luciferhorus
24-04-2009, 11:12 PM
The thread 'On Capitalist Jesus. The Evil of Christianity' appears to be descending into issues of human sexuality, so I would like to make a new thread on this since the issues of the anti-Capitalist Jesus and economic revolution / liberation are a separate issue to human sexuality and sexual revolution / liberation.
On the Virgin Mary, Zechariah, Elizabeth and Gay/Bi Polyamorous Jesus.
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Firstly who were these people?
Zechariah was a Sadducee priest. The Sadducees were the official 'Solomonic Temple cultists, ' much like my father's cultists (the Freemasons) today who have a habit of building Solomonic Temples all over the world for the purposes of strange rites/rituals in the name of their corrupt Capitalist god.
The Illegitimate Birth and God having sex with Mary.
According to the legend Zechariah and his wife Elizabeth allegedly could not bear children. Thus Elizabeth's young relative Mary came to live with them.
This was quite common in those days; if you were rich and powerful (the Sadducees were very wealthy) and your wife could not give you a son. During the period where Zechariah and Mary were living together, Mary gave birth to a child. Zechariah is thus the foremost suspect.
Secondly 'virgin births' are common myths attributed to holy people in an age of mass illiteracy where the masses would believe almost any old myth.
Thirdly 'virgin births' do have a scientific component. Often pre-pubescent girls would be married off and since they would be having sex prior to their first menstruation, the girl's first experience of puberty would thus not be menstruation but pregnancy. What is now considered paedophilia is commonly reported in the ancient world.
Did God have sex with Mary?
With regards to Mary and Joseph having other children, this is clearly stated in the New Testament; Jesus allegedly had four named brothers and several unnamed sisters, which begs the question of ‘Did God have sex with Mary on numerous occasions, or just once?’ Or are they more likely to have been Joseph’s children?
With regards to the belief that God had sex Mary, this is obviously pre-scientific superstitious nonsense. Ask God to have sex with you and I predict that She will respond with total silence. Have ‘you’ ever had sex with God? How does She get an erection? If you want to have sex with a divine (godlike) being, you will have to have sex with one of your male or female lovers.
Insane Jesus.
With regards to Mary (his mother) being a 'saint,' note that it does state in the New Testament that his family considered Jesus to be 'beside himself (i.e., insane), and that this is allegedly the judgement of the 'Mother of God'.
Rebel
Jesus was obviously in rebellion against his father’s Capitalist cult religionists (:i.e., the Sadducees, who eventually placed a reward on him for his capture and execution). He obviously despised his father’s cultists and described them as ‘hypocrites’ and in his public debates with them, he berated them and argued against all that they stood for.
Rebellion against one’s father is an executable offence under Moses 613 laws, but that did not seem to bother Jesus any more that it bothers me, since it is clear that the Sadducees, like the Masonic cultists today are simply running a ‘God business,’ and are overtly corrupt. Rebelling against evil, is after all what defines goodness and ultimately the price for rebellion against the establishment is often ‘martyrdom.’
Gay / bisexual Jesus
The following is complied from various Internet sources
In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 One might argue that Jesus loved all of his followers in a non-sexual way. Thus to identify Jesus' love for John in a special way might indicate a sexual relationship. The disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.
During the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, the author(s) of the Gospel of John describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20. Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand
"In the Book of John a word is used eight times that means 'is in love with' with the implication of sexual intimacy. Five times it is used with reference to Jesus' relationship with John. Once it is used to define Jesus' relationship with Lazarus. And it is also used to describe his relationship with Mary and with her sister Martha
Mark 14:51-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus' followers was scantily dressed. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body; the size and location of the cloth is not defined. The New International Version says that he was "wearing nothing but a linen garment." When the police tried to seize him, they were able to grab only his cloth; the man ran away naked. Reverend Peter Murphy wrote: "We don't know from the sources what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and young men."
Peter Tatchell of OutRage!.
