Hitler did not burn the Reichstag

[dell66759]

When considering the facts, it seems incredible that the myth of Nazi responsibility for firing the Reichstag could ever have been accepted at all. Yet it was, and by reputable historians such as Alan Bullock, author of Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, and Anthony Sutton, author of Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler. One wonders what other mythical versions of historical incidents have been accepted by historians and others "without looking at the evidence."

Read more:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p177_Wainwright.html

Comment: Shame on you so called "alternative media - Alex Jones etc." for lying to us.

So far the worst thing that I can confirm Hitler has done (if that's even true at all) is his own suicide.

[john white]

When considering the facts, it seems incredible that the myth of Nazi responsibility for firing the Reichstag could ever have been accepted at all. Yet it was, and by reputable historians such as Alan Bullock, author of Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, and Anthony Sutton, author of Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler. One wonders what other mythical versions of historical incidents have been accepted by historians and others "without looking at the evidence."

Read more:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p177_Wainwright.html

Comment: Shame on you so called "alternative media - Alex Jones etc." for lying to us.

So far the worst thing that I can confirm Hitler has done (if that's even true at all) is his own suicide.

LOL! so you researched carefully around the whole topic and this Nazi apologist article is the best case you can find?

[dell66759]

LOL! so you researched carefully around the whole topic and this Nazi apologist article is the best case you can find?

No, that was the first and only article I found on this particular subject of Reichstag fire. I didn't bother to look for more as it was enough for me to realize that I was lied to again as usual.

[tickles]

No, that was the first and only article I found on this particular subject of Reichstag fire. I didn't bother to look for more as it was enough for me to realize that I was lied to again as usual.

:D Classic. Great research on your behalf :rolleyes:

[dell66759]

:D Classic. Great research on your behalf :rolleyes:

It is certainly more then what most of you have done. Accepting without question anything AJ or David Icke says.

[chris]

No, that was the first and only article I found on this particular subject of Reichstag fire. I didn't bother to look for more as it was enough for me to realize that I was lied to again as usual.

The Reichstag is a very well known false flag op, I was taught it in school by my history teacher. It's very mainstream stuff.

Even if Hitler didn't burn the Reichstag, mainstream belief thinks this is so. He is just using that example as a wedge to enter lesser known false flags into peoples minds.

[cheeb]

No, that was the first and only article I found on this particular subject of Reichstag fire. I didn't bother to look for more as it was enough for me to realize that I was lied to again as usual.
I Am sure I repleid to you earlier,
I dont necessarily agree with your view,
Censorship is worse
Where is it gone.

[dell66759]

The Reichstag is a very well known false flag op, I was taught it in school by my history teacher. It's very mainstream stuff.

Even if Hitler didn't burn the Reichstag, mainstream belief thinks this is so. He is just using that example as a wedge to enter the more recent false flags into peoples minds.

Mainstream belief thinks this is so - that's the problem. Why don't they use real examples such as USS Liberty bombed by israeli jews ?

[fullfathomfive]

You appear to have accepted Peter Wainwright's view without question. Fuckwit.

[fullfathomfive]

I Am sure I repleid to you earlier,
I dont necessarily agree with your view,
Censorship is worse
Where is it gone.
No doubt it was the Jews what did it.

[dell66759]

You appear to have accepted Peter Wainwright's view without question. Fuckwit.

No unlike you I have looked at both sides and based on this information I decided what to believe.

[chris]

Mainstream belief thinks this is so - that's the problem. Why don't they use real examples such as USS Liberty bombed by israeli jews ?


Because this is a war. We do use those examples but its far better to use something known to everyone.

Why don't we talk about holocaust? Because it's their territory, AJ would be totally discredited if he even mentioned anything about it. This is not a truth fest, it's about making it presentable to the average sheeple to easily understand and make simple parallels with things they already know. AJ is great at this, if he were talking about reptiles everyday he would be no where near where he is today.

If you want to go on a truth fest then research as deeply as possible, people like AJ who try to bridge the gap between mainstream thought and alternative aren’t going to talk about more interesting topics but what they do works.

