Law of the Jungle or the NWO?

[joy division]

I have started thinking maybe we need the NWO just without the de population thing and surveillance.

Do you really want law of the jungle?

[dlb2007]

do we have law of the jungle now?

[joy division]

do we have law of the jungle now?

We did before the empires didnt we?


England would have been a horrible place to live pre romans.

[dlb2007]

I believe in Catholicism as opposed to Atheist/secularism/facism/Communism etc and law of the jungle. (after all the NWO believe in social darwinism... survival of the fitest... The Law of the Jungle)

[rydeon]

I have started thinking maybe we need the NWO just without the de population thing and surveillance.

Do you really want law of the jungle?

Bring on the jungle! All it means is nations get to choose their own destiny and don't need to belong to that insidious and perfidious UN we sink money into every year.

England a horrible place to live pre-roman times?

Are you kidding?

Celtic civilisation was morally and individually superior to the killing and raping machine that the Roman Empire was!

Why do you think the Iceni and other tribes rose up against them!

The Romans were the masters of enslavement and ruined celtic civilisation! They poached from the Greeks and copied from other places / technology.

They poisoned the name of the Celts and re-wrote history to dumb down the local Britons. At the same time you'd get the human sacrifice going on in the Colloseums.

Indeed some might say the first NWO was the Roman Empire!

Law of the jungle everytime for me!

But the law of the jungle hardly means anarchy. It means society will become more responsible and take less liberties. Communities will become smaller and less dependent on a central (read controlling) entity.

We are not animals but humans. Some of which act like beasts and need to be sorted out / defended against.

The needs of the many sheep do not outweigh those of the enlightened / prepared few.

The argument will set the socialists vs the libertarians against each other but that's the way it goes.

Once people become more self-sufficient and able to handle their lives without outside meddling

If you want power taken away from you and delivered into some faceless and alien entity then choose the NWO / Big State interference.
Another factor is personal choice and where you live.

Big cities = Big meddling
Towns = Some meddling
Villages and wilderness = No meddling.

NWO = MASSIVE MEDDLING AND CONTROL!

Hence, get the 'law of the jungle' into play and you won't have the meddling and manipulating going on.

[joy division]

Britain was a mess pre romans.

Violence, pilgrimage and murder.

[smoke n mirrors]

Except the fitest in NWO terms are the physically weak, morally corrupt, easily programmed sole less ones among us or MP's, Bankers etc. It would be interesting to see how well these same people would fair, when subjected to a natural environment, where true law of the jungle principals applied.

I wouldn't knock it, as it has served the natural world very well since time began. We have broken the fundamental laws of nature, and in our ignorance we look for ever more ways to continue this path. Genetic manipulation will no doubt be the single most damming legacy of human existence.

The only reason to fear the law of the jungle, is if you doubt your ability to survive when all things are equal.

My two pennies spent.

[joy division]

The Law of the jungle is an Evil law in my eyes.

Eat or be eaten.

We do not want that as much as we dont want a Dictatorship style world government.

Its a fine balancing act and that is what the earth and humans need to find with the rest of nature.

[vladmir]

Hmm, let me see.....which jungle would i prefer?
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/27/300smh_brazil.jpg

OR

http://www.berlinwallpaper.com/Murals/EGMurals/Mural%20Images/JungleDreams.jpg

Boy, thats a tough one.

[steevo]

The "law of the jungle" doesnt really apply to human beings as it does to other animals. Humans beings have the innate ability to empathise, sympathise, realise.

"Law of the Jungle and "NWO" are NOT the only 2 options.

[joy division]

Hmm, let me see.....which jungle would i prefer?
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/27/300smh_brazil.jpg

OR

http://www.berlinwallpaper.com/Murals/EGMurals/Mural%20Images/JungleDreams.jpg

Boy, thats a tough one.


Maybe,

But is it such a bad thing to build strong concrete homes, we should just leave more forest and green areas to flourish.

[smoke n mirrors]

The Law of the jungle is an Evil law in my eyes.


Evil? Harsh maybe but evil?

[joy division]

Evil? Harsh maybe but evil?


Yes, it is a negative/evil way.

Murder is the law.

[zero1]

Laws protect the weak, and the strong from the stronger.

