ignorance

[rachel88]

heres a question: I really dont understand how you people cope. How do you guys stay sane as you live in this world filled with people deep in ignorance over their smiling faces. Really. How do you do it? I can hardley walk through a shopping centre without, seriously, almost falling down, overwhelmed by the plain sheep of people.

Do you conform to the main way of usual life while you're with people who dont want to know these things and whats going on?

Do the people you spend time/work with share your thirst for knowledge?

How do you do it?

When you know things .. I swear.. It is truely impossible to go back to normal life..

[chocky pud]

heres a question: I really dont understand how you people cope. How do you guys stay sane as you live in this world filled with people deep in ignorance over their smiling faces. Really. How do you do it? I can hardley walk through a shopping centre without, seriously, almost falling down, overwhelmed by the plain sheep of people.

Do you conform to the main way of usual life while you're with people who dont want to know these things and whats going on?

Do the people you spend time/work with share your thirst for knowledge?

How do you do it?

When you know things .. I swear.. It is truely impossible to go back to normal life..


I know exactly what you mean. Once you see through the 'walls' its almost impossble to feel comfortable round those who haven't. I have got to the point where I tend to stay away from places where there are large groups of people, and only go do shopping etc when I have psyched myself up enough to cope. I cannot watch TV or read ordinary Newspapers now without becoming annoyed, so I don't bother.

[rachel88]

What do you think though?.. Do people just plain not want to know the truth? .. Is it genetics? .. Is it genetics that make some people search for answers and some people not search? ... I really dont understand. If people would just want to know, they would start the ball rolling, and soon enough, they would know!
Why dont they do it? .. How are they happy do they same thing day by day .. following the belief system without question ..

[21_12_2012]

I know exactly what you mean. Once you see through the 'walls' its almost impossble to feel comfortable round those who haven't. I have got to the point where I tend to stay away from places where there are large groups of people, and only go do shopping etc when I have psyched myself up enough to cope. I cannot watch TV or read ordinary Newspapers now without becoming annoyed, so I don't bother.

I found that a lot, especially in the first 12 months..but then you start to rise above it, and it gets easier..it did for me anyway....i wanted to shout it out all the time for months....feeling sorry for everyone who didn't know what was going on...after a while you just can't carry around that much anger and pity....in my case it just wore off, and now i can sort of float along and not let it get to me...instead of feeling bad and angry, switch it around to feeling glad that you know whats going on, and glad that you can quite easily help others to find out things if they want to....

[richmick]

heres a question: I really dont understand how you people cope. How do you guys stay sane as you live in this world filled with people deep in ignorance over their smiling faces. Really. How do you do it? I can hardley walk through a shopping centre without, seriously, almost falling down, overwhelmed by the plain sheep of people.

Do you conform to the main way of usual life while you're with people who dont want to know these things and whats going on?

Do the people you spend time/work with share your thirst for knowledge?

How do you do it?

When you know things .. I swear.. It is truely impossible to go back to normal life..

It's an artificial life, it was never normal. Find like minded people who think like you, then it gets quite exciting. Otherwise, you may feel very alone and confussed:confused:

[mari]

Personally,i try to keep a toe in the 'old'world, & a foot(even as far up as my shin!) in the emerging one.
I'm also aware of sheeple - up where I live (north-west UK -i'm not native) people tend to be more entrenched in the old ways. I cannot have a meaningful conversation with most people here - I've tried & got some strange looks. Hot topics here include soaps on TV/who's died/who's pregnant/illnesses(they wear their illnesses like badges/family feuds/more soaps etc. It drives me crazy.
I've found that I've drifted away from old friends as my beliefs have changed.
Even my family,still entrenched in negative ways, see even less of me now.
I think that you need to make an effort to seek out like-minded souls, even on the 'net if you live in a one-horse town, like me.

[eternal_spirit]

If I try and talk to anyone about it they either laugh, get angry,or won't or don't want to believe it. Most people cant see wha's right in front of them.
I'm vegetarain, rarely drink alcohol dont watch tv unless I'm at someone elses home, because they always have the tv on! I believe in talking to sort out problems not fighting.
Add all these to the list.....I'm considered a freak.

[rachel88]

hm.. i guess i could just float around if i wanted to .. but my whole thing before finding out the truth was understanding people ... and I try so hard to understand their seemingly willingness to be ignorant, and i just seem not to be able to.
Are they ignorant because they havnt heard anything different? Or are they ignorant because they hear lots of different things but prefer to stay with what is familiar and what everyone else thinks?

[21_12_2012]

What do you think though?.. Do people just plain not want to know the truth? .. Is it genetics? .. Is it genetics that make some people search for answers and some people not search? ... I really dont understand. If people would just want to know, they would start the ball rolling, and soon enough, they would know!
Why dont they do it? .. How are they happy do they same thing day by day .. following the belief system without question ..

A lot of these people do want to know, but are so busy leading their lives they don't have time or energy to do it. Some don't have internet.
Some live in the 'fear of what others might think of them' category (most in fact)
Some have such happy lives that they wouldn't want to disrupt it by learning negative stuff, even though it is truth.
Some lead such sad lives that they don't want any more sadness on top of it.
Some are closed-minded, either their own faults or by the way they were raised, or educated, or the friends they have.
Even some open-minded people cannot accept hard facts, especially depressing or sad facts.
But, the good news is that more and more people are waking up, and that will continue to increase, so it's not all bad news !

[rachel88]

Find like minded people who think like you, then it gets quite exciting. Otherwise, you may feel very alone and confussed:confused:


no luck so far! lol
100% pure sheep so far

[rachel88]

.......
But, the good news is that more and more people are waking up, and that will continue to increase, so it's not all bad news !

woohoo

i seriously hope so!

[eternal_spirit]

You could hang out with me Rachel if i lived down your way lol. I live up North, life feels like an episode of Coronation Street up here at times.
Nice to see open minded people on the Forum. I've done alot of research and read most of Icke's books not much I haven't heard or read before.
I'm about to type a reply and seems like someone on here replys with the same information knowing what I know myself. Nothing like a bit of revision and hopefully learning something new.

[richmick]

no luck so far! lol
100% pure sheep so far


Well, remember, what we focus on most becomes part of our reality. So focus on meeting (in the flesh, not cyberspace) like minded people. You never know what might happen. May the force be with you:p

[rachel88]

If I try and talk to anyone about it they either laugh, get angry,or won't or don't want to believe it. Most people cant see wha's right in front of them.
I'm vegetarain, rarely drink alcohol dont watch tv unless I'm at someone elses home, because they always have the tv on! I believe in talking to sort out problems not fighting.
Add all these to the list.....I'm considered a freak.

lol freak shmeak, who cares. ... its the right way tho.. my question was just why arent more people?

I guess theres too many different reasons why.

hopefully its true that more people are waking up.

Do you think our efforts to speed up the waking up process are in vain? ... I mean .. if we dont try to wake them up, will they still wake up on their own?

[lookfar]

Hi Rachel

Nice thread you've started here.

I totally agree, it is very hard and frustrating. It's a sad fact that there are so many people still blissfully unaware & asleep. Once you've had your eyes opened to what's really going on in this world you can't turn back & it amazes you that others cannot see what's happening right in front of their faces (9/11 & 7/7 especially). These two instances alone are so obvious once you look a bit deeper into them instead of just blindly accepting the given story, and that's just the tip of the iceberg!

I have to work with people who like nothing better than to discuss the football or last nights telly programme - Big Brother & soaps etc. The only tv I can really watch these days is The Simpsons/Futurama :) Matt Groening & David X Cohen are well aware of what's going on in society, they put plenty of subtle one-liners/characters into those programmes that reflect this and it makes me laugh whenever I see a truth exposed this way.