Tatchell noted that one version of St. Mark's gospel --which is still the subject of academic dispute-- alludes to Jesus having a homosexual relationship with a youth he raised from the dead.
According to the U.S. Biblical scholar, Morton Smith, of Columbia University, a fragment of manuscript he found at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem in 1958, showed that the full text of St. Mark chapter 10 (between verses 34 and 35 in the standard version of the Bible) contains a passage which includes the following text. --
"And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God".
A letter which claims to have been written by Clement of Alexandria (circa 150-213 CE), confirms that there were three versions of the Gospel of Mark which were being circulated among different Christian groups in the vicinity of what is now Alexandria in Egypt
Tatchell says there is “certainly no evidence for the Church's presumption that he was heterosexual. Nothing in the Bible points to him having desires or relationships with women. The possibility of a gay Christ cannot be ruled out.” "Since there is no proof of the heterosexuality of Jesus, the theological basis of Church homophobia is all the more shaky and indefensible.
Lucifer concludes. On Effeminate Jesus
Men who profess love for other men, and who have close physical and emotional relationships with other men, who lie down with and embrace other men, who refer to other men as ‘beloved,’ who incessantly speak of ‘Love’ and who are total rebellion against homophobic religious authorities generally fit the stereotype of ‘queer.’
Further bear in mind that Judaic culture, particularly among the upper economic classes in the first century was under the heavy influence of Greek and Roman culture where exclusive homosexuality was uncommon, but bi-sexuality was probably more common than heterosexuality.
In conclusion there is absolutely no historical basis for Christian homophobia and it would appear that the Christians in general (with the exception of the Gay/Bi Christians) are more of the ilk of those who would ‘stone the prophets in the name of the prophets.’ Shame.
Love all your brothers as you love yourself is a statement of polyamory (nb., polyamory is not polygamy since polygamy involves legalised prostitution ; i.e., marriage).
Love and Light
Lucifer.
http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/2004_mar_jesus.jpg
Christianity is a house built on sand. It shall in the Aeon to come, inevitably be swept away.
Love and Light
Lux.
War, revolution, anything good but strong.
http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/fds.gif
On the Virgin Mary, Zechariah, Elizabeth and Gay/Bi Polyamorous Jesus.
http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/66666666.gif
Lucifer
http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif
For polyamory. For world sexual revolution. For Anarchist Communism.
_________________________________
Firstly who were these people?
Zechariah was a Sadducee priest. The Sadducees were the official 'Solomonic Temple cultists, ' much like my father's cultists (the Freemasons) today who have a habit of building Solomonic Temples all over the world for the purposes of strange rites/rituals in the name of their corrupt Capitalist god.
The Illegitimate Birth and God having sex with Mary.
According to the legend Zechariah and his wife Elizabeth allegedly could not bear children. Thus Elizabeth's young relative Mary came to live with them.
This was quite common in those days; if you were rich and powerful (the Sadducees were very wealthy) and your wife could not give you a son. During the period where Zechariah and Mary were living together, Mary gave birth to a child. Zechariah is thus the foremost suspect.
Secondly 'virgin births' are common myths attributed to holy people in an age of mass illiteracy where the masses would believe almost any old myth.
Thirdly 'virgin births' do have a scientific component. Often pre-pubescent girls would be married off and since they would be having sex prior to their first menstruation, the girl's first experience of puberty would thus not be menstruation but pregnancy. What is now considered paedophilia is commonly reported in the ancient world.
Did God have sex with Mary?
With regards to Mary and Joseph having other children, this is clearly stated in the New Testament; Jesus allegedly had four named brothers and several unnamed sisters, which begs the question of ‘Did God have sex with Mary on numerous occasions, or just once?’ Or are they more likely to have been Joseph’s children?
With regards to the belief that God had sex Mary, this is obviously pre-scientific superstitious nonsense. Ask God to have sex with you and I predict that She will respond with total silence. Have ‘you’ ever had sex with God? How does She get an erection? If you want to have sex with a divine (godlike) being, you will have to have sex with one of your male or female lovers.
