Russia lays claim to the North Pole

[december]

This is according to the Illuminati media report:


Putin's Arctic invasion: Russia lays claim to the North Pole - and all its gas, oil, and diamonds


Russian President Vladimir Putin is making an astonishing bid to grab a vast chunk of the Arctic - so he can tap its vast potential oil, gas and mineral wealth.

His scientists claim an underwater ridge near the North Pole is really part of Russia's continental shelf.

One newspaper printed a map of the "new addition", a triangle five times the size of Britain with twice as much oil as Saudi Arabia.

The dramatic move provoked an international outcry. The U.S. and Canada expressed shock and environment campaigners said it would be a disaster.

Observers say the move is typical of Putin's muscle-flexing as he tries to increase Russian power.

Under current international law, the countries ringing the Arctic - -Russia, Canada, the U.S., Norway, and Denmark (which owns Greenland) - are limited to a 200-mile economic zone around their coasts.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/11/polarbear_468x307.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_03/northpolegraph_468x219.jpg

A UN convention says none can claim jurisdiction over the Arctic seabed because the geological structure does not match the surrounding continental shelves.

But Russian scientists have returned from a six-week mission on a nuclear ice-breaker to claim that the 1,220-mile long underwater Lomonosov Ridge is geologically linked to the Siberian continental platform - and similar in structure.

The region is currently administered by the International Seabed Authority but this is now being challenged by Moscow.

Experts estimate the ridge has ten billion tons of gas and oil deposits and significant sources of diamonds, gold, tin, manganese, nickel, lead and platinum.

A Russian attempt to claim Arctic territory was rejected five years ago, but this time Moscow plans to make a far more serious submission to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf. A British diplomatic source warned

that Russia was planning to secure its grip on oil and gas supplies "for decades to come".

READ MORE -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=464921&in_page_id=1811


http://www.victory-cruises.com/graphics5/north_pole4.jpg

[december]

It looks like the Illuminati are freaking out because of Russia's decision...

:D


U.S. Senator Lugar says Russia wants Arctic energy reserves

http://img.rian.ru/images/6558/60/65586011.jpg



WASHINGTON, May 16 (RIA Novosti) - U.S. Senator Richard G. Lugar said Russia is aspiring to take control over potential energy reserves in the Arctic Ocean at the expense of U.S. interests.

The senator, known for his anti-Russian statements, urged the U.S. authorities to join the struggle for the polar oil and gas resources by ratifying the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

The issue has acquired importance in view of dwindling global energy resources. Experts forecast that oil reserves on land would soon be exhausted and the only available fields will be in Persian Gulf and on deep sea shelves.

Lugar said Russia had claimed the right to develop the reserves, which could become more accessible due to ice melting in climate change. The Russian government is expected to meet this week to discuss hydrocarbon production on the sea.

The U.S. parliamentarian's warnings followed a statement by President George W. Bush Tuesday, which called on the Senate to ratify the convention.

Lugar said the convention had been adopted in Cold War times to protect national interests against the Soviet Union and aggressively developing countries. If ratified, the document will grant Washington control over the vast energy and fish wealth lying 200 miles off the American coast, he said.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20070516/65556146.html

[hagbard_celine]

This scrambling and sparring among nations for territory sounds very immature. A bit like children fighting over sweets in the playground.

If we're heading for a second cold War then why is it? Could it be because the War on Terror is not creating enough fear and anger in the population?

The area Russia has claimed is just where Brooks Agnew said that the northern entrance to the Hollow Earth is.

[december]

The area Russia has claimed is just where Brooks Agnew said that the northern entrance to the Hollow Earth is.

Do you have any evidence of this, hagbard_celine?
I spoke with sailors of these icebreakers and they told me that they didn't see a HOLE in the North Pole...

http://img.rian.ru/images/6351/77/63517771.jpg

http://marquettewebworks.com/greatlakes/images/Yamalw2.gif

[fullfathomfive]

Russia lays claim to the North Pole...

then gets pissed on vodka and loses it to the mafia in a poker game.

[tinmenace]

Interesting thread. I think there's more to it than gas, oil and diamonds (diamonds, really?). There are other less hostile environments to harvest gas, oil and diamonds from.

As a believer that the hollow earth is not outside the realms of possibility, I think they have a different agenda.

As for you asking the sailors...how did you gain access to them, and how could you verify that they went past 90N?

[barbitone]

As far as I can tell, there is nothing to claim!

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8062/nothingatnorthpolehv7.jpg

:confused:

[ashyr]

Russia lays claim to the North Pole...

then gets pissed on vodka and loses it to the mafia in a poker game.

i bet thats how it goes down yeah hah.

[december]

As far as I can tell, there is nothing to claim!

:confused:


Here's what it says in the article:

A UN convention says none can claim jurisdiction over the Arctic seabed because the geological structure does not match the surrounding continental shelves.

