Atlantis ???

[altruist551]

I'm reading the Global Conspiracy by David Icke and found the information about Atlantis to be related to stories about the Illuminati.

Here are two family stories:

1. This is the link to the Illuminati - The grandson of the dad that attended Yale with Bush Senior, the two families are long-time friends, well this dad has one grandson from my sister-in-law and her husband. For the boy's christening, the family included a Bavarian prince who's uncle would have been the King of Bavaria except that the Bavarian government changed. The weird part is that the christening wasn't held in the church sanctuary under the cross, it was held in a side room. The family has been a member of that particular church for generations. The original part of their home in that area was built in the 1700s. The woman who was the children's governess was Austrian. The grandmother was aristocracy from Belgium. She died from a heart attack three days after returning home from a week-long cruise with my mother-in-law. The two women had waited for a new sailboat to be built and then sailed around Greece even though the area was in a state of turmoil at the time. No autopsy was done.

2. This is the connection from the Illuminati to the Atlantis story: The pediatrician who removed my husband's appendix around 1969, told stories about how he enjoyed spending his annual two-week vacation in an underwater science lab located at the Bermuda Triangle. He offered to speak to my child's elementary school science class. That never happened. He, the doctor, died mysteriously around 2000. My mother-in-law said that she was visiting the Dr. and his wife at their home when he supposedly said to my mother-in-law that he was ready to die, and sometime during that night, he died. No investigation was made. The FBI tells me that many murders go uninvestigated in this county.

I am interested in your feedback. Until I found this website, I had no idea that so many people knew about the Illuminati/Bush connection.

[secondsun]

...why is thread still in the 9-11 forum?... even though nobody has bothered to reply to it!?!

[altruist551]

Sorry, I'm not technical. I thought I was posting a new thread.

[cluas]

perhaps the moderators can move it ??



Very exciting story ... :)

[altruist551]

Thanks. I have tried for years to expose this horrible crowd. I only know a small portion of the enormous system. What I do know is that the people in this crowd will hurt any life form, especially children, and then go to the country club and laugh about it. They will not stop, they make the rules that define "How" they can be exposed, and then discredit or kill anyone who will not follow the "rules." It's time that the individual person realize the power an individual has when this power is tapped collectively. It's an individual choice. I am reading as many posts as I have time to read. It seems that David Icke recognizes the covert politics at work.

Hopefully a moderator will move this thread to its appropriate forum.

[limelady]

I moved it from the 9/11 sub-forum to this one 3 posts ago. :D

[watson_k]

Thanks. I have tried for years to expose this horrible crowd. I only know a small portion of the enormous system. What I do know is that the people in this crowd will hurt any life form, especially children, and then go to the country club and laugh about it. They will not stop, they make the rules that define "How" they can be exposed, and then discredit or kill anyone who will not follow the "rules." It's time that the individual person realize the power an individual has when this power is tapped collectively. It's an individual choice. I am reading as many posts as I have time to read. It seems that David Icke recognizes the covert politics at work.

Hopefully a moderator will move this thread to its appropriate forum.

Wasn't that the reason Atlantis was supposedly sunk in the first place? A certain crowd or political party shall we say, doing everything in their means without thought for effect on Nature. - Eventually she hit back.

[stewart edwards]

Wasn't that the reason Atlantis was supposedly sunk in the first place? A certain crowd or political party shall we say, doing everything in their means without thought for effect on Nature. - Eventually she hit back.Anyone looked out of the window? History is repeating itself.

[luciferhorus]

The Study of Mythology Part One: The Atlanteans and the Legends of the Flood.



Lucifer



Aeon of Lucifer 2009



In simple language.



On the problems of studying ancient history and especially 'pre-history, and by the latter term I refer approximately to the pre-agriculture era or pre-cataclysm (Gr. to wash down) era or pre-flood era of around 10,000 B.C.'



One of the major problems in pre-history and in ancient history is the abundance of myths and the propaganda of tyrants and prophets; none of which can be trusted.



There are generally three responses to this.



1: Literalism.



