an opinion about this forum

[graflok]

If I go to, say, a stamp collecting forum and begin to leave posts saying
that stamp collectors are losers or collecting stamps is stupid, etc. I
don't think I would last very long on that forum.

The same would be true of many, many other forums that are comprised
of like-minded enthusiasts of a certain subject or activity.

Why? Because it just wouldn't make sense for an anti-stamp collector (or
whatever) to be allowed to continue to disrupt a peaceful forum. If more
such individuals were allowed in, many members would go elsewhere and the
forum would degrade or die.

I think on most such forums a person like that would be removed and no
one would question it even though it would be "undemocratic" to do so.

But, for some reason, on a forum like this it is no longer considered a
forum for enthusiasts to enjoy each others' views. No. It must be
a debating forum. A place to argue about whether David Icke is
right or wrong or if he is really a freemason or a reptilian and we're all
crazy, etc., etc. We must be "democratic" and allow anyone into the forum.
We mustn't exclude anyone.

God, it's really getting old, man. I think that attitude is going to put this
forum right down the drain in short order.

Aren't there already a number of forums where "paranormal" ideas are debated?
Isn't anyone free to create such a forum, even an anti-David Icke forum if
they wish?

Is it wrong to have a peaceful forum of like-minded individuals? I'm not
saying everyone has to agree. I'm sure not all stamp collectors agree
on everything, but they do at least agree that they enjoy stamp collecting and
see it as a positive thing.

We are inundated day in and day out by the NWO mindset. It is on every
channel, it is in every newspaper, it is even in the water we drink and
the air we breathe. Do we have to endure it here too? Isn't this David
Icke's own forum? Must it be a "debate" forum filled with an increasing
number of hostile critics?

Personally, I would like to see this as a David Icke enthusiast forum.
I'd like to see some "undemocratic" filtering out of members who are not
at least Icke fans or friendly toward the material in the same way that
most any forum would be set up that caters to a special interest.

And, I think if this doesn't happen, the forum is going to turn into one
big "David Icke shooting match & rant room" very soon.

[lifeofbrian]

David Icke wants to find out the truth as far as I know.

He never struck me as a guru-dictator only out for worship of his splendid person.

Grow thicker skin.

[david ickes bike]

My forum has advocates of both sides in many subjects and we all get along most of the time. I think the problem is here if someone shows an alternative point of view to mostly they are abused called names and hunted down like a witch. If a subject annoys a person that much they should just avoid it.

[herebynightfall]

I kinda agree graflok

I try to write my threads in such a context whereas the reader cant really attempt to put me down for the piece. But rather my threads are just ideas of things to think about, no forcing my will upon another, rather suggestions for what is in my perception, a 'better for the world to know these facts' type info.

Maybe you'd enjoy my stuff.
Beacon of hope. (I hope) (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6058)
I've finally understood Mr. Icke on this. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6193)
'Sweet' Dreams (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=77196&posted=1#post77196)

enjoy

[david ickes bike]

Is it really the case that some people her want to post and have things excepted without question? How very unlike Icke, how will you ever learn anything?

[john white]

Is it really the case that some people her want to post and have things excepted without question? How very unlike Icke, how will you ever learn anything?

don't be tiresome, it seems to me that your mind is more than a little closed to learning for you to be so certain about assumptions

[lifeofbrian]

Is it really the case that some people her want to post and have things excepted without question? How very unlike Icke, how will you ever learn anything?

Appears so. Sore spots all over the place.

[lifeofbrian]

don't be tiresome, it seems to me that your mind is more than a little closed to learning for you to be so certain about assumptions

You mean: "Go With The Programme"?

LOL

[david ickes bike]

Lol my point proven. A different point of view sparks abuse.

[lifeofbrian]

Lol my point proven. A different point of view sparks abuse.

Discernment is not always easy. There are smart and dumb Icke-readers. And there are smart and dumb Icke-debunkers.

All flock here.

[john white]

don't be tiresome, it seems to me that your mind is more than a little closed to learning for you to be so certain about assumptionsLol my point proven. A different point of view sparks abuse.

Explain to me how my opinion constitutes "abuse"

Is it really the case that some people her want to post and have things excepted without question? How very unlike Icke, how will you ever learn anything?

If your opinion does not?

I don't feel either is "abuse" myself

However, theres your point dis-proven

You mean: "Go With The Programme"?

LOL

No, I mean walk without hubris

[david ickes bike]

John you said i was being tiresome and that my mind is more than a little closed to learning. Thats insulting and abusive. I spoke my mind if you dont agree say so but insults and abuse please keep to yourself.

[kasalt]

Is it wrong to have a peaceful forum of like-minded individuals? ...Personally, I would like to see this as a David Icke enthusiast forum. I'd like to see some "undemocratic" filtering out of members who are not at least Icke fans or friendly toward the material in the same way that
most any forum would be set up that caters to a special interest.

That all sounds very nice, but the problem with what you're suggesting is that it flies in the face of the spirit of free and independent inquiry that David Icke stands for. Why don't you just simply start up your own Icke discussion forum where whatever you say goes--and whoever you say goes? I think most people are here to arrive at sometimes hard-won truths moreso than to pat each other on the back for being "like-minded".

