What is the point of it all?

[lostinstrangeworld]

I wrote some thoughts down early on this morning. The thing is, I could be feeling happy or sad...I know its a choice which is up to me....to all of us....according to our perspectives and how we look at things. I feel I've seen and heard enough to know that there is a unified consciousness field through which everything in the universe is organized. But its the nature of things that really gets me....duality.
I don't feel there is any real purpose as such....in being here.

Here's what I wrote:


Why does suffering.....why does evil exist?
What exists beyond this world; our physical dimension?
Everything in our world exists based on the laws of duality. If there was to be no opposition, isn't it true that creativity in itself could not be sustained?
If there was no gravity, we would have nothing to strive against.....nothing to motivate or solidify by.

Are there other dimensions....dimensions of evil, dimensions of love? And if there are, do they depend on each other for their very reason to exist....to create....to be a part of vibration at all?

Is it just a cycle that goes on and on forever until we grow tired of it all and retire back to the source?

If this is the case.....if creation/ duality is dependent on duality....then is there really anything at all we "need" to do?

Is it all just a dream?

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-sb6mfR9lQ

[planetsadhana]

i think its a game....we are seeking absolute fulfilment absolute love absolute possibility absolute understanding absolute creativity

to get there we have to play in the game of duality....with rules...everything we do has effect, there are adversarys along the way, and there are guiding lights

but to know you are in a game is the first and biggest step

[watson_k]

I wrote some thoughts down early on this morning. The thing is, I could be feeling happy or sad...I know its a choice which is up to me....to all of us....according to our perspectives and how we look at things. I feel I've seen and heard enough to know that there is a unified consciousness field through which everything in the universe is organized. But its the nature of things that really gets me....duality.
I don't feel there is any real purpose as such....in being here.

Here's what I wrote:


Why does suffering.....why does evil exist?
What exists beyond this world; our physical dimension?
Everything in our world exists based on the laws of duality. If there was to be no opposition, isn't it true that creativity in itself could not be sustained?
If there was no gravity, we would have nothing to strive against.....nothing to motivate or solidify by.

Are there other dimensions....dimensions of evil, dimensions of love? And if there are, do they depend on each other for their very reason to exist....to create....to be a part of vibration at all?

Is it just a cycle that goes on and on forever until we grow tired of it all and retire back to the source?

If this is the case.....if creation/ duality is dependent on duality....then is there really anything at all we "need" to do?

Is it all just a dream?

I really wish I could answer those questions for you, but I can't 'cos I don't know the answers. I doubt anyone really does. Isn't that the point though? To find our Why?! Science will be able to tell us How things happen but never the Why.
I don't feel there is any real purpose as such....in being here.
Your not alone in that, honestly.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Amazing new discoveries about the properties of water could revolutionize our world!

Filmmaker and mystic ecologist David Sereda discussed some of the amazing properties of water-- it may actually have memory and consciousness, he said. Human beings are mostly made up of water and he suggested that restructured water could have healing properties on their bodies.

Following up on the groundbreaking work of Masaru Emoto, Sereda exposed water to the sounds of the sun, and the water crystals changed to a beatific shape. A subject drank restructured water and their blood cells showed a healthy response, and prayer/intention directed at water can beneficially alter its structure, he detailed. Such water must be drank right away as the restructuring may be temporary, he added.

Could water itself be a kind of memory system, actually containing the Akashic Records?, Sereda pondered. He noted in addition to healing, structured water could potentially be useful in exploring nuclear fusion, reclaiming polluted areas, and developing "super sensors"-- instantaneous signals that can be sent out into the galaxy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW5KkTokPSQ&feature=related

(To go directly to the Youtube link, select quote and copy the link from the text).

[lostinstrangeworld]

part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlvjKaGEnas&feature=related

part3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoJNvjXDaXU&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0aLUJscQnM&feature=related

Omg....Pay particular attention to 5 minutes through this!! :eek:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/heart2.gif

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyI7FIdMq5Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKUAulOATI&feature=related

[lostinstrangeworld]

Interesting...the tonal vibration of "Om" projected into sound looks similar to the water crystal!

http://www.glassartists.org/Images/ThumbNails/000056000/110/Thm56211_cymaticohm1.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9LS8IJXm9c&feature=related

[watson_k]

Amazing new discoveries about the properties of water could revolutionize our world!

Filmmaker and mystic ecologist David Sereda discussed some of the amazing properties of water-- it may actually have memory and consciousness, he said. Human beings are mostly made up of water and he suggested that restructured water could have healing properties on their bodies.

Following up on the groundbreaking work of Masaru Emoto, Sereda exposed water to the sounds of the sun, and the water crystals changed to a beatific shape. A subject drank restructured water and their blood cells showed a healthy response, and prayer/intention directed at water can beneficially alter its structure, he detailed. Such water must be drank right away as the restructuring may be temporary, he added.


Do you know why the Japanese say 'Domo Arigato' before they drink? One dude (I can't find it) said it changed the crystals in the water as well.