But Russian scientists have returned from a six-week mission on a nuclear ice-breaker to claim that the 1,220-mile long underwater Lomonosov Ridge is geologically linked to the Siberian continental platform - and similar in structure.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=464921&in_page_id=1811

[december]

Russian vessels approach N. Pole for dive to claim territory

http://img.rian.ru/images/7007/11/70071181.jpg

01/ 08/ 2007


MOSCOW, August 1 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's expedition aimed at symbolically claiming a vast section of the Arctic is approaching the point where the first-ever dive below the North Pole is to be made.

The Akademik Fedorov research vessel carrying two mini-submarines to dive 4,200 meters (14,000 feet) below the Pole is trailing a nuclear icebreaker and is set to reach its destination by 8 p.m. Moscow time (4 p.m. GMT), Russia's Arctic Institute said.

"According to reports from the Akademik Fedorov research ship, Mir mini-submarines are scheduled to begin their dive on the morning of August 2," the institute said.

"Favorable weather conditions are expected in the area: weak winds and visibility of up to 20 kilometers [12 miles]," the institute said.

The first-ever dive below the Pole is set to gather scientific data and is seen as a publicity stunt designed to prop up Russia's claim to 1.2 million sq kilometers (about 460,000 sq miles) of the territory - the underwater Lomonosov and Mendeleyev Ridges - which Russia says is the continuation of its continental shelf.

The United States' geological survey data suggest the Arctic seabed contains up to 25% of the world's oil and natural gas reserves, and other mineral riches.

Researchers in the mini-submarines Mir 1 and Mir 2 will take soil and fauna samples on the ocean bed, leave a Russian flag and a message to future generations in a capsule, and establish a video link with the International Space Station.

"It is an extremely important act for Russia, and will demonstrate our capabilities in the Arctic. It is like hoisting a flag on the Moon," a spokesman for the St. Petersburg-based Arctic research institute said earlier.

Russia's veteran explorer and lawmaker Artur Chilingarov, who will be in one of the mini-subs, said earlier the Mirs were capable of working at depths down to 6,000 meters (20,000 feet), but had only been tested at 2,000 meters (6,500 feet). He also said retrieving the vessels was an equally tricky task.

Rivalry over the ownership of hydrocarbons under the North Pole is gaining momentum as the Arctic icecap thins, and oil and gas reserves elsewhere in the world decline.

In mid-July, British endurance swimmer Lewis Gordon Pugh highlighted the drastic changes in the region being brought about by man-made global warming, by swimming 1 km to the Pole, a feat that would have been impossible a few decades ago.

A U.S. State Department senior legal adviser, John Bellinger, told a newspaper on Tuesday that Washington would ratify the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea in order to join a commission to examine Russia and other states' claims to Arctic waters, and has meanwhile closely followed developments in the region.

Under international law, the five countries with territory inside the Arctic Circle - Russia, the U.S., Canada, Norway, and Denmark, which controls Greenland - can claim only a 320-km (200-mile) economic zone around their coastlines.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070801/70102249.html

[fullfathomfive]

What does Father Christmas have to say about all this?

[synergy777]

putin sent him back to coca cola's marketing department, lol

its now smirnoff terrority, lol

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Russian ships reach North Pole
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Russian ships reach North Pole
8/1/2007, 12:24 p.m. EDT
By DOUGLAS BIRCH
The Associated Press

(AP) — V MOSCOW — An expedition aimed at strengthening Russia's claim to much of oil and gas wealth beneath the Arctic Ocean reached the North Pole on Wednesday, and preparations immediately began for two mini-submarines to drop a capsule containing a Russian flag to the sea floor.

The Rossiya icebreaker had plowed a path to the pole through an unbroken sheet of multiyear ice, clearing the way for the Akademik Fedorov research ship to follow, said Sergei Balyasnikov, a spokesman for the Arctic and Antarctic research institute that prepared the expedition.

"For the first time in history people will go down to the sea bed under the North Pole," Balyasnikov told The Associated Press. "It's like putting flag on the moon."


In the coming hours, Russian scientists hope to dive in two mini-submarines beneath the pole to a depth of more than 13,200 feet, and drop a metal capsule containing the Russian flag on the sea bed.

Balyasnikov said the dive was expected to start on Thursday morning and last for several hours.

The voyage, led by noted polar explorer and Russian legislator Artur Chilingarov, has some scientific goals, including the study of Arctic plants and animals. But its chief goal appears to be advancing Russia's political and economic influence by strengthening its legal claims to the gas and oil deposits thought to lie beneath the Arctic sea floor.

The symbolic gesture, along with geologic data being gathered by expedition scientists, is intended to prop up Moscow's claims to more than 460,000 square miles of the Arctic shelf — which by some estimates may contain 10 billion tons of oil and gas deposits.

