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shodan
13-04-2009, 12:51 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5144775/Bouncers-hired-by-schools-as-crowd-control.html


Bouncers hired by schools as 'crowd control' Nightclub bouncers, former soldiers and ex-policemen are being hired by schools to provide "crowd control" in classrooms, according to teachers.



By Graeme Paton, Education Editor
Last Updated: 3:32PM BST 12 Apr 2009

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They are being employed as teaching assistants to cover permanent staff when they are off sick, it was claimed.
The National Union of Teachers - Britain's biggest classroom union - said schools were turning to people with no teaching experience just because they were "stern and loud".


It comes amid growing concerns over a breakdown in school discipline with claims last week that as many as one in four teachers has been a victim of violent pupils in the last year.
A Government report being published on Wednesday will recommend that schools should make more use of "withdrawal rooms" - likened to solitary confinement 'coolers' by some - to control disruptive children.
At the NUT's annual conference on Sunday it emerged that one headteacher had permanently hired two bouncers from an employment agency as "cover supervisors" to take classes when regular teachers were absent.
They were taken on by a comprehensive in north London for around £20,000 each - half the cost of fully qualified supply staff. One of the bouncers later left after disciplinary action was taken when he fell out with other teachers, it was claimed.
Speaking at the conference, Andrew Baisley, a teacher from Camden, said other schools were advertising for classroom assistants with military and police backgrounds.
"It is about crowd control and childminding," he said. "If you are stern and loud, that's what's necessary to do the job."
He added: "The problem is we need someone who's trained with children, to be able to interact with children. If someone is away, you don't want any teacher, you want a teacher from that particular subject so they can help them children with their work, so that the whole hour isn't a complete waste of time."
Mr Baisley refused to name the school involved but one employment agency in Birmingham - called Aspire People - has advertised for people who are "an ex-marine, prison officer, bouncer, policeman, fireman, sportsman [or] actor" to "get involved in a school environment and control the kids in schools throughout the Midlands".
A state school in Tower Hamlets, east London, also hired a teacher with experience as a nightclub bouncer as its new behavioural expert.
Schools are officially banned from leaving normal teaching assistants in charge of lessons, but the NUT claim this is widely ignored. At the union's annual conference in Cardiff, activists condemned the move as "education on the cheap".
It came as ministers prepared to publish new guidance on Wednesday to help schools control bad behaviour in the classroom.
The report - by Sir Alan Steer, head of Seven Kings High School, Ilford - will call for more schools to open isolation units to tackle "low level disruption, where it is preventing the whole class from learning".
Under plans which are already used in some schools, children are placed in rooms for hours at a time without other pupils or proper teaching to punish bad behaviour.
It will also recommend further use of new powers to search pupils for weapons and the imposition of "parenting contracts" to make mothers and fathers accountable for children's bad behaviour.
Ed Balls, the Schools Secretary, said: "It is unacceptable for a pupil to disrupt the learning and teaching of an entire class. Pupils need to know that when certain boundaries are crossed they will have to bear the consequences, that when they disrupt their classmate's learning they will be held accountable - withdrawal rooms are one way of doing this which I have seen for myself and discussed with head teachers."

shuri
13-04-2009, 02:54 AM
I have a compromise. Quit making kids go to school and they will quit harassing teachers. It's rather simple psychology. If you force someone into a situation they don't want to be in, of course they're going to react accordingly. If you corner a gorilla, it's going to attack. If you corner a kid, they're going to rebel. Negative "reinforcement" only reinforces that urge to rebel. I'll never settle down because someone's yelling at me or trying to intimidate me- that only adds to a hostile environment. I work through discussion and compromise. And, fortunately, that has worked at my school- I work through a home based program in which I only attend school for two periods and do the rest of my work independently. But I know some kids aren't provided these sorts of alternatives, and bringing bouncers and ex-prison guards into the situation only successfully reaps two results: first, proof that school is basically a prison, and second, kids will be even more incited to riot due to the guarded atmosphere of the classroom. Only a broken, defeated human refuses to resist the chains holding her back: anyone healthy and whole will fight against them with all their might.
The educational system falls farther and farther behind the times every day. I wonder how so few people see it for the archaic and outdated conditioning program it is. You would think they would at least update it with something more effective at brainwashing: I don't remember anything from my freshman year and I expect to forget everything I learned in high school by the end of next year, once I'm out. :]

void
13-04-2009, 03:06 AM
Polish Police, knowing how popular Disney characters are among class 5 of the Gdansk Primary school, use black ops "Psychological Sedation" tactics as they go in to break up a mass class squabble over who can use the hobby horse during breaktime.

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serenevasaline
13-04-2009, 03:17 AM
The reasons things are so terrible in camden schools go beyond the education system. london seems to be at boiling point. It's mad down there. Kid's in Camden go to school in stab vests.

It's all well and good saying we shouldn't MAKE kids go to school, but what happens right now ? What is a realistic solution? Personally, if I had kid's in London, I would prolly take them out of mainstream education until it becomes a little safer. I was forced to go to school, but I never attacked a teacher. Teachers are not the reason that kid's are going nut's. It's the whole system of the way we live that is doing that. When we lived in london, my sister came home and said that a boy had grabbed one of her female teachers lady bits. She apparently was crying. She , by rights, shoul;d of been allowed to go nuts at that kid, but no, she had to sit and cry and look like a complete moron while the kids laughed at her.

