated.

Dr. David Halpin, a British trauma surgeon who works with Palestinian children, emailed the BBC's Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen. "The BBC should report the alleged details about the shooting," he wrote. "It should honor Alan [Johnston] as a journalist by reporting the facts, uncomfortable as they might be to Israel."

He received no reply.

The atrocity was reported in two sentences on the BBC online. Along with 11 Palestinian civilians killed by the Israelis on the same day, Alan Johnston's now legless champion slipped into what George Orwell in Nineteen Eighty-Four called the memory hole. (It was Winston Smith's job at the Ministry of Truth to make disappear all facts embarrassing to Big Brother.)

While Alan Johnston was being held, I was asked by the BBC World Service if I would say a few words of support for him. I readily agreed, and suggested I also mention the thousands of Palestinians abducted and held hostage. The answer was a polite no; and all the other hostages remained in the memory hole. Or, as Harold Pinter wrote of such unmentionables: "It never happened. Nothing ever happened... It didn't matter. It was of no interest."

The media wailing over the BBC's royal photo-shoot fiasco and assorted misdemeanors provide the perfect straw man. They complement a self-serving BBC internal inquiry into news bias, which dutifully supplied the right-wing Daily Mail with hoary grist that the corporation is a left-wing plot. Such shenanigans would be funny were it not for the true story behind the facade of elite propaganda that presents humanity as useful or expendable, worthy or unworthy, and the Middle East as the Anglo-American crime that never happened, didn't matter, was of no interest.

The other day, I turned on the BBC's Radio 4 and heard a cut-glass voice announce a program about Iraqi interpreters working for "the British coalition forces" and warning that "listeners might find certain descriptions of violence disturbing." Not a word referred to those of "us" directly and ultimately responsible for the violence. The program was called Face the Facts. Is satire that dead? Not yet. The Murdoch columnist David Aaronovitch, a warmonger, is to interview Blair in the BBC's "major retrospective" of the sociopath's rule.

Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four lexicon of opposites pervades almost everything we see, hear and read now. The invaders and destroyers are "the British coalition forces," surely as benign as that British institution, St. John Ambulance, who are "bringing democracy" to Iraq. BBC television describes Israel as having "two hostile Palestinian entities on its borders," neatly inverting the truth that Israel is actually inside Palestinian borders. A study by Glasgow University says that young British viewers of TV news believe Israelis illegally colonizing Palestinian land are Palestinians: the victims are the invaders.

"The great crimes against most of humanity," wrote the American cultural critic James Petras, "are justified by a corrosive debasement of language and thought... [that] have fabricated a linguistic world of terror, of demons and saviors, of axes of good and evil, of euphemisms" designed to disguise a state terror that is "a gross perversion" of democracy, liberation, reform, justice. In his reinauguration speech, George Bush mentioned all these words, whose meaning, for him, is the dictionary opposite.

It is 80 years since Edward Bernays, the father of public relations, predicted a pervasive "invisible government" of corporate spin, suppression and silence as the true ruling power in the United States. That is true today on both sides of the Atlantic. How else could America and Britain go on such a spree of death and mayhem on the basis of stupendous lies about nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, even a "mushroom cloud over New York"? When the BBC radio reporter Andrew Gilligan reported the truth, he was pilloried and sacked along with the BBC's director general, while Blair, the proven liar, was protected by the liberal wing of the media and given a standing ovation in parliament.

The same is happening again over Iran, distracted, it is hoped, by spin that the new Foreign Secretary David Miliband is a "skeptic" about the crime in Iraq when, in fact, he has been an accomplice, and by unctuous Kennedy-quoting Foreign Office propaganda about Miliband's "new world order."

"What do you think of Iran's complicity in attacks on British soldiers in Basra?" Miliband was asked by the Financial Times.

Miliband: "Well, I think that any evidence of Iranian engagement there is to be deplored. I think that we need regional players to be supporting stability, not fomenting discord, never mind death..."

FT: "Just to be clear, there is evidence?"

Miliband: "Well no, I chose my words carefully..."

