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sade
13-04-2009, 03:55 PM
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/lanning.htm

This report made me think a lot. Maybe even too much.
I really recommend this for those who want another view on things,
or have felt that maybe things aren't as we think they are and so on.

The whole book is definitely worth a read,
but I am quoting only the parts that I found to be most important for this thread.


3. LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING

"The belief that there is a connection between satanism and crime is
certainly not new. As previously stated, one of the oldest theories
concerning the causes of crime is demonology. Fear of satanic or
occult activity has peaked from time to time throughout history.
Concern in the late 1970s focused primarily on "unexplained" deaths
and mutilations of animals, and in recent years has focused on child
sexual abuse and the alleged human sacrifice of missing children. In
1999 it will probably focus on the impending "end of the world".
(*This book was written in 1992 and the writer was right.*)

Today satanism and a wide variety of other terms are used
interchangeably in reference to certain crimes. This discussion will
analyze the nature of "satanic, occult, ritualistic" crime primarily
as it pertains to the abuse of children and focus on appropriate
*law enforcement* responses to it.

Recently (*and this was in the 80's-90's*) a flood of law enforcement seminars and conferences have
dealt with satanic and ritualistic crime. These training conferences
have various titles, such as "Occult in Crime", "Satanic Cults",
'Ritualistic Crime Seminar", "Satanic Influences in Homicide",
"Occult Crimes, Satanism and Teen Suicide", and "Ritualistic Abuse
of Children".

The typical conference runs from one to three days, and many of them
include the same presenters and instructors. (*Arizona Wilder, anyone?*)
A wide variety of topics are usually discussed during this training either as
individual presentations by different instructors or grouped
together by one or more instructors.
Typical topics covered include the following:

-- Historical overview of satanism, witchcraft, and paganism from
ancient to modern times.

-- Nature and influence of fantasy role-playing games, such as
"Dungeons and Dragons".

-- Lyrics, symbolism, and influence of rock and roll, Heavy Metal,
and Black Metal music. (*All music is satanic, thanks to conspiracy theorists*)

-- Teenage "stoner" gangs, their symbols, and their vandalism.

-- Teenage suicide by adolescents dabbling in the occult.

-- Crimes committed by self-styled satanic practitioners, including
grave and church desecrations and robberies, animal mutilations, and
even murders.

-- Ritualistic abuse of children as part of bizarre ceremonies and
human sacrifices.

-- Organized, Traditional, or Multigenerational satanic groups
involved in organized conspiracies, such as taking over day care
centers, infiltrating police departments, and trafficking in human
sacrifice victims. (*Freenmasons have infiltrated magazines, mtv, DI forum and so on*)

-- The "Big Conspiracy" theory, which implies that satanists are
responsible for such things as Adolph Hitler, World War II,
abortion, illegal drugs, pornography, Watergate, and Irangate, and
have infiltrated the Department of Justice, the Pentagon, and the
White House.(*Not to mention NWO, Financial cricis and so on*)

During the conferences, these nine areas are linked together through
the liberal use of the word "satanism" and some common symbolism
(pentagrams, 666, demons, etc.). The implication often is that all
are part of a continuum of behavior, a single problem or some common
conspiracy. The distinctions among the different areas are blurred
even if occasionally a presenter tries to make them. The information
presented is a mixture of fact, theory, opinion, fantasy, and
paranoia, and because some of it can be proven or corroborated
(symbols on rock albums, graffiti on walls, desecration of
cemeteries, vandalism, etc.), the implication is that it is all true
and documented. Material produced by religious organizations,
photocopies and slides of newspaper articles, and videotapes of
tabloid television programs are used to supplement the training and
are presented as "evidence" of the existence and nature of the
problem.

(*I wonder if it has ever crossed anyones mind that all of this
talk about satanic rituals and such is the work of a christian group?*)



4. DEFINITIONS - is worth reading.

One part of it:

"In books, lectures, handout material, and conversations, I have
heard all of the following referred to as satanism":

-- Church of Satan
-- Ordo Templi Orientis
-- Temple of Set
-- Demonology
-- Witchcraft
-- Occult
-- Paganism
-- Santeria
-- Voodoo
-- Rosicrucians
-- Freemasonry
-- Knights Templar
-- Stoner Gangs
-- Heavy Metal Music
-- Rock Music
-- KKK
-- Nazis
-- Skinheads
-- Scientology
-- Unification Church
-- The Way
-- Hare Krishna
-- Rajneesh
-- Religious Cults
-- New Age
-- Astrology
-- Channeling
-- Transcendental Meditation
-- Holistic Medicine
-- Buddhism
-- Hinduism
-- Mormonism
-- Islam
-- Orthodox Church
-- Roman Catholicism

-- c. WHAT IS "RITUAL" CHILD ABUSE?