[fullfathomfive]

No unlike you I have looked at both sides and based on this information I decided what to believe.
No, that was the first and only article I found on this particular subject of Reichstag fire. I didn't bother to look for more as it was enough for me to realize that I was lied to again as usual.

Stop contradicting yourself. Fuckwit.

[john white]

No, that was the first and only article I found on this particular subject of Reichstag fire. I didn't bother to look for more as it was enough for me to realize that I was lied to again as usual.

LOL!

What a researcher!

Talk about a self pwning!

[dell66759]

Because this is a war. We do use those examples but its far better to use something known to everyone.

Why don't we talk about holocaust? Because it's their territory, AJ would be totally discredited if he even mentioned anything about it. This is not a truth fest, it's about making it presentable to the average sheeple to easily understand and make simple parallels with things they already know. AJ is great at this, if he were talking about reptiles everyday he would be no where near where he is today.

If you want to go on a truth fest then research as deeply as possible, people like AJ who try to bridge the gap between mainstream thought and alternative aren’t going to talk about more interesting topics but what they do works.

OK, fair enough. But why is it that if anybody calls AJ show and starts exposing holocaust then AJ will immediately cut him off and make him look like a lunatic. That's my problem with Mr. Jones.

If he was for real who would at last let the person talk. This way nobody could blame AJ for anyhting

[cheeb]

i doubt it mate,
Theres more anti-semitism
on this site,
than what there is on
Mein Kamph,
It was probably the christains,
or the new agers
POe
pTtP

[chris]

OK, fair enough. But why is it that if anybody calls AJ show and starts exposing holocaust then AJ will immediately cut him off and make him look like a lunatic. That's my problem with Mr. Jones.

If he was for real who would at last let the person talk. This way nobody could blame AJ for anyhting

I'd prefer some lone Zionist operative trying to provoke internal tension and take away gullible supporters with no discernment by focussed myopically on long lost causes blaming me than just all of the Zionist mainstream media.

That's what you are being led into, it's a trap, its politics. You can't speak about this stuff over the radio and keep credibility. If he ever got onto mainstream media, they would introduce him 'He's the holocaust denier, now apologise before you destroy America with your conspiracy theories.' If they tried that like he is, AJ could sue for bullshitting.

[dell66759]

Stop contradicting yourself. Fuckwit.

your are totally misinterpreting what I say. Obviously you have no interest in truth.

I said I looked at the issue of Reichstag fire from the other side and found an article that supports the idea that Hitler didn't do it. I already knew about the idea of false flag and how Hitler used it for his own advantage. SO how is it that I'm contradicting to myself. Obviously you don't get it or better yet you are not intersted in getting it.

[fullfathomfive]

your are totally misinterpreting what I say. Obviously you have no interest in truth.

I said I looked at the issue of Reichstag fire from the other side and found an article that supports the idea that Hitler didn't do it. I already knew about the idea of false flag and how Hitler used it for his own advantage. SO how is it that I'm contradicting to myself. Obviously you don't get it or better yet you are not intersted in getting it.

You're right. I am misinterpreting what you're saying. But that's probably because you haven't a clue what you're saying yourself.

By the way, if I were you, I'd quote more than one reference & consider the argument first. Saves people thinking you're an idiot.

[david ickes bike]

www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm

[thunda]

I don't know when it was written - But I think you might see more things like "Hitler didn't do it" cropping up in the future .. why? Because people are drawing together the similarites between Nazi Germany and whats going on today .. if we can say 'Hitler burned down the Riechstag' and 'Bush and Co were behind 911' and create a link between the two as in 'We do the same things as Hitler' then it might wake people up ..

Discredit that link by now claiming 70 year later that ' ahhh .. well .. Hitler didn't actually do that' and try and push into mainstream then those comparisons begin to die ..

Mind you tho, they might have a bit of a problem with 'invading soverign states and killing millions of innocents' .. but I'm sure some clever re-writers are on the case .. who knows - they might try and get a Hitler nominated for a posthumous Noble Peace Prize like some retards were pushing for Bush a couple of years back .. :D

[dell66759]

I don't know when it was written -

It was written in Summer 1981. Way before 911 conspiracy. My point is there are enough real examples of false flag attacks such as USS liberty that we don't need to invent lies about Hitler.