The coming war on Iran, including the possibility of a nuclear attack, has already begun as a war by journalism. Count the number of times "nuclear weapons program" and "nuclear threat" are spoken and written, yet neither exists, says the International Atomic Energy Agency. On 21 June, the New York Times went further and advertised an "urgent" poll, headed: "Should we bomb Iran?" The questions beneath referred to Iran being "a greater threat than Saddam Hussein" and asked: "Who should undertake military action against Iran first... ?" The choice was "US. Israel. Neither country."

So tick your favorite bombers.

The last British war to be fought without censorship and "embedded" journalists was the Crimea a century and a half ago. The bloodbath of the First World War and the Cold War might never have happened without their unpaid (and paid) propagandists. Today's invisible government is no less served, especially by those who censor by omission.

However, there are major differences. Official disinformation now is often aimed at a critical public intelligence, a growing awareness in spite of the media. This "threat" from a public often held in contempt has been met by the insidious transfer of much of journalism to public relations. Some years ago, PR Week estimated that the amount of "PR-generated material" in the media is "50 per cent in a broadsheet newspaper in every section apart from sport. In the local press and the mid-market and tabloid nationals, the figure would undoubtedly be higher. Music and fashion journalists and PRs work hand in hand in the editorial process... PRs provide fodder, but the clever high-powered ones do a lot of the journalists' thinking for them."

This is known today as "perception management." The most powerful are not the Max Cliffords but huge corporations such as Hill & Knowlton, which "sold" the slaughter known as the first Gulf war, and the Sawyer Miller Group, which sold hated, pro-Washington regimes in Colombia and Bolivia and whose operatives included Mark Malloch Brown, the new Foreign Office minister, currently being spun as anti-Washington. Hundreds of millions of dollars go to corporations spinning the carnage in Iraq as a sectarian war and covering up the truth: that an atrocious invasion is pinned down by a successful resistance while the oil is looted.

The other major difference today is the abdication of cultural forces that once provided dissent outside journalism. Their silence has been devastating. "For almost the first time in two centuries," wrote the literary and cultural critic Terry Eagleton, "there is no eminent British poet, playwright or novelist prepared to question the foundations of the western way of life." The lone, honorable exception is Harold Pinter. Eagleton listed writers and playwrights who once promised dissent and satire and instead became rich celebrities, ending the legacy of Shelley and Blake, Carlyle and Ruskin, Morris and Wilde, Wells and Shaw.

He singled out Martin Amis, a writer given tombstones of column inches in which to air his pretensions, along with his attacks on Muslims. The following is from a recent article by Amis:

Tony strolled over [to me] and said, "What have you been up to today?" "I've been feeling protective of my prime minister, since you ask." For some reason our acquaintanceship, at least on my part, is becoming mildly but deplorably flirtatious.

What these elite, embedded voices share is their participation in an essentially class war, the long war of the rich against the poor. That they play their part in a broadcasting studio or in the clubbable pages of the review sections and that they think of themselves as liberals or conservatives is neither here nor there. They belong to the same crusade, waging the same battle for their enduring privilege.

In The Serpent, Marc Karlin's dreamlike film about Rupert Murdoch, the narrator describes how easily Murdochism came to dominate the media and coerce the industry's liberal elite. There are clips from a keynote address that Murdoch gave at the Edinburgh Television Festival. The camera pans across the audience of TV executives, who listen in respectful silence as Murdoch flagellates them for suppressing the true voice of the people. They then applaud him. "This is the silence of the democrats," says the voice-over, "and the Dark Prince could bathe in their silence.”

www.antiwar.com/pilger/?articleid=11349

make v for vendetta seem very real, rendition/detainees, media spin/btn etc.

ladybird
20-11-2010, 07:01 PM
baron communism is the desired state of the nwo, it takes away the right for individuals to own property and places all assets into the hands of the govt/elite. this is why the lefties who hark on about communism are either ignorant or fascist. the whole basis of liberty/democracy is the ability for man to own his own property. the elite wanted to destroy the economic might of germany, the will of its people. this is what they are doing to america now.