[john white]

Well Mr Icke's Bike I find your repeated posts expressing your opinion of this community via lower common denominators tiresome, and I can therefore say so: but the "abuse" is in your own head

I also consider you allowing your own conciousness to settle at such a level is in itself a subconcious barrier to learning, becuase it implies an "aloof" control drama acting as a reducing valve for information flow

I also doubt your forum is filled with posters so sensitive to a word as innocuous as "tiresome"

[lifeofbrian]

Well Mr Icke's Bike I find your repeated posts expressing your opinion of this community via lower common denominators tiresome, and I can therefore say so: but the "abuse" is in your own head

I also consider you allowing your own conciousness to settle at such a level is in itself a subconcious barrier to learning, becuase it implies an "aloof" control drama acting as a reducing valve for information flow

I also doubt your forum is filled with posters so sensitive to a word as innocuous as "tiresome"

I recommend a nap if you feel tired. Does the trick for me. ;)

[i_am]

My 2c graflok is that it is a good thing to have alternative views discussed Not one of us knows it all and I am willing to listen to others points of view. It is only when people start expressing that their opinion is right and others are wrong that it gets my back up too. When that happens, it often turns into an insultathon and one-up-manship.

If everyone left their egos at the door when entering, then maybe the need to be right would not be important. Of course on a forum like this we are going to have disagreements that may get a little heated but lets try to not let it get personal.

Instead of saying YOU ARE WRONG or words to that effect, try saying I think, I believe, it is my opinion or I disagree and this is why. It changes the whole aspect of what you are saying.

[john white]

I recommend a nap if you feel tired. Does the trick for me. ;)

Am I not "going with your programme"?

[lifeofbrian]

Am I not "going with your programme"?

davidickesbike did not make me tired - have plently of energy of my own.

Just saying; if you find something draining you - "tiresome" - maybe you are leaking.

[john white]

davidickesbike did not make me tired - have plently of energy of my own.

Just saying; if you find something draining you - "tiresome" - maybe you are leaking.

Its not something I worry about, theres an infinate supply: in truth we are better as a flow than as a container

and whether I continue to manifest the thought form "tiresome" in relation to Mr Ickes Bike depends on whether he chooses to keep manifesting the same patterns, and whether I choose to relate to it in the same way

The beauty of uncertainity

[lifeofbrian]

Its not something I worry about, theres an infinate supply: in truth we are better as a flow than as a container

and whether I continue to manifest the thought form "tiresome" in relation to Mr Ickes Bike depends on whether he chooses to keep manifesting the same patterns, and whether I choose to relate to it in the same way

The beauty of uncertainity

Ouch man - co dependency sounds more like it.

Checked out your video on google. Cool. Fast talker eh. Still very good.

[john white]

Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time

[tinmenace]

If I go to, say, a stamp collecting forum and begin to leave posts saying
that stamp collectors are losers or collecting stamps is stupid, etc. I
don't think I would last very long on that forum.

The same would be true of many, many other forums that are comprised
of like-minded enthusiasts of a certain subject or activity.

Why? Because it just wouldn't make sense for an anti-stamp collector (or
whatever) to be allowed to continue to disrupt a peaceful forum. If more
such individuals were allowed in, many members would go elsewhere and the
forum would degrade or die.

I think on most such forums a person like that would be removed and no
one would question it even though it would be "undemocratic" to do so.

But, for some reason, on a forum like this it is no longer considered a
forum for enthusiasts to enjoy each others' views. No. It must be
a debating forum. A place to argue about whether David Icke is
right or wrong or if he is really a freemason or a reptilian and we're all
crazy, etc., etc. We must be "democratic" and allow anyone into the forum.
We mustn't exclude anyone.

God, it's really getting old, man. I think that attitude is going to put this
forum right down the drain in short order.

Aren't there already a number of forums where "paranormal" ideas are debated?
Isn't anyone free to create such a forum, even an anti-David Icke forum if
they wish?

Is it wrong to have a peaceful forum of like-minded individuals? I'm not
saying everyone has to agree. I'm sure not all stamp collectors agree
on everything, but they do at least agree that they enjoy stamp collecting and
see it as a positive thing.

We are inundated day in and day out by the NWO mindset. It is on every
channel, it is in every newspaper, it is even in the water we drink and
the air we breathe. Do we have to endure it here too? Isn't this David
Icke's own forum? Must it be a "debate" forum filled with an increasing
number of hostile critics?

Personally, I would like to see this as a David Icke enthusiast forum.
I'd like to see some "undemocratic" filtering out of members who are not
at least Icke fans or friendly toward the material in the same way that
most any forum would be set up that caters to a special interest.

And, I think if this doesn't happen, the forum is going to turn into one
big "David Icke shooting match & rant room" very soon.

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I agree.

I know that some of my favorite people on this forum are on a different path than I am, but they respect my views and I respect theirs. Proof that we don't all agree. Not everyone I know and like, believes in the reptilian agenda, but I don't hammer them day after day about it, and they don't mock me for believing it.

Trolls on the other hand rarely start interesting threads with solid information that can help us all. Often they know nothing about David's work. Instead they want to criticize David and maliciously attack those of us that defend David here on his OWN forum.

We are spending so much time and energy counteracting the negative effects of malicious posts from trolls, that we have very little time to discuss other issues.

I agree with Graflok, this is about David Icke. His name is up on the forum. I don't see why we should tolerate anti-David trolls.

Go to the anti-David forum and have at it.

[bigus_dickus]

David covers a great deal of subjects in his books and touches every possible aspect of our reality. he even talks about infinity, as pure love and as unending possibility. hence the so many categories in his forum that cover pretty much everything.

therefore, anyone can find a place here. it can even be a starting point. david influences many people, because he is one of the people (us) and because his sources are our sources. many people have thought that he wrote the books that they wanted to write and even better, so what i mean is that we are in common ground. even so, our thoughts are being exchanged all the time and everyone is a teacher and a student at the same time.

anyway, someone who has never read any of his books, but hears of him and wants to take a look at what he says, is going to go to his website and very possibly visit the forum.

how do you want the forum to look like to him? there is a skeptical person right now reading it, do you prefer that he joins, or that he leaves dismissing everything? i am not talking about a troll, but imagine a 50 year old man, well educated.

now, it kind of appears as a mixture of religious and anti-religious people, fighting about religions and anti-religions instead of looking at real problems, about their beliefs, predicting days of destruction, getting fascinated with anything "supernatural", wanting to make a point, wanting others to look at propaganda, having their own agendas and interests, questioning everything, questioning nothing. pretty much as the real world it is.