[thunda]

All your really looking at tho is one persons opinion .. but thats what makes the world go round.

My dad said to me the other month when we were talking about the global agenda - "Yeah, but thats just your opinion" .. he couldn't really grasp it when I said "Yeah, but the official story is just Blairs opinion - why do you take his word over your own sons?!?!?"

To be honest, we're not told the truth about anything. Even that stuff we find out about things probably isn't the truth either - its just one persons version of the truth that feels truer than the original lie. In reality, the only true truth is the one you experience yourself.

The incident involving the Liberty probably isn't as well known as you may think. WE may know about it - but ask anyone under 35 'out there' about it and they've probably not even heard about it before - false flag version or not.

Yet ask them about Hitler - and most will know at least some if not most of the reported details.

[december]

What interesting here is that from the very first page people began to attack dell66759 personally! :(
Noone even tried to discuss the topic.

Amazing...

Some posters - john white is one of them - are acting like Soviet Communists - they don't allow a person to express a different point of view.


Wow!!!!


If you'll ever get to power, you people, will build Gulag camps in UK...


THE FORMER MEMBERS OF THE DAVID ICKE FORUM -
http://www.okay.com/dunc/images/exile2a.jpg

[fullfathomfive]

Cool your boots Nov.

Del dug his own grave by betraying his naivity. We merely filled it in.

You've betrayed your naivity by crying 'Soviet Communists'! Listen to your countryman Prokoviev if you don't know what I mean.

You then make a personal attack against personal attacks by invoking gulags. The irony being that del would probably think they are a good idea.

Del can say what ever he likes. I choose to disagree with him.

You tend to put your your argument forward better. Del doesn't. That's the only difference.

[klinker]

I've always liked the story that says Hitler started WW II. Always cracks me up that one. :D

[baron von lotsov]

The Reichstag is a very well known false flag op, I was taught it in school by my history teacher. It's very mainstream stuff.

Even if Hitler didn't burn the Reichstag, mainstream belief thinks this is so. He is just using that example as a wedge to enter lesser known false flags into peoples minds.



Yes so if you were taught it at school one has to ask why they select that bit of history for you to 'learn'. I had my doubts about this one recently in a search for 'what other shit have they taught us about Hitler' after finding out much that does not tally with the establishment. Anthony Sutton was a first class academic, one of the best there has ever been in exposing this conspiracy. Hitler fell out of favour when he wanted to arrange for the state to print hard currency backed by silver reserves. You can just guess how delighted the bankers were at this prospect; Kennedy was the other one who had a similar idea.

[synergy777]

Those Dodgy Polish Sparkies, Lol

[december]

Yes so if you were taught it at school one has to ask why they select that bit of history for you to 'learn'. I had my doubts about this one recently in a search for 'what other shit have they taught us about Hitler' after finding out much that does not tally with the establishment. Anthony Sutton was a first class academic, one of the best there has ever been in exposing this conspiracy. Hitler fell out of favour when he wanted to arrange for the state to print hard currency backed by silver reserves. You can just guess how delighted the bankers were at this prospect; Kennedy was the other one who had a similar idea.

It is the THIRD page already and only Baron von Lotsov postsed something related to the historical events of that time.
Everything else is nothing but Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah... about lecturing others how to think...

Pretty soon this is not going to be an OFFICIAL David Icke Forum but a Punk forum...



Yes so if you were taught it at school one has to ask why they select that bit of history for you to 'learn'.

I think we need to find out one thing - did the Nazis really need to burn Reichstag to get more power...

To answer this question we have to know how much power did they already have in 1933.

[baron von lotsov]

Look up Heinrich Himmler and his diary. The one he wrote after he was dead according to Wikipedia. In it he is quite frank about what was going on at the time and his motivations for being a policeman. In no uncertain terms he speaks of the overwhelming desire to rid the world of Communist infiltrators. Jews were not a problem, the Nazis were primarily anti-Communist. The other serious anti-Communists were the Catholic Church who rescued Nazis from Nuremberg. I'd say the Catholics were a little wiser than most give them credit for. Communism and not right wing Nazism is what the NWO will be based on.