I've found that when I mention to people that I'm into Icke/conspiracy material, I get the usual comments and they think I'm mad, which is fine, that's entirely up to them. But I've also found with some of my friends that if you can get into a debate with them or ask them to prove things otherwise, they soon begin to open up to ideas. Even if they won't read the books or are not totally convinced, it's planted a seed of doubt in their minds and who knows where that will lead... Some mates still think I'm mad, but others are slowly waking up:)

Anyway, sorry for babbling - too much wine:)

[rachel88]

Well, remember, what we focus on most becomes part of our reality. So focus on meeting (in the flesh, not cyberspace) like minded people. You never know what might happen. May the force be with you:p

ty ty :D

btw, when i said 100% sheep, i ment in the flesh as well as cyberspace.. we shall see if 'the force' brings any good luck! lol

[rachel88]

But I've also found with some of my friends that if you can get into a debate with them or ask them to prove things otherwise, they soon begin to open up to ideas. Even if they won't read the books or are not totally convinced, it's planted a seed of doubt in their minds and who knows where that will lead... Some mates still think I'm mad, but others are slowly waking up:)


thats encouraging. good. so the effort is not in vain i guess

[roxanna]

I feel the same as you do rachel. Lonely and yes Ill admit it depresses me. Im working through that as not beneficial to me and ultimately I must do what I believe is right. Still the sadness of losing family from this knowledge (which i have shared with them and I knew would probably have the outcome it has had which is ridicule and anger towards me) the sadness still lingers for me, though Im sure it will fade or otherwise work itself out in a positive way in due time. I have one person with whom I can share this with freely and a couple others who are my friends "inspite" of differing views. I too cannot take the television etc serious now or even rarely at all, brings me down and I can see through all the symbolism and hypnotic techniques they are using. I do find it interesting though and exciting to see every where the symbols in particular and always in plain view, sort of my hobby when out and about to pay attention to it. Anyway peace to all of you, it really is a help to find a place where my views are shared to a degree and I no longer feel so isolated within. So bless all of you and Cheers.

[eternal_spirit]

Icke was ridiculed at first by the media, he couldn't walk down the street without people laughing at him.
I heard the other day there are so many people wanting to go see him speak, that they couldn't find a venue large enough to accommodate all the people. :D
This proves more people want to listen and are becoming open minded.

[rachel88]

I have ... a couple others who are my friends "inspite" of differing views.


do you try to help them know the truth? how can you spend time with people when (if i understood you correctly) their entire belief system for life, you find it trivial?

[rachel88]

Icke was ridiculed at first by the media, he couldn't walk down the street without people laughing at him.
I heard the other day there are so many people wanting to go see him speak, that they couldn't find a venue large enough to accommodate all the people. :D
This proves more people want to listen and are becoming open minded.

wow

i hope its true. i cant wait for it to become a reality. for us to actually see a change in society.

come on people! get hungry for knowledge!!

lets send some will power to make all those: (someone called them:) "sheeple" (lol good one!) to make them start searching for knowledge

[lookfar]

Icke was ridiculed at first by the media, he couldn't walk down the street without people laughing at him.
I heard the other day there are so many people wanting to go see him speak, that they couldn't find a venue large enough to accommodate all the people. :D
This proves more people want to listen and are becoming open minded.

It certainly does and about time too:) I for one would like to attend one of his talks. I've seen all his dvd's and he does have such stage presence. It would also be good to be surrounded by so many like-minded people:)

So John or Sean - what with the new book underway, do you have any idea when the next talk is planned??????:)

[rachel88]

I for one would like to attend one of his talks. I've seen all his dvd's and he does have such stage presence. It would also be good to be surrounded by so many like-minded people:)

So John or Sean - what with the new book underway, do you have any idea when the next talk is planned??????:)

First part: Ditto
Second part: I ditto the question

[roxanna]

do you try to help them know the truth? how can you spend time with people when (if i understood you correctly) their entire belief system for life, you find it trivial?

Yes I do and have. I knew the risk I was taking in telling them my views as I know those people well they are family and friends, however I did so as I felt it my responsiblity to share with them what is going on because I love them. Needless to say I have no real family now except for a little one. I dont regret doing it I had to and I would do it over again. Still the sadness pervails at the moment but will have to pass I feel I did the right thing. As for friends who dont share my views on it but still in my life, well first friends and good people for many years and second while it is hard sometimes not sharing the same beliefs we are friends all the same. I dont turn my back on another if our views differ. Easy? No it is not. Do I compromise my beliefs? No I do not. Do they? No they do not. It does create a chasm none the less but one that can be bridged to some degree for other relevant topics. I hope I have answered your question (which was a good one). Cheers to you.

[rachel88]

It does create a chasm none the less but one that can be bridged to some degree for other relevant topics.


what is there left to talk about to people who believe all that exists is metephorically, inside their birthroom.. and they wont take a look outside the door

[roxanna]

Not a whole lot to be honest with you and myself. But music for one and the day to day getting on things. Appts. how was your day, etc... I will eventually have to even forgo that, which ok I will, still I have practical things to work out before heading to a safe place before the polar shift. Point is, no not alot to speak of, not much of interest to me anyway, but some things need to get sorted. I wont, as an example, ever have or accept a partner who doesnt share my thoughts on the very important issues, a relationship of that kind has to be complete and wouldnt be otherwise. But friendships who accept I have these views and who have done me no harm etc. are to be respected as I wish to be respected. Still those friendships are no longer the same in closeness I will agree. But if Im needed and if my presence and my talk of this to them plants a seed I will be happy.

[21_12_2012]

It does take time for people to come round, especially family. You have to remember, when they don't know any of this, and someone (especially in the family) goes telling them all this stuff, it's going to blow their mind, and they will think they're listening to someone who has 'lost it'.
That's because they haven't researched anything themselves, or gone on the net or watched and read the stuff. So when they hear it all off someone it's going to sound 'way-out', and so much different than their belief system.
My family took around 12 months to realise what i was saying to them was truth.
I went through A LOT of bad times with them, but now i get on better than ever with them, and the good news is that they can see what i told them years back is happening, and the seeds i planted have finally grown in their minds.
It takes time.

[roxanna]

It does take time for people to come round, especially family. You have to remember, when they don't know any of this, and someone (especially in the family) goes telling them all this stuff, it's going to blow their mind, and they will think they're listening to someone who has 'lost it'.
That's because they haven't researched anything themselves, or gone on the net or watched and read the stuff. So when they hear it all off someone it's going to sound 'way-out', and so much different than their belief system.
My family took around 12 months to realise what i was saying to them was truth.
I went through A LOT of bad times with them, but now i get on better than ever with them, and the good news is that they can see what i told them years back is happening, and the seeds i planted have finally grown in their minds.
It takes time.

Bless! That does make me feel better. Thank you for sharing that. It is very appreciated. I will just wait and see what happens with them. I cant go back now that I know what I know. This may make that all the easier for me. Cheers. Do tell though how did your family come around?

[lookfar]

It does take time for people to come round, especially family. You have to remember, when they don't know any of this, and someone goes telling them all this stuff, it's going to blow their mind, and they will think they're listening to someone who has 'lost it'.
That's because they haven't researched anything themselves, or gone on the net or watched and read the stuff. So when they hear it all off someone it's going to sound 'way-out', and so much different than their belief system.
My family took around 12 months to realise what i was saying to them was truth.
I went through A LOT of bad times with them, but now i get on better than ever with them, and the good news is that they can see what i told them years back is happening, and the seeds i planted have finally grown in their minds.
It takes time.

