killer chemtrails

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psdg3OAw_a8

CONTRAILS vs CHEMTRAILS
It is important to distinguish between contrails and chemtrails. Contrails are streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by jet airplanes at high altitudes. Contrails can exist in two forms: water droplet and ice crystal. Contrails typically become visible about a wingspans distance behind an aircraft flying at high altitude. The trail dissipates quite quickly, usually within a minute or so. Chemtrails, on the other hand, are visible directly behind an aircraft, with little or no gap between the aircraft and the start of the trail. Chemtrails are said to vary from contrails in their length of persistence. Chemtrails do not dissipate quickly; they tend to form into mushy clouds which can block sunlight.
Some people are reporting what they describe to be unusual activity in the sky, including jets leaving trails at low altitudes, spray lines creating X's, S's and parallel lines, lines that slowly spread to create a canopy of haze, and reports of unusual smells, tastes, and even illness related to the trails.
Also, a reddish-brown gel, dropped from low-flying aircraft, has been observed by people in the past and was even documented on Unsolved Mysteries. Samples of this substance have been alledgedly analyzed by Margareta-Erminia Cassani and found to be teaming with biological organisms. Other tests have shown that chemtrails contain more than 3 times the legal level of the toxic substance, barium. Chemtrails may also be one of the primary contributory factors in the collapse of honey bee colonies worldwide. Albert Einstein clearly knew the importance of the honey bee when he said: "If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live."
There are currently three main hypothesis for the purpose of chemical spraying in the skies: weather modification, population control, and testing of biological agents on the general poplace.

Even if we assume that these trails have nothing to do with eugenics or weather modification, we cannot ignore the fact that our skies are being heavily polluted with aviation fuel emissions that contribute towards a host of different health problems. As far as Im aware, jet engines run on kerosene (paraffin). Up until the 1990s, most petrol-driven road vehicles used leaded petrol, which was not only harmful to the environment, but caused asthma as well as lowering of the IQ. The tetra-ethyl (lead) found in aviation fuel and its combustion products are potent neurotoxins that have been shown in scientific research to interfere with brain development in children. Leaded petrol has now been banned for use in motor vehicles. But for some reason, this law doesnt seem to apply to aircraft.

This 5-minute video serves only as an introduction to the phenomenon of chemtrails. I encourage you to research this subject in more detail to gain a fuller picture of what chemtrails contain, their impact on the environment, and the history of aerial spraying that has taken place in many countries. Here are some good places to start your research

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/7/investigate-persistent-contrails-aka-chemtrails

Sign it for you healths sake and that of your family and friends.

[marpat]

So does anybody know any person who has died from ingesting barium?

[lightgiver]

So does anybody know any person who has died from ingesting barium?

Just waiting eh.actually plenty are suffering and dying,and I for one am not being drawn into one of your chemtrail denying arguments,you have not even watched the vid marpat,now do not get me angry.

What military unit are you in again?

[marpat]

Just waiting eh.actually plenty are suffering and dying,and I for one am not being drawn into one of your chemtrail denying arguments,you have not even watched the vid marpat,now do not get me angry.

What military unit are you in again?

Why are you angry? I thought we were going to be civil.

I am bored with people offering videos as proof. I could fake a video and it would be on here very quickly but what does that prove?

It is about time people actually managed to produce some evidence of their claims. If all this barium is being sprayed that it would be very simple to collect some. What if I were to test for such particles and such a test proved negative, would you believe it or would you just continue to believe your videos?

[oiram]

Chemtrails & 'Death By Barium'So does anybody know any person who has died from ingesting barium?


12-9-2

Note - American aerosol spraying researcher Clifford Carnicom, in May of 2002, announced he had discovered an extraordinarily high level of deadly barium now exists in our air and is, in his considered opinion, directly related to the aerosol-chemtrail spraying operations which have been extant over America and much of the planet for nearly four years now.

To read his research and findings, go to http://carnicom.com/contrails.htm and take the link 'Electrolysis And Barium' located near the top of the main page. Barium is, without question, on a par with arsenic as a deadly toxin.