Could simply saying thank you to the water before you drink it, be better for you? - err, when I put it like that it sounds really odd...lol

[bornagain]

I wrote some thoughts down early on this morning. The thing is, I could be feeling happy or sad...I know its a choice which is up to me....to all of us....according to our perspectives and how we look at things. I feel I've seen and heard enough to know that there is a unified consciousness field through which everything in the universe is organized. But its the nature of things that really gets me....duality.
I don't feel there is any real purpose as such....in being here.

Here's what I wrote:


Why does suffering.....why does evil exist?
What exists beyond this world; our physical dimension?
Everything in our world exists based on the laws of duality. If there was to be no opposition, isn't it true that creativity in itself could not be sustained?
If there was no gravity, we would have nothing to strive against.....nothing to motivate or solidify by.

Are there other dimensions....dimensions of evil, dimensions of love? And if there are, do they depend on each other for their very reason to exist....to create....to be a part of vibration at all?

Is it just a cycle that goes on and on forever until we grow tired of it all and retire back to the source?

If this is the case.....if creation/ duality is dependent on duality....then is there really anything at all we "need" to do?

Is it all just a dream?


You know I feel I know the answers to these questions as if I feel it, but I cannot seem to put it in words, I need to work harder on my spirituality.
~Born Again

[lostinstrangeworld]

Do you know why the Japanese say 'Domo Arigato' before they drink? One dude (I can't find it) said it changed the crystals in the water as well.

Could simply saying thank you to the water before you drink it, be better for you? - err, when I put it like that it sounds really odd...lol

Masaru Emoto, in his book "The true Power of Water", says that he says "thank you" after he urinates! :D

He also says that alcohol is ok in moderation and that it fuses spirit and water together:D

[lostinstrangeworld]

You know I feel I know the answers to these questions as if I feel it, but I cannot seem to put it in words, I need to work harder on my spirituality.
~Born Again

Om?

Apparently Nasa has discovered the sounds of the spheres.

The Sun apparently makes "Om". :eek:

And the sound of the Earth sounds like tropical birds singing!!!

[watson_k]

Om?

Apparently Nasa has discovered the sounds of the spheres.

The Sun apparently makes "Om". :eek:

And the sound of the Earth sounds like tropical birds singing!!!

This is what Hindus say while Meditating.

Edit: sorry this is obvious, not sure why I wrote it.

[lostinstrangeworld]

This is what Hindus say while Meditating.

Edit: sorry this is obvious, not sure why I wrote it.

I forgive you. :)

[anahata]

Why does suffering.....why does evil exist?
What exists beyond this world; our physical dimension?
Everything in our world exists based on the laws of duality. If there was to be no opposition, isn't it true that creativity in itself could not be sustained?
If there was no gravity, we would have nothing to strive against.....nothing to motivate or solidify by.

Are there other dimensions....dimensions of evil, dimensions of love? And if there are, do they depend on each other for their very reason to exist....to create....to be a part of vibration at all?

Is it just a cycle that goes on and on forever until we grow tired of it all and retire back to the source?

If this is the case.....if creation/ duality is dependent on duality....then is there really anything at all we "need" to do?

Is it all just a dream?

I don't understand why or how but I do believe this is 'a dream'. We talk about dreams like they are a fantasy happening which doesn't exist but you spend time existing in that dream so it's just as real as this, just because that experience ends doesn't mean it didn't happen. They could be parallel versions of ourselves, they might spend 'dream time' in our 'reality'.

Who says we don't return to the source every time we sleep anyway. Essentially aren't we shutting down our bodies and recharging like any other electrical goods. The energetic power source is for us, our sun which could be just a slice of a higher dimension. If you’ve seen that clip about flat liners and hypothetically how they would perceive a 3D shape passing through, it’s just seen as a single line. I don’t know how but maybe the stars are in some way having a similar relationship.

I'm not sure what this cycle is about, other than just being and recreating who and what we are which is a good enough excuse as any to… be. If we didn't have suffering then we'd miss out on free will, we'd limit ourselves and don't forget although some suffering is inexcusable, pain is to some extent relative. I can't stand the pain of having to watch a football game but some people live for it.

If we are going to experience a spiritual evolution, does it only happen to some people who are ready willing? Like a cross roads… splitting of realities, people who hear the call and respond go in one direction while others continue the reality they know and are very happy to continue with for several more lifetimes till they fancy an upgrade. In this way, 2012 might be nonsense to some but an enlightening shift to a few others. Just because I think I’d like to transform doesn’t mean everyone else does so why should they?

What plagues me is the need to get out of bed for 45 hours a week to take orders from people, when to be honest I’d quite like to tell them where to go. Not that I don’t appreciate having a job but as I exist, why manifest a world where necessities get in the way of having a good time? Maybe we’re just doing the hard work on this plane to make it easier for higher planes. If all is connected then multi universes should also be relative to one and other, subtly readjusting each others.

Some Hindu beliefs on cycles are quite interesting:

Yuga (Devanāgari: युग) in Hindu philosophy is the name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. According to Hindu cosmology, the world is created, destroyed and recreated every 4,320,000 years (Maha Yuga)

The cycles are said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning within a greater time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the universe. Like Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves stages or gradual changes which the earth and the consciousness of mankind goes through as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden Age of enlightenment to a Dark Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system's motion around a central sun.

