Are most people on forum shirking responsibility

[reptileslayer]

I have started this thread because its apparent to me that many people are indeed shirking from the responsibility of dealing with the illuminati asap. All i am mainly receiving from most people on here is metaphysical psychobabble as a solution to dealing with the illuminati (as i've pointed out in my last thread this does not cut it) here is an outline of my solution of how to deal with them now in the real world) all comments welcome.

OK 'whats my solution for dealing with the illuminati'
what i'm about to say here i've never written in public before, but the situation is getting very desperate now, and i will offer what i can to the people.
For example lets call it stage one, at the present time there are only a smallish number of people, on the planet that understand whats really going on, and the only way physical or mind, to defeat them, is going to be with a large number of people working together, so to start we all need to get our aware groups connected together, what i mean by that is icke supporters, alex jones people, 9/11 truth groups around the world, and many other people that are aware, and they want rid of the illuminai. i am in the process now of helping to do that connecting. then when we have many groups and people connected around the world, we then go to stage two, which is total non compliance with anything to do with wars (invasions) revenge against 'terrorists' without thorough evidence detail and proof, without all this these, important rquirements, wars ect, don't happen period. And many other 'political' moves to be scrapped for example
immediate dismantling of the European superstate, and all the countries involved in it return to their own sovereign states, and another example the planned American superstate to be scrapped immediately, and for the American constitution to be followed to by the letter. ok stage 3 as the peoples will becomes stronger and more join us after they see the results of things done to our collective will, bring us all. We then completely remove all the illuminati government juntas, in countries like Britain, Usa, and other countries where necessary. Arrest the main culprits where there is evidence offered for their involvement in this thing, ie: the bloodline families and their stooges, lock them up, investigate them all, and deal with them as necessary.
And freeze all their vast ill gotten wealth, and take it from them after they have been proven guilty, and also at that stage change the money systems, so this will render them completely penniless. there will be a lot more work to do after that of course, i will take it further in due course.

[Anders Lindman]

Another strategy instead of push is to use a pull technique. What I mean by that is to pump out information on the Web and in other ways and then people will be drawn to the information by their own will. The push way is maybe needed sometimes, but the pull way is much more powerful once it has been set in motion.

Imagine for example Ron Paul having to do advertising and push campaigns in order to get people's attention. He and his team would then have to work very hard in order to get anyone to even listen to what Ron Paul was saying. But with the pull effect, people are drawn using their own will instead.

[herebynightfall]

the thing is.
from generation to generation. for the past thousands of years.
people have been born into this world, with hierarchy and outrageous politics.
and since they are born into this world of systematic, and controlled lifestyles,
they believe that it is 'just how the world works, by luck of the draw'

there have always been those, that realize how much more life is than that which we have been experiencing it as in this prison of a system that the illuminati have set up for us over such a long time. and those people try to speak out and awaken the population that doesn't understand this truth. that life is just a ride, and that we are free to get on and off when we please and we can change it anytime we want.

but as bill hicks says. we kill those people. HAHAHAHA

we just have to make a choice now between LOVE and fear

the masses only have to know. that history as we are taught, is the true history of our ancestors. but it is only so, because our ancestors followed this system and doctrine that has been put in place to benefit the few at the top of the pyramid, and that is not the best system for us as humans to express our true nature.

love always.

[james777]

I appreciate the outline and the well thought out plan, but honestly and realistically the majority of people enjoy being asleep. Haven't you ever tried to tell people what's going on behind the scenes and they just dismiss it as non-sense? That's how well over 85% of the population re-act.

Some things are set in motion and cannot be stopped until they are ready to be. We can only prepare ourselves as individuals and be ready to fight tooth and nail when the time comes. Let the tired sleep and the restless awake!

[Anders Lindman]

Another problem is that the information must be interesting, almost even entertaining. If I would ask people: "What do you think about the Bank for International Settlements?" Then they would reply: "the what?" (if I were lucky), or "yawn!" as the most common response. If I would say: "Did you know that Paris Hilton will be playing a bad girl in the Transformers II movie?", then that would be something people would be more easily able to understand and relate to.

