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bigred
13-04-2009, 04:46 PM
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Assud-the-Bomber-Bunny/Media-Gallery/20080231305817?lpos=World_News_First_Home_Page_Fea ture_Teaser_Region_2&lid=GALLERY_1305817_Assud_the_Bomber_Bunny
Is this for real? Looks like an ordinary kids TV show to me.
Bomber Bunny???... are they takin the piss?
Where are the bombs? :confused:
Assud the Bunny is (was) very real, unfortunately.
Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah shy away from indocrinating their kids into politics from day one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEB0SvMzKzg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlCxj8EW-7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G74yu8zna5o
Earlier this year, they killed him off in time with the Gaza campaign :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whqrvEy8_xk
This documentary shows one aid worker who woke up to what was going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b2QhQQpHck
Personally I prefer that kids would be watching Rainbow or similar :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aemoQm4Gxus
Yet we're the bad ones if we point out how backwards their society is.
runciter
14-04-2009, 07:41 AM
http://www.stolenchildhood.net/images/israel_lebanon_war_israeli_children_signing_missil es_israeli_children__2.jpg
http://www.stolenchildhood.net/images/israel_lebanon_war_israeli_children_signing_missil es_israeli_children_.jpg
http://www.stolenchildhood.net/images/israel_lebanon_war_israeli_children_signing_missil es_israeli_children__1.jpg
batou
14-04-2009, 07:53 AM
The dying rabbit was hilarious.
Runciter, that was a nasty incident (the exact details of which nobody is aware of, as far as I know) but it doesn't even compare by any stretch of the imagination to the focus on dragging children into politics and jihad that goes on from Hamas and Hezbollah. Nice attempt to dodge the reality, but ultimately a failed and pitiful attempt.
anthony65
14-04-2009, 12:56 PM
Runciter, that was a nasty incident (the exact details of which nobody is aware of, as far as I know) but it doesn't even compare by 'any' stretch of the imagination to the focus on dragging children into politics and jihad that goes on from Hamas and Hezbollah. Nice attempt to dodge the reality, but ultimately a failed attempt.
I wouldn't say it failed at all. :(
There are plenty of other "nasty incidents" that would confirm that childhood indoctrination is common to both sides...
runciter
14-04-2009, 01:01 PM
Runciter, that was a nasty incident (the exact details of which nobody is aware of, as far as I know) but it doesn't even compare by any stretch of the imagination to the focus on dragging children into politics and jihad that goes on from Hamas and Hezbollah. Nice attempt to dodge the reality, but ultimately a failed and pitiful attempt.
i don't know about hezbollah, but hamas was a zionist creation.
anyway, retire into your borders and dismantle illegal settlements, and everything will change.
childhood indoctrination is common to both sides...
To an extent, yes. I have a book about the Arab attitudes to Israelis, and the Israeli attitudes towards Arabs, written in the 70s. It's a real eye opener.
Certainly in the 60s, Israeli education was banging away on the propaganda front about wild ferocious Arabs who would rape all the Jewish women, and that kind of thing. I'd say that stuff is less nowadays as more outside influence is now in Israel. After all, in the 60s the Beatles were blocked from coming into the country for fear of them 'corrupting' the youth. Most of the young Israelis I know today really don't buy into those kind of tactics, but they know the security situation well and how important it is. The Arab side has long been full of stereotypes about Jews too (not just Israeli Jews) as the videos above show still happening today, drummed into the minds of kids with ages of single figures. Israel doesn't celebrate the death of innocents.
I knew a man who had served in the IDF in compuslory years, and was carrying around lots of emotional baggage from those few years. He was a physicist. I can tell you that he didn't enjoy what occured, one little bit. When it comes to the Arab side though, there does appear to be a 'celebration' of any Jews killed. We can see that from the video above.
To me, the kind of "importance of defense" indocrination that the Israelis get, compared to the 'attack' indocrination that the Palestinian Arabs get, are worlds apart and cannot be compared to each other in any way really.
runciter
14-04-2009, 02:03 PM
To me, the kind of "importance of defense" indocrination that the Israelis get, compared to the 'attack' indocrination that the Palestinian Arabs get, are worlds apart and cannot be compared to each other in any way really.
are they taught about the importance of not stealing land and not treating people like cattle?
retire into your borders and dismantle illegal settlements, and everything will change.