Explains what it is and asks some good questions too.

One quote from it:

"The ritualistic activity and the child abuse may be integral parts
of some spiritual belief system. In that case the greatest risk is
to the children of the practitioners. But this is true of all cults
and religions, not just satanic cults. A high potential of abuse
exists for any children raised in a group isolated from the
mainstream of society, especially if the group has a charismatic
leader whose orders are unquestioned and blindly obeyed by the
members. Sex, money, and power are often the main motivations of the
leaders of such cults."

-- c. WHAT MAKES A CRIME SATANIC, OCCULT, OR RITUALISTIC?
Worth reading too.

-- d. WHY ARE VICTIMS ALLEGING THINGS THAT DO NOT SEEM TO BE TRUE?

"The most significant crimes being alleged that do not *seem* to be
true are the human sacrifice and cannibalism by organized satanic
cults. In none of the multidimensional child sex ring cases of which
I am aware have bodies of the murder victims been found - in spite
of major excavations where the abuse victims claim the bodies were
located. The alleged explanations for this include: the offenders
moved the bodies after the children left, the bodies were burned in
portable high-temperature ovens, the bodies were put in double-
decker graves under legitimately buried bodies, a mortician member
of the cult disposed of the bodies in a crematorium, the offenders
ate the bodies, the offenders used corpses and aborted fetuses, or
the power of Satan caused the bodies to disappear.

Not only are no bodies found, but also, more importantly, there is
no physical evidence that a murder took place. Many of those not in
law enforcement do not understand that, while it is possible to get
rid of a body, it is even more difficult to get rid of the physical
evidence that a murder took place, especially a human sacrifice
involving sex, blood, and mutilation. Such activity would leave
behind trace evidence that could be found using modern crime scene
processing techniques in spite of extraordinary efforts to clean it
up."

This one is gonna cause a debate:

The large number of people telling the same story is, in fact, the
biggest reason to doubt these stories. It is simply too difficult
for that many people to commit so many horrendous crimes as part of
an organized conspiracy. Two or three people murder a couple of
children in a few communities as part of a ritual, and nobody finds
out? Possible. Thousands of people do the same thing to tens of
thousands of victims over many years? Not likely. Hundreds of
communities all over America are run by mayors, police departments,
and community leaders who are practicing satanists and who regularly
murder and eat people? Not likely. In addition, these community
leaders and high-ranking officials also supposedly commit these
complex crimes leaving no evidence, and at the same time function as
leaders and managers while heavily involved in using illegal drugs.
Probably the closest documented example of this type of alleged
activity in American history is the Ku Klux Klan, which ironically
used Christianity, not satanism, to rationalize its activity but
which, as might be expected, was eventually infiltrated by
informants and betrayed by its members.

As stated, initially I was inclined to believe the allegations of
the victims. But as the cases poured in and the months and years
went by, I became more concerned about the lack of physical evidence
and corroboration for many of the more serious allegations. With
increasing frequency I began to ask the question: "Why are victims
alleging things that do not *seem* to be true?" Many possible
answers were considered.

The first possible answer is obvious: clever offenders. The
allegations may not seem to be true but they are true. The criminal
justice system lacks the knowledge, skill, and motivation to get to
the bottom of this crime conspiracy. The perpetrators of this crime
conspiracy are clever, cunning individuals using sophisticated mind
control and brainwashing techniques to control their victims. Law
enforcement does not know how to investigate these cases.

It is technically possible that these allegations of an organized
conspiracy involving taking over day care centers, abduction,
cannibalism, murder, and human sacrifice might be true. But if they
are true, they constitute one of the greatest crime conspiracies in
history.

Many people do not understand how difficult it is to commit a
conspiracy crime involving numerous co-conspirators. One clever and
cunning individual has a good chance of getting away with a well-
planned interpersonal crime. Bring one partner into the crime and
the odds of getting away with it drop considerably. The more people
involved in the crime, the harder it is to get away with it. Why?
Human nature is the answer. People get angry and jealous. They come
to resent the fact that another conspirator is getting "more" than
they. They get in trouble and want to make a deal for themselves by
informing on others.

If a group of individuals degenerate to the point of engaging in
human sacrifice, murder, and cannibalism, that would most likely be
the beginning of the end for such a group. The odds are that someone
in the group would have a problem with such acts and be unable to
maintain the secret.


-- a. PATHOLOGICAL DISTORTION.
From here starts the explanation to why some people talk about satanic abuse and so on.