[tickles]

I agree with graflok but i also agree that we need debate.

Maybe there could be a grading system?. A few moderators can look at a persons posts and if they're all negative, attacking, non contributing posts then the person might as well be removed.

If the person has come here to learn, understand, get there head around, agree, disagree in a civilised manor then they can stay.

Theres plenty of other forums out there if they just want to stir shit, have a laugh, push their agenda.

People come here to learn not be mocked.
Thats my two cents worth.

[limelady]

bigus dickus said:
now, it kind of appears as a mixture of religious and anti-religious people, fighting about religions and anti-religions instead of looking at real problems, about their beliefs, predicting days of destruction, getting fascinated with anything "supernatural", wanting to make a point, wanting others to look at propaganda, having their own agendas and interests, questioning everything, questioning nothing. pretty much as the real world it is.

Yes I agree, there has been a lot of religion (particularly Christianity pros and cons) debated in "General" of late. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to start these threads in the forum set up for these discussions?

Would people prefer such threads were move straight into the "Religion" forum for those who wish to debate such matters??

LL

[bigus_dickus]

bigus dickus said:


Yes I agree, there has been a lot of religion (particularly Christianity pros and cons) debated in "General" of late. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to start these threads in the forum set up for these discussions?

Would people prefer such threads were move straight into the "Religion" forum for those who wish to debate such matters??

LL

well, i would personally prefer to discuss them in their appropriate forums. however, the situation will remain the same, because people bring their beliefs up all the time, in order to identify themselves with.

[kasalt]

Everything in its proper place, Lime. I think some people start threads in the "General" catagory only because that's where readers seem to hang out the most. But once started, they should be moved to their appropriate catagories further down the page.

[john white]

bigus dickus said:


Yes I agree, there has been a lot of religion (particularly Christianity pros and cons) debated in "General" of late. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to start these threads in the forum set up for these discussions?

Would people prefer such threads were move straight into the "Religion" forum for those who wish to debate such matters??

LL

How about shifting threads if they grow past a single page?

Alternatively, archive threads if they drop off page one of the general chat index

Mind you, I do reckon it would be nice to increase the number of threads displayed per index page, once theres a few stickies active in general chat a thread can drop onto page two inside an hour

[i am all i am]

Would people prefer such threads were move straight into the "Religion" forum for those who wish to debate such matters??

LL

G'day Limelady.

Yes !!!

That's a big yes from me.



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[supertzar]

I have learned the most on forums that were quite hostile to my information. It forces you to back your shit up with evidence, which makes you learn valuable info very quickly. If everyone agrees, it's kind of like jerking each other off, don't you think?

I have seen treatment of people with legitimate views on this board that makes me cringe. Taking it further is something I do not relate to at all.

[ashyr]

don't be tiresome, it seems to me that your mind is more than a little closed to learning for you to be so certain about assumptions

heh i was thinkin somethin similar


personally i think this.

this site has gathered too many people to fast. which is great.
but in saying that, there is a increased POST count. alot of bollocks.

i find so much stuff on the forums just people posting reply's without reading what other users have posted because; like me i think most of it is bollocks so i skip most of the crap and scroll to puttin my say in. now in acknoledging this im doing the exact same thing it is that is the problem.

tis about to change.

when saying "DAVID ICKE" enthusiast. thats a bit daft.

more like "ON A QUEST FOR KNOWLEDGE" is more like it
but it needs to be filtered someway. and with saying that. i do not agree it should be MODERATED in any sense. its kinda dumb having freedom of speach but yet policing it at the same time, it needs to be maintained by its users. there for maybe pushing the word out to people to take time to reply,read,think and only post if you need to. theres no point in posting a STATEMENT disagreeing with someones viewpoint and then when they reply you just reply back with the same ARGUEMENTS of your statement. 4 wasted posts. 4 i would skip. anyway thats my 2 c i hope you can see what i mean wheni say WE police it. take some control PEOPLE. this isnt a BRAIN CONDITIONING CENTER. as adjacent to your AIR CONDITIONER.

[curtsibling]

Debates about 'the big questions' happen on most forums where politics are
mentioned. It is human nature (conditioned or not) to discuss things. If we
all expected to put intellectual talk aside, and merely use the poisonous PC
mindset when people reach a loggerhead, then we would be betraying what
the essence of this site is about...

Do you really think Mr Icke likes political correctness?

[father ted]

Agree with you 100% graflock, couldn't have put it better myself. Fuck democracy, why should there be any excuses for idiots? Once they're banned that's it, no need to put up with them anymore, how easy is that?

Icke himself explained that being a skeptic means you don't question. It's not alright to be a skeptic and debating from that mindset is easily seen as they have no grasp of the subject. Instead, stupid questions are asked, important and interesting posts get bumped of and time is wasted.

Although, a lot of people take the bait to trolls and stupid questions, which is the other main problem. If we could stop answering to these thing that would help as well, but that still leaves the problem of threads being sabotaged and bumped out ect.

[i_am]

Debates about 'the big questions' happen on most forums where politics are
mentioned. It is human nature (conditioned or not) to discuss things. If we
all expected to put intellectual talk aside, and merely use the poisonous PC
mindset when people reach a loggerhead, then we would be betraying what
the essence of this site is about...

Do you really think Mr Icke likes political correctness?