This is very true. If they did take the time to look more fully, they would all be well aware of what's going on and the consciousness would shift. Some people are just not ready for the truth, which is a shame.

It's great that your family have finally accepted what you told them, it must have been a very trying time, but good to see you got there in the end :)

[mari]

Yes I do and have. I knew the risk I was taking in telling them my views as I know those people well they are family and friends, however I did so as I felt it my responsiblity to share with them what is going on because I love them. Needless to say I have no real family now except for a little one. I dont regret doing it I had to and I would do it over again. Still the sadness pervails at the moment but will have to pass I feel I did the right thing. As for friends who dont share my views on it but still in my life, well first friends and good people for many years and second while it is hard sometimes not sharing the same beliefs we are friends all the same. I dont turn my back on another if our views differ. Easy? No it is not. Do I compromise my beliefs? No I do not. Do they? No they do not. It does create a chasm none the less but one that can be bridged to some degree for other relevant topics. I hope I have answered your question (which was a good one). Cheers to you.

Channelled sources have suggested that an awful lot of us are going to have to choose,as you have done,between family/friends & ourselves. When acsension comes, those whose vibration is sufficiently high enough, will ascend, & the others will stay in the 3rd dimension. Not all family members or friends will be of the same vibration; some will make it, some wont.

[mari]

My partner thinks I've lost it, has thought so for a long time, & ridicules me for being 'brainwashed' by the 'net. Oh Dear, he doesn't get it at all.
Its impossible for me to 'change' him & I won't even try. I have to respect the fact that two of my nearest & dearest are on a different path to me - & thats only right & proper. What is 'good' for one is not necessarily meat & gravy to another.

[rachel88]

Channelled sources have suggested that an awful lot of us are going to have to choose,as you have done,between family/friends & ourselves. When acsension comes, those whose vibration is sufficiently high enough, will ascend, & the others will stay in the 3rd dimension. Not all family members or friends will be of the same vibration; some will make it, some wont.

what is your veiwpoint as to what the circumstances will be for it when acsension 'comes' and when that might be?

[21_12_2012]

This is very true. If they did take the time to look more fully, they would all be well aware of what's going on and the consciousness would shift. Some people are just not ready for the truth, which is a shame.

It's great that your family have finally accepted what you told them, it must have been a very trying time, but good to see you got there in the end :)


Cheers, yes it was, worst arguments ever some days. But, all i wanted to do was to tell the people i love most, so i kept on, and it was the hardest time ever really, but it paid off in the end.
They're in their 60's as well, and were very 'conditioned', but not now.
I make a point now every time i see them, i plant little seeds, not too many, but i make them aware of things going on in the news and stuff.
I try and get them to question things like "why are they showing us this?...what are they hiding? what do they want us to believe? what's behind it? " and i tell them about the 'fear-mongering' thats going on and the increased surveillance....ID card stuff, and even the microchip.
It was hard work explaining the microchip to them, but they know all about it now.
First thing i did was explain how they 'sneaked the chips in bit by bit' using pets "keep track of your pet if it gets lost'....car tracking devices....products being chipped, etc. ...and these are things they can see happening on the news now years later after i told them it would, so that is one reason why they're more awake now as well.
Also the 9-11 theory, if you point out the mistakes in the official story bit-by-bit to people, it starts to awaken them.
It is a hard job, but worth it in the end.

[thirdwave]

Well for me its worth getting used to ignorant people as well as getting used to some really cool people... because I think as the years go by you are going to see a large divide in peoples perceptions... you will see more and more open minded and spiritually aware people as we can see also in this forum and you will see more and more ignorant people who dig there heels in and fight against anything that is true or that helps us grow.... they don't want to evolve as they clearly feel they know enough and don't want to let in anymore...

I think this is due to how society is... it wants people to dig their heels in and view enslavement as a security... thats the grand plan...

i really think it all comes down to a great difficulty in having faith in your self... so you need to drag the outside down so you do not feel left behind... anyon with faith in them selfs has no need to drag others down.. why would they....... its crazy as we are all as powerful as each other... "If i cant get what i want then no one can" ....and why does it appear to be hard to get what we want?... i sence a circle here!.... maybe David is right when he says the sheep keep the sheep in line....crazy!!! ... or should I say Genius!

[mari]

I'm not sure. There are quite a few theories going around - mostly centering on yr 2011/2012. Type in these figs on google & you will get loads of sites - some good, others not so. One interesting scenario is that eveything that is NOT natural -i.e: man- made is going to disappear, as mother earth ascends, & that we will be able to experience this :eek:

[roxanna]

Channelled sources have suggested that an awful lot of us are going to have to choose,as you have done,between family/friends & ourselves. When acsension comes, those whose vibration is sufficiently high enough, will ascend, & the others will stay in the 3rd dimension. Not all family members or friends will be of the same vibration; some will make it, some wont.

Yes Mari, I agree and have come to accept it on a conscious level. As I said Im still going through the depression that comes with that knowledge that a. im hurt for not being accepted by these people (my ego I realize) b. that I miss them and can do nothing more as I cannot go back now and change my beliefs and c. that yes some will ascend others not, and that my "pack" wont be with me more more then likely. Its alot for me to take in. They even feel Im unstable in having these views and they express concern that Im raising my baby (as if she would be in better hands, like hands who will vaccinate her flouride her to dumbness etc. !) so its a hard line Im treading and Im really having to redo my life. I am for one going to make a move to another country in fact. They will find it hard to get at my little one with that and I feel I must for my little one's sake and well being. So a complicated affair it has become. But one which I believe Im doing the right thing by my little one and myself. So that is the practical, illusionary aspect of my dilema. The depression stems from the ridicule and threat posed to me and my child. It must pass and I will move on. They I hope do as well. I hope they wake up to all of this. But I cannot and will not stay behind with them. And if they dont wake well as you said some will stay here wont they. Cheers for your comment. I do feel alot of support here from others who have been through the same. Thank you soo much. It comes at a very needed time for me.

[mari]

[QUOTE=thirdwave;5426]Well for me its worth getting used to ignorant people as well as getting used to some really cool people... because I think as the years go by you are going to see a large divide in peoples perceptions... you will see more and more open minded and spiritually aware people as we can see also in this forum and you will see more and more ignorant people who dig there heels in and fight against anything that is true or that helps us grow.... they don't want to evolve as they clearly feel they know enough and don't want to let in anymore...
IQUOTE]

I think its fear that stops people from going forward. To enbrace new concepts means stepping outside of the comfort zone, & thats bloody hard to do in this fear-mongering society of ours. Thats what the illuminati want, of course

[lookfar]

Cheers, yes it was, worst arguments ever some days. But, all i wanted to do was to tell the people i love most, so i kept on, and it was the hardest time ever really, but it paid off in the end.
They're in their 60's as well, and were very 'conditioned', but not now.
I make a point now every time i see them, i plant little seeds, not too many, but i make them aware of things going on in the news and stuff.
I try and get them to question things like "why are they showing us this?...what are they hiding? what do they want us to believe? what's behind it? " and i tell them about the 'fear-mongering' thats going on and the increased surveillance....ID card stuff, and even the microchip.
It was hard work explaining the microchip to them, but they know all about it now.
First thing i did was explain how they 'sneaked the chips bit by bit' using pets "keep track of your pet if it gets lost'....car tracking devices....products being chipped, etc. ...and these are things they can see happening on the news now years later after i told them it would, so that is one reason why they're more awake now as well.
Also the 9-11 theory, if you point out the mistakes in the official story bit-by-bit to people, it starts to awaken them.
It is a hard job, but worth it in the end.