Indeed, this is a report that might anger a lot of people who are firm believers in satanic sexual abuse, just like I am,
but thankfully I never get attached to any belief/theory to the point that I won't think about another possibility.
Kenneth or Ken Lanning has been accused of being an FBI agent who abducts children and is a satanist himself, which he also mentioned in the beginning of the book.
Whether or not he is "one of them" or not, is not the point. The point is that this report will make you think of this issue in a new way and maybe raise more questions,
like WHO IS BEHIND THESE ACCUSATIONS? A Christian group, conspiracy theorists or something completely different?


"In response to accusations by a few that I am a "satanist" who has
infiltrated the FBI to facilitate cover-up, how does anyone (or
should anyone have to) disprove such allegations? Although reluctant
to dignify such absurd accusations with a reply, all I can say to
those who have made such allegations that they are wrong and to
those who heard such allegations is to carefully consider the
source."

(I personally do not believe he is a satanist, or if he is, he does NOT consider himself to be one,
because it could be that what these people do is not even to them considered to be "satanic."
Just a thought after asking questions to my HS)

esse
02-05-2009, 04:36 PM
what's harder? Working this hard to convince yourself that monsters don't exist though granted, you admit they do... just not ones this bad -

or... the alternative???

Seeing what's going on

That truth is stranger than fiction.

Don't get hung up on words... satanic/satanism... reptilian, etc

"Occult" means hidden - why hide? That's a good question to ask. One can hide for protection or hide because what they are up to is not acceptable. Harming others, etc. Words are just man made labels right, but these words - satanic/reptilian are describing a spirit - you can see that as a class of beings, as an aspect of mind, a type of behavior people are capable of - some would describe it as demons, that which causes us to act in fear and delusion not love and awareness... You have to start somewhere in understanding... the unknown and unseen, the unexpected and difficult to digest. But like Morpheus said in the Matrix to Neo, it gnaws at you - this feeling that something is wrong. You try to justify and explain away that feeling, sugar coat it, yet it keeps on eating at you. What is that feeling telling you?
It's good to hear your own voice and instinct rather than just the politically correct intellectual diatribe we're groomed to give our energies to.

novymir
03-05-2009, 04:06 AM
what's harder? Working this hard to convince yourself that monsters don't exist though granted, you admit they do... just not ones this bad -

or... the alternative???

Seeing what's going on

That truth is stranger than fiction.

Don't get hung up on words... satanic/satanism... reptilian, etc

"Occult" means hidden - why hide? That's a good question to ask. One can hide for protection or hide because what they are up to is not acceptable. Harming others, etc. Words are just man made labels right, but these words - satanic/reptilian are describing a spirit - you can see that as a class of beings, as an aspect of mind, a type of behavior people are capable of - some would describe it as demons, that which causes us to act in fear and delusion not love and awareness... You have to start somewhere in understanding... the unknown and unseen, the unexpected and difficult to digest. But like Morpheus said in the Matrix to Neo, it gnaws at you - this feeling that something is wrong. You try to justify and explain away that feeling, sugar coat it, yet it keeps on eating at you. What is that feeling telling you?
It's good to hear your own voice and instinct rather than just the politically correct intellectual diatribe we're groomed to give our energies to.

True.

I've seen the "debunking" material before.

But, that material is meant for those who are still trapped within the false reality promoted by those who have a conflict of interest in maintaining the fraud.
I know better.

raquel
03-05-2009, 11:22 AM
I really think this whole list is stupid sorry.
I listened to black and death metal for over 19 years and i don't go around killing babies and animals. that's a complete stereotype. also the whole occult thing. whats so wrong with that? A little of your own magic and ritual making is good. It helps clear the mind and focus In my humble experience.

sade
03-05-2009, 03:06 PM
what's harder? Working this hard to convince yourself that monsters don't exist though granted, you admit they do... just not ones this bad -

or... the alternative???

Seeing what's going on

That truth is stranger than fiction.

Don't get hung up on words... satanic/satanism... reptilian, etc

"Occult" means hidden - why hide? That's a good question to ask. One can hide for protection or hide because what they are up to is not acceptable. Harming others, etc. Words are just man made labels right, but these words - satanic/reptilian are describing a spirit - you can see that as a class of beings, as an aspect of mind, a type of behavior people are capable of - some would describe it as demons, that which causes us to act in fear and delusion not love and awareness... You have to start somewhere in understanding... the unknown and unseen, the unexpected and difficult to digest. But like Morpheus said in the Matrix to Neo, it gnaws at you - this feeling that something is wrong. You try to justify and explain away that feeling, sugar coat it, yet it keeps on eating at you. What is that feeling telling you?
It's good to hear your own voice and instinct rather than just the politically correct intellectual diatribe we're groomed to give our energies to.