Hi curtsibling

Welcome :p

I don't think anyone is too concerned with pc and we don't all need to agree. How boring!

Debate the subject all you like but when it gets personal and decends into personal abuse it goes outside the guidelines. The thread is then removed to the rant room.

[albie]

The problem lies with the rubbish conspiracy theorists. The ones who post rubbish evidence.

I got so sick of reading such stuff that it put me off beliveing in conspiracy.

Debate is vital.

Having just believers in a room talking is utterly ridiculous. who here is so arrogant that they completely believe everything they read about so called conspiracies?

They're the ones you need to watch out for.

[albie]

Agree with you 100% graflock, couldn't have put it better myself. Fuck democracy, why should there be any excuses for idiots? Once they're banned that's it, no need to put up with them anymore, how easy is that?

Icke himself explained that being a skeptic means you don't question. It's not alright to be a skeptic and debating from that mindset is easily seen as they have no grasp of the subject. Instead, stupid questions are asked, important and interesting posts get bumped of and time is wasted.

Although, a lot of people take the bait to trolls and stupid questions, which is the other main problem. If we could stop answering to these thing that would help as well, but that still leaves the problem of threads being sabotaged and bumped out ect.


Yes, you are right. But how FAR do you question?

Do you believe the first alternative view that comes along?

Seems to me that such sites as these are full of such people.

You don't question enough.

Most don't even check evidence. They don't even think about checking it.

How reliable is that?

[lumukanda]

never stop questioning, never stop debating, without that, it's not long before you're out of touch.

[holly_ocean]

herebynightfall
something similar happens to me in general not just on this forum
i worry that what i say will get picked apart rather than someone trying to understand what i'm saying
it's like there isn't the language for what i want to say
i'm wriitng a book at the moment about food and conscousness and it's a nightmare for that reason lol

[father ted]

Yes, you are right. But how FAR do you question?

Do you believe the first alternative view that comes along?

Seems to me that such sites as these are full of such people.

You don't question enough.

Most don't even check evidence. They don't even think about checking it.

How reliable is that?

Most people here including myself question, but we question the material, not the personality or the individual. I couldn't give a fuck what Icke had for breakfast that made him a shapeshifting reptilian.

Clearly you and others' do not read the serious posts, there are a lot of conflicting material within the research community that myself and I have questioned, which we have discussed in an orderly manner, as opposed to those that agrue about things which they have not even looked/researched into and couldn't care less.

Most skeptics here question Icke, fat lot of good that does. Question his material, but not before looking at his research first, so that you know what you're questioning.

KNOW WHAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING

[phoebe]

My 2 pennies worth:
This IS the David Icke forum.
David Icke discusses everything in his work.
Literally...
the infinite.
Infinite means everything.
It also means nothing.
This perfectly describes what is discussed here.
Something and nothing.
Which is, I think The Perfect Shape for a David Icke Forum.
:)

[graflok]

The forum is rapidly turning into a "debunk David Icke" site. The infestation
grows larger almost every day. The opposition need only point to David's own
site to further discredit his work.

How does this help what David is trying to do? Does David engage in debates
with debunkers? Does the world need more lies?

You might as well just sell the forum to Fox News right now and get it over with.
After all, we wouldn't want to be unfair to opposing views, would we? That
would be undemocratic. And, we all know what democracy has done for us all.

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[mk72]

My forum has advocates of both sides in many subjects and we all get along most of the time. I think the problem is here if someone shows an alternative point of view to mostly they are abused called names and hunted down like a witch. If a subject annoys a person that much they should just avoid it.

Tell me on you forum how many people has attacked you personally? How many people has told you as a web administrator that you are a disinformant, reptilian and that you are a god to people who support your work? There is a diffirence between questioning somebody's motives and questioning what he says. You are only abused on this forum if you ask ridiculous rhetorical questions. It's very simple if you think he is a disinfromant ect. don't subscribe to the forum. I think next time someone starts a thread with "is David doing what he should be doing", "Why does he have a basement if he is supposedly so poor", "Is David a reptilian", it should be met with deafening silence and ignored - anybody intrested in joining me on this?

[supertzar]

The guy doesn't shit gold, Graflok. Do you accept everything he says without question? Even David Icke doesn't do that.

What if I claimed that the Grey in the ancient Egyptian work of art found in one of his books is really a flowerpot? Would you have a problem with that? Even if I showed convincing evidence? Why???

[baron von lotsov]

My conclusion is this forum has its head up its arse most of the time. I have tried to put down some stuff that is not standard conspiracy theory to see if any of you can think for yourselves. Unfortunately the mods have now moved it and the other thread got zero replies. It really is quite pathetic and much liker a cult. My conclusion is that you just don't have the thinking capacity most of you. You are so used to getting your information downloaded to your brain via the TV and Internet that to actually solve a problem is beyond most of you. This is very sad and you will get ripped time and time again with this unthinking habit. If my posts don't press the right buttons you simply ignore it. Fucking Robots.

[supertzar]

Spare us the condescension for a minute?

[john white]

My conclusion is this forum has its head up its arse most of the time. I have tried to put down some stuff that is not standard conspiracy theory to see if any of you can think for yourselves. Unfortunately the mods have now moved it and the other thread got zero replies. It really is quite pathetic and much liker a cult. My conclusion is that you just don't have the thinking capacity most of you. You are so used to getting your information downloaded to your brain via the TV and Internet that to actually solve a problem is beyond most of you. This is very sad and you will get ripped time and time again with this unthinking habit. If my posts don't press the right buttons you simply ignore it. Fucking Robots.

LOL! Says the man famed across the net for ignoring anything he can't handle!

