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december
19-07-2007, 03:41 AM
18/ 07/ 2007

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MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti political commentator Vladimir Simonov) - It is commonplace that actions can have unintended consequences. Sometimes, however, the consequences of a particular action are all too predictable.

When David Miliband, Britain's new foreign secretary, announced his decision to expel four Russian diplomats and suspend attempts to streamline visa procedures between the two countries, his audience in the House of Commons was already thinking of Moscow's reply.

Elementary, my dear Watson! The sanctions with which Britain has chosen to express its irritation at Russia's refusal to extradite Andrei Lugovoi, charged with the poisoning of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko, are certain to provoke a mirror-image response. By trying to punish Russia, Britain is punishing itself in equal measure.

The British government is running the risk of doing much greater damage to itself than it may seem at first glance. Such absurd sanctions are bound to produce a negative effect on bilateral economic, trade and cultural relations.

Kingfisher, a major British building materials company, is planning to double the number of household furnishings shops it has in Russia to 400. It would be difficult for Miliband to convince its executives that he has made a sensible diplomatic move. Likewise, tougher visa procedures are not likely to please the growing Russian community in London, which is enthusiastically buying local real estate and investing lavishly in the British economy. In the last five years, bilateral trade has gone up by 200%, and Russian investment in Britain totaled $6 billion in 2006 alone.

London's attempts to politicize what is a strictly criminal case may threaten to damage the impressive and sophisticated edifice of mutually beneficial relations and cultural affinity that has been built over many decades.

Miliband wants Russia either to violate the 61st clause of its constitution, which prohibits the extradition of Russian nationals, or to change it - no more and no less.

Law-abiding Britain would be interested to learn that Russia has been through this before. In 2002, it handed over Murad Garabayev to Turkmenistan at the request of that country's authorities. This, however, was a mistake because he happened to be a Russian national. Moscow had to make quite an effort to get him back. Later on, Garabayev sued Russia in the European Court of Human Rights for violating its own constitution and won 20,000 euros.

"After the incident with Turkmenistan we learnt a bitter lesson, so we no longer extradite our citizens," said Mikhail Margelov, head of the Federation Council Committee on International Affairs. "We were expected to [obey the rule of law] and that is exactly what we are doing," he added.

As for Miliband's extravagant demand that Russia should urgently change its constitution, Britain's own experience shows that this is a very dubious option. Under strong U.S. pressure, Britain passed a law on extradition in 2003, but this has not prevented it from refusing to extradite people who have been charged with the most grievous crimes.

There are dozens of examples. In the early 1990s, the United States requested that Britain hand over Sheikh Abu Hamza, who had been training terrorists and raising money for acts of terror from British Muslims for years. He was doing this in broad daylight in a London mosque right under the police's nose. London turned down its closest ally's request, and Abu Hamza is now serving a light sentence in a British prison.

Britain has repeatedly ignored the requests of the Russian Prosecutor's Office to extradite businessman Boris Berezovsky and Chechen ex-commando Akhmed Zakayev on the basis of the 1957 European Convention on Extradition. The former is charged with five crimes, including fraud and planning to violently overthrow the government. The latter is accused of being a member of terrorist groups and of participating in kidnapping and torture. The Crown Prosecution Service rejected the irrefutable evidence provided by Russia as insufficient.

A spokesman for the Russian Foreign Ministry said that London's statement on sanctions against Russia was primarily prompted by the desire to justify its reluctance to cooperate in extraditing Berezovsky and Zakayev. He described Britain's conduct as unethical.

The circumstances surrounding Litvinenko's mysterious death are becoming more and more confusing every day. Recently, a 67-year-old waiter from a bar in the London Millennium Hotel testified that on November 1 (the alleged date of Litvinenko's poisoning with polonium), while he was bringing tea to the table of Litvinenko, Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun, another ex-spy who was also poisoned with polonium, somebody tried to block his way. Scotland Yard has yet to deal with this important testimony.

