Get ready because nothing will happen in 2012.

[edelweiss pirate]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

[thirdwave]

I think the over all plan from the "illuminati" is that "nothing happens" on around 2012 ... or should we say "no one notices anything happen around 2012" so for me saying nothing will or is happening is another way of saying the illuminati is winning or won....

we can allready see the world is changing... its a case of what effect we have on that.

[lightbeing]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

For a long time now, had the feeling of something is going to happen, just like everyday is a step closer to a higher path.................. I might add, this was before I new of Davids work.

[synergy777]

the olympics with cool logo, lol photn belt, sunpsot cycles. well the sun spot cycle is true, hence gw. as for photon belt, i hope. as for ww3, i think we are in world wide war of ideology/resistence to one world government, and recent devlopments suggest an increase in military conflicts. economic correction/crash, food supplies, energy security, its looking very interesting.

[kooo]

the olympics with cool logo

If you look at the London Olympics logo you will see the word Zion.

[synergy777]

london will be the european capital of the nwo. it v for vendetta time, lol

[zaira]

Forgive me coming in here, but the truth is we have always had change. The world is constantly changing. The only difference here is our awareness and perception. We are becoming more and more awake and therefore more and more aware of those changes.

Even without us the world will go on changing. The difference is that we are now aware of it, and being aware of it means that we are now a part of it. We can have a say if we so choose. But it will take more than simply wanting to change the things we want to change.

[thoth]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

I have an idea about what might happen, but most of its speculation, but I have a pretty good feeling.

[cruise4]

Imagine nothing happens in 2012, 9/11 turns out to be Osama, Bliar is the best thing for the Middle east since Sliced Bread, Spraying aerosol saves us from Global Radiation and the NWO doesn't exist and Rothschild give all their money away to Charity... won't we look fools.

No, your right, its unimaginable!

[kooo]

I have an idea about what might happen, but most of its speculation, but I have a pretty good feeling.

Well come on, spill the beans??

[barbitone]

There is no time. You are not actually here. In truth.

But in illusion there is time and you are here. And here we are in illusion.......
From here, the nature of time and space does seem to be cyclic. Since our consciousness is one and the same, it means our consciousness moves through space\time in a cyclic way.

I think the date we call 2012 is simply the end\start of the next cycle of consciousness. With this comes all the usual symptoms......
Our collective consciousness is about to receive an upgrade whether we like it or not. Your choice then is to either ride the changing waves or battle against them.

When they speak of the end of time...time is only a perception. So I see it as the end of the perception of reality in the arrangement we currently give it. Which is all sun based.

Our consciousness is moving through itself. We measure the movement in our minds and call it "time". We measure the relative seperation of matter and call it "space". Our consciousness is about to move past a peak resonant area of our own consciousness. What we call the next dimension......

This change is as sure as the movements of the planets. The controllers think they are God and are attempting to negate it's effects on humanity.....

[ashyr]

i dont wanna come of being a arse here. but NOTHING is a pretty empty word

hey actually your right

NOTHING will happen probably means the end of the begining of the end?

i dont think it will be like the second it ticks over. BANG suprised yet?
itwill be like the bible states "like a theif in the night the gentle tide not returning" etc

[phoenix1]

If you look at the London Olympics logo you will see the word Zion.

Yep Koo... (brilliant to see ya here by the way!! :D ) yeah ZION is there for sure.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif

All the Love Koo

Phoenix:):)

[kooo]

Yep Koo... (brilliant to see ya here by the way!! :D ) yeah ZION is there for sure.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif

All the Love Koo

Phoenix:):)

Thanks for finding the logo, it's crap isn't it? I couldn't understand why the Olympics organizers insisted on keeping it after everyone slated it, then I heard about the Zion thing and it all makes sense.

I phoned you today, you wasn't in, I spoke to your mum, she said if you and your brother in law spend all her money she'll kick both your bot-bots back to Wrexham, hahaha:D

[edelweiss pirate]

The zion thing is genius... I knew there had to be some reason the logo was so shit but I couldn't find it.... well done koo, you must have a pair of them special 'they live' glasses...

[kooo]

The zion thing is genius... I knew there had to be some reason the logo was so shit but I couldn't find it.... well done koo, you must have a pair of them special 'they live' glasses...

Although I'd love to take the credit I can't :( I heard about it on the James Whale radio show, this was back when the logo was first introduced. Someone phoned in and said about the Zion thing, I assumed it was one of you lot haha.

[lookfar]

Although I'd love to take the credit I can't :( I heard about it on the James Whale radio show, this was back when the logo was first introduced. Someone phoned in and said about the Zion thing, I assumed it was one of you lot haha.

Hi kooo

Here's a thread started by Thunda on the logo from a while back, if you haven't seen it already...:)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4528

[kooo]

Hi kooo

Here's a thread started by Thunda on the logo from a while back, if you haven't seen it already...:)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4528

Thanks Lookfar :) I didn't know about that thread, I'll read it now.

[intuition]

You know what will happen in december 2012? All them conspiracy theorists selling crap like 'how to survive in 2012' will sit down and work out how much money they have made.

[phoenix1]

Thanks for finding the logo, it's crap isn't it? I couldn't understand why the Olympics organizers insisted on keeping it after everyone slated it, then I heard about the Zion thing and it all makes sense.

I phoned you today, you wasn't in, I spoke to your mum, she said if you and your brother in law spend all her money she'll kick both your bot-bots back to Wrexham, hahaha:D

Hi Koo no problem yep its a shit logo.. I wander what it looks like with the pieces slotted into place...or aranged differently..

Yeah I got the message you phoned (Ill call ya in a bit) Good thing she's KOOL the way I spent it or I may have got this
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2803/boxingkangarootn5.gif
Luckily she was not feeling
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5527/wwwmyemoticonscomangry2wn7.gif
Luckily we were both feeling
http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gifto the back garden lol.

And to you well ...all ive got to say is
http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_255.gifHAHAH!!
and
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3835/nanananayg5.gif

and not forgetting a
http://www.yourcoolprofile.com/Images/Hugs_And_Kisses/images/hugs-kisses--10.gif

from the
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5426/phoenix1lb4.gif

da de da lol
:D:D

[chattanova]

Yep Koo... (brilliant to see ya here by the way!! :D ) yeah ZION is there for sure.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif

All the Love Koo

Phoenix:):)

The logo looks like buildings collapsing to me..

[kooo]

THE OLYMPIC LOGO SPELLS ZION!! - CAN YOU SEE ZION??

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix3/pic105194.jpg

See it there!!! :cool:

[winniewillcocks]

I didn't know which one of you to Quote so all hear this:

Look at the news, fuck 2012, Russia and us(UK) are close to it now!!!

Wake up kids, its easy to say 2012 because its years away!!!

[carlg1212]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.


The Mayans were master mathematicians. On December 21, 2012, the Earth will be reborn, probably due to another Great Flood, or hit by asteroids that the Mayans mapped out, or whatever.

Also, a lot of shite happened in Y2K. You should read the book "Zero" by Charles Seife.

[phoebe]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

Excuse if I repeat something already posted, but I haven't read the entire thread, just the OP.

The Mayan Calendar doesn't measure TIME.
It measures the EVOLUTION of CONSCIOUSNESS.
And it's 'end time date' of 2012 doesn't imply the end of the world.
It signifies the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT.
The end of illusory time
The beginning of a new cycle...

Do your research before posting such rubbish ;)

[lifeofbrian]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

Oh, if only you knew.

[21_12_2012]

I LOVE YOU

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

hahahaaaa...get real....

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/link.htm
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4780

THANK YOU

[kasalt]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the Mayan date of 2012 did turn out to be significant. Coming from an evangelical-pentecostal background myself, the return of Jesus Christ was always just around the corner according to them, and they were always wrong about that. Remember author Hal Lindsey? I remember seeing one of his books on the shelf at the bookstore back in the 1980s entitled, The 1980s, Countdown to Armageddon. Ohhhh, spooooky... What a laugh, in retrospect. All the Christian preachers I knew of at the time were hyping us up about the fact that 1988 was 40 years after Israel retook Jerusalem in fulfillment of biblical prophecy, and Jesus allegedly said that "That generation would not pass away until all things are fulfilled." They reasoned that in biblical terms, a generation was 40 years, hence Jesus would return in 1988. (What year are we in now? :rolleyes:) All their false predictions haven't hurt their reputations much if any among the Christian sheeple however.

[cleft_asunder]

The zion thing is genius... I knew there had to be some reason the logo was so shit but I couldn't find it.... well done koo, you must have a pair of them special 'they live' glasses...

Haha, yes the logo is pure shit, thus you have to wonder! :D

[lifeofbrian]

The end of the Mayan calendar signifies something unheard of in history.

Every single human being will experience a merging of dimensions. This means that our biological memory (cellular) will be played out before our very eyes; every person will 'see' (in their mind's eye) their karma. Many will go insane.
That is just the beginning.

At the same time, we have government bodies trying their darndest to fuck with our minds so we will respond to implanted 'realities' - this is aimed at both the amnesiac 'sheep' and those busy doing their spiritual homework.

I am surprised so few here understand what we are in for.

[john white]

I didn't know which one of you to Quote so all hear this:

Look at the news, fuck 2012, Russia and us(UK) are close to it now!!!

Wake up kids, its easy to say 2012 because its years away!!!

We are getting towards the end of Star Wars Episode II, very True: Episode 3still coming up!

What I mean to say is that we are seeing the final peices of law being put in place as if the US was Germany 1939... but the 2012 question is what we will have come 1945, and wether we are going to take responsibility this time around

2012 is NOT a transformation of the Outer World:

It is a transformation of the Inner World: and that is its true Potency:

It is real for each of us as soon as we accept it

And MORE real than any exterior shift in the "illusion" ever could be

All the things that "hold as back" are just choices we can un-make

All the things that take us forwards are the choices we are preparing ourselves to make, and choices we are NOW making

Fear consciousness or Love consciousness

These are the paths in front of us:

Everyone knows the choice I have already made

And it is the collective consciousness of humanity when the time of choice is passing over (2012) that will decide what the future of this world will be

But let us not forget:

1 Lion is worth 1000 Sheep

[lifeofbrian]

The end of the Mayan calendar signifies something unheard of in history.

Every single human being will experience a merging of dimensions. This means that our biological memory (cellular) will be played out before our very eyes; every person will 'see' (in their mind's eye) their karma. Many will go insane.
That is just the beginning.

At the same time, we have government bodies trying their darndest to fuck with our minds so we will respond to implanted 'realities' - this is aimed at both the amnesiac 'sheep' and those busy doing their spiritual homework.

I am surprised so few here understand what we are in for.

Allow me to carry on.

After the biological 'memories'/karma is played out, the memory of the mental body will invade your mind.

So what do you fill your mental body with these days?

Fluffy shite or the truth?

After the mental movie is finished the emotional crap will surface. You sorted out yet?

And then your spiritual origin. Who are you? Really. You will find out.

Not many people are estimated to make the whole ordeal.

But hey; the gov. is on top of it. Some micro beams and we will think everything is dandy. Just loads of people falling over dead or going nuts for some reason. The 'bird flu' or something.

Yeah right.

[cleft_asunder]

The end of the Mayan calendar signifies something unheard of in history.

Every single human being will experience a merging of dimensions. This means that our biological memory (cellular) will be played out before our very eyes; every person will 'see' (in their mind's eye) their karma. Many will go insane.
That is just the beginning.

At the same time, we have government bodies trying their darndest to fuck with our minds so we will respond to implanted 'realities' - this is aimed at both the amnesiac 'sheep' and those busy doing their spiritual homework.

I am surprised so few here understand what we are in for.

Why don't you make a thread about it? I'm curious what you think will happen, since the whole issue is confusing to me as of late.

[lifeofbrian]

Why don't you make a thread about it? I'm curious what you think will happen, since the whole issue is confusing to me as of late.

You reckon it is worth attempting to make a thread about, for the umpteenth time? Without being heckled by agenda-ites and those in deep denial?

Maybe you are right. Maybe this is the forum for this kind of information. There is no website highlighting it, I can assure you. It is neither 'what I think' - it is the compendium of shamans and psychics from indigenous cultures worldwide.

What I can do, is use some of these (mine and your) posts and start a thread in 'Awakening' in a few days time. Since I have a veritable heap of information I find it easier to respond to questions than to start from the top of the pile. To most it makes no sense then.

Thanks mate for your feedback. I feel all hopeful here right now. Like maybe there are still people out there this info resonates with. At least enough to investigate before discarding.

Give me a handful of days and I can PM you to let you know the thread is posted.

Cheers again.

[21_12_2012]

You reckon it is worth attempting to make a thread about, for the umpteenth time? Without being heckled by agenda-ites and those in deep denial?

Maybe you are right. Maybe this is the forum for this kind of information. There is no website highlighting it, I can assure you. It is neither 'what I think' - it is the compendium of shamans and psychics from indigenous cultures worldwide.

What I can do, is use some of these (mine and your) posts and start a thread in 'Awakening' in a few days time. Since I have a veritable heap of information I find it easier to respond to questions than to start from the top of the pile. To most it makes no sense then.

Thanks mate for your feedback. I feel all hopeful here right now. Like maybe there are still people out there this info resonates with. At least enough to investigate before discarding.

Give me a handful of days and I can PM you to let you know the thread is posted.

Cheers again.

Good on ya Brian...i'm sure more people than you think are 'aware' of impending change coming...and some of those people realise the 2012 thing could be what they're 'feeling'

The trouble is, with the year 2000 disinformation, a lot of people relate to that saying "nothing happened in 2000...or 06/06/2006..or 07/07/2007..etc...so why will 2012 be any different"...
but they can't see that 2000 was purposely disinformation to put people off realising that 2012 is actually the most significant time in the last 26 000 years as we come to the end of the biggest galactic cycle.

The very same forces (energy) which are affecting our solar system, and the sun right now (heating it up and increasing the vibration in everything) are also affecting our bodies and our perception and consciousness..if more people realised this, then they could get a better grasp of what 2012 is really about.

[cleft_asunder]

You reckon it is worth attempting to make a thread about, for the umpteenth time? Without being heckled by agenda-ites and those in deep denial?

Maybe you are right. Maybe this is the forum for this kind of information. There is no website highlighting it, I can assure you. It is neither 'what I think' - it is the compendium of shamans and psychics from indigenous cultures worldwide.

What I can do, is use some of these (mine and your) posts and start a thread in 'Awakening' in a few days time. Since I have a veritable heap of information I find it easier to respond to questions than to start from the top of the pile. To most it makes no sense then.

Thanks mate for your feedback. I feel all hopeful here right now. Like maybe there are still people out there this info resonates with. At least enough to investigate before discarding.

Give me a handful of days and I can PM you to let you know the thread is posted.

Cheers again.


The shaman and medicine doctors are some of the most important in regards to what will happen in the future, so I hope that you get that thread going.

[indigo]

We will have a global state though, by 2012 the bank will be one. It's becomming one now, i was with the woolwich, now, I'm with barclays through no choice of my own. Anyway thats not what this thread is about but in time there will be just one global bank for all. Money will not exist,

[lifeofbrian]

The shaman and medicine doctors are some of the most important in regards to what will happen in the future, so I hope that you get that thread going.

Thanks & I agree. Consider it done. (This time next week.)

[phoebe]

I'm intrigued.
Will keep an eye open for your thread.
:)

[lifeofbrian]

Good on ya Brian...i'm sure more people than you think are 'aware' of impending change coming...and some of those people realise the 2012 thing could be what they're 'feeling'

The trouble is, with the year 2000 disinformation, a lot of people relate to that saying "nothing happened in 2000...or 06/06/2006..or 07/07/2007..etc...so why will 2012 be any different"...
but they can't see that 2000 was purposely disinformation to put people off realising that 2012 is actually the most significant time in the last 26 000 years as we come to the end of the biggest galactic cycle.

The very same forces (energy) which are affecting our solar system, and the sun right now (heating it up and increasing the vibration in everything) are also affecting our bodies and our perception and consciousness..if more people realised this, then they could get a better grasp of what 2012 is really about.

What it really is about, would scare most people shitless. It does me. I prefer not thinking about it, but how do you delete knowing?

[lifeofbrian]

I'm intrigued.
Will keep an eye open for your thread.
:)

Looking forward to your questions if you have any.

See you there then, sweetie.

[21_12_2012]

What it really is about, would scare most people shitless. It does me. I prefer not thinking about it, but how do you delete knowing?

I suppose a lot of it requires faith in mankind as a whole to work on themselves, their values/morals/releasing stored up energies from the past, and working all that through to become 'higher vibrational' beings, which isn't as easy as it sounds.

I myself have gone through a bad couple of years recently, facing up to stuff from my past, re-experiencing stuff, and letting it go...which plays a major part in preparing for this shift in consciousness...it's a continuous daily job for me and for everyone.

Fears are a major factor, most people to some degree have fears...it's the realisation of this, and the 'working through' and releasing of them that's the important (and hard) part.

As the vibrational energy increasingly hits us, and affects us, we need to be able to move with the flow of it, otherwise that's when it becomes 'scary' / confusing...low vibrational thoughts/feelings/energy is at odds with the flow...that's why they need to be released...it is hard to put into words, but to me, this whole 2012 thing is like having a big long slow 'shower' of the mind/body and soul, but it becomes painful when we do not allow ourselves to be 'cleaned' by it (by hanging onto stored up negative energy and feelings)

I dont fear 2012...i look forward to it, and move with the flow as much as i possibly can...there's nothing to fear but fear itself...

[phoebe]

What it really is about, would scare most people shitless. It does me. I prefer not thinking about it, but how do you delete knowing?

I agree.
It's only the ego that is scared though.
It faces destruction!
However, most scary things work out to be for the greater good.
We are conditioned to be scared of change.
But what would we be without it?

[phoebe]

Looking forward to your questions if you have any.

See you there then, sweetie.

:)
Perhaps you could pm me when it's up and running?
I'm not online that much and wouldn't want to miss it.

[lifeofbrian]

Will PM you phoebe.

[STARWALKER]

Please don´t be afraid
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1030536695965417017
And read the book he mentions a number of times in his
talk! :)

[heretic]

We are conditioned to be scared of change.


Change is inevitable (except from a vending machine) :)

[joe dolan]

eh.... its ALREADY FUCKING HAPPENING!!!

[joe dolan]

I agree.
It's only the ego that is scared though.
It faces destruction!
However, most scary things work out to be for the greater good.
We are conditioned to be scared of change.
But what would we be without it?

PHEOBE WOW!! thank you. the ego has a finite existance. it has a birth date (perhaps the last cataclysm??)
some psychologists will say most of our phobias i.e. water etc are of PHYSICAL ORIGION. and the ego was born to prevent us from total psychological collapse (see tsarion) the ego with that must have an end date too. i feel the same. spot on!!

[phoenix1]

Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

Suggesting the High Route for you here EP, READ THIS AND LEARN.. Linear thinking like that makes me cringe. Its a small read , but the info therein may well be miles above you I dont know.. but if you "See" whats contained in these pages. You will change your mind.. if not.. you will certainly be scratching your head a lot LOL.

Jusy a suggestion dude nothing more nothing less. Im glad I read it . I'll tell you that for nothing.. This is only a small part of R A Schwaller de Lubictz genius. But a critiacal part if you wanna see some real depth ..above 3D thinking and Logical thinking ... Lubictz uses "The inteligence of the heart" which is beyond rationality, logic, and linear... here there is only ISNESS.

Complex at first .. but for me .. esential reading.And innexpensive too.

Maybe give it a whir?l... you may alter your position and find many flashing gems in this book

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41AVDFY2NML._SS500_.jpg

Phoenix:cool:;)

[gordonfreeman]

Hmmm....A Study of Numbers by R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz. I don't like math, it has been causing trouble to me since high school started.

2012? I am quite amazed that everyone has their own claims and beliefs. But I do know that the vibration of many souls are awakening and breaking the New World Order (Reptilians) sloppy control of the planet and the masses. Earth's Ascension is inevitable, but you will either stay in the 3rd density (dimension) or move forward to the 4th density and see the dark influence of the Reppies. We can stop them and end their negative plans of total dominance over the human race by using Light and Love.

[ashyr]

So what do you fill your mental body with these days?

Fluffy shite or the truth?


ahahahah i have to quote that. thats funny.

I JUST CANT WAIT. its going to be like a long awaited movie premier. but for real like a movie screen the size of the world and conciousness.

i dont care if its fake or manufactured. just give me something im starting to disolve here. i need my fix of "FIX" gimme the "DIGITAL GOD" any day

[peter19]

i think another point is if mayans were very advanced i dont think they would just think - "oh, we have ran out of numbers, lets just pick 2012 as the end date to scare the pants off people for no reason". if they run out of numbers and they were advanced i think it would be better for them to just say, so it would be common knowledge - " this is as far as weve got, it doesnt mean nothing just this is as far as we have got".

i believe the world is changeing now me or atleast i am, and others too. but i go along with if you hold onto your ego and fake illusions and your own dellusions created by yourself you might go through some shit because they will be stripped away from you. and a person full of attachment is not gonna like that man. even delussions are security, you know were you stand and its abit safe.

[phoenix1]

Hmmm....A Study of Numbers by R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz. I don't like math, it has been causing trouble to me since high school started.

Me too in school I coudn't alighn with regular linear calculus ans math... reason was it isn't math.. its formulas and merly a colection of observations.. which prove othing conclusively.. De Lubich shows the OLD NUMBER SYSTEMS.. not conforming really in 3D.. more 4D and above that .. well above it actually.. simple in its simplicity.

John Anthiny Wests book " Serpent In The Sky" explains De Lubichtz on an easier to swallow level. If you are not used to RA .. then try that book by Westie.. its also a brilliant all round read on a lot things Egyptian who indeed influences allof Greek thinking.

2012? I am quite amazed that everyone has their own claims and beliefs. But I do know that the vibration of many souls are awakening and breaking the New World Order (Reptilians) sloppy control of the planet and the masses. Earth's Ascension is inevitable, but you will either stay in the 3rd density (dimension) or move forward to the 4th density and see the dark influence of the Reppies. We can stop them and end their negative plans of total dominance over the human race by using Light and Love.




Im in agreement that Earth Ascention is inevitable.. soul ascension is not guaranteed though, inner work is required to achive the first bridge... some will stay in 3D .. out of choice.. and not acceptance of letting go of cycles .

