Who controls the Ukraine ?

[dell66759]

Hmm, he could it possible be ... ?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Ukraine.html

And who do you think most likely controls Russia, USA, EU, etc... ?

[montag]

Hey dell, why don't you open a thread titled something like 'The Evil Jews that run the world' or something, then you could place all your unsavory posts in the one place.

I may even make it a sticky..;)

[dell66759]

Good point, problem is there is so much stuff I'm finding every day. Maybe I'll just start a Web site and update it every day.

[fullfathomfive]

Good point, problem is there is so much stuff I'm finding every day. Maybe I'll just start a Web site and update it every day.

Either you have a very ironic sense of humour, or you're not very bright.

[dell66759]

Either you have a very ironic sense of humour, or you're not very bright.

you decide

[december]

Hey dell, why don't you open a thread titled something like 'The Evil Jews that run the world' or something, then you could place all your unsavory posts in the one place.

I may even make it a sticky..;)

Why do you attack the man just for posting information?


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/66/250px-Chumachenko_Kat.jpg

Wife of the president of Ukraine Kateryna Chumachenko-Yushchenko with her husband.


Candidate's U.S.-born wife fights for Ukraine
Sunday, December 5, 2004
Russell Working - - Chicago Tribune
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As presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko barnstormed Ukraine this fall, he was often greeted by signs that read, "American son-in-law, go home!" His opponents have circulated leaflets and posters portraying him as Uncle Sam, his wife as a CIA agent and the United States as a mosquito sucking the blood of the Eastern European nation. The reason for the attacks was his Chicago-born wife, Kateryna Chumachenko Yushchenko. The daughter of Ukrainian immigrants, the Prospect High School graduate has found herself in the maelstrom of one of the world's most bitterly fought elections.

http://www.pelicanfile.com/reporter.cfm/ReporterID/4122.cfm

While at AEI from 2002 to 2005, Sikorski also served as director of the New Atlantic Initiative, a neo-con contrivance that counts among its adherents Kateryna Chumachenko Yushchenko and her husband, Viktor Yushchenko, the "Orange Revolution" President of Ukraine. Chumachenko served in the Reagan White House and State and Treasury Departments and later worked for KPMG as "Katherine Chumachenko." Chumachenko worked in the White House Public Liaison Office where she conducted outreach to various right-wing and anti-communist exile groups in the United States, including the other bastion of the neo-cons, The Heritage Foundation and Friends of Afghanistan, on whose board Afghan refugee and current Bush pro-consul in Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, sat. Khalilzad, like Chumachenko, worked in the Reagan State Department.


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http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/resource/findaid/chumache.htm

http://www.brama.com/news/press/2005/thumbs/050405tda_boston-yushchenko-kennedy-kateryna.JPG

[fullfathomfive]

you decide

:D

[dell66759]

Why do you attack the man just for posting information?


Because this kind of information is not acceptable to the gatekeepers.
And this to me just validates my research.

I could be posting lies about Cathoilcs or Jesuits and everybody would be in agreement. None of my post would ever get deleted as has already happened to a good number of them.

Obviusly most of the people here have no interest in searching for truth.

THis is exactly what I expected when I started posting in this forum.

[december]

you decide

http://www.yuschenko.com.ua/img/photos/0/499_small.jpg

http://www.yuschenko.com.ua/img/photos/0/214_small.jpg

http://www.yuschenko.com.ua/img/photos/0/233_small.jpg


http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/victor_bird.jpg

Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko (Ukrainian: Віктор Андрійович Ющенко (help·info)) (born February 23, 1954) has been the President of Ukraine since November 2004.

As an informal leader of the Ukrainian opposition coalition, he was one of three main candidates in the October–November 2004 Ukrainian presidential election. Yushchenko won the election through a recount of the runoff between him and Viktor Yanukovych, the government supported candidate. The Ukrainian Supreme Court called for the recount due to widespread election fraud in favor of Victor Yanukovych in the original run-off. The court determined that Yushchenko had won (53% to 47%). Public protests prompted by the electoral fraud played a major role in that presidential election, and the term Orange Revolution, which Yushchenko promoted, refers to the protests over that disputed election.

Viktor Yushchenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[montag]

Why do you attack the man just for posting information?

It's a hobby of mine..

[december]

Hey dell, why don't you open a thread titled something like 'The Evil Jews that run the world' or something, then you could place all your unsavory posts in the one place.

I may even make it a sticky..;)


Hey, montag, where does it say 'The Evil Jews' in the article?
Did you actually read it or not really?