Well fair play to you for keeping at it. I'm like that with my friends & family - just dropping bits of info to them, piece by piece, that way they get time to think about it a little bit, then the more they are aware of, the more they can see the bigger picture. Not the really in-depth stuff though, (the reptilian subject is always a big no no!), but the day to day goings on. I also like the 9/11 one, there's just so much to expose on that one!

It doesn't feel nice to break their illusions by revealing the horrible truth, but you feel it's your obligation to help wake them up.

[rachel88]

i really think it all comes down to a great difficulty in having faith in your self... so you need to drag the outside down so you do not feel left behind... anyone with faith in them selfs has no need to drag others down.. why would they....... its crazy as we are all as powerful as each other... "If i cant get what i want then no one can" ....and why does it appear to be hard to get what we want?... i sence a circle here!.... maybe David is right when he says the sheep keep the sheep in line....crazy!!! ... or should I say Genius!

most definetly genius

[rachel88]

To enbrace new concepts means stepping outside of the comfort zone, & thats bloody hard to do in this fear-mongering society of ours. Thats what the illuminati want, of course

hmm.. i understand what your saying.. but for me, it was 'bloody hard' not to question the rediculousness of society.... but then again, if could be said that my comfort zone could have been to question things, and so in theory i was staying right there in the comfort zone by questioning everything around me. lol :confused: makes sence? :D

[roxanna]

Maybe I did it wrong with my family. I was asked to go visit them in the states and I said no and stated my reasons. I know the illuminati in all places but I do feel that the states is vulnerable right now, they need another "911" and Im frankly not comfortable traveling there. They asked why I said why. Then , lol, all shit broke loose and now they are closed to hearing anything I may say on any of it. I fucked up. Not that I shouldnt have gone. I still believe best not to but I didnt get the info out in the bit by bit manner. Life goes on however. Maybe a seed has been planted. I try and hope that is the case but really Im spending my time learning more and getting on with things. Bless them and may they be well. I will always be here if needed. Cheers.

[mari]

Yes Mari, I agree and have come to accept it on a conscious level. As I said Im still going through the depression that comes with that knowledge that a. im hurt for not being accepted by these people (my ego I realize) b. that I miss them and can do nothing more as I cannot go back now and change my beliefs and c. that yes some will ascend others not, and that my "pack" wont be with me more more then likely. Its alot for me to take in. They even feel Im unstable in having these views and they express concern that Im raising my baby (as if she would be in better hands, like hands who will vaccinate her flouride her to dumbness etc. !) so its a hard line Im treading and Im really having to redo my life. I am for one going to make a move to another country in fact. They will find it hard to get at my little one with that and I feel I must for my little one's sake and well being. So a complicated affair it has become. But one which I believe Im doing the right thing by my little one and myself. So that is the practical, illusionary aspect of my dilema. The depression stems from the ridicule and threat posed to me and my child. It must pass and I will move on. They I hope do as well. I hope they wake up to all of this. But I cannot and will not stay behind with them. And if they dont wake well as you said some will stay here wont they. Cheers for your comment. I do feel alot of support here from others who have been through the same. Thank you soo much. It comes at a very needed time for me.

The depression will pass. Nothing stays the same - thats universal law. Banner bearers have to take the flak that comes from pioneer thinking.
BUT! along with the darkness comes a heightened capacity for joy, & you'll find yourself becoming more & more alive & deliciously 'with it'. By this I mean, that you'll be in danger of doing what I frequently do: singing at the top of my voice in the garden/doing the chores & not giving a shit who's listening.THIS is freedom. So hang in there honey!

[chocky pud]

This is the first thread in this forum that has made me realise I am not the only person who feels isolated. Some days you feel like you're just walking in a maze with robots 'out there', so its fantastic that you are all sharing your feelings and I thnk you.

[mari]

hmm.. i understand what your saying.. but for me, it was 'bloody hard' not to question the rediculousness of society.... but then again, if could be said that my comfort zone could have been to question things, and so in theory i was staying right there in the comfort zone by questioning everything around me. lol :confused: makes sence? :D

Errrrr........hmmmm.........(scratching head) Dunno

[lookfar]

Maybe I did it wrong with my family. I was asked to go visit them in the states and I said no and stated my reasons. I know the illuminati in all places but I do feel that the states is vulnerable right now, they need another "911" and Im frankly not comfortable traveling there. They asked why I said why. Then , lol, all shit broke loose and now they are closed to hearing anything I may say on any of it. I fucked up. Not that I shouldnt have gone. I still believe best not to but I didnt get the info out in the bit by bit manner. Life goes on however. Maybe a seed has been planted. I try and hope that is the case but really Im spending my time learning more and getting on with things. Bless them and may they be well. I will always be here if needed. Cheers.

I can understand how hard this must be for you, but try not to be too down about your decision. If it felt right for you and your little one, then that's all that matters. Unfortunately we can't force people to wake up, but lets hope their time will come soon and they'll realise how right you were.

[rachel88]

This is the first thread in this forum that has made me realise I am not the only person who feels isolated. Some days you feel like you're just walking in a maze with robots 'out there', so its fantastic that you are all sharing your feelings and I thnk you.

oh definetly, the land of sheep/robots.
anyway.. glad to be of assistance

[mari]

hmm.. i understand what your saying.. but for me, it was 'bloody hard' not to question the rediculousness of society.... but then again, if could be said that my comfort zone could have been to question things, and so in theory i was staying right there in the comfort zone by questioning everything around me. lol :confused: makes sence? :D

Yes, I've finally got it! :o So,in your case, stepping outside your C Z will come when you finally have to ACT upon knowledge received from your questioning?

[rachel88]

Errrrr........hmmmm.........(scratching head) Dunno

hahahahaha lol erm .. nevermind!!!!!!

i just ment ... you said its hard for people to go against the current of how society is pushing them .. and im saying it was hard for me to go with the current of how society was pushing me .. like my insides were screaming: 'what the hell do u think ur doing?? this is a load of rubbish and you've got to know it! .. and if you think you don't.. go to the library and do some research!!'

[rachel88]

Yes, I've finally got it! :o So,in your case, stepping outside your C Z will come when you finally have to ACT upon knowledge received from your questioning?

Oh im acting all the time lol .. i think ive lost sight of my comfort zone

hm .. you know what? .. im totally and utterly confused!!!!

...anywayy!!!;)

[mari]

hahahahaha lol erm .. nevermind!!!!!!

i just ment ... you said its hard for people to go against the current of how society is pushing them .. and im saying it was hard for me to go with the current of how society was pushing me .. like my insides were screaming: 'what the hell do u think ur doing?? this is a load of rubbish and you've got to know it! .. and if you think you don't.. go to the library and do some research!!'

Aha! Thats your ego talking! The greatest saboteur around - it just LOVES to ridicule & delights in spanner-throwing.....We all have one of those:p

[roxanna]

The depression will pass. Nothing stays the same - thats universal law. Banner bearers have to take the flak that comes from pioneer thinking.
BUT! along with the darkness comes a heightened capacity for joy, & you'll find yourself becoming more & more alive & deliciously 'with it'. By this I mean, that you'll be in danger of doing what I frequently do: singing at the top of my voice in the garden/doing the chores & not giving a shit who's listening.THIS is freedom. So hang in there honey!