The expedition reflects an intense rivalry between Russia, the United States, Canada and other nations whose shores face the northern polar ocean for the Arctic's icebound riches.

About 100 scientists aboard the Akademik Fyodorov are looking for evidence that the Lomonosov Ridge — a 1,240-mile underwater mountain range that crosses the polar region — is a geologic extension of Russia, and therefore can be claimed by it under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea.

The subs will collect specimens of Arctic plants and animals and videotape the dives.

The biggest challenge, scientists say, will be for the mini-sub crews to return to their original point of departure to avoid being trapped under a thick ice crust.

"They have all the necessary navigation equipment to ensure safety," Balyasnikov said.

Denmark hopes to prove that the Lomonosov Ridge is an extension of the Danish territory of Greenland, not Russia. Canada, meanwhile, plans to spend $7 billion to build and operate up to eight Arctic patrol ships in a bid to help protect its sovereignty.

The U.S. Congress is considering an $8.7 billion budget reauthorization bill for the U.S. Coast Guard that includes 72.96 million to operate and maintain the nation's three existing polar icebreakers. The bill also authorizes the Coast Guard to construct two new vessels.


Lucian Ilea
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the attack will come soon

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When I was a small boy,I was attracted by fire and mom always prevented me to place my hand in fire
until one day,daddy got bored and he said
"i'll help you to put your hand in fire" and he did

but only now I understand it
what do you expect?to wipe your ass and rescue you from nuclear war over and over again ,until all galaxies will fade away into the darkness?
to assist at the death by LAZINESS of my planet?

NO
I shall let you today have it ,as you wish it
And if you survive,then you deserve to survive and conquer the universe


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8/1/2007 12:52 PM Re: What is good vs what is right Quote

Morals and ethics, Lucian?



Lucian Ilea
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Morals and ethics, Lucian?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 103782

yes
always do the right thing


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did you ever doubted that all my efforts are on ethics?
why do you think that I don't live in a palace and show myself on tv each evening?
why do you think that i don't have young whores in my bed each night?


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why do you think that I don't live in a palace and show myself on tv each evening?
why do you think that i don't have young whores in my bed each night?

Quoting: Lucian Ilea



Because you live in a sad, delusional world existing only in your head?

AniMeyhem!
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8/1/2007 1:27 PM Re: What is good vs what is right Quote

It is easy to be good; it's not so easy to do what's right...

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It is easy to be good; it's not so easy to do what's right...

Quoting: AniMeyhem! 268435



??
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[december]

Gazprom says it hopes for major Arctic hydrocarbon discoveries

01/ 08/ 2007


MOSCOW, August 1 (RIA Novosti) - A Gazprom spokesman said Wednesday that the Russian energy giant expected "major new discoveries" of oil and gas reserves under the Arctic Ocean, and had large-scale prospecting plans for the region.

Press secretary Sergei Kupriyanov discussed the company's plans in a radio interview, the day before a Russian exploration vessel is to send mini-submarines on the first-ever dive below the North Pole, a symbolic move as Russia attempts to claim a vast section of the Arctic.

The United States' geological survey data suggest the Arctic seabed contains up to 25% of the world's oil and natural gas reserves, and other mineral riches, made accessible by the retreating of the polar ice due to global warming.

Sergei Kupriyanov told Ekho Moskvy: "We have approved a program of work on the Arctic shelf, which includes a great deal of prospecting."

The spokesman stressed the potential vastness of the Arctic shelf's reserves - the Shtokman field alone in the Barents Sea holds an estimated 3.8 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, he said.

"This is more than we have supplied to Europe over the past 30 years. Less than 5% of the Arctic shelf has been explored, and we are sure that major new discoveries will follow," the official said.

Two Russian Mir mini-submarines are to dive 4,200 meters (14,000 feet) below the Pole in what is seen as a publicity stunt designed to prop up Russia's claim to 1.2 million sq kilometers (about 460,000 sq miles) of the territory - the underwater Lomonosov and Mendeleyev Ridges - which Russia says is the continuation of its continental shelf and which is believed to contain mineral resources. The claim has been challenged by other countries.

The UN has yet to rule on the claim. The area around the Pole is currently an international territory administered by the International Seabed Authority.

Researchers in the Mir 1 and Mir 2 mini-subs will take soil and fauna samples on the ocean bed, leave a Russian flag and a message to future generations in a capsule, and establish a video link with the International Space Station.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070801/70124523.html

http://www.gazprom.com

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[cruise4]

Another artificially created 'Problem'.

Their 'Plan' moves a step forwards.

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Greatest
Discoverers
of the Last Century

[ A fascinating study of how the Internet is now changing the way the lone underdog discoverer can get proper credit ]


[link to www.perceptions.couk.com]


1). How to estimate the distance of faraway stars
Although establishment science still thought the Universe was the Milky Way

2). For the first time we knew galaxies existed outside the Milky Way

3). Hydrogen is the major component of the Sun.