As someone already said, the present setup allows physically weak and morally corrupt men to rule on the backs of others; bankers, politicians, even police, who are only licensed bullies. This is unacceptable.

All things being equal, the beautiful, talented, skilled, strong, determined and genuinely powerful would naturally rule - Law of the jungle.

Law of the NWO - weakest, most inept, superficially clever and morally bankrupt rule by "virtue" of their ability to say "yes" to every fear and unrighteouness cultivated for them by delusional Masters who think they are highly evolved, or God's gift to reality.

I know which I'd prefer.

[rossus]

"Law of the Jungle and "NWO" are NOT the only 2 options.
Yes but joy division does have a point.
Look at the many problems with "rebel" gangs in africa as an example.
Rape, torture and murder is abundant.

A small village might arm itself to the teeth, and so be independent of a central ruling force...
But when a small legion of "rebel"-gangs such as in africa, twice the size of the village army...
they can do whatever they want with it.

A society which helps it's inhabitants to learn to live in love and in righteousness still continues to need a proper justice system and a proper military system.
Maybe justice and military systems will always be needed to protect the good people from evil people.



I guess what humanity needs is not an evil nwo, but a righteous nwo!
http://www.berlinwallpaper.com/Murals/EGMurals/Mural%20Images/JungleDreams.jpg

Boy, thats a tough one.
I don't think it's as simple as this.
The jungle is not paradise. There are problems there too, albeit different problems. Tribes have been at war with eachother in the jungle. There have been many civilizations in the jungle where the so called "strong" abused the so called "weak".
The only reason to fear the law of the jungle, is if you doubt your ability to survive when all things are equal.things are not equal in the jungle.

certain animals don't stand a chance against a stronger race of animals.
and weak animal don't stand a chance against a stronger animal of the same species.
dominance and abuse are abundant in the animal kingdom,
but because their mind is less developed the dominance and abuse is less extreme than what humans are capable of.
All things being equal, the beautiful, talented, skilled, strong, determined and genuinely powerful would naturally rule - Law of the jungle.
it's not because a certain species is more "strong", "beautiful", "powerful" and "developed" physically or externally,
that he is so internally.

"the law of the jungle" isn't perfect,
and not all characteristics in which humans and it's societies have changed from the original animal nature
are what i would consider negative changes/evolutions.

[steevo]

Yes but joy division does have a point.
Look at the many problems with "rebel" gangs in africa as an example.
Rape, torture and murder is abundant.

A small village might arm itself to the teeth, and so be independent of a central ruling force...
But when a small legion of "rebel"-gangs such as in africa, twice the size of the village army...
they can do whatever they want with it.



That is a perfect example of NWO manipulation. So thanks for highlighting that point.

[dhama_initiative]

Vladmor posted picutres of 2 lethal envorinments, many posters here would not last a minute in either of the two.

[joy division]

Yes but joy division does have a point.
Look at the many problems with "rebel" gangs in africa as an example.
Rape, torture and murder is abundant.

A small village might arm itself to the teeth, and so be independent of a central ruling force...
But when a small legion of "rebel"-gangs such as in africa, twice the size of the village army...
they can do whatever they want with it.

A society which helps it's inhabitants to learn to live in love and in righteousness still continues to need a proper justice system and a proper military system.
Maybe justice and military systems will always be needed to protect the good people from evil people.



I guess what humanity needs is not an evil nwo, but a righteous nwo!

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Thank you rossus.

That is why at the start i said without de-population and surveillance. I should have added control/enslavement.


Without any law and order at all you would have chaos and murder.

Until human beings reach the level of intelligence/conciousness when they dont feel the need to have all and kill for it then maybe that day we wont need "law".

Greed is one the main faults of human kind.

I myself am not materialist and neither greedy.

All i want is all i need to be.

[rossus]

That is a perfect example of NWO manipulation. So thanks for highlighting that point.
Do you mean that these african gangs are created by "Illuminati" in a problem-reaction-solution attempt to
convince people to accept their NWO? It is likely that many are, but i suspect not all.

And even if they would all be created by their NWO, then there still needs to be a solution for people
to be protected/protect themselves against their NWO. An anti-nwo NWO for example ;)

The current "illuminati" or "nwo" as we know them theoretically,
are nothing more than a big gang of evil people working together anyway.