This is generally a view held by many of our relatively illiterate, uneducated and overly superstitious ancestors who held that certain myths are literally true; in Christendom today this is generally the view that the Bible is literally true; in India it is generally the view that the Hindu myths are true; in ancient Greece, it was the view that the numerous tales of the gods were literally true; throughout the world, shamans and witch doctors spread numerous tales and legends of ancient gods and miracle working ancestors.



2: Myth as invented.



This is generally the view that any ancient myth is simply nonsense and has no historical meaning or truth.



3: Myth as 'Chinese Whispers.'



This is generally the view that our relatively illiterate ancestors orally passed down tales and legends which changed over time and to which tales of gods and miracle men were added, but which may have some historical basis.



The Flood.



There are around 200 different legends of a historical cataclysm; there are also legends of regional localised flooding. Since these tales are often told in the form of myth, there is a tendency to discredit them.

http://www.dailygrail.com/images/BC_Underworld.jpg

However, there have been numerous underwater temples photographed, some 100's of feet deep in the oceans; it is clear that the waters of the oceans of the earth were once much shallower.

See the gallery of images of underwater temples and architecture on:

http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/underwater/default.htm

http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/gallery/yonaguni/1-13-sml.jpg



Atlantis.



There are numerous legends of this and numerous speculations as to the location of Atlantis. Probably the most popular is the 'North Atlantic Ridge' which is more of a large continent than an 'island;' it is quite simply the relatively shallow water that one crosses when sailing across the Atlantic.



Velikovsky: World's in collision, Magnetism and Planet X..

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41dhPI%2BIKlL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

It is clear that our solar system has not always been as it is today. A brief glimpse at the surface of the Moon and Mars shows the impact of numerous objects. There are numerous theories about the existence of an 11th large planet in our solar system, but astronomers have discovered approximately 200 other distant 'objects in orbit around our sun, so it is more a question of 'Planets (plural)' X, Y. Z, and so forth.



Magnetism.



Planets tend to rotate elliptically around our sun as opposed to circularly. Distant planets or 'objects' on an elliptical orbit are so far away and moving so slowly (from our perspective) that their orbits are virtually impossible to calculate.



Think of the Sun as a positive magnet and all other objects and planets in orbit as negative magnets. If one were to spin numerous negative magnets around a positive magnet, orbits would appear. Once the orbits had 'settled' into position, if one where to throw another large negative magnet (the equivalent of a large planet) into this arrangement, it would affect the orbit of all other negative magnets and it may even collide with some. Since this is much the way our solar system works, there is no good reason to assume that the orbits of our planets and our distance from the sun have always been as they are now, and further that they will always be this way.



We cannot go back in time and speak empirically about what happened during the most recent cataclysm, we can only study myths and legends, however the prevailing Velikovskian theory is as follows.



Any large object coming in from outer space would be incredibly 'cold.' If there was water / ice on that planet, it would start to melt as it's elliptical orbit brought it closer to the sun. The recent cataclysm was most probably caused by the impact of 'ice.'



At the North and South poles, the earth is 'squashed' as if hit by billions of tons of ice; this ice is not frozen salt water but fresh water, which begs the question of how it got there. The prevailing theory is that ice approaching earth would be magnetised by the Van Halen belt, and instead of maintaining a 'straight' trajectory, would be attracted to the magnetic poles; thus the existence of huge freshwater deposits here.



Temperature.



Scientists know that the temperature of the earth has not been constant; there are two possible reasons for this. 1: That the Sun cools down and heats up; this is a fact; it is currently heating up. 2: That the distance between the earth and the sun is not constant, but is occasionally changed by the magnetism of the elliptical orbit of an 11th giant planet which occasionally visits our tiny region close to the sun.





The Legend of the Atlanteans.


Unfortunately I can now only speak of 'myths and legends.' I live near 'Glastonbury' in England where the Druids and Wiccans are obsessed with the Arthurian legends of the ancient kingdom of Camelot in the same way that Americans are obsessed with their biblical legends. They may be myths and legends, but unfortunately that is how history has been passed down to us by our ancestors; it does not mean that there is not an iota of truth to them.