The following article articulates the dimensions of the health threat posed to all of us by barium and most especially so since it has been determined to now exist in high levels in the air we breath. -JR

Death By Barium

By Dr. Anil Aggrawal
Professor of Forensic Medicine
Maulana Azad Medical College
New Delhi, INDIA
From The Poison Sleuths Journal
12-9-2

Full http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/report.gifhttp://www.rense.com/general32/barium.htm

Barium Side Effects reported to FDA

Barium Side Effects Report #5483878-2
Consumer or non-health professional from UNITED STATES reported BARIUM problem on Oct 10, 2007. Female patient, 42 years of age, weighting 140.0 lb, was diagnosed with computerised tomogram and was treated with BARIUM. After drug was administered, patient experienced the following problems/side effects: agitation, confusional state, dizziness, dyspnoea, metal poisoning, rash, skin discolouration, tinnitus. BARIUM dosage: unknown. Patient was hospitalized. Patient recovered.

http://www.patientsville.com/medication/barium_side_effects.htm

[marpat]

If barium is as deadly as arsenic and this is being sprayed into the air then why are people not dropping all over the place.

Also, can you offer an explanation as to why the political elite and royalty are not dying from it as they breathe the same air.

Do you wear a respirator to protect yourself?

Love the source, an Indian professor. They keep phoning me up asking if I want a mobile phone contract.

[oiram]

If barium is as deadly as arsenic and this is being sprayed into the air then why are people not dropping all over the place.

Also, can you offer an explanation as to why the political elite and royalty are not dying from it as they breathe the same air.

Do you wear a respirator to protect yourself?

Love the source, an Indian professor. They keep phoning me up asking if I want a mobile phone contract.
So I presume it's OK with you that they spray some shit onto the people without telling them about it what it is for.

Strange that you react like this being this long on this forum!

I believe by know we all can agree that the Governments are not there to protect us.
Did you not hear about Obamas statement on weather control? The not just starting this shit is going on for a long time.

[marpat]

If you believe a few questionable vids are evidence then that is your lookout. I am not going to be scared into believing that this stuff is going on and that is why I ask questions. At the end of the day I have a family so it would be in my best interest to deal with such a problem if it actually existed and I would be far more pro-active than most in this forum. I certainly would not be sitting on my arse watching vids if I knew it was a real threat.

Can you offer an explanation why the ruling classes are not dying because of suppose spraying?

[oiram]

If you believe a few questionable vids are evidence then that is your lookout. I am not going to be scared into believing that this stuff is going on and that is why I ask questions. At the end of the day I have a family so it would be in my best interest to deal with such a problem if it actually existed and I would be far more pro-active than most in this forum. I certainly would not be sitting on my arse watching vids if I knew it was a real threat.

Can you offer an explanation why the ruling classes are not dying because of suppose spraying?
Let's just say people don't die but many are getting sick from it in different ways!
This would mean they are making trillions on medical cost.

The Elite which would know about this definitely do not spray over there own private property's.

Also it appears spraying is concentrated over highly populated areas like City's.



AP Newsbreak: Obama looks at climate engineering
By SETH BORENSTEIN – Apr 8, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) — The president's new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.

John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

"It's got to be looked at," he said. "We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hm1kMpA2nQALOfQL8Y8PxxTHNVtgD97ECHLG1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/4014

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[marpat]

Let's just say people don't die but many are getting sick from it in different ways!
This would mean they are making trillions on medical cost.

The Elite which would know about this definitely do not spray over there own property.



Yet there are people in the forum posting many pic of supposed spraying over london. If you sprayed stuff high in the atmosphere you would have little control over the area it would contaminate and it would also be very widely dispersed, which is why crop dusters spray at low level to make the run accurate.

How do you know that people are getting sick from that? what about the increased use of radio transmissions, microwave antennae all over the place, huge concentrations of vehicles fumes, food additives, ad infinitum. How can you possibly claim that spraying is a real problem with all of these other factors around. Can you actually isolate it and identify it?

[oiram]

Chemtrails & Political Moths

In some of the most politically active areas in the U.S. and the seat of Liberty For Life, the government has resorted to low level direct intensive spraying of the public. Refusing to disclose 57% of the ingredients they were spraying the public with, the authorities claimed that the spraying was necessary to combat 'apple moth' infestations. The company carrying out the spraying also specializes in areal dispersing of insects such as the apple moth.