Let's see if I got this right...Are you telling me Im trying to convince myself that things like these do not happen? If so, then you are very wrong.
I know Satanic abuse is 100% real and I have never tried to deny it. WHAT I am trying to say/deny is that Hillary Clinton/Cheney/Bush and the other politicians are involved in such things. But do I know this for sure? Of course not. I am trying to find the truth, just like everyone else on this forum. Is MK real? Of course it is, we have PROOF of it. But do we have PROOF that the elitists have sex with children and do ritual sacrifices? No. Just people talking, just like in the 80's.

If you even bothered to read the report, you would have noticed that it is clearly explained how human sacrifices do NOT go unnoticed because of the tools used today. But sadly the immediate reaction to such common knowledge from a conspiracy theorist who wants to believe everything, is to say that all the police-men and etc are involved in it. How easy that is...

It's unbeliavable how soft the conspiracy-theory folks have gotten that they believe anything if it's just EVIL enough.
Thankfully though the Truth always comes out, so if Hillary and the other tools are involved in Satanic abuse...It will come out.

Until then, Im going to continue looking behind this smoking mirror.

esse
04-05-2009, 01:46 AM
Where does MK Ultra come from??? The government.
Who runs that - Elite Bloodlines, Skull & Bones, Secret Societies whose occult nature can be researched and evidenced.

To Raq - I didn't say all occult was "bad" or satanic. What I said is that occult means hidden and that there are basically 2 different motives beings have to hide. There is a good side to occult, but it doesn't involve satanism.

It's not a smoking mirror - and why assume I didn't read your post through, I did. Assumptions and knee jerk reactions, like saying or insinuating "conspiracy theorists who believe everything" :0 ! Well, there is another great blanket stereotype too easy to lob around to attempt to discredit and distract - how many times have we all heard that one. I have heard of these people "conspiracy theorists" the funny thing is most of the people I know who research hidden agendas don't fit the bill. I prefer the word historian. Any good one researches their subject matter quite tirelessly and always separates fact from theory - why I like Icke :)

"We don't know Hillary Clinton, etc" rape children etc - all we have is stories... ??? No. We have the order of skull and bones, we have bohemian grove. we have mk ultra, project paperclip, bilderberg, club of rome, occult societies going back to Egypt and Babylon and for who knows how long before - a language of symbols and secrecy, links to the vatican, rampant child abuse in the church, cases like the mcmartin preschool where underground tunnels with ritual regalia were discovered beneath a preschool leading to a house down the road where children were abused and brought for prostitution to secret society members and high profile politicians, actors, legal system etc... We have boystown... We have the ritual killing of Diana and so many others, problem reaction solution, created patsy's and the ritual aspect of that i.e. George W reading a book about a goat when 9-11 was happening... The examples of this stuff are tooo many to list... As for police and satanism, or the legal profession - one only has to understand the symbolic language of these secret societies - it is all over their uniforms and identifying logos, paperwork - beyond this an energy implemented into their activities at every level -
I don't believe everything I read or hear, I believe what I can no longer help but see.
It gets a little difficult to close your eyes as time goes by and you connect the dots.

I appreciate what you said about the truth will come out... but I'd go one step further and point out that the truth IS out yet the problem we face largely - our race, is that many don't want to accept the truth as the truth is not very comfortable. I believe when people take responsibility and step up to do so and this in turn leads them to start dealing with the truth, the world will become much more comfortable.

hirschfelder
04-05-2009, 10:19 PM
SRA seems to be one of those things people like to 'debunk'.

The Skeptic dictionary website thing even has a piece on it. They say there's no 'hard' evidence (when they use an adjective in front of the word evidence you know they're struggling). Yet the Met police sends officers on training courses to learn to identify it?

nikki_miaow
12-05-2009, 01:42 AM
I listened to black and death metal for over 19 years and i don't go around killing babies and animals. that's a complete stereotype. also the whole occult thing. whats so wrong with that? A little of your own magic and ritual making is good. It helps clear the mind and focus In my humble experience.

Same here. It gets on my nerves, to be honest.

esse
12-05-2009, 09:02 AM
and exactly what does black death metal have to do with MK Ultra or SRA? I think they'd more likely be playing you Disney movies :)

supertzar
14-05-2009, 06:19 PM
I have seen Ted Gunderson's training manual for law enforcement officers and he gives numerous examples of ritual crimes with evidence. Many of the cases are hushed up to "not to cause panic in the populace."

alexc
29-04-2010, 08:59 PM
I have seen Ted Gunderson's training manual for law enforcement officers and he gives numerous examples of ritual crimes with evidence. Many of the cases are hushed up to "not to cause panic in the populace."