This is just a detail, but it points to major shortcoming in the British inquiry into Litvinenko's case. Nobody in Russia has seen the results of the post-mortem or any other tangible evidence. Many Russian analysts and policymakers believe that Britain has something to hide in connection with the mysterious death of the ex-FSB agent.

"The British authorities are primarily trying to get Lugovoi out of Russia to prevent him from disclosing what he knows about the operations of British secret services," said Konstantin Kosachev, who heads the International Affairs Committee of the lower house of Russia's parliament. "Apparently, they are hoping that if they get him to Britain, they will manage to suppress his testimony. But that is not going to happen."

In general, London's reaction to Russia's claim that it must obey its constitution and prevent politics from interfering with a criminal investigation is archaic in the extreme. After all, the expulsion of diplomats is a symbolic weapon from the Cold War and is incapable of resolving modern problems. Moscow would like to believe that this obviously futile maneuver was prompted by the lack of experience of the young and emotional new Foreign Office leaders who are trying to assert themselves.

But Miliband is absolutely right about one point: Russia remains one of Britain's key partners on the world stage. I would add that this remains true in spite of any ups and downs in the two countries' relations. Today, many Brits and Russians expect their politicians to display reasonable restraint in order to preserve this shared asset.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070718/69165777.html

december
19-07-2007, 03:44 AM
UK expels Russian diplomats. Video

Britain is to expel four Russian diplomats over Moscow's refusal to extradite the main suspect in the murder of former KGB agent, Alexander Litvinenko. Russia condemned the expulsions as "immoral" and said the move would have "serious consequences."

http://en.rian.ru/video/20070717/69089911.html

edelweiss pirate
19-07-2007, 02:55 PM
I'm glad Brown did something....

Russia's actions were terrorist... poisoning half of London with Polonium... only the Russians would be as heavy handed and insane to do such a thing...

Russian leaders are dangerous maniacs.. always have been always will be.

cleopatraxxx
19-07-2007, 04:03 PM
I'm glad Brown did something....

Russia's actions were terrorist... poisoning half of London with Polonium... only the Russians would be as heavy handed and insane to do such a thing...

Russian leaders are dangerous maniacs.. always have been always will be.
looks like many on this forum learnt NOTHING of what Icke has tried to teach us...
illusions-
reality-
love, love, love, love, love, love, love....... who knows what love is? u think it is sex? no it is not... love is respect, trust, friendhsip, ....

it is more than time to stop the wars
accusing and poiNting fingers never solves a problem

CLeoXXX

december
19-07-2007, 04:17 PM
looks like not many on this forum learnt NOTHING of what Icke has tried to teach us...
illusions-
reality-
love, love, love, love, love, love, love....... who knows what love is? u think it is sex? no it is not... love is respect, trust, friendhsip, ....

it is more than time to stop the wars
accusing and poiting fingers never solves a problem

CLeoXXX


This guy just hates Russia or he simply repeats what he hears on BBC and other Illuminati "news" sources like CNN...

:)

cleopatraxxx
19-07-2007, 04:31 PM
This guy just hates Russia or he simply repeats what he hears on BBC and other Illuminati "news" sources like CNN...

:)
Dear December, apart loving so much Russia, do you love the UK and the USA too that much? ;)

Warm hugs

CLeoXXX

i try being neutral, because all is an illusion and manipulation..
and i wish to see the planet united under the flag of friendship on all levels...

i also liked your post where in the text says that both English and Russian should keep working together (economically and politically too) and that they are more allied than seems at firts glance.. so why spoil all the good that has been constructed in the last 20 years???

XXX

truthseeker1980
19-07-2007, 05:15 PM
It's all propoganda to make the UK public think it's Russia and to make the Russian public think it us. Enciting both populations to slowly start to hate each other, to eventually lead to WW3.

When will you see that December?