I'm not an Israeli, so they're not 'my' borders.
Contary to what you may expect, yes I actually 'want' Israel to dismantle all its illegal settlements and withdraw to its pre 1967 borders simply to prove to all who say that will end it all, that it WONT end the Jihad if Israel does that.
The Jihad against Israel existed prior to 1967, and you know that as well as I do. If it went back to 1948 borders, there would be a new 'condition' placed upon them - "Just hand 'this' back, and we'll stop". Chip chip chip away until the ultimate goal is reached. You know this will occur, just as well as I do.
If you claim otherwise, you're either having a laugh or deluding yourself.
I hope I'd be proved wrong, and that reverting to Pre 1967 borders would settle it all. But I have a feeling that I'm going to be proved right. You can see in the videos above that the intention is blatantly given that the Arabs don't just want 'bits' of the region. But all of Israel. That's the Jihad.
Israel has done things that have rarely been done in history. It handed back land it once occupied. Gaza, Sinai, etc. And look where that got them, aye?
not treating people like cattle?
The reasons they are treated like cattle, are explained in previous posts.
I firmly believe that the Jihad against Israel has made Israel like it is today.
runciter
14-04-2009, 02:26 PM
The reasons they are treated like cattle, are explained in previous posts.
I firmly believe that the Jihad against Israel has made Israel like it is today.
this is the zionist view: all cruel actions are always justified, we are never responsible.
runciter
14-04-2009, 02:28 PM
I'm not an Israeli, so they're not 'my' borders.
Contary to what you may expect, yes I actually 'want' Israel to dismantle all its illegal settlements and withdraw to its pre 1967 borders simply to prove to all who say that will end it all, that it WONT end the Jihad if Israel does that.
The Jihad against Israel existed prior to 1967, and you know that as well as I do. If it went back to 1948 borders, there would be a new 'condition' placed upon them - "Just hand 'this' back, and we'll stop". Chip chip chip away until the ultimate goal is reached. You know this will occur, just as well as I do.
If you claim otherwise, you're either having a laugh or deluding yourself.
I hope I'd be proved wrong, and that reverting to Pre 1967 borders would settle it all. But I have a feeling that I'm going to be proved right. You can see in the videos above that the intention is blatantly given that the Arabs don't just want 'bits' of the region. But all of Israel. That's the Jihad.
Israel has done things that have rarely been done in history. It handed back land it once occupied. Gaza, Sinai, etc. And look where that got them, aye?
what solution do you prefer, one state or two states?
i think one state would be better, a single multiethnic state called "palestine".
it can't be called "israel" because of obvious religious implications.
what solution do you prefer,one state or two states?
i think one state would be better, a single multiethnic state called "palestine".
it can't be called "israel" because of obvious religious implications.
With a single multi ethnic state, the question always come down to who rules, yes?
Many (I don't have an exact number, but going from my conversations with Arabs in different countries) Muslims can't appear to stomach the idea of being under Jewish rule or working politically alongside Jews with 'equal' power of rule. It goes back to Qur'an days, and in the case of this particular conflict goes back to folks like Mufti Husseini who's central rejection was the very idea of cooperating with Jews of any power, even if the proposed state was going to be made up of Arabs as well as Jews. Islam doesn't appear to mind Jews living under submission to Muslim rule (as in the Ottoman Empire), but it can't tolerate things the other way around for some reason.
Let me ask you, is your proposed 'multiethnic' state that for some reason you wish to call "Palestine", to be ruled by Muslim Arabs first and foremost by any chance? If so, then some might say that this was an attempt at a ruse, hoping to lead me into supporting a liquidation of the state of Israel and the rise of a new state in its place, called "Palestine" (possibly under Muslim rule akin to the way the region of Greater Syria was during Ottoman times? )
In other words, the realisation of the Islamist dream, and the end of Israel.
A single state idea is fraught with such potential problems for these reasons.
It could easily be a trojan horse, and probably lead to civil war eventually.