[cruise4]

For now we have to Educate others. Revolutions are achieved by only a hardcore 5%, apparently, so its not like we have to wake the whole world.
This time is also different. People around the world are all working towards a common goal. This may not be the same goal at present, but as more unifying evidence comes out, so unification will automatically follow I hope.
Drivers are concerned about Pay per mile... so CO2 Global warming is an issue that directly relates to their cause and ours. Soldiers will not be happy that 9/11 was an inside job. Real police must be embarrassed by becoming essentially Mob Enforcers and the NWO relates to them directly. Teachers need to know about the dumbing down agenda. Nurses and Doctors need educating on medicine and vaccines. Farmers would be very interested in the 'Future of Food' (Google it - essential watch) and Monsanto Terminator Genes. Falun Gong, Gun Lobby, War Vets... the list is long. People are pissed off for many many reasons and feel something isn't quite right in this world. The EU thing is of massive concern to many Brits.

The point is most everyone has an issue that directly relates to them that they DO care about. That issue can be used to educate them on the whole issue. Go in there trying to explain spirituality or illusion etc. is a non starter... for now!

If we educate by information spread, I personally feel some event at some point will act as a catalyst and then possibilities will open up.

For now though get info spreading any way you can and keep doing it.
Thats my take on it anyway.

[herebynightfall]

yeah cruise.
hundredth monkey syndrome.

[holly_ocean]

just want to say how heart warming this thread is
so much the kind of thing needed
we've heard loads about who's to blame and that's been needed and probably still is
but people getting their heads together and asking what is to be done
even if we 're not all sure/agreed yet just to start a kind, civil, listening, respectful debate about what to do is so refreshing.
just to mentally connect with a vision of what we would like in this world and take any kind of steps towards it makes people feel sooo much better
i hope this thread takes off and continues in this mood

[eternal_spirit]

Basically where all fucked, that's how it seems at times. There is more of us than them, they wan't to use us against ourselves and eachother. I wonder if some of the NWO stuff is fear mongering and disinfo, even though at times it's possible. Most of what they have planned isn't going to happen, they would of made it happen by now. They can't physically man handle everyone!

How are they going to implant us all with chips? It's not going to be people queing up at the doctors saying chip me.

Microscopic nano-particles, we won't even know we've been chipped, they could be in food, water or airborn particles and that's just some of the ways.

How can we fight something we can't see? Those who control the planet and the people are in control now so why would they have to change anything? What would it achieve. It wouldn't surprise me if society satys the same as it is now.

[reptileslayer]

For now we have to Educate others. Revolutions are achieved by only a hardcore 5%, apparently, so its not like we have to wake the whole world.
This time is also different. People around the world are all working towards a common goal. This may not be the same goal at present, but as more unifying evidence comes out, so unification will automatically follow I hope.
Drivers are concerned about Pay per mile... so CO2 Global warming is an issue that directly relates to their cause and ours. Soldiers will not be happy that 9/11 was an inside job. Real police must be embarrassed by becoming essentially Mob Enforcers and the NWO relates to them directly. Teachers need to know about the dumbing down agenda. Nurses and Doctors need educating on medicine and vaccines. Farmers would be very interested in the 'Future of Food' (Google it - essential watch) and Monsanto Terminator Genes. Falun Gong, Gun Lobby, War Vets... the list is long. People are pissed off for many many reasons and feel something isn't quite right in this world. The EU thing is of massive concern to many Brits.

The point is most everyone has an issue that directly relates to them that they DO care about. That issue can be used to educate them on the whole issue. Go in there trying to explain spirituality or illusion etc. is a non starter... for now!

If we educate by information spread, I personally feel some event at some point will act as a catalyst and then possibilities will open up.