Once upon a time, prior to the great Cataclysm, there was an ancient island culture called Atlantis. It was a scientifically advanced culture, but ruled by an ancient priesthood. Generally it is a 'Lord of the Rings’ type tale where magicians (ancient scientists and spiritualists) were divided into good and evil. Nuclear War ensued. Of course this was all washed away by the Cataclysm. From the remnants of the Atlanteans, according to the myth, those who were evil reappeared again in Egypt and began to reconstruct their ancient culture and religion. From the remnant of the Atlanteans who waged war against evil, we have the Arthurian myths and the ancient Druids.



Unfortunately history (as seen through myths and legends) seems to be repeating itself. The world gears up for nuclear war between the magi of good and evil. the prophets of old seem to indicate that in this age, Sauron will be defeated, but unfortunately not without global war.



We probably have a limited time before the next cataclysm.



The period between cataclysms is what human beings call 'history.'



What was before the last cataclysm is what scientists often consider a 'primitive age.' To future generations who survive the next great cataclysm, the myths and legends of our age will possibly survive and a new set of scientists and religionists will come along and dismiss their pre-history as myths and legend.





And so it goes on...





Love and Light



Lux-

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif

The 1000 Year revolution of Light



More on:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=6056789081969524094&hl=en&fs=true



See also:

Graham Hancock – ‘Fingerprints Of The Gods,’ , in which he contends that the Egyptian culture is a remnant of an ancient and highly advanced civilisation which was destroyed in the last cataclysm (approx 10,000 B.C).

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bestsellers-2006/3964-1.jpg

http://rapidshare.com/files/57066400/Graham_Hancock_-_Fingerprints_Of_The_Gods.pdf


See also, Michael Tsarion - Atlantis, Alien Visitation And Genetic Manipulation

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/0e/36/f9c6419328a00928f77bd110.L._AA240_.jpg

http://rapidshare.com/files/57067146/Michael_Tsarion_-_Atlantis__Alien_Visitation_And_Genetic_Manipulati on.pdf

Michael Tsarion: The Destruction of Atlantis.

[oddblock]

Fantastic post - gonna enjoy going through the details!

[stewart edwards]

From the remnants of the Atlanteans, according to the myth, those who were evil reappeared again in Egypt and began to reconstruct their ancient culture and religion. From the remnant of the Atlanteans who waged war against evil, we have the Arthurian myths and the ancient Druids.Luciferhorus you may find that he who can remove the sword from the stone has also reached a certain level of proficiency in the ancient Egyptian mysteries. Far from being opposing forces they are but reflections in the pool of life. (For lightgiver ;)):D

[lightgiver]

During the fabled "First Time, Zep Tepi, when the gods ruled in their country: they said it was a golden age during which the waters of the abyss receded, the primordial darkness was banished, and humanity, emerging into the light, was offered the gifts of civilization. They spoke also of intermediaries between gods and men - the Urshu, a category of lesser divinities whose title meant 'the Watchers'. And they preserved particularly vivid recollections of the gods themselves, puissant and beautiful beings called the Neteru who lived on earth with humankind and exercised their sovereignty from Heliopolis and other sanctuaries up and down the Nile. Some of these Neteru were male and some female but all possessed a range of supernatural powers which included the ability to appear, at will, as men or women, or as animals, birds, reptiles, trees or plants. Paradoxically, their words and deeds seem to have reflected human passions and preoccupations. Likewise, although they were portrayed as stronger and more intelligent than humans, it was believed that they could grow sick - or even die, or be killed - under certain circumstance."
- Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63777

[altruist551]

Thanks for the information luciferhorus. I'll be reading through your recommendations and post a response soon.

[bard]

Here is a link to a website that contains some useful info (scroll down and click on some
of the blue bullets to follow up the links)

http://www.atlantisquest.com/

[pedsi]

I like John Anthony Wests' take on it,that Atlantis was an ancient global civilisation and not confined to one continent that no longer exists,yes there are remnants of this era to be discovered beneath the seas but to try and pinpoint one specific area and say, it's Atlantis, is sheer folly.:)

[limelady]

I like John Anthony Wests' take on it,that Atlantis was an ancient global civilisation and not confined to one continent that no longer exists,yes there are remnants of this era to be discovered beneath the seas but to try and pinpoint one specific area and say, it's Atlantis, is sheer folly.:)

Yes, John Hancock shares this view, and is currently diving near India with a team in order to document megalithic underwater ruins that have been found there. Fascinating stuff!