I have to say Thank you. All of you have helped me with this. Im not alone with it, I never thought I was but just didnt have with whom talk with honestly about where Im at with it. So hearing from others who have been through this and have gotten past is a major support. Bless!! I hope to contribute something of what I know for yours and others benefits. I would like to recommend a site I know of you may enjoy, www.freeireland.com Thank you. Ill keep my head above water and continue. And if I can ever be of help to you let me know. I mean that. Cheers.

[mari]

Oh im acting all the time lol .. i think ive lost sight of my comfort zone

hm .. you know what? .. im totally and utterly confused!!!!

...anywayy!!!;)

And! according to Jill Edwards in her brilliant 'Stepping into the Magic' books,
" confusion is a very high spiritual state"
There - you feel better now, don't you?:confused:

[mari]

I have to say Thank you. All of you have helped me with this. Im not alone with it, I never thought I was but just didnt have with whom talk with honestly about where Im at with it. So hearing from others who have been through this and have gotten past is a major support. Bless!! I hope to contribute something of what I know for yours and others benefits. I would like to recommend a site I know of you may enjoy, www.freeireland.com Thank you. Ill keep my head above water and continue. And if I can ever be of help to you let me know. I mean that. Cheers.

Thanks, & you are most welcome!

[rachel88]

And! according to Jill Edwards in her brilliant 'Stepping into the Magic' books,
" confusion is a very high spiritual state"
There - you feel better now, don't you?:confused:

:confused: ..... :rolleyes: .... ohhh yeaa!!! :D

[eternal_spirit]

bah blah bah sheeple you say? Don't listen to to the sheeple, listen to your self and your own thoughts if you can hear yourself above the noise of the blah bah bleaters?
Some people will never listen, best to keep silent at times for your own sanity, others will find truths when they are ready.

[roxanna]

Yeah confusion is nothing new to me either good to know about it being shared and yes I do feel loads better. wow bless

[roxanna]

[QUOTE=eternal_spirit;5469]bah blah bah sheeple you say? Don't listen to to the sheeple, listen to your self and your own thoughts if you can hear yourself above the noise of the blah bah bleaters?
Some people will never listen, best to keep silent at times for your own sanity, others will find truths when they are ready.[/QUOTE

Silent. I cant, not when what I know is of relevance to the ones I love. So if facing ridicule so be it, banishment? hmm ok. I cant be silent on it, I feel a need to let others know.

[mari]

no luck so far! lol
100% pure sheep so far

I'm surrounded on three sides by sheep (the real woolly things) due to living on farmland in Hicksville, but they are a darn sight more interesting than their human counterparts in the town near us.:rolleyes:

[roxanna]

I'm surrounded on three sides by sheep (the real woolly things) due to living on farmland in Hicksville, but they are a darn sight more interesting than their human counterparts in the town near us.:rolleyes:

yeah well I have their counter parts around me, cows and yes better then people by a long shot!

[lookfar]

Yeah confusion is nothing new to me either good to know about it being shared and yes I do feel loads better. wow bless

Glad you're feeling better, try to stay positive & don't let it get you down:)

[rachel88]

bah blah bah sheeple you say? Don't listen to to the sheeple, listen to your self and your own thoughts if you can hear yourself above the noise of the blah bah bleaters?
Some people will never listen, best to keep silent at times for your own sanity, others will find truths when they are ready.

yup! bravo.
((love the picture btw!! :D ))

here's somthing i jotted on new years as i watched everybody:


New years sheep

sheep crowd the streets.
following.
put poison before them,
they drink.
they're only care: not caring.
they watch the fox.
no thought for the pain.
noise, rumble, fun.
to be noticed they'll do anything.
languages that make no sense.
bleating.
all their knowledge is untrue.
the river runs free,
they don't care where it goes.
they treasure the joys of being watched.
A wolf in sheep's clothing mingles.
he watches with seeing eyes.
he mocks and devises a cunning plan.
He will kill everything.
A fox in sheep's clothing also mingles.
He also watches with seeing eyes.
He mocks and devises another cunning plan.
He will escape it all.
though close physically,
in his mind:
he is far, far away.

[johnpeters]

It certainly does and about time too:) I for one would like to attend one of his talks. I've seen all his dvd's and he does have such stage presence. It would also be good to be surrounded by so many like-minded people:)

So John or Sean - what with the new book underway, do you have any idea when the next talk is planned??????:)

There's no talks planned yet this year apart from the Mounta Shasta one. When Dave's new book is finished that might change. We're currently looking at getting more video up on the main site and letting the info travel instead of Dave. He's tired from years of globetrotting.

[eternal_spirit]

I had to read it twice but the poem fits in well with you're first post :D
You're a poet and now we know it
You have the seed time to sew it

[lookfar]

There's no talks planned yet this year apart from the Mounta Shasta one. When Dave's new book is finished that might change. We're currently looking at getting more video up on the main site and letting the info travel instead of Dave. He's tired from years of globetrotting.

Thanks for letting us know. It's a shame though, I can understand how it must tire him out, but a short talk on a specific subject would've been nice. Look forward to the video bits though.

[rachel88]

I had to read it twice but the poem fits in well with you're first post :D
You're a poet and now we know it
You have the seed time to sew it

lol danke

you're a much better poet though! just look at those rhymes! woweee! :D

[roxanna]

Glad you're feeling better, try to stay positive & don't let it get you down:)

Thank you! Im working on it! Bless. Hope you are well!

[lookfar]

Thank you! Im working on it! Bless. Hope you are well!

I am well thanks and you're welcome, anytime:) I think that when you're feeling down, it increases the negative energy that 'they' are trying to create & thrive on - we should all try to stay positive despite what's going on around us:)

[roxanna]

Im trying. You are right I believe. Cheers

[stikmata]

in my experience, people truly free from "the herd" don't elevate themselves over their brethren by referring to them as "sheeple". That's the same elitist attitude that the royals have towards the serfs... eh?

What we fight we become... seems to be the motto of the new year so far.

[roxanna]

in my experience, people truly free from "the herd" don't elevate themselves over their brethren by referring to them as "sheeple". That's the same elitist attitude that the royals have towards the serfs... eh?

What we fight we become... seems to be the motto of the new year so far.

Good point.

[rachel88]

in my experience, people truly free from "the herd" don't elevate themselves over their brethren by referring to them as "sheeple". That's the same elitist attitude that the royals have towards the serfs... eh?

What we fight we become... seems to be the motto of the new year so far.

oh please! ... i didnt elevate anyone! .. to communicate we must give lables .. without afew generally accepted labels to refer to, noone would understand anyone else. I simply described a charactoristic of people - describing them as being sheep-like, having a herd-mentality - now, if you took that to be derogetory .. it would seem like you are the one holding the 'elitist attitude' ...

i didnt say anyone was lower than myself .. i objectivly described a charactoristic i saw, and asked for help understanding how that charactoristic could be held.

[roxanna]

oh please! ... i didnt elevate anyone! .. to communicate we must give lables .. without afew generally accepted labels to refer to, noone would understand anyone else. I simply described a charactoristic of people - describing them as being sheep-like, having a herd-mentality - now, if you took that to be derogetory .. it would seem like you are the one holding the 'elitist attitude' ...

i didnt say anyone was lower than myself .. i objectivly described a charactoristic i saw, and asked for help understanding how that charactoristic could be held.

Ok Im going mad. lol. You have a point also, and its valid. Confusion...

[stikmata]

oh please! ... i didnt elevate anyone! .. to communicate we must give lables .. without afew generally accepted labels to refer to, noone would understand anyone else. I simply described a charactoristic of people - describing them as being sheep-like, having a herd-mentality - now, if you took that to be derogetory .. it would seem like you are the one holding the 'elitist attitude' ...

i didnt say anyone was lower than myself .. i objectivly described a charactoristic i saw, and asked for help understanding how that charactoristic could be held.



cool... so then you admit that you are no better than the sleeping, robotic sheep?