For now though get info spreading any way you can and keep doing it.
Thats my take on it anyway.Very good cruise4 i agree with what you are saying some very good points. Here is a reply i've just made in another thread of mine, (is icke shirking responsibility)

Originally Posted by tinmenace View Post
So, just the anti-NWO network will be in non-compliance?

Or, do you mean the general comatose population, and if so, how do you intend to encourage or enforce non-compliance?

Firstly the people who wish to join in with the non compliance stance, then hopefully it will give the confidence and teach many more people to de-programme themselves and do what is right for the good of the whole world. Apart from the illuminati of course.
Heres a little story that illustrates this idea
A few years ago i was talking in a sociology class, and i started talking about the illuminati and things that they were doing in society, at the time. What i was saying had never been brought up in the class before, but as i was talking, nearly the whole class were noding in agreement with me. And they also started to make their own points, about the negative things going on (by the way this was in 1997 before 9/11)
So this experience taught me, that there are lots more people around, who do know more of whats going on, but most don't talk about publicly, of course this due to the herd conditioning, that they have been bombarded with all their lives. And you will have noticed that i'm a very inhibited outspoken person
(in other words not conditioned) and as soon as i started the ball rolling, in that classroom, it opened most of the people there. I hope this answers you question Tinmenace. (if we capitulate hell on earth awaits us all)

IF WE TOLERATE THIS OUR CHILDREN WILL BE NEXT.

[cruise4]

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[synergy777]

look shirking resonsibility is the trend of the day. they blame govts, schools, media, parents anyone but themselves. in the 50/60's etc peopel had more spirit, look at the movements etc, people nowadays are apathetic, and cocooned in the luxury of materialism, ego gratification. or just too plain dumb and cowardly, in a non pc way, lol. its the painless convienent solution they search for, the holy grail deluxe.

[cafetimes1991]

For now we have to Educate others. Revolutions are achieved by only a hardcore 5%, apparently, so its not like we have to wake the whole world.
This time is also different. People around the world are all working towards a common goal. This may not be the same goal at present, but as more unifying evidence comes out, so unification will automatically follow I hope.
Drivers are concerned about Pay per mile... so CO2 Global warming is an issue that directly relates to their cause and ours. Soldiers will not be happy that 9/11 was an inside job. Real police must be embarrassed by becoming essentially Mob Enforcers and the NWO relates to them directly. Teachers need to know about the dumbing down agenda. Nurses and Doctors need educating on medicine and vaccines. Farmers would be very interested in the 'Future of Food' (Google it - essential watch) and Monsanto Terminator Genes. Falun Gong, Gun Lobby, War Vets... the list is long. People are pissed off for many many reasons and feel something isn't quite right in this world. The EU thing is of massive concern to many Brits.

The point is most everyone has an issue that directly relates to them that they DO care about. That issue can be used to educate them on the whole issue. Go in there trying to explain spirituality or illusion etc. is a non starter... for now!

If we educate by information spread, I personally feel some event at some point will act as a catalyst and then possibilities will open up.

For now though get info spreading any way you can and keep doing it.
Thats my take on it anyway.

Good post.

[apekteina lordosis]

i suggest we focus on a root cause that the great unwashed who are yet to "wake up" can identify with.

aka reptilians, the occult anything even remotely woo-woo isn't something many people would be prepared to spend their free time researching. "money" on the other hand i think people would be prepared to read a leaflet, look at a website, go off and do their own research. because "money" is real to them and very much effects their lives and the lives of the people they love. factor in governments handing over tax-payer money to banks and here in the uk the recent mp expenses scandal, well i reckon many who are yet to wake up are ready to listen.

keep it simple, factual and penned in a way that resonates with the majority. don't call them sheep, nor call yourself "awakened". and ffs don't mention shapeshifters ;)

then once money has been covered move on to vaccines...

[nectars]

Are most people on forum shirking responsibility

Depends on your definition really. Do you accept total and complete responsibility for all of it? -or are you "shirking responsibility"?