Here's a quote for you:

...We are not anti-Semites. However, we believe it is dishonorable and demeaning to stay quiet when Zionists are taking over the political and economic spheres of our country. We must let people know the truth about the doings of Zionists in Ukraine.

...He told the truth about the vicious activities of Zionists in Ukraine.

...We cannot allow Zionists to destroy Ukraine.



Because this kind of information is not acceptable to the gatekeepers.
And this to me just validates my research.

I could be posting lies about Cathoilcs or Jesuits and everybody would be in agreement. None of my post would ever get deleted as has already happened to a good number of them.

Obviusly most of the people here have no interest in searching for truth.

THis is exactly what I expected when I started posting in this forum.

On this OFFICIAL David Icke forum it is aparantly OK to hate white people and post filthy pornagraphic messages, but when someone posts an INFORMATION about the Jews, the moderators close the thread and/or write threatening letters to the poster.

Well, this makes me wonder - WHO really runs this forum... :cool:

So, why is there SO MUCH HATE towards white people here?

Does David Icke know what's going on on his forum or is he no longer into Infinite Love?

[montag]

Because this kind of information is not acceptable to the gatekeepers.
And this to me just validates my research.

I could be posting lies about Cathoilcs or Jesuits and everybody would be in agreement. None of my post would ever get deleted as has already happened to a good number of them.


The Catholics and Jesuits are organizations, Jews are a race of people, that argument doesn't hold water.
I'm not against you posting this information dell, nor do any of us here wish to act as gatekeepers, but given the sensitivities involved when broaching this subject you need to present yourself a little better. Most of your posts are half ramblings and links to other websites. Most of us on this forum are not new to this information and we realize the influence sections of the Jewish community play in world affairs, but if I was Jewish myself I would feel insulted coming on to a forum where all the Jews of the world get lumped in with the criminals.

[dell66759]

"if you want to defeat the opposition you have to become the opposition"
--Lenin

This is what I think is happening. The enemies knew that they were going to be exposed so they raised a lot of "truthseekers" who hijacked the masses to their poisonous and fraudulent version of truth. A lot of what they say is true
and makes sense and that's what makes the masses to believe and follow these people. It just couldn't be anymore simple.

[montag]

Hey, montag, where does it say 'The Evil Jews' in the article?

It didn't, I made that bit up myself..

[dell66759]

but if I was Jewish myself I would feel insulted coming on to a forum where all the Jews of the world get lumped in with the criminals.

I cannot in good conscience post things that would blame just the elite Jews for the evils in the world. I absolutely believe tha jews as a whole are the problem. They work as a unit. Even if the lower level jews are not invloved in any of the evil activities they certainly give their approval (or at least lack of opposition). And that's the problem. Do I believe there are some good and innocent jews ? Yes I do. I know some. But I don't believe there are many of them.

[december]

The fact that wife of the president of Ukraine Kateryna Chumachenko is a CIA agent was ignored?...

While at AEI from 2002 to 2005, Sikorski also served as director of the New Atlantic Initiative, a neo-con contrivance that counts among its adherents Kateryna Chumachenko Yushchenko and her husband, Viktor Yushchenko, the "Orange Revolution" President of Ukraine. Chumachenko served in the Reagan White House and State and Treasury Departments and later worked for KPMG as "Katherine Chumachenko." Chumachenko worked in the White House Public Liaison Office where she conducted outreach to various right-wing and anti-communist exile groups in the United States, including the other bastion of the neo-cons, The Heritage Foundation and Friends of Afghanistan, on whose board Afghan refugee and current Bush pro-consul in Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, sat. Khalilzad, like Chumachenko, worked in the Reagan State Department.

http://www.brama.com/news/press/2005/thumbs/050405tda_boston-yushchenko-kennedy-kateryna.JPG

[montag]

I absolutely believe tha jews as a whole are the problem.
...and you are the reaction, what do you think the solution will be this time dell..??