4). Nuclear fission

5). Safe levels of Radiation for Humans

6). Magnetic polarity: Particle Physics

7). Dark Matter

etc.

BREAKTHROUGH SURPRISE DISCOVERIES:

The new understanding is that we (as a solar system) were not ever directly a part of the Milky Way.
Quoting: observant 110457

http://www.perceptions.couk.com/greatest.htmlGreatest Discovery # 6

Chien-Shiung Wu - born in Shanghai and trained at Nanking National University - moved to USA where she taught at Smith & Princeton before research at Columbia. She championed woman's right to femininity and freedom of thought, fighting pressures to be merely the `attractive female' on campus. She was "openly critical of male chauvinism in science".

In 1956 she decided to test the "Law of Conservation of Parity" that claimed "universal forces are not aware of "left / right" or "positive / negative charge" or "N / S magnetic polarity"

Male-dominated quantum physicists supported "Law of Parity" - Richard P Feynman made a $50 bet that Parity would be conserved.

Chien-Shiung Wu tested it in low-energy electron movements - not dominated by strong outside influences and micro/macro threshold forces. A cobalt variety will leak electrons under certain conditions and Chien-Shiung Wu proved that these charged "particles" were repelled by S pole of a magnet only.

Importance

For the first time we knew that electromagnetic states - both building blocks and supporting forces of material Universe - actually slope from "left - right" & from "positive - negative" & from "N - S".

[ Not known att - to be ingredient in UEF Theory ]

Science elite - forced to recognize overthrow of "Parity Laws" - chose to give Nobel prize, not to Chien-Shiung Wu, but to T-D Lee and C.N Yang, male physicists who'd speculated on the possibility without coming to firm conclusions.

Was credit given?

Not then - and hardly now.



Greatest Discovery # 7

Vera Rubin's independence was disapproved of by the Church and - because she was a woman - she was not allowed into offices of the Applied Physics Laboratory when George Gamow invited her to visit. The elite's chauvinism forced Rubin and Gamow to conference in the lobby.

Despite this she decided to study the movements of galaxies and in 1970, with Kent Ford, she began to look at Andromeda's M31, our nearest big neighbour.

The galactic whirlpool should have been moving fast at the center and much slower towards the rim (like swirling water in a bucket). But that wasn't happening!

Rubin concluded that the real galaxy extended much further out and was made of 'dark matter' that did not radiate light.

She'd found something the establishment didn't know existed - Dark matter.

[ From the data she also concluded that our local galaxies were being drawn towards Pegasus - this was also derided by the establishment. It was finally confirmed - by male astronomers - but not until more than 20 years later. ]

Importance

For the first time scientists were able to realize invisible materials and forces existed in the Universe. And that these were probably the major influence in the Universe.

Was credit given?

Not then - and hardly now.
Natural satellite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Zoom-Out Map of the Local Universe (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/universe/tour_map02.html)
What is your address? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/universe/images/tour_icon.gif
back to Tour the Universe (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/universe/tour.html)
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... izoleaza lumina de hidrogen.
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[december]

U.S. to send icebreaker to N.Pole Aug. 6 after Russian mission

02/ 08/ 2007

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WASHINGTON, August 2 (RIA Novosti) - A United States icebreaker will leave Seattle August 6 for an Arctic research mission, just after Russia attempts to symbolically lay claim to a huge section of the region, the Coast Guard said Thursday.

News of the Healy vessel's trip came as two Russian mini-submarines started the first-ever dive 4,200 meters (14,000 feet) under the ice near the North Pole to take soil and fauna samples on the ocean floor, and back the country's claim to a vast swathe of the hydrocarbon-rich Arctic territory.

The Healy is one of the U.S.' four polar icebreakers. But the National Research Council last September urged the construction of two new icebreakers to replace the ageing Polar Sea and Polar Star "to project [the country's] active and influential presence" in support of its interests in the Arctic and the Antarctic.

Melting sea ice in the Arctic is opening new shipping routes and sparking economic activity, such as exploration for natural resources, the council's Congress-sponsored report said.

President George W. Bush has also urged the Senate to approve U.S. participation in the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea "to advance U.S. interests in the world's oceans."

"Joining [the convention] will serve the national security interests of the United States," Bush said in a May 15 statement, and "promote U.S. interests in the environmental health of the oceans and ... give the United States a seat at the table when the rights that are vital to our interests are debated and interpreted."

A UN commission is yet to rule on Russia's claim to 1.2 million sq kilometers (about 460,000 sq miles) of the territory - the underwater Lomonosov Ridge and Mendeleyev Ridges - which it says is the continuation of its continental shelf.