[i_am]

What a sensible and supportive thread. Excellent!! I understand the feeling of being alone in this mad, mad world. When you become aware, the games being played become so blatantly obvious and you wonder why others cannot see it.

I sat and watched the buildings come down on 911 and made comment that they imploded so it could only have been a controlled demolition. Everyone, at that time, thought I was insane. Hah!!! Another friend of mine quite dispassionately stated, "so now it begins."

It has been said that it is programmed into our DNA as to when we 'wake up'. I have no idea if this is right or not but it does kind of make sense as more and more are questioning the official line.

It is also said that when the pupil is ready, the teacher will come. So all of you teachers be ready. You are going to be in big demand. My family are a prime example. My daughter is onto the spiritual aspect of things but still rejects the conpiracies. My son on the other hand who rejected it all as my 'hoobie doobie hippy shit', is asking me questions. He watched The Secret and is re-reading The Science of Getting Rich. It is a start. He was recently a host at a country music festival and said that so many people were talkin about The Secret.

I never used to be able to go to shopping centres, pubs, clubs or any of those places where the vibration is coming from the base chakra. I am now over that and can be a part of it but stay detached.

[eternal_spirit]

oh please! ... i didnt elevate anyone! .. to communicate we must give lables .. without afew generally accepted labels to refer to, noone would understand anyone else. I simply described a charactoristic of people - describing them as being sheep-like, having a herd-mentality - now, if you took that to be derogetory .. it would seem like you are the one holding the 'elitist attitude' ...

i didnt say anyone was lower than myself .. i objectivly described a charactoristic i saw, and asked for help understanding how that charactoristic could be held.

It's relevant Icke used sheeple to describe a lifestyle and mindset of certain people...... You're confused Roxanna this pic is of my next door neighbour!

[roxanna]

It's relevant Icke used sheeple to describe a lifestyle and mindset of certain people...... You're confused Roxanna this pic is of my next door neighbour!

No doubt.

[rachel88]

cool... so then you admit that you are no better than the sleeping, robotic sheep?

I'm not better .. i just understand where i am coming from and my hobby used to be to understand where others are coming from .. i was having trouble understanding where some of (as you put it) my "bretheren" are coming from, and so, i posted a thread on here, ... if anything .. im lower than others, for failing to understand.

[roxanna]

If any consolation Im not better Im still learning. Have to hang in there I suppose. In fact I know, once with this knowlege where else to go?? Cant go back that i know so on ward it is for all of us and I hope to learn as much as I can and share what I have.

[stikmata]

I'm not better .. i just understand where i am coming from and my hobby used to be to understand where others are coming from .. i was having trouble understanding where some of (as you put it) my "bretheren" are coming from, and so, i posted a thread on here, ... if anything .. im lower than others, for failing to understand.

you're not lower... noone fully understands... things are very subjective... no cookie cutters... many snow flakes. the correct answer today, could be incorrect tomorrow. or maybe there is objective truth and i'm totally wrong *shrug*
:D

[stikmata]

If any consolation Im not better Im still learning. Have to hang in there I suppose. In fact I know, once with this knowlege where else to go?? Cant go back that i know so on ward it is for all of us and I hope to learn as much as I can and share what I have.

http://unlearning.org/home.htm

[rachel88]

... noone fully understands... things are very subjective... no cookie cutters... many snow flakes. the correct answer today, could be incorrect tomorrow. or maybe there is objective truth and i'm totally wrong *shrug*
:D

i agree :)

[stikmata]

that's a shame :(

i was hoping you'd argue w/ me

[rachel88]

that's a shame :(

i was hoping you'd argue w/ me

hahahahahahahahaha!!!! nope, sorry!!

but thankyou very much for arguing with me! i was hopeing someone would ;)

[stikmata]

i didn't argue w/ you... just a little discussion... you seemed pretty offended though :P

[roxanna]

I will see this stikmata, thank you.

[rachel88]

i didn't argue w/ you... just a little discussion... you seemed pretty offended though :P

haha nope i wasnt offended at all! I love a little debate .. you seemed to be the offended one to me!!:p

[stikmata]

I will see this stikmata, thank you.

don't bother... it's all disinfo

haha nope i wasnt offended at all! I love a little debate .. you seemed to be the offended one to me!!:p

oh please!... i'm never offended by anyone!... in order to be offended one must have something communicated to them w/ labels that they find offensive. I simply reacted as i would have in any normal conversation where ideas were being exchanged.

so i wasn't offended... i objectivly described the scenario to my understanding or lack thereof

;)

[roxanna]

ill still see it and see for myself

[rachel88]

oh please!... i'm never offended by anyone!... in order to be offended one must have something communicated to them w/ labels that they find offensive. I simply reacted as i would have in any normal conversation where ideas were being exchanged.

so i wasn't offended... i objectivly described the scenario to my understanding or lack thereof

;)

you know what? i was sitting here waiting for somthing clever to come to mind .. but I'm going to- just this once mind you- let you win..

..and I shall blame it on the lateness..

its late!:D

[stikmata]

ill still see it and see for myself

excellent decision, IMVHO

you're welcome

[stikmata]

you know what? i was sitting here waiting for somthing clever to come to mind .. but I'm going to- just this once mind you- let you win..

..and I shall blame it on the lateness..

its late!:D

actually... you are the winner in this instance. clearly by refusing to participate in my childish arguing you've shown yourself to be the better person... you've earned the right to call me sheeple... well done. :cool:

[roxanna]

fuck well done mates!

[rachel88]

actually... you are the winner in this instance. clearly by refusing to participate in my childish arguing you've shown yourself to be the better person... you've earned the right to call me sheeple... well done. :cool:

woohooo!!!!!!!!!!!

shheepplle, sheeeppleee!! all these people are sheepeepleple!! :D
meeeehhh!! baaa!!! baaa!!! meeeh! baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

phew! that was fun!

now whos the winner? :rolleyes:

:eek: its you!! coz i used this as an excuse to dance around the room and destress by shouting out sheeple!!! :'( you win!!





**please excuse childishness ... i can be abit silly at times***

[stikmata]

hahahahaha!

what do i get?! some kind of trophy?!?... do i get to be a super mod maybe? perhaps i can get some points back! :P

you're nice and eliete, above the sheeple... see what you can bestow upon me

you're still better than i ... so you still probably win in the end :(

[rachel88]

hahahahaha!

what do i get?! some kind of trophy?!?... do i get to be a super mod maybe? perhaps i can get some points back! :P

you're nice and eliete, above the sheeple... see what you can bestow upon me

you're still better than i ... so you still probably win in the end :(

lol ..ok! .. i ..er... i bestow upon you... um .. this .. er.. lovely little.. um .. this lovely little 4 leaf clover which i do see 10 yards yonder!! go elfs!! go and fetch what i do see and when thou hast caught it, secure it into thine hands and bring it to the noble stikmata. for he is indeed... the winner.

**3 cheers for stikmata!!!! hip-hip... horrey!!!! hip-hip... horrey!!!! hip-hip... horreyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**

[stikmata]

wow... i think i just found my signature... thank you dearest rachel... i am humbled immensly

[stikmata]

how's it look?