It's all an illusion and in two senses, the sense that we are in a matrix and everything is illusion, but for the unawakened it's an illusion that they are on different sides.

I know December will say where's the proof, but was your hero Putin not a KGB agent in the cold war, so how can he not be illuminati?

cleopatraxxx
19-07-2007, 05:43 PM
It's all propoganda to make the UK public think it's Russia and to make the Russian public think it us. Enciting both populations to slowly start to hate each other, to eventually lead to WW3.

When will you see that December?

It's all an illusion and in two senses, the sense that we are in a matrix and everything is illusion, but for the unawakened it's an illusion that they are on different sides.

I know December will say where's the proof, but was your hero Putin not a KGB agent in the cold war, so how can he not be illuminati?

THANK YOU Truthseeker1980
i agree.

...that propaganda helps no one living in peace on any of the soils ...
the ignorants will start hating each other, cause are all sheeple... that is where the illuminati win: they keep humans in ignorance through school teachings of false sciences, politics, etc,,,, and thus we remain in this darkness... :(
what a waste for this planet, human beeings....:(

CLeoXXX

december
19-07-2007, 06:21 PM
It's all propoganda to make the UK public think it's Russia and to make the Russian public think it us. Enciting both populations to slowly start to hate each other, to eventually lead to WW3.

When will you see that December?

It's all an illusion and in two senses, the sense that we are in a matrix and everything is illusion, but for the unawakened it's an illusion that they are on different sides.

I know December will say where's the proof, but was your hero Putin not a KGB agent in the cold war, so how can he not be illuminati?

Truthseeker1980, you must be a teenager to make such claims...
Do you really think that they give a f*ck about what YOU think?

No, they don't.

Do, quit your childish dream thoughts already...

cleopatraxxx
19-07-2007, 06:39 PM
Truthseeker1980, you must be a teenager to make such claims...
Do you really think that they give a f*ck about what YOU think?

No, they don't.

Do, quit your childish dream thoughts already...

why are you this way DECEMBER?
always on the attack, pure tactics of defence on your behalf... but why?

i am sorry for you...

december
19-07-2007, 08:05 PM
Zhirinovsky condemns London's move, highlights security danger


19/ 07/ 2007



MOSCOW, July 19 (RIA Novosti) - Vladimir Zhirinovsky, an outspoken nationalist lawmaker, warned the United Kingdom that losing Russia as a counter-terrorism partner, due to the diplomatic fight it has picked with Moscow, compromises British security.

In a reciprocal response to London's expulsion of four Russian diplomats three days ago, Moscow sent home four British diplomats Thursday, and announced a halt to anti-terrorism cooperation with the U.K.

Zhirinovsky, a deputy speaker of parliament's lower house, who leads the Liberal Democratic Party, told journalists: "each year in Great Britain terrorist attacks are committed or prevented, and by ending cooperation, officials in London are putting ordinary British citizens in danger."

London's announcement came after Moscow gave its official refusal to extradite Andrei Lugovoi, who Scotland Yard suspects of murdering former Russian security officer Alexander Litvinenko in London last November. Russia bases its decision on the Constitution, which forbids the extradition of Russian nationals.

Zhirinovsky said: "We have always striven for cooperation with Britain, and in response they've shown us their fist, and then expect us to cooperate with them."

"England should return our diplomats or invite new ones, and consider the issue closed. Now everything depends on the British side - it wasn't Russia that picked this quarrel," he said.

However, the nationalist politician stressed that he had no bone to pick with the British people, and said he expected the conflict to be over, and relations to return to normal, within two or three weeks.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070719/69294191.html

december
19-07-2007, 10:09 PM
The British are crying now...
And BBC posts this stuff on the front page!

Russia is to expel four UK embassy staff in the row over Moscow's refusal to extradite the man suspected of Alexander Litvinenko's murder.

UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband said he was "disappointed" by what he called a "completely unjustified" move.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6906481.stm

december
20-07-2007, 04:27 PM
Russia blames U.K. for halt in antiterrorism cooperation

20/ 07/ 2007


MOSCOW, July 20 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Foreign Ministry said Friday that Britain was to blame for Moscow's suspension of bilateral counter-terrorism cooperation, as the U.K. first suspended ties with Russia's main antiterrorism agency.

Russia expelled four British diplomats Thursday and suspended cooperation in fighting terrorism with Britain, following London's expulsions of Russians, amid a bitter row over Moscow's refusal to extradite the main suspect in the murder of former security officer Alexander Litvinenko, a British national.

Ministry Spokesman Mikhail Kamynin said in a statement that cooperation against terrorism was impossible as London "has said it is suspending all kinds of partnership with the FSB [Federal Security Service], the body that spearheads Russia's antiterrorism efforts."

British prosecutors have charged multi-millionaire businessman Andrei Lugovoi, a former Kremlin bodyguard, with poisoning Litvinenko with a radioactive polonium isotope at a London hotel in November. Lugovoi denies the charges, and Russia says its Constitution does not allow for the extradition of its nationals.

European countries and the United States have backed London in the dispute, urging Russia to extradite the suspect.

President Vladimir Putin, speaking after a meeting with Hungarian and Finish leaders in the Russian Republic of Mordovia Thursday, played down the dispute with London, calling it a "mini-crisis".

"I am sure that Russian-British relations will develop in an appropriate way... Both Russia and Britain are interested in boosting their cooperation," Putin said.

Russia's foreign minister said earlier that London had failed to set out its case against Lugovoi.

"We have still not been provided with the [Litvinenko] case files and do not know what exactly prompted British prosecutors to charge him [Lugovoi], and obviously we cannot violate our laws, just as Britain cannot violate its laws," Sergei Lavrov said.

Lavrov also suggested that the British measures were a "test of strength" by the country's new Cabinet. "In many respects, it is a new-government factor," he said, adding that Prime Minister Gordon Brown could eventually find an appropriate tone in dealing with Russia.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070720/69356908.html

december
25-07-2007, 03:02 AM
Putin calls London's extradition demand 'vestige of colonialism'


24/ 07/ 2007



ZAVIDOVO (northwest Russia), July 24 (RIA Novosti) - President Vladimir Putin said Britain's demand that Russia amend its Constitution to extradite a suspect in the murder of Alexander Litvinenko shows the country retains a colonialist mentality.

"What they are proposing is obviously a vestige of colonial thinking," Putin said at a meeting with youth organizations at the presidential residence in Zavidovo, in the Tver Region.

Russia has refused to extradite Kremlin bodyguard-turned-businessman Andrei Lugovoi, London's chief suspect in the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, a British national, with radioactive polonium in London in November. Moscow says evidence provided by London has been insufficient, and that the Constitution expressly forbids the extradition of Russian nationals.

The row heated up last week, when the two countries expelled each others' diplomats, imposed mutual visa restrictions and suspended anti-terrorism cooperation.

British Ambassador to Russia Anthony Brenton suggested Monday that Russia could amend its Constitution to make progress in the case.

Putin retorted that London is still harboring 30 people wanted in Russia on grave charges. The most high-profile of these are fugitive tycoon Boris Berezovsky, accused of massive fraud and instigating a coup in Russia, and Chechen emissary Akhmed Zakayev, considered a terrorist by Moscow. Russia's repeated requests for the extradition of both men have been repeatedly rejected by London.

"They do not extradite people who are hiding on their territory, including individuals suspected of or charged with terrorist activities, but make serious claims to other countries and give insulting recommendations to change the Constitution," Putin said. "Partners deserve greater respect," he added.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070724/69591666.html

december
27-07-2007, 02:41 AM
U.K. government "foolish" to attack Russian law - FT editor

26/ 07/ 2007


MOSCOW/LONDON, July 26 (RIA Novosti) - The British Government acted "offensively" and "foolishly" by urging Russia to change its constitution to enable the extradition of a suspect in a high-profile murder case, a senior editor with The Financial Times said Thursday.