[anoninnyc]

I cannot in good conscience post things that would blame just the elite Jews for the evils in the world. I absolutely believe tha jews as a whole are the problem. They work as a unit. Even if the lower level jews are not invloved in any of the evil activities they certainly give their approval (or at least lack of opposition). And that's the problem. Do I believe there are some good and innocent jews ? Yes I do. I know some. But I don't believe there are many of them.

you should check out the work of norman finkelstein, of jewish descent, an extremely vocal anti-zionist and as good of a human being as you will ever meet. listen, i live in new york city and know have many jewish friends. i come from a muslim background though i am not religious at all. making blanket statements about whole groups of people is a very dangerous thing. you said that you do know some good and innocent jews. well, perhaps you just need to get out more. the jews that were killed and/or tortured in the holocaust were the victims of jews and gentiles both. these same jews or their families later got swindled out of much money by fellow jews.... read the holocaust industry by finkelstein. many don't want to believe the true magnitude of evil that is going on and can turn a blind eye to the truth, but how is that any different from what americans are doing or muslim extremists in the middle east? every group is guilty of this because it is easier and safer to turn a blind eye to all of this crap.

[december]

...and you are the reaction, what do you think the solution will be this time dell..??

I want everyone to note how Montag is pushing this thread to the edge.
He creats a problem... But we already know the formula works -
PROBLEM - REACTION - SOLUTION.

http://www.newsforthesoul.com/graphics/alliance/David01.gif

You are very skilfull manipulator, Mr. Forum Advisor... :D


...We are not anti-Semites. However, we believe it is dishonorable and demeaning to stay quiet when Zionists are taking over the political and economic spheres of our country. We must let people know the truth about the doings of Zionists in Ukraine.

...He told the truth about the vicious activities of Zionists in Ukraine.

...We cannot allow Zionists to destroy Ukraine.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Ukraine.html

[december]

you should check out the work of norman finkelstein...

And you should check out Deuteronomy in the Old Testament:

:)


Chapter 7

When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:

Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.

And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.
If thou shalt say in thine heart, These nations are more than I; how can I dispossess them?
Thou shalt not be afraid of them: but shalt well remember what the LORD thy God did unto Pharaoh, and unto all Egypt;

The great temptations which thine eyes saw, and the signs, and the wonders, and the mighty hand, and the stretched out arm, whereby the LORD thy God brought thee out: so shall the LORD thy God do unto all the people of whom thou art afraid.

Moreover the LORD thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed.
Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

And the LORD thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: thou mayest not consume them at once, lest the beasts of the field increase upon thee.
But the LORD thy God shall deliver them unto thee, and shall destroy them with a mighty destruction, until they be destroyed.
And he shall deliver their kings into thine hand, and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them.

The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Deuteronomy.html

[december]

the jews that were killed and/or tortured in the holocaust were the victims of jews and gentiles both.

or muslim extremists in the middle east? every group is guilty of this because it is easier and safer to turn a blind eye to all of this crap.

What does holocaust or some "muslim extremists in the middle east" has to do with this thread, anoninnyc?

:D

[anoninnyc]

i would really rather not. the old testament is filled with such filth. and i am not much of a fan of the talmud either. but the thing about being jewish is it can have two meanings..... one is being ethnically jewish and the other is adhering to the religion of judaism. norman finkelstein does not believe in judaism nor does every jew. i have an issue with many judaic writings because of their racist nature.

[montag]

making blanket statements about whole groups of people is a very dangerous thing.
Why beat around the bush anoninnyc, lets call it what it is, racism.

[anoninnyc]

What does holocaust or some "muslim extremists in the middle east" has to do with this thread, anoninnyc?

:D

why don't you go back and read my message. i quoted from dell66.... and that post was in response to him

[anoninnyc]

Why beat around the bush anoninnyc, instead call it what it is, racism.

It is most definitely racism. It is one of the most useful tools of the illuminati to divide and conquer.

[december]

i would really rather not. the old testament is filled with such filth.

What do you mean? :)
I see no logic in what you say....

The Old Testament is a set of Jewish laws, it is Judaism in other words...
And the Jews are people who believe in Judaism.


Deuteronomy, Chapter 7

When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Deuteronomy.html

[december]

Why beat around the bush anoninnyc, lets call it what it is, racism.

In other words, you want to label a poster.

I see that you do not want to discus the subject, but insist on your agenda, Montag :)


We already know HOW the formula works -
PROBLEM - REACTION - SOLUTION.

http://www.newsforthesoul.com/graphics/alliance/David01.gif

You are very skilfull manipulator, Mr. Forum Advisor... :D


...We are not anti-Semites. However, we believe it is dishonorable and demeaning to stay quiet when Zionists are taking over the political and economic spheres of our country. We must let people know the truth about the doings of Zionists in Ukraine.

...He told the truth about the vicious activities of Zionists in Ukraine.

...We cannot allow Zionists to destroy Ukraine.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Ukraine.html

[fullfathomfive]

I want everyone to note how Montag is pushing this thread to the edge.