Ignoring court cases filed against them, the government simply went ahead and sprayed the public in communities such as Santa Cruz and Monterey. Strangely, on the night of the spraying in Santa Cruz, which is a typical example of our Police State in which you will come across ten or so cops every two miles you drive across town, emptied out of cops the night they sprayed the public. The government told the public that they were merely spraying 'moth sex scents' which would not harm humans. However, what were the cops scared of? In Monterey County, doctors monitoring the situation indicated as much as 75 percent of the public were sick after the low level areal 'apple moth' spraying. Most people living in the area also reported that they found their memory was being directly affected that they had become unusually forgetful (Probably caused by a heavy metal such as Beryllium in the 'apple moth' spray). See Political Moths for more information. & California Alliance to Stop the Spray http://www.cassonline.org

The only question now is whether one flees from these areas or one shoots down the projects poisoning the public. In all sanity, where on the earth does the government have any right to spray the public with undisclosed chemicals, secretly or out in the open? Surely this is war.

Chemtrails are exceptionally serious in-your-face attempt to exterminate mass population groups, including YOU. You can see them in the sky, clearly they are not vapor trails. More than enough evidence demands your action - get active. Just as Chemtrails are 'in disguise' so too are most elements in the government. If you are a Judge, Police officer/Sheriff or Prosecutor or you work for the government in some fission realize that you have been recruited to destroy the USA. For more info on Chemtrails See:

http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/chemtrails.htm

[simplify]

Marpat: what do you think these trails are, & what is their purpose if any. I would really like to hear your opinion on what they are all about? Just curious, as I would like to hear another side of the story? I don't know myself what they are, so I am willing to listen to your side too.

[oiram]

Yet there are people in the forum posting many pic of supposed spraying over london. If you sprayed stuff high in the atmosphere you would have little control over the area it would contaminate and it would also be very widely dispersed, which is why crop dusters spray at low level to make the run accurate.

How do you know that people are getting sick from that? what about the increased use of radio transmissions, microwave antennae all over the place, huge concentrations of vehicles fumes, food additives, ad infinitum. How can you possibly claim that spraying is a real problem with all of these other factors around. Can you actually isolate it and identify it?

No one can help you because you are blocking out the basics.
Don't defend it because you should have no reason to do so.

If the Government is spraying I like to know why & what for & the last question is what are you spraying. "Full stop"

Let's hope you're children are immune to it.

[lightgiver]

Why are you angry? I thought we were going to be civil.

I am bored with people offering videos as proof. I could fake a video and it would be on here very quickly but what does that prove?

It is about time people actually managed to produce some evidence of their claims. If all this barium is being sprayed that it would be very simple to collect some. What if I were to test for such particles and such a test proved negative, would you believe it or would you just continue to believe your videos?

Give over you are always on here denying everything ,do you think people are gonna pop off straight away it is a slow poisoning effect,as it not crossed your mind the elites may be inoculated against this poison.

Thousands of vids have been posted german weather people, footage upon footage upon footage,this is getting boring, you always deny it,you are what they call a chem trail denier,and you never back up your claims,you just argue constantly and insult.

and you are once again starting to piss me off ,you are here just to wind people up.

why do you not just stop posting on here,you do not believe so just do one,you have nothing to worry about,but that is not your agenda is it.

Texas Chemtrail Samples Compared To Samples From Venice Italy:

Phase II of Project FMM consisted of a second batch of unknown suspect fibers (Chemtrail samples from Texas) that were sent to Dr. Hildegarde Staninger and forwarded to the appropriate laboratory for analysis. The laboratory was asked to examine them, study them with ocular microscopy, take photomicrographs, and to determine some physical properties, and to run elemental analysis by Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy (EDS). They would also compare their physical properties with those of other fibers such as nano fibers, nanotubes, carbon silicon nano wires, meteoritic particles, Morgellon's patients' fibers and carbon-silicon fibers. These findings were reported on March 27, 2 007 and released to the world through internet media (Morgellon's Special # 7 ­ Project FMM - http://www.rense.com/morgphase/phase2_1.htm )

On November 10, 2007 Dr. Luca Zamengo, former researcher at for the LIFE Asbestos Project chaired by Universita Ca'Foscari, Venezia, Italy forwarded a report on his Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy (EDS) of spider web-like filaments. Ocular Microscopy and Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM) results of wide formations of white-thin filaments, which looked like spider webs that were repeatedly observed as they were deposited (from the air/sky) on the grass and other exposed surfaces in the area of the San Giuliano Park in Mestre-Venice, Italy.1

http://www.rense.com/general79/chemm.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C455lMfHfb4

Now marpat stop denying it because you are doing yourself any favours but you could not care less could you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLNNwiKvlE

People need to start waking up and stop reading marpats nonsense.

[anthony65]

Please refer Marpat to the following thread the next time he demands "Facts"

Marpat has had many facts presented to him many times, but he chooses to dismiss them or ridicule them.