Insane Jesus.
With regards to Mary (his mother) being a 'saint,' note that it does state in the New Testament that his family considered Jesus to be 'beside himself (i.e., insane), and that this is allegedly the judgement of the 'Mother of God'.
Rebel
Jesus was obviously in rebellion against his father’s Capitalist cult religionists (:i.e., the Sadducees, who eventually placed a reward on him for his capture and execution). He obviously despised his father’s cultists and described them as ‘hypocrites’ and in his public debates with them, he berated them and argued against all that they stood for.
Rebellion against one’s father is an executable offence under Moses 613 laws, but that did not seem to bother Jesus any more that it bothers me, since it is clear that the Sadducees, like the Masonic cultists today are simply running a ‘God business,’ and are overtly corrupt. Rebelling against evil, is after all what defines goodness and ultimately the price for rebellion against the establishment is often ‘martyrdom.’
Gay / bisexual Jesus
The following is complied from various Internet sources
In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 One might argue that Jesus loved all of his followers in a non-sexual way. Thus to identify Jesus' love for John in a special way might indicate a sexual relationship. The disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.
During the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, the author(s) of the Gospel of John describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20. Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand
"In the Book of John a word is used eight times that means 'is in love with' with the implication of sexual intimacy. Five times it is used with reference to Jesus' relationship with John. Once it is used to define Jesus' relationship with Lazarus. And it is also used to describe his relationship with Mary and with her sister Martha
Mark 14:51-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus' followers was scantily dressed. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body; the size and location of the cloth is not defined. The New International Version says that he was "wearing nothing but a linen garment." When the police tried to seize him, they were able to grab only his cloth; the man ran away naked. Reverend Peter Murphy wrote: "We don't know from the sources what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and young men."
Peter Tatchell of OutRage!.
Tatchell noted that one version of St. Mark's gospel --which is still the subject of academic dispute-- alludes to Jesus having a homosexual relationship with a youth he raised from the dead.
According to the U.S. Biblical scholar, Morton Smith, of Columbia University, a fragment of manuscript he found at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem in 1958, showed that the full text of St. Mark chapter 10 (between verses 34 and 35 in the standard version of the Bible) contains a passage which includes the following text. --
"And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God".
A letter which claims to have been written by Clement of Alexandria (circa 150-213 CE), confirms that there were three versions of the Gospel of Mark which were being circulated among different Christian groups in the vicinity of what is now Alexandria in Egypt
Tatchell says there is “certainly no evidence for the Church's presumption that he was heterosexual. Nothing in the Bible points to him having desires or relationships with women. The possibility of a gay Christ cannot be ruled out.” "Since there is no proof of the heterosexuality of Jesus, the theological basis of Church homophobia is all the more shaky and indefensible.
Lucifer concludes. On Effeminate Jesus
Men who profess love for other men, and who have close physical and emotional relationships with other men, who lie down with and embrace other men, who refer to other men as ‘beloved,’ who incessantly speak of ‘Love’ and who are total rebellion against homophobic religious authorities generally fit the stereotype of ‘queer.’
Further bear in mind that Judaic culture, particularly among the upper economic classes in the first century was under the heavy influence of Greek and Roman culture where exclusive homosexuality was uncommon, but bi-sexuality was probably more common than heterosexuality.
In conclusion there is absolutely no historical basis for Christian homophobia and it would appear that the Christians in general (with the exception of the Gay/Bi Christians) are more of the ilk of those who would ‘stone the prophets in the name of the prophets.’ Shame.
Love all your brothers as you love yourself is a statement of polyamory (nb., polyamory is not polygamy since polygamy involves legalised prostitution ; i.e., marriage).
Love and Light
Lucifer.
http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/2004_mar_jesus.jpg
Christianity is a house built on sand. It shall in the Aeon to come, inevitably be swept away.
Love and Light
Lux.
War, revolution, anything good but strong.
http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/fds.gif