Hold onto your hats ladies & gentlemen. December is about to maul us with his impression of a dead sheep.

[anoninnyc]

What do you mean? :)
I see no logic in what you say....

The Old Testament is a set of Jewish laws, it is Judaism in other words...
And the Jews are people who believe in Judaism.


Deuteronomy, Chapter 7

When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Deuteronomy.html

While I think that Judaism as a religion is inherently racist, I realize that the word Jewish has two meanings. One is a follower of the religion of Judaism and the other means someone who is ethnically Jewish (and could very well be atheist, buddhist or whatever). Also many people who say they are religious never actually read their own religious texts or truly follow them that carefully, or just pick and choose what they like. Look at all of the Christians and Muslims having pre-marital sex.

[peachped]

It is most definitely racism. It is one of the most useful tools of the illuminati to divide and conquer.

This thread must be closed down, it has descended into unauthorised debate. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
:rolleyes:

[december]

Hold onto your hats ladies & gentlemen. December is about to maul us with his impression of a dead sheep.

Don't try to be a comedian, fullfathomfive. Better post something related to the subject.

http://www.yuschenko.com.ua/img/photos/0/233_small.jpg

[december]

This thread must be closed down, it has descended into unauthorised debate. :rolleyes:

So, it is not authorised to say that wife of the president of Ukraine Kateryna Chumachenko is a CIA agent?...

While at AEI from 2002 to 2005, Sikorski also served as director of the New Atlantic Initiative, a neo-con contrivance that counts among its adherents Kateryna Chumachenko Yushchenko and her husband, Viktor Yushchenko, the "Orange Revolution" President of Ukraine. Chumachenko served in the Reagan White House and State and Treasury Departments and later worked for KPMG as "Katherine Chumachenko." Chumachenko worked in the White House Public Liaison Office where she conducted outreach to various right-wing and anti-communist exile groups in the United States, including the other bastion of the neo-cons, The Heritage Foundation and Friends of Afghanistan, on whose board Afghan refugee and current Bush pro-consul in Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, sat. Khalilzad, like Chumachenko, worked in the Reagan State Department.

http://www.brama.com/news/press/2005/thumbs/050405tda_boston-yushchenko-kennedy-kateryna.JPG

[fullfathomfive]

An Ukrainian died and was sent to hell. He walked through an isle accompanied by a demon on duty and saw bowls with boiling oil. Above one of the bowls there was a sign which read "Jews." Next to that bowl three demons held watch. Above the other bowl, there was a sign which read, "Ukrainians." There were no guards at that bowl.
"Why do you guard the Jews?"
The demon answered, "Because if one of them manages to clamber out, he at once lends a hand to others."
"But why no guards at the Ukrainians?"
"No need. If one of them manages to scramble up, the others at once pull him back down."

[montag]

[b]In other words, you want to label a poster.
Yep, why not call a spade a spade(pun intended)..:D

I see that you do not want to discus the subject, but insist on your agenda, Montag
I thought the subject was the Jews?

You are very skilfull manipulator, Mr. Forum Advisor...
Thank you, I work out..:cool:

[dell66759]

...and you are the reaction, what do you think the solution will be this time dell..??

I think the solution should be exactly what Hitler proposed and that is the complete separation.

The Final Solution of Hitler was to move all the Jews to Madagascar. There was never a plan to exterminate them.

So I say put them all on some island so they can live among themselves.

[december]

I think the solution should be exactly what Hitler proposed and that is the complete separation.

The Final Solution of Hitler was to move all the Jews to Madagascar. There was never a plan to exterminate them.

So I say put them all on some island so they can live among themselves.

Hello, Dell66759. :)

Once you understand that the Jews are people who believe in Judaism and therefore they are not a nation or different race then you realise that you don't need to move anyone anywhere.

It's about religion and not people.

So, don't be FOOLED by Nazi propaganda because most likely you will find Jews behind it, as it was the case with Reich Minister for the occupied Eastern Territories Jew Alfred Rosenberg...

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Alfred_Rosenberg.jpg


Rosenberg was also the Nazi Party's chief racial theorist, in charge of building a human racial ladder that justified Hitler's policies. Rosenberg built on the works of Arthur de Gobineau, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and Madison Grant, as well as the beliefs of Hitler. Rosenberg, lacking knowledge of anthropology, did not have the scientific resources over which Grant and others disposed, and thus chose to base his racial theories on philosophical ideas rather than scientific research.

Alfred Rosenberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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