[rachel88]

hahaha!! AMAZING!! !!

you are most welcome indeed! :D

[stikmata]

uh oh... you know what i just realized?

this thread has gone WAY off topic... i hope it doesn't get locked... if so, i appologize in advance Rach... this was a forbbidden converstaion... but i did enjoy myself and laughed heartily... so if i lose some freedom points, it was well worth it

:D

[rachel88]

uh oh... you know what i just realized?

this thread has gone WAY off topic... i hope it doesn't get locked... if so, i appologize in advance Rach... this was a forbbidden converstaion... but i did enjoy myself and laughed heartily... so if i lose some freedom points, it was well worth it

:D

uh oh ... freedom points? .. for what? .. i joined yesturday ... i didnt know you could loose points for changing the subject of a thread? ... :confused: ... oh well! now i know ... nevermind

what do u mean by forbidden conversation?

-what about if we change the subject back now?..-

[stikmata]

uh oh ... freedom points? .. for what? .. i joined yesturday ... i didnt know you could loose points for changing the subject of a thread? ... :confused: ... oh well! now i know ... nevermind

well... i don't know if you lose them for that... you see, there's no real guidelines that are in writing as far as i know... it's at the discretion of the moderators... pretty subjective.... for instance... i lost 9 points yesterday (3 infractions of 3) for trying to share some information about chakra healing on the kundalini thread... granted, this was controversial info... and it consisted of a particular sex act... but if i'm not mistaken, David himself preached of the wonders of tantric sex... i'm not sure how much i can say w/ out losing more points... so i guess i should just hush.

[rachel88]

hm.. well .. the only thing i read was to not advertise .. and to not be mean to other people.. and i didnt do those .. so i guess i'll see!!

I'll just bring the whole thing back to topic just incase anyway ..

so... do we generally think that ignorance is a choice? or is it genetic? .. or perhapse just because these people havnt been in situations where they can experience somthing other to the veiw that they have been generally brought up with?

it's very interesting.. hm .. and what do we think.. should we try to leave these people to all of this ignorance? .. or should we try to show these people the knowledge which is the firemen banging on the door waiting to be let in a rescue everyone from the flames?

[stikmata]

it's certainly not genetic... as there are ignorant parents with amazingly aware children. Although intelligence is sort of genetic, and aware parents usually teach there children more than ignorant.

it's a choice and it's a choice you are making constantly... and it's a choice where the answer isn't always the same... is it ignorant to ignore the existence of Zionism? yep... but isn't it also pretty ignorant to ramble on about how everything is the Jew's fault all the time? yep!... it's a balancing act... and just because you're a little "awake" about one area/topic of life/conspiracy... it doens't mean you are AWAKE and immune from ignorace.... so in a way... you sort of have to embrace ignorance, IMO... strive for knowledge... but realize that you'll never fully obtain any


or something like that

[stikmata]

so.... how's the weather?

[oceanwave]

heres a question: I really dont understand how you people cope. How do you guys stay sane as you live in this world filled with people deep in ignorance over their smiling faces. Really. How do you do it? I can hardley walk through a shopping centre without, seriously, almost falling down, overwhelmed by the plain sheep of people.

just laugh at the absurdity of it all...

...it is a mysterious universe after all...

:)

Do you conform to the main way of usual life while you're with people who dont want to know these things and whats going on?

...yes...

Do the people you spend time/work with share your thirst for knowledge?

depends what you mean by 'knowledge'...

...firstly there is experiential knowledge and intellectual knowledge

...in both cases, no...not really, lol...

How do you do it?

...i don't...;)

When you know things .. I swear.. It is truely impossible to go back to normal life..

...indeed...

:D

[rachel88]

what an excelent collection of points!! thank you very much for sharing.

um.. the wearther seems to be quite cold and still a little snowey from yesturday, here in london ...

but i shouldnt leave the subject there.. see.. i do learn..

anyone else wanna comment on the ignorance.. ?

[roxanna]

ok

[rachel88]

just laugh at the absurdity of it all...

...it is a mysterious universe after all...


...indeed...

:D

wow!! .. another great collection of points!! :D thanks for sharing

you seem very tranquil

[roxanna]

Me. I hope and dont care if Im
found" is me my views apar from the norm I dont care If my face seen Ive lost much now who bothers

[oceanwave]

wow!! .. another great collection of points!! :D thanks for sharing

...your welcome and thanks...

you seem very tranquil

...sometimes...

:)

[stikmata]

wow!! .. another great collection of points!! :D thanks for sharing

you seem very tranquil


ocean wave is THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE coolest!

[roxanna]

maybe I should take off, my point is a face to the name to the posts to what I know
not sure on this but if ive lost it all my face i dont care they see

[stikmata]

maybe I should take off, my point is a face to the name to the posts to what I know
not sure on this but if ive lost it all my face i dont care they see

nooooo... don't leave... you're safe

[roxanna]

nooooo... don't leave... you're safe

point is I no longer care let them see me. My passport already chipped etc. I do not care now. I losed alot already more.... hmm done think so.

[roxanna]

I will put on my old avatar best sorry I only thought that by showing my face I was making a point. Let them put me on there books etc ok I stand by all of this is what I was meaning to say.

[roxanna]

ok I chose a new one. I like

[mari]

in my experience, people truly free from "the herd" don't elevate themselves over their brethren by referring to them as "sheeple". That's the same elitist attitude that the royals have towards the serfs... eh?

What we fight we become... seems to be the motto of the new year so far.

I take your point, & I stand corrected (& shamed !:o )

[rachel88]

I take your point, & I stand corrected (& shamed !:o )

lol oh no.. not again!! read the debate lol .. we decided i wasnt being elitist ..

[johnpeters]

Thanks for letting us know. It's a shame though, I can understand how it must tire him out, but a short talk on a specific subject would've been nice. Look forward to the video bits though.

If anything gets planned we'll let everyone know in plenty of time.

Personally I suggested a couple of talks in Brussels or Holland as they're easy countries to get to from most of Europe. But like I said before, David's tired and would rather the information travelled instead of him.

[lookfar]

If anything gets planned we'll let everyone know in plenty of time.

Personally I suggested a couple of talks in Brussels or Holland as they're easy countries to get to from most of Europe. But like I said before, David's tired and would rather the information travelled instead of him.

Thanks John.

Shame - a talk or two in Europe would've been good & might've helped to drum up some cash for the legal fund... just a thought :)

[eternal_spirit]

ok I chose a new one. I like

What is that pic of:confused: ? Looks like some dead animal eeeeeeew

[roxanna]

What is that pic of:confused: ? Looks like some dead animal eeeeeeew

Supposedly its a dead reptile/person thingy. If it is or not dont know.

[tk__]

i find similar people to hang out with, and try to ignore the crazy & really dumb people.

[2013]

Personally,i try to keep a toe in the 'old'world, & a foot(even as far up as my shin!) in the emerging one.
I'm also aware of sheeple - up where I live (north-west UK -i'm not native) people tend to be more entrenched in the old ways. I cannot have a meaningful conversation with most people here - I've tried & got some strange looks. Hot topics here include soaps on TV/who's died/who's pregnant/illnesses(they wear their illnesses like badges/family feuds/more soaps etc. It drives me crazy.
I've found that I've drifted away from old friends as my beliefs have changed.
Even my family,still entrenched in negative ways, see even less of me now.
I think that you need to make an effort to seek out like-minded souls, even on the 'net if you live in a one-horse town, like me.