A real eye opener for me was the anti-globalist demonstrations in London. Look up the Mayday protest in Oxford Circus in 2002. I was there and the number of Commie students were overwhelming. Globalise Resistance is basically a new name for the Socialist Workers Party.

[montag]

To be honest, we're not told the truth about anything. Even that stuff we find out about things probably isn't the truth either - its just one persons version of the truth that feels truer than the original lie. In reality, the only true truth is the one you experience yourself.


I'm gonna print this out and stick it on my fridge...

Rock on thunda!:cool:

[baron von lotsov]

I'm gonna print this out and stick it on my fridge...

Rock on thunda!:cool:

I wouldn't. The first bit is right but the conclusion is deadly, namely the New Age concept of 'your truth', meaning truth is subjective. Actually truth is absolute; there are millions of lies but only one correct answer.

[fullfathomfive]

It is the THIRD page already and only Baron von Lotsov postsed something related to the historical events of that time.
Everything else is nothing but Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah... about lecturing others how to think...

Pretty soon this is not going to be an OFFICIAL David Icke Forum but a Punk forum...





I think we need to find out one thing - did the Nazis really need to burn Reichstag to get more power...

To answer this question we have to know how much power did they already have in 1933.

The fire was used by Adolf Hitler to claim imminent Communist revolution, suspend constitutional rights, and seize totalitarian power.

Stop lecturing people yourself. Or at least post something that isn't based on a slavic wet dream.

[king]

:D Classic. Great research on your behalf :rolleyes:

ROTFL

and usual victimize him then "blame the victim mentality"

what is next?
"Hitler was a humanitarian"???

[john white]

[b]What interesting here is that from the very first page people began to attack dell66759 personally! :(
Noone even tried to discuss the topic.

Amazing...

Some posters - john white is one of them - are acting like Soviet Communists - they don't allow a person to express a different point of view.



What utter tosh. This thread is still going along just fine from what I can see

What you mean to say December is that some posters, me being one of them, challenge your views or views you favour (not that you have the courage to express them other than through proxies) and you don't like it

It is you, not me, that desires a quiscient compliant forum December, and your complaint is pure projection of your own flaw: but then, life is a mirror

www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm

And here you pwn yourself pouncing on the opportunity to smear and insult Icke simply becuase we have a noob truthseeker making a niave thread

Born yesterday, I was not: You are still as transparent as glass!

John White being the leader

I'll take that as an inverse compliment, even though I only lead myself

[john white]

I wouldn't. The first bit is right but the conclusion is deadly, namely the New Age concept of 'your truth', meaning truth is subjective. Actually truth is absolute; there are millions of lies but only one correct answer.

LOL!

Only for those who lack the ability to empathise with more than one observer

Its called "playing favourites"

[baron von lotsov]

This thread is a classic example of all of you 'awake' people actually being asleep. December is right on this occasion, no one has managed to add anything to the original debate except some stuff I tried to put on this thread in the vein belief that some of you might reciprocate. John white, piss off back to your lodge, you are one of the main offenders here.

[john white]

This thread is a classic example of all of you 'awake' people actually being asleep. December is right on this occasion, no one has managed to add anything to the original debate except some stuff I tried to put on this thread in the vein belief that some of you might reciprocate. John white, piss off back to your lodge, you are one of the main offenders here.

I dont have a lodge other than in your mind, and you don't control me in anyway Baron, so unfortunately you will have to remain unfullfilled

I promise you this though: If you don't like my posting now:

You ain't seen nothing yet!

comes of being a Lion Heart

[synergy777]

reichstag/wtc same thing. both helped to usher in acts, homeland security/patriot act, prs.

did hitler collect the insurance cheque like silverstein, he collected over 2billion i think, good business. like they say, timing is everything, he took it out just before the 911. also the surge in put options before 911, on airline stocks, another piece of evidence, lol.

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

follow the money, paper trail. also they pulled wtc7, but it takes days to set up everything up for a controlled demolition.

[synergy777]

johnw, lions my surname. lol

baron, will this help.

[baron von lotsov]

Here is a challenge for you Mr White (black?).