[watson_k]

What plagues me is the need to get out of bed for 45 hours a week to take orders from people, when to be honest I’d quite like to tell them where to go. Not that I don’t appreciate having a job but as I exist, why manifest a world where necessities get in the way of having a good time? Maybe we’re just doing the hard work on this plane to make it easier for higher planes. If all is connected then multi universes should also be relative to one and other, subtly readjusting each others.

Wouldn't that be because of the Laws of Man? Since we're following Laws of Man and ignoring the Laws of Nature, what's to say next planes will be easier?

The higher you go in a system, the more specialized and harder your work becomes - couldn't evolving be the same?

Maybe this life is your Apprenticeship in to the harder/higher spiritual paths to come.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Why can't people earn money from doing what their soul sings to them? :(

That way we'd all be utilizing the best that is in each of us.


Why are we forced into molds that won't fit and into dead ends all because society says we have to chose a category to belong to....when the best that is inside us would be able to blossom if only the right doors were available to us?


Every living being deserves to be FREE.

[thedivinetruth]

Amazing new discoveries about the properties of water could revolutionize our world!

Filmmaker and mystic ecologist David Sereda discussed some of the amazing properties of water-- it may actually have memory and consciousness, he said. Human beings are mostly made up of water and he suggested that restructured water could have healing properties on their bodies.

Following up on the groundbreaking work of Masaru Emoto, Sereda exposed water to the sounds of the sun, and the water crystals changed to a beatific shape. A subject drank restructured water and their blood cells showed a healthy response, and prayer/intention directed at water can beneficially alter its structure, he detailed. Such water must be drank right away as the restructuring may be temporary, he added.

Could water itself be a kind of memory system, actually containing the Akashic Records?, Sereda pondered. He noted in addition to healing, structured water could potentially be useful in exploring nuclear fusion, reclaiming polluted areas, and developing "super sensors"-- instantaneous signals that can be sent out into the galaxy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW5KkTokPSQ&feature=related

(To go directly to the Youtube link, select quote and copy the link from the text).


Very intersting because isn't the next age deemed the Aquarius age? All the content of ancient civilization had beings with water pales. Didn't watch the video yet but I will shortly. Just found a coincedence or am i on to something?

[mane]

An interesting predicament in realizing absurdity is suicide-- as said by Albert Camus to be one of the greatest philosophical predicaments.

As always, consider the fractal, of I-- and everything.
If I create reality, than I ultimately chose to exist, am choosing to exist, and if I commit suicide, I would seemingly contradict my self. It is not that it is right or wrong, but that my life remains unexamined, so to speak. At any point in spacetime, all facets of tension are faced simultaneously whatever the dimension, and devoid of examination, such tensions are to be faced inevitably-- whether in this life or the next. Committing suicide is therefore setting inevitable tensions aside-- a paradox of unborn souls singing silent harmonics of infinite potential, and the human.

[lostinstrangeworld]

An interesting predicament in realizing absurdity is suicide-- as said by Albert Camus to be one of the greatest philosophical predicaments.

As always, consider the fractal, of I-- and everything.
If I create reality, than I ultimately chose to exist, am choosing to exist, and if I commit suicide, I would seemingly contradict my self. It is not that it is right or wrong, but that my life remains unexamined, so to speak. At any point in spacetime, all facets of tension are faced simultaneously whatever the dimension, and devoid of examination, such tensions are to be faced inevitably-- whether in this life or the next. Committing suicide is therefore setting inevitable tensions aside-- a paradox of unborn souls singing silent harmonics of infinite potential, and the human.

Very well said/ typed, Mane.

I will try to keep these words in my mind each day....I have realized them before, myself....only to have them fade away again. :o:confused:

This world just feels so treacle-like at times....so dense....so full of incarceration and duality.....But I guess if I believe I have the power within me to heal my reality and create things...then my purpose can be to help liberate our world.


I have reached the point, however....where I feel at odds, confused about the transience of things and with duality. Is there some strange law in our world that says "what goes up, must always come down"?

I'm almost afraid to allow myself to feel moments of joy and peace....because I don't know if allowing myself to feel it will lend to a future period where I will have to feel sadness again to keep the balance? :(:confused:

Another example....On the surface, I appear to have a lot of problems in my life, it appears quite messed up and on a surface level I am a failure.......

But underneath it all I have a very vibrant world.....a mind that always searches, has discovered many wondrous things.....and wants to find more......

Maybe the friction/ poverty in my surface life is the price I am paying to have peace/ riches in my inner life.....Must all things have to surrender to this duality?

I know I would have more strength inside me to change things in my outer life if I wasn't so world-weary and prone to melancholy.....but for now that's the way things are and I have to try to have compassion and understanding towards myself for this rather than tare myself to shreds with self hatred. I cannot help what I am....I can only learn to understand it better and keep persevering to move through it this way.


