Churchgoers Back Torture of Terrorist Suspects

[gilly]

While most of us probably agree that polls are a waste of time, this interested me, purely because (despit its not being published by the MSM) it is, imo, typical of a campaign running currently to discredit mainstream religions and influences.

Whenever these things are presented, it reminds me of the part of the Bluebeam strategy - to convince everyone that their religion is erroneous, so that they will be (supposedly) more likely to accept the NWO's so-called 'one true God' figure.

Or maybe i'm just reading too much into it...

http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-4083-0-23-23--.html


Churchgoers more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists: poll

Published on 05-01-2009 Email To Friend Print Version

Source: RawStory

Churchgoers are more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new survey by Pew. Per CNN:

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week — 54 percent — said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is “often” or “sometimes” justified. Only 42 percent of people who “seldom or never” go to services agreed, according the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified — more than 6 in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only 4 in 10 of them did.

The analysis is based on a Pew Research Center survey of 742 American adults conducted April 14-21. It did not include analysis of groups other than white evangelicals, white non-Hispanic Catholics, white mainline Protestants, and the religiously unaffiliated, because the sample size was too small.

[burnttoast]

Churchgoers are more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists

Why wouldn't they?....they send their children to Sunday school without batting an eyelash.

[verusdeus]

Just to balance things up Im in favour of torturing Christians.

[ritchs]

Just Google "Milgram Experiment" for some disturbing information about what human beings are capable of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment


This explains in part the 'I was only following orders' mentality and other things about human conscience.

[smariot]

If they weren't guilty of anything, God wouldn't let anything bad happen to them.

[realy]

If they weren't guilty of anything, God wouldn't let anything bad happen to them.

this is one of the worst mindsets to have(and lots of people feel this way), I use to feel like that along time ago_when i think about it, its almost barbaric cause it can be used to justify any damned thing.

[motleyhoo]

The people I know who are Christians, and who think the Republicans have the high ground because their party is the religious party, are the very same people who backed the war in Iraq, backed Bush's torture tactics, and backed the Patriot Act. They're the people who are most likely to say things like "We should just nuke'em all and get it over with!" It's like their first business of the day is to figure out who they're gonna bomb or mutilate. That's a generalization and I realize not all Christians are like that, but damn near every one of them I know holds those views and that mindset. It seems to be the exact opposite of ever single thing Jesus stood for but you cannot convince them of that because they are already deluded and cannot be reasoned with. Can you tell this topic gets me worked up??

On the other hand, my non-religious friends, who I would likely associate with the "evil, god-hating Democrats" are not that way at all and are the most charitable and environmental people I know.

I don't have a dog in that fight as I am Libertarian, but those are my observations after years of experiencing this.

[realy]

The people I know who are Christians, and who think the Republicans have the high ground because their party is the religious party, are the very same people who backed the war in Iraq, backed Bush's torture tactics, and backed the Patriot Act. They're the people who are most likely to say things like "We should just nuke'em all and get it over with!" It's like their first business of the day is to figure out who they're gonna bomb or mutilate. That's a generalization and I realize not all Christians are like that, but damn near every one of them I know holds those views and that mindset. It seems to be the exact opposite of ever single thing Jesus stood for but you cannot convince them of that because they are already deluded and cannot be reasoned with. Can you tell this topic gets me worked up??

On the other hand, my non-religious friends, who I would likely associate with the "evil, god-hating Democrats" are not that way at all and are the most charitable and environmental people I know.

I don't have a dog in that fight as I am Libertarian, but those are my observations after years of experiencing this.

some of the most deviant kids i knew almost all have a christian upbringing, and there attitude was this, they can do whatever they feel (in the negative sence) and just ask for forgiveness and everything is ok for them. its so fucked...

[void]

http://i40.tinypic.com/1zw28ae.jpg

TADA!!!!..........NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[phemohilia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhs-g8NxM3Q


While I firmly Believe in a "Creator".... Organized Religion has never sat well with me.....

[meksar]

Christians are unknowingly sun-worshipers and this is why they go to church on a Sunday. They don't even know the name of the prophet Yahawahshi and they bow down to that impostor Cesare Borgia. When they find out the image of Jesus is fake and that of a pedophile,tyrant and incest performer, they will realize how mindfucked they really are.

These are the type of people who eat up media propaganda and do no further research into global events. Of course you have people who are awake in all religions/faiths, but i feel that they have a warped sense of "anything outside my programmed beliefs is wrong" and this stops them getting to see even further behind the lies and deception.

[dragond]

Christians are unknowingly sun-worshipers and this is why they go to church on a Sunday. They don't even know the name of the prophet Yahawahshi and they bow down to that impostor Cesare Borgia. When they find out the image of Jesus is fake and that of a pedophile,tyrant and incest performer, they will realize how mindfucked they really are.