[david ickes bike]

Tell me on you forum how many people has attacked you personally? How many people has told you as a web administrator that you are a disinformant, reptilian and that you are a god to people who support your work? There is a diffirence between questioning somebody's motives and questioning what he says. You are only abused on this forum if you ask ridiculous rhetorical questions. It's very simple if you think he is a disinfromant ect. don't subscribe to the forum. I think next time someone starts a thread with "is David doing what he should be doing", "Why does he have a basement if he is supposedly so poor", "Is David a reptilian", it should be met with deafening silence and ignored - anybody intrested in joining me on this?

From what Ive seen here you dont have to attack anyone to get attacked just show an alternative point of view on a subject. Maybe thats the problem maybe to many people on here think questioning Icke is attacking him.

[david ickes bike]

Yes David Yes David Yes David Yes David Yes David Yes David Yes David

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[baron von lotsov]

It's just the incredible thickness I am getting on here. I don't get it on other forums, except for the old Icke forum and Illusions. I don't tolerate fools and trolls. This conspiracy stuff is being steered by the elite and you simply cannot understand. John White might as well be paid by them he is such a useful idiot, agreeing with every bit of disinfo and praising it and yet everything I put forward he trolls it. So come to your own conclusions, I don't trust him further than I can spit.

I suppose you think you learn stuff with the latest Tsarion/Maxwell brainwashing but you don't. None of you who praise this kind of brainwashing can understand even the most basic of things. You are cult fodder, you have been mislead by Icke into this Illusion shit and now you think you are doing something about the NWO, but in actual fact you are helping it. John especially so. Now if you can't see that then I have no time for answering your petty arguments and time wasting shit. You don't want to learn; you think I'm some kind of disinfo person. Oh well, I give up. Go and consult your guru and he will tell you how you will ascend in 2012. Watch the video, buy the tea-shirt, just swallow that Kool Aid and then you will be enlightened!

[david ickes bike]

And dont forget to subscribe to the news letter and make a donation to the fund:D

[supertzar]

It's just the incredible thickness I am getting on here. I don't get it on other forums, except for the old Icke forum and Illusions. I don't tolerate fools and trolls. This conspiracy stuff is being steered by the elite and you simply cannot understand. John White might as well be paid by them he is such a useful idiot, agreeing with every bit of disinfo and praising it and yet everything I put forward he trolls it. So come to your own conclusions, I don't trust him further than I can spit.

I suppose you think you learn stuff with the latest Tsarion/Maxwell brainwashing but you don't. None of you who praise this kind of brainwashing can understand even the most basic of things. You are cult fodder, you have been mislead by Icke into this Illusion shit and now you think you are doing something about the NWO, but in actual fact you are helping it. John especially so. Now if you can't see that then I have no time for answering your petty arguments and time wasting shit. You don't want to learn; you think I'm some kind of disinfo person. Oh well, I give up. Go and consult your guru and he will tell you how you will ascend in 2012. Watch the video, buy the tea-shirt, just swallow that Kool Aid and then you will be enlightened!

Generalise much?

[john white]

you think I'm some kind of disinfo person

LOL, no I don't just a bit of a wally: but you are certainly fearful of me, which is ironic isn't it when I'm more in tune with the vibrational consciousness of both this site and Ickes work

All this criticising others you do is just to distract yourself from accepting that your current paradigm isnt giving you any answers except "conform to the box of correctness"

I mean, your here to inform us and set us straight but then you can't be bothered talking to us, which you articulate by telling us that repeatedly?

(and then convincing yourself I'm the bogeyman!)

Its comedy gold this, it couldn't be made up!

[john white]

I don't get it on other forums, except for the old Icke forum and Illusions

Shows how far ahead of the pack these forums are: nice one everybody!

[mk72]

And dont forget to subscribe to the news letter and make a donation to the fund:D

This was the question;
Tell me on your forum how many people has attacked you personally? How many people has told you as a web administrator that you are a disinformant, reptilian and that you are a god to people who support your work?

Since you did not answer my question I must assume that the answer is no so in that case you don't understand how what you say is not disagreement: you are not making valid points that challenge our understanding of what is going on in the world, all you are doing is disagreeing with one person (Icke's) views. That is hardly looking at both sides and so far you have given us no evidence why he is wrong and you are right. So until you do that you are talking out of the wrong hole.:)

[whitelightrabbit]

If I go to, say, a stamp collecting forum and begin to leave posts saying
that stamp collectors are losers or collecting stamps is stupid, etc. I
don't think I would last very long on that forum.

The same would be true of many, many other forums that are comprised
of like-minded enthusiasts of a certain subject or activity.

Why? Because it just wouldn't make sense for an anti-stamp collector (or
whatever) to be allowed to continue to disrupt a peaceful forum. If more
such individuals were allowed in, many members would go elsewhere and the
forum would degrade or die.

I think on most such forums a person like that would be removed and no
one would question it even though it would be "undemocratic" to do so.

But, for some reason, on a forum like this it is no longer considered a
forum for enthusiasts to enjoy each others' views. No. It must be
a debating forum. A place to argue about whether David Icke is
right or wrong or if he is really a freemason or a reptilian and we're all
crazy, etc., etc. We must be "democratic" and allow anyone into the forum.
We mustn't exclude anyone.

God, it's really getting old, man. I think that attitude is going to put this
forum right down the drain in short order.

Aren't there already a number of forums where "paranormal" ideas are debated?
Isn't anyone free to create such a forum, even an anti-David Icke forum if
they wish?

Is it wrong to have a peaceful forum of like-minded individuals? I'm not
saying everyone has to agree. I'm sure not all stamp collectors agree
on everything, but they do at least agree that they enjoy stamp collecting and
see it as a positive thing.

