Women Deacons

[baron von lotsov]

A deacon is quite high up in the church hierarchy. I don't know too much about what they do or anything but I suppose they are in some ways considered to be an example of what to be in church circles. Anyway they do this ceremony to ordain them apparently and I think it was maybe Wells Cathedral or some place, as this is our local Westminster Abbey in many ways, and often has the great and the good do important things like this.

However the latest batch of fifteen deacons all standing in a line and I counted twelve out of fifteen as being women. In the old days women were not allowed to even be vicars since a vicar is the local disciple of the church and Jesus had twelve of them and every one was a man. This is why the church has a male leadership, to be true to the following of Jesus who, if you remember, was sent down to earth to show man the way. What with homosexual weddings in churches by legal force and all the rest of it I can clearly see the church selling out to the devil. Naturally women tend to be less defensive and more trusting and accepting. I presume this is why the masons are doing this now, as per their NWO agenda.

[baron von lotsov]

Sorry about that guys, I get Edit troll a lot of my thread and all the time it is spam of the sort you see above.

Anyway, it's all gone quite on this thread. Normally you people never stop arguing about Christians but here is a bit of evidence that is not consistent with your usual points of abuse. I have been watching the mainstream church for some time now and I see a different agenda unfold. A sort of corruption of its teachings. Why do you think this is?

[them]

Who is in charge of the Church?

[heretic]

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/evil_sesame_street.jpg

:D

[john white]

A deacon is quite high up in the church hierarchy. I don't know too much about what they do or anything but I suppose they are in some ways considered to be an example of what to be in church circles. Anyway they do this ceremony to ordain them apparently and I think it was maybe Wells Cathedral or some place, as this is our local Westminster Abbey in many ways, and often has the great and the good do important things like this.

However the latest batch of fifteen deacons all standing in a line and I counted twelve out of fifteen as being women. In the old days women were not allowed to even be vicars since a vicar is the local disciple of the church and Jesus had twelve of them and every one was a man. This is why the church has a male leadership, to be true to the following of Jesus who, if you remember, was sent down to earth to show man the way. What with homosexual weddings in churches by legal force and all the rest of it I can clearly see the church selling out to the devil. Naturally women tend to be less defensive and more trusting and accepting. I presume this is why the masons are doing this now, as per their NWO agenda.

Gospel of Mary...

I dont know why you are obsessed with the idea that you need a penis to know God and spread God's word. What do you think it is, an FM antenna?

[baron von lotsov]

Who is in charge of the Church?


A druid.


Says it all really. The Church of England's ruling council actually voted in favour of the Iraq war. But my point is why is it so corrupted if people maintain that Christianity in its true form is a system religion. Surely then if it were you would find that it would be true to it's definition. What I see from reading the BBC and so on is that there is an orchestrated agenda to destroy and corrupt it. The three main areas of corruption that I see at the moment are homosexual priests, women priests and being open to other religions.

The third one is the sneakiest of the lot. They veer off into things like what they call Celtic Christianity, and well around here they were trying to pass of a labyrinth as being Christian. First of all they wanted to build one on a piece of land used for children and then when people objected to that they wanted to build it in a park owned by the abbey. Our woman vicar was completely bullshitted by the new agers that it was a Christian thing, because of the one at Chartres Cathedral. I asked her in front of the public where the Bible mentions labyrinths. The public wanted an answer but none were forthcoming. It was highly embarrassing for a church that had supported the project.

[them]

A druid.

That makes sense to me.

I don't believe in any of the gods Baron. However, I don't rule out the probability that the universe/reality we experience could have a spiritual aspect. I just think we don't really know what it is we're actually looking for in the first place. That's not sad, it's humbling.


Says it all really. The Church of England's ruling council actually voted in favour of the Iraq war. But my point is why is it so corrupted if people maintain that Christianity in its true form is a system religion. Surely then if it were you would find that it would be true to it's definition. What I see from reading the BBC and so on is that there is an orchestrated agenda to destroy and corrupt it. The three main areas of corruption that I see at the moment are homosexual priests, women priests and being open to other religions.

The third one is the sneakiest of the lot. They veer off into things like what they call Celtic Christianity, and well around here they were trying to pass of a labyrinth as being Christian. First of all they wanted to build one on a piece of land used for children and then when people objected to that they wanted to build it in a park owned by the abbey. Our woman vicar was completely bullshitted by the new agers that it was a Christian thing, because of the one at Chartres Cathedral. I asked her in front of the public where the Bible mentions labyrinths. The public wanted an answer but none were forthcoming. It was highly embarrassing for a church that had supported the project.