People will cling like crazy to what they feel comfortable with and at home in .. thats gonna happen deffo if they have no other experience of a seperate reallity ouside their experience

Phoenix;);):)

[2013]

I Love You All

In 2012 all the planets in our solar system line up , there have been many alignments this last decade in preparation for this .The may 5th 5 planets in taurus for example .As we approach the 26,000 year cycle /spiral point we are on the verge of transforming personally and as a whole .As the planets align i came to the understanding that we too are aligning our spirit with the universe.As the planets may represent the chakra's of this dimension the chakras within each of us are beginning to align The more we are aligned and in balance the more we will go with the energy of the shift .This is why we are feeling the shifts within us now in our lives and relationships , we are sorting our shit out .The apocalypse means the revealing .We are revealing ourselves to ourselves and each other as is s ociety as a whole .The mayans say the last world ended in 1987 and the new one comes into being 22nd december 2012, so the more work we do on oursleves the easier the change will be for us and the others crossing into a new reality way of looking and being .We are human beings BECOMING .We are all connected and part of each other every cell contains within it the memory of everything it has ever been parts of me are parts of you .That is what we call karma as we work to heal the memory of those cells and purify ready for ascension ,as in to become more than we are now or more than we believe we are .Can you feel the force ?As we are mostly water and water retains memory on a cellular level as well it all makes sense to me .See the hopi prophecy
http://www.mayantimes.com/Hopi.htm :D

Thank You Please

[gordonfreeman]

Check out these useful websites.

http://www.karinya.com/notce1.html

http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/

[cleft_asunder]

I don't know much about the myan's aside form the 2012 thing and the movie apocalypto, however, I would think it obvious that they were controlled just like the USA and the rest of the world. They were probably directly controlled by the Reptilians, and sacrifices were made to them. Therefore, how can their knowledge be relied upon?

[eternal_spirit]

I don't know much about the myan's aside form the 2012 thing and the movie apocalypto, however, I would think it obvious that they were controlled just like the USA and the rest of the world. They were probably directly controlled by the Reptilians, and sacrifices were made to them. Therefore, how can their knowledge be relied upon?

That's a good point cleft I meant to mention this about the mayans allegedly did human sacrafices.

another thing how people keep saying you have to be spiritually advanced and pure to ascend leaving behind the rest to what disintegrate or die :confused:
If it's true something will happen shouldn't we all be affected the same way by the changes on earth?

[klinker]

How about the possibility that there will be no ascension for anybody in 2012 and all that will happen is the earth will go through a cataclysmic physical change where poles reverse and the vast majority of us die in the resulting Armageddon. It's happened before and whole civilisations were wiped out.

Can it not really be that simple? Why does this physical event have to be associated with anything spiritual? Has that helped before? Don't think so.

[montag]

On 21-12-2012 my son will celebrate his seventh birthday, other than that your guess is as good as mine..:)

[chandrakavi]

There may be crisis, we have had WWI WWII etc.a coming NWO but the world did not end. Nothing happened in 2000 did it?

Nostradamus said the world would end in 3.875, if you believe in him.

We have to die of something, and it better not be of FEAR.
Crisis will happen all the times

According to the Mayan calendar 2012 is an important date
something will happen, and we might as well go along on the adventure ride of conciousness, up to wheree it will take us.

[redhead]

We are getting towards the end of Star Wars Episode II, very True: Episode 3still coming up!

What I mean to say is that we are seeing the final peices of law being put in place as if the US was Germany 1939... but the 2012 question is what we will have come 1945, and wether we are going to take responsibility this time around

2012 is NOT a transformation of the Outer World:

It is a transformation of the Inner World: and that is its true Potency:

It is real for each of us as soon as we accept it

And MORE real than any exterior shift in the "illusion" ever could be

All the things that "hold as back" are just choices we can un-make

All the things that take us forwards are the choices we are preparing ourselves to make, and choices we are NOW making

Fear consciousness or Love consciousness

These are the paths in front of us:

Everyone knows the choice I have already made

And it is the collective consciousness of humanity when the time of choice is passing over (2012) that will decide what the future of this world will be

But let us not forget:

1 Lion is worth 1000 Sheep

Big Post John, true words spoken right there folks

PEACE

RED

[kooo]

2012 – Cashless society, introduction of microchips, enforced DNA collection.

[edelweiss pirate]

Excuse if I repeat something already posted, but I haven't read the entire thread, just the OP.

The Mayan Calendar doesn't measure TIME.
It measures the EVOLUTION of CONSCIOUSNESS.
And it's 'end time date' of 2012 doesn't imply the end of the world.
It signifies the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT.
The end of illusory time
The beginning of a new cycle...

Do your research before posting such rubbish ;)

Ohhhh boy what a lot of bollocks! If the Mayans were so smart and civilised how come they practiced mass human sacrifice...

See much consciousness expansion out there treacle? It's getting WORSE than ever... there are more human zombies than ever before in human history... Wake up poppet!

Actually turns out you're not the only one out there.......

You guys are being used.... BTW my 'transformation' has already occurred... nothing to do with 2012 but more to do with the availability of information and my being headhunted by masons...

So who's gonna wave the magic wand for you lot then?

You are all ripe pickings from the Stanford research institute tree... don't you see that?

BTW I can tell most of you are still miles away from any real kind of enlightenment by the aggressive or patronising tone that some of you employ.... like you feel threatened by my 'opinion'... well try not to, please keep it friendly Phoebe.

Oh and John, episode three is where you get tricked into joining the masons, ironically it came out just after I decided not to join.... If i'd joined Episode 3 would have been the final lock on my mind prison...

Maybe those that seek enlightenment may find they have to live episode three for real....

[klinker]

Ohhhh boy what a lot of bollocks! If the Mayans were so smart and civilised how come they practiced mass human sacrifice...

See much consciousness expansion out there treacle? It's getting WORSE than ever... there are more human zombies than ever before in human history... Wake up poppet!

That was a point I forgot to make earlier. If they were so spiritually aware then why butcher people for the sun god? What is clear to me is that the Mayans and Egyptians were obsessed with numbers and on that basis would explain much about the buildings they erected when related to the constellations.

So it comes back to my original question regarding the possibility of 2012 simply being a point in time where the earth goes through a massive physical change courtesy of pole reversal or whatever and the majority of life on this planet gets wiped out. The meek will indeed inherit the earth it seems.

[phoebe]

Ohhhh boy what a lot of bollocks! If the Mayans were so smart and civilised how come they practiced mass human sacrifice...

See much consciousness expansion out there treacle? It's getting WORSE than ever... there are more human zombies than ever before in human history... Wake up poppet!

The Mayans were very smart yes.
However people don't have to be caring to be smart.
Those that we call the Illiminati are smart...
But also very, very cruel.

Yes I do see consciousness expansion out there.
Consciousness is constantly expanding.
It's called creation.
But in the context you're referring to, also, yes I do see it.
In some people it is fairly gentle.
In others who fight it, things are getting, and will get even more crazy.
Things will appear to get worse before they get better.
Icke made a good analogy of this, likening our reality to a set of scales.
Things are currently tipped heavy on one side, and as balance is achieved the scales will swing wildly before settling down, giving the impression of a worsening of the imbalance.
But it's really the storm before the calm.

If you haven't already watched, please do watch the Ian Xel Lungold videos called Secrets of the Mayan Calendar Unveiled.
They are available in three parts on Google video.
Goes a long way to explain how the Mayan calendar wasn't meant as a measurement of time, but a measurement of evolution of consciousness.
And the evidence is extremely compelling.

Either way, regardless of whether the Mayan calendar date of 2012 is right or not...
There is definitely something up.
Don't you feel it?

[21_12_2012]

Ohhhh boy what a lot of bollocks! If the Mayans were so smart and civilised how come they practiced mass human sacrifice...

The illuminati aren't exactly totally stupid, yet they practice human sacrifice even today.

David Icke even predicted in the 1990s about seeing 'monsters in the public eye' (9-11) and a 3rd world war possibly between muslims/christians and china being involved...in the COUNTDOWN TO 2012.

Obviously the illuminati know that 2012 is a significant target time to implement their NWO...so they also obviously know that this time is highly significant regarding human 'freedom'...which is why they are so desperately trying to rush the whole agenda.

Nobody can say 'nothing will happen in 2012' unless they've actually travelled in time into the future and found this out.

[edelweiss pirate]

Even if it were a time for some kind of natural change there is no reason why an enlightened human could not prevent that disaster... that is if you believe that human potential is limitless.

I still don't buy it at all... How many times do you folks have to see history repeating itself before you learn that they trick you from ALL SIDES...

How many doom prophecies do you want to see exposed before you stop 'waiting' for change from outside and actually DO IT YOURSELF!

[phoebe]

Ohhhh boy what a lot of bollocks! If the Mayans were so smart and civilised how come they practiced mass human sacrifice...

See much consciousness expansion out there treacle? It's getting WORSE than ever... there are more human zombies than ever before in human history... Wake up poppet!

Actually turns out you're not the only one out there.......

You guys are being used.... BTW my 'transformation' has already occurred... nothing to do with 2012 but more to do with the availability of information and my being headhunted by masons...

So who's gonna wave the magic wand for you lot then?

You are all ripe pickings from the Stanford research institute tree... don't you see that?

BTW I can tell most of you are still miles away from any real kind of enlightenment by the aggressive or patronising tone that some of you employ.... like you feel threatened by my 'opinion'... well try not to, please keep it friendly Phoebe.

Oh and John, episode three is where you get tricked into joining the masons, ironically it came out just after I decided not to join.... If i'd joined Episode 3 would have been the final lock on my mind prison...

Maybe those that seek enlightenment may find they have to live episode three for real....

Sorry missed your edit...
I promise you I'm not pinning all my hopes on 2012.
Not even slightly.
But I do think it is a significant date.
I am not 'one of them' crazy new agers who believe anything they read.

I'm sorry if you thought I was being unfriendly when I posted 'Do your research before posting such rubbish.'
I didn't intend to come across as such...
Merely wanted to point out that if you had researched the 2012 thing, you might have realised the answer to part of your question already (ie the mayan calendar is a consciousness calendar not a time calendar).

[edelweiss pirate]

The illuminati aren't exactly totally stupid, yet they practice human sacrifice even today.

David Icke even predicted in the 1990s about seeing 'monsters in the public eye' (9-11) and a 3rd world war possibly between muslims/christians and china being involved...in the COUNTDOWN TO 2012.

Obviously the illuminati know that 2012 is a significant target time to implement their NWO...so they also obviously know that this time is highly significant regarding human 'freedom'...which is why they are so desperately trying to rush the whole agenda.

Nobody can say 'nothing will happen in 2012' unless they've actually travelled in time into the future and found this out.

They're engineering the WHOLE SHOW... from a useless transparent president, to 9-11, to Hurrican Katrina to the recent UK floods... They want to expose and destroy the old programme because they have a NEW SYSTEM.... I've heard this from the horse's mouth so to speak.

They control the whole show, the only thing they really need to finish it off is YOUR MIND.... and they will tell you WHATEVER you want to hear so the can get it, BY HOOK OR BY CROOK!

[21_12_2012]

Either way, regardless of whether the Mayan calendar date of 2012 is right or not...
There is definitely something up.
Don't you feel it?

Exactly...!

[21_12_2012]

They're engineering the WHOLE SHOW... from a useless transparent president, to 9-11, to Hurrican Katrina to the recent UK floods...

They control the whole show, the only thing they really need to finish it off is YOUR MIND.... and they will tell you WHATEVER you want to hear so the can get it, BY HOOK OR BY CROOK!

So, are you saying that the rising vibration of our whole solar system (which is currently occuring)....the rising of the schumann resonance (earths heartbeat)...the earths magnetic field dropping...the galactic cycle coming to an end...the increased perception of time passing faster...are all engineering by the 'illuminati'....

And they designed the mayan calendar ?

[edelweiss pirate]

What you feel is a result of the chem trailing and HAARP frequencies... they want to make you all schizo... Last October was a MAJOR trigger date BTW... many people unable to concentrate and focus their attention these days as a result...

Eventually you WILL lose your ego and you will become a zombie... because frankly, I've seen it all before and it's not new, just the technological methods are...

[21_12_2012]

What you feel is a result of the chem trailing and HAARP frequencies... they want to make you all schizo... Last October was a MAJOR trigger date BTW... many people unable to concentrate and focus their attention these days as a result...

Eventually you WILL lose your ego and you will become a zombie... because frankly, I've seen it all before and it's not new, just the technological methods are...

I'm actually 'waking up' more and more each day...perceptions are increasing...energy increasing...concentration increasing...happiness increasing...the opposite of what you state in your post...in fact i've never felt better, more together or more confident in my life.

[supertzar]

Swerdlow said that it is the date when the last Mayan DNA is gone from Earth. He said that 2010, when Jupiter turns into a sun, is the big year.

[peter19]

They're engineering the WHOLE SHOW... from a useless transparent president, to 9-11, to Hurrican Katrina to the recent UK floods...

They control the whole show!

maybe we are giveing them abit too much credit?. i believe there is forces at work that are not controled by TPTB, of course not, things happen and if we always say the illuminati was responsable we are programing ourselves to be abit powerless, and the powers that be abit powerful. alot of people do though want to be saved in the future and not do the work now, its ideal, just the same thing as the tele, you sit there and watch it but you dont have to give it anything, and it gives you everything. most people would love that and because of that some people will *hope* things will be all rosey, when they might not be. the way i view 2012 and i havent looked into it that much is its possible and it sounds good if its true, but if not then so be it. change would happen slowly, if anything were to happen,.... we could be walking slowly and then one time look back and not realize how far we have come.

[phoebe]

That was a point I forgot to make earlier. If they were so spiritually aware then why butcher people for the sun god? What is clear to me is that the Mayans and Egyptians were obsessed with numbers and on that basis would explain much about the buildings they erected when related to the constellations.

So it comes back to my original question regarding the possibility of 2012 simply being a point in time where the earth goes through a massive physical change courtesy of pole reversal or whatever and the majority of life on this planet gets wiped out. The meek will indeed inherit the earth it seems.

Let us look at it from a different perspective.
You believe that butchering people in the name of a sun god is bad.
Obviously someone somewhere thinks it's good!
Which of you are more spiritually aware?
Spiritually aware doesn't mean inhuman.
(Murder is very, very human).
The perspective these people must have had on the world is probably so different from ours as to be utterly incomprehendable.
Not making excuses for them...
Just saying...
Would you consider 'god' to be spiritually aware?
Well, god makes it so that some really terrible things can happen, such as lions tearing antelopes apart, babies dying of starvation etc
Does god allow those things to happen because 'he' is not spiritually aware?

In any case, it isn't for certain that the Mayans were spiritually aware in the sense that we understand it.
Just aware in a very different way to today's 'spiritually aware' people.
They understood the mechanics of the cosmos, that's for certain.
But that doesn't mean they were spiritually advanced people who had it all worked out.
If they did, their civilisation wouldn't have folded.

Regarding the physical changes/pole reversal... this is all interlinked with the mayan calendar...
These huge leaps in consciousness will affect humans and the Earth alike.
When things become less physical, they vibrate at a higher frequency
Which is what the earth's schumann resonance is doing right now.
Things on earth are getting wetter and hotter (vibrating faster).
Time is appearing to go faster...
I've no doubt that there will be massive earth changes.
But in order for change to manifest in the physical
It has to first be a consciousness change.
The universe is created by intelligent design so nothing happens by accident.
There is always, I think, a greater good underlying everything
No matter how appauling it might seem at first.

[phoebe]

They're engineering the WHOLE SHOW... from a useless transparent president, to 9-11, to Hurrican Katrina to the recent UK floods... They want to expose and destroy the old programme because they have a NEW SYSTEM.... I've heard this from the horse's mouth so to speak.

They control the whole show, the only thing they really need to finish it off is YOUR MIND.... and they will tell you WHATEVER you want to hear so the can get it, BY HOOK OR BY CROOK!

still don't buy it at all... How many times do you folks have to see history repeating itself before you learn that they trick you from ALL SIDES...

How many doom prophecies do you want to see exposed before you stop 'waiting' for change from outside and actually DO IT YOURSELF!


A few events on the third rock from a very insignificant sun is hardly THE WHOLE SHOW.
How about this as food for thought...
We are told (by Icke and others) that the 'Illuminati' want a New World Order.
Yet, and as you so rightly point out, their past machinations involve 'history repeating'.
If they prefer things to repeat in some hellish infinite cycle of control
WHY do they want a NEW World Order?
Surely the World is ordered (pretty much) as they prefer already?
Perhaps...
(and I'm just throwing this out there)
that we have been duped by this conspiracy stuff?
Perhaps 'they' DON'T want a New World Order at all!
Especially if a New World Order is actually...
the consciousness change that we're talking about here.

NWO
OWN
WON
NOW

Perhaps this Illuminati is merely our own resistance to this massive change (the change which, incidentally, doesn't necessarily mean things will be peachy at the drop of a hat, but might actually be quite painful for most people, where they will live out their karma etc?)

[21_12_2012]

See much consciousness expansion out there treacle? It's getting WORSE than ever... there are more human zombies than ever before in human history... Wake up poppet!

Actually turns out you're not the only one out there.......

You guys are being used.... BTW my 'transformation' has already occurred... nothing to do with 2012 but more to do with the availability of information and my being headhunted by masons...

So who's gonna wave the magic wand for you lot then?

You are all ripe pickings from the Stanford research institute tree... don't you see that?

BTW I can tell most of you are still miles away from any real kind of enlightenment by the aggressive or patronising tone that some of you employ.... like you feel threatened by my 'opinion'... well try not to, please keep it friendly Phoebe.

Oh and John, episode three is where you get tricked into joining the masons, ironically it came out just after I decided not to join.... If i'd joined Episode 3 would have been the final lock on my mind prison...

Maybe those that seek enlightenment may find they have to live episode three for real....

Edelwiess, I don't mean to sound insulting when i say this at all...but...can i ask you....do you live in fear ? and paranoia ?

What you feel is a result of the chem trailing and HAARP frequencies... they want to make you all schizo... Last October was a MAJOR trigger date BTW... many people unable to concentrate and focus their attention these days as a result...

Eventually you WILL lose your ego and you will become a zombie... because frankly, I've seen it all before and it's not new, just the technological methods are...


Because that's all that seems to be coming from these posts..

Your references to the masons seem as if you are in fear of them, or paranoid of them...i apologise if this isn't the case, but if it is the case, what is there to be afraid of in this world...at all ?

Fear mongering isn't nice...some people are more prone to fear and paranoia than others.

If more people realised that there is nothing to fear but fear itself...and the masons have only as much power as we give to them with our fears and paranoia, then this world would change overnight.

Even death is not to be feared....

[klinker]

Let us look at it from a different perspective.
You believe that butchering people in the name of a sun god is bad.
Obviously someone somewhere thinks it's good!

Perhaps not good but necessary

Which of you are more spiritually aware?
Spiritually aware doesn't mean inhuman.
(Murder is very, very human).

Not sure what you mean here.

The perspective these people must have had on the world is probably so different from ours as to be utterly incomprehendable.
Not making excuses for them...
Just saying...

Agreed. Certainly a much simpler outlook on life perhaps.


Would you consider 'god' to be spiritually aware?
Well, god makes it so that some really terrible things can happen, such as lions tearing antelopes apart, babies dying of starvation etc
Does god allow those things to happen because 'he' is not spiritually aware?

I'm an atheist.

In any case, it isn't for certain that the Mayans were spiritually aware in the sense that we understand it.
Just aware in a very different way to today's 'spiritually aware' people.
They understood the mechanics of the cosmos, that's for certain.
But that doesn't mean they were spiritually advanced people who had it all worked out. If they did, their civilisation wouldn't have folded.

Seems to me that they were not aware of what is today called the ascension.

Regarding the physical changes/pole reversal... this is all interlinked with the mayan calendar...
These huge leaps in consciousness will affect humans and the Earth alike.
When things become less physical, they vibrate at a higher frequency
Which is what the earth's schumann resonance is doing right now.
Things on earth are getting wetter and hotter (vibrating faster).
Time is appearing to go faster...
I've no doubt that there will be massive earth changes.
But in order for change to manifest in the physical
It has to first be a consciousness change.


For now I'll stick with the physical and the destruction it will cause for life on this planet. The archaeological record has shown the results of it happening before.

The universe is created by intelligent design so nothing happens by accident.

Is it? I would like to know more about that? Do we have evidence of this?

There is always, I think, a greater good underlying everything
No matter how appalling it might seem at first.

Is that not just wishful thinking? It's certainly something I've heard many times before to explain away the many pitfalls of various dogma that saturates this world.


:)

[edelweiss pirate]

maybe we are giveing them abit too much credit?. i believe there is forces at work that are not controled by TPTB, of course not, things happen and if we always say the illuminati was responsable we are programing ourselves to be abit powerless, and the powers that be abit powerful. alot of people do though want to be saved in the future and not do the work now, its ideal, just the same thing as the tele, you sit there and watch it but you dont have to give it anything, and it gives you everything. most people would love that and because of that some people will *hope* things will be all rosey, when they might not be. the way i view 2012 and i havent looked into it that much is its possible and it sounds good if its true, but if not then so be it. change would happen slowly, if anything were to happen,.... we could be walking slowly and then one time look back and not realize how far we have come.

Not at all. Trust yourself and nothing or noone else. Stop waiting for someone to wave a magic wand... wave your own.

BTW The Illuminati control everything. Technically I am actually one of them. I just operate on my own and follow my own orders.

There is no them and us in reality. Just people fighting for control. Which every single one of us does on a daily basis. Some of us have good intentions while some of us only think we do.

I have recently asked people for help in changing the weather and the results were unanimously that many of us actually saw changes as we started to operate.

This is where change will come from. Our own ability to believe we can do it ourselves... 2012 is just another of 'their' products they want to sell you because you can't do something yourself.

[phoebe]

Let us look at it from a different perspective.
You believe that butchering people in the name of a sun god is bad.
Obviously someone somewhere thinks it's good!

Perhaps not good but necessary

Which of you are more spiritually aware?
Spiritually aware doesn't mean inhuman.
(Murder is very, very human).

