What worries you most about Masons? [Archive] - Page 2

dusthead

18-04-2009, 06:12 PM

I think their massage finally got you!!!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g222/pma1963/Cheney_and_Bush_Borg.jpg

I'm still not sure what any of this means.

The man on the right is no longer doing anything beyond having shoes thrown at him. However, I recognise the Borg all too well - 7 of 9 was quite handy back in the day.

I have not had a massage in recent memory. Maybe I'll call up 7 of 9 and rectify the situation.

flyermay

18-04-2009, 08:46 PM

I'm still not sure what any of this means.

The man on the right is no longer doing anything beyond having shoes thrown at him. However, I recognise the Borg all too well - 7 of 9 was quite handy back in the day.

I have not had a massage in recent memory. Maybe I'll call up 7 of 9 and rectify the situation.

:rolleyes:Mmmmmmm.... 7 of 9; with borgs like her resistance would be indeed futile!!!

(Sorry, I couldn't find a recent pictures. What about this one?)

http://granitegrok.com/pix/ObamaBorg.jpg

lightgiver

18-04-2009, 09:47 PM

All internet forums are a waste of time - It's the social equivalent of playing Tetris.

If the 'Ikeans' are proved right we are all doomed. This begs the question, why devote your life to researching something that can only be proved in the event of mankind going down the toilet?

There are those who will say that they are trying to enlighten people to avoid this catastophe. If they succeed, then everyone will say 'Remember when that David Icke bloke said we would all be under mind control and the New World Order would take over? How wrong was he?!'

I don't get it.

If you do not mind me asking if internet forums are boring,what are you doing here:confused:

I do not get it.:D

I think this forum is quite Informative apart from the shills and insults.

Each to their own I suppose.

watson_k

19-04-2009, 03:14 AM

I worry that most will believe any bullshit as long as it sounds viable to themselves.

Just the way people that reckon symbols are in your face all day are evil, even though the written word is a symbol.

Ooh, a snake biting it's own tail, it couldn't possibly mean infinity. Perhaps on a gold Key, Gold being the metal of the Spirit, Key unlocking the Door to the spirit. With this key on a chain around a young woman, the woman symbolizing (mother)Nature, meaning the Key to Unlocking the secrets of the Infinite Spirit is to study Nature/Natures Laws? Is it really that simple?

Just because information is kept secret, doesn't mean it evil.

dusthead

19-04-2009, 09:09 AM

If you do not mind me asking if internet forums