These are the type of people who eat up media propaganda and do no further research into global events. Of course you have people who are awake in all religions/faiths, but i feel that they have a warped sense of "anything outside my programmed beliefs is wrong" and this stops them getting to see even further behind the lies and deception.


perfectly put :D my intention coming to this thread was read and see where it goes from there but meksar u just ruined it for me :mad: how can i top that! keep it up:cool:

D:cool:

[biblegirl]

The people I know who are Christians, and who think the Republicans have the high ground because their party is the religious party, are the very same people who backed the war in Iraq, backed Bush's torture tactics, and backed the Patriot Act. They're the people who are most likely to say things like "We should just nuke'em all and get it over with!" It's like their first business of the day is to figure out who they're gonna bomb or mutilate. That's a generalization and I realize not all Christians are like that, but damn near every one of them I know holds those views and that mindset. It seems to be the exact opposite of ever single thing Jesus stood for but you cannot convince them of that because they are already deluded and cannot be reasoned with. Can you tell this topic gets me worked up??

On the other hand, my non-religious friends, who I would likely associate with the "evil, god-hating Democrats" are not that way at all and are the most charitable and environmental people I know.


This is so so true.

[smariot]

this is one of the worst mindsets to have(and lots of people feel this way), I use to feel like that along time ago_when i think about it, its almost barbaric cause it can be used to justify any damned thing.

Don't give me that, God has a plan, and it's not our place to mess about with it. If God's plan involves people getting tortured then so be it. We might not be able to see it, but somehow, it's working towards the greater good of us all. If you can't see this, then you obviously don't have faith in God, and don't deserve to be called a Christian. Burn in hell, unbeliever.

[deem]

If they weren't guilty of anything, God wouldn't let anything bad happen to them.

Hah! And if you throw them in a pond and they float, their a witch. Were all the people who died when the twin towers collapsed guilty? Your god didn't watch out for them.

[smariot]

Hah! And if you throw them in a pond and they float, their a witch. Were all the people who died when the twin towers collapsed guilty? Your god didn't watch out for them.

Of course they were guilty, nobody is without sin. Even newborn babies are tainted by original sin. Thankfully, the ones that surrendered themselves to Jesus are now in heaven, and watching over the families of the victims. The ones that didn't are now in hell, where they belong. Everything works out in the end, it always does.

[zombgief]

I don't know about the study, but I do know a lot about the general Christian community and I do know the majority of that population tend to follow just about anything their church promotes. It wouldn't surprise me to learn there is data which backs Churchgoers condoning torture because most Churchgoers are absolute followers to the point where they can compromise or justify just about anything if their church leaders are the ones pushing it. Historically Christianity has done a lot of horrible things in the name of God, so backing torture of somebody they consider the enemy, evil, etc is completely believable. No surprises here.

I'm referring to Christianity, I don't know enough about some of the other religions to make an honest opinion out of it.

[zombgief]

Don't give me that, God has a plan, and it's not our place to mess about with it. If God's plan involves people getting tortured then so be it. We might not be able to see it, but somehow, it's working towards the greater good of us all. If you can't see this, then you obviously don't have faith in God, and don't deserve to be called a Christian. Burn in hell, unbeliever.

I used to be a devoted Christan a few years ago. I always had a problem with the "God's Plan" scapegoat Christians always use to justify a lot of things. To say God's plan effects humanity is completely contrary to the fundamental teachings of Christianity which are love and free will. You can't have free will to live your life as you chose if you're running along a path laid out before you by God. Where's the freedom of choice in that?

[smariot]

Most people have no idea what love actually is. It has nothing to do with rainbows or baby lambs, it's a simple unwavering devotion to God, your creator, and anything that distracts you from that is evil.

And evil needs to be dealt with, otherwise it will spread like an infectious plague. I know it looks like God abandoned them by letting them die, but believe me, they abandoned God first, so in fact he is simply respecting their wishes. I know it looks bad sometimes, but that's only because we're humans, and aren't capable of seeing the big picture yet. You just have to have faith in these things.

And you do have free will, you can either choose to obey God, or you can choose not to. It's your choice, be sure to make the right one.

[zombgief]

Most people have no idea what love actually is. It has nothing to do with rainbows or baby lambs, it's a simple unwavering devotion to God, your creator, and anything that distracts you from that is evil.

And evil needs to be dealt with, otherwise it will spread like an infectious plague. I know it looks like God abandoned them by letting them die, but believe me, they abandoned God first, so in fact he is simply respecting their wishes. I know it looks bad sometimes, but that's only because we're humans, and aren't capable of seeing the big picture yet. You just have to have faith in these things.