It sounds like the company you're talking about up there is being both stripped of it's assets & merged with competition. These things are controlled from the inside, not the outside.

Who's responsible for that?

[baron von lotsov]

It gets no government funding actually. A lot of the funding of the church is via wills, where I think there might be a bit of a guilt complex thing. Apparently in the area I was brought up, which is full of elite, the number of wills made out to the church is quite amazing. I suppose some people figure that a one final gift might get them into heaven, but it does not work quite like that.

Anyway, the church is being attacked. Sony tried to bring out a new ultra violent shooting video brainwashing game featuring scenes from inside Manchester Cathedral without seeking permission. The vicar says if they don't withdraw them from the shelves and issue an apology then the church will take legal action. Also churches are being told by politically correct councils to remove their crosses from public view because they might be offensive to Muslims.

Meanwhile the radical Muslim preaching in the safety of the mosque (Human Rights Act: right to practice religion) is breeding terrorists and Muslim yobs are vandalising churches. Instead of the government condemning this kind of behaviour Ken Livingstone is proposing £100 million of public money should be spent on a new super mosque in London, like the millennium dome to usher in the 2012 celebrations, known officially as the 2012 London Olympics.

[baron von lotsov]

Come on guys. Surely you have something to say. I spend my time researching this info for you benefit and you come across as all shy and untalkative.

[lifeofbrian]

A druid.


Says it all really. The Church of England's ruling council actually voted in favour of the Iraq war. But my point is why is it so corrupted if people maintain that Christianity in its true form is a system religion. Surely then if it were you would find that it would be true to it's definition. What I see from reading the BBC and so on is that there is an orchestrated agenda to destroy and corrupt it. The three main areas of corruption that I see at the moment are homosexual priests, women priests and being open to other religions.

The third one is the sneakiest of the lot. They veer off into things like what they call Celtic Christianity, and well around here they were trying to pass of a labyrinth as being Christian. First of all they wanted to build one on a piece of land used for children and then when people objected to that they wanted to build it in a park owned by the abbey. Our woman vicar was completely bullshitted by the new agers that it was a Christian thing, because of the one at Chartres Cathedral. I asked her in front of the public where the Bible mentions labyrinths. The public wanted an answer but none were forthcoming. It was highly embarrassing for a church that had supported the project.

I wonder if you moved from where you live to say, Newcastle, you would change your views drastically.

It seems everything you post is connected to Glastonbury like some kind of MK-loop.

Get out of there man.

[them]

It gets no government funding actually. A lot of the funding of the church is via wills, where I think there might be a bit of a guilt complex thing. Apparently in the area I was brought up, which is full of elite, the number of wills made out to the church is quite amazing. I suppose some people figure that a one final gift might get them into heaven, but it does not work quite like that.

When I said asset stripping I meant in a cerebral sense.

Anyway, the church is being attacked. Sony tried to bring out a new ultra violent shooting video brainwashing game featuring scenes from inside Manchester Cathedral without seeking permission. The vicar says if they don't withdraw them from the shelves and issue an apology then the church will take legal action. Also churches are being told by politically correct councils to remove their crosses from public view because they might be offensive to Muslims.

Meanwhile the radical Muslim preaching in the safety of the mosque (Human Rights Act: right to practice religion) is breeding terrorists and Muslim yobs are vandalising churches. Instead of the government condemning this kind of behaviour Ken Livingstone is proposing £100 million of public money should be spent on a new super mosque in London, like the millennium dome to usher in the 2012 celebrations, known officially as the 2012 London Olympics.

I wonder who will end up brokering a settlement between all of the entangled factions, if you know what I mean?

[them]

I wonder if you moved from where you live to say, Newcastle, you would change your views drastically.

It seems everything you post is connected to Glastonbury like some kind of MK-loop.

Get out of there man.

In support of Von Lostov, I would say; the area around Glastonbury is full of the kinds of people you would define, elite. The Warburgs have property near by, for example.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes Glastonbury is a MK-town to use the youth parlance in an unconventional way. Brighton is as well, because Sussex University is a Tavistock subsidiary. Manchester is probably another one and each has a function in the social engineering sense. They function like laboratories, Brighton and Manchester cater for freaks and homosexuals and Glastonbury is their one world religion lab.

You say get out but three reasons why I don't. First I have a lovely house here, which is fortunately away from the worst affected regions. This is a lot of hassle and expense to probably move into somewhere far grottier. I vaguely know Newcastle and that area, I visited it once or twice and it is very depressed. The second reason is that I study it and put this info out on the web so that the rest of the world is aware of what is being kept under wraps. Third is that to leave is like running away and you know I'm one to stand and fight. Besides if you all run away from the NWO where would you run to? Better to be prepared in my opinion.