Not sure what you mean here.
OK... I'll give another example.
The monks who set themselves on fire in protest at the Vietnam war...
Would you regard them as 'spiritually aware'?
I certainly would.
However, they committed suicide, which appears to be a very spiritually unaware thing to do...
My point being that spiritually aware humans and spiritually unaware humans are both still... humans
And being spiritually aware doesn't mean being devoid of ego and spiritually aware people are still subject to being human.
Also, it is possible that they were spiritually aware but (for some reason known only to them) still considered it necessary to butcher people

The perspective these people must have had on the world is probably so different from ours as to be utterly incomprehendable.
Not making excuses for them...
Just saying...

Agreed. Certainly a much simpler outlook on life perhaps.


Would you consider 'god' to be spiritually aware?
Well, god makes it so that some really terrible things can happen, such as lions tearing antelopes apart, babies dying of starvation etc
Does god allow those things to happen because 'he' is not spiritually aware?

I'm an atheist.

So, do you believe there is no creator of all that is and that creation was just a big accident? Or that there is no god in the Christian sense?

In any case, it isn't for certain that the Mayans were spiritually aware in the sense that we understand it.
Just aware in a very different way to today's 'spiritually aware' people.
They understood the mechanics of the cosmos, that's for certain.
But that doesn't mean they were spiritually advanced people who had it all worked out. If they did, their civilisation wouldn't have folded.

Seems to me that they were not aware of what is today called the ascension.
Oh but they were. The 'ascension' has been happening since the beginning.
Just that for a long, long time, the evolution was much slower.
They were aware that consciousness constantly evolves quicker and quicker as 'time' goes on, until at a distant time (to them), 2012, this would reach some kind of peak.
We individuals haven't been around for billions of years like the universe has
So we've only just caught on to this evolution of consciousness
We are currently witnessing the tail end of the changes, where the evidence of the evolution can be observed in the space of one lifetime.
What is called 'ascension' by some now is really just the culmination of energies that have been at work for billions of years.

Regarding the physical changes/pole reversal... this is all interlinked with the mayan calendar...
These huge leaps in consciousness will affect humans and the Earth alike.
When things become less physical, they vibrate at a higher frequency
Which is what the earth's schumann resonance is doing right now.
Things on earth are getting wetter and hotter (vibrating faster).
Time is appearing to go faster...
I've no doubt that there will be massive earth changes.
But in order for change to manifest in the physical
It has to first be a consciousness change.


For now I'll stick with the physical and the destruction it will cause for life on this planet. The archaeological record has shown the results of it happening before.

Yes, I have read a lot about things like this...
Rand and Rose Flem-Ath, Graham Hancock, Charles Hapgood etc etc.
However, for anything to become physical it first has to be thought. Without consciousness there is no physical...
The physical earth changes are a result of energies from much higher than the physical level.

The universe is created by intelligent design so nothing happens by accident.

Is it? I would like to know more about that? Do we have evidence of this?

I suppose that my proof of intelligent design could be your disproof, but yes I think there is definitely evidence.
Two words...
Sacred Geometry.



There is always, I think, a greater good underlying everything
No matter how appalling it might seem at first.

Is that not just wishful thinking? It's certainly something I've heard many times before to explain away the many pitfalls of various dogma that saturates this world.:)

Firstly, there's nothing wrong with wishful thinking!
It's a very powerful thing is thinking...
A change in thinking can change your life.
Anyway...
Our purpose of being here is to be.
And be we do.
So...
It's All Good.

:)

There is no them and us in reality. Just people fighting for control. Which every single one of us does on a daily basis. Some of us have good intentions while some of us only think we do.

I'll drink to that.

[synergy777]

theres a solar peak in 2011, so expect solar storms, spots, flares, cme's. this will be life changing.

[klinker]

Originally Posted by klinker
Let us look at it from a different perspective.
You believe that butchering people in the name of a sun god is bad.
Obviously someone somewhere thinks it's good!

Perhaps not good but necessary

Which of you are more spiritually aware?
Spiritually aware doesn't mean inhuman.
(Murder is very, very human).

Not sure what you mean here.
OK... I'll give another example.
The monks who set themselves on fire in protest at the Vietnam war...
Would you regard them as 'spiritually aware'?
I certainly would.
However, they committed suicide, which appears to be a very spiritually unaware thing to do...
My point being that spiritually aware humans and spiritually unaware humans are both still... humans
And being spiritually aware doesn't mean being devoid of ego and spiritually aware people are still subject to being human.
Also, it is possible that they were spiritually aware but (for some reason known only to them) still considered it necessary to butcher people

I remain unconvinced yet open minded

The perspective these people must have had on the world is probably so different from ours as to be utterly incomprehendable.
Not making excuses for them...
Just saying...

Agreed. Certainly a much simpler outlook on life perhaps.


Would you consider 'god' to be spiritually aware?
Well, god makes it so that some really terrible things can happen, such as lions tearing antelopes apart, babies dying of starvation etc
Does god allow those things to happen because 'he' is not spiritually aware?

I'm an atheist.

So, do you believe there is no creator of all that is and that creation was just a big accident? Or that there is no god in the Christian sense?

I'm an atheist from the dogmatic religion perspective. I understand that the word GOD means love and I believe in love. I too am keen to know how this universe was created. The interstellar dust clouds would seem to indicate how the universal contents came about but where it all started who knows.

In any case, it isn't for certain that the Mayans were spiritually aware in the sense that we understand it.
Just aware in a very different way to today's 'spiritually aware' people.
They understood the mechanics of the cosmos, that's for certain.
But that doesn't mean they were spiritually advanced people who had it all worked out. If they did, their civilisation wouldn't have folded.

Seems to me that they were not aware of what is today called the ascension.
Oh but they were. The 'ascension' has been happening since the beginning.
Just that for a long, long time, the evolution was much slower.
They were aware that consciousness constantly evolves quicker and quicker as 'time' goes on, until at a distant time (to them), 2012, this would reach some kind of peak.
We individuals haven't been around for billions of years like the universe has
So we've only just caught on to this evolution of consciousness
We are currently witnessing the tail end of the changes, where the evidence of the evolution can be observed in the space of one lifetime.
What is called 'ascension' by some now is really just the culmination of energies that have been at work for billions of years.

How do we know they were spiritually aware of the ascension as we think of it today? In simple terms they worshiped the sun, butchered people and obsessed over numbers. I don't see any awareness of the ascension only awareness of a destructive future caused by the sun who they thought they could appease by sacrificing people. On the other hand perhaps that is a degree of spiritual awareness but if they knew they would ascend then they would also know the did not need to make sacrifices.

Regarding the physical changes/pole reversal... this is all interlinked with the mayan calendar...
These huge leaps in consciousness will affect humans and the Earth alike.
When things become less physical, they vibrate at a higher frequency
Which is what the earth's schumann resonance is doing right now.
Things on earth are getting wetter and hotter (vibrating faster).
Time is appearing to go faster...
I've no doubt that there will be massive earth changes.
But in order for change to manifest in the physical
It has to first be a consciousness change.


For now I'll stick with the physical and the destruction it will cause for life on this planet. The archaeological record has shown the results of it happening before.

Yes, I have read a lot about things like this...
Rand and Rose Flem-Ath, Graham Hancock, Charles Hapgood etc etc.
However, for anything to become physical it first has to be thought. Without consciousness there is no physical...
The physical earth changes are a result of energies from much higher than the physical level.

All theory I believe.

The universe is created by intelligent design so nothing happens by accident.

Is it? I would like to know more about that? Do we have evidence of this?

I suppose that my proof of intelligent design could be your disproof, but yes I think there is definitely evidence.
Two words...
Sacred Geometry.

Mathematics is a wonderful thing and can explain our universe as intelligent design. It's a fantastic thought and I certainly have no desire to disprove it.



There is always, I think, a greater good underlying everything
No matter how appalling it might seem at first.

Is that not just wishful thinking? It's certainly something I've heard many times before to explain away the many pitfalls of various dogma that saturates this world.

Firstly, there's nothing wrong with wishful thinking!
It's a very powerful thing is thinking...
A change in thinking can change your life.
Anyway...
Our purpose of being here is to be.
And be we do.
So...
It's All Good.

Never said wishful thinking was a bad thing but on the basis that a greater good underlies everything this would mean that the NWO agenda is also for the greater good. Not from everyones viewpoint though.


:)

[quetzalcoatl]

Interesting.. Been trying to reply to this thread for a while, but hadn't had the time (huh! How ironic)

From my understanding the Mayan calendar calculates the precessional cycle of Earths equinox entering into the Age of Aquarius at the winter solstice 2012. This may indeed equate to a very unstable time for Earth. However, it certainly doesn't need to spell the end for Earths population. Although I wish I didn't feel this way, but quite possibly the remainder 3.3 billion people, out of currently 6.6 billion, may perish by way of burning fire from the sky. Bam!

Nothing manifests easier than the perception of the majority, weather it's moulded through religions, books, lore or propaganda. Unfortunately no-one on Earth ATM has the faith in themselves/by themselves to change/stop massive disasters of any kind. There has to be a massive consciousness shift, by at least the majority, in order to shape our future.

Unfortunately the status quo is a fear based reality, heading for mass extinction, & it's entirely our own fault. It's no accident that the biggest religions are based around the Bible with its dreaded ending. There are reasons why we have the dooms day clock ticking its way up to midnight. There's evidence in our past of mass extinctions, Ice ages, global floods. It's really simply a matter of time; we're truly an endangered species. If we had evolved differently or if the majority thought differently, we would have a chance for this seed to survive whatever is 'heading our way' per-se.

We can't get fooled into placing so much value on our biological lives, when we're all simply taking a vessel in order to experience, everything that we already know (know on a higher level) & it really has no bearing on the guaranteed end result – which is ALL our return to the light of God – However I do not suggest take life for granted, or not to look after ourselves, because that would truly lead to an early death. Respect the gift we've been given/chosen, which is to add experience to God/Us from this 4 dimensional plane. But the most important point is NEVER FEAR, no matter what you do, because it doesn't affect the ultimate result, just don't place great amounts of value on the vessel (that which you possess) to the point you end up fearing death.

I've just learned that 1 person every 18 minutes goes missing/becomes a missing person in Australia alone!!! :eek: has the rapture begun? not expecting empty churches here! :D just food for thought, & something I'll be looking into further. Moreover, if there would be a sort of rapture/evacuation of the faithful from Earth, I would certainly expect it would take the form in which all our 'God(s)' have appeared to us in the past/now, as UFO phenomenon & extra-dimensional encounters. God is the great unseen remember? The connection is in our faith/belief, not what appears before our eyes.

I really tried to be brief..

Rough diagram of precession:-

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Plumed_Serpent/Precession1.gif

[oceanwave]

Forgive me coming in here, but the truth is we have always had change. The world is constantly changing. The only difference here is our awareness and perception. We are becoming more and more awake and therefore more and more aware of those changes.

Even without us the world will go on changing. The difference is that we are now aware of it, and being aware of it means that we are now a part of it. We can have a say if we so choose. But it will take more than simply wanting to change the things we want to change.

exactly...

"nothing" is already "happening"

;)

[lifeofbrian]

The shaman and medicine doctors are some of the most important in regards to what will happen in the future, so I hope that you get that thread going.

Thought I might as well carry on in this thread instead of making a big deal (about what I can say in one post) by starting another thread. There is a 2012-thread going on already anyway in one of the other forums.

The date 2012 (May - December) is of importance to the part of people called the soul. It is only the presence of souls on earth which gives us the impression of time as a road/measurement of learning and growing wiser - spiritually evolving - at our core being. TPTB have of course been aware of the soul-time connection for quite a while and have thus introduced/demanded our focus be on external clocks and watches and anniversaries and holidays and months. As they have pushed the youth fixation and all worship of superficial standards.

It is hugely politically incorrect to suggest we are not all created equal.

For most, this statement due to conditioning often creates a knee-jerk response and the statement is swept aside as a racist or even a zionist comment.

Conditioning of the public in general certainly is working.

I will try to present this very delicate information anyway, although it feels like walking on eggshells every time I have made an attempt. If you can, please do not shoot the messenger; I merely pass on what I have learnt and understand from various pools of lore not really presented in schools or local newspapers. Nor is it mentioned in churches - not in a way people can readily understand anyway.

Going back to the soul(s) and the process of spiritually evolving. Have you ever wondered why some people do not seem to learn from history or experience? War after war, conflict after conflict. Yet we have immense knowledge now about psychology and conflict management and mediation. Those crying out for war as a solution seem to almost not be capable of learning, or at least not interested in what ought to be known as mature behaviour?

What if there was a reason for this difference between people?

What if we are not all the same? Not in a "better" or "less" sense but simply "different"?

What if there are many "Sources" people and their essences originate from? And these "Sources" are different? Like, what if those belonging to Source A value individuality and personal freedom, and those belonging to Source B value the group hugs and the sense of "oneness", and those belonging to Source C value the teenage rebellious warrior mindset and testing limits and desiring dominance, and those belonging to Source D value the bubble baths, comfort, status and their own images in the mirrors.

What if?

2012 is for some people only, from what I have come to understand.
TPTB do not want some (souled) people to "get out" so to speak.
They have some tricks up their sleeve.
See quoted article below as an example of one of those tricks.

The rest, will for sure experience a world where the spiritual will matter less and more "harmony" is present. The "peace" will be possible because some people are literally gone. The "peace" will be built on the platform of fear of stepping out of line. "Oneness" will be the ideal and the Law as decided by Big Brother. The platform of fear will be maintained as the people with the warrior mindset will serve as the other party on the scales.

2012 is the alarm clock for the souled people who will - if they manage to get through the 3-day 'shift' when the personal 'internal awakening' occurs - experience their outer world changing and transforming into another world. Some buildings will fade in front of their eyes and others appear, for example, according to wise people in other cultures.

Moving on; the pockets of people aware of the amount of personal spiritual work needed right now rarely debate any of this. There is no time for debate about who is right or wrong. It depends on who we are. We can all be right.

But none of us can speak for the whole human population on this planet. The human body is a lifeform for many types of consciousness and energies. We are fools if we judge a book by its cover.

Every single human on earth will be on their own natural path anyway. There are no losers at the end of the day. We are individuals and personally responsible for ourselves. No-one else. None of us can decide what the guy or girl next to us should be doing or thinking or believing.

Here is some information some of you might want to help your own spiritual work and progress at this point in time:

Editors Note: It is some peoples beliefs that humans have reptilian ancestors or of a blood line which allows them to use their heritage to mind control and manipulate others. Below is such an article.

The Birth of a Host
By Cassie © 2000
http://www.angelfire.com/nm2/aona/cassie.html

There have been a lot of theories concerning the process by which a person becomes a Reptilian Host. It is speculated that hosting runs in bloodlines, reincarnation of the hosted spirit , or just that this entity chooses its abode indiscriminately. We do not have any definite concrete explanations. It could be any or all of the above. Any one of us could be a target or a potential host. Our strengths will come from the awareness of our vulnerabilities and also the knowledge of the process that takes place as a person is hosted. My purpose here is to share my observations of the hosting process and let all come to there own conclusions.

Predisposition: From my own observations, there seems to be a set group of characteristics of potential victims. The following are ones I have noted:

The person may have a higher IQ than most
They may have a lot of personal charisma or a charming personality…personal power capabilities.
They may have exceptional physical beauty or "good looks"
They may have money or access to it, even if its not their own
They may have an exceptional talent in the arts or computers
They may work or have access to communications such as the media, which entails radio, TV, newspaper and the web.
They may be a high achiever with much education or advanced degrees or licensing
They may be in a position to ‘get things done’, or in a position of power or authority over many others.
These individuals may have had a drug history or a present set of conditions which lead to drug/alcohol abuse.
They may have a history of back problems.
Most remember a supernatural occurrence from their childhood, and many refuse to discuss it.
They may lack a firm religious belief system on a personal level.

Of course we could say that this group represents most of us, and that is correct.
What we need to remember is that these entities seek out individuals that they can use to their advantage. The ones in positions to make worldly changes or get a message out through the media are prime targets. Others who affect smaller groups of people are equally important to them. They start at the grassroots levels as well as at the top and work their way through the mainstream of society contaminating as many as possible.

The Agenda: To create as much chaos and conflict as possible to generate negativity amongst our society. They attempt to make us as they are. They feed off our negative emotions whether it’s passion, lust, greed, hate, envy or wrath. They wish to weaken our spirit to make it easier for them to take over. That is where they get their lifeblood on our planet. We do not know the full spectrum of their agenda. It may be an old long term goal to destroy our species and colonize our earth with genetically engineered hominid creatures that are a mixture of human, Reptilian and foreign DNA material. It could possibly not be that elaborate of a plan. We just do not know. All we know is they are not looking out for our best interest.

The Process: These are the steps I have identified observing this process of a normal person becoming hosted by a Reptilian.

Early symptoms - The person will have experiences in the form of dreams and/or physical visitations of Reptilians, monsters, entities, demons, devils, vampires, or greys. The feelings during these experiences may be of confusion, fear, panic or disgust. The person having these dreams may not remember the dreams or may dismiss them as merely "bad dreams". People who do not believe in ET’s or other phenomenon are just as susceptible to this process as any of us are. Remember, just because you may have these experiences does not mean you are or will be hosted. This is just an early symptom.

Phase One - In this stage, the person will experience a change in normal mood. He may feel anxiety, have mood swings, depression or agitation. This is a mood that "builds" in intensity. It might escalate into angry outbursts, crying spells, or morbid thought. Sleep is lost or disrupted. It is in this phase that the drug or alcohol use may begin. The individual tries to self-medicate the symptoms. They may go for counseling out of discomfort. They might make impulsive or bad decisions about jobs or relationships. The stronger the soul quality of the individual, the more discomfort the individual will have.

Phase Two - At this phase, the symptoms of Phase One will intensify. The body begins to show signs of stress and weakening. The person will do self destructive things such as speeding, biting nails down to nubs, self mutilating activities such as body piercing, various body altering cosmetic surgeries or other excuses to "go under the knife". You may see excessive drug or alcohol abuse, very destructive relationship patterns, and may develop mental illness. A big question here which can be addressed later in another paper is this a symptom of mental illness, or spiritual illness and oppression?

The key symptom here to identify this stage is not just the severity of the symptoms but that others who are able to discern can see entities around or next to this individual. At this point the person is under attack. War has been waged upon this individual’s spirit. The more spiritual the individual is determines how long this phase may last and how intense it will be. How the person deals with the attack in this phase can determine whether the person will or will not be hosted. At this stage, the process can be stopped and reversed. The individual has a choice at this point to end the process or to go on into the Active Phase. The whole point of the attack is to weaken the body and morale of the individual to make way for the reptilian intruder. Illness can be produced at this point and possibly devastating diseases such as cancer or autoimmune disorders.

4. Active Hosting Phase - At this point the entities or entity goes into the individual using the body to act out its agenda. The person is not aware of what is going on, while the entity is quite lucid and aware of everything. The individual acts as if "driven" to reach whatever goals they are after. They are ruthless in behavior attaining their goals and desires. All discomfort from the previous two stages is gone. The body still shows physical signs of deterioration but the individual goes on with boundless energy. The host’s chances of reversing the process are slimmer than ever and almost impossible at this point. Others around the host feel drained and tired. The host is seen by others as an energy vampire.

The Host - When the Active Hosting Phase doesn’t go away, the task is completed and the individual is now a walking talking fully functioning entity. I will refer to this entity now as the "Host". The phases are cyclic from Phase One through the Active Phase. The movement between phases is slow at first as it moves toward the individual being hosted. Once in the Active Phase, the cycle may start over in Phase One a few times but eventually the period of time in the Active Phase lasts longer and longer until it stays there for years. The body is then owned and inhabited by the Reptilian entity. The Host will be seen taking unusually good care of his body in contrast to phases one and two. The Host will take vitamins, exercise and drink spring water and spout vegetarianism and wholistic health while sucking the energy from others around him. The host will discuss the benefits of monatomic gold…which allows them to shapeshift easier…but that’s another discussion.


The host will need all the resources possible to undertake his part in the Reptilian Agenda. The Host is known for his ability to get things done. He has no conscience therefore any boundaries to keep him from carrying out his agenda. The emotion of love and humanity is foreign to him. The Host is also very visceral and body oriented and dwells in the darker areas of sexuality. They like multiple partners and deviant sexual acts. They have disgusting habits and no understanding of manners or social awareness unless it furthers their agenda. At that time, they mimic societal behavior and demonstrate a pseudo-sensitivity and pseudo emotions to create the illusion of a normal caring person. Hosts are great manipulators of people through lies, mind games and mind control techniques. They love to destroy the spiritual nature of all individuals they encounter. When in positions of political power as they usually are, they play out their dramas, nation against nation creating chaos, hate and destruction.
Final Years - After his purpose has been served, the host will sort of fade into the Yoda mode where he is there to teach and advise the younger hosts. Over the years, he has collected others of his kind and he spends time reminiscing old times. Memories of the early Phases One and Two are gone.

The hosting process may seem frightening and somewhat hopeless. What we as individuals can do to prevent this process or stop it in our family members and friends is to educate the public on this phenomenon and teach techniques to stop the process before it gets to the point of no return. Discernment of the entity and being able to separate the person from the behavior and symptoms is a great step towards gaining control of this situation.

Being aware you are under attack by these Reptilians at any stage, is a good first step. If you know you are being attacked, you can arm yourself.

Nourishing your soul is another way to strengthen your soul quality. A strong soul is less likely to be hosted. These Reptilians maneuver with mind games. If you have a strong spiritual belief system that is based on love and goodness, that is poison to them as they can’t feed off of it.
Also, you have less fear when your spiritual belief system is strong, and fear is one of their favorite emotions…it acts as rocket fuel to their beings.

Stay away from drugs and alcohol mainly because a weakened body is like an invitation. Reptilians love to prey off people addicted to methamphetamines, cocaine, painkillers and alcohol.

Keep your body healthy and strong. That is what they do once they have fully hosted a body. Eat right, exercise and drink lots of water. Use relaxation techniques, massage and above all else, have fun.

Learn from them but do not act on their base level lest you lower yourself to their standards and become like them. That is a danger in fighting Reptilians. In this situation you do not fight fire with fire.

For the mood swings or tremendous sleep deprivation, you might see a doctor for some nonaddicting medications for this problem. A good nights sleep is so very important in keeping your mind and body strong. Also, herbal remedies are quite good.