Kid's are getting out of control. Not all of them, not even half of them, but theere is something lacking in the way we are teaching kid's to grow in to good adults. I'm guessing its all the advertising and media that we are allowing to change them. And prolly the fluride and chem trails. lol. Oh, and the e numbers. But whatever it is, it needs to be sorted.

shuri
13-04-2009, 05:16 AM
...theere is something lacking in the way we are teaching kid's to grow in to good adults. I'm guessing its all the advertising and media that we are allowing to change them. And prolly the fluride and chem trails. lol. Oh, and the e numbers. But whatever it is, it needs to be sorted.
And maybe the mainstream educational system which fails to teach kids anything except how to be loud and obnoxious in order to get your way? And I would have to say that it is, in part, the teachers that drive kids crazy. I know I've had teachers that have gotten so under my skin I've wanted to run out of the classroom or kick a wall or something. Last week I was in my Algebra II class (which I disdain because it's useless and I can barely follow the course) and one of the students yelled a racial slur at another, and I look over at the teacher and he's talking on his cell phone, allowing it all to happen. Chances are if he hadn't been on his cell phone, or if he had cared in the slightest since this teacher happens to be openly sexist and racist (but he has tenure, so who cares, right?), he would have yelled at them BOTH and allotted arbitrary punishments that would have made no sense and wouldn't have addressed the actual issue. Bad behavior is learned. If it's ignored or addressed improperly, it only gets worse. If kids are exhibiting bad behavior, they must be getting it somewhere, and it must be being handled poorly. Where do the majority of kids spend most of their time? How about, five to seven hours of the day, plus?
School is (one of) the problems; poor student behavior is just a symptom of the student's environment. Home life and finances and other aspects of a kid's life can contribute as well, but I'd say it's pretty clear that the "educational" system isn't interested in helping if it is resorting to using the same aggressive tactics it so deplores in students.
By the way, both of my parents are teachers, and the only reason I can even manage to half-communicate with them in any respectable manner is because I always have to take the higher ground and use logic while they're yelling at me and trying to scare me into submission. This is the same strategy they use to bring their students under control. Problem is, NO ONE should be "under control." People are naturally free. That goes for kids, too. It's ageism to claim otherwise. Natural rights don't come to you when you graduate or once you've reached some imaginary age-number. School strips kids of their natural right to freedom by placing them under the lock and key of the classroom. It's easy to see why kids abhor it and rebel. There's no CHOICE in the matter on their part, and when they finally do have the choice to leave school or not go on to college, it becomes a fear game where they're threatened with a lifetime of misery and disappointment if they don't follow the beaten path, which school has been conditioning them to follow since they were children anyway. It's all a circular system of oppression, and everyone from the principle to the teachers and eventually the students themselves play a part in it, even if it is unwittingly for the most part.

I realize I didn't really answer the question as to what can happen NOW, because that's pretty obvious to me. No one has to make me go to school tomorrow morning. They WILL, because they THINK they do, or even because they just WANT to, but no one has to. So what needs to happen now is one of the things my friends and I have been trying to get out there in my town: education among the kids on why the fear-system perpetuated by the schools is a lie, all of the alternatives to mainstream schooling there are, and why school is not only ineffective in actually teaching kids academics, but also why it hurts us personally and emotionally. We speak from the point of view of kids who are being forced to go to school. There can be nothing more true than that. Of course, this isn't the final step to correcting the problem, but it's a step nonetheless. We can't stop school officials from harassing us yet, but we can educate ourselves on what we can do to avoid that harassment in every way currently possible- one of which is to abstain from harassing school officials back. Like I said before, a student, unfortunately, has to take the high road with their teachers, because often the teachers are too immature or indifferent to apply logic and empathy to their work.

As an aside, it's worth noting that in my school, we're not even allowed to read novels for English class anymore- whatever we read, it has to be straight out of the Literature textbook. Yeah, way to allow us to expand our minds with writings outside of the standard. :/

metacomet
13-04-2009, 05:43 AM
Bouncers? Pff.

The bigger kids will see it as a challenge.

You can't scare violent people with the threat of violence. It just excites them.

ritchs
13-04-2009, 11:09 AM
How nice, 'rent-a-thugs'

meksar
13-04-2009, 11:43 AM
The Masonic/Common Purpose agenda for this unjust society is going according to plan. They let Schools in the inner city's become so awful that a "generous" investor steps in to clean up the mess. So these City Academies for example will have better equipment and facilities, but more surveillance and totalitarian measures. The education system itself is a worthless piece of shit anyway, just be a good dog and tell the teacher and exam marker what the elite want you to believe.

monkeyboy
13-04-2009, 05:58 PM
I worked in a school in gateshead and they employed two former police officers in about 2007.they also had cctv placed everyehere in the school exept classrooms because the teachers kicked off because they thought that they would get caught watching dvd`s instead of educating the students. so this has been going on for some time we just dont hear about it.well i mean that is not news, is it?

belial
13-04-2009, 06:17 PM
I know a lot of bouncers... especially as I work as one myself.

No respectable 'doorman' would work as a 'teacher' as this daily-mail-trash 'article' 'implies'.

(Similar bullshit here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169416/Schools-hiring-bouncers-instead-supply-teachers-cover-lessons.html)

This is lies-lies... and more lies.

Move on... nothing more to see here. :)

swirly
13-04-2009, 06:52 PM
i feel so desperatly sorry and frustrated for our children! What are we allowing?how can we cart off our children to these day prisons where they are forced to 'remember' things (because thats what the system is,not real education, just getting them to remember things!) my partners daughter attends a middle school in staffordshire and they have a regular sock inspection...yes,a sock inspection!only plain black or blue socks allowed!the world has gone mad! she is threatened with a detention or a call home-she stands there in her purposely chosen flourecent orange socks and wills them to call her father as he definatley has something to say regarding how the colour of his daughters socks effect her ability to learn!!!!!!!why do the teachers allow these rules! it all needs changing!!!!