The next time Marpat starts his silly games, refer him to this thread and/or report him to the moderators.

The claim that "we" have not presented any facts is a lie.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981

[simplify]

Marpat: where are you.....people have questions for you.?:D

[marpat]

Marpat: what do you think these trails are, & what is their purpose if any. I would really like to hear your opinion on what they are all about? Just curious, as I would like to hear another side of the story? I don't know myself what they are, so I am willing to listen to your side too.

Who is to say that such trails are not a normal side effect of aircraft at high altitude in varying atmospheric conditions. Does there need to be a purpose or is it a case of people just being paranoid about everything they see?

Personally I can acept them as just persistent contrails because I have seen such trails but they are not always continuous, they do not always spread out and block the sun and the are often only persist for short distance over very empty places.

I have put a number of questions to the believers but how many good answer do I get? not only that but even the believers often disagree. I see some of them claiming that such trails are there to poison us (but they wont wear anything to stop them breathing the stuff in though!!!) yet other claim they are not there to poison us but to shut the sun out so we will be isolated from its benefits. Some claim it is part of HAARP.

I could go on.

[marpat]

Marpat: where are you.....people have questions for you.?:D

I do work for a living. You cannot get instant answers when I am at work.

[marpat]

Please refer Marpat to the following thread the next time he demands "Facts"

Marpat has had many facts presented to him many times, but he chooses to dismiss them or ridicule them.

The next time Marpat starts his silly games, refer him to this thread and/or report him to the moderators.

The claim that "we" have not presented any facts is a lie.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981

Please report me to the moderators. I am doing no wrong. However, you are trying to repress my questions and free expression.

Looked at that link and your highlight chemtrail in red. I think the idea of that document was tp prevent such things being used against people. I never said such things were impossible. I have said many times that they could be possible BUT MAY NOT BE PROBABLE. Perhaps you find it hard to realise there is a difference between these words.

Will you answer my question then?

[marpat]

Like I said many times before, people are claiming that dangerous materials are being sprayed on us all the time. How many people in this forum wear respiratory protection to protect themselves from this 'poison'. More than that how many people in here make their kids wear such stuff? I would think that if you were all 100% convinced then you would be desperate to protect your kids.

On top of that how many people in this forum have collected physical evidence of spraying, perhaps some barium deposists?

I would be interested to hear from people who have done these things.

[simplify]

Like I said many times before, people are claiming that dangerous materials are being sprayed on us all the time. How many people in this forum wear respiratory protection to protect themselves from this 'poison'. More than that how many people in here make their kids wear such stuff? I would think that if you were all 100% convinced then you would be desperate to protect your kids.

On top of that how many people in this forum have collected physical evidence of spraying, perhaps some barium deposists?

I would be interested to hear from people who have done these things.

Marpat, have you gone out and done some sampling from these chemtrails? You are busy with your job...right? so are others on here too. However, there are others who are experienced in doing this type of sampling & analysis, & have published their results. You should check out these vids....although I doubt this evidence from "the horses mouth" will satisfy you either. You probably have already watched it...but here it is anyway.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61945
I don't know what your agenda is here in denying the existence & dangers of these trails.....but either you are totally in denial (fear of the truth) or someone is paying you a hefty sum to post the obvious crap you write here. Not to mention the risk you are putting your family in. Sorry to be harsh, but when you continuously seek to influence people into believing that what they are seeing with their own eyes & you have been given all kinds of evidence...then I find that very disturbing.

[cafetimes1991]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/April_2009/Trails_(D).jpg

[marpat]

Marpat, have you gone out and done some sampling from these chemtrails? You are busy with your job...right? so are others on here too. However, there are others who are experienced in doing this type of sampling & analysis, & have published their results. You should check out these vids....although I doubt this evidence from "the horses mouth" will satisfy you either. You probably have already watched it...but here it is anyway.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61945
I don't know what your agenda is here in denying the existence & dangers of these trails.....but either you are totally in denial (fear of the truth) or someone is paying you a hefty sum to post the obvious crap you write here. Not to mention the risk you are putting your family in. Sorry to be harsh, but when you continuously seek to influence people into believing that what they are seeing with their own eyes & you have been given all kinds of evidence...then I find that very disturbing.

Your eyes cannot tell you what these trails are so seeing something in the sky is not proof.