We are inundated day in and day out by the NWO mindset. It is on every
channel, it is in every newspaper, it is even in the water we drink and
the air we breathe. Do we have to endure it here too? Isn't this David
Icke's own forum? Must it be a "debate" forum filled with an increasing
number of hostile critics?

Personally, I would like to see this as a David Icke enthusiast forum.
I'd like to see some "undemocratic" filtering out of members who are not
at least Icke fans or friendly toward the material in the same way that
most any forum would be set up that caters to a special interest.

And, I think if this doesn't happen, the forum is going to turn into one
big "David Icke shooting match & rant room" very soon.

are you kidding? this forum is already modded to heavily imo. apologies if this has already been said, i didn't feel like reading through six pages to check.

[thedame]

The forum is rapidly turning into a "debunk David Icke" site. The infestation
grows larger almost every day. The opposition need only point to David's own
site to further discredit his work.

How does this help what David is trying to do? Does David engage in debates
with debunkers? Does the world need more lies?

You might as well just sell the forum to Fox News right now and get it over with.
After all, we wouldn't want to be unfair to opposing views, would we? That
would be undemocratic. And, we all know what democracy has done for us all.

http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/20848/2003355006501713838_rs.jpg

That's pretty silly. We also know what the lack of democracy does for us. What is the alternative to a lightly moderated forum? Would you like to see the Icke Police stamping down the minute someone says 'Icke gets it wrong with the Diana Murder' (for example). Would anti-Ickeness be graded on some sort of scale? What constitutes a 'foul' in the new icke order forum that you're proposing? You do realise that the same reasoning you are applying to this 'pro-icke' forum is the same idea as creating, say, a country (let's call it ickiopia) where only ickians are allowed in. Thus, whenever an 'undesirable' is found out they are simply thrown out or exterminated. Anyone who is different is not allowed into ickiopia. I'm not being 'PC' here I am just reducing your logic to the bare bones. Have you read 'The man in the High castle' by Philip K Dick? Democracy as an ideology is not unsound - it is the way it is corrupted by the illuminati

And what about the NWO and illuminati models? Would the pro-david-only forum be controlled by some head ickites who, somewhat like a secret ruling society, search for any anti-establishment propaganda and then exile-or-brainwash the anti-ickes?

To be honest I think this new ickites-only forum you're proposing is pretty scary. I think it would either turn into the sketch I propose above or just a completely dead, sanitised 'utopia.' Would you seriously be interested in coming to a forum and saying 'icke is right here' and 'how right he is when he says...' and on and on. I don't think it would turn into a brilliant place where everyone would enlighten eachother because everyone would be respectful enough and intelligent enough. Like has been mentioned earlier, you will simply get intelligent ickites and dumb ickites and they would all be subject to the same 'mob rules' pack mentality which governs all large groups of people. Sorry if this sounds pessimistic.

I also think it's human nature to debate. Have you ever hung out with a group of friends who are all agreeing and saying the same thing? I doubt it. When people disagree is when it gets interesting.

To be honest I think graflok and those who support the idea are simply getting annoyed at people who either argue with them legitimately or who are simply trolls. Unfortunately, trolls are a fact of forums. They are banned whenever they commit sufficient offence to justify it. As to people who simply which to debate david's ideas, I don't think they should be penalised simply for having a different view point. Contrary to what some people believe about us moderators we are here to help.

Looks like my liberal bone got tickled.

[fullfathomfive]

Icke himself explained that being a skeptic means you don't question. It's not alright to be a skeptic and debating from that mindset is easily seen as they have no grasp of the subject.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this. Please explain thank you.

[john white]

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this. Please explain thank you.

In a recent radio interview, Icke gave his opinion that skeptics don't genuinely question both versions and then go with the evidence, but just look for any miniscule excuse to not have to consider the information as a whole: and that effectively, the sceptic mindset is one of defending the prior assumptions ("I'm clever, and therefore of more value than other poeple, and the State (Father Archtype) would not Lie to me") to support the ego self and protect against cognative dissonance: ergo, that the sceptic is a form of reality denier with a psychological need to support the programmed Robot false self

[supertzar]

He is speaking of self-styled skeptics who are really not skeptical, but prejudiced. Real skepticism is unbiased questioning.

[tinmenace]

Real skepticism is unbiased questioning.

Critical thinking.

[fullfathomfive]

In a recent radio interview, Icke gave his opinion that skeptics don't genuinely question both versions and then go with the evidence, but just look for any miniscule excuse to not have to consider the information as a whole: and that effectively, the sceptic mindset is one of defending the prior assumptions ("I'm clever, and therefore of more value than other poeple, and the State (Father Archtype) would not Lie to me") to support the ego self and protect against cognative dissonance: ergo, that the sceptic is a form of reality denier with a psychological need to support the programmed Robot false self
Good grief. I'd better not be skeptical anymore. Alistair Campbell could learn a thing or two from Icke.

[john white]

Good grief. I'd better not be skeptical anymore. Alistair Campbell could learn a thing or two from Icke.

A sceptic is someone who needs extraordinary convincing before believing anything

This is in fact the aloof control drama, and is therefore the product of an imbalance in the persons psyche

A healthy minded person would just review the evidence and make their mind up about it objectively: that is true critical thinking

However, the university system in particular has perverted this into scepticism, which is in fact a wondrous example of people who think they are clever compounding their stupidity, because they lack the capacity for wisdom that tells a healthy minded person when they know what is true

Regrettably the sceptical state of mind is a labyrinthine mind prison, and it’s usually hard to communicate with minds enmeshed within.

Remember: its of no value to prejudge with doubt, but it is to intelligently question

[supertzar]

Why make up your mind when there is bound to be a better explanation out there? You are robbing yourself of the chance to become infinitely knowledgeable.