A U.S. survey suggests the Arctic seabed contains up to 25% of the world's oil and natural gas reserves, and other mineral riches, made accessible by the receding of the polar ice caused by global warming.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20070802/70196501.html

[infinitely free]

december, what do you think of Gazprom?
Aren't they working hard, towards the NWO?

[december]

december, what do you think of Gazprom?

I am not sure what do you mean by "what do you think of Gazprom"...
Gazprom is a good STATE-OWNED company which works for all peoples of Russia and not for Mikhail Khodorkovsky and his Zionist bosses as it was the case with Yukos...

Yukos Oil Company (ОАО НК ЮКОС) was a petroleum company in Russia which, until recently, was controlled by Russian billionaire Mikhail Khodorkovsky and a number of prominent Russian businessmen. Khodorkovsky was imprisoned and sent to Siberia, and others fled Russia. Its headquarters were located in Moscow. On August 1, 2006, a Russian court declared Yukos bankrupt.

Yukos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Aren't they working hard, towards the NWO?

No, they are not. Russia didn't even send troops to Iraq....

http://www.gazprom.com

[cruise4]

The latest Score:

England - 2 Jesus's
Russia - nil

[infinitely free]

Hi December,

How would you comment on that - Gazprom to create its own private army to protect oil installations?
http://digg.com/business_finance/Gazprom_to_create_its_own_private_army_to_protect_ oil_installations

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article2029023.ece

[infinitely free]

Russia didn't even send troops to Iraq....[/b]



Didn't even? Well, that wasn't their war, was it december? Thought it's obvious :D

[december]

Hi December,

How would you comment on that - ?
http://digg.com/business_finance/Gazprom_to_create_its_own_private_army_to_protect_ oil_installations

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article2029023.ece

It says right there - "to protect oil installations".

Do you protect your property, infinitely free, or not really?


Didn't even? Well, that wasn't their war, was it december? Thought it's obvious :D

I am sorry, but I am following your logic....
In case you didn't know - there are MANY countries that sent their troops to Iraq.

[cruise4]

Russian flag on Arctic seabed no legal claim to territory - U.S.

RIA Novosti
Friday Aug 3, 2007

Washington has dismissed Russia's mission to plant its national flag on the Arctic ocean floor as an illegitimate claim to territory.

Russian explorers dived 4,200 meters (14,000 feet) below the North Pole in two mini-submarines Thursday, planting a titanium Russian flag on the seabed in a symbolic claim to a vast slice of apparently hydrocarbon-rich Arctic territory, which the country says is the continuation of its continental shelf.

"I'm not sure whether they've ... put a metal flag, a rubber flag, or a bed sheet on the ocean floor," Tom Casey, deputy State Department spokesman, told reporters. "Either way, it doesn't have any legal standing or effect on this claim... It's an issue that's going to be decided based on those technical merits, not on any kind of particular markers laid down."

Casey said the United States was skeptical about Russia's claim to 1.2 million square kilometers (about 460,000 square miles) of territory - the underwater Lomonosov and Mendeleyev Ridges that cross the Pole - but admitted the country was in its right to pursue the claim.


"...the Russian Government is pursuing a claim under their right to do so as members of the Law of the Sea Convention. This is something that unfortunately, the United States is not in a position to do because we have yet to ratify that convention and it's one of the reasons why we are interested and supportive of having that treaty be ratified by the U.S. Senate." Casey said.

He said it was a technical issue and the U.S. had not had an opportunity to look at technical data provided by Russia to back its claim, which was "another reason why we'd like to be engaged" in those kinds of bodies.

Russia made a claim to the territory in 2001. The following year, a UN panel demanded more scientific evidence pending a decision.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, speaking from the Philippines Thursday, said: "The goal of this expedition is not to stake Russia's claim, but to prove that our shelf spreads to the North Pole." The minister said he hoped the expedition would "allow us to acquire additional scientific proof" of this claim.

Apart from being a publicity stunt, the more than eight-hour Arctic mission was designed to take soil, water and fauna samples on the ocean floor.

As climate change melts the polar ice, vast reserves of oil and gas believed to be under the seafloor are likely to become accessible in future decades.

The U.S. Coast Guard in Seattle said Thursday the Healy icebreaker would leave port August 6 for a research mission in the Arctic.

[infinitely free]

It says right there - "to protect oil installations".

Do you protect your property, infinitely free, or not really?

But, isn't that becoming, something like a state, within a state (which may destabilise Russia, in the end)? I am concerned that Russia might succumb to the EU, if such things start to happen!




I am sorry, but I am following your logic....
In case you didn't know - there are MANY countries that sent their troops to Iraq.

Yes, many...
but, Russia would (try to) stay away, from "conflicts", like Iraq! :)

[december]

Russia's strategic aviation holds tactical exercises in Arctic

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08/ 08/ 2007


MOSCOW, August 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's strategic aviation started Wednesday an active phase of military exercises to fly over the North Pole and conduct test launches of cruise missiles, an Air Force spokesman said.