What cure is there for world-weary soul-sickness? :confused:


If a kindly guru could come down from the higher plans right now and explain to me and help me to fully understand and know for sure than there is a way to transcend the cycles of pleasure and pain......If he/ she could do this for me.....Then I would gladly do away with my depression and make something of more of my outer life. :o


:confused:

[lostinstrangeworld]

This world just feels so treacle-like at times....so dense....so full of incarceration and duality.....But I guess if I believe I have the power within me to heal my reality and create things...then my purpose can be to help liberate our world.


But how can I do this unless there truly is a way to transcend duality? :( :confused:

[orbandsceptre27]

But how can I do this unless there truly is a way to transcend duality?

"If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same" - Kipling.

Who is the "I"?

He also says that alcohol is ok in moderation and that it fuses spirit and water together:D

Sounds good to me... cept I don`t like mixing water with my spirits lol.

[lostinstrangeworld]

"If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same" - Kipling.

Who is the "I"?

Sure, I can sort of do that......

But what about purpose?

Without about purpose, if there is no purpose then what need is there to motivate me to bother striving for anything? :confused:

[ex_anser_ovo]

Maybe just try to become more mindful of things.
Then decide what to do as you go along that route.
If you are looking for a destination, you may never find one.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Maybe just try to become more mindful of things.
Then decide what to do as you go along that route.
If you are looking for a destination, you may never find one.

Interesting, thanks.

I like your avatar.

[orbandsceptre27]

But what about purpose?

Without about purpose, if there is no purpose then what need is there to motivate me to bother striving for anything?

Why do you need to strive for anything?

Need implies want - you can never have what you want. If there`s a pen on a table in front of you, you won`t pick it up if you want to. It`s only when you decide/choose to pick it up and follow through with action that the purpose carried out. What you decide to do, and followng through/taking action is your purpose. Whether you`re washing dishes, writing a poem or building a wall do it fully and when you`re finished your finished, let it go. You can always change your mind whenever you like. You don`t need anything or anyone to complete you.

People often ask what meaning is there to life. There is no meaning - the mind always labels and seeks answers. What is the meaning of life to a cat, a dog or a tree? Cats are the true zen masters of this world - always living in the moment. I`ve yet to see a depressed (suicidal) cat lol, unless it`s living with a depressed human. There is too much seeking attached to spirituality, there`s only to realize who you are.

[ex_anser_ovo]

Interesting, thanks.

I like your avatar.

Thank-you. I made it in Photoshop for fun.
It is just various internet pictures placed together.

A goose egg with a world tree carved within it.
A raven in the foreground cawing to the east.

It is what it is.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Why do you need to strive for anything?

Need implies want - you can never have what you want. If there`s a pen on a table in front of you, you won`t pick it up if you want to. It`s only when you decide/choose to pick it up and follow through with action that the purpose carried out. What you decide to do, and followng through/taking action is your purpose. Whether you`re washing dishes, writing a poem or building a wall do it fully and when you`re finished your finished, let it go. You can always change your mind whenever you like. You don`t need anything or anyone to complete you.

People often ask what meaning is there to life. There is no meaning - the mind always labels and seeks answers. What is the meaning of life to a cat, a dog or a tree? Cats are the true zen masters of this world - always living in the moment. I`ve yet to see a depressed (suicidal) cat lol, unless it`s living with a depressed human. There is too much seeking attached to spirituality, there`s only to realize who you are.

Jeez.....how to you manage to carry on each day with that outlook?

:confused:

Edited:
I agree with animals as far as being in the moment is concerned....but what when a cat catches the mouse and the mouse is bleeding and consumed by fear and pain.....what do we say to the mouse...."hey, its ok...just be in the moment"?

I don't think so!!!

[orbandsceptre27]

Jeez.....how to you manage to carry on each day with that outlook?

:) I don`t have an outlook (or an inlook).

Edited:
I agree with animals as far as being in the moment is concerned....but what when a cat catches the mouse and the mouse is bleeding and consumed by fear and pain.....what do we say to the mouse...."hey, its ok...just be in the moment"?


- What if the cat had nothing else to eat and would otherwise starve?

- How do you know the mouse would be "consumed by fear and pain?"

- Why do you resist what is for others?

I`m not out to trick you - just pointing out you`re value judgments.

[mane]

I am nothing for everything I am. As such, I exist stringlessly; stress is a gift, as is each moment-- being an opportunity for growth, for in the realization of empitness or void, tension is released and vantage quantum leaps into a new phase of frequency with higher order-- able to handle higher levels of stress.

Suffering is stressing over stress-- holding on to an imagined rope of one's insanity; energy is incoherent as such, faltering one's field of being. When harmony is achieved, balance within contrast is beautiful, and the oscillations of pain and joy are cherished; healing and flourishing begins as one lets go, flowing such a path-- stringlessless. One might consider the concept as being seated at the right hand of the father, happening an existence so beautiful that pure joy falls short of the contrast itself.

Be the observer.

Flowing is living in the moment, where here and there is irrelevant, as one acts in accord to their heart beat, realizing infinite potential as the fulcrum of action-- nothing as everything, and everything as nothing being the canvas of perception. Life is art.

Life is--

Create reality courageously.