I would not be surprised if the "philosophy" many illuminati people have is a "law of the jungle" philosophy to begin with.
Maybe they figure if they don't become the dominant evil principle on earth, that other people will.

[joy division]

That is a perfect example of NWO manipulation. So thanks for highlighting that point.


No, No, No.

We can have a global government, that is not the problem here. The problem is the people in charge.

That is what we need to be wary of.

If Ghandi was The man overseeing things think how good this world could be,

Hitler in charge, then its time to worry.

Do you understand?

[steevo]

Thank you rossus.

That is why at the start i said without de-population and surveillance. I should have added control/enslavement.


Without any law and order at all you would have chaos and murder.

Until human beings reach the level of intelligence/conciousness when they dont feel the need to have all and kill for it then maybe that day we wont need "law".

Greed is one the main faults of human kind.

I myself am not materialist and neither greedy.

All i want is all i need to be.

Without realising it we have been manipulated from birth into living a life where greed is a totally normal way of living our lives. And it's actually normal and even prefered that we aspire to this type of mindset "I wanna be a millionaire" (greed). Why do we all wanna be millionaires ? The concept of money is the tool that enables that type of mindset to flourish. Without money, how would we be able to collect too much of anything, without those around you becoming very aware that something is going wrong ?
I havent explained that very well.
If you buy more things than you actually NEED then THAT is greed. Greed can be born of fear too.

[zero1]

Vladmor posted picutres of 2 lethal envorinments, many posters here would not last a minute in either of the two.

No; most people here live in an urban environment, a large town or city.

If you can survive in one of those, you will (can) learn to adapt to any environ.

Don't underestimate yourself, if it's yourself you're really talking about...;)

[steevo]

No, No, No.

We can have a global government, that is not the problem here. The problem is the people in charge.

That is what we need to be wary of.

If Ghandi was The man overseeing things think how good this world could be,

Hitler in charge, then its time to worry.

Do you understand?

I understand that you would like a global government. NWO.

I would NOT want Gandhi in charge of a global government. A global government is wrong. End of story. I dont want your rules imposed on me no matter WHO is in charge.

[smoke n mirrors]

Yes but joy division does have a point.
Look at the many problems with "rebel" gangs in africa as an example.
Rape, torture and murder is abundant.

Humm thats because the order has been broken...who funds the rebels? and why? Because there are too many good people that pose a threat?

A small village might arm itself to the teeth, and so be independent of a central ruling force...
But when a small legion of "rebel"-gangs such as in africa, twice the size of the village army...
they can do whatever they want with it.

Humm there would be a degree of predation the small villages would adapt over time and redress the balance. If the order had not been distorted would these events be happening to day?

A society which helps it's inhabitants to learn to live in love and in righteousness still continues to need a proper justice system and a proper military system.
Maybe justice and military systems will always be needed to protect the good people from evil people.

Ye well if thats your idea of love and a way to maintain it count me out.



I guess what humanity needs is not an evil nwo, but a righteous nwo!

Any form of nwo will ultimately end in tears as it will always lead to corruption.

I don't think it's as simple as this.
The jungle is not paradise. There are problems there too, albeit different problems. Tribes have been at war with eachother in the jungle. There have been many civilizations in the jungle where the so called "strong" abused the so called "weak".
things are not equal in the jungle.

No one said it was pretty or perfection its nature...shit happens.

certain animals don't stand a chance against a stronger race of animals.
And yet the survive! Because they adapt or have a higher breeding rate leading to a higher rate of evolution. One day the weaker may redress the balance.

and weak animal don't stand a chance against a stronger animal of the same species.
dominance and abuse are abundant in the animal kingdom,
but because their mind is less developed the dominance and abuse is less extreme than what humans are capable of.

Dominance I would grant you but abuse? Humans are animals we just have the ability to be ignorant, arrogant and self important.

it's not because a certain species is more "strong", "beautiful", "powerful" and "developed" physically or externally,
that he is so internally.

"the law of the jungle" ain't perfect,
and not all characteristics in which humans and it's societies have changed from the original animal nature
are what i would consider a bad evolution.

Are we evolving as people or society? Is new technology evolution? Are new means of taxation evolution? Our thumb is about all thats evolving so that we can communicate with a mobile phone wonder what the researchers came up with when the studied vocal cords.