[lifeofbrian]

Yes Glastonbury is a MK-town to use the youth parlance in an unconventional way. Brighton is as well, because Sussex University is a Tavistock subsidiary. Manchester is probably another one and each has a function in the social engineering sense. They function like laboratories, Brighton and Manchester cater for freaks and homosexuals and Glastonbury is their one world religion lab.

You say get out but three reasons why I don't. First I have a lovely house here, which is fortunately away from the worst affected regions. This is a lot of hassle and expense to probably move into somewhere far grottier. I vaguely know Newcastle and that area, I visited it once or twice and it is very depressed. The second reason is that I study it and put this info out on the web so that the rest of the world is aware of what is being kept under wraps. Third is that to leave is like running away and you know I'm one to stand and fight. Besides if you all run away from the NWO where would you run to? Better to be prepared in my opinion.

Why don't you gather all your field studies in one place - like a blog - and make it more comprehensive, if I may ask?

Reason I ask is because it certainly doesn't make a reader more sympathetic towards you if you crap all over the work of other people - like David Icke - just to forward your own 2tuff-stuff.

[john white]

Come on guys. Surely you have something to say. I spend my time researching this info for you benefit and you come across as all shy and untalkative.

*Sniff*

I said something and you didnt want to know...

Gospel of Mary...

I dont know why you are obsessed with the idea that you need a penis to know God and spread God's word. What do you think it is, an FM antenna?

[baron von lotsov]

Why don't you gather all your field studies in one place - like a blog - and make it more comprehensive, if I may ask?

Reason I ask is because it certainly doesn't make a reader more sympathetic towards you if you crap all over the work of other people - like David Icke - just to forward your own 2tuff-stuff.



Good point. However, I like dialogue because if you just write some stuff you can easily disappear up your own arse. Dialogue with the real world keeps what I think tuned in and constantly evolving as more evidence is uncovered. I hope that others can extend and participate in some of these ideas. I suppose what I would need to do is to write a book but what on earth do I write it as. Do you do a popular book that most can understand or a book with the real meat in it, which will be too obscure for people.

I mean it's difficult enough getting the message across on a one to one basis and I do adjust what I say according to whom I'm speaking to. I try and pitch everything at their level or just slightly above so they have to jump up a bit to reach it. This pushing of people keeps them sharp so when they read the next piece of bullshit off the BBC they are above the level needed to see the agenda. It's just the way I am, I push myself even harder. This is the way to get results and win. Once people have grasped these ideas i don't need to say anything, they can go off on a path of self-discovery. However most are prevented from getting any further due to deeply held beliefs programmed in by the system. Remove the blockages and no more needs to be done. Chances are they will enthuse others in what they then discover.

[baron von lotsov]

*Sniff*

I said something and you didnt want to know...


More bollox from the one who never posts any info about the NWO and trolls 100% of the threads with NA mumbo jumbo.

[baron von lotsov]

I take it most of you are well and truly asleep regarding this issue. It's been in the news enough recently, even today in fact. But absolutely none of you have a clue why. Either you want to drop a few insults towards me or change the subject or ignore it. Is this what you are taught to do at school? I want some of you to think for once in your life.

[john white]

I take it most of you are well and truly asleep regarding this issue. It's been in the news enough recently, even today in fact. But absolutely none of you have a clue why. Either you want to drop a few insults towards me or change the subject or ignore it. Is this what you are taught to do at school? I want some of you to think for once in your life.

Yeah, but whats the point in answering?

You just ignore anything you don't want to hear and are as about as interesting to debate as a frozen fish

See:

Gospel of Mary?

Ever heard of it?

Are you aware that it was one of the most popular gospels prior to Nicea?

what do I get for bringing that pertiant info to this thread about why you say its a problem for women to be deacons?

More bollox from the one who never posts any info about the NWO and trolls 100% of the threads with NA mumbo jumbo.

Do y'think, just a thought this you understand, but do y'think its just possible you put people off?

And you also dont have even a basic understanding of making a case for why only women should be priests

Frankly baron all your good for is robotically repeating whatever Henry Makow has programmed you with because you've fixated on him as a daddu architype

Now I bet your "never posts anything about the NWO" crack is based on me never posting anything on how its all the Vatican and the Jews behind it all...