they detest strong democracies and love the russia/china models. i fell into this trap, until i looked at it properly. liberal democractic republics, with true free markets (no market manipulation, cartels, monopolies) reward for personal enterprise etc is the ideal state of affairs. these controlled markets are designed to consolidate wealth. in communism, the govt/elite own everything and the masses are merely serfs.

the jewish side is because basically jews are the best businessmen, and the nwo can use them. marx was jew, stalin, lenin were jews. the banks financed the trotskys, the overthrow of the czar. its not a jewish conspiracy, its just they were the chosen agent to usher in change, like zionists/wahabbis.

the plan was to build up germany after ww1, use hitler to usher in war, then collapse the german economy, and then create a political body to prevent individual superpowers from creating mass conflicts. this is the same ploy they are using america for. after ww2 came nato/united nations, after this war they hope to usher in world government.

the banks finance both sides, so are in a win/win situation

I tend to agree to most part of this very interesting comment.

Will have to read more before posting in greater detail.

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maxi
20-11-2010, 07:16 PM
great info peachped, any links. it shows the true feelings the opponents of hitler had, very different to the "hollywood" version they give us as truth. edward VII had total admiration for hitler, its a joke.

Totally - the British aristocracy wanted anything but a communist invasion. Imagine what that would do to their way of life?

The Brits were meant to join the war allied with Germany...Mussolini was supported by the black nobility and forced by Rome to support Hitler.

jay2k
20-11-2010, 07:38 PM
great article guilt tripping people is so lame

les_paul_robot
21-11-2010, 04:52 AM
Good OP.
Let's not let anyone turn away ever again!!!

♫ Pink Floyd - On The Turning Away [Lyrics] - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojf18wT_Xtk

dollanaqua
21-11-2010, 05:46 AM
The TRUE face of synergy777:



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5460&page=4

Also, on old David Icke forum synergy777 said that in India they have Kamasutra, so they f*ck like rabits, and one day they will overpower the White People by the numbers.

And on Illusions forum synergy777 said that "We have to kill as many whites as possible..."

And former MODERATOR of the OFFICIAL Icke forum supports him!

hmm.....

hadabusa
21-11-2010, 06:38 AM
first, communism surely isnt the nwo's desired goal.
per definition, communism has no govt.
and how would they privatize stuff in communism ?

if anything, the swaying between capitalism and communism is desired.
( build during communism , then privatize during capitalism ,once cow(we)is drained, let communism repair it, rinse repeat).

ex.jugo civil war broke out as shift from communism to capitalism.
thats what ppl think.
theres 2problems, tough.
yu wasnt stalinist, it was socialst-federal-republic.
the economy imploded overnight, not bc communism , but because of banks giving massive credits to everyone.thats a capitalism virtue,id say.
it was1big moneylaundering scheme, ppl hade 100k usd outta 10k credits given to them.lol.
every1 knew this economy "model" would crash, everyone.

everyone played, tough, and it ended, very badly.

ok, now on op.
i dislike the undertone troughout whole article.
its alot blabla, takes freislers verdict on reichstagfire for granted:rolleyes:

the enabling act was mere formality, after hindenburgs death, there was,uh,a bureaucratic coup.seriously, the writer of op is a huge idiot.

this articles purpose is to badmouth us govt while listing similiarities that arent relevant.

ffs, usa had constitution&allowed militias, gun ownership etc.
how can 1say usa was similiar to nazi regime?wtf?

i mean,i could compare lenin&hitler like that, sssr had kiddie ss&state indoctrination b4hitler.


im bit disapointed by ppl going "great article", in particular baron lostov.

december guy seemed smart, he seen right trough it.

just bc its nicely written, doesnt mean its correct.

its drawing ridicolous comparos.

pp "journalism".

ladybird
21-11-2010, 08:15 AM
@ hadabusa

In fact it does not matter what we call it, it will be bloody and suppressive like communism,
if the ptb succeed.

They sometimes even call themselves "democrats" and "civilised" and they work hand in hand
with outspoken communists/bolsheviks or whatever will help them increase their power and wealth.

Many interesting links on this topic in this thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143726

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