Post some information you have personally researched on the Nazis. I'm waiting, and if you don't, then I know, and everyone else knows that you know nothing and are just trolling this thread.

[john white]

Here is a challenge for you Mr White (black?).

Post some information you have personally researched on the Nazis. I'm waiting, and if you don't, then I know, and everyone else knows that you know nothing and are just trolling this thread.

What do you mean "personally researched?" Pulled off the net? A library book? Or gone around Germany digging out core resources? Your in a fools position to challenge me on standards you can't meet yourself....

Especially as I did in fact reference the ideas of Goeballs in my recent talk, "View from the Rabbit hole", which I am 100% confident you have not watched and was posted here on this forum, so I have in fact provided an original synthesis of information:

Place that in your pipe and ignite it!

I don't suppose its ever occured to you that I tend not to post reams and reams of information digging out how fucked up history is on this forum is for a worthwhile reason?

Oh look Lotsov!

It's you that's therefore (by your deductive process) Trolling me!

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL etc LOTS

Left brain Gatekeeper!

[synergy777]

the nazis were no different to british israelis, neo cons, zionists, wahabbis, communists etc. if these fundamental things cannot register, well, good luck.

[baron von lotsov]

What do you mean "personally researched?" Pulled off the net? A library book? Or gone around Germany digging out core resources? Your in a fools position to challenge me on standards you can't meet yourself....

Especially as I did in fact reference the ideas of Goeballs in my recent talk, "View from the Rabbit hole", which I am 100% confident you have not watched and was posted here on this forum, so I have in fact provided an original synthesis of information:

Place that in your pipe and ignite it!

I don't suppose its ever occured to you that I tend not to post reams and reams of information digging out how fucked up history is on this forum is for a worthwhile reason?

Oh look Lotsov!

It's you that's therefore (by your deductive process) Trolling me!

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL etc LOTS

Left brain Gatekeeper!

Fucking troll

[john white]

the nazis were no different to british israelis, neo cons, zionists, wahabbis, communists etc. if these fundamental things cannot register, well, good luck.

Ah but the Baron's a Makow cultist, so to him the NWO is a conspiracy of the "Left", the "Right" is going to save us all, and the Nazi's were just misunderstood, the invasion of Poland being, presumably, high spirits

Actually, the Invasion of Poland was justiified by another False Flag!

[john white]

Fucking troll

You crashed and burned there, did'nt you Baron?

"Plucky Brit Pilot downs German Fighter ace"

[baron von lotsov]

You crashed and burned there, did'nt you Baron?

"Plucky Brit Pilot downs German Fighter ace"


I'm getting sick of your trolling. In all the time I have read your posts you have contributed fuck all to the conspiracy debate. You are a troll, you twist everything anyone says and to me you are like a scum of the earth. You want the NWO. I have no idea why but I'm just glad I never turned out like you. A useful idiot of immense proportion. You are a professional at it, you have fucked with literally thousands of people's posts and not once have you ever been helpful in the fight against the NWO. Your 'solution' is well known to many and consists of getting brainwashed and accepting it. Fuck off back to your lodge, scum.

[john white]

I'm getting sick of your trolling. In all the time I have read your posts you have contributed fuck all to the conspiracy debate. You are a troll, you twist everything anyone says and to me you are like a scum of the earth. You want the NWO. I have no idea why but I'm just glad I never turned out like you. A useful idiot of immense proportion. You are a professional at it, you have fucked with literally thousands of people's posts and not once have you ever been helpful in the fight against the NWO. Your 'solution' is well known to many and consists of getting brainwashed and accepting it. Fuck off back to your lodge, scum.

Thanks Baron: if you need me to be a bogeyman, I don't mind

If Icke can find it within himself to do that for others, so can I

And I Love You!

[thunda]

I'm gonna print this out and stick it on my fridge...

Rock on thunda!:cool:


Woohoo!! I'm on a roll ..

I wouldn't. The first bit is right but the conclusion is deadly, namely the New Age concept of 'your truth', meaning truth is subjective. Actually truth is absolute; there are millions of lies but only one correct answer.