But why don't I post that? Well, 'cos I know better of course

Same as I know Women are great and the equal balance of Men

[baron von lotsov]

What the fuck.

Mods have deemed the answer is to kick the post in to the religion section.

Naturally the New Age shit is not a religion though.

[john white]

What the fuck.

Mods have deemed the answer is to kick the post in to the religion section.

Naturally the New Age shit is not a religion though.

LOL its all a conspiracy to get you Baron

(this thread has been in religion all day!)

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Yeah, but whats the point in answering?

You just ignore anything you don't want to hear and are as about as interesting to debate as a frozen fish

See:

Gospel of Mary?

Ever heard of it?

Are you aware that it was one of the most popular gospels prior to Nicea?

what do I get for bringing that pertiant info to this thread about why you say its a problem for women to be deacons?



Do y'think, just a thought this you understand, but do y'think its just possible you put people off?

And you also dont have even a basic understanding of making a case for why only women should be priests

Frankly baron all your good for is robotically repeating whatever Henry Makow has programmed you with because you've fixated on him as a daddu architype

Now I bet your "never posts anything about the NWO" crack is based on me never posting anything on how its all the Vatican and the Jews behind it all...

But why don't I post that? Well, 'cos I know better of course

Same as I know Women are great and the equal balance of Men

please.. mayi say.. if about it, ic-one-s , please??!!

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No. 466: (http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi466.htm)
ICONS OF WOMEN IN SCIENCE


ICONS OF WOMEN IN SCIENCE

by John H. Lienhard
Click here for audio of Episode 466.

Today, a different look at gender and science. The University of Houston's College of Engineering presents this series about the machines that make our civilization run, and the people whose ingenuity created them.

Germany is the fatherland to Germans. Russia is her people's motherland. When you go fishing your boat is a she, but the fish you catch are male: "Lookit him, ain't he a big sucker!"

So how about science? Is it male or female? Francis Bacon, who set the new agenda for experimental science in 1620, said:

The empire of man over things is founded on the ... sciences ... for nature is only to be commanded by obeying her.
He meant that we must observe nature and learn her rules before we exert technological control over her. We must submit before we master. Bacon's tenet of faith is shot through with notions of male/female roles. The active human species is man. Nature is she. Nature is mother whom the male son will eventually command. But she is, nonetheless, mother.
Female imagery lingers in science 200 years after Bacon. Over and over, scientists portrayed their work as female. The frontispiece of a late Galileo book shows two women. One is Natural Philosophy. The other is Mathematics.

Historian Lhonda Schiebinger tells about 18th-century imagery in books on science. The frontispiece of Lemery's 18th-century book on "Chymistry" shows chemistry as a beautiful lady. She's shown bare-breasted -- probably because she offers us the naked truth.

Emilie du Châtelet published a book on physics in 1740. In the frontispiece, she herself ascends to a temple where naked truth -- a woman -- awaits her. Five of the sciences watch her ascend. They're all women.

That imagery declined in the 18th century. The frontispiece of Newton's book on calculus shows only men making measurements. The philosopher Kant didn't only attack female imagery. He thought women had no business studying science. He wrote:

A woman ... who engages in debate about the intricacies of mechanics, like the Marquise du Châtelet, might just as well have a beard ...
Science turned into serious business in the 1840s. It became professional. No more female face! In fact, no more embodiment of any kind! If we wanted to portray science, we did it the way Newton had. We showed men engaged in science. As we did so the field became more impenetrable to women than ever.
Rousseau played a part in driving women out. He argued that they hurt the style of science. Rousseau saw science as male combat. And so it often is. One modern observer calls science a system in which not the best, but the best-defended, idea prevails. What science really needs is less of that. It needs the same male-female balance that Rousseau tried to take from it. The good news is that science is finally finding ways to achieve that balance today.

I'm John Lienhard, at the University of Houston, where we're interested in the way inventive minds work.

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Schiebinger, L., The Mind Has No Sex. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1989, Chapter 5.



The Engines of Our Ingenuity is Copyright © 1988-1997 by John H. Lienhard.

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[edit]

ps. de-acons is partly - deo-cons or an dio& cons.. or sum-about..
New Jerusalem - The new in the New Jerusalem comes from the Greek word kainos, ... The enormous city comes out of heaven from God, down to the new earth. ... holy city, city of God, celestial city, and heavenly Jerusalem, as well as Jerusalem above and Zion..New Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[john white]

sublime Edit, truly sublime

[edit]

:).. here hear.. (Per-u-via-n Lily (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:sfVvrprmwAgJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstroemeria+Alstroemeria&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=nl)).. :)
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