[lostinstrangeworld]

- How do you know the mouse would be "consumed by fear and pain?"



Intuition and empathy. People who have never experienced that with animals probably find it easier to have a simpler outlook on life because they don't see the sheer extent of suffering and exploitation in our world.

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4CPMYDG2RE

[lostinstrangeworld]

I am nothing for everything I am. As such, I exist stringlessly; stress is a gift, as is each moment-- being an opportunity for growth, for in the realization of empitness or void, tension is released and vantage quantum leaps into a new phase of frequency with higher order-- able to handle higher levels of stress.

Suffering is stressing over stress-- holding on to an imagined rope of one's insanity; energy is incoherent as such, faltering one's field of being. When harmony is achieved, balance within contrast is beautiful, and the oscillations of pain and joy are cherished; healing and flourishing begins as one lets go, flowing such a path-- stringlessless. One might consider the concept as being seated at the right hand of the father, happening an existence so beautiful that pure joy falls short of the contrast itself.

Be the observer.

Flowing is living in the moment, where here and there is irrelevant, as one acts in accord to their heart beat, realizing infinite potential as the fulcrum of action-- nothing as everything, and everything as nothing being the canvas of perception. Life is art.

Life is--

Create reality courageously.

Yes, I can see truth in your post.

However, it doesn't explain everything.

For example, how can such philosophies explain or help animal suffering, such as the monkey who has had pig organs sewn to it in a laboratory? Or this:

http://www.infonature.org/english/_graphics/images/worldnews_img/nature/monkey03.jpg

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Philosophy/Animal%20Testing/Vivisection/baby_monkey_injection.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp172/thisforever/monkey-stereotaxic-full-1-1-1.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/crazykd316/Pics%20For%20Blog/Tear_II_by_usedbybertxpng.jpg

[orbandsceptre27]

Intuition and empathy. People who have never experienced that with animals probably find it easier to have a simpler outlook on life because they don't see the sheer extent of suffering and exploitation in our world.

You`ll have a much stronger intuition and greater empathy for living creatures when you cease labelling/identifying with the mind, Namaste.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Hmm...I take it that you consider intuition and empathy as parts of the mind?

You`ll have a much stronger intuition and greater empathy for living creatures when you cease labelling/identifying with the mind, Namaste.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-1VXi5byOAQ/SZkWoOq2WzI/AAAAAAAACeM/EOhOWKyKQos/s400/funny-pictures-spoiled-cat-is-unimpressed-by-your-scenery.jpg

[mane]

Yes, I can see truth in your post.

However, it doesn't explain everything.

For example, how can such philosophies explain or help animal suffering, such as the monkey who has had pig organs sewn to it in a laboratory? Or this:

http://www.infonature.org/english/_graphics/images/worldnews_img/nature/monkey03.jpg

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Philosophy/Animal%20Testing/Vivisection/baby_monkey_injection.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp172/thisforever/monkey-stereotaxic-full-1-1-1.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/crazykd316/Pics%20For%20Blog/Tear_II_by_usedbybertxpng.jpg


Such is a testament of how immense the task of existing in accord to one's soul is.

http://www.1worldglobalgifts.com/images/Awards/AtlasAwardLG.gif

[lostinstrangeworld]

Such is a testament of how immense the task of existing in accord to one's soul is.

http://www.1worldglobalgifts.com/images/Awards/AtlasAwardLG.gif

Agreed. :)

[ex_anser_ovo]

There a lot of sad occurrences in existence. Things that make us feel like we are watching a child angrily torturing itself while delighting in its own suffering.

But over time diffusion and entanglement, brings things back together again, in a way that ignores how vastly different each thing has become. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBtFTF2ii7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY

It cannot be stopped. :)

[orbandsceptre27]

Hmm...I take it that you consider intuition and empathy as parts of the mind?

No, I don`t.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-1VXi5byOAQ/SZkWoOq2WzI/AAAAAAAACeM/EOhOWKyKQos/s400/funny-pictures-spoiled-cat-is-unimpressed-by-your-scenery.jpg

Hey Lostinstrangeworld, this is what I`ve been pointing towards. I don`t post here to impress anyone or to make people feel better (or worse) about themselves. I`m not a friend or an enemy - I just say what I say to get beyond mind (and all the stuff that comes with that).

I was drawn to your thread initially as you raised a point about transcending duality. I was recently on another forum where similar points were raised.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Hey Lostinstrangeworld, this is what I`ve been pointing towards. I don`t post here to impress anyone or to make people feel better (or worse) about themselves. I`m not a friend or an enemy - I just say what I say to get beyond mind (and all the stuff that comes with that).

I was drawn to your thread initially as you raised a point about transcending duality. I was recently on another forum where similar points were raised.

Cool. :cool: That shows you aren't identifying with how others see you.

I was just adding some dry humor to the melancholy of this subject. :D

[lostinstrangeworld]

Also, I wonder if some of these new-age teachings that try to help people by becoming unattached, etc.....stem from a more sinister conspiracy to control people by making them more passive in the same way fluoride does? :eek:

[lostinstrangeworld]

There a lot of sad occurrences in existence. Things that make us feel like we are watching a child angrily torturing itself while delighting in its own suffering.