Bah .. But Baron pisses on someone elses fire again .. :(

But the point I was making, Baron - is that the only truth you "KNOW" is that which you experience yourself - everything else is 2nd hand and someone elses version and can't be judged with 100% accuracy - so there should always be some doubt in regards to it.

[klinker]

Actually, the Invasion of Poland was justiified by another False Flag!

What false flag John?

My understanding is that Germany we really fucked over by the Zionist jews in the terms of the treaty of Versaille in that they lost the Danzag corridor separating East Prussia from Germany. Hitler was making many diplomatic overtures, with some success, to return the corridor to Germany and therefore bring East Prussia back into the fold. As diplomatic efforts seemed to be going well it was then that Germans in the Danzag corridor were being slaughtered and this genocide was being carried out by Zionist jews agents because they wanted to destroy Germany and a good way of doing this was to provoke Germany into a war with his neighbors.

[thunda]

Don't quote me : but the Germans launched an attack on their own check-point on the border with soldiers dressed in Polish uniforms, thus claiming to the German people that it was Poland who fired the first shots, so Germany had to take over the world in retalliation .. :cool:

[synergy777]

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070715_impeach.htm

Paul Craig Roberts Archive
July 15, 2007

Impeach Bush And Cheney Now
By Paul Craig Roberts

Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran.

Bush has put in place all the necessary measures for dictatorship in the form of "executive orders" that are triggered whenever Bush declares a national emergency. Recent statements by Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff, former Republican senator Rick Santorum and others suggest that Americans might expect a series of staged, or false flag, "terrorist" events in the near future.

Many attentive people believe that the reason the Bush administration will not bow to expert advice and public opinion and begin withdrawing US troops from Iraq is that the administration intends to rescue its unpopular position with false flag operations that can be used to expand the war to Iran.

Too much is going wrong for the Bush administration: the failure of its Middle East wars, Republican senators jumping ship, Turkish troops massed on northern Iraq's border poised for an invasion to deal with Kurds, and a majority of Americans favoring the impeachment of Cheney and a near-majority favoring Bush's impeachment. The Bush administration desperately needs dramatic events to scare the American people and the Congress back in line with the militarist- police state that Bush and Cheney have fostered.

William Norman Grigg recently wrote that the GOP is "praying for a terrorist strike" to save the party from electoral wipeout in 2008. Chertoff, Cheney, the neocon nazis, and Mossad would have no qualms about saving the bacon for the Republicans, who have enabled Bush to start two unjustified wars, with Iran waiting in the wings to be attacked in a third war.

The Bush administration has tried unsuccessfully to resurrect the terrorist fear factor by infiltrating some blowhard groups and encouraging them to talk about staging "terrorist" events. The talk, encouraged by federal agents, resulted in "terrorist" arrests hyped by the media, but even the captive media was unable to scare people with such transparent sting operations.

If the Bush administration wants to continue its wars in the Middle East and to entrench the "unitary executive" at home, it will have to conduct some false flag operations that will both frighten and anger the American people and make them accept Bush's declaration of "national emergency" and the return of the draft. Alternatively, the administration could simply allow any real terrorist plot to proceed without hindrance.

A series of staged or permitted attacks would be spun by the captive media as a vindication of the neoconservatives' Islamophobic policy, the intention of which is to destroy all Middle Eastern governments that are not American puppet states. Success would give the US control over oil, but the main purpose is to eliminate any resistance to Israel's complete absorption of Palestine into Greater Israel.

Think about it. If another 9/11-type "security failure" were not in the works, why would Homeland Security czar Chertoff go to the trouble of convincing the Chicago Tribune that Americans have become complacent about terrorist threats and that he has "a gut feeling" that America will soon be hit hard?[Homeland Security chief warns of 'increased risk’ Chertoff bases 'gut feeling' on history, Al Qaeda statements By E.A. Torriero ,July 11, 2007]

Why would Republican warmonger Rick Santorum say on the Hugh Hewitt radio show that "between now and November, a lot of things are going to happen, and I believe that by this time next year, the American public's (sic) going to have a very different view of this war."