Tell me, do you wear a respirator to protect yourself? do you think forum members who have kids should make their kids wear them. The way I see it people who go on about being poisoned and who do not wear such things or make their kids wear them are actually abetting such poisoning, if such a thing is happening. If I was 100% convinced then I would be wearing one and I would press my family to wear them too. I would consider it even if I were 80% convinced.

Should my doubt require an agenda.

[simplify]

Your eyes cannot tell you what these trails are so seeing something in the sky is not proof.

Tell me, do you wear a respirator to protect yourself? do you think forum members who have kids should make their kids wear them. The way I see it people who go on about being poisoned and who do not wear such things or make their kids wear them are actually abetting such poisoning, if such a thing is happening. If I was 100% convinced then I would be wearing one and I would press my family to wear them too. I would consider it even if I were 80% convinced.

Should my doubt require an agenda.

Marpat: what exactly constitutes proof for you in order to be convinced that these chemtrails are harmful to us? If there is a flu virus floating around in your community, do believe it is a flu virus, or do you just think people are exagerating, just for the hell of it? I guess I am trying to figure out how you define proof in life with anything that may happen.

[banjoreality]

simplify, MARPAT is short for marine pattern: it's a pixelated camouflage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marpat
Please, just let him go, the guy is obviously an intel op. Don't argue just let him sit in his own....
an spread the word, he loves to chat about black magic, channeling and all sorts of unprovable hogwash, but when it comes to chemtrails for some strange reason he demands proof.... go figure.

[marpat]

Marpat: what exactly constitutes proof for you in order to be convinced that these chemtrails are harmful to us? If there is a flu virus floating around in your community, do believe it is a flu virus, or do you just think people are exagerating, just for the hell of it? I guess I am trying to figure out how you define proof in life with anything that may happen.

Well I would be more convinced if people had actually collected some samples of barium themselves rather than going purely on youtube vids which are pretty questionable. For me I would be more inclined to take people seriously if they had collected such evidence and were in he proces of launching some form of legal challenge. If you have collected material then you have a case. What I dont understand is why Icke is not doing this. He obviously makes quite a bit of money and he is writing about this sort of stuff yet I am seeing nothing about him launching such challenges. If he feels sto strongly about this stuff then why is he not using his money, collected through people such as yourself who believe his ideas, to prove that what he is saying is factual and not some theory.

Also, I would have to see the effects in my enviroment that people are claiming. I see people claiming that it creates all sort of illness' and breathing problems but I am not seeing people becoming increasingly sick or ill. My wife has asthma and people are claiming that this is being made worse by chemtrails but her condition has improved over recent years so how can I believe that the air is being poisoned?

If metallic particles are being dropped from the sky, as reported on a youtube vid, where the guy claims to have seen them falling, how do I not see such obvious signs of particles? why do I not have a metallic taste in my mouth all the time?

Also, such trails would contaminate the water supply so how hard would it be to come up with some convincing proof yet I dont see people in here claiming they have anything, just vids and pictures.

For me to feel slightly convinced I would have to actually start feeling these effects that other claim are happening (without being able to attribute such things to other conditions) so often and I would want to see somebody taking action to get something done about it. I would actually have a bit more respect for Icke if he used the money that people have worked hard for to prove these theories to collect evidence and present a legal challenge. You may ask why Icke should do this but my response would be that he is making these accusations in his books and is taking cash of you. He paints a picture of fear in your minds and enjoys your money (which is illusory anyway) without using it to provide further research. He does not walk around with breathing apparatus so he must feel confident that the air is breathable and lets face it if he did were a respirator and people thought he was mad then would that matter to him? I thought he was past all that sort of stuff, worrying about people thinking he was crazy. If Icke is happy to breathe the air then why should we worry about it?

If I am wrong and he is carrying out such physical investigation with a view to a legal challenge then please let me know. I am sure that he could get plenty of financial backing now that he is chums with Robby Williams.

[simplify]

simplify, MARPAT is short for marine pattern: it's a pixelated camouflage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marpat
Please, just let him go, the guy is obviously an intel op. Don't argue just let him sit in his own....
an spread the word, he loves to chat about black magic, channeling and all sorts of unprovable hogwash, but when it comes to chemtrails for some strange reason he demands proof.... go figure.

Tks for the wiki link.....it makes sence, but I suspected a while back that he is an Intel. op. There is absolutely no other explanation for the things that he says. He is here in part to frustrate people, what a sad career to have!

[marpat]

simplify, MARPAT is short for marine pattern: it's a pixelated camouflage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marpat
Please, just let him go, the guy is obviously an intel op. Don't argue just let him sit in his own....
an spread the word, he loves to chat about black magic, channeling and all sorts of unprovable hogwash, but when it comes to chemtrails for some strange reason he demands proof.... go figure.