Don’t make any major decisions while under this attack period. Do not go on spending sprees, begin or end relationships or jobs. This is not a good time as your judgment is off.

Pray helps. It makes you feel better and it doesn’t hurt.


Remember, the Reptilians can see you transparently. They take advantage at every turn. They cannot make you do things against your will, but they can manipulate you. Realize also that goodness is much stronger than evil. They know this. Love is something they do not understand at all…so that puts them at a disadvantage. The only time you may not have control is if they manage to host your body…but forewarned you can shake this off and prevent this from ever taking place. Let’s work together to keep the wolves at bay as we enter the new millennium.

God Bless,

Cassie

[bigbadal]

Hello, when we create the collective reality for ourselves, how can we destroy the planet, or not help it by being 'negative' or 'fearlike'?
What about the collective realities of the whole spectrum of life on the planet? surely they dont have the mindset of us so, so negative huuumaaaans!
It seems that the human common 'knowledge' here indicates towards a higher ranking of the human consciousness and therefore a more powerful reality creator? We are life, it is life, it is all power and energy but 'ours' is stronger?
Arrogance? Truth? Naivety?

[quetzalcoatl]

I like to keep faith in humanity & reserve hope for a brighter future.

We simply shouldn't ignore the signs & our own intuitions; this is the warning system for what will unfold tomorrow.

Even though it doesn't matter in the bigger picture, & there's a chance it's all 'just an illusion'. We all have the responsibility to do our best for the future survival of All Life on Earth!!! which among others - involves thinking beyond our own lives.

[lifeofbrian]

Hello, when we create the collective reality for ourselves, how can we destroy the planet, or not help it by being 'negative' or 'fearlike'?
What about the collective realities of the whole spectrum of life on the planet? surely they dont have the mindset of us so, so negative huuumaaaans!
It seems that the human common 'knowledge' here indicates towards a higher ranking of the human consciousness and therefore a more powerful reality creator? We are life, it is life, it is all power and energy but 'ours' is stronger?
Arrogance? Truth? Naivety?

'Life' does not mean 'consciousness' of the same kind. Plants, insects, animals, are all animated with energy and thus types of consciousness.

The responsibility of the souled people is that they have a spark of creative energy which can alter all the others and which originates from a distant source.

People not in touch with their soul and furthermore their soul group do not co-create in the same conscious way and are therefore not so potentially dangerous to other types of consciousness.

What the Illuminati and their counterparts are afraid of, are aware people with a strong spiritual sense of who they are and what they can in fact do; the conscious co-creators operating from their higher selves all of the time.

Souled humans once came here to evacuate other trapped souls. They became amnesiacs themselves but their power to co-create was part of their nature and has been used by 'Lords' through manipulation ever since.

Do not give your power away.

[edelweiss pirate]

Have you folks seen that new TV show 'Heros'..

It's probably loosely based on the X-Men and it details the emergence of a group of different people with some kind of genetic mutation which gives them various amazing abilities such as tissue regeneration, teleportation and precognition..

It's not a nice show. It has a typical twist of murder and brutality so I think it's one of their mind polution tools, however it is zeitgeisty and to me anyway, narrate a day to day reality that some of us are experiencing, such as incredible synchronicities, bending of time and space and reality creation.

Therefore for some it has already happened (and has always been happening, 'cept the masons won't tell you this)... I'm not sure that 2012 will lead to everyone getting mutated or something, I think it much more likely that they will do the time honoured thing and try to use the date to kill as many people as they can...


So the question is... who's already 'changed'... I keep asking this periodically, the last time I did we had the first forum experiment which was a huge success so I'll ask again, who feels that they've made it.

Who has mutated? Because if we can actually band together then we can really start to change things...

Who feels they're on the 'edge of something incredible'..

And who feels they came here to save the world...?

(I suspect there's more out there than you let on but the oaths some of you have made prevent you from disclosing this eh? Why don't you have some guts and actually make a stand for once!)

The above applies to the secret society adepts, the new agers and the Wiccans here.... the rest of you whose freedom to express yourself is unfettered.... go for it!

[cruise4]

Hang on... let me get this straight... you are trying to form the X-Men?

[lifeofbrian]

I suspect aware people will know better than to expose themselves on the internet, edelwise.

Goes with the territory of 'brains' and all that.

Nor will they take any bait.

[edelweiss pirate]

Fear!? What's that then.... Oh yeah... False Evidence Apearing Real...

Still, yes, I want to form the real X men.... and it is happening people are changing, I guess they just don't use this forum then....

Seems 2012 will leave some people behind.. Nothing will happen and they will wonder why.. because THEY didn't make it happen...

Stop waiting for the photon belt peeps and take the matter in hand! Your choice.

[lifeofbrian]

Fear!? What's that then.... Oh yeah... False Evidence Apearing Real...

Still, yes, I want to form the real X men.... and it is happening people are changing, I guess they just don't use this forum then....

Seems 2012 will leave some people behind.. Nothing will happen and they will wonder why.. because THEY didn't make it happen...

Stop waiting for the photon belt peeps and take the matter in hand! Your choice.

Hm.

People waiting for the shuttle out of here do so for a reason. They know that in the long run the shuttle can take them further in a shorter period of time than if they started walking.

You are a funny sort edelweiss.

What I meant was, that those aware will probably not make a big deal about it. Humble people are not always what they seem. They are online alright, but they are no internet-celebs.

A comment here, a couple there, oh yes, they are around.

[edelweiss pirate]

So you're waiting for some magic wand to change your life.. just like the people always do and get stiffed royally in the process.

Your choice...just one I have to live with... damn!

Secondly what is this idea of internet celebs...? That's cynical of you.... Misrepresenting my good intentions... We need to unite and express the power we are capapble of. Ironic. People like you when they are given the chance to realise their dreams and desires actually back away... Seen it all before with you 2012 buffs. NWO fodder.

[lifeofbrian]

So you're waiting for some magic wand to change your life.. just like the people always do and get stiffed royally in the process.

Your choice...just one I have to live with... damn!

Secondly what is this idea of internet celebs...? That's cynical of you.... Misrepresenting my good intentions... We need to unite and express the power we are capapble of. Ironic. People like you when they are given the chance to realise their dreams and desires actually back away... Seen it all before with you 2012 buffs. NWO fodder.


That's pretty harsh. You don't know me. Nor what I do.

I have enjoyed this thread. Have you, edelweiss?

Shall we try to get back on track?

I ask:

What do you think will happen in December 2012?

a) nothing
b) feeling "better" ( = issues suddenly gone)
c) same as normal (routines - nothing to it)
d) vague memories of a different kind of reality (doc will give out pills for depression)
e) remembering everything

[bigus_dickus]

2012 is kinda far, it's like half a dozen years away. anyone know what's gonna happen tomorrow? if you do, keep us posted.

[phoebe]

Well...
The same could be said for every single topic on this forum.
It's all subjective, opinion, unprovable.
All things are possible yes.
And at the end of the day
ALL thoughts are wrong.
Consciousness is never wrong
It just IS.

[alpha]

hi ive heared a lot about the calender 2012 wot does it all mean? apparently my local crystal store says assention 2012. government says olympic 2012. mayan calender world ends2012. aluminatii very important date! now, im very new to all of this and dont know wot the fuck is going on!! ANY ONE CARE TO ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE!!!!!:confused::confused::confused:

[i_am]

hi ive heared a lot about the calender 2012 wot does it all mean? apparently my local crystal store says assention 2012. government says olympic 2012. mayan calender world ends2012. aluminatii very important date! now, im very new to all of this and dont know wot the fuck is going on!! ANY ONE CARE TO ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE!!!!!:confused::confused::confused:

LOL Don't be freaked.

Google 2012 and start reading :D

Actually everyone says the end of the Mayan Calender but if you read up on it, they started from that date and worked back.

Welcome to our sandbox, by the way :p

[cleft_asunder]

hi ive heared a lot about the calender 2012 wot does it all mean? apparently my local crystal store says assention 2012. government says olympic 2012. mayan calender world ends2012. aluminatii very important date! now, im very new to all of this and dont know wot the fuck is going on!! ANY ONE CARE TO ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE!!!!!:confused::confused::confused:

Well, there is a furniture store here in Reno called Mor, pronounced More. An individual with a really deep and commanding voice does a commercial for them, and they are just totally implanting that 2012 date: "NO downpayments until 2012!," repeated like 3 times. It made me speculate. So my point is that 2012 is really about furniture.

But seriously, there's 2 thing you should know about 2012, but not necessarily that date.

1)All traditional "primitive" cultures around the world know that the Earth changes are coming, like within a few years, and they are preparing.

2)The Earth is passing through the equinox, or the center of the galaxy. Supposedly there is a "wave" of some sort comming as well. The sound of this wave is "Ommm." Through this wave there will be lots of negative changes to Earth, but it is a purification and an energy that increases our vibration. David Icke says that God is hacking into the system.

3)The Illuminati want to start World War III and the Apocalypse to re-usurp control that is supposedly being lost for them. Lots of manipulation will take place. At least that is their plan.

[cleft_asunder]

LOL Don't be freaked.

Google 2012 and start reading :D

Actually everyone says the end of the Mayan Calender but if you read up on it, they started from that date and worked back.

Welcome to our sandbox, by the way :p

I find it a strange coincidence that all the "primitive" earth-bound cultures are all predicting this. The Medicine Men, and Shaman. There is too much going on right now for the topic title to have any foundation. Everything DOES seem to be speeding up, and shit IS happening. But hey, I'm ready for a change, so I tend to lean towards that direction, although I am genuinly convinced that we are approaching some transformation.

[quetzalcoatl]

Clarity par-excellence edelweiss pirate! People ARE changing, that IS the remedy, the evolution of Soul, Mind & Body. I'm with ya mate :cool:


It would be greatly beneficial to stop Believing, Saying & Acting like seeing the future is unobtainable, especially when that's what we're all doing on a daily basis. In-fact this helps further suppresses our conscious access to higher knowledge.


Believe me! We ARE ALL way more than our simple '12% conscious capacity'.


That's my generalised 2 pence for the day.

[i_am]

I find it a strange coincidence that all the "primitive" earth-bound cultures are all predicting this. The Medicine Men, and Shaman.

:) I often wonder who are the primitive ones.

[oneofmany]

hi ive heared a lot about the calender 2012 wot does it all mean? apparently my local crystal store says assention 2012. government says olympic 2012. mayan calender world ends2012. aluminatii very important date! now, im very new to all of this and dont know wot the fuck is going on!! ANY ONE CARE TO ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE!!!!!:confused::confused::confused:Google Ian Lungold and strap yourself in.

[john white]

Wow! What an Avvie! :)

[oneofmany]

Wow! What an Avvie! :)The paddle pop Lion has been an integral part of me for half my life. He and I are one. :)

[edelweiss pirate]

Well, there is a furniture store here in Reno called Mor, pronounced More. An individual with a really deep and commanding voice does a commercial for them, and they are just totally implanting that 2012 date: "NO downpayments until 2012!," repeated like 3 times. It made me speculate. So my point is that 2012 is really about furniture.

Yep, that's the ultimate conspiracy. The Earth will belong to the tables and chairs... and noone will ever see it coming.. can you trust that looming sentinel of a pine wardrobe in the corner of your bedroom, or the seemingly compliant pink pouffe in your mum's living room? Never again... Look on your household contents with new eyes and fear. Fear the rise of the furniture but above all, fear Ikea!

[asentinel]

So the question is... who's already 'changed'... I keep asking this periodically, the last time I did we had the first forum experiment which was a huge success so I'll ask again, who feels that they've made it.

------

What evidence are you looking for? what are you asking ?

[asentinel]

edelweiss pirate
that was your quote I was replying to...

what in your opinion would be evidence of having "made it"?

It is I guess a question of signposts witnessed. The things that have passed your vision as you've sped down the highway.

I am scanning the net and various sites on intuition, looking for synchronistic matches and overlays.

[exclamatio]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

cant be arsed reading the rest of the thread, so sorry if this has already been said but actually the date 21st december 2012 is the end of a long count

i presume you know what this is in all your infinate wisdom.

[kha zarr]

um, i dunno if this is authentic but it appears they count even longer than baktun. however technically theyre not part of the long count.

the next largest one is 'pictun':

http://www.sizes.com/time/cal_mayan.htm

maybe something will happen in 2012, maybe even before then, if mayan civ is older than we thought. at this point i dont focus on it but this did come to mind b/c i did a paper on calendar systems a few years ago and stumbled on a 'longer' count.

[irak]

Have you folks seen that new TV show 'Heros'..

It's probably loosely based on the X-Men and it details the emergence of a group of different people with some kind of genetic mutation which gives them various amazing abilities such as tissue regeneration, teleportation and precognition..

It's not a nice show. It has a typical twist of murder and brutality so I think it's one of their mind polution tools, however it is zeitgeisty and to me anyway, narrate a day to day reality that some of us are experiencing, such as incredible synchronicities, bending of time and space and reality creation.

Therefore for some it has already happened (and has always been happening, 'cept the masons won't tell you this)... I'm not sure that 2012 will lead to everyone getting mutated or something, I think it much more likely that they will do the time honoured thing and try to use the date to kill as many people as they can...


So the question is... who's already 'changed'... I keep asking this periodically, the last time I did we had the first forum experiment which was a huge success so I'll ask again, who feels that they've made it.

Who has mutated? Because if we can actually band together then we can really start to change things...

Who feels they're on the 'edge of something incredible'..

And who feels they came here to save the world...?

(I suspect there's more out there than you let on but the oaths some of you have made prevent you from disclosing this eh? Why don't you have some guts and actually make a stand for once!)

The above applies to the secret society adepts, the new agers and the Wiccans here.... the rest of you whose freedom to express yourself is unfettered.... go for it!

... i do! :) mutation = change

The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.
— Isaac Asimov

[cruise4]

I feel I'm on the edge of something incredible. I've seen a symbol like a crop circle and met DI in a dream. There were others there, be interesting if they ever turn out to be some of you guys. In this dream the veil of reality seem to have been drawn back and there were surface to air laser things going off, and pulses across the land. (I previously hardly ever vividly dream). It occurred to me I was on a UFO for some reason.

At one point DI said: Everyone down and we hit the deck as this wave pulse raced towards us and I heard the words... Now Fly Away Now Fly Away Now Fly Away.... and woke up like a bolt. Was there a rave track with those words in. It was like the start of one through a vocoder and musical.

I am in almost a permanent state of energy. I'm trying to pulse it out across the landscape to help others get it. Its like going up levels. As if my body cannot take it all in one go and I have to stabilise. I'm also trying to tell my body and cells to spin the light etc. and grow the new DNA strands and re-activate the so called Junk DNA.

I wasn't sure whether to post this... but I think its important others try and will this into happening. So either something IS happening, I'm going mad, or I'm chipped. And still questioning everything.

Its also occurred to me that some of us here on this forum are a cell.

[revolutionary_jam]

On Your Marks...



...Get Set...



...nothing!!!

[seer74]

Greetings
So I have been contemplateing Ascension and what will or will not happen in 2012 for some years now, and today I have reached a conclusion. I feel a great sense of urgency in shareing my thoughts.
I do believe SOMETHING will happen in 2012, though i do not claim to know what. I do feel very strongly however what (more importantly) will NOT
happen ON or AFTER that date. The answer to that great question is ASCENSION!!!!
Ascension is not a process that takes time nor is it some event that we can look forward in time to. It is something that will happen when we see that the door is and has always been open, and we take that step of faith through the open door - as a conscious, voluntary act. It will take place in the blink of an eye, or not at all!
What IS a process of time is the Prison Warders effort to lock consciousness up in this illusion forever.
MAYA means Illusion; the Mayans were the people of Illusion. I believe that the Mayan teaching is Annunaki teaching.
I think that way back when they first set to work to imprison our consiousness they figured out how long it would take to build a prison from which we cannot escape. I believe they determined 2012 and planted the idea that this would be the time of ascension with the intent that You and I believe this and wait for Ascension to come to us untill it is finally too late!!! The final bricks are being placed in The Wall as we speak. No, the world will not end in 2012, but our opportunity WILL!!!!
ASCENSION NOW!!!
Peace
"I'll climb the hill in my own way... and every day is the right day..."
~Fearless, Pink Floyd

[seer74]

There are always synchronicity... believe more and more all the time that that they are consciousness prodding us to take the step - that its a mistake to think they mean your "getting closer" they mean "the door is open, go through it !!!" the more frequent the synchronicity, the more you must be resisting...the more prodding the spirit feels you must need. Take it how you will, just my thoughts. I am seeking the faith to release my fear and go through the door. I see it open, I KNOW I can go through any time. And yet the ELFs are bombarding me as I type this the FEAR is all thats keeping me here, I know this now.

I LOVE YOU

[lilly555]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...


i agree with edelweiss here too...you'll see:)

[seer74]

So the question is... who's already 'changed'... I keep asking this periodically, the last time I did we had the first forum experiment which was a huge success so I'll ask again, who feels that they've made it.

any of us who are useing this forum are still living in illusion. any change that leaves one is illusion is at best a new phase of the illusion. the only change worth makeing is one that no one here has made, includeing myself.

The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.
— Isaac Asimov

change is constant in the illusion, and yet the more the illusion changes the more it stays the same.

Transcend Yourself

[seer74]

synchronicitys, time speeding up, deja vu, and various other such anomaly also tend to accompany upgrades in the matrix. As such they should not be percieved as an awakening "process" they should, yes be taken as prompts to see that we can leave this illusion at any time and DO IT!(They are consciousness prodding us to wake up before the upgrade is made and awakening becomes all the more difficult)But to take them as actually part of the "process" of ascension or awakening
is foolishness. If you do then you will remain in this matrix, with a truly diabolical upgrade to your illusion, a PREMATURE belief that one has already been awakened.

I've never ascended. Can't describe what its like on the other side of that door. But I HAVE experienced all these "signs" time and time again all my life, and i DO KNOW what they do and DO NOT mean!!!

It is becomeing very clear to me that there are certain upgraded individuals useing this forum who believe themselves ascended beings. WOW!! The perfect upgrade (for the prison warders, of course)!! Perhaps soon, enough people will be "awakened" (BECOME!!!) that the next phase of world domination can proceed under the ILLUSION of its own defeat - a device used by the Order time and time again throughout history from the Fall of Rome, to the "disbanding" of the Knights Templar, to the American Revolution, to the Trials at Nuremberg. Leave this Dream World before it too late!!! :cool:

[3rdeye]

i would just like to educate you a little on the mayan calander as it was not based on a time like structure as our modern world does , it was based on natural cycles of the woman menstruel cycle and that of the solarsystem and of far off planets that scientists have only just found out as much as the mayans knew in regards to the connection with the astrological galaxies , az the egyptians had the exact same knowledge of our solarsystems .
now as reguards to nothing happening on 2012 i beleive you should do more research into whats happenin to our galaxy at the moment ,
as scientists have just revealed an the last 4 weeks that our galaxy has not been part of the milkyway for a long time (as why it looks to be on a 45' angle in our sky) and at present we are coming back into the milkyway on a high angle and to drop back in , so to speak .
now this my freinds may explain evolution and how and why there had been soo many iceages through out the earths history our N & S caps are very dure to switch if not 180' but mayb 90' , scientists have also just witnessd Uranus do this exact 'switch' within the last weeks and laso explains the iregular chemical changes happenning in EVERY planet in out little solar system , also the irregularly large solar flares that have been recorded
i must return to the mayans as i said they had a vast knowledge of the solarsystem and they also beleived to hav been interbred with "reptilians" hense there intense knowledge of the stars and there patterns.
so in a consus people (hopefully) we are about to witness and be a apart of the neverending evloutioary process , but dont take my word for it or anyones for that matter - do your own research put all the evidense together and make your own colclusion :) peace out

[drael]

A whole year where nothing happens? that would be a miracle!

;)

PS research the mayan calander, your information is a little off, the end of the mayan calander represents a galactic alignment that will be visible in the sky - its nothing like y2k.

[seer74]

i would just like to educate you a little on the mayan calander as it was not based on a time like structure as our modern world does , it was based on natural cycles of the woman menstruel cycle and that of the solarsystem and of far off planets that scientists have only just found out as much as the mayans knew in regards to the connection with the astrological galaxies , az the egyptians had the exact same knowledge of our solarsystems .
now as reguards to nothing happening on 2012 i beleive you should do more research into whats happenin to our galaxy at the moment ,
as scientists have just revealed an the last 4 weeks that our galaxy has not been part of the milkyway for a long time (as why it looks to be on a 45' angle in our sky) and at present we are coming back into the milkyway on a high angle and to drop back in , so to speak .
now this my freinds may explain evolution and how and why there had been soo many iceages through out the earths history our N & S caps are very dure to switch if not 180' but mayb 90' , scientists have also just witnessd Uranus do this exact 'switch' within the last weeks and laso explains the iregular chemical changes happenning in EVERY planet in out little solar system , also the irregularly large solar flares that have been recorded
i must return to the mayans as i said they had a vast knowledge of the solarsystem and they also beleived to hav been interbred with "reptilians" hense there intense knowledge of the stars and there patterns.
so in a consus people (hopefully) we are about to witness and be a apart of the neverending evloutioary process , but dont take my word for it or anyones for that matter - do your own research put all the evidense together and make your own colclusion :) peace out

excellent post, right the mayan calender certainly did predict a shift in the earth's climate in 2012, end of the "5th sun" as it were. I'm more concerned however with the ascension that must happen before that does and which the anunaki wish to prevent than cycles of 3rd dimensional climate patterns.

[seer74]

A whole year where nothing happens? that would be a miracle!

;)

PS research the mayan calander, your information is a little off, the end of the mayan calander represents a galactic alignment that will be visible in the sky - its nothing like y2k.

thank you Drael. Yes there is a galactic alignment involved in the mayan "prophecy"

"just ran out of numbers" my big toe!!! The Mayans believed that the earth went through a series of natural cycles called "suns"... their civilization flourished at the beginning of what they considered the "5th Sun" which was to end in 2012. I highly recomend a book entitled "Fingerprints of the gods" by
oh, crap what's his name something or other Graham. Anyway I differ with the author on some points but he knows his Mayan mythology for sure. Anyway a point i would like to reiterate is that the Mayan calender has had all sorts of Illuminati baggage attached to it encourageing people to look froward to 2012 as the time for ascension, and i believe they do this because they know by then it will be too late.