Exactly.

TPTB are covering up the satanic murders to avoid a panic, which just makes people MORE vulnerable and MORE tolerant of satanic covers like Wicca and neo-pagans.

rapunzel
30-04-2010, 09:38 PM
Exactly.

TPTB are covering up the satanic murders to avoid a panic, which just makes people MORE vulnerable and MORE tolerant of satanic covers like Wicca and neo-pagans.

Dangerous nonsense. Wicca and neo-Paganism have nothing to do with satanism, you clot.

alexc
03-05-2010, 05:04 PM
Dangerous nonsense. Wicca and neo-Paganism have nothing to do with satanism, you clot.

Your quote is DAMNED nonsense and I did not choose that word lightly. Being blind to the Satanic nature of anti-God movements is going to doom your very soul to the pit of fire.

eternal_spirit
03-05-2010, 06:08 PM
Your quote is DAMNED nonsense and I did not choose that word lightly. Being blind to the Satanic nature of anti-God movements is going to doom your very soul to the pit of fire.

Is that from Monty Python?:D What you said could be mistaken for sarcasm.

rapunzel
03-05-2010, 07:27 PM
Your quote is DAMNED nonsense and I did not choose that word lightly. Being blind to the Satanic nature of anti-God movements is going to doom your very soul to the pit of fire.

As a Wiccan for over 30 years I think I'd have noticed by now that I was really worshipping Satan. Strangely I haven't. :rolleyes: And Wicca is not anti-God if by God you mean the Israelite Deity. Wiccans worship the Creator of the Universe who is far above national Deities such as Yahweh but perhaps you haven't reached that Truth yet.

eternal1stparty
05-05-2010, 10:16 PM
The Lanning Report is load of pig shit if you ask me. Written by the same people it claims "do not exist".

alexc
05-05-2010, 11:03 PM
As a Wiccan for over 30 years I think I'd have noticed by now that I was really worshipping Satan. Strangely I haven't. :rolleyes: And Wicca is not anti-God if by God you mean the Israelite Deity. Wiccans worship the Creator of the Universe who is far above national Deities such as Yahweh but perhaps you haven't reached that Truth yet.

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/images/0179.jpg

How can witches worship Satan if they don't believe that he exists? (http://www.chick.com/information/religions/wicca/witches.asp)
Bill Schnoebelen thought Wicca was a harmless nature-worshipping religion. But once he got on the inside, he learned from 16 years of personal experience that Wicca is not what it seems!

Available below are two chapters from his book, "Wicca." The first is his introduction, containing his basic premise that the difference between Wicca and satanism is actually non-existent. In the second, he gives conclusions drawn from years of experience in Wicca.

If you still have questions, you will want to read his book, with 200 pages of proof that Wicca is not what it claims to be, and why you need to get OUT!

I was a sold-out, goddess-worshipping witch! (http://www.chick.com/reading/books/179/179intro.asp)

Satan's hoofprints are all over Wicca! (http://www.chick.com/reading/books/179/179concl.asp)

alexc
06-05-2010, 10:15 PM
What we really need to do is research the connection Lanning has to Satanism. They wouldn't have claimed it was fake unless they had ties that gave them a reason to lie about it.

rapunzel
07-05-2010, 05:51 PM
http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/images/0179.jpg

How can witches worship Satan if they don't believe that he exists? (http://www.chick.com/information/religions/wicca/witches.asp)


I was a sold-out, goddess-worshipping witch! (http://www.chick.com/reading/books/179/179intro.asp)

Satan's hoofprints are all over Wicca! (http://www.chick.com/reading/books/179/179concl.asp)

Oh puleeeese! Bill Schoebelen, the most discredited man alive. The man who claims to have been a 90th Degree Mason” (Ancient Egyptian Rite of Memphis-Misraim) ex-Illuminati member, ex-Vampire, 9th degree York Rite Freemason, Rosicrucian, Wiccan High Priest, Witch, Spiritualist Minister, Knight Templar, Druidic High Priest, Satanic Priest, Catholic Priest, Bishop and Satanic Warlock, many of them at the same time. Oh yes, I forgot, he's now claiming to have been a vampire as well. Note, he has been discredited by the Christians he fooled but he makes a good living out of these sort of books and DVDs etc.

alexc
13-09-2010, 06:26 PM
Your fucking stupid, please, do the world a favor and kill yourself already.

Thank you for demonstrating the psychotic nature of both Communists and Satanists with your hate filled, fact free drivel.