Yawn.

The thing is with spiritual stuff is that it cannot be easily proven by conventional methods, being of a different plane of existence. 'Chemtrails' are part of this physical world and must leave physical trace evidence that can be proven with current methods of investigation. :rolleyes:

I suppose Icke must be wrong when he gets all his channelled information from his spirit sources when he has been taking peyote. In his books he claims that such methods are acceptable.

[marpat]

Tks for the wiki link.....it makes sence, but I suspected a while back that he is an Intel. op. There is absolutely no other explanation for the things that he says. He is here in part to frustrate people, what a sad career to have!

Actually my career is electronics. What is sad is that you people have to invent a false label to demonise me and yet you believe you are seeking the truth. Some truth when you have to create falsehoods about people. All you are doing is to program your minds into delusional thinking that the government would actually care about a bunch of low brow conspiracy theorists who cannot even gather any physical evidence. Im sure they must be shitting their pants.

The more you try and label me with lies the more I just accept that you are incapable of correct judgment and if I doubt your ability to think clearly then I am not going to consider your thoughts on contrails. I guess the falsehood is for the easily satisfied whereas truth is a little bit harder to establish.

Why do I frustrate you, because I ask questions rather than just sucking it all up?

[simplify]

Marpat: why now are you attacking Icke? If all the info in the vids and in professional documents that has been published does not cause you some concern, then thats fine. But you wife has asthma, & breathing this toxic air would cause her some problems.

I asked you if you have gone out and done some sampling? Seems you answer is NO. Here is a suggestion, you go out and take some samples and get them analyzed, see what the results are and post them here. You then can prove to us, that the air is free of barium, aluminium & bacteria & whatever else they are pouring into the atmosphere.

The onus in now on you to prove your theory that all is well.

[marpat]

Marpat: why now are you attacking Icke? If all the info in the vids and in professional documents that has been published does not cause you some concern, then thats fine. But you wife has asthma, & breathing this toxic air would cause her some problems.

I asked you if you have gone out and done some sampling? Seems you answer is NO. Here is a suggestion, you go out and take some samples and get them analyzed, see what the results are and post them here. You then can prove to us, that the air is free of barium, aluminium & bacteria & whatever else they are pouring into the atmosphere.

The onus in now on you to prove your theory that all is well.

But if I did that would you believe me? I would be happy to do that but not for my own benefit as I still have doubts. Why should I have to prove anything? isnt the onus of proof on those making the accusations? do you have any barium samples?

I think Icke should be doing more about it as he has raised peoples concerns over it. Professional documents? if all this top level evidence exist then why no legal case? lets just talk about it in the forum :rolleyes:

If I started printing books claiming water was being poisoned I would be trying to gather physical proof of that, not sitting on my arse making a fat pile of cash out of peoples fears while doing nothing about it except printing the works and 'research' of other people.

[lightgiver]

Chemtrails - Barium, Aluminum,
Titanium CONFIRMED In Rainwater


UPDATE

From Sue Miller
smillernc@earthlink.net
3-17-2

Dear Jeff,

I must express my respect and appreciation for Therese Aigner. To my knowlege, she is the first professional, accredited environmental expert/engineer to stand up and formally and emphatically connect unusual water test results with the unusual aerial activity.

That the rainwater barium and aluminum chem-bliz 'pollution' is directly from chemtrails is clearly stated in her cover letter of the lab test results:

Dear Ms. Miller:

1.0 Per your three (3) samples submitted to the writer (Project No.SMS 514); attached please find the Analytical Results Summary for samples number (s) 514-1, 514-2 and 514-3 This summary also includes the proper and completed Chain of Custody.

1.1 There is also a copy of your original sample labels which have been "G" 'd in with the above samples.

2.0 If you look at the "Results" of each one of the "Parameters" ; there is consistancy here. This would indicate a very controlled delivery (dispersion) of Chemtrails by aircraft in your area.

2.1 The "Results" would also indicate that the contaminants would have had to be delivered in large amounts (pounds per min.) and in concentrated form.

2.2 In addition to the above; we would not expect to find the above "Parameters" under normal circumstances (regardless of quantity) in your area.


Also: the Government Directorates that are operating the Chemtrails delivery (dispersion) aircraft should be subject to the following Title 40 (ENVIRONMENTAL) Code of Federal Regulations (CFR's):

3.1 40 CFR 1 to 86; [Air Programs ].