[de_shit]

Humans fear the unknown only because they've closed themselves off from the force that illuminates them on the unknown. Nothing will happen on 2012 that will kill people. We will be part of a new galaxy thats all. Say "howdy" to our new neighbors out there in the Milky Way.

[john67]

thank you Drael. Yes there is a galactic alignment involved in the mayan "prophecy"

"just ran out of numbers" my big toe!!! The Mayans believed that the earth went through a series of natural cycles called "suns"... their civilization flourished at the beginning of what they considered the "5th Sun" which was to end in 2012. I highly recomend a book entitled "Fingerprints of the gods" by
oh, crap what's his name something or other Graham. Anyway I differ with the author on some points but he knows his Mayan mythology for sure. Anyway a point i would like to reiterate is that the Mayan calender has had all sorts of Illuminati baggage attached to it encourageing people to look froward to 2012 as the time for ascension, and i believe they do this because they know by then it will be too late.

Graham Hancock mate, very good read btw:cool:

[seer74]

right, right graham hancock, thanks.

anyway yes, a great book, the author and i would not see eye to eye on a lot of things involved, but he does show some very clear evidence of some important stuff. And I especially recommend it to anyone who thinks the Mayan's "just ran out of numbers" LOL

There is a strong LIKELIHOOD of a major shift in the earth's crust in 2012, I'm not convinced they were right on their date, mind you, but they were predicting a major shift quite explicitly, i might add

He also does a very good job of showing evidence that ancient history is not what is conventionally understood of it, and that someone in Europe most definitly knew of both Antarctica AND South America long before the Rosicrucian "explorers"...someone with very modern-day level cartography skills in fact! Along with the FACT that all the ancients civilizations had common origins.

[3rdeye]

thanx SEER !
ups from a senior member :)haha
just so ya know im only 20 years old but dont let my age depict my wisdom ;)
just wanted to add another thought to te situation we are in, jut the other day i was talkin to my very straight socialistic minded girl friend , an i wall telling her about david icke and showing her some of his videos on youtube (which i found alot easier to help me explain to her ,rather than just quoting his books) and afterwards her first remark was "well how do you know that hes not part of it too ?
what she said made me think about it quite a bit and after pondering over it fr a few days i came to a slight revalation in that maybe DAVID I. (in the eyes of the illuminati ) was supposed to expose them to the world and to create more chaos and confusion , espesially amounst religions and we all know how strong religious people are about there beleifs and what say the illuminati expose themselves on a global scale close to the 2012 .
so basicly what im coming back to is that there wil always be their AGENDA and by exposing themselves will create a, PROBLEM equaling chaos and in turn they will once again offer us a SOLLUTION ,
but at this time of fear and salvation most of the world will be searching for the real answers,
since they just found out their 'BIBLE' & 'JESUS' that has been portrayed through prophesies for thousands of years long before christianity .
and also lets face it not much of the populas wouldbe able to handle the thought that we arent anything like we have been raised to beleive, and have lead their whole lives revolve around!
so in conclusion of my random thought ,ask yourself this one question :
Could the eposure of the illuminti be also apart of their GREATER AGENDA for man kind ?????
neways i better get back to 'work' haha not bad gettin paid to write posts on here lol ,
peace :)

[seer74]

thanx SEER !
ups from a senior member :)haha
just so ya know im only 20 years old but dont let my age depict my wisdom ;)
just wanted to add another thought to te situation we are in, jut the other day i was talkin to my very straight socialistic minded girl friend , an i wall telling her about david icke and showing her some of his videos on youtube (which i found alot easier to help me explain to her ,rather than just quoting his books) and afterwards her first remark was "well how do you know that hes not part of it too ?
what she said made me think about it quite a bit and after pondering over it fr a few days i came to a slight revalation in that maybe DAVID I. (in the eyes of the illuminati ) was supposed to expose them to the world and to create more chaos and confusion , espesially amounst religions and we all know how strong religious people are about there beleifs and what say the illuminati expose themselves on a global scale close to the 2012 .
so basicly what im coming back to is that there wil always be their AGENDA and by exposing themselves will create a, PROBLEM equaling chaos and in turn they will once again offer us a SOLLUTION ,
but at this time of fear and salvation most of the world will be searching for the real answers,
since they just found out their 'BIBLE' & 'JESUS' that has been portrayed through prophesies for thousands of years long before christianity .
and also lets face it not much of the populas wouldbe able to handle the thought that we arent anything like we have been raised to beleive, and have lead their whole lives revolve around!
so in conclusion of my random thought ,ask yourself this one question :
Could the eposure of the illuminti be also apart of their GREATER AGENDA for man kind ?????
neways i better get back to 'work' haha not bad gettin paid to write posts on here lol ,
peace :)

thanks for a very good post. I don't think Ick means to help the NWO ; I think he's sincerely trying to stop them. But yes, its actually nothing new for the Illuminati to reveal themselves in such a manner as to bring out the reaction that suits their agendas, like the Nazis saying that it was "the Jews" (twisted around but based on the Rothschild elites involvement) and the Masons worked for them and their trying to enslave the world. This was the TRUTH about the Illuminati, but with a bullshit twist put on it so as to get the German people to follow their puppet, Hitler. And history is full of examples of revolt against the elite bloolines guided and manipulated BY the elite bloodlines. I do see ways in which the illuminati will seek to steer the revolution once more. One is through the idea that in 2012 we will be entering an "age of enlightenment". I do not believe that enlightenment is ever to be found in the 3rd dimension, this is the realm of illusion. I believe moreover that by letting their work up until this time slip out they can generate the illusion that we have defeated them, and as we reach the year 2012 and the "age of enlightenment" they can let us think the time has come for all the world to "live harmoniously together" as one. They will give us leaders that SAY they are against the NWO, and USHER IN the NWO under the ILLUSION that we have defeated it!!!! We will then have a spell cast upon all of us that blinds us forever to the fact that we STILL dwell in illusion.

[yanqui uxo]

I really didn't buy any of the 2012 stuff until I researched Ian Lungold. He has completely open my eyes to what is going to happen. It is such a shame he left this planet before he could see what he spoke about come to fruition.

If you are still on the fence about 2012 and the Mayan calender, or if you know nothing about the subject and want to learn, I would suggest you read and watch Ian Lungold's work.


www.mayanmagjix.com

[3rdeye]

I really didn't buy any of the 2012 stuff until I researched Ian Lungold. He has completely open my eyes to what is going to happen. It is such a shame he left this planet before he could see what he spoke about come to fruition.

If you are still on the fence about 2012 and the Mayan calender, or if you know nothing about the subject and want to learn, I would suggest you read and watch Ian Lungold's work.


www.mayanmagjix.com

hey thanx for the recomendation to look up Ian Lungold
they have done some awesome research on the mayan calander and with the evolution of conciousness, i started watchin the first part on youtube and got glued to it and watched te whole hour or so of one of his presentations.
one thing i would like to state about it is that we must be careful because as it has been said the illuminati have attached quite a bit of deceipt to the mayan calander to confuse and imprison the sleeping souls.
peace :) and once again thanx for the referal

[seer74]

hey thanx for the recomendation to loom up Ian Lungold
they have done some awesome research on the mayan calander and with the evolution of conciousness, i started watchin the first part on youtube and got glued to it and watched te whole hour or so of one of his presentations.
one thing i would like to state about it is that we must be careful because as it has been said the illuminati have attached quite a bit of deceipt to the mayan calander to confuse and imprison the sleeping souls.
peace :) and onceagain thanx for the referal

one thing I am quite sure of about 2012 is that there is no reason to wait for that date before one can ascend. I am positive that I can ascend at any time, and could have quite some time ago. I still operate in the 3rd dimension for one reason and one reason only - to spread the word before I go.

[celtic isis]

The whole point of the Mayan calender is that their system just ran out of numbers... a bit like the Y2k.. thing.. everyone predicted the end of the world because our computers had similarly ran out of numbers. Nothing happened. Again nothing will happen.

It will prove to be a vast opportunity for a massive psy-ops though.. and if they can get enough people on board and get them to believe in it.. well, they may try to engineer their WW3..

Otherwise, nothing to see.

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

2012 isn't the end of the world though that's the whole point. Most of us now realise it is simply a transitional time for both the earth and humanity as a whole...

edelweasel you really do preach as if you know everything. :rolleyes:

Numbers and numerology are not meaningless, creation has a code and that code can be expressed or interpreted through mathematics and numbers. It is all a system plan. There is a very definite system to everything in nature and in the universe that we know of, this matrix stuff it's a possibility but nature and this beautiful planet we live on is too concrete for the matrix stuff to work.

Oh it's all a matrix, just sit back and live your life (which doesn't exist and is all a illusion) live you life inside your head...sleep it away, be complascent and don't worry about anything physical cause none of it exists anyway...you don't even exist!

Of course we all exist, we all have a purpose here to evolve and ascend higher after hopefully, if we learn from our life lessons, and are pure of heart, find that magic spark so many people do before they die (steve irwin for eg) some kind of knowingness of peace and love and life people get before they are taken from this world...

this world, we as humans are both spiritaul abd material. this world is material, it is our learning playground until we go to the next life which is spirtual, we leave our physcial self behind as it is only our shell.

How can icke talk about our "spacesuit" and then talk about the matrix and try and rationalise the two at the same time when they contradict eachother?

Time is an illusion, i do see that, time is something else that is part of this physical world...and used to manipulate us too seeing as this physical world of ours has been hijacked and humanity has been conned and kept in a prison and even of a prison of its own making through it's ignorant/innocent submittance and not bothering to ask questions.

I see time is speeding up, i feel it, we all do, we talk about it alot amongst family and friends...we're moving into the age of aquarius, into the awakening. Everything is changing, opening, looking, searching and at the same time condemning, fighting, stressing...i've only been here 25 years and it's never been like this, things are on a different level now and 2012 will be THE or a huge factor in all this.

I just hope the earth can heal itself and that we will have a better world after, that the truth will out, we'll all have a balance of material and spiritual again as we should have, right now the material has the monopoly...we are meant to have the best of both worlds here.

here's to the ah shan point :) and to humanity finally waking up and taking responsibility for our own futures and justice for the elite controlling this charade.

[celtic isis]

If you look at the London Olympics logo you will see the word Zion.

hello there kooo how are yoooo ;)
good to see ya!

[celtic isis]

There is no time. You are not actually here. In truth.

But in illusion there is time and you are here. And here we are in illusion.......
From here, the nature of time and space does seem to be cyclic. Since our consciousness is one and the same, it means our consciousness moves through space\time in a cyclic way.

I think the date we call 2012 is simply the end\start of the next cycle of consciousness. With this comes all the usual symptoms......
Our collective consciousness is about to receive an upgrade whether we like it or not. Your choice then is to either ride the changing waves or battle against them.

When they speak of the end of time...time is only a perception. So I see it as the end of the perception of reality in the arrangement we currently give it. Which is all sun based.

Our consciousness is moving through itself. We measure the movement in our minds and call it "time". We measure the relative seperation of matter and call it "space". Our consciousness is about to move past a peak resonant area of our own consciousness. What we call the next dimension......

This change is as sure as the movements of the planets. The controllers think they are God and are attempting to negate it's effects on humanity.....


FANTASTIC :)

[seer74]

2012 is neither the end nor a change. well, OK maybe a change (SORT OF) yet the more this illusion changes the more it stays the same. if its e temporal event, its B.S. and changes NOTHING of consequence other thatn to make the matrix all the more deeply ingrained.

[yanqui uxo]

2012 is neither the end nor a change. well, OK maybe a change (SORT OF) yet the more this illusion changes the more it stays the same. if its e temporal event, its B.S. and changes NOTHING of consequence other thatn to make the matrix all the more deeply ingrained.

Your constant negativity on this board is the problem. It's creating fear where fear should not be, confusion where confusion should not be. It seems YOU have given into the disinfo and fear mongering. I suggest you live by the words in your signature: "Fear is the mindkiller."

It is apparent you fear 2011 (by the way, the actual end date is 10/28/2011 - not 2012) but you should not fear it. Humanity has survived all 8 previous shifts in consciousness. The map of consciousness, the very essence of being, hasn't projected humanity this far and this long only to wipe us all out right as we are to ascend into the last cycle of consciousness evolution.

:)

[yanqui uxo]

hey thanx for the recomendation to look up Ian Lungold
they have done some awesome research on the mayan calander and with the evolution of conciousness, i started watchin the first part on youtube and got glued to it and watched te whole hour or so of one of his presentations.
one thing i would like to state about it is that we must be careful because as it has been said the illuminati have attached quite a bit of deceipt to the mayan calander to confuse and imprison the sleeping souls.
peace :) and once again thanx for the referal


You're quite welcome. :)

Please just spread his message to friends and loved ones. He is no longer with us to pass along this information, so it's up to us now.

[seer74]

Your constant negativity on this board is the problem. It's creating fear where fear should not be, confusion where confusion should not be. It seems YOU have given into the disinfo and fear mongering. I suggest you live by the words in your signature: "Fear is the mindkiller."

It is apparent you fear 2011 (by the way, the actual end date is 10/28/2011 - not 2012) but you should not fear it. Humanity has survived all 8 previous shifts in consciousness. The map of consciousness, the very essence of being, hasn't projected humanity this far and this long only to wipe us all out right as we are to ascend into the last cycle of consciousness evolution.

:)
I do not say we're all going to die in 2012!!! I say you will find ascension after 2012 very difficult to acheive. I say ascension will not just come upon you, it is something you must do on your own. I do not say 2012 is the end I say don't wait untill then to ascend. In 2011 it will be harder to do than it is now. And in 2012 it will be even harder. And there are only two reasons to wait untill then: A) fear or B) you're listening to all this process nonsense !!!!ascension into eternity a temporal process?? You've got to be kidding me!! I am not spreading fear and disinformation, I am CHALLENGING fear and disinformation!!!!
I do in fact live by my signature, and I'm not saying be afraid. I'm saying DON"T be afraid, go ahead, why wait? I myself am now waiting untill I am satisfied that I've gotten this point across to as many as I can, I shall be leaving soon, I won't make the mistake this time of posting when that will be, last time I did that I was hit with an ELF attack as I was prepareing myself, damn trolls on the forum!!! since I'm here still I hope to clear up confusion as best I can. Let me repeat, DO NOT be afraid. And don't wait too long either, the longer you wait the harder it gets. A couple of years ago I could have gone easily, it has become difficult because I've waited too long and the watchers know me too well. Next time I mean to ascend I will be much quieter about it.

[seer74]

And what more POSITIVE thing can I tell you than that you have the ability to ascend RIGHT NOW???

[tothestars]

Please remember that 2012 is a "target date"

it is not a fixed one.

[gordonfreeman]

Hey! Don't forget that the Powers That Be are trying to mess up some things up on Earth in 2012.

[3rdeye]

Your constant negativity on this board is the problem. It's creating fear where fear should not be, confusion where confusion should not be. It seems YOU have given into the disinfo and fear mongering. I suggest you live by the words in your signature: "Fear is the mindkiller."

It is apparent you fear 2011 (by the way, the actual end date is 10/28/2011 - not 2012) but you should not fear it. Humanity has survived all 8 previous shifts in consciousness. The map of consciousness, the very essence of being, hasn't projected humanity this far and this long only to wipe us all out right as we are to ascend into the last cycle of consciousness evolution.

:)

you are quite corrrect with your date there ,but i wouldnt go saying the date 0f 2012 is wrong either the date in 2011 you are refering too is when then new level of conciousness BEGINS , and im sure if you watched ian lungold you would be aware with the steps of creation and the length of the days ??
once we start the last step of consiousness in 2011 we will we experiencing 1 day of creation/evolution every 20 days there for by time there has been 7 'days' an 6'nights' of creation we will have come very close to dec 2012 ,
i beleive we all have the choice to make in that time love or hate ,be as ONE or further devide to be easily conquered.
decide for yourself ,
"welcome to the new dark ages , i hope your living right!"

[octopusrex]

Lots of folks, myself included will be working for something to happen, mon.

If nothing happens, then we have failed.

[seer74]

Lots of folks, myself included will be working for something to happen, mon.

If nothing happens, then we have failed.

if you fail it will be because you waited for 2012.

[ie11]

Time is an illusion. Numbers and numerolgy are meaningless, a plaything for obssessive personalities caught in the matrix...

you might have a point

although the numbers will still run, and we will see them, and they will alude to matrix events both on the physical and internal levels, the macro and the micro levels

but you might have a point :)

[ie11]

if you fail it will be because you waited for 2012.

another good post

[ichi wa zen]

I will release a book in 2012 called "Prophecy by The Unbufuus: The End of the World in 2024."

This will make me a billionare by 2014!

[3rdeye]

I will release a book in 2012 called "Prophecy by The Unbufuus: The End of the World in 2024."

This will make me a billionare by 2014!

thats providing your not under 60 feet of ocean by then ;)

[ichi wa zen]

thats providing your not under 60 feet of ocean by then ;)

So you think you can look into the future Hey! Please tell me, what will my mom cook tomorrow? I feel like some rice with chicken and beans. Me hungry.

Please tell! :p

I wish i had special powers like knowing the future but im just a dumbass who really knows NADA! :(

[3rdeye]

So you think you can look into the future Hey! Please tell me, what will my mom cook tomorrow? I feel like some rice with chicken and beans. Me hungry.

Please tell! :p

I wish i had special powers like knowing the future but im just a dumbass who really knows NADA! :(

lol i never said i can see the future ,
i merely use my unbias research techniques to the best of my abitity ;)
which has lead me to beleive that some awesome shit is gonna happen in the next 5 years ,forgive me for caring .. my objective is only to help, not create fear of any sort so dont be hating :)

may i suggest you invest in a crystal ball if you really want to see the future??
or you could just do what everyone else does and just sit and wait for the future to arrive ......although by then it wll be most probably be too late.

haha your mum cooks for you ?????
my spidey sences tell me that she will cook you that chicken and rice ! straight after she foldes your socks and undies ,wipes your bum and tucks you into bed :P haha

[3rdeye]

if you fail it will be because you waited for 2012.

hey seer :)
just had a thought and i thought you'd be the man to ask ...
when someone decides to 'ascend' as you say,what hapens to there vehicle in which the travelled this 3d world ?? (body) e/g does it die,end up in a mental institution ???
im not not taking the piss man actually quite serious .
or is it more just a frequency/dimension change from the crown chakra???
it makes me think of the amount of people you see who are born with autism or mentaly challenged in some way , and how possible it is that they are just tuned into a different channel ?!,so to speak anway.
an also hillucintations , which i can say i have had quite a few thanx to mrs AliceD and her freind shroomius maximus ;) and how possible is it that hillucinations we experience on such drugs ,are just spikes of reality from a different dimension ? i know it is very easy to explain this the conventional way e.g ohh thats simple its just because the drugs have dialated your pupils and is letting too much light into your brian blah blah blah ,
Recently i have been making myself more &more aware of the fact that the conventional /standard practises are only standard procedure because 'they' have made it that way, an once i realise that it makes me second guess everything i hear and that i have ever learnt ....

can i really trust my intinct ? since it really isnt mine, it is what the sytem programs us into beleiving that is our instict/initiative ... i now let my heart my my decisions for me and i havent had any problems soo far hehe :)

[jacob1111]

Excuse me in all seriousness what do you guys mean by ascension? Sorry I couldnt be bothered reading the whole thread so Im not sure if it has been covered. Seer74 do you mean ascension into the 5th dimension? Why dont you just go ahead and shift your consciousness, try meditation if that will help. In particular do a Vipassana course ;) Im pretty sure you will be a whole lot more effective in your mission if you "ascend" into the 5th dimension now, that does not mean leaving Earth or your body haha.
Peace

[wolfchild]

have you seen the film KPAX! it could be similar to what happens with kevin spacey! (you never know lol)
BUT' im not banking on any of this ASCENSION PROCESS!
as it could be total bollox and more of a OWELLIAN NIGHTMARE!!!

[ichi wa zen]

Excuse me in all seriousness what do you guys mean by ascension? Sorry I couldnt be bothered reading the whole thread so Im not sure if it has been covered. Seer74 do you mean ascension into the 5th dimension? Why dont you just go ahead and shift your consciousness, try meditation if that will help. In particular do a Vipassana course ;) Im pretty sure you will be a whole lot more effective in your mission if you "ascend" into the 5th dimension now, that does not mean leaving Earth or your body haha.
Peace

Hahahha Ascension is New Age Crap (demonic spirituality), dont believe in it my friend. It makes you lazy and ignorant. Ascension seems to mean that you are suddenly going to attain some sort of enlightenment by doing nothing to attain it. Yeah sure!

That my friends, is one of the biggest lies i have seen on this forum!

You will have to DO something before you attain it, its not going to be given to you for NADA!

[edit] Listen to the Buddha on this one: "The idea that another raises a man from lower to higher levels of life, and ultimately rescues him, tends to make man indolent and weak, supine and foolish. This kind of belief degrades a man and smothers every spark of dignity from his moral being"

[3rdeye]

Hahahha Ascension is New Age Crap (demonic spirituality), dont believe in it my friend. It makes you lazy and ignorant. Ascension seems to mean that you are suddenly going to attain some sort of enlightenment by doing nothing to attain it. Yeah sure!

That my friends, is one of the biggest lies i have seen on this forum!

You will have to DO something before you attain it, its not going to be given to you for NADA!

demonic spitituality in ascension?? haha
sure there are "demons" in certain frequencies that feed on our emotions , but just like the ones that feed on your hate there are the ones that feed off your love ,care happyness without selfishness of greed .
does ascension not mean to simply highten the frequency range of your awareness???
if anything is demonic, locking people into "ONE" frequency is!!!!!! it is also not something that is given to you you have to want it ;)

have you gone and bought a crystal ball yet ich wa zen ??? the changes in weather paterns are undeniable , if your meditation knowledge was that great you would know wouldnt you???

lol you crack me up with youir hipocracy , whats not lazy or ignorant about meditation ??? it is the same egg, for ascension is found through meditation .

just another educated (not just meditated) thought curtesy of phil:)

[3rdeye]

[edit] Listen to the Buddha on this one: "The idea that another raises a man from lower to higher levels of life, and ultimately rescues him, tends to make man indolent and weak, supine and foolish. This kind of belief degrades a man and smothers every spark of dignity from his moral being"

listen to buddha??i listen to my heart i reccommend you all do the same .
why not listen to one of the other 1000 religions ALL designed to uppose each other?? whats the difference ??
they are simply there to uppose, just like the varienty of languages on earth such a variety ,so that we as a global community cannot even communicate with our neighbour.
so with that langauge seperation alongside the religious differences and dont forget the racism that comes with the religion (e.g im right and your wrong)we as a global comunity are fucked:)and only because we failed to listen to our hearts and trust ourselves :)for we are all devinely guided.