And you do have free will, you can either choose to obey God, or you can choose not to. It's your choice, be sure to make the right one.

Your harsh judgments and opinion on those not following God are perfect examples of Christian Self Righteousness. I feel sorry for you, you're a misinformed individual who believes that by bullying people into thinking they're going to burn in hell if they don't accept Christianity you'll get them to rethink their lives.

[smariot]

Your harsh judgments and opinion on those not following God are perfect examples of Christian Self Righteousness. I feel sorry for you, you're a misinformed individual who believes that by bullying people into thinking they're going to burn in hell if they don't accept Christianity you'll get them to rethink their lives.

I'm not judging anyone, it's not my place to do so. You'll be judged by God when the time comes, and until then, you'll be in my prayers. Hopefully you'll realize your mistake before then and come back to us.

Okay, I'll come clean, I was aiming for 'reductio ad absurdum', and was waiting for someone to say 'you can't be serious', but it never happened.

The truth is, I was trying to discredit Christianity, and hopefully get some of you to convert over from Yahweh to Allah, the one true god, but it didn't happen.

Actually, that's a lie as well, the truth is that I'm an energy vampire. Thanks for the late night snack.

[ritchs]

If they weren't guilty of anything, God wouldn't let anything bad happen to them.

Good one

That reminds me of the scene in the movie "Unforgiven"

Prostitute: "you just beat the shit out of an innocent man"
Sheriff 'little bill' : "Innocent?! Innocent of what?"

[twistedconcept]

They're obviously not genuine Christians then.

Christianity originally had you having a personal relationship with Jesus. It wasn't about groups or cults.

As Bertrand Russell and many others said, all mainstream religions would have to be decimated, as people still followed the good teachings. There are some eternal truths in most religions, despite some of the nonsense contained within. Many people look at the exoteric and miss the allegories, as documented by Manly P. Hall and others.

[motleyhoo]

Don't give me that, God has a plan, and it's not our place to mess about with it. If God's plan involves people getting tortured then so be it. We might not be able to see it, but somehow, it's working towards the greater good of us all. If you can't see this, then you obviously don't have faith in God, and don't deserve to be called a Christian. Burn in hell, unbeliever.

This pretty much sums up what I was saying.

EDIT: I see now that you were being sarcastic?

[realy]

This pretty much sums up what I was saying.

EDIT: I see now that you were being sarcastic?

im thinking he was being sarcasted but maybe not?

[dynamicwiseman]

Christians are unknowingly sun-worshipers and this is why they go to church on a Sunday. They don't even know the name of the prophet Yahawahshi and they bow down to that impostor Cesare Borgia. When they find out the image of Jesus is fake and that of a pedophile,tyrant and incest performer, they will realize how mindfucked they really are.

These are the type of people who eat up media propaganda and do no further research into global events. Of course you have people who are awake in all religions/faiths, but i feel that they have a warped sense of "anything outside my programmed beliefs is wrong" and this stops them getting to see even further behind the lies and deception.

When the Roman Empire converted to Christianity they incorporated all of the ancient pagan cultures and beliefs at the time, including Ancient Egyptian sun worship, and called it the Roman Catholic Church. Your right Christians today are unwittly worshiping the sun and not the creator. I feel this is the reason why Islam is demonized in the media and the whole world. Islam stands on it's own and can speak for itself without the need of other human cultures, without the need to lower itself in order to convince people of the truth. This is why Islamic countries are under massive Nato attack to try and contain this truth from the masses. I'm not a muslim by the way, just making an observation. Christians today will find it hard to come to terms with the fact that they have been duped into worshiping pagan sun cults, instead of a creator.

[miracles]

Just to balance things up Im in favour of torturing Christians.

Just to balance things up a bit Im in favour of torturing you. :mad:

But, frankly that was more the reason behind the story, to curry favour of torchering Christians and wiping their scurge from the earth, which of course is a big part of their "GREAT WORK".

This -------- helped to bring that out perfectly. I knew this thread would instantly desecend into a Christian bashing disinformation specialist rant, as per!

[alzee]

Just Google "Milgram Experiment" for some disturbing information about what human beings are capable of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment


This explains in part the 'I was only following orders' mentality and other things about human conscience.

Thats bloody scary, especially knowing that the vast majority of the worlds population are 'sheep'.

[largejack]

While most of us probably agree that polls are a waste of time, this interested me, purely because (despit its not being published by the MSM) it is, imo, typical of a campaign running currently to discredit mainstream religions and influences.

Whenever these things are presented, it reminds me of the part of the Bluebeam strategy - to convince everyone that their religion is erroneous, so that they will be (supposedly) more likely to accept the NWO's so-called 'one true God' figure.