Throughout its existence the US government has staged incidents that the government then used in behalf of purposes that it could not otherwise have pursued. According to a number of writers, false flag operations have been routinely used by the Israeli state. During the Czarist era in Russia, the secret police would set off bombs in order to arrest those the secret police regarded as troublesome. Hitler was a dramatic orchestrator of false flag operations. False flag operations are a commonplace tool of governments.

Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?

Only a diehard minority believes in the honesty and integrity of the Bush-Cheney administration and in the truthfulness of the corporate media.

Hitler, who never achieved majority support in a German election, used the Reichstag fire to fan hysteria and push through the Enabling Act, which made him dictator. Determined tyrants never require majority support in order to overthrow constitutional orders.

The American constitutional system is near to being overthrown. Are coming "terrorist" events of which Chertoff warns and Santorum promises the means for overthrowing our constitutional democracy?

COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

Paul Craig Roberts [email him] was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration. He is the author of Supply-Side Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington; Alienation and the Soviet Economy and Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.

[baron von lotsov]

Woohoo!! I'm on a roll ..



Bah .. But Baron pisses on someone elses fire again .. :(

But the point I was making, Baron - is that the only truth you "KNOW" is that which you experience yourself - everything else is 2nd hand and someone elses version and can't be judged with 100% accuracy - so there should always be some doubt in regards to it.


I'm just pointing out to you and others how the NA brainwashes people. You can argue all you like with it but the intention is as a warning, so you become aware the next time someone tries it on you. I say this because it is the number one way in which conspiracy research is being attacked by the elite. David Shayler looks like their next victim and I personally observed various people trying to work on him last time he was here. Now he is doing a talk at the Glastonbury Crop circle conference and Ian Crane is another. Once they have had their minds screwed up then people will laugh at them like they did with Icke on Wogan.

As I said this is a warning, I'm letting you know their modus operandi here and I fully expect this post to be countered by John White. I have no personal interest apart from exposing the NWO and assisting others in this venture. The Second World War is key to understanding it in an historical context, that's why I was so pissed off with the trolling earlier.

[john white]

What false flag John?

My understanding is that Germany we really fucked over by the Zionist jews in the terms of the treaty of Versaille in that they lost the Danzag corridor separating East Prussia from Germany. Hitler was making many diplomatic overtures, with some success, to return the corridor to Germany and therefore bring East Prussia back into the fold. As diplomatic efforts seemed to be going well it was then that Germans in the Danzag corridor were being slaughtered and this genocide was being carried out by Zionist jews agents because they wanted to destroy Germany and a good way of doing this was to provoke Germany into a war with his neighbors.

The basic story is: take polish prisoners, dress 'em in Polish Uniform, release them near a border outpost, shoot them, claim sneak attack by Poland, German people in a nationalist uproar, declare War, send in Panzer divisions

I'll leave you to have a root around if you want to know more

As I said this is a warning, I'm letting you know their modus operandi here and I fully expect this post to be countered by John White

Not at all Baron, carry on old chap

[thunda]

I'm just pointing out to you and others how the NA brainwashes people. You can argue all you like with it but the intention is as a warning, so you become aware the next time someone tries it on you. I say this because it is the number one way in which conspiracy research is being attacked by the elite. David Shayler looks like their next victim and I personally observed various people trying to work on him last time he was here. Now he is doing a talk at the Glastonbury Crop circle conference and Ian Crane is another. Once they have had their minds screwed up then people will laugh at them like they did with Icke on Wogan.

As I said this is a warning, I'm letting you know their modus operandi here and I fully expect this post to be countered by John White. I have no personal interest apart from exposing the NWO and assisting others in this venture. The Second World War is key to understanding it in an historical context, that's why I was so pissed off with the trolling earlier.

Lol .. I don't and have never listened or taken my inspiration from the NA movement .. not keen on much NA stuff at all ... just stating my own mind : Everything gets twisted and distorted before it gets to me and you - even if its just something as innocent as a case of Chinese Whispers. Therefore, the only real truth - wether its for or against the agenda - is what you experience yourself - everything else is just someones opinion based on a truth they heard about.

WWII is important as it was the catlyst for the events of the last 60 years - a major step towards implementing the NWO. Understand what happenned then and get to know whats to come. So the motivations of the players involved are vital.