largejack
22-04-2009, 02:50 PM
I finally got a response from Caroline Lucas' department of the Green Party for my skeptical opinions about manmade climate change.
This is her reply:
Dear Scott,
Thank you for your recent email about climate change. Caroline has asked me
to respond on her behalf and please excuse the delay in doing so.
Caroline believes in the importance of rigorous, peer reviewed science. So,
she uses data that has been agreed by the vast majority of the scientific
community, as part of work conducted by the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change. The kinds of data you reference in your message is repeated
widely on the internet but, without a credible, independent, peer reviewed
source, Caroline does not pay it much attention.
The Green Party has argued for decades that human induced climate change is
a threat. At the time there were certainly no political or economic gains to
be had for doing so. Far from it - the Green Party's position was ridiculed
and sidelined until just a few years ago. So, I am not sure it is accurate
to claim that we support this position as a way of seeking control and
taxing people - especially as the Green Party is certainly not in a position
to do so, even if that were part of our agenda. Moreover, the Greens take a
far more progressive line on how to reduce greenhouse gas emissions than any
of the other political parties and continue to advocate policies that the
mainstream parties argue would be too unpopular to adopt. We believe that a
zero-carbon economy will deliver all kinds of social as well as
environmental benefits, however, and you can read more at
www.greenparty.org.uk <http://www.greenparty.org.uk/> and
www.carolinelucasmep.org.uk <http://www.carolinelucasmep.org.uk/>
Caroline argues that it is also important to properly invest in adaptation
but that this must not serve as a distraction from mitigation or rely on the
kind of growth driven economic model that has produced spiralling greenhouse
gas emissions in the first place. We also subscribe to the belief that the
plant has a finite carrying capacity and that population policies need to
reflect that. See http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/mfss/mfsspp.html
Please be assured that the Green Party has given these matters due
consideration, and continues to do so. Thank you for taking the time to
write to Caroline.
Kind regards,
Cath.
I replied with a few more comments, so I'll just see what they get back with next?
Hi
Thanks for your reply.
I was surprised to receive your email but not at all surprised by the predictable response from a party that is so blinkered into believing the manufactured evidence that CO2 causes Global Warming, that it will listen to no one else, except the bloated egos of the likes of Al Gore, (spreading his fearmongering propaganda around the Globe, and no doubt making a fortune out of it and getting a nobel prize along the way) and the scientists and so called 'experts' who only want their fingers in the New World Order till.
I wasn't surprised when you condemned the scientists who are skeptical about global warming, who in most cases are more eminent and specialised than the ones who aren't, I could list them but it would take me to the end of this week, and I wasn't surprised when you mentioned the internet, as if somehow the mere mention of the word undermines what they say. It's not their fault they can't get their message out anywhere other than on the web, where at least we still have some form of independent journalism and free media left. In fact most of the information condemning man made Global Warming as a scam, is fully documented and sourced but is of course kept out of the public eye by the mainstream media, who play along to the tune of those in power. The internet is getting the truth out, and it is no wonder then that the elites such as Jay Rockefeller are saying the 'web should never have existed' and are trying desperately to change it or get it shut down altogether. Could it be they're running scared!
Please answer the question... if CO2 is so dangerous to the environment why is it an integral part of the life cycle, along with heat, sunlight and oxygen? I'm sick of repeating to people that plants and trees breathe CO2 and in turn expire oxygen which living creatures breathe, and so the cycle continues. I think it is laughable that the powerful, all encompassing world would be harmed by a bunch of humans and a herd of flatulent cows! A large volcanic eruption spews out more CO2 than human activity over a hundred years, and why were temperatures in the Middle Ages hotter than they are today, was it the turbo charged apple carts?
I think you at the Green Party should focus on the real issues which are concerning the world and humanity today, like the the errosion of our civil liberties, the lies, the deceits, the endless illegal wars, the tortures, the banker bailouts which is putting every child not even born yet to the equivalent of thousands of pounds in debt, harmful vaccines, fluoride in water and harmful additives in foods, such as the artificial sweetener excitatoxin known as aspartame which is now in practically every soft drink, even if they're non-diet??? What about the chemtrails, or terraforming which Obama is now admitting exists. Why are they putting these artifical trails in our skies, which don't disappear like normal contrails, and instead spread their grid like patterns across the whole sky!!! There are thousands of these in the sky today, on a normal day we don't get that many planes where I live, but on a day like today there are planes flying in squadrons, unlike normal passenger planes. My friend's father worked in the RAF for thirty years and has never seen anything like this in the whole time he was there.
Why don't you discuss any of these issues? If you did people might start thinking you genuinely care, but I suppose you are too afraid to upset the establishment.
Thanks
regards
Scott
This is her reply:
Dear Scott,
Thank you for your recent email about climate change. Caroline has asked me
to respond on her behalf and please excuse the delay in doing so.
Caroline believes in the importance of rigorous, peer reviewed science. So,
she uses data that has been agreed by the vast majority of the scientific
community, as part of work conducted by the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change. The kinds of data you reference in your message is repeated
widely on the internet but, without a credible, independent, peer reviewed
source, Caroline does not pay it much attention.
The Green Party has argued for decades that human induced climate change is
a threat. At the time there were certainly no political or economic gains to
be had for doing so. Far from it - the Green Party's position was ridiculed
and sidelined until just a few years ago. So, I am not sure it is accurate
to claim that we support this position as a way of seeking control and
taxing people - especially as the Green Party is certainly not in a position
to do so, even if that were part of our agenda. Moreover, the Greens take a
far more progressive line on how to reduce greenhouse gas emissions than any
of the other political parties and continue to advocate policies that the
mainstream parties argue would be too unpopular to adopt. We believe that a
zero-carbon economy will deliver all kinds of social as well as
environmental benefits, however, and you can read more at
www.greenparty.org.uk <http://www.greenparty.org.uk/> and
www.carolinelucasmep.org.uk <http://www.carolinelucasmep.org.uk/>
Caroline argues that it is also important to properly invest in adaptation
but that this must not serve as a distraction from mitigation or rely on the
kind of growth driven economic model that has produced spiralling greenhouse
gas emissions in the first place. We also subscribe to the belief that the
plant has a finite carrying capacity and that population policies need to
reflect that. See http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/mfss/mfsspp.html
Please be assured that the Green Party has given these matters due
consideration, and continues to do so. Thank you for taking the time to
write to Caroline.
Kind regards,
Cath.
I replied with a few more comments, so I'll just see what they get back with next?
Hi
Thanks for your reply.
I was surprised to receive your email but not at all surprised by the predictable response from a party that is so blinkered into believing the manufactured evidence that CO2 causes Global Warming, that it will listen to no one else, except the bloated egos of the likes of Al Gore, (spreading his fearmongering propaganda around the Globe, and no doubt making a fortune out of it and getting a nobel prize along the way) and the scientists and so called 'experts' who only want their fingers in the New World Order till.
I wasn't surprised when you condemned the scientists who are skeptical about global warming, who in most cases are more eminent and specialised than the ones who aren't, I could list them but it would take me to the end of this week, and I wasn't surprised when you mentioned the internet, as if somehow the mere mention of the word undermines what they say. It's not their fault they can't get their message out anywhere other than on the web, where at least we still have some form of independent journalism and free media left. In fact most of the information condemning man made Global Warming as a scam, is fully documented and sourced but is of course kept out of the public eye by the mainstream media, who play along to the tune of those in power. The internet is getting the truth out, and it is no wonder then that the elites such as Jay Rockefeller are saying the 'web should never have existed' and are trying desperately to change it or get it shut down altogether. Could it be they're running scared!
Please answer the question... if CO2 is so dangerous to the environment why is it an integral part of the life cycle, along with heat, sunlight and oxygen? I'm sick of repeating to people that plants and trees breathe CO2 and in turn expire oxygen which living creatures breathe, and so the cycle continues. I think it is laughable that the powerful, all encompassing world would be harmed by a bunch of humans and a herd of flatulent cows! A large volcanic eruption spews out more CO2 than human activity over a hundred years, and why were temperatures in the Middle Ages hotter than they are today, was it the turbo charged apple carts?
I think you at the Green Party should focus on the real issues which are concerning the world and humanity today, like the the errosion of our civil liberties, the lies, the deceits, the endless illegal wars, the tortures, the banker bailouts which is putting every child not even born yet to the equivalent of thousands of pounds in debt, harmful vaccines, fluoride in water and harmful additives in foods, such as the artificial sweetener excitatoxin known as aspartame which is now in practically every soft drink, even if they're non-diet??? What about the chemtrails, or terraforming which Obama is now admitting exists. Why are they putting these artifical trails in our skies, which don't disappear like normal contrails, and instead spread their grid like patterns across the whole sky!!! There are thousands of these in the sky today, on a normal day we don't get that many planes where I live, but on a day like today there are planes flying in squadrons, unlike normal passenger planes. My friend's father worked in the RAF for thirty years and has never seen anything like this in the whole time he was there.
Why don't you discuss any of these issues? If you did people might start thinking you genuinely care, but I suppose you are too afraid to upset the establishment.
Thanks
regards
Scott