I was born and brought up in the north west , i know what it is like to feel outside of everything and one , just keep the faith that u r on the right path.After moving down south i finaly met up with like minded people and could discuss and explore those aspects of life ? lol reality etc that had always interested me .Although it took over 20 years to find .Seek out spiritual groups and yoga meditation classes etc u may make some connections like that .Till then u still have the net , wich i never had back then,but everything unfolds as it should the time is always right.Everything is now when u feel u r getting nowhere remember you are Now Here!:D

[2013]

This prophecy from the hopi indians was released to the world around the year 1999/2000. I first saw it at the green gathering festival being passed around , i think it makes lots of sense to the path we are following .When u can let go and let fear go and go with the flow then everything falls into place , i know this from experience ,time and again but still get the ocasional blip of fear trying to throw me off balance .Enjoy the prophecy and dont dream it be it .:D

Where are you living? What are you doing? What are your relationships?

Are you in right relation? Where is your water?

Know your garden. It is time to speak your Truth.

Create your community. Be good to each other.

And do not look outside yourself for the leader.

Then he clasped his hands together, smiled, and said, `This could be a good time! There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water. And I say, see who is in there with you and celebrate. At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally. Least of all, ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt. The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves! Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.

`We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.`

Oraibi, Arizona Hopi Nation

[mari]

Living in the 'now' is what we all aspire to, ( well, those that know what the 'now' is) but its not easy to integrate this with everyday life on a constant basis. It takes strong discipline at first.

Back down south, I already knew of ike-minded people & attended various workshops, but I gave this all up to follow my partner up north when he took early retirement. What a big mistake, & a hard lesson learned. I now have to wait until he decides to sell up again, & I can take a split on the profits, move back down to where I honestly feel my heart is & live the kind of life which has been 'calling' to me for ages, & to which I have steadily ignored for the sake of married 'security'. Well, we learn!

[mari]

This prophecy from the hopi indians was released to the world around the year 1999/2000. I first saw it at the green gathering festival being passed around , i think it makes lots of sense to the path we are following .When u can let go and let fear go and go with the flow then everything falls into place , i know this from experience ,time and again but still get the ocasional blip of fear trying to throw me off balance .Enjoy the prophecy and dont dream it be it .:D

Where are you living? What are you doing? What are your relationships?

Are you in right relation? Where is your water?

Know your garden. It is time to speak your Truth.

Create your community. Be good to each other.

And do not look outside yourself for the leader.

Then he clasped his hands together, smiled, and said, `This could be a good time! There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water. And I say, see who is in there with you and celebrate. At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally. Least of all, ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt. The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves! Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.

`We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.`

Oraibi, Arizona Hopi Nation

I have long admired the Hopi. My fascination with them started when I watched the film 'Koyannisquatsi' & its 'life out of balance' theme. It remains one of my all-time favourites

[awakensong]

heres a question: I really dont understand how you people cope. How do you guys stay sane as you live in this world filled with people deep in ignorance over their smiling faces. Really. How do you do it? I can hardley walk through a shopping centre without, seriously, almost falling down, overwhelmed by the plain sheep of people.

Do you conform to the main way of usual life while you're with people who dont want to know these things and whats going on?

Do the people you spend time/work with share your thirst for knowledge?

How do you do it?

When you know things .. I swear.. It is truely impossible to go back to normal life..

Here is where I do believe in "evolution". People have to be psychologically and spiritually "ready" for this or it either won't "take", or they won't find it or hear of it, or they will laugh, get angry or scoff at it.

Think about the steps and stages you went through before this became known to you. We may have no idea how much our past lives have played a part in getting us ready for this.

Some people are choosing only the material things of this world, and that is a sign they have not evolved past that point yet.

[rachel88]

Here is where I do believe in "evolution". People have to be psychologically and spiritually "ready" for this or it either won't "take", or they won't find it or hear of it, or they will laugh, get angry or scoff at it.

Think about the steps and stages you went through before this became known to you. We may have no idea how much our past lives have played a part in getting us ready for this.

Some people are choosing only the material things of this world, and that is a sign they have not evolved past that point yet.

i do agree.. but .. hm.. do u rekon that people who are not yet 'ready' should just be left to get on , on their own? .. can't we perhaps speed up the process a little with our efforts no matter how measely

[awakensong]

I had just posted a new thread here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676

Let me know if that helps answer what you've asked.

Otherwise, I take Ghandi's advice on the matter - "You must be the change you wish to see in the world". Model it for everyone to see. They'll want to know what you have that they don't. ;) :D

I just saw a bumper sticker the other day that simply said: "Be Love".

[awakensong]

P.S. There will be two different outcomes for all of this, as I understand it. Those who are awake and have raised their consciousness into Love will graduate with the Earth. Those who haven't will be left back to go through another opportunity to do so.

The Law of Allowance and Acceptance comes into this. We cannot force or "talk" others to our way of thinking, and should not be trying to do so. Like I said, model it, and if they like it, they'll want to know more.

The 100th Monkey thing works, too, but we have to work it and work "at" it.

[rachel88]

...The 100th Monkey thing works, too, but we have to work it and work "at" it.

**nods in agreement**

or else live soley on m.gold and try to ascent before time:confused: .. maybe not..

[oceanwave]

...The 100th Monkey thing works, too, but we have to work it and work "at" it.

spank the monkey!...

...oops!...

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9974/blushyt8.gif

**nods in agreement**

or else live soley on m.gold and try to ascent before time:confused: .. maybe not..

how can you ascend, or descend before time?...

...when that "time" is 'now'...

:D;)

[rachel88]

how can you ascend, or descend before time?...

...when that "time" is 'now'...



very true .. i stand corrected

[awakensong]

Does anyone know more about this at Michael Cremo's site? He is the author who wrote Human Devolution and Fobidden Archeology. I watched an interview on TV with him today. He said humans are here to remove the 'overlay' that has been put upon Consciousness.

An interesting sidenote is how he told that at the beginning of the Darwin theory, Darwin had a partner named Wallace, and the theory used to be called the "Wallace-Darwin Theory", but mainstream scientists eventually removed the "Wallace" name because that man had gone into the paranormal and metaphysical evidence that humans are more than just our bodies.

Cremo says there are 3 levels to our existence: matter, mind and consciousness.

However, at his site he also has this information:

http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/ (click in right menu on "All in a Day of Brahma")

What does Krishna mean by the beginning of creation? According to the Puranas (Vedic histories), there have been innumerable creations in the course of cyclical time. The basic unit of Vedic cyclical time is the day of Brahma, which lasts 4.32 billion years.

The day of Brahma (also called a kalpa) is followed by a night of Brahma, also lasting 4.32 billion years. The cycle of days and nights of Brahma toes on for Brahma's lifetime of one hundred years (36,000 nights), equivalent to 311.04 trillion of our human years.

During the day of Brahma, life, including human life, is manifest. During the night of Brahma, life is not manifest.

Clicking on the next link there at the bottom of that page, it says at the beginning:

"Outside of the three planetary systems, the four Yugas multiplied by one thousand comprise one day on the planet of Brahma. A similar period comprises a night of Brahma, in which the creator of the universe goes to sleep."

[lappitypup]

spank the monkey!...

...oops!...

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9974/blushyt8.gif



how can you ascend, or descend before time?...

...when that "time" is 'now'...

:D;)

Ohh ohhh here's another one that thinks he's in communion with 'the universe' :rolleyes:

[oceanwave]

Ohh ohhh here's another one that thinks he's in communion with 'the universe' :rolleyes:

lappitup, i take it you are not?...

...btw, i prefer 'connected' rather than 'communion'...

:D

[lappitypup]

lappitup, i take it you are not?...

...btw, i prefer 'connected' rather than 'communion'...

:D

Well, you should know...:eek:

[thirdwave]

Sorry guys and gals of the real thread.. not your fault but going to have to close this one for obvious reasons.... don't you just love these bringers of "freedom" :rolleyes: