When Icke talks about Consciousness......

[amethyst]

....isn't he talking about God or a God "all-that-is' type of concept or consciousness?

I am not discussing about any specific "religion" or any "religious practice" mind you.

But what struck me when I listened to Icke's Project Camelot interview, (which was very good btw) was how very, very similar his ideas and experiences were to my own feelings and experiences, which I attribute to the idea of "God" or the 'all-that-is" or Spirit.

In the interview, Icke discussed how consciousness (and intuition) guided him and helped Him to make the right intuitive decisions for himself....that which helped "keep him on the right track" so to speak.

While listening to Icke, I kept thinking how much his experiences sounded so very similar to my own and I am wondering if there is more of a commonality of "experience" than we realise, but just a different perspective or facet of the same understanding of 'consciousness' -without putting a specific "label' on it and narrowly defining cosciousness or idea of God.

Thoughts?

[zero1]

I always think that when Icke talks about Consciousness and "Infinite Love", he's using them synonymously to describe a specific state of mind in which each part of the All or "God" is seen to contain the Whole within it. Kind of like a Nirvana, a Buddhistic state of mind.

But I could be totally arse-about-face on that one. I don't think Icke believes in deities, I don't think he would reference a supernatural entity which is said to exist seperate and distinct from Man and Nature when he says "God", for which Consciousness and Infinite Love may be synomns.

[Ian2day]

I think it is I & I Icke speaks of.

[Anders Lindman]

Jesus Christ has a similar description of consciousness, although he called it 'the Spirit of truth':

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." -- John 14:16-17 (New International Version)

[Anders Lindman]

Jesus Christ also used the name Holy Spirit to describe consciousness:

"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives." -- John 14:26-27 (New International Version)

I'm not a Bible expert. I got these quotes from an e-mail read by Oprah Winfrey. :D

[sade]

Sometimes I think that the whole matrix versus consciousnes thing is like the whole bible story re-told in a cool new way.

Matrix = satan
Consciousness = God

[amethyst]

Sometimes I think that the whole matrix versus consciousnes thing is like the whole bible story re-told in a cool new way.

Matrix = satan
Consciousness = God

Thanks, I like that.

I think this is a good analogy. The matrix equaling "satan" and consciousness equalling "God". Being aligned with the matrix is what causes all sorts of disappointments because the matrix is illusionary and temporary. Consciousness however, is infinite and eternal. It just is....and goes on and on and on......

Icke mentioned the matrix (the movie) a few times in his interview.

[amethyst]

Jesus Christ has a similar description of consciousness, although he called it 'the Spirit of truth':

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." -- John 14:16-17 (New International Version)

Yes, I see a lot of similarities to what Icke was saying and what Christ was saying. Christ said " And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)

Icke said "and the truth shall set you free"

[Anders Lindman]

Yes, I see a lot of similarities to what Icke was saying and what Christ was saying. Christ said " And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)

Icke said "and the truth shall set you free"

Yeah, and even Infinite Love as Icke talks about is perhaps similar to Jesus saying: Love thy enemies. Seems difficult to do in practice though. :eek: But I believe it's possible.

[tusme]

Imho, the term "God" has been "tainted by Religion"...and "Truth", "tainted by the heavily infiltrated 9/11 truth movement"...

Hence, for this reason, it is understandable DI's reluctance to use those terms...heaven forbid, if a "Consciousness" movement should be established and it be trashed :eek: :D hmm, would be interesting to know, which term DI would use next...!? :D

Anyway, imho, Consciousness is Truth (GOD)...if it ain't, then it ain't Consciousness and therefore, cannot be Truth (GOD)... :)

Hope that made sense...!? :D

[planetsadhana]

ickes beliefs are his own take on spirituality....and he expresses them in an everyman way and he is not afraid to contradict himself or take risks expressing his views on reality..

i see icke as a guide, teacher ,seer figure....he is not speaking from the position of a supernatural divine figure like buddha or christ..whos position was from the point of fully knowing and whos incarnation at a given time was a definite prophisised occurence to allow a direct transmission of spiritual power

most masters, avatars, saints,gurus guides are all coming from the same point of view....

[lightgiver]

Christ consciousness, god conscientiousness, Buddha consciousness, yes all good,above all we all need to have love and compassion to all,and this will lead to divine consciousness :)

Good thread and good answers;)

and for some practising a certain religion or path may assist in this aim.;)

For the benefit of all.

[metacomet]

While listening to Icke, I kept thinking how much his experiences sounded so very similar to my own and I am wondering if there is more of a commonality of "experience" than we realise.

Yep, we are all going through the motions set forth by the creator. These motions are eternal and are the same for us as they were for people thousands of years ago. Hence the Bibles ability to remain relevant in the modern age.

People are allergic to religion and so far up their own arse with ego obsession that they can't help turn their back on the truth. Funny thing is, this as well is an eternal predicament and was predicted in the scriptures.

Come to think of it, almost everything has been predicted by one religion or another. Just another reason for people to plug their ears and say 'la la la'... it might blow their mind to realize that it was the truth all along.

[amethyst]

Yep, we are all going through the motions set forth by the creator. These motions are eternal and are the same for us as they were for people thousands of years ago. Hence the Bibles ability to remain relevant in the modern age.

People are allergic to religion and so far up their own arse with ego obsession that they can't help turn their back on the truth. Funny thing is, this as well is an eternal predicament and was predicted in the scriptures.

Come to think of it, almost everything has been predicted by one religion or another. Just another reason for people to plug their ears and say 'la la la'... it might blow their mind to realize that it was the truth all along.

Interesting angle....I think possibly, that things that are happening here in this dimension, have already played themselves out in another dimension. I've heard it said that the earth is a mirror or reflection of the heavenly dimension.

[mauviene]

Personally I don't think there is anything called god or anything spiritual about consciousness. I don't think there is anything to find or anything to lose

Remember the good old teachings of Karl Marx..that spirituality..and religion..are the opiates of the masses (i.e. the only thing in stopping some sort of revolution).

[merlincove]

Sometimes I think that the whole matrix versus consciousnes thing is like the whole bible story re-told in a cool new way.

Matrix = satan
Consciousness = God

i like that post sade, a good angle.

Though the matrix itself is a learning experience on the journey of consciousness and represents a choice. imo

the choice is the same choice given to Adam and Eve, the choice to live in ignorance, be happy and stress free, or to take upon oneself knowledge and learning.

If we take upon ourselves the knowledge of the matrix, if we bide by its negative laws of tyranny, then we will be cast forever into the world of tyranny and become slaves of the tyranical leaders? hmm.

So consciousness is the vehicle that drives us away from tyranny, the ferry man upon the boat (human physicality) that steers us through the journey of life.

i've never looked at it like that before.

i think consciousness is more than we believe, and that we shape our ideas of it around the constructs in place to affect our comprehension, around the constructs of 3d 'realism'.

i think metacomet wrote in another thread that we aren't in a possition to percieve consciousness fully right now, but i feel that we are closer than we ever have been in physical form and that it is that transcendence of understanding that governs the dimensional shift of ascension.

Maybe what Christ was speaking about in the quotes given was not consciousness but consience, the inner voice of guidance within us? Because consciousness is more than that, it is a shapeless and formless knowing, a faith if you like but moreover it has a deeper and much more profound affect upon us than faith.

Consciousness is a knowing of God, i feel. A knowing that there is a purpose and a will, it is a learning of mistakes and an acceptance of what is truly, ultimately right for us as individuals working together as a global familly.

interesting topic

[metacomet]

the choice is the same choice given to Adam and Eve, the choice to live in ignorance, be happy and stress free, or to take upon oneself knowledge and learning.

If we take upon ourselves the knowledge of the matrix, if we bide by its negative laws of tyranny, then we will be cast forever into the world

Yes, definitely. Similar to my explanation for Genesis and the origin of Lucifer.

Lucifer offered knowledge that we didn't necessarily need... physical existence and the ego. Just another form of consciousness... we didn't need it, it was frivolous to go after it, but that's what children do.

Like a big thick forest with all kinds of mystery we went walking into this reality because we wanted to have knowledge of it. See what's inside... the result is living in physicality.

People like David Icke and other's who have 'seen' were more or less lifted above the treetops. They have a hard job in trying to explain to everyone down on the forest floor what is out there.

[crystaljunkie]

And all those branches that have been set in place do a good job of not only obscuring the blue skies they beat us down too, it can be difficult to climb those trees when you have fallen out them so many times.

It takes strength to climb, strength to know where your sights are set, it is weakness to allow the darkness to prevail and keep us on the forest floor.

Conscousnes = the strength to lift yourself up

[metacomet]

Personally I don't think there is ....anything spiritual about consciousness.

I'm not the type to tell people they're wrong but...

you're wrong.

Consciousness is the only object that science cannot find a material source for. (If you thought consciousness came from the physical brain, you might as well stop reading.)

Consciousness has been determined by quantum physicists to exist at such a small scale that it can't be measured. It can't be 'found'. It's everywhere.

If consciousness can't be mapped to a material source, than it is beyond the material : it is therefore spiritual .


Remember the good old teachings of Karl Marx..that spirituality..and religion..are the opiates of the masses

Nobody has ever called spirituality the opiate of the masses...

P.S. Marxism is a joke.

[nirvana]

Sometimes I think that the whole matrix versus consciousnes thing is like the whole bible story re-told in a cool new way.

Matrix = satan
Consciousness = God


This is what I think as well. Material v spiritual .



Peace:)

[size_of_light]

....isn't he talking about God or a God "all-that-is' type of concept or consciousness?

I am not discussing about any specific "religion" or any "religious practice" mind you.

But what struck me when I listened to Icke's Project Camelot interview, (which was very good btw) was how very, very similar his ideas and experiences were to my own feelings and experiences, which I attribute to the idea of "God" or the 'all-that-is" or Spirit.

In the interview, Icke discussed how consciousness (and intuition) guided him and helped Him to make the right intuitive decisions for himself....that which helped "keep him on the right track" so to speak.

While listening to Icke, I kept thinking how much his experiences sounded so very similar to my own and I am wondering if there is more of a commonality of "experience" than we realise, but just a different perspective or facet of the same understanding of 'consciousness' -without putting a specific "label' on it and narrowly defining cosciousness or idea of God.

Thoughts?

If it correlates with you own feelings and experiences, then the only difference I can imagine there might possibly be is the idea of a 'God' being something external to yourself, whereas Icke's 'Infinite Consciousness' is not a separate state of being.

[nirvana]

Christ consciousness, god conscientiousness, Buddha consciousness, yes all good,above all we all need to have love and compassion to all,and this will lead to divine consciousness :)

Good thread and good answers;)

and for some practising a certain religion or path may assist in this aim.;)

For the benefit of all.


Yes practising a certain religeon or path will help. Wether its christianity or buddhism .Because these will help you to activate the heart chackra.

I know plenty of born again christians who are really nice people calm,happy,solid bonds within there families. Also I know buddhists who have found peace etc through buddhism.


Peace:)

[nirvana]

Personally I don't think there is anything called god or anything spiritual about consciousness. I don't think there is anything to find or anything to lose

Remember the good old teachings of Karl Marx..that spirituality..and religion..are the opiates of the masses (i.e. the only thing in stopping some sort of revolution).


If you dont believe there is anything spiritual about consciousness you are right.:)

If you believe conscousness is spiritual you are also right:)

Peace:)

[tusme]

If you dont believe there is anything spiritual about consciousness you are right.:)

If you believe conscousness is spiritual you are also right:)

Peace:)
Hmm...!? :confused:

Mind explaining that, Nirvana...!? :)

[nirvana]

Hmm...!? :confused:

Mind explaining that, Nirvana...!? :)


Which is better 1 or 2 ?


1 Close your eyes imagine there is no such thing as spiritual mind,imgine that you are doomed. how does this feel?

Now


2 Imagine your life going to get better ,you dont know how but something fantastic is waiting round the corner for you. You have been guided upto now and there is a spiritual energy that is conecting with you now ,which is going to show you the way to go, listen to that voice inside yourelf.


Peace:)

[tusme]

Which is better 1 or 2 ?

1 Close your eyes imagine there is no such thing as spiritual mind,imgine that you are doomed. how does this feel?

Now

2 Imagine your life going to get better ,you dont know how but something fantastic is waiting round the corner for you. You have been guided upto now and there is a spiritual energy that is conecting with you now ,which is going to show you the way to go, listen to that voice inside yourelf.

Peace:)
Not sure I would choose either, tbh...!! :D

1) I wouldn't close my eyes, only to imagine something negative...also, I dunno what "spiritual mind" means...spiritual (Truth) energy yes, but, it's not possible to "imagine such energy away"...not while one is still existing, one can't... :D

2) The term, "better", is a Physical realm condition...in the Spirit (Truth) realm, such a conditioning is considered as, Truth...which is perfect and consistent...

As for the last bit...I wouldn't say it's a "voice"...rather, an intuitive knowing & being, that the right decision is being made...!!

Otherwise, if I have to make a choice...I'll settle for #2 :D

[demise_of_time]

Thanks, I like that.

I think this is a good analogy. The matrix equaling "satan" and consciousness equalling "God". Being aligned with the matrix is what causes all sorts of disappointments because the matrix is illusionary and temporary. Consciousness however, is infinite and eternal. It just is....and goes on and on and on......

Icke mentioned the matrix (the movie) a few times in his interview.

Excellent post Amethyst :)

[cleft_asunder]

....isn't he talking about God or a God "all-that-is' type of concept or consciousness?

I am not discussing about any specific "religion" or any "religious practice" mind you.

But what struck me when I listened to Icke's Project Camelot interview, (which was very good btw) was how very, very similar his ideas and experiences were to my own feelings and experiences, which I attribute to the idea of "God" or the 'all-that-is" or Spirit.

In the interview, Icke discussed how consciousness (and intuition) guided him and helped Him to make the right intuitive decisions for himself....that which helped "keep him on the right track" so to speak.

While listening to Icke, I kept thinking how much his experiences sounded so very similar to my own and I am wondering if there is more of a commonality of "experience" than we realise, but just a different perspective or facet of the same understanding of 'consciousness' -without putting a specific "label' on it and narrowly defining cosciousness or idea of God.

Thoughts?

According the Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi, God is even beyond the ocean of consciousness. Consciousness can be called another ego, body, or soul. Then we have the consmic consciousness manifesting itself into everything, taking all-that-is as it's body --the so-called "oneness" experience. But it is still dualistic. The kingdom of heaven is beyond consciousness, existing as pure awareness when there is no world, complete, without desire or volition.

This actually isn't hinduism as Maharshi doesn't belong to any religion. It will clearify your question.
http://www.hinduism.co.za/god.htm

[emanuel]

There are very many parallels between all religeons beliefs, alien/ufo theories of creation and DI's writings.

In my opinion, very many 'corners' or 'boxes' of perspective describe the same thing. And yes, DI is just another school of thought.

[amethyst]

According the Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi, God is even beyond the ocean of consciousness. Consciousness can be called another ego, body, or soul. Then we have the consmic consciousness manifesting itself into everything, taking all-that-is as it's body --the so-called "oneness" experience. But it is still dualistic. The kingdom of heaven is beyond consciousness, existing as pure awareness when there is no world, complete, without desire or volition.

This actually isn't hinduism as Maharshi doesn't belong to any religion. It will clearify your question.
http://www.hinduism.co.za/god.htm

I agree, God is beyond the ocean of consciousness.

Yes practising a certain religeon or path will help. Wether its christianity or buddhism .Because these will help you to activate the heart chackra.

There's something that really resonates with me, and this is where Icke talks about the heart. I firmly agree that your heart is a guiding force in your decision making process, along with your intellect. But a lot seem to just rely only on their intellect and leave their heart's feelings completely out of the equation.

[montag]

I agree, God is beyond the ocean of consciousness.



There's something that really resonates with me, and this is where Icke talks about the heart. I firmly agree that your heart is a guiding force in your decision making process, along with your intellect
In Taoism and Chinese medicine the Shen (Spirit/Mind) is stored in the Xin (Heart). The Taoists have no concept of a God though, to them it is the Tao (nameless) that is all pervading, to attach any labels to it like God or consciousness is to limiting. The way(Tao) that can be told is not the way(Tao).

[tattooverb]

It has become increasingly evident that the energy that powers the universe, which some call the unified or zero point field and others call God, is consciousness. It is this consciousness projected through the interference pattern of energy waves that gives rise to us, all that we perceive and that which we do not. It can therefore be said that we are all a manifestation of the consciousness from which the universe arises. This consciousness is who we are, what we are and it is also where we are. Like all energy consciousness is never gained or lost it simply changes form. When you tap into the part of yourself that is infinite consciousness you see the physical form is just the receiver. The real you is a mote of infinite consciousness.

[cleft_asunder]

There's something that really resonates with me, and this is where Icke talks about the heart. I firmly agree that your heart is a guiding force in your decision making process, along with your intellect. But a lot seem to just rely only on their intellect and leave their heart's feelings completely out of the equation.

The mind takes you to the door, and being conscious walks you through it.

[biblegirl]

In Taoism and Chinese medicine the Shen (Spirit/Mind) is stored in the Xin (Heart). The Taoists have no concept of a God though, to them it is the Tao (nameless) that is all pervading, to attach any labels to it like God or consciousness is to limiting. The way(Tao) that can be told is not the way(Tao).

i like this concept :)

[cleft_asunder]

It has become increasingly evident that the energy that powers the universe, which some call the unified or zero point field and others call God, is consciousness. It is this consciousness projected through the interference pattern of energy waves that gives rise to us, all that we perceive and that which we do not. It can therefore be said that we are all a manifestation of the consciousness from which the universe arises. This consciousness is who we are, what we are and it is also where we are. Like all energy consciousness is never gained or lost it simply changes form. When you tap into the part of yourself that is infinite consciousness you see the physical form is just the receiver. The real you is a mote of infinite consciousness.

Those that are self-realised say that the truth is even beyond that. Consciousness implies object. To be conscious is to be conscious of something, which is duality. When awareness no longer focuses on consciousness but rather on itself, there are no objects/forms, and the self remains single.

Sounds scary. Nothing scares me more than enlightenment.

[amethyst]

In Taoism and Chinese medicine the Shen (Spirit/Mind) is stored in the Xin (Heart). The Taoists have no concept of a God though, to them it is the Tao (nameless) that is all pervading, to attach any labels to it like God or consciousness is to limiting. The way(Tao) that can be told is not the way(Tao).

Really? That's very interesting!

The Taoists have no concept of a God though, to them it is the Tao (nameless) that is all pervading, to attach any labels to it like God or consciousness is to limiting. The way(Tao) that can be told is not the way

I like that. Our human (limited) terms can't define the unlimited.

Perhaps we've developed terms or have been given terms so that we can understand certain aspects of the infinite in our "finite" dimension.

[tattooverb]

cleft_asunder

that is just the final part of a longer piece i wrote but it was mainly what i wanted to say without getting too long winded if you would like to read the whole article here is a link

http://justonemind.com/index.php/exclusives/50-tattooverb/2287-reality-an-enormous-interference-pattern

and yes in the end it is all a manifestation of one

[cheeb]

Perhaps One Should Famaliarise,
Ones Self With...

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9038/pooh23.gif

The Works Of A.A.Milne Before The Works Of David Icke On Consciousness...???

:rolleyes:

[tattooverb]

Perhaps One Should Famaliarise,
Ones Self With...

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9038/pooh23.gif

The Works Of A.A.Milne Before The Works Of David Icke On Consciousness...???

:rolleyes:

"while eeyore worries and rabbit hurries pooh just is"

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/15/dc/1956024128a013ba9ae7c010.L.jpg

[montag]

Really? That's very interesting!
It is interesting, a disturbed Shen is often treated with acupuncture to re-seat it in the Xin if it becomes disturbed. Chinese medicine is fundamentally an energy medicine and the acupuncturist is a kind of electrician that attempts to maintain or restore balance to the human energy system.

I like that. Our human (limited) terms can't define the unlimited.
The more we try to grasp it with our minds the further away we get from it..

[amethyst]

[QUOTE=montag;946822]It is interesting, a disturbed Shen is often treated with acupuncture to re-seat it in the Xin if it becomes disturbed. Chinese medicine is fundamentally an energy medicine and the acupuncturist is a kind of electrician that attempts to maintain or restore balance to the human energy system.

This ties into what I've read, that some individuals have actually died of a "broken" heart. This concept of having a "disturbed Shen", is more powerful than we realise.

[orbandsceptre27]

I think it is I & I Icke speaks of.

Bob Marley - "I and I will see you through!" :)

Bob Marley. Jamming. - YouTube

[cheeb]

It is interesting, a disturbed Shen is often treated with acupuncture to re-seat it in the Xin if it becomes disturbed. Chinese medicine is fundamentally an energy medicine and the acupuncturist is a kind of electrician that attempts to maintain or restore balance to the human energy system.


The more we try to grasp it with our minds the further away we get from it..

Then The Tales Of Brother Rabbit Would Suit You More...!!!

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4007/brerrabbitandbrerwolf18.jpg

Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear construct a doll out of a lump of tar and dressed it with some clothes.

When Br'er Rabbit comes along he addresses the tar "baby" amiably, but receives no response.

Br'er Rabbit becomes offended by what he perceives as the Tar Baby's lack of manners, kicks it, and in doing so becomes stuck.

Now that Br'er Rabbit is stuck, Br'er Fox ponders how to dispose of him.

The helpless, but cunning, Br'er Rabbit pleads,

"Please don't throw me in the briar patch," prompting Fox to do exactly that.

As rabbits are at home in thickets, the resourceful Br'er Rabbit escapes.

Using the phrases
"please don't throw me in the briar patch"
and "tar baby" to refer to the idea of

"a problem that gets worse the more one struggles against it"

became part of the wider culture of the United States in the mid-20th century.

The Falcon Has Spoken...!!!

:eek:

[montag]

The Falcon Has Spoken...!!!

:eek:
:)

[amethyst]

Montag, do you know any Taoist sayings that have to do with the "heart"?