But over time diffusion and entanglement, brings things back together again, in a way that ignores how vastly different each thing has become. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBtFTF2ii7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY

It cannot be stopped. :)

Cool but what about the ongoing process of duality?

Or perhaps suffering is necessary but not to points of extreme?

Did something go wrong somewhere along the line.....in the story of creation?

Perhaps it has something to do with Saturn/ Satan....with its eerie old noises- the sounds recorded from Nasa, in that video I posted! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4CPMYDG2RE

[mane]

Also, I wonder if some of these new-age teachings that try to help people by becoming unattached, etc.....stem from a more sinister conspiracy to control people by making them more passive in the same way fluoride does? :eek:

I'm not sure about that...it's something to consider, of course, but the truth of such arises from within, not any sort of teaching. And in becoming unattatched, one takes a step closer to the asymptotic archmedian point of vantage-- the universal perspective from which philosophers implode mental constructs for the rebirth of sound thought.

Also, I see a leap in logic, because becoming unattached positions one's vantage on the plane of singularity and emptiness, where compassion becomes primary and mundane influences are irrelevant. Stress hinders the actions of many who cannot let go, while becoming stringless is the freedom to become nothing for everything a person is. Think of the movements that Ghandi and MLK propagated, being spiritual leaders.

The state they would want us to be in, in regards to a game of chess, is to make us think everything is a conspiracy, because then, any moves they make have a predictable outcome on our side.

And for the matter, I think there is something to your thought; that being, new age movements that use principles such as the law of attraction to gain mundane wealth-- evil thrives where it is allowed to, on any plane of existence, whether enlightened or ignorant.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Isn't compassion a form of attachment?

:confused:

Surely not caring about anything is ultimate non-attachment.

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXX6KMOt4q4

[mane]

Isn't compassion a form of attachment?

:confused:

Surely not caring about anything is ultimate non-attachment.

The relation is causal, in that compassion results from realizing the nature of one's existence-- being interconnected into infinity, and yet empty-- a paradox of being and non-being, stringlessness and attachment, knowing everything without knowing anything. A dynamic of logic arises within paradox, a great tension, one of which quantum leaps perception; Einstein once stated that no problem is solved on the level that it is created.

Words merely allude to the truth, and as such, it is through a craft of communication that one may climb.

The puppet makes valid points, but simultaneously a paradox exists of the observer, resting in silence, yet intimately attached to a world of being. Such polarity is an engine of quantum leaping vantage.

[lostinstrangeworld]

The relation is causal, in that compassion results from realizing the nature of one's existence-- being interconnected into infinity, and yet empty-- a paradox of being and non-being, stringlessness and attachment, knowing everything without knowing anything. A dynamic of logic arises within paradox, a great tension, one of which quantum leaps perception; Einstein once stated that no problem is solved on the level that it is created.

Words merely allude to the truth, and as such, it is through a craft of communication that one may climb.

The puppet makes valid points, but simultaneously a paradox exists of the observer, resting in silence, yet intimately attached to a world of being. Such polarity is an engine of quantum leaping vantage.

You can't have non-attachment without some form of attachment, the two co-exist, lol.

:eek:

[size_of_light]

Isn't compassion a form of attachment?

:confused:

Surely not caring about anything is ultimate non-attachment.

Maybe the only thing blocking you from caring about everything is attachment to some things.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Maybe the only thing blocking you from caring about everything is attachment to some things.

:eek::eek:



Interesting. :cool:

[fromthatshow]

There's no point that's the point.
It'll come to you when you stop trying to figure it out. The only thing that holds us back to truth is our resistance. As soon as we let go control... it'll come flooding in.

[ex_anser_ovo]

I can't help but think that there was a point.
It just doesn't happen to be viable anymore.
Like a paradox that can never be resolved, but instead only furthered. :confused:

[lostinstrangeworld]

The universe is expanding and contracting into infinity

[ex_anser_ovo]

The universe is expanding and contracting into infinity

Is actually doing both in various forms all the time. And both are exponentially accelerating.
Things like spatial expansion to things like technological compression.

On one front, shifts are thinning out over the fewest number of dimensions possible.
Expanding into nothing. Like the space of the universe.

On the other front, shifts are increasing the number of dimensions existence can use. We can print 1000 virtual encyclopedia sets on the head of a pin. We can make virtual worlds.

Existence can both ways, and both are reflected in human philosophies as well.

[decode reality]

Why can't people earn money from doing what their soul sings to them? :(

That way we'd all be utilizing the best that is in each of us.


Why are we forced into molds that won't fit and into dead ends all because society says we have to chose a category to belong to....when the best that is inside us would be able to blossom if only the right doors were available to us?


Every living being deserves to be FREE.

Hi Emily,

It's true. What's also true is that the society around us and its institutions aren't set up for us to manifest our innate potential. Just the simple fact that the whole focus of education from primary school to university is geared towards getting a job rather than working for one's self, shows this.
Many other examples could be cited.

At some point in history, society must have been deliberately (and forcibly) set up like this. I couldn't pinpoint the details and dates- maybe someone else could?

What we find now are people who have no idea of their potential (or who have long since given up on manifesting it), conditioning others to then be like them! Any visit to a careers service or the dole office confirms this.

The challenge is for people who are aware of this to act accordingly. The obstructions are a pain in the arse at times but they're also there to make us stronger, by overcoming them. Icke mentions this in an early book, says we at the forefront of change are 'shit shovelers' who have to clear the way for others to come.

[gushen]

I can answer this with certainty, although I believe someone has already said something similar in this thread.

It is a paradox indeed. It is infinite indeed. and thus you can have many answers.

But ultimately the answer is just one: existence

Existence is existence's own purpose. To be, to exist is the purpose. it could not be different if you stop to think. you exist, and that is IT.

However, 'to exist' entails everything else; thus everything else is also the purpose indirectly. See that knowing this fact doesn't help. I mean, if you know that the purpose is everything, then how do you go about applying 'everything' in your life? It does not make sense. It does not work. However, I have found a solution, but I cannot reveal right now.

The purpose is to keep existing, but since it's not possible to 'cease' to exist, then there is no real purpose in this purpose. in other words, the journey itself is the goal, but the journey never really ends. Again it is a paradox. If the purpose is infinite evolution, then it is no longer a purpose by definition, because it will never come to fruition. But it does, all the time just because you exist.

Anyway, close to this "purpose" in itself that existence is, there is also the journey of consciousness. Existence is manifested through consciousness. Consciousness is the imminence of being: to be or not to be, that is the question (and also the answer!).

The purpose of consciousness is just one: to expand more and more. Everything that you experience, good or bad, is food for consciousness.

Notice that you are always striving to be more than you currently are. To be is the answers, to exist is the purpose.

Of course that, in theory you will eventually have learned and seen everything one 'day'. Once this happens, you will just sit and laugh and perhaps start it all over again. But in practice it never ends: evolution is eternal.

Those that say that the meaning is Joy, Happiness are correct because if the purpose is to exist, then you are already fulfilling it right now, and so you don't need to do anything else except have fun; that is what children do, because to exist (to be alive in our case) is enough for them. They rejoice on this fact alone. However, how many people can say that to exist is enough for them? They seem to live by lesser principles, always looking for something "else" when they have everything at grasping distance already.

Unfortunately, the "be happy don't worry " is no valid philosophy, because it's simply a re-statement of the obvious: physical existence is only a game etc... But try acting like that and you will enter in conflict with the other players that are seriously playing the game.

What the "be happy don't worry " philosophy fails to realize is that the 'contract' of the Game is that everyone PRETENDS that it's not a game. Beings conceal this obvious fact and keep on living to fulfill their Role in the Game. Everybody knows of these 'existential truths' on a deep personal level, yet they don't want to talk about it. It's like being in a movie and suddenly the actors start talking about the movie they are in.

But like children, some players become tired and want to take a break from the game. Others want to keep on playing (if you watch kids there is always a kid that wants to continue). This starts creating a good deal of conflict, but eventually everyone gets tired.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I wish I had a glimpse of what we can graduate to beyond the cyclic existence of pain/ pleasure...pain/ pleasure.

Raw food expert David Wolfe said here (although this is about raw foods) that we've been programmed to think that all highs must equal lows, but that this isn't true. I thought what he said was interesting. Link:

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dwolfe.htm

[lostinstrangeworld]

At some point in history, society must have been deliberately (and forcibly) set up like this. I couldn't pinpoint the details and dates- maybe someone else could?


I remember someone mentioning this....it may have been Mark Cocking on Edge channel, program called "Eerie Investigations". He's very knowledgeable; it was a fascinating interview.

[decode reality]

I remember someone mentioning this....it may have been Mark Cocking on Edge channel, program called "Eerie Investigations". He's very knowledgeable; it was a fascinating interview.


OK, I'll look that up, thanks.:)

[arty2000]

I wrote some thoughts down early on this morning. The thing is, I could be feeling happy or sad...I know its a choice which is up to me....to all of us....according to our perspectives and how we look at things. I feel I've seen and heard enough to know that there is a unified consciousness field through which everything in the universe is organized. But its the nature of things that really gets me....duality. I don't feel there is any real purpose as such....in being here.Here's what I wrote:Why does suffering.....why does evil exist?What exists beyond this world; our physical dimension?Everything in our world exists based on the laws of duality. If there was to be no opposition, isn't it true that creativity in itself could not be sustained?If there was no gravity, we would have nothing to strive against.....nothing to motivate or solidify by.Are there other dimensions....dimensions of evil, dimensions of love? And if there are, do they depend on each other for their very reason to exist....to create....to be a part of vibration at all?Is it just a cycle that goes on and on forever until we grow tired of it all and retire back to the source?If this is the case.....if creation/ duality is dependent on duality....then is there really anything at all we "need" to do?Is it all just a dream?
and notime we meet ourselves..to experience ourselves..to better understand ourselves,we are eternal travelers who create these illusions..to be just be

peace and luv my friends:)

[orbandsceptre27]

Hey Arty,

and notime we meet ourselves..to experience ourselves..to better understand ourselves,we are eternal travelers who create these illusions..to be just be


Something I see alot of on this forum is splitting the persona. You cannot meet, experience, understand or find yourself. You are yourself - this may sound overly simplistic, but you`d be surprised at how many people don`t get it. When you do you won`t identify anymore what you feel with who you are. You`ll feel emotions as everyone does, but there will be a space/contentment there you may not have sensed as deeply before.