"with out us they have no power , we have the power to deny them of their greed , so as a global cummunity we can take down the powers that be and start again . just a shame they have such big guns !! ohhh guns haha kill me see if i care its not me i care about , its every single one of you !!!!! :)

[3rdeye]

Excuse me in all seriousness what do you guys mean by ascension? Sorry I couldnt be bothered reading the whole thread so Im not sure if it has been covered. Seer74 do you mean ascension into the 5th dimension? Why dont you just go ahead and shift your consciousness, try meditation if that will help. In particular do a Vipassana course ;) Im pretty sure you will be a whole lot more effective in your mission if you "ascend" into the 5th dimension now, that does not mean leaving Earth or your body haha.
Peace

hey dude ,
sorry i can really not be bothered trying to repeat it al again but go back a few pages and have a look for when seer was explaining it to me, pretty amazing . but from there try google searching or even youtube searching it as some times having someone saying it to you is easier than trying to read . lol
just so ya know im just your average 20 yr old male in new zealand with nothing but good intentions to help :)

[ichi wa zen]

demonic spitituality in ascension?? haha
sure there are "demons" in certain frequencies that feed on our emotions , but just like the ones that feed on your hate there are the ones that feed off your love ,care happyness without selfishness of greed .
does ascension not mean to simply highten the frequency range of your awareness???
if anything is demonic, locking people into "ONE" frequency is!!!!!! it is also not something that is given to you you have to want it ;)

have you gone and bought a crystal ball yet ich wa zen ??? the changes in weather paterns are undeniable , if your meditation knowledge was that great you would know wouldnt you???

lol you crack me up with youir hipocracy , whats not lazy or ignorant about meditation ??? it is the same egg, for ascension is found through meditation .

just another educated (not just meditated) thought curtesy of phil:)

What "frequencies" are you talking about, talk normal people language, New Age hippie. The only frequency i tune in on is Radio 1 when my favorite soccerclub Feyenoord is on.

About the weather, they control it. Read Wilhelm Reichs stuff!

[ichi wa zen]

listen to buddha??i listen to my heart i reccommend you all do the same .
why not listen to one of the other 1000 religions ALL designed to uppose each other?? whats the difference ??

You can be a buddhist christian, a buddhist muslim, a buddhist hindu or a buddhist atheist.

Buddhism is a Philosophy not a religion. There is no contradiction here, you see?

[beldazar]

You know, I get a bit puzzled as to the word 'enlighten' does it mean to make lighter as in weight? or does it mean 'enlighten' as to make more light? or.....if you look at the english language....when someone says go on, enlighten me....they mean 'tell me something I dont know' Wonder where that comes from :D

[ichi wa zen]

You know, I get a bit puzzled as to the word 'enlighten' does it mean to make lighter as in weight? or does it mean 'enlighten' as to make more light? or.....if you look at the english language....when someone says go on, enlighten me....they mean 'tell me something I dont know' Wonder where that comes from :D

Enlightenment is nothing special or supernatural, its just the rediscovery of your true self.

I love this poem by Hung-Chih which illustrates this thought really well:

The true man of no rank -
What a piece of dry crap he is!

- Hung-Chih, 1145

[3rdeye]

You can be a buddhist christian, a buddhist muslim, a buddhist hindu or a buddhist atheist.

Buddhism is a Philosophy not a religion. There is no contradiction here, you see?

ok well i still choose neither , by choosing a group to individualise yourself from others you are simply helping the problem , we need to be moving closer together ,not drifting apart into even further devided beleif based groups! like what with the have next bretherin freemasons or freemasonic buddism??? haha

anyway i beleive it is not long before the merging of the christians so regardless of race ,language or beleif soon the bigger picture will be the greater agenda for ourselves as we each wake up , problem is too many think they are awake when truth is they are still in there tiny little shels they call "normal" or " socialy acceptable" or even better "christian" ha

i will let you in on something .. i have never, not once stepped foot inside a church or cathederal !, yet i have always had good luck, good will an intension and great people skills , go figure? now this does not conclude that i dont beleive in a god or many gods all it means as that the chapel that god houses me is my body/my temple????

for the last quite a few months i have began talking to god , everytime time i tell very clear that i ask of him nothing more of what i have ,as i have everything neccessary for survival, all i ask him is he help those who cannot help themselves , those who cannot fight the bounds of normality because if they choose against there governments wishes, theyb will be executed . it is those parts of the world i ask the gods to look after . i even ask him not to bother trying to heal me as i would at any second sacrifice myself for the good of others in need.
it is my wishes also that those involved in any manipulated war be it political or material be blessed an healed of the greed that guided them to be so selfish enough to slaughter 1000's of children and innocent people...endow them with much light so they may see the dark run through.

beter get back to work hehe ;)

[3rdeye]

I love this poem by Hung-Chih which illustrates this thought really well:

The true man of no rank -
What a piece of dry crap he is!

- Hung-Chih, 1145

what the fuck is that suppose to mean ??? any man with no rank is a peice of shit ? an that is suppose to be a poem ??? haha il write you a poem :

there once was a ich wa zen
who coulnt open his can!
he pulled and stuggled but nothing went budge
then all of a sudden he ran !

haha

[beldazar]

Just pissed myself laughing, he wrote that poem for me by the way, it was a really crap poem too :D

[3rdeye]

haha im glad you enjoyed it let me know if you want more !!! :)

i write music on a daily basis so alittle poem is no problem lol but you should read my last couple of posts in the forum "the true religion of christ" i think you will like it :)

peace man

[beldazar]

Yeah will do! Cheers for the laugh :D

[jacob1111]

Pointing out "what is ascension" just goes to show how much confusion there is of the subject. Its really simple, 'ascension' is like enlightenment. Ascending to the 5th dimension for example, ie the age of Aquarius. This can all be achieved in everyone's current lifetime. For me it was a ten day Vipassana course, and through good Karma's of the past, I found it. And so will you.

[yngwie]

Part of me thinks that nothing will happen come 2012. But then another part thinks that something will happen; simply because of the amount of people excepting something to happen.

[kasalt]

Part of me thinks that nothing will happen come 2012. But then another part thinks that something will happen; simply because of the amount of people excepting something to happen.

A lot of people expected something to happen at the turn of the year 2000, (Y2K for example), and nothing happened. Just another day, another year.

[ichi wa zen]

what the fuck is that suppose to mean ??? any man with no rank is a peice of shit ? an that is suppose to be a poem ???

You not getting that poem shows how clear and pure your mind is.

Mada Mada Da Ne! :D

[ichi wa zen]

ok well i still choose neither

You have still made a choice by choosing neither, your mind is stuck in duality.

[yngwie]

A lot of people expected something to happen at the turn of the year 2000, (Y2K for example), and nothing happened. Just another day, another year.

Good point, but this on has the Mayan calendar to back it up :D

[3rdeye]

You not getting that poem shows how clear and pure your mind is.

Mada Mada Da Ne! :D

lol an you thinkin that is a poem shows me how simple you are .

blah blah blah im not wasting my energy haha ..........

[3rdeye]

You have still made a choice by choosing neither, your mind is stuck in duality.

i would much rather sit on the fence untill i am 100% sure im right ,an i would much rather be "stuck" on the fence, than be someone who thinks they are right and start throwing bullshit down everyones throat before the know for sure ;)

i couldnt care less for duality on a personal level , its global duality i refer too ,the separation of communtities due to religion an race etc. NOOO we are better! or cooler who ever you think you are .
i beleive myself to be no more important than the next man .EQUALITY dear watson :)

[3rdeye]

A lot of people expected something to happen at the turn of the year 2000, (Y2K for example), and nothing happened. Just another day, another year.

that was computers man nothing more than a bunch of numbers .and it wpouldnt suprise me if that "y2k" thing was just a dummy so that people wouldnt care about "2012"
the mayans knowledge of the stars and along side there calander are very very convincing .trust me mate research it for yourself before you just brush it off an forget about it PLEASE LOOK UP IAN LUNGOLD on youtube.com
the research these guys have done is past extensive and will bow your mind . i can notice time speeding up can you ????the evolution of concioussness ,the days of creation , it explains alot . once you get your awareness higher you will begin to be able put the big picture together :) trust me .its just hard when you are still in a little box .

wishing you all the best for 2008 , has anyone noticed how the cops all over the place are cracking down on drugs ???this definatly tells me they are getting woried about people waking up .

[ichi wa zen]

lol an you thinkin that is a poem shows me how simple you are .

blah blah blah im not wasting my energy haha ..........

You have just wasted energy typing that message, New Evil Age Guru that is You.

[ichi wa zen]

that was computers man nothing more than a bunch of numbers .and it wpouldnt suprise me if that "y2k" thing was just a dummy so that people wouldnt care about "2012"
the mayans knowledge of the stars and along side there calander are very very convincing .trust me mate research it for yourself before you just brush it off an forget about it PLEASE LOOK UP IAN LUNGOLD on youtube.com
the research these guys have done is past extensive and will bow your mind . i can notice time speeding up can you ????the evolution of concioussness ,the days of creation , it explains alot . once you get your awareness higher you will begin to be able put the big picture together :) trust me .its just hard when you are still in a little box .

wishing you all the best for 2008 , has anyone noticed how the cops all over the place are cracking down on drugs ???this definatly tells me they are getting woried about people waking up .

Please, install more fear in the beautiful people, New Evil Age Guru that is You.

[ichi wa zen]

i would much rather sit on the fence untill i am 100% sure im right ,an i would much rather be "stuck" on the fence, than be someone who thinks they are right and start throwing bullshit down everyones throat before the know for sure ;)

i couldnt care less for duality on a personal level , its global duality i refer too ,the separation of communtities due to religion an race etc. NOOO we are better! or cooler who ever you think you are .
i beleive myself to be no more important than the next man .EQUALITY dear watson :)

Many words, must be true. You win.

[3rdeye]

Many words, must be true. You win.

sorry i didnt realise it was a competition ;)
lmao at my new name , new age evil guru !!!!!!!!!hahahahaha

call me watch you wanna call me
i just speak the truth , no lies
sometimes the truth just aint easy
just like our times ,far from cruisey ;)
f
ear of what , may i ask ?
fear of dying? i just laugh
i bring no fear, just the truth
stand in my way , i dare you too
i walk around whats in my way
to learn and grow , fightings just aint the way



is it the fear that drives us
is it the fear that controlls?
if there was no fear we wouldnt know???
what was coming and whats instsore!!
For the next 5 years
you better be ready
to live or die trying ,
or lie and try dying.

everybody:
TELL ME HOW CAN YOU SLEEP? THIS IS DEEP !
BECAUSE WE'RE ANIMALS , WITH GOLDEN RULES WHO
WHO CANT BE FOOLED BY IRRATIONAL FUDES ,YEAH!!
THESE ARE THE NEW DARK AGES ,I HOPE YOUR LIVING RIGHT!
WELCOME TO THE NEWE DARK AGES , YOUR WORLD MIGHT END TONIGHT!
quoted from Bad Religion best band ever!!


things just aint what they seem anymore
too much blood and farrr to much war!!
now try to look at life from the view of a birds eye
close both of your eyes , and open your 3rd eye
TRY to love thy neighbour , try to be a freind
peace and love to all or the above
just another spoken thought of wisdom, dont be hating im just me ,

peace out man courtesy of 3rdeye

[ichi wa zen]

During the civil wars in feudal Japan, an invading army would quickly sweep
into a town and take control. In one particular village, everyone fled just
before the army arrived - everyone except the Zen master. Curious about
this old fellow, the general went to the temple to see for himself what kind of
man this master was. When he wasn't treated with the deference and
submissiveness to which he was accustomed, the general burst into anger.
"You fool," he shouted as he reached for his sword, "don't you realize you
are standing before a man who could run you through without blinking an
eye!" But despite the threat, the master seemed unmoved. "And do you
realize," the master replied calmly, "that you are standing before a man who
can be run through without blinking an eye?"

[beldazar]

well itchy, as much as you have annoyed me sometimes, i thought your little story was really good! Thanks for that :D

[3rdeye]

me too nice story itchy,
might wana stick with strories though ,as your poems dont do you much justice ;)
sounds to me that the master is wel aware of the 3d world being the realm of illusion and has mastered its manipulation lol

[dane]

Yep Koo... (brilliant to see ya here by the way!! :D ) yeah ZION is there for sure.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif

All the Love Koo

Phoenix:):)

http://dogopus.com/blog/wp-content/themes/default/images/uksunolympiclogoepilepsy.jpg

quite violent too. i read something about it resembling a broken swastika too.

[ichi wa zen]

@3rdeye and beldazar, thanks, that is one of the greatest Zen stories i have ever heard, it is about fear. I did not write it myself! And i have never written a poem on this forum, i do like posting my favorite poems or stories. :D Some poems may lose their artistic value as they are translated from Chinese or Japanese, still, its about the wisdom in them!

Now, let us people be like that great Zen teacher in that story!!

[beldazar]

I will second that! :D

[3rdeye]

http://dogopus.com/blog/wp-content/themes/default/images/uksunolympiclogoepilepsy.jpg

quite violent too. i read something about it resembling a broken swastika too.

swastika = the same meaning as the christrian cross , the symbol of the SUN broken into 4 seasons ;)

[danster82]

This is one channeled message on 2012.

http://www.askrealjesus.com/K_JESUS_ANSWERS/Z2_PROPHECY/shouthousetops2012.html

[edelweiss pirate]

swastika = the same meaning as the christrian cross , the symbol of the SUN broken into 4 seasons ;)

No, the Swastika is the broken cross.

In French it's called Croix gamme... literally, broken cross or gammy cross.

You see these people advertise their intention through symbols.

[marpat]

I must admit I am unconvinced about the 2012 thing based on an ancient calendar. As I see it the Mayans created a calendar for one complete cycle. If they had still been around then perhaps they would have made another one. There are many cycles in Mesoamerican calendars where crisis points are reached, then passed, and nothing happened.

I do vaguely recall reading about the end of a 52 year cycle in the time of Montezuma when the Aztec people were in fear that the world might end if the relevant constellation did not appear in the sky. Obviouly nothing happened, which I guess they would have attributed to sacrifices they would have done to avoid disasters. Then again maybe their world did end in a more subtle way with the Spanish invasion.

[3rdeye]

No, the Swastika is the broken cross.

In French it's called Croix gamme... literally, broken cross or gammy cross.

You see these people advertise their intention through symbols.

lol NO ??? sorry dont speak french,
so then tell me this, do you beleive "jebus" was nailed to the cross ??
if so im wasting my time .

may ask your opinion on the buddist swastika???
for this has been round for a very long time and im sure the peacefull buddists wouldnt beleive in no broken cross ???

[quetzalcoatl]

I concur 3RD Eye - Y2K is no comparison.. Nothing a few upgrades didn't fix - no doubting it was twisted into a semi Orson Wells - War of the Worlds test public reaction scam.

That Zoin Olympic 'Logos' fucks me off too.. It's probably meant to irritate. I'm spazzing out! ;)

[3rdeye]

I must admit I am unconvinced about the 2012 thing based on an ancient calendar. As I see it the Mayans created a calendar for one complete cycle. If they had still been around then perhaps they would have made another one. There are many cycles in Mesoamerican calendars where crisis points are reached, then passed, and nothing happened.

I do vaguely recall reading about the end of a 52 year cycle in the time of Montezuma when the Aztec people were in fear that the world might end if the relevant constellation did not appear in the sky. Obviouly nothing happened, which I guess they would have attributed to sacrifices they would have done to avoid disasters. Then again maybe their world did end in a more subtle way with the Spanish invasion.

the reason they feared not seeing that constelation is beacuase they relied on that constilatipon of stars to appear fro they used it as a i signal to know when to plant their crops , this is exactly why they were such a large blooming civilisation .
and i wouldnt go as far as saying nothing happened ...isnt there a book with a a guy noah and flood??? worth considering mate

[marpat]

the reason they feared not seeing that constelation is beacuase they relied on that constilatipon of stars to appear fro they used it as a i signal to know when to plant their crops , this is exactly why they were such a large blooming civilisation .
and i wouldnt go as far as saying nothing happened ...isnt there a book with a a guy noah and flood??? worth considering mate

The Noahs ark thing was a totally different thing.
These were regular 52 (or maybe 56) years cycles within the Aztec calendar so obviously nothing to do with crops, unless the eat only every fifty years or something.
You have taken my post totally out of context. What has Noahs ark got to do with the Mayan calendar or the cycles I mentioned? absolutely nothing.

[3rdeye]

The Noahs ark thing was a totally different thing.
These were regular 52 (or maybe 56) years cycles within the Aztec calendar so obviously nothing to do with crops, unless the eat only every fifty years or something.
You have taken my post totally out of context. What has Noahs ark got to do with the Mayan calendar or the cycles I mentioned? absolutely nothing.

well its quite obvius you havent done much research on the mayan calender may i reccommmend you look up Ian Lungold on youtube and the evolution of concioussness ;)
the bible has EVERYTHING to do with these guys ther cycles you speak of have not always been the same legnth for example the mayans KNEW the earth was 54 billions years old , every cycle is that period of time devided into the 7 days and 6 nights of creation ... heard that somewhere before??? these are the cycles , the cycles of evolution and concioussness.
they knew humans had roamed the earth for 300,000 years , they KNEW that there were from extraterestrial reptilian decent .
they also knew how to move 200,000 tonne slates of solid rock in ONE peice using superconductors and magnets ;)

all im saying is dont underestimate their knowledge :)

[marpat]

well its quite obvius you havent done much research on the mayan calender may i reccommmend you look up Ian Lungold on youtube and the evolution of concioussness ;)
the bible has EVERYTHING to do with these guys ther cycles you speak of have not always been the same legnth for example the mayans KNEW the earth was 54 billions years old , every cycle is that period of time devided into the 7 days and 6 nights of creation ... heard that somewhere before??? these are the cycles , the cycles of evolution and concioussness.
they knew humans had roamed the earth for 300,000 years , they KNEW that there were from extraterestrial reptilian decent .
they also knew how to move 200,000 tonne slates of solid rock in ONE peice using superconductors and magnets ;)

all im saying is dont underestimate their knowledge :)

Sorry but you are not making sense. It is easy to claim ET descent but another thing actually proving it. I thought it was common knowledge that the universe is only 4.5 billion years old, so what you say sounds mental. If this guy knows that the Mayans knew this, then can he shed some light on how they knew this and then maybe it can be proven? I'll wager it's just speculation. Is that your research, looking at somebodies vid on youtube? so what about the thing you stated about crops and the rising constellation? I said it was over a fifty year cycle but your reasoning was wrong there. Maybe thats why the Mayans disappeared, they starved to death waiting for 50 years to plant their crops.

Different cultures used different methds of measuring time. Thats all these calendars are essentially, a concrete guide to the progress of time. The Mayan type calendar was pretty common in Mesoamerica and contained two parallel counts, a year count of 365 days, and a day count of 260 days. The 260 day calendar was then broken into 13 periods of 20 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_calendar

People go on about how much the Mayans knew and stuff like that but they didn't know enough to invent the wheel. And they could prophecy the end of the world, but did they see their own end in the calendar, if so why carry it to 2012?

By the way the seven days of creation is symbolic. It represents stages of manifestion not an actual time period.

There is really no purpose in stating people knew this or that if either it cannot be proved true or is of absolutely no practical use.

[beldazar]

All I can say is that everything I have thought of as common knowledge has been utter bullshit! :D Lies and deceit!

[marpat]

All I can say is that everything I have thought of as common knowledge has been utter bullshit! :D Lies and deceit!

Depends what you learned I guess. Would you accept that the universe is 54 billions years old just because someone said that the Mayans apparently knew this? what made their knowledge any better? people often state that the Mayans were a people who worshipped the Annunki/ reptoids and then they act as if the calendar is an absolute example of truth. If many of these ancient cultures were follows of the reptiles religions then why do people not question everthing they stood for. What if the Mayan knowledge was an Annunaki scheme to keep people from knowing the truth, then the calendar and other knowledge would be false.

[3rdeye]

Depends what you learned I guess. Would you accept that the universe is 54 billions years old just because someone said that the Mayans apparently knew this? what made their knowledge any better? people often state that the Mayans were a people who worshipped the Annunki/ reptoids and then they act as if the calendar is an absolute example of truth. If many of these ancient cultures were follows of the reptiles religions then why do people not question everthing they stood for. What if the Mayan knowledge was an Annunaki scheme to keep people from knowing the truth, then the calendar and other knowledge would be false.

your quite right i wouldnt beleive it just because someone told me , thats why i have ben researching it amost everyday for the last year .
its simple because how would they have the knowledge if it was not true ??? i dont think they have telescopes or satelites 5000 years ago did they ??? yet they have celestial maps of our galaxy which also include planet x (nibiru) which has an extrememly odd oval shaped orbit ,

you say how do you know its not the anunkai scheme to hide the truth??? thats EXACTLY why this is not common knowledge or teached in schoold etc .. and EXACTLY why the conquestidores were sent through destroying scriptures and calendars ,hoping that it would never be discovered .
and is also why it has taken Ian lungold and his team 7 years to decifer what was left of the drawings and carvings on the temples ..

they also say that the mayans were very frequent at practising mass sacrifices and that is what puts most people off beleiving anything about them,
but the funny truth is that the same sacrifices are still practised to this very day .. but are disguiised with and through WARS ,which are manipulated through beleif and religion to cover the true meaning of why 1000's of people die everyday .
well its either that or its just the illuminati's way of POPPULATION CONTROL ..