[supertzar]

To me, this is one of the biggest problems facing humanity and one of the easiest to fix; the "belief" paradigm. Everyone wants to take a position and defend it when, in all likelyhood, they have an imperfect understanding at best. It's very...reptilian. Ego-based dominance games.

How about real open-mindedness for a change? Where you think to yourself "This is what seems to be true based on what I know, but it could be another way." It doesn't mean you have to let go of your intuition. You might even find it enhanced.

[fullfathomfive]

A sceptic is someone who needs extraordinary convincing before believing anything

This is in fact the aloof control drama, and is therefore the product of an imbalance in the persons psyche

A healthy minded person would just review the evidence and make their mind up about it objectively: that is true critical thinking

However, the university system in particular has perverted this into scepticism, which is in fact a wondrous example of people who think they are clever compounding their stupidity, because they lack the capacity for wisdom that tells a healthy minded person when they know what is true

Regrettably the sceptical state of mind is a labyrinthine mind prison, and it’s usually hard to communicate with minds enmeshed within.

Remember: its of no value to prejudge with doubt, but it is to intelligently question

I don't know where to begin. However, perhaps sceptic is the wrong word. Don't want to be pedantic.

"This is in fact the aloof control drama, and is therefore the product of an imbalance in the persons psyche" - tosh. You question me therefore you're imbalanced, not 'healthy minded', stupid, imprisoned and prejudiced to boot. On top of it all - lacking in intelligence. Hardly 'true critical thinking'.

'labyrinthine mind prison' - if I wanted to be pendantic, this could apply to any way of thinking.

[supertzar]

My understanding of skepticism is that a skeptic never believes anything. There is always doubt. This is good because there is always room for a better understanding.

[father ted]

Thanks jonh white, couldn't have put it better myself.

It is best to be un-baised about what you're questioning, this is not what skeptics do, they are baised or have made up they're mind before they started questioning.

The other point that I've mentioned is most people don't know or haven't looked at the subject of what they're questioning, whether they're facts, assumptions, misinformation... ect. There have been many sensible debates on this forum, there has been sensible questions, there are alternative views from others including whatever views/theories I myself hold, which has been questioned, debated. It's the brainless idiot questions that fuck shit up, whether it's coming from people who like most of Icke's work or not.

[fullfathomfive]

Thanks jonh white, couldn't have put it better myself.

It is best to be un-baised about what you're questioning, this is not what skeptics do, they are baised or have made up they're mind before they started questioning.

The other point that I've mentioned is most people don't know or haven't looked at the subject of what they're questioning, whether they're facts, assumptions, misinformation... ect. There have been many sensible debates on this forum, there has been sensible questions, there are alternative views from others including whatever views/theories I myself hold, which has been questioned, debated. It's the brainless idiot questions that fuck shit up, whether it's coming from people who like most of Icke's work or not.

I'm sure John couldn't have put it better himself either.

Anyway I'm far too sensible to talk to a brickwall, though I'd probably get a more sensible answer.

Yeah, fuck democracy. Vive la revolution.

[john white]

LOL Don't take it personally, its only a perspective!

No architype applies to all situations, but instead only defines the background pattern of situations where it is percieved to apply

[lumukanda]

on the original topic of this thread, i think people can see this place as one or two things, either it should be a place where we should be able to discuss icke related subjects in peace, without interference, but this takes more modding, or we can have a place with less modding but where our beliefs are challenged constantly, not always a bad thing, of course this is just how it is in the real real world, in a perfect world, people would have respect for each other and we could have open, constructive debates without people needing to act like assholes, but we must be very very careful of stifling debate, we at all times have the choice not to read someone's posts, to ignore them, my only problem is with people who are really just here to cause division, to antagonize people, to fuck around without contributing anything at all.

[f3zza]

Wow after reading this thread i can't believe that so many who believe that infinite love is the only truth cannot practice as they preach.

I thought this was supposed to be a forum (FORUM,an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.)

If you do not agree with a poster or their motives then it is easy to ignore them, well it is if you do not let your ego over rule your intelligence. Or if armed with the facts it is easier to debunk them if you choose to do so.

I know this is a David Icke forum and being so has so many more tangents than a Stamp enthusiasts forum or a forum for Mountain bikers etc, so i don't think that arguement holds any water really.

I think due to the subject matter here i think people need to realise, as i am sure David does himself. That this is so much bigger than David Icke.

I respect and admire those who openly support Icke as they open themselves up to the ridicule that Icke as endured himself for many years. I know i have experienced it first hand just for quoting him, but a forum without freedom of debate is no forum at all.

[lifeofbrian]

The beauty of individualism is diversity. Much like the planet. We have a multitude of trees, plants, animal life.

But people are supposed to be "the same"? Conform, adapt, give in to the loudest voice or most pressure?

As an atheist - not god-worshipping - I treasure religious freedom. Why? We are all who we are. From all over the place. Conditioned. And we are better off if we are willing to learn - not meaning 'succumb' or 'fold' - from each other.

'Understanding' does not equate 'condoning' or 'agreeing with' - 'understanding' equates 'knowing'.

The more we know about various angles issues are presented from the less threatened we are when we express our own temporary or cemented view.

Life is a learning experience - not a general rehearsal.

Allow others what you want for yourself. Easy.

[winniewillcocks]

I say take the info and go your own way, lead your self!!!

We can work together, but must be lead by no-one!

One day there will be myth about "David Icke" and we will be a part of it.

:)

[lifeofbrian]

I say take the info and go your own way, lead your self!!!

We can work together, but must be lead by no-one!

One day there will be myth about "David Icke" and we will be a part of it.

:)

Ha.