Many end up seeking help because they want "a better relationship with themselves". There is only "I." You can never be angry with yourself, hate yourself, love yourself. You can be an expression of love, compassion, joy, hate etc - but you are not any of these things.

[arty2000]

Hey Arty,



Something I see alot of on this forum is splitting the persona. You cannot meet, experience, understand or find yourself. You are yourself - this may sound overly simplistic, but you`d be surprised at how many people don`t get it. When you do you won`t identify anymore what you feel with who you are. You`ll feel emotions as everyone does, but there will be a space/contentment there you may not have sensed as deeply before.

Many end up seeking help because they want "a better relationship with themselves". There is only "I." You can never be angry with yourself, hate yourself, love yourself. You can be an expression of love, compassion, joy, hate etc - but you are not any of these things.

very true my friend,but isnt that why we create these illusions in the first place...to experience.We are already perfect,we are infinite....why create these if not to experiece..why create darkness in all its many forms if not to find the light...we created the duality to find the balance..if not why then do we do this?you are right there is no seperation,never was nor ever will be.

peace and luv:)

[Ian2day]

There is not only I, there is I & I (I and I).

[arty2000]

There is not only I, there is I & I (I and I).

yes we are all actors on the stage and we are the directors...all the cast of characters.would you play the game if you knew the outcome.....isnt this whole duality thing fun...;)

peace and luv my friends:p

[orbandsceptre27]

very true my friend,but isnt that why we create these illusions in the first place...to experience.are already perfect,we are infinite....why create these if not to experiece..why create darkness in all its many forms if not to find the light...we created the duality to find the balance..if not why then do we do this?you are right there is no seperation,never was nor ever will be.


I agree Arty, but in experiencing humanity has become lost (so to speak) in the illusion causing much unwarranted suffering. We should be able to live contentedly in this world and see it for what it is.

There is not only I, there is I & I (I and I).

The "I" is only a pointer Ian2day, same as the "I and I." Bob Marley used it throughout his songs instead of "you and me." He was highlighting that there is no separation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCmFDzaYyQ
"Jamming" (or Jah men)

[garydi]

its not a dream - its a nightmare

and half of the people on this board confirm that by their responses
to any topic that threatens them . . .

very sad really

the other half are not as bad . . .

[peaceful_warrior89]

Here's my two cents. The sooner you stop asking this question and go with the flow the more you'll find happiness. Nothing is more self defeating than contemplating "the point". I know it's in your nature, my nature, and probably everyone who posts on this forum...but its a dead end trap. Just enjoy! Live here and now! Go make some cookies...then eat them! Write a song! Take a walk! Go swimming ...Take a Nap! It's easier said than done...but some things that help I find are being in nature. Ahhhhhhhhh Nature! Meditation is great too! Sleep is also great....exercise. I don't know if we will ever figure it out...but I for one am done asking.

[marpat]

I wrote some thoughts down early on this morning. The thing is, I could be feeling happy or sad...I know its a choice which is up to me....to all of us....according to our perspectives and how we look at things. I feel I've seen and heard enough to know that there is a unified consciousness field through which everything in the universe is organized. But its the nature of things that really gets me....duality.
I don't feel there is any real purpose as such....in being here.

Here's what I wrote:


Why does suffering.....why does evil exist?
What exists beyond this world; our physical dimension?
Everything in our world exists based on the laws of duality. If there was to be no opposition, isn't it true that creativity in itself could not be sustained?
If there was no gravity, we would have nothing to strive against.....nothing to motivate or solidify by.

Are there other dimensions....dimensions of evil, dimensions of love? And if there are, do they depend on each other for their very reason to exist....to create....to be a part of vibration at all?

Is it just a cycle that goes on and on forever until we grow tired of it all and retire back to the source?

If this is the case.....if creation/ duality is dependent on duality....then is there really anything at all we "need" to do?

Is it all just a dream?

These are the questions that start a person on the path, they show a need to know about being. All force is one. The only difference between good and evil is balance. If good becomes imbalanced evil is produced. To much love produces lust, etc.

[consciousness]

i think its a game....we are seeking absolute fulfilment absolute love absolute possibility absolute understanding absolute creativity

to get there we have to play in the game of duality....with rules...everything we do has effect, there are adversarys along the way, and there are guiding lights

but to know you are in a game is the first and biggest step

Correct. We are here to experience life in all it's vastness. Life is but a dream. We are living out the dream of life. To evolve to infinity and beyond.

[gushen]

The point of it all


is the point of it all


understand?

There is no real cause for Existence -- It exists and that is it. It simply does. Existence is already the primordial cause.

It is just that people have trouble accepting their own existence.