My view is that the best way to avoid all such problems arising, is probably going to be a two state solution. Let Arabs have a state of mutually agreed size and borders, as long as there isn't a central political element ruling that new state which is blatantly focused on continuing a long term Jihad against its neighbour, rather than concentrating all of its energys on 'creating' its state. Building its own state and caring for its people first and foremost.
Of course, a two state solution came up prior to Israel's creation in 1948, and we all know who accepted the layout of the two states 'grudgingly', and who rejected the idea outright and declared all out war on the large Israel that eventually emerged. Yes the proposal 'did' come far too late, but it came nonetheless and the rejection of it by the larger Arab world said a lot.
runciter
14-04-2009, 04:05 PM
With a single multi ethnic state, the question always come down to who rules, yes?
democratic elections?
and yes it would be the end of zionism.
democratic elections?
Considering that there are far more Muslim Arabs (and a higher birth rate in Muslim familys) than Jews, then democratic elections are going to be flawed by default in no time at all, in this theoretical state where the shape of Israel as we know it now dissolves its borders and all come flooding in. People always vote for their own (and their own 'Religion' in this case). Considering there are far more Muslim Arabs than Jews, then democracy could not work fairly in such a theoretical state. It would likely be a quick return to the Ottoman situation of Muslims ruling over Jews and the Jews once out, wouldn't get back in again. You'd end up with the Jews of this "Palestine" being second class citizens as it was under Ottoman Turk rule. It's no viable solution. It actually sounds like planned revenge to me. It's the real dream of the Islamists, and perhaps your dream masquerading under wanting a fair solution to the problem? Hence why I propose a two state solution to avoid all these kinds of outcomes.
runciter
14-04-2009, 04:21 PM
Considering that there are far more Muslim Arabs (and a higher birth rate in Muslim familys) than Jews, then democratic elections are going to be flawed by default in no time at all, in this theoretical state where the shape of Israel as we know it now dissolves its borders and all come flooding in. People always vote for their own (and their own 'Religion' in this case). Considering there are far more Muslim Arabs than Jews, then democracy could not work fairly in such a theoretical state. It would likely be a quick return to the Ottoman situation of Muslims ruling over Jews and the Jews once out, wouldn't get back in again. You'd end up with the Jews of this "Palestine" being second class citizens as it was under Ottoman Turk rule. It's no viable solution. It actually sounds like planned revenge to me. It's the real dream of the Islamists, and perhaps your dream masquerading under wanting a fair solution to the problem? Hence why I propose a two state solution to avoid all these kinds of outcomes.
assimilation has always been a zionist's nightmare, and a natural condition for non-zionist jews.
zionists usually promote multiculturalism for every nation, except theirs.
assimilation has always been a zionist's nightmare
What you're proposing is a take over, Runciter. Not assimilation.
And you know it. It was a Trojan horse proposal.
Getting Israel to open its doors, and then pulling it out by the root.
Israel is the 'one' Jewish nation on earth. Muslim Arabs have 21 states.
In none of them are non Muslims anywhere near a major say in politics.
In some Muslim countires, there are no non Muslims in government at all
So Israel is not unique in maintaining a Jewish majority and Jewish identity.
Yet, people look at it as 'racist' for doing so. Interesting, isn't that.
Do you support the two state 'side by side' proposal?
runciter
14-04-2009, 06:16 PM
Do you support the two state 'side by side' proposal?
yes.
batou
14-04-2009, 06:36 PM
Israel and Palestine should each put their best scientists to work building a giant robot. Build a giant arena. Put their best pilots and mechanics in the robots and fight.
Winner takes all, absorbing losing side into their country.
Problem solved whilst being entertaining.
You can thank me later.
yes.
Very good :)
Israel and Palestine should each put their best scientists to work building a giant robot. Build a giant arena. Put their best pilots and mechanics in the robots and fight. Winner takes all, absorbing losing side into their country. Problem solved whilst being entertaining. You can thank me later.
You might be shocked to find Hamas send 7 year olds instead, Batou.
runciter
15-04-2009, 09:03 AM
if the israeli army targets palestinian children there must be a good reason.
i think we can find some clues in a book written 2500 years ago.