You know. When I hear "David Icke" what comes to mind is probably his most brilliant statement:

-Why care what other people think of you? Just say it. Why care what your family and neighbours will think of you? Just say it. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it. They are entitled to their. Just say it. Just say it.

Now that is Freedom.

[winniewillcocks]

Ha.

You know. When I hear "David Icke" what comes to mind is probably his most brilliant statement:



Now that is Freedom.

Oh wish I thought of that!!!! :D

[baron von lotsov]

Critical thinking.

That will be the day.

You New Ager fake conspiracy researchers are definitely critical but the thinking part has been substituted for what makes you feed good, alpha state and that sort of shit. Don't you people understand that the New Age destroys one's thinking abilities? Well you would have never believed it if you had so the answer is sadly, no you don't.

[lifeofbrian]

That will be the day.

You New Ager fake conspiracy researchers are definitely critical but the thinking part has been substituted for what makes you feed good, alpha state and that sort of shit. Don't you people understand that the New Age destroys one's thinking abilities? Well you would have never believed it if you had so the answer is sadly, no you don't.

Speaking for other people much?

Schizo are you?

Speak for yourself. Goes like this:

I am
I think
I suggest
I reckon
I conclude

Provocations are fine when we try to get other people to slip up Baron. You suck at it though.

Too transparent.

[baron von lotsov]

Speaking for other people much?

Schizo are you?

Speak for yourself. Goes like this:

I am
I think
I suggest
I reckon
I conclude

Provocations are fine when we try to get other people to slip up Baron. You suck at it though.

Too transparent.

All you New Agers have slipped up in the most profound way possible. You have joined an elite sponsored group that you thought you were fighting. How much more could you possibly slip up than that?

Don't bother answering that though because I know your minds are so screwed that it won't make any difference what you say or I say. You just seek that buzz of endorphins that you get as a result of being brainwashed. That's how you judge the 'truth' of something and that is why it is called 'your truth' because it is a neurological condition in your head, not a logical statement.

[tinmenace]

That will be the day.

You New Ager fake conspiracy researchers are definitely critical but the thinking part has been substituted for what makes you feed good, alpha state and that sort of shit. Don't you people understand that the New Age destroys one's thinking abilities? Well you would have never believed it if you had so the answer is sadly, no you don't.

I hope you're having a beautiful day :) I love you.

[mk72]

Wow after reading this thread i can't believe that so many who believe that infinite love is the only truth cannot practice as they preach.

I thought this was supposed to be a forum (FORUM,an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.)

If you do not agree with a poster or their motives then it is easy to ignore them, well it is if you do not let your ego over rule your intelligence. Or if armed with the facts it is easier to debunk them if you choose to do so.

I know this is a David Icke forum and being so has so many more tangents than a Stamp enthusiasts forum or a forum for Mountain bikers etc, so i don't think that arguement holds any water really.

I think due to the subject matter here i think people need to realise, as i am sure David does himself. That this is so much bigger than David Icke.

I respect and admire those who openly support Icke as they open themselves up to the ridicule that Icke as endured himself for many years. I know i have experienced it first hand just for quoting him, but a forum without freedom of debate is no forum at all.


f3zz I think it might seem like that but I think that in the last month there has been a lot of threads that started attacking David for his personal life and I think most people are more sensitive than usual, if somebody would debate his theories with valid point there is much to learn but look at these threads and decide if you can truly find any insight from it – if somebody is not agreeing with him then give valid points, but they can’t and that is why they then attack him personally. It almost seems like a deliberate stirring. Talk about killing the messenger.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3221&highlight=David+Icke
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6125&highlight=DAVID+ICKE
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2622&highlight=DAVID+ICKE
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5948&highlight=DAVID+ICKE
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6152&highlight=DAVID+ICKE – look at this guy he gives us no back round on this statement. Stirring?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5879&highlight=DAVID+ICKE
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5829&highlight=DAVID+ICKE
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5163&highlight=DAVID+ICKE

[albie]

Most people here including myself question, but we question the material, not the personality or the individual. I couldn't give a fuck what Icke had for breakfast that made him a shapeshifting reptilian.

Clearly you and others' do not read the serious posts, there are a lot of conflicting material within the research community that myself and I have questioned, which we have discussed in an orderly manner, as opposed to those that agrue about things which they have not even looked/researched into and couldn't care less.

Most skeptics here question Icke, fat lot of good that does. Question his material, but not before looking at his research first, so that you know what you're questioning.

KNOW WHAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING


I'll believe it when I see it.

Guide me to a thread where you question and question.

And make it a good one.

[father ted]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Guide me to a thread where you question and question.

And make it a good one.

That's smart:rolleyes:
I, graflok and anyone else don't have to prove to you and anyone else shit. The forum is proof itself, you do the work. Swallow you're pride.

[albie]

HAH! that tells me all I need to know.

You are basically admitting you can't show me a thread of you questioning the alternative view.

You don't check you info.

Someone tells you about the protocols of the elders of zion and you don't even think to see if it was a hoax designed to damage the Bolsheviks.

You've told me plenty with your post.

Don't take this site seriously.

[father ted]

HAH! that tells me all I need to know.

You are basically admitting you can't show me a thread of you questioning the alternative view.

You don't check you info.

Someone tells you about the protocols of the elders of zion and you don't even think to see if it was a hoax designed to damage the Bolsheviks.

You've told me plenty with your post.

Don't take this site seriously.

That coming from one of the biggest skeptics on this site!

I took the bait, so I'll end it here, it just shows, you can't argue against a skeptic.

[albie]

And? How is that relevant?

YOU shouldn't pimp yourself up and fail to prove it.

[tinmenace]

New TROLL species discovered....Dick-TROLLS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8223)