Have a listen to Hancock talking about this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5p2IwZjhcU

These very ancient underwater ruins that cannot be neatly 'explained away' by the current mainstream paradigm, are being discovered around coastlines of the world, but rather than acknowledge them and study them with excitement and an open mind, (which would mean re-evaluating everything they've ever learned and probably starting from scratch), 'system' archaeologists are simply ignoring the evidence, hoping it will all go away.

It won't of course, as this is the age of revealing. :D

[pedsi]

I'll check that out..cheers!:)

[watson_k]

Why is it people love talking about Atlantis, but never about Mu (Lemuria)?

Anyway:

Ignatius Donelly - Atlantis: The Antediluvian World (1882)

Lewis Spence (Founder of what is now the Scottish National Party) - The History of Atlantis (1927) and The Problem of Lemuria: The Sunken Continent of the Pacific (1932)

These three books are supposed to contain concrete evidence of both continents.

Once upon a time, prior to the great Cataclysm, there was an ancient island culture called Atlantis. It was a scientifically advanced culture, but ruled by an ancient priesthood. Generally it is a 'Lord of the Rings’ type tale where magicians (ancient scientists and spiritualists) were divided into good and evil. Nuclear War ensued. Of course this was all washed away by the Cataclysm. From the remnants of the Atlanteans, according to the myth, those who were evil reappeared again in Egypt and began to reconstruct their ancient culture and religion. From the remnant of the Atlanteans who waged war against evil, we have the Arthurian myths and the ancient Druids.

If you read the books, it's originally thought the Atlanteans were 'Spiritually' more advanced, instead of Mechanically more advanced.

[limelady]

Why is it people love talking about Atlantis, but never about Mu (Lemuria)?

Anyway:

Ignatius Donelly - Atlantis: The Antediluvian World (1882)

Lewis Spence (Founder of what is now the Scottish National Party) - The History of Atlantis (1927) and The Problem of Lemuria: The Sunken Continent of the Pacific (1932)

These three books are supposed to contain concrete evidence of both continents.



If you read the books, it's originally thought the Atlanteans were 'Spiritually' more advanced, instead of Mechanically more advanced.

Oh I LOVE discussing Lemuria (Mu), and I am quite convinced I am living on what was(is) a great chunk of it - Australia! There is still much to be discovered about this very ancient land, but many secrets are now starting to be revealed.

Thanks for the information watson_k......I've been meaning to try and get hold of Ignatius Donelly's book ever since I read references to it in Tsarions Atlantis book. :)

[watson_k]

Your own observations, and the United States Government surveys in Nicaragua, prove conclusively that at some remote period a tremendous earth movement of cataclysmic force must have taken place in that part of the world . . . and your excavations have actually unearthed the cultural artifices of a prehistoric people that existed prior to the great earth movement . . . and your discoveries open up an entirely new vista in regard to the ancient civilization of the American continent.”
Mr.Mitchell-Hedges says his research has revealed that at some remote time a great land area stretching eastward from Central America sank and was engulfed by the sea, and that during this gigantic geological readjustment a portion of what had been sea-bed was heaved upward to become land of considerable height within the area now known as Central America.
Volcanic action of magnitude must have accompanied this cataclysmic change, during which his evidence goes to show, a great and cultured race of men were destroyed. A few, fleeing to the tops of mountains and upland, were able to survive for a time on the newly made islands, where they left behind the imperishable objects of their own handicraft, from which Mr. Mitchell-Hedges, with the support of the two great museums mentioned[American Indian, New York, and the British Museum, London], is endeavoring to reconstruct their life story.
As to the date at which this pre-Mayan civilization existed, he believes it flourished not later than 15,000 B. C., and possibly that it dates back of 25,000 B. C.



-The Director of the Museum of the American Indian, Heye Foundation, New York. Mr. Mitchell-Hudges [1935]