3.2 40 CFR 87 to 149: [Water Programs].

3.3 40 CFR 150 to 189; [FIFRA-Pesticide Programs].

3.4 40 CFR 190 to 299; [RCRA-Solid Waste and Hazardous Waste].

3.5 40 CFR 300 to 399; [CERCLA Sect. 312 & 313 (Community Right to
Know)/Superfund/SARA Title 111].

3.6 40 CFR 400 to 899; [Water Effluent Guideline & Standards].

3.7 40 CFR 700 to 790; [Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA)].

4.0 Under normal circumstances these Directorates would be required to comply to ALL registration, notification, and permitting reequirements as mandated by the CFR's called out in the above section 3.0

4.1 In short: "THEY" have placed themselves above the LAW.


In closing; if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to call.

Sincerely, Ms. Therese Aigner, CES Consultant

cc to Clifford Carnicom and David Peterson

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The sample data ("Results") is available in the original form at www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm Click on 'Lab Tests Are Positive', then on Page 3.

Ms. Aigner is willing to test other samples if they are collected and forwarded properly. You would have to pay the testing expenses.

Contact her for information @ 1-814-628-2032

It would be very useful for concerned citizens to amass a national database of rainwater testing results with results from every state. (Assuming that there IS any rain...)

"Looookinup"

Topic Thread--* BARIUM, Aluminum, Titanium CONFIRMED in Rainwater.-- is at Carnicom's Chemtrail Board: http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=5946.top ic

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The presence of Aluminum, Barium, Calcium, Magnesium, and Titanium in the air over a part of the United States is now formally documented, in as reliable a way as is available to an ordinary American citizen.

Over three months, three separate rainwater and snow samples from Chapel Hill, North Carolina, have been collected and submitted for formal 'double-blind' laboratory analysis. Tests were ordered for several elements that should NOT be present in normal rain/snow. The results should have come back marked 'N/D' ('None Detected') for all tests...

But, that hope was smashed.

The substances that many of us who have been researching the chemtrail issue suspect are in the air --- ARE IN THE AIR.

And coming down in rain and snow.

Especially BARIUM.

This devastating data points to a deliberate atmospheric release of massive quantities of material containing Aluminum, Barium, Calcium, Magnesium, Calcium, and Titanium.

These bleak figures also point to the possibility of a grim outlook for the humans (and animals) under this chem-bliz 'fallout', as well as the entire physical ecosystem.

We were not designed to breathe these materials. Especially at the tiny particulate size, which has over and over been proven to cause increased death rates. (Most recently by the Journal of American Medical Association, 3/6/2002, 'Mortality, and Long-term Exposure to Fine Particulate Air Pollution')

More testing is urgently called for.

Other substances may be present -- these five were the only tests ordered, based on information collected from the Carnicom Chemtrail Site and Discussion Board. The form in which these documented five exist -- carbonates, hydrates, stearates (?) etc.-- is still unknown.

As chemtrails -- the postulated release method for these materials -- have been continually observed and documented over the United States and most of the world, more testing in other areas must be done to confirm that this is not simply a localized, temporary phenomena. The health and ecologic effects of these materials entering the groundwater, oceans, agriculture/food supply, and food chains must be considered and studied.

The health, climactic, and planetary effects of the massive quantities that must exist in the upper atmosphere to reach the ground in detectable levels must be studied.

The importance of these issues cannot be understated. Clifford Carnicom, Lorie Kramer, Kim Weber, Teresa S., David Peterson, and Terese Aigner have provided the information and encouragement for this direction. Deep gratitude is extended to them.

I am proud to be American, and standing in the Lord,

Sue Miller (aka 'Looookinup') smillernc@earthlink.net

Links -

The official laboratory tests: Click on 'Lab Tests Are Positive' http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

Clifford Carnicom's Chemtrail Board: http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails

Lung Cancer, Cardiopulmonary Mortality, and Long-term Exposure to Fine Particulate Air Pollution:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v287n9/abs/joc11435.html
Vol. 287 No. 9, March 6, 2002

ChemtrailTrackingUSA- A group for reporting chemtrail sightings, and research http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa



Comment

From Clifford E Carnicom
cecarnicom@earthlink.net
3-19-2


Folks may wish to become familiar with a couple of additions that have made to http://www.carnicom.com/lab1.htm in light of some recently distributed false information on this matter.