[3rdeye]

Sorry but you are not making sense. It is easy to claim ET descent but another thing actually proving it. I thought it was common knowledge that the universe is only 4.5 billion years old, so what you say sounds mental. If this guy knows that the Mayans knew this, then can he shed some light on how they knew this and then maybe it can be proven? I'll wager it's just speculation. Is that your research, looking at somebodies vid on youtube? so what about the thing you stated about crops and the rising constellation? I said it was over a fifty year cycle but your reasoning was wrong there. Maybe thats why the Mayans disappeared, they starved to death waiting for 50 years to plant their crops.

Different cultures used different methds of measuring time. Thats all these calendars are essentially, a concrete guide to the progress of time. The Mayan type calendar was pretty common in Mesoamerica and contained two parallel counts, a year count of 365 days, and a day count of 260 days. The 260 day calendar was then broken into 13 periods of 20 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_calendar

People go on about how much the Mayans knew and stuff like that but they didn't know enough to invent the wheel. And they could prophecy the end of the world, but did they see their own end in the calendar, if so why carry it to 2012?

By the way the seven days of creation is symbolic. It represents stages of manifestion not an actual time period.

There is really no purpose in stating people knew this or that if either it cannot be proved true or is of absolutely no practical use.

hahahaha ,
my bad i did mean 5.4 bilion sorry and then again scientist are still always recalculating the age of the universe but i didnt say the age of the universe i said the age of EARTH as not all galaxies are the same age and some die and some are born everyday.

for one : there was only 360 days in their longcount ,360 days devided into 18 periods of 20 days , the last 5 days were never counted as this was the time of celebration to the new year, this was the norm untill about 1786 when the gregorian calendar was introduced/inforced .

how do you know they didnt have a wheel ? their calendar looks rather wheel like to me ???
and for the last time im gonna say this THEY ARE NOT FORECASTING THE END OF THE WORLD ...THE WORLD WILL ALWAYS BE HERE , THEY FORECAST THE END OF THE LONG COUNT BAKTUUN CYCLE , WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE BEGINNIN OF THE FINAL STEP IN COUNCIOUSSNESS . UNIVERSAL CONSIOUSSNESS BABY!

but im not gonna sit here and argue with you obviously you have your view and i have mine .. and im fucking sure i not just gonna sit back and say ohh nar they cant be right because in "school" they taught me that these guys along with the egyptians were are PRIMATIVE race with no importance . hahaha like fuck .

the people running our world are 100% scum ,flith. just a pitty that we are al related to them and share the same 2 stranded DNA (unfortunitly) soon i hope to have 12 helixes dont you ????

even if it was true (which i beleive) people like you would find a way to dissprove it wether by using the bible or some other even more unreliable source .

just so you know "youtube" was refered to me not long ago i prefer to read , latley my favourites have been ,the foundations of quantam mechanics , thermodynamics , astonamy,cosmology,standard physics,electromagnetism a few from bill bryson and of course alot of David ickes books .
quantam physics in neurosceice and physcology which is a theory with respect to mind brain interaction .
occult ether physics -by nikola tesla (hes the man )
attension, intesion and will in quantam physics

thats a few that ive been reading heaps on and thats just the last few months and im only 20,
haha wonder where il go next

hold on yuo probaly beleive that jesus actually existed 2000 years ago ???and that the bible is true, if so once again im wasting my time cya ;)

[beldazar]

Marpat, all I can say is that the things that are considered 'common knowledge' need to be seriously questioned....such as
!. The government have our best interests at heart
2. Vaccinations are good for you
3. The earth is solid
4. The moon isnt hollow
5. Flouride is good for your teeth
6. Chemtrails are harmless contrails
7. We evolved from apes
8. We are the only living planet
9. There's no such thing as extra-terrestrials
10. Our history is accurate

I could go on and on, this list was once seen as common knowledge...but not any more! Only errr.......'time'...... will tell

[marpat]

hahahaha ,
my bad i did mean 5.4 bilion sorry and then again scientist are still always recalculating the age of the universe but i didnt say the age of the universe i said the age of EARTH as not all galaxies are the same age and some die and some are born everyday.

for one : there was only 360 days in their longcount ,360 days devided into 18 periods of 20 days , the last 5 days were never counted as this was the time of celebration to the new year, this was the norm untill about 1786 when the gregorian calendar was introduced/inforced .

how do you know they didnt have a wheel ? their calendar looks rather wheel like to me ???
and for the last time im gonna say this THEY ARE NOT FORECASTING THE END OF THE WORLD ...THE WORLD WILL ALWAYS BE HERE , THEY FORECAST THE END OF THE LONG COUNT BAKTUUN CYCLE , WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE BEGINNIN OF THE FINAL STEP IN COUNCIOUSSNESS . UNIVERSAL CONSIOUSSNESS BABY!

but im not gonna sit here and argue with you obviously you have your view and i have mine .. and im fucking sure i not just gonna sit back and say ohh nar they cant be right because in "school" they taught me that these guys along with the egyptians were are PRIMATIVE race with no importance . hahaha like fuck .

the people running our world are 100% scum ,flith. just a pitty that we are al related to them and share the same 2 stranded DNA (unfortunitly) soon i hope to have 12 helixes dont you ????

even if it was true (which i beleive) people like you would find a way to dissprove it wether by using the bible or some other even more unreliable source .

just so you know "youtube" was refered to me not long ago i prefer to read , latley my favourites have been ,the foundations of quantam mechanics , thermodynamics , astonamy,cosmology,standard physics,electromagnetism a few from bill bryson and of course alot of David ickes books .
quantam physics in neurosceice and physcology which is a theory with respect to mind brain interaction .
occult ether physics -by nikola tesla (hes the man )
attension, intesion and will in quantam physics

thats a few that ive been reading heaps on and thats just the last few months and im only 20,
haha wonder where il go next

hold on yuo probaly beleive that jesus actually existed 2000 years ago ???and that the bible is true, if so once again im wasting my time cya ;)

Did I state anywhere that I use the bible as a referenece? I think not. I just posted a link with the calendar stuff on so I don't need you to try and explain it. I feel that this comment was some attempt to make yourself feel superior.
Have you ever seen picture references to wheel items such as carts in ancient Mexican art? you may find round objects but no wheels. I guess you will say that it was erased from history or something. Maybe they rolled stuff round on top of their stone calendars.
You may be reading a lot of stuff but I doubt you will fully understand it as you cover a lot of complex subjetcs. You doing an engineering degree or something? and how do you truly know if the stuff you read is not laced with false information? I doubt that you have any real level of knowledge in all of these subjects. I could lists hundreds of books that I have read but it doesnt not make me an expert so stating books what you have probably just skim read does not give any credence to your arguement. Such vast studies are the pursuit of a lifetime not the dabbling of a 20 year old over a period of months.
You mention about them using magnets for heavy lifting but where is the evidence? if people like you know how they did this then why not replicate it and prove it? maybe it would be a whole new field of engineering.
I agree that the calendar is not predicting the end of the world, as my original post in this thread states that I don't think anything will happen.
You forgot to respond about the rising constellation thing refering to crop plantation. Guess the long period didn't quite fit in there for you.

Can you tell me what you meant by 'people like you'? I consider myself to have an open mind but I find it wise to use discretion rather than just sucking up a lot of the stuff that people are trying to pass off as facts. What I find is that statements like that are made as a way of trying to avoid explaining or proving what you state. If what you say is completely true then I would not be able to disprove it. A lie cannot disprove the truth. What you want is an audience of ready listeners who will take what you say without question, a bit like the Illuminati really.

Let me also state that I am not a christian. But on that note can you state categorically that Jesus did not exist? all you can do is speculate on history without any way of every really knowing, and yet you think you are so superior.

Also why do you consider my information unreliable but act like yours is written with the finger of god on a stone slab?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_calendar

[marpat]

your quite right i wouldnt beleive it just because someone told me , thats why i have ben researching it amost everyday for the last year .
its simple because how would they have the knowledge if it was not true ??? i dont think they have telescopes or satelites 5000 years ago did they ??? yet they have celestial maps of our galaxy which also include planet x (nibiru) which has an extrememly odd oval shaped orbit ,

you say how do you know its not the anunkai scheme to hide the truth??? thats EXACTLY why this is not common knowledge or teached in schoold etc .. and EXACTLY why the conquestidores were sent through destroying scriptures and calendars ,hoping that it would never be discovered .
and is also why it has taken Ian lungold and his team 7 years to decifer what was left of the drawings and carvings on the temples ..

they also say that the mayans were very frequent at practising mass sacrifices and that is what puts most people off beleiving anything about them,
but the funny truth is that the same sacrifices are still practised to this very day .. but are disguiised with and through WARS ,which are manipulated through beleif and religion to cover the true meaning of why 1000's of people die everyday .
well its either that or its just the illuminati's way of POPPULATION CONTROL ..

How do you know that Ians interpretation of the symbols is correct. People often see in them what they want. Don't you think that he may have wanted to reach a certain conclusion so put a specific spin on the symbols meanings?

I am not being difficult here, just playing devils advocate. No matter what side you cling to, accepted or fringe science and knowledge, the reality is that if the Annunaki are so complete in their influence then no sources could be trusted, even the ones that state they are trying to expose the illusion. I personally believe that truth cannot be kept hidden for ever and will always find a way to manifest itself, using whatever medium that is capable of giving expression.

I would not say that wars are the same as sacrifices. A sacrifice is made to a specific god at a specific time for a specific reason. The deaths in war are generally quite random. People are dying for one cause or another but that is about the only similarity.

Talking of advanced knowedge I do have a book on the Dogon tribe, who know the orbit of Sirius and that is has a small star in orbit around it. High knowledge for an old tribe. The also know the orbit is 50 years.

[cruise4]

http://www.dprins.demon.nl/convergence/9915.html

Worth a read if you want insight into what the Mayans and Egyptians may 'really' have known about advanced science.

An alternative theory on building massive structures could be 'built by thought' but disguised to appear built.

[wolfchild]

Well I guess What Matthew Delooze Said On His Recent Post Sums It Up Right Up Here!!!

[beldazar]

Wolfschild, what did matthew delooze say?

[ichi wa zen]

The Mayans invented Nintendo WII and Dolby Surround Sound YO!

[marpat]

http://www.dprins.demon.nl/convergence/9915.html

Worth a read if you want insight into what the Mayans and Egyptians may 'really' have known about advanced science.

An alternative theory on building massive structures could be 'built by thought' but disguised to appear built.

I have heard those sort of things before regarding building structures. In the Edgar Cayce reading there is mention of using the lifting power of gases for moving huge blocks. Whether he meant using ballon power or similar I cannot say.

When the article states the gematria for light as being 144 it is wrong. The Hebrew word for light is Aur. The numerics for this are A=1, U=6, R=200. Total 207

[cruise4]

"When the article states the gematria for light as being 144 it is wrong. The Hebrew word for light is Aur. The numerics for this are A=1, U=6, R=200. Total 207"

A quick search will reveal many places that say it equals 144. I expect there's dispute on language or something is there?

BTW the idea of thought building came from Ra and the Law of one series which I'm currently crawling through. Tricky concepts in there.

[marpat]

"When the article states the gematria for light as being 144 it is wrong. The Hebrew word for light is Aur. The numerics for this are A=1, U=6, R=200. Total 207"

A quick search will reveal many places that say it equals 144. I expect there's dispute on language or something is there?

BTW the idea of thought building came from Ra and the Law of one series which I'm currently crawling through. Tricky concepts in there.

Well the numbers I quoted are the accepted Gematria for this word. What searches say it is 144? can you post a link?
In gematria the Hebrew letter Resh (R) has a value of 200 on it's own so I can see no way of the value ever being 144. Not trying to debunk the info, but when I see something written that seems wrong then I like to get clarification of the source.

[cruise4]

Just Google 'gematria for light'

[marpat]

Done that and didn't see any relevant page. If you find the page then link it. Gematria for Hebrew alphabet is below. Hebrew word for light is Avr, though there are differences of spelling, all containing Resh. O is often counted as either Ayin on it's own or Aleph and Vau combined. W is counted the same as Vau.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/emagazine/031.doc
http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/shaar_hashamaim/archives/vaescha3.htm

Aleph 1
Beth 2
Gimel 3
Daleth 4
Heh 5
Vau 6
Zain 7
Cheth 8
Teth 9
Yod 10
Kaph 20
Lamed 30
Mem 40
Nun 50
Samech 60
Ayin 70
Peh 80
Tzaddi 90
Qoph 100
Resh 200
Shin 300
Tau 400

Can it be put any more plainly?

[adimon]

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix3/pic105194.jpg

See it there!!! :cool:

Is the new symbolism, where you have to move the pieces about for it to show what you want it to show?

Here's one I made earlier

http://www.enisa.europa.eu/garnish/logo/logo_plain.jpg

becomes

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7050/enisavu6.th.jpg

The symbolism is there for all to see.

[marpat]

Is the new symbolism, where you have to move the pieces about for it to show what you want it to show?

Here's one I made earlier

http://www.enisa.europa.eu/garnish/logo/logo_plain.jpg

becomes

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7050/enisavu6.th.jpg

The symbolism is there for all to see.

Personally I think that moving things around to show us what we want to see is an indicator that we are manipulating things to try and prove a conspiracy when there is none. I can go with the idea of conspiracy but some of the stuff out there is just a really tacky and really desperate effort to make something out of nothing. And how can you make insane with enisa? there is only ONE N!!!

[3rdeye]

How do you know that Ians interpretation of the symbols is correct. People often see in them what they want. Don't you think that he may have wanted to reach a certain conclusion so put a specific spin on the symbols meanings?

I am not being difficult here, just playing devils advocate. No matter what side you cling to, accepted or fringe science and knowledge, the reality is that if the Annunaki are so complete in their influence then no sources could be trusted, even the ones that state they are trying to expose the illusion. I personally believe that truth cannot be kept hidden for ever and will always find a way to manifest itself, using whatever medium that is capable of giving expression.

I would not say that wars are the same as sacrifices. A sacrifice is made to a specific god at a specific time for a specific reason. The deaths in war are generally quite random. People are dying for one cause or another but that is about the only similarity.

Talking of advanced knowedge I do have a book on the Dogon tribe, who know the orbit of Sirius and that is has a small star in orbit around it. High knowledge for an old tribe. The also know the orbit is 50 years.

sorry if i do come accross so strong in my opinion , just that im geting use to dealing with people that are only on here to protect there religion or beleifs , and again sorry for stereotyping you as i hate it whn that happens to me !ha

i do beleive your right there about someone trying to reach a certain conclusion may put a twist on meaning etc....
thus is why i have been looking into the mind, brain interaction of quantam physics , for at the end of the day ALL we have is our perception .
and just so ya know NO im not trying to do a degree in engineering or anything like that at all , well maybe something to do with science but at the moment im the manager of a tyre/mechanics shop , but im actually handing in my resignation today so i may further my careeer in music ..:)

i read all of this to simply be able to understand the complexity of differed perceptions , and merely listed those books to show you that im not just some young guy on toutube who watched a couple of vids and is totally convinced the world is gona end or something stupid lol

to further the subject on the superconductors and magnets : have you ever heard of white powder gold???
gold that has been heated to the temperature of the sun for 300 seconds and "supposedly" once that 300th second is reached there is an explosion of light and all you are left with is a white powder which makes anything it sits on weigh much much less???
this same powder has been traced through the egyptian pharoah's and even through the bible , for the bible is nothing but hidden/sectret metaphores and is definatly not to be taken literally.

its quite obvious "to me anyway" that the mayans ,aztecs and egyptians did not build there pyramids wth pure MAN power , for as you say they did not have "the wheel" so you can imagine how hard it would be ,even for 100,000 people to "drag" a 200,000 tonne stone slab without wheels,and keep it i one peice :) you dont have to be a scientist or mathmatician to work that 1 out !

sorry once again for ASSuming your were a bible basher ,just something about there conditioning rubs me up the wrong way :P

[3rdeye]

Did I state anywhere that I use the bible as a referenece? I think not. I just posted a link with the calendar stuff on so I don't need you to try and explain it. I feel that this comment was some attempt to make yourself feel superior.
Have you ever seen picture references to wheel items such as carts in ancient Mexican art? you may find round objects but no wheels. I guess you will say that it was erased from history or something. Maybe they rolled stuff round on top of their stone calendars.
You may be reading a lot of stuff but I doubt you will fully understand it as you cover a lot of complex subjetcs. You doing an engineering degree or something? and how do you truly know if the stuff you read is not laced with false information? I doubt that you have any real level of knowledge in all of these subjects. I could lists hundreds of books that I have read but it doesnt not make me an expert so stating books what you have probably just skim read does not give any credence to your arguement. Such vast studies are the pursuit of a lifetime not the dabbling of a 20 year old over a period of months.
You mention about them using magnets for heavy lifting but where is the evidence? if people like you know how they did this then why not replicate it and prove it? maybe it would be a whole new field of engineering.
I agree that the calendar is not predicting the end of the world, as my original post in this thread states that I don't think anything will happen.
You forgot to respond about the rising constellation thing refering to crop plantation. Guess the long period didn't quite fit in there for you.
Can you tell me what you meant by 'people like you'? I consider myself to have an open mind but I find it wise to use discretion rather than just sucking up a lot of the stuff that people are trying to pass off as facts. What I find is that statements like that are made as a way of trying to avoid explaining or proving what you state. If what you say is completely true then I would not be able to disprove it. A lie cannot disprove the truth. What you want is an audience of ready listeners who will take what you say without question, a bit like the Illuminati really.

Let me also state that I am not a christian. But on that note can you state categorically that Jesus did not exist? all you can do is speculate on history without any way of every really knowing, and yet you think you are so superior.

Also why do you consider my information unreliable but act like yours is written with the finger of god on a stone slab?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_calendar


the constelation i was refering to was to appear every year , and it was when this constelation appeared that planted for the best possible harvest . im not actually what 52 year cycle you refer to as i havent come accross anthing of the like .
ditto!!!! mate as what makes you think wikipedia isnt full of misinformation ???we only have the validility over the credibilty of our sources of research .and what makes you beleive your superior information lol no differencre mate i could just write the same stuff back at you .
i think this struggle we feel to know the truth is apart of the speeding up of concioussness , we must try not do seperate or differences yat combine them to make an umltimate truth :)

categoricaly i can garantee that religion is nothing but mass poppulation mind control manipulaton , thus anything that fals under the same category can be deemed B.S . there is written records of many stories that have been portayed 1000's of years B.C that say the same thing .... you know ..GOd who gave his only son jebus to pay for all our sins blah blah ..same stuff different civilisation a long long time before .. dont get me wrong no doubt there probably was a JEBUS but he my freind did n ot live 2000 years ago ... probably more like 10,000 .

did you hear about the first air strike in iraq after 9/11??? guess where it landed ...the fucking museum which "suppedly" contained some of the oldest written documents from ancient sumer etc
dare i ask do beleive 911 was a bunch of rag heads trying to "terrorise" innocent americans?????
hahaha or do you beleive it was an inside job???
apparently within a week of 911 over 2000 americans got themselves and there families micreochipped haha i pitty there poor souls , and really hope they are still able to evolve :( actually i may contradict that ...america has done not 1 god thing for this world , all it has done has create more and more UNconcioussness to spread around all the "following" countries . spreading fear, hate &war... meh actually they can all go and get microchipped for all i care ...
you may say that sounds cinical , but all of us do have an inner guidence that lets us know right from wrong .. its when people give up on their inner-self and inner -knowledge that i give up trying to help

for exaple i have never stolen a dollar ,hurt a man for no reason EVER nor have i done anything to anyone that i would not want it to happen to me. i treat every1 with complete respect ..untill they prove otherwise . its simple morals such as these that need to be spread throughout .. not laws or authorities.

cant wait for your criticism :) hehe

[marpat]

No probs 3rdeye. I tend to fight vehemently when I feel people are trying to belittle me.

The 52 year cycle was to the Aztecs like a century is to us. Your right that wiki could be full of misinfo, but I guess you have to start with something. When occultism was becoming popular in the early 1900's people often printed books with deliberate errors in them so they felt they were not breaking their secrecy oaths, the idea being that the errors will be obvious when you make progress. I still think that attitude stinks as it is taking money by deceptionas far as am concerned. It's just an example of misinfo which needs to be worked through.

I understand your enthusiasm as I started out just a little younger than you are now, got loaded with info and was on a studying high for years. The drag factor of life has slowed that all down but I have found that a lot of the stuff I read has been forgotten but I have also gained a better insight into some of the more persistent stuff.

It does seem odd that the ancient Mesoamericans had no wheels but this seems to be the case, which is amazing when you consider a city like Teotihuacan. In the Edgar Cayce readings there is mention of using the lifting power of gasses to move huge stones, but I am not sure if this is referring to balloons. It has been proved by experimental archeology that the ancients who made the Nazca lines cold have used balloons using materials available at that period so I see no reason why the Mexicans could not have done something similar.

Personally I would not go so far as to deny the legitimacy of religion as I like to retain an open mind lest I get blinkered too much. I hear you about christianity. I can tolerate them at times but when they start giving the moral talks and the self righteousness then that just fires me up. I am quite happy to cut them to pieces.

A lot of ancient sumerian documents were put into holographic plates for study so lets hope that the info lives on!!! it would be a bit embarrasing for the Americans to obliterate an ancient culture in the name of 'freedom'

That powder sounds familiar but I don't recall clearly. One powder found in the mummies of some Pharohs was cocoa, which could only have been gotten from the americas, indicating there was at least a trade route across the atlantic in ancient times

[edit]

Just Google 'gematria for light'Come on and cry, cry baby, cry baby, cry baby,
Oh honey, welcome back home.

Don't you know, honey,
Ain't nobody ever gonna love you
The way i try to do ?
Who'll take all your pain,
Honey, your heartache, too ?
And if you need me, you know
That i'll always be around if you ever want me
Come on and cry, cry baby, cry baby, cry baby,
Oh daddy, like you always saying to do.

And when you walk around the world, babe,
You said you'd try to look for the end of the road,
You might find out later that the road'll end in detroit,
Honey, the road'll even end in kathmandu.
You can go all around the world
Trying to find something to do with your life, baby,
When you only gotta do one thing well,
You only gotta do one thing well to make it in this world, babe.
You got a woman waiting for you there,
All you ever gotta do is be a good man one time to one woman
And that'll be the end of the road, babe,
I know you got more tears to share, babe,
So come on, come on, come on, come on, come on,
And cry, cry baby, cry baby, cry baby.-
Janis

[3rdeye]

No probs 3rdeye. I tend to fight vehemently when I feel people are trying to belittle me.