Or maybe i'm just reading too much into it...

http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-4083-0-23-23--.html


Churchgoers more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists: poll

Published on 05-01-2009 Email To Friend Print Version

Source: RawStory

Churchgoers are more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new survey by Pew. Per CNN:

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week — 54 percent — said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is “often” or “sometimes” justified. Only 42 percent of people who “seldom or never” go to services agreed, according the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified — more than 6 in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only 4 in 10 of them did.

The analysis is based on a Pew Research Center survey of 742 American adults conducted April 14-21. It did not include analysis of groups other than white evangelicals, white non-Hispanic Catholics, white mainline Protestants, and the religiously unaffiliated, because the sample size was too small.

Doesn't surprise me, things always seem to be upside down in this world. Religion, which is supposed to stand for all that is good in people, actually translates as all that is bad in people in most cases.

[miracles]

Doesn't surprise me, things always seem to be upside down in this world. Religion, which is supposed to stand for all that is good in people, actually translates as all that is bad in people in most cases.

Yeah right because you read it the paper so it must be true. Bollocks. Which was the point Gilly was trying to make.

Your on to it Gilly. :)

[nofuture]

I bet these perverts get off on the idea of sexual torture.

[jammasterj13]

Well, these guys do revere a man being tortured on a cross.

Where so called religious people are concerned nothing shocks me anymore.
If theirs hell below they are definitely gonna go. (first!):D

[angelmoon]

If they weren't guilty of anything, God wouldn't let anything bad happen to them.

is this sad with tongue in cheek? or for real?

sounds like what they said about the women who were thought to be witches
or these idiots that were featured on Louis Theroux

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSFrNOnvtls&feature=related

[gilly]

Be aware that the OP article doesn't provide numbers of people questioned - only statistics (remember the line about lies, damned lies & statistics).

They might have craftily asked very few people to partake in this survey, and hence the statistical evidence looks damning.

It's only representative of anything significant if they asked 100's or 1,000's of people.

The fact that they ommitted any reference to numbers makes me distrust the information, and think it's possibly being presented for the ulterior motive I mentioned initially.

[smariot]

is this sad with tongue in cheek? or for real?

For real, energy vampires are no laughing matter. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=965113)

[motleyhoo]

When the Roman Empire converted to Christianity they incorporated all of the ancient pagan cultures and beliefs at the time, including Ancient Egyptian sun worship, and called it the Roman Catholic Church. Your right Christians today are unwittly worshiping the sun and not the creator. I feel this is the reason why Islam is demonized in the media and the whole world. Islam stands on it's own and can speak for itself without the need of other human cultures, without the need to lower itself in order to convince people of the truth. This is why Islamic countries are under massive Nato attack to try and contain this truth from the masses. I'm not a muslim by the way, just making an observation. Christians today will find it hard to come to terms with the fact that they have been duped into worshiping pagan sun cults, instead of a creator.

Islam is just as fracked up as Christianity. They both control people thru brainwashing, and the latter has even brainwashed their women into thinking that God wants them to be 2nd class citizens under men, and that by living as lesser beings under men they are honoring God. The biggest reason Islamic countries are under attack is not because of religion, it's because of their natural resources. Powerful countries always subjugate or exploit the weaker for their resources. It has been that way for thousands of years.

[meksar]

Islam is just as fracked up as Christianity. They both control people thru brainwashing, and the latter has even brainwashed their women into thinking that God wants them to be 2nd class citizens under men, and that by living as lesser beings under men they are honoring God. The biggest reason Islamic countries are under attack is not because of religion, it's because of their natural resources. Powerful countries always subjugate or exploit the weaker for their resources. It has been that way for thousands of years.

Islam was created by the Babylonian whore known as the Vatican, if you are a Muslim today you are as good as a Roman Catholic. Religion is what has destroyed spirituality and disconnected people from their own multidimensional conciseness. I believe certain aspects of the truth are scattered throughout the religious texts, anyone who put's 100% faith/devotion to these texts will be able to justify misogyny, racism and various other vulgar mentalities. The bible itself is full of contradictions and outright bastardized philosophies, remember thou shall not kill, but this same book says its OK to put adulterers and homosexuals to death.

[romas]

Mix 50% hate and ignorant prejudice with 50% common truths and you get bible/koran or any other man made fiction for the masses. People want to believe in something common there is nothing wrong with that, what matters is how you apply that feeling.

Churchgoers - what is that? A title? If you really think about it, the whole damn thing is absurd.

As for sun - what's wrong with worshiping it? Sun is awesome, you're all sun dust gathering sun energy. Think about it.