"It was very offensive for the British government to say, so what if it's in your constitution? So I think that was a very foolish move as well." said Quentin Peel, FT international editor, in London during a video conference with RIA Novosti.

Any Russian suspect, he said, must be tried in Moscow, in line with Russian prosecutors' earlier proposals.

"Whoever is in charge should be put on trial in Moscow, in a totally public setting, with absolute publicity and all the evidence that can be produced," Peel said.

Moscow refused to extradite Russian national Andrei Lugovoi, accused by the U.K. of poisoning Alexander Litvinenko, a British citizen, by radioactive polonium-210 last year in London, because the Russian constitutional does not permit the extradition of nationals. The row escalated into diplomatic expulsions and harsh rhetoric on both sides.

Peel said that the Litvenenko case was "the straw that broke the camel's back" in tipping the balance of misunderstanding in the Russia-U.K. relationship, bringing it to "not outright hostility but certainly some very stupid and counterproductive actions on both sides."

He dismissed Russia's complaints about the failure by Britain to extradite wanted Russians, first of all Boris Berezovsky, a fugitive billionaire accused of serious fraud, and Akhmed Zakayev, a former Chechen separatist leader charged with terrorism.

"The original legal requests for extraditing Berezovsky were actually very poorly drafted," Peel said. "As far as Mr. Zakayev is concerned, his defense in the British courts has always been that he is not a terrorist."

When asked whether he had trust in British justice, Peel said he as an ordinary citizen trusted the system "ninety-five percent."

"I think if I were a young black youth from a very poor area of London, I would feel differently. I would have worried that the courts are against me. But as a white citizen of this country, I have almost total trust that this is a good system that will give me a fair trial," he said. Most judges are white and middle class, he added, and "might instinctively act with the establishment but they would never take political instructions."

Peel denied any British interests were involved in the murder.

"This was a Russian-Russian event that just happened to take place in London," he said, adding that "Poor old Britain has been caught in the middle of this insane Russian-Russian squabble."

He said widespread Russian conviction that the U.K. was playing a nasty political game against Moscow was irrelevant, if only because London cannot play such games any more.

"We are not big players any longer, we have been completely screwed up by following the Americans into Iraq, we are getting into a terrible mess in Afghanistan, and if you think that we have some sort of a game going in the Caucasus or Central Asia, then you are living in the 19th century when we did the Great Game going, and of course that's where an awful lot of this wonderful old rivalry came from," Quentin Peel said.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070726/69759741.html

december
08-08-2007, 12:18 AM
Russia says U.K. failed to prove Berezovsky attacker was Russian

07/ 08/ 2007


LONDON, August 7 (RIA Novosti) - The U.K. has failed to submit evidence that a man accused in late June of planning to assassinate fugitive tycoon Boris Berezovsky is a Russian national, Russia's ambassador in London said Tuesday.

"The documents submitted by the British Foreign Office to the Russian Embassy do not make it clear that the person who allegedly planned to kill businessman Boris Berezovsky is a Russian national," Yury Fedotov said.

The diplomat said the "distorted" documents failed to specify the person's citizenship, passport number and other important details, only mentioning Kazakhstan as his birthplace and his current residence as Moscow.

The ambassador said that most significantly, U.K. authorities' decision to release the suspect in late June showed that the allegations did not have serious grounds.

In early August the British Foreign Office faxed documents on the suspect in an attack on Berezovsky to the Russian embassy in London following a request in late July from the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Following media reports on plans of an attack against Berezovsky, Scotland Yard made a statement on July 18 that a suspect was arrested in central London on June 21. He was released on June 23 without charges and transferred to immigration authorities for deportation.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070807/70545774.html

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