During the active phase, four Tu-160 Blackjack, 12 Tu-95 Bear-H strategic bombers, and 14 Tu-22 Backfire-C theater bombers will conduct simulated bombing raids, and more than ten cruise missile launches at the Pemboi range near Vorkuta [in Russia's Arctic], and fly over the North Pole, the Pacific, and Atlantic Oceans.

"On Wednesday, Tu-160 and Tu-95 bombers conducted eight successful [test] launches of cruise missiles at designated targets in northern Russia," Colonel Alexander Drobyshevsky said, adding that the planes made over 40 sorties throughout the day.

The Russian aircraft were closely monitored by NATO fighters during the missions.

The spokesman said six long-range aviation regiments were involved in the exercise to practice interaction with fighter aircraft, air refueling, and overcoming enemy air defenses.

Units of the 37th Air Army of the Strategic Command will conduct a total of six tactical exercises in August as part of an annual training program, the Defense Ministry earlier said in a statement.

According to various sources, the Russian Air Force currently deploys 141 Tu-22M3 bombers, 40 Tu-95MS bombers, and 14 Tu-160 planes.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070808/70616742.html

[tinmenace]

This photo from NOAA doesn't tell us exactly where on the "north pole", but I find it interesting that there would be a bird there. Don't birds usually mean land is nearby?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/northpolecam.jpg

Edit: The Pyramids are about 6676 Kilometers or 4,148 Miles from the North Pole for those who may be interested....
Above is a Netcam 3MP XLshot from the deck of the German research vessel Polarstern. Note first wildlife capture.

Link (http://www.pyramidcam.com/)

[barbitone]

This photo from NOAA doesn't tell us exactly where on the "north pole", but I find it interesting that there would be a bird there. Don't birds usually mean land is nearby?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/northpolecam.jpg

Edit: The Pyramids are about 6676 Kilometers or 4,148 Miles from the North Pole for those who may be interested....
Above is a Netcam 3MP XLshot from the deck of the German research vessel Polarstern. Note first wildlife capture.

Link (http://www.pyramidcam.com/)




Or it's going out to die...:( lol

[thetonic]

Do you have any evidence of this, hagbard_celine?
I spoke with sailors of these icebreakers and they told me that they didn't see a HOLE in the North Pole...

http://img.rian.ru/images/6351/77/63517771.jpg

http://marquettewebworks.com/greatlakes/images/Yamalw2.gif

And how is it that YOU spoke with the sailors of the icebreakers??? Are you perhaps a GOVERNMENT AGENT??? NO WAY!!! NOT DECEMBER! BWWAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA BULLSHIT!:D

[nickatnoon61]

What does Father Christmas have to say about all this?

He's pissed on vodka too!!! :eek:

[amadeus]

In case you missed this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7522

There's something going on there we're not told... So what else is new :rolleyes:

[december]

In case you missed this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7522

There's something going on there we're not told... So what else is new :rolleyes:


So it proves that these subs CAN go deep under water. And what's your point?

[amadeus]

The images used from the movie Titanic in this case were done with miniature models-not under water. So don't you find it at the very least strange that Reuters uses these images in their news?

[december]

The images used from the movie Titanic...

I don't recall any subs in the movie Titanic. :)

I think you are confused.

[december]

In case you missed this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7522

There's something going on there we're not told... So what else is new :rolleyes:

OK. I checked your thread and links. So, here's what it says:

Ilta-Sanomat reveals embarrassing error in Reuters feed on Russian North Pole sub expedition

Finnish-built submersibles caused Cold War storm in 1987

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/iIlta-Sanomati+reveals+embarrassing+error+in+Reuters+fee d+on+Russian+North+Pole+sub+expedition/1135229390631

Reuters uses imagery from Titanic in story about Russian expedition to NP?

http://digg.com/world_news/Reuters_uses_imagery_from_Titanic_in_story_about_R ussian_expedition_to_NP



So, Reuters goofed up. Is that all you wanted to say, amadeus ?...

[amadeus]

Quae nocent, saepe docent!

Quid est illa in auqua? (http://www.hs.fi/english/article/iIlta-Sanomati+reveals+embarrassing+error+in+Reuters+fee d+on+Russian+North+Pole+sub+expedition/1135229390631)

[december]

Quae nocent, saepe docent!

Abducet praedam, qui accurrit prior! :D

[december]

This photo from NOAA doesn't tell us exactly where on the "north pole", but I find it interesting that there would be a bird there. Don't birds usually mean land is nearby?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/northpolecam.jpg

Edit: The Pyramids are about 6676 Kilometers or 4,148 Miles from the North Pole for those who may be interested....
Above is a Netcam 3MP XLshot from the deck of the German research vessel Polarstern. Note first wildlife capture.