[beldazar]

the statement by....cant remember, Bush Senior? who said "the rule of law instead of the law of the jungle" was a massive insult to our native peoples IMO! :mad:

I would rather be a chimp and pick fleas out of my coat than become a robot! :(

I agree with Steevo, (yet again....:o) I dont want to be ruled by anyone, I dont need my mum any more thankyou!

Oh and you can stuff your concrete crap, I wanna live in a burrow like a hobbit thanks, you keep the beauty of the land still

[joy division]

Are we evolving as people or society? Is new technology evolution? Are new means of taxation evolution? Our thumb is about all thats evolving so that we can communicate with a mobile phone wonder what the researchers came up with when the studied vocal cords.


What society do you belong to?

As far as i am aware i never joint any society.


Watch this

http://www.tpuc.org/node/543

[joy division]

the statement by....cant remember, Bush Senior? who said "the rule of law instead of the law of the jungle" was a massive insult to our native peoples IMO! :mad:

I would rather be a chimp and pick fleas out of my coat than become a robot! :(

I agree with Steevo, (yet again....:o) I dont want to be ruled by anyone, I dont need my mum any more thankyou!

Oh and you can stuff your concrete crap, I wanna live in a burrow like a hobbit thanks, you keep the beauty of the land still


It is not about being ruled, as rossus said earlier there needs to be protection from bastards that go round killing and hurting people.

The government is there to serve the people. that swhat we need . not ruled.

ffs.

[steevo]

An anti-nwo NWO for example ;)



An anti-nwo NWO, is sort of like a Problem Reaction Solution situation. Fear based.

[beldazar]

If these so-called 'bastards' werent so manipulated by the system, we wouldnt need protecting from them ffs

I dont wanna be served either! :eek:

[smoke n mirrors]

What society do you belong to?

As far as i am aware i never joint any society.


Watch this

http://www.tpuc.org/node/543

It was a question and not a statement! As you asked...for the moment I am surviving in the society that is trying to impose its self on me, and those that I care about. My instincts tell me to fight and protect them from it, which is what I intend to do!

[romas]

Yes but joy division does have a point.
Look at the many problems with "rebel" gangs in africa as an example.
Rape, torture and murder is abundant.

A small village might arm itself to the teeth, and so be independent of a central ruling force...
But when a small legion of "rebel"-gangs such as in africa, twice the size of the village army...
they can do whatever they want with it.

A society which helps it's inhabitants to learn to live in love and in righteousness still continues to need a proper justice system and a proper military system.
Maybe justice and military systems will always be needed to protect the good people from evil people.



I guess what humanity needs is not an evil nwo, but a righteous nwo!

I don't think it's as simple as this.
The jungle is not paradise. There are problems there too, albeit different problems. Tribes have been at war with eachother in the jungle. There have been many civilizations in the jungle where the so called "strong" abused the so called "weak".
things are not equal in the jungle.

certain animals don't stand a chance against a stronger race of animals.
and weak animal don't stand a chance against a stronger animal of the same species.
dominance and abuse are abundant in the animal kingdom,
but because their mind is less developed the dominance and abuse is less extreme than what humans are capable of.

it's not because a certain species is more "strong", "beautiful", "powerful" and "developed" physically or externally,
that he is so internally.

"the law of the jungle" isn't perfect,
and not all characteristics in which humans and it's societies have changed from the original animal nature
are what i would consider negative changes/evolutions.




I concur

People propagating law of the jungle are to naive, most wouldn't survive, those who would would see most of their own children die, simply because they are not strong/clever enough or choose not to kill/pillage.

Law of the jungle gave birth to empires that killed and robbed the most, they became the strongest, stop kidding yourself with naive bullshit of freedom etc, we are all interdependent and thus not free. Abundance gave birth to civilization and in wild nature there is always lack due to competition/lack of cooperation.

Nations that stop their idiotic differences and stop competing, but instead start cooperating will dominate the world. What we have now is small fraction of elite who realized this, thus they are united in their cause, while "sheeple" are still fractioned with their random dellusions.

[theciape]

LAW OF THE JUNGLE


The alternative only serves to support those who would naturally fall off and die


And why oh why would anyone want to do that????