Additional notes by CE Carnicom, Mar 18 2002:

Citizens may wish to begin investigating the role of the MDL in trace metal analysis per EPA 200.7 and ICP-MS methods as provided by various commercial testing labs, such as:

http://www.rpc.ca/icpms.html

where the following statements are made regarding detection capabilities beneath the MDL:

"Please note that the limits included in the table are "reporting limits" (for waters) and may be higher than the actual instrument detection limit. In many cases, it is possible to report elements to substantially lower levels."

"The Reporting Limit is essentially a practical method detection limit (MDL). The reporting limit is the concentration of a parameter that can be reliably reported in the presence of a moderate amount of sample-based interferences. In many cases, lowe [incomplete sentence listed - apparently to read lower levels may be able to be reported - CEC]"


marpat as had plenty proof he just likes to spread bullshit .

and no matter how much info you give it,he just dismisses it with BS insults and no back up to prove otherwise.

Obama is now admitting government has Geo-Engineering program. They are spraying for weather/military/and human testing/eugenics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P0OaWjv--U

Barium level in Indianapolis drinking water up 2000% since 05

German Government admits participation in ChemTrail experiments Video:

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/german-government-admits-participation-in-chemtrail-experiments/15566746

[marpat]

But even if such things were collected from rainwater how does this prove that it is a global problem? how can we tell from reading that info that the contamination was not from a ground source? what if it was just some localised event?

It clearly states more testing needs to be done. Is anybody doing that or are they all sitting with their thumbs up their arses talking about it?

If people were doing tests all over the place and coming up with similar results then I would start to be more convinced. I guess I will be waiting a long time.

[lightgiver]

But even if such things were collected from rainwater how does this prove that it is a global problem? how can we tell from reading that info that the contamination was not from a ground source? what if it was just some localised event?

It clearly states more testing needs to be done. Is anybody doing that or are they all sitting with their thumbs up their arses talking about it?

If people were doing tests all over the place and coming up with similar results then I would start to be more convinced. I guess I will be waiting a long time.

Keep trying no one believes you pal most know why you are here believe you me.

German Government admits participation in ChemTrail experiments
Mar 18, 2009
In this news segment from German television, the reporter looks into mysterious clouds that have appeared. They noticed differences in reality and satellite imaging provided by the Federal Government then investigated. German authorities admitted putting chemicals into the air for government experiments. These experiments in the US are controlled by "haarp" and have been going on for decades as they work on Tesla's forbidden technology. http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ Experiments using radio frequencies and the ionosphere are used for things like weather manipulation, thought manipulation, creating earthquakes etc. This is not sci-fi stuff, this is real, and the german government has been up front with the chemtrails now. The US government still in most cases claims that these chemtrails dont exist, although there has been a couple times they have admitted "weather modification" to help prevent "global warming". Learn more about chemtrails and how they are effecting your health. www.theblackpacket.com Author: brainphreak Keywords: chemtrails german government weather modification manipulation mind control thought minority report earthquake machine tesla weapons haarp radio frequency Added: March 18, 2009

[marpat]

Keep trying no one believes you pal most know why you are here believe you me.

German Government admits participation in ChemTrail experiments
Mar 18, 2009
In this news segment from German television, the reporter looks into mysterious clouds that have appeared. They noticed differences in reality and satellite imaging provided by the Federal Government then investigated. German authorities admitted putting chemicals into the air for government experiments. These experiments in the US are controlled by "haarp" and have been going on for decades as they work on Tesla's forbidden technology. http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ Experiments using radio frequencies and the ionosphere are used for things like weather manipulation, thought manipulation, creating earthquakes etc. This is not sci-fi stuff, this is real, and the german government has been up front with the chemtrails now. The US government still in most cases claims that these chemtrails dont exist, although there has been a couple times they have admitted "weather modification" to help prevent "global warming". Learn more about chemtrails and how they are effecting your health. www.theblackpacket.com Author: brainphreak Keywords: chemtrails german government weather modification manipulation mind control thought minority report earthquake machine tesla weapons haarp radio frequency Added: March 18, 2009

I am not asking people to believe me. I am not making money out of this like Icke is. He is a person who benefits from peoples belief.

[antinwo]

Round and round we go:D

[lightgiver]

I am not asking people to believe me. I am not making money out of this like Icke is. He is a person who benefits from peoples belief.

How is Icke making money from peoples beliefs on chemtrails:confused:you appear to be on here enough times IE over a year,nearly every day.

[oiram]

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