The 52 year cycle was to the Aztecs like a century is to us. Your right that wiki could be full of misinfo, but I guess you have to start with something. When occultism was becoming popular in the early 1900's people often printed books with deliberate errors in them so they felt they were not breaking their secrecy oaths, the idea being that the errors will be obvious when you make progress. I still think that attitude stinks as it is taking money by deceptionas far as am concerned. It's just an example of misinfo which needs to be worked through.

I understand your enthusiasm as I started out just a little younger than you are now, got loaded with info and was on a studying high for years. The drag factor of life has slowed that all down but I have found that a lot of the stuff I read has been forgotten but I have also gained a better insight into some of the more persistent stuff.

It does seem odd that the ancient Mesoamericans had no wheels but this seems to be the case, which is amazing when you consider a city like Teotihuacan. In the Edgar Cayce readings there is mention of using the lifting power of gasses to move huge stones, but I am not sure if this is referring to balloons. It has been proved by experimental archeology that the ancients who made the Nazca lines cold have used balloons using materials available at that period so I see no reason why the Mexicans could not have done something similar.

Personally I would not go so far as to deny the legitimacy of religion as I like to retain an open mind lest I get blinkered too much. I hear you about christianity. I can tolerate them at times but when they start giving the moral talks and the self righteousness then that just fires me up. I am quite happy to cut them to pieces.

A lot of ancient sumerian documents were put into holographic plates for study so lets hope that the info lives on!!! it would be a bit embarrasing for the Americans to obliterate an ancient culture in the name of 'freedom'

That powder sounds familiar but I don't recall clearly. One powder found in the mummies of some Pharohs was cocoa, which could only have been gotten from the americas, indicating there was at least a trade route across the atlantic in ancient times

sweet !im glad we have found a medium we can communicate on :)
thasts awesome i wasnt aware of their "century" or there trading routes ,see now youve actually taught me something now that we have learnt how to communicate heh

yeah mate dont get me wrong i would have to be soo stupid to beleive that we were an accident .. there is without a doubt a god /prime creator , im just almost certain hes not what the cristians portray him to be .
i can feel god everywhere i go,but that doesnt mean im gonna go to church everysunday and confess my sins ,stop having sex and stop smoking pot lol

TEOTIHUACHAN is the exact one i was speaking of with such big slabs of stone movedfor miles , it just got my brain ticking.the pyramids were quite obviously made by men as they looked just like bricks and werent a whole lot bigger .
one thing that really amazed me was the "SUN" temple , how when the started digging they found another pyramid inside that 1 and then another and in total found 7 pyramids inside the outer one !! i was really quite amazed as to why they would bother ???

i seriously reccommend you have a look at some of the stories privided by some of the scientists in regards to the superconductor white powder gold ... like how many have been jailed for tryin to patent such materials .
supposedly the pharoah's put this stuff in there bread and may quite well explain there higher levels of conciousness,why they lived so long ,and also why they have kept it such a secret for soo long .
i almost bought some the other day but i want to still do a little more research before i actually consume the stuff lol

you knoew how the body is to put in simple terms a circitry computer which uses neurons to pass electronic messages to muslces and the brain etc ..and uses water as the conductor ? well supposedly once consuming this stuff it makes the conductivity of the water in your brain and body increase quite considerably , as we al know gold is the best conductor for electricity .
but i guess they are trying to sell the stuff so they will go to extents to make people beleive its soo god , well they pretty much had me convinced .

haha damn americans and their "freedom" ohhh and ya cant forget their "change" policies, lol every single election year thats all ya hear them say change change change !!!
i thank god that im not that brainwashed ;)

may i ask what country you reside in??

[marpat]

I watched a documentary on Teotihuacan and was suprised when the archiologists were actually suprised that they found 7 pyramids within each other. I thought it was standard practise out there.
I vaguely recall that at the end of the 52 year cycle the Aztecs also built upon pyramids, which is why I thought it odd that they were suprised by what they found. The main temple at Tenochtitlan was built up in similar fashion I think. Basically the end of the period meant that all of the pots and decorations were broken, the temples modified and built upon and then repainted.

Think you are wise to wait before trying the powder as you might harm yourself in the long term. People can make caims on wht it will do but it could just be a placebo.

I can see why christianity can be off putting. The version that exits now is quite different to what existed hundreds of years ago. The bible has been changed over 40 times so it's hard to believe its the word of God if it needs so many changes.

I am English, so not far behind the Americans in the world hate table. Northern English to be precise so I don't talk like I have plums in my mouth!!!!

[3rdeye]

I watched a documentary on Teotihuacan and was suprised when the archiologists were actually suprised that they found 7 pyramids within each other. I thought it was standard practise out there.
I vaguely recall that at the end of the 52 year cycle the Aztecs also built upon pyramids, which is why I thought it odd that they were suprised by what they found. The main temple at Tenochtitlan was built up in similar fashion I think. Basically the end of the period meant that all of the pots and decorations were broken, the temples modified and built upon and then repainted.

Think you are wise to wait before trying the powder as you might harm yourself in the long term. People can make caims on wht it will do but it could just be a placebo.

I can see why christianity can be off putting. The version that exits now is quite different to what existed hundreds of years ago. The bible has been changed over 40 times so it's hard to believe its the word of God if it needs so many changes.
I am English, so not far behind the Americans in the world hate table. Northern English to be precise so I don't talk like I have plums in my mouth!!!!

haha nar you english folk arent too bad i have real good mate who is from Bristol , but yeah ya gotta love that buurrrminggggGam accent mann gets on my nervs ha

mm yeah me too i think in might wait till its a bit more public, before going in to be a test dummy for them !!
but as far as long term is concerned im not overly worried, i live life for the experience ,
an soo far im 100% happy with the way my experience has lead me in the last 6 years since leaving school (best thing i ever did),
an i like to think that if curled over and died tommorrow it would not bother me , no doubt i would miss my family and freinds but hey my time in this realm has been fantastic :)

re written 40 times? i new there was 20 odd but 40 wow!! now if their god was anything like they say he is im sure he wouldnt allow such a mess to be made around the questoin of his existense ....??

[altair]

So what is the best way to prepare? we can all do this im sure do you think if you understand it and are prepared for it you will be fine? TO be honest i cant wait!!

[altair]

Northern English to be precise so I don't talk like I have plums in my mouth!!!!

Gud Lad!! :D

[marpat]

So what is the best way to prepare? we can all do this im sure do you think if you understand it and are prepared for it you will be fine? TO be honest i cant wait!!

I doubt we can do anything. The only way you can prepare is if you know what is going to happen. Some people think it will be a good time others think it's bad. Obviously it's not so destructive for the Olympics to be held in London that year.
I still think nothing major will happen. We only have to look back a few years when hundreds of thousands of people were preparing for the end of the world in the year 2000 based on some ancient fears and ideas based on the turning on the millenium. Ancient cultures also looked at the end periods with fear and anxiety as they represent the death of that time period. Usually this gets offset with ceremonies, etc. with the intent of life being able to start a new period. It marks a period from the known going into the unknown and I think this is precisley the situation with the Mayan calendar.

[morrissey]

I'm confussed about 2012, Many people think earth changes, pole shift, split realities etc facts ares were in the decade of e.t disclosure and the climate is certainly changing not just on earth, I think with the E.t disclosure alone a major shift in consciousness will happen, especially when we see some E.ts lool like us or should I say we look like them.

Some good sources I've been looking at are Zen of stars my michael st clair
project camelot of been doing some good work in giving people a platform to speak, david wilcock aswell has been doing good,

Most people involved with disclosure are stating were in a transition and whatever happens when it kicks off the end result will be a evloved God conscious society.

The mayan's definitely knew that we were a generation in 2012 that would confront this major change, the mayans knew the location of pluto in the solar system which we didn't discover untill 1930, so I think they knew something we don't

[deliciously_fresh]

I can't speak with certainty and suggest that something will or will not occur in the year 2012.

But what I can do is continue to live my life to the fullest, help others (the best I can), treat others with kindness and just try to be a decent human being in general.

:)

[morrissey]

I concur my friend, but it still frustrates that people in power, priminister presidents etc to some extent know some of this, especially the E.t stuff and that has a lot to do with who we are and where we came from and the fact that its taken this long to even glimps disclosure is shocking. And the fact zero ponit tech is known, the dangers of the future are known and what do they do, they just sit their.

we real do live in a zoo in so many ways but 2012 and beyond I think its moving towards an eden, as distant and as strange as it may sound

[marpat]

I'm confussed about 2012, Many people think earth changes, pole shift, split realities etc facts ares were in the decade of e.t disclosure and the climate is certainly changing not just on earth, I think with the E.t disclosure alone a major shift in consciousness will happen, especially when we see some E.ts lool like us or should I say we look like them.

Some good sources I've been looking at are Zen of stars my michael st clair
project camelot of been doing some good work in giving people a platform to speak, david wilcock aswell has been doing good,

Most people involved with disclosure are stating were in a transition and whatever happens when it kicks off the end result will be a evloved God conscious society.

The mayan's definitely knew that we were a generation in 2012 that would confront this major change, the mayans knew the location of pluto in the solar system which we didn't discover untill 1930, so I think they knew something we don't

They are not the only ones to have advanced knowledge. The Dogon tribe knew Sirius had a dwarf star in orbit and that the orbit took 50 years. This was found out by 2 French anthropologists who visited the tribe.

One other interesting Maya thing is their use of the numeric value 0. I think they were the only people of the time doing that.

My attitude is to get on with my life and see what happens. If nothing happens then I will not have wasted four years worrying about it. If something happens that is not expected then what ca you do?

[3rdeye]

hmmm polarity shifts ;)
instill honestly beleive some major shit is gonna go down , but you can always trust that whatever happens you NOT goin to know the truth,
if it is as simple as the polarities shifting or even just a crust shift which would cause major fucking weather everywhere ,
beacuase al of the water & air curents rely on the present state of land mass , for example if you took 1 section like the skinny land mass from southern mexico connecting in to south america and broke them apart ,that 1 change in current would be enough to set of world wide weather changes .

the SUNS flares have increased in size over the last 6 month , bigger than ever recorded ! and this might also explain why nasa watched uranus's polarities shift 90 degrees not so long ago ..

haha and what better place to hold the olympics but in a city that is SOOO safe like london haha
"and when the levy breaks we aint got no place to stay" !!!

ill tell you what im gonna do in the years coming to 2012 ,
im gonna spend as much time with my family and freinds as poss, have already started but am gonna have a plan b if shit does go down , i reccommend a mountain top a few thousand feet high ,coz if shit does go down i wanna have the best view!!!
and also that way i can have a redible source of fresh water and plenty of animals to hunt (as im a bow hunter)
make sure that there is nothing that i will regret NOT doing , and last but not least fear nothing! and love every minute of it.

Altair im with you i cant wait either , ive spent my whole life hoping that something awesome like this would happen in my life time , as a song i wrote 7 years ago says:

id sell my soul
to your devil
for little more than 50 cents
and just for a little
bit of drama
(an out of the ordinary life for meee)

and come on god
smack me pleeeease im bored
off everything you threw at me
and of everything i caught

(am i crazy insane , or insane crazy)

little green men , with little green guns
couldnt satisfy my needs !
earthquakin' shakin' with a fuckin big wave !!!
im getting down on my kneees

lol thats a bit of it anyway but i think you get the idea ..........ya really need to hear it with the guitaring :)

[3rdeye]

They are not the only ones to have advanced knowledge. The Dogon tribe knew Sirius had a dwarf star in orbit and that the orbit took 50 years. This was found out by 2 French anthropologists who visited the tribe.

One other interesting Maya thing is their use of the numeric value 0. I think they were the only people of the time doing that.

My attitude is to get on with my life and see what happens. If nothing happens then I will not have wasted four years worrying about it. If something happens that is not expected then what ca you do?

and oif something does happen you will regret not doin anything about it !!
might just be me but id rather regret something i HAVE done than regret something i HAVENT!

probably not good news for thos who live in highly poppulated cities/countries
thank fuck i live in New Zealand where you dont have to heaps of people , and only have to drive for an hour and i can be on top of the most picturesk mountain tops ..

just a pitty i live on one of the biggest fault lines in the pasific , where the indonesian plate meets the pacific plate!

lol i had a dream the other night and could you imagine what it would be like if there was constant earthquakes for weeks even months !!!! pretty damn hard to walk anyway!! well so it was in my dream ;)

[morrissey]

Whatever happens, even if nothing happens I'm not worried because we've all lived and die before and were going to again

[3rdeye]

Whatever happens, even if nothing happens I'm not worried because we've all lived and die before and were going to again

bit of a reincarnation fan eh??id like to say i am but how would you know for sure ?? lol

[beldazar]

Yeah, i believe in reincarnation, it seems that most things in this existence are cyclical, why not our lives too? Just as in dreaming, you only remember it in the first few minutes, or sometimes just before you go to sleep the next night. Some people claim they dont dream, (like my mum) many dont remember them(my son) If you can only remember your past life in the first few years, how would you recall them? If you manage to hold onto your past life until you were able to talk, like some can, voila! Past life! (or vivid imagination some may say, I dont) :D

[2013]

If nothing happens that will be truely amazing!!!:eek:

[julieray]

I did a meditation last week and during part of it, I asked if religion was just a way of controlling the masses? The answer I received was a resounding yes. Then I asked if that was the case, why are there events in the bible that are factual. My answer to that question was because it had already happened! In fact, it went on to tell me that not only had it already happened, but it had happened again and again and kept on repeating itself from start to finish. This was because it was a cycle of events that just repeated itself over and over.

I was then reminded of another meditation I had had when I was shown a new earth being placed over the old earth. This too repeated itself over and over again, about 7 or 8 times or more. I was informed that this was because society kept making the same mistakes and did not learn from them, hence the reason why it kept on repeating. However, this time was different, because this time, society are learning from their mistakes and are waking up so this time around will be the end of the cycle that has been ongoing since before time began. We will be breaking free from this and starting a new beginning.

I must say that this made me feel very positive and could be looked at in very different ways, it could be the end of religion as we know it, it could be the dawn of a different understanding and realisation of what we truly are, but whatever it is, I think we should all look forward to the change whatever it shall be because it will be for the best.

[2013]

I did a meditation last week and during part of it, I asked if religion was just a way of controlling the masses? The answer I received was a resounding yes. Then I asked if that was the case, why are there events in the bible that are factual. My answer to that question was because it had already happened! In fact, it went on to tell me that not only had it already happened, but it had happened again and again and kept on repeating itself from start to finish. This was because it was a cycle of events that just repeated itself over and over.

I was then reminded of another meditation I had had when I was shown a new earth being placed over the old earth. This too repeated itself over and over again, about 7 or 8 times or more. I was informed that this was because society kept making the same mistakes and did not learn from them, hence the reason why it kept on repeating. However, this time was different, because this time, society are learning from their mistakes and are waking up so this time around will be the end of the cycle that has been ongoing since before time began. We will be breaking free from this and starting a new beginning.

I must say that this made me feel very positive and could be looked at in very different ways, it could be the end of religion as we know it, it could be the dawn of a different understanding and realisation of what we truly are, but whatever it is, I think we should all look forward to the change whatever it shall be because it will be for the best.

Interesting meditation this could explain how you start out with the best intentions but somehow get sidetracked and lose sight of your goals .Maybe some of those in positions of power are in this predicament also , being steered in the wrong direction and finding themsleves endlessly repeating like groundhog day:D

[julieray]

Interesting meditation this could explain how you start out with the best intentions but somehow get sidetracked and lose sight of your goals .Maybe some of those in positions of power are in this predicament also , being steered in the wrong direction and finding themsleves endlessly repeating like groundhog day:D

Perhaps this is the reason why we can never remember our previous existences, well most of us at least! What a load of deja vu we would be experiencing! It almost makes me think that we are trapped within a computer game like the Sims, someone sticks in a pound and we all start all over again until the pound runs out!!:D

[revolutionary_jam]

Get ready because nothing will happen in 2012......but... but... but... Gregg Braden said....

[2013]

Perhaps this is the reason why we can never remember our previous existences, well most of us at least! What a load of deja vu we would be experiencing! It almost makes me think that we are trapped within a computer game like the Sims, someone sticks in a pound and we all start all over again until the pound runs out!!:D

Makes sense as we evolve and evolve new ideas and technology surely they are just an extension of us anyway so we are really creating ways of understanding ourselves which is what i always thought computors where .
i once saw a play set around the early 20th century i think iit may of been by J.B .Priestly if not some other famous author .I found this reference to a series of plays he wrote , interesting on their own if they are not the one i was thinking of .I nthis paly time repeated itself over and over again and we made the same mistakes endlessley until once the character mananged to change something and thus end the loop .
Heres a link i ncase it was this series i will have to track down copies now and see if they are the same !:D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._B._Priestley%27s_Time_Plays
J. B. Priestley's Time Plays
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The 'Time Plays' are a series of dramas written by British author J. B. Priestley written during the 1930s and 40s. They are so called because each plays with a different concept of time. In each play an alternative theory of time becomes the central metaphor or theatrical device of the play, the characters' lives being affected by how they react to the unusual temporal landscape they encounter.

The Time Plays are usually thought of as including Dangerous Corner, in which a group of characters' dark secrets are wiped out when the play returns to the beginning at the fall of the curtain; Time and the Conways, which explores J. W. Dunne's theory of simultaneous time expounded in the book An Experiment with Time; I Have Been Here Before, which is inspired by P. D. Ouspensky's theory of eternal recurrence from A New Model of the Universe; Johnson Over Jordan, in which a man encounters a series of trials in the afterlife and, most famously, An Inspector Calls in which a family undergo a police investigation into a suicide they discover has not happened yet.

Of all the theories of time employed in the plays Priestley professed only to believe in one: that of J. W. Dunne. Although still popular with audiences and although many still undergo revivals regularly in the UK, critical opinion[citation needed] remains divided about their literary worth and the validity, or not, of the use of the time theories as theatrical devices.

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[3rdeye]

before i start i watched a doco last night on youtube called ancient machinery or something like that anyway ..
and holy shit you guys wouldnt beleive what the chineese had mastered over 2000 years ago!!
full workin machinery , manifacturing all sorts of metals even chromium which wasnt even mastered in the west untill 1950's , they obviously had a high unsterstanding of the elements and how they reacted with each other ..
for example they found a 2000 year old tomb which had some 1000's of moulded warriors to guars the kind in the after life but the most amazing bit is his chartiot which is made up of 3541 seperate tiny little casted peices of brass ,copper ,gold all sorts and they were all WELDED together 2000 years ago !!!
now to me this helps the idea that our NEW TECHNOLOGIES are definatly not as new as they would like you to beleive ..
also explains alot of why history of soo hard to follow , for they have destroyed any part of history that doeant match what THEY want us to beleive ... haha the egg shel is cracking open ...
but the day i see the bohemian cub doin a live interveiw on is the day the moon with turn red hahaha

[gordonfreeman]

Of course "They" wanted us to believe that way. Because if they expose too much about high-advanced technology during the ancient times. People will think that they live in a science fantasy world. Also, to not let the masses and students to know about the secrets of the machinery and advanced weapons.

Don't you just love the textbooks they provided to us with those politically-corrected altered edited histories? As well as lies.

[3rdeye]

haha yeah go mr freeman, i luv half life !!
thats exactly it aye , destroy any info that doesnt comply with the story they are trying to tell people .
dead man tell no tales ..dead civilisations share no secrets !!!! UNTIL NOW :)

now upon learning about ancient china and you match up the dots from ancient civilisations around the world around the same time , i ask myself well what the hell else are they gonna tell us now?? so the mayans .the egytptians, sumerians , chineese and more all had advanced knowledge of the elements, the spiritual world and even the solarsystem ,
i also remember reading a ebook that said about this 10,000 year old civilisation and they found this massive wheel/rolling pin looking thing ,with heiroglyphics written all over it , s they wet the clay next to it and rolled the wheel over the clay to reveal what it said ,
and supposedly this thing told a story of this civilation 10,000 years ago that had fashion shows,marriages and all sorts off spinny shit !.
crazyness i tells ya lol i wunder how many times our civilisations have been destroyed by means of floods or weather paterns from polarity shifts or even just from those who wish to rule us!!

heh weird :S

[kingdavid]

we have to beleve that something will happen in 2012 otherwise we will be stuck like this for ever untill we distroy ourselfs

[drael]

Brace yourselves. A wave is coming. War is coming.

[3rdeye]

we have to beleve that something will happen in 2012 otherwise we will be stuck like this for ever untill we distroy ourselfs

couldnt agree more but however i beleive we've been destroying each other for quite some time now ...
also i beleive that something WILL happen in the 4 years to come ...wether it be crazy ass weather like we've never heard of or world war 3 either way the public wiln NEVER know the truth .

i have 1 week left of work WAHOOO and from then i plan on writing heaps more music about the nwo and the illuminati agenda and asshole politicians in general lol with all of my spare time i will also be workin on my PLAN B getaway for when or if some major shit goes down :)
cant wait!!

[farros]

2012 is not a magic date, its an era we are living in now much like the industrial revolution.

It means we are the mole burrowing its way to the surface, but it will take decades and decades for the dirt to be free of our face.

stop waiting to be 'saved' in december 2012, its foolish and will only dissapoint you when you realise in 2013, your still the same old neurotic you.

enligtenment is not given, it is earned.

[farros]

Brace yourselves. A wave is coming. War is coming.

O RLY.

[drael]

O RLY.

O ranges and spagetti?

[brucef]

Someone buy that man a drink!

Exactly, 21-12-2012 is all about an era, not a single date in illusory time. We are already tucked very nicely into that era as well, so its to late to worry. Perhaps you did not all know but the alignment with the very center of the galaxy has been progressing for many years, we are now heading towards its end in 2016. There is time to bring about a new culture for the world if only we all pull our fingers out.

If you can't see the divine in the person next to you then your in trouble, don't wait till 2012 to realise that. If you want peace, be peace. The universe is not 'out to get us' in some way. I we live right, our live will flow right and there will be no need to worry. I don't pretend that change comes easy, or the birthing pangs don't hurt (ask the nearest mother). In the end though they are just the precursor to something amazing.

When the time comes for change, be that change. As the Borg like to say, "resistance is futile".