Link (http://www.pyramidcam.com/)




It doesn't look like North Pole. North Pole is totally covered with ice.
So, to get there you need an icebreaker, such as Russia's Yamal:

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/jpgs/Yamal_July_2000.jpg

http://www.cruisingholidays.co.uk/arctic/north_pole/icebreaker.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamal_(icebreaker)

[mr_moon]

I'm a bit confuddled with this thread so all i'm going to say is if you want to REALLY know what is going on out there, why not go there yourself?

ANYTHING is possible and if you REALLY want to find out the truth- then go and seek it out!

Otherwise you can carry on believing everything you're told.

[tinmenace]

That's what I said in another, similar thread. I won't know for sure until I've been there for myself, and until I do go, I'm going to keep an open mind about it.

[them]

This photo from NOAA doesn't tell us exactly where on the "north pole", but I find it interesting that there would be a bird there. Don't birds usually mean land is nearby?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/northpolecam.jpg

Edit: The Pyramids are about 6676 Kilometers or 4,148 Miles from the North Pole for those who may be interested....
Above is a Netcam 3MP XLshot from the deck of the German research vessel Polarstern. Note first wildlife capture.

Link (http://www.pyramidcam.com/)






Holarctic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Birds with a Holarctic distribution tend to migrate around the pole, like this;

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/834/65018378.JPG

Other Zoogeographic Regions

http://digilander.libero.it/avifauna/immagini/maps/palearctic_WB01051b.jpg

[december]

Abducet praedam, qui accurrit prior!

Russia's new research station in Arctic to open in late Sept.

20/ 08/ 2007

ST. PETERSBURG, August 20 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's new drifting research station in the Arctic will begin working in late September, the press spokesman of the Artic and Antarctic Research Institute said Monday.

The North Pole 35 station being set up with the help of the Akademik Fedorov research vessel and the nuclear icebreaker Rossiya, which brought mini-submarines to the pole for the first ever dive to the seabed earlier in August, will conduct research in the area for one year and replace the previous station.

Sergei Balyasnikov said about 20 Russian and German scientists will conduct geological and ornithological research on an ice floe in the East Siberian Sea located between the Arctic Cape in the north and Siberia's coast in the south.

In early August, Russian researchers descended 4,200 meters (14,000 feet) below the Pole in two submersibles to gather scientific evidence to bolster the country's claim to a vast swathe of extra Arctic territory and planted a titanium Russian flag on the seafloor. The mission attracted criticism from rival Arctic nations.

Under international law, the five Arctic Circle countries - the U.S., Canada, Denmark, Norway and Russia - each have a 322-kilometer (200-mile) economic zone in the Arctic Ocean at the moment.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070820/72622818.html


"The goal of the expedition is not to reserve Russia's rights but to prove that our shelf reaches the North Pole," Sergei Lavrov said.

http://img.rian.ru/images/5362/33/53623343.jpg

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070802/70174426.html

:D

[december]

Will Santa Claus use Russian stamps?

http://img.rian.ru/images/4254/25/42542543.jpg

03/ 09/ 2007


MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti political commentator Maxim Krans) - The Arctic is becoming the favorite haunt of Russian polar explorers. This year's fourth expedition is bound for the high altitudes.

This time, the Russian tricolor will not be stuck into the ocean floor, but will fly over the new drifting station North Pole-35. The flagship of the Federal Service for Hydrometeorology and Environment Monitoring Academician Fedorov and the nuclear-powered icebreaker Rossia is bound for the Sea of Chukotsk for this mission. This is a planned trip that was organized well in advance. But the current struggle for the ocean shelf may prompt other claimants to see it as yet another of Moscow's attempts to grab a huge piece of the Arctic pie and may further escalate the rivalry for the re-division of a region which harbors up to a quarter of the world's hydrocarbon reserves.

Russia's resolute bid for the North Pole, or to be more exact, the triangle adjacent to it, stretching for 1.2 million square km has caused a hostile response. The United States reciprocated by sending its reconnaissance aircraft to escort the Russian ships, and then hastily made up its own expedition and sent it aboard the Healy icebreaker of its Coast Guard to the North Pole. Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper also made a tour of his country's Arctic possessions and announced that they will soon be guarded by six patrol ships and a new military base on the American Far North. Denmark came next. It does not have its own icebreakers, and had to use the Swedish Oden and the Russian nuclear-powered 50 Years of Victory ship.

But these are not all the interested parties. German polar explorers are conducting "reconnaissance" in the Arctic Ocean on the PFS Polarstern research vessel, and their French colleagues are making a great polar challenge on the Tara schooner. From time to time, the Arctic is visited by the Chinese Snowy Dragon icebreaker, and some reports say that the Indians are interested in the region as well.

The old-time territorial dispute with Norway is a special subject. Last year, it submitted an application to the UN commission of the continental shelf borders after Russia, claiming a considerable part of the ocean, which we consider ours. This is a "grey area" of 155,000 square km, containing a rich gas deposit. In some estimates, it has up to three trillion cubic meters of gas. But it seems that we will come to terms with our northern neighbors. At any rate, both sides are willing to settle the issue before other players intervene. Recently, President Vladimir Putin instructed the government to speed up the signing of a compromise agreement.

But the interests of the coastal countries clash not only in "the Russian triangle." Our northward expansion has poured oil on the flames, which have long been smoldering on the other side of the pole, in the Western Hemisphere. If polar ice continues to melt at the same rate, the North-West Passage will become open for navigation. It is the shortest route from Europe to Asia and is also rich in hydrocarbons. Canada and Denmark are the primary claimants for this territory. They are sending their warships to the strategically important uninhabited island of Hans and putting out their flags one after another. But the United States also wants this passage, as George W. Bush plainly told the Canadian Prime Minister the other day. There are other claimants as well - Sweden, Britain, Germany, the Netherlands and France. Russia will probably not mind claiming it either - after all, who can match its powerful fleet of icebreakers?

The current activities of the coastal and remote states in the Arctic have quite an innocent excuse. Studies of the ocean shelf are taking place in the framework of the International Polar Year, which started last spring. But it is not only scientists who are waiting for the results from numerous expeditions. Government officials, diplomats, maritime law experts and heads of oil and gas companies seem to be much more impatient. In Russia, policymakers are also waiting for these results because the polar region may become their trump card in the election campaign. It is enough to mention the much-publicized polar expedition of Duma deputy speaker Artur Chilingarov, which had nothing to do with the research.

Emotions are running high and this probably explains the urge to be the first to report the victory. The press reported the other day that the studies by Russian scientists have supposedly confirmed that the oceanic Lomonosov ridge, which is the cause of the squabble, is the continuation of the Siberian continental platform, and therefore belongs to Russia. But on the following day the Oceanic Research Institute, a participant in the Arctic-2007 project, refuted this sensation. It also transpires that the samples received by Chilingarov's team were irrelevant to the issue - the North Pole is away from this submerged viaduct connecting Russia with Greenland and Canada.

Experts maintain that it will take a lot of time to thoroughly analyze the data received by expeditions recently and earlier. Moreover, they believe that these results should be buttressed by in-depth drilling but Russia does not have the equipment for it. The Murmansk Marine Shipping Company offered to re-equip its nuclear-powered barge carrying the Sevmorput ship for this purpose but this requires time and money.

And time is running out. By May 13, 2009 (this is the deadline), Russia will have to pass a serious international exam and provide convincing evidence for its bid for the Arctic shelf. But Lindsay Parson from British Southampton University believes that the chances of the other coastal states are as good as those of the Russians.

In the meantime, some humorists in the West are discussing whose stamps the only resident of the North Pole - Santa Claus - will attach to his envelopes. Well, we would like them to be Russian, of course...

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070903/76253149.html

[december]

Russian scientists claim 1.2 mln sq km of Arctic territory

:D

http://img.rian.ru/images/7068/39/70683941.jpg

20/ 09/ 2007

MOSCOW, September 20 (RIA Novosti) - Preliminary research results released by Russian scientists are allowing the country to claim 1.2 million sq km of potentially energy-rich Arctic territory, the Natural Resources Ministry said Thursday.

"Preliminary, September 20, results of an analysis of the Earth's crust show that the structure of the underwater Lomonosov mountain chain is similar to the world's other continental shelves, and the ridge is therefore part of Russia's landmass," the ministry said.

Russia's Oceanology research institute had undertaken two Arctic expeditions - to the Mendeleyev underwater chain in 2005 and to the Lomonosov ridge in the summer 2007 - on orders from the ministry to back the claims to the 460,000-square-mile area believed to contain vast oil and gas reserves and other mineral riches likely to become accessible in future decades due to man-made global warming.

Researchers conducted deepwater seismic probes, aerial and geophysical surveys, and seismic-acoustic probes on the Akademik Fedorov and Rossiya icebreaker.

The ministry said scientists would provide final research results in December 2007.

In August, Russian researchers also descended 4,200 meters (14,000 feet) below the North Pole in two minisubs to take seabed samples to bolster the claim to the Polar territory.

The mission fueled patriotic sentiments at home and attracted criticism from rival Arctic powers. As well as collecting geological samples, the explorers planted a titanium Russian flag on the seafloor.

In 2001, Russia first claimed its right to the territory, but the UN demanded more evidence.

Under international law, the five Arctic Circle countries - the U.S., Canada, Denmark, Norway and Russia - each have a 322-kilometer (200-mile) economic zone in the Arctic Ocean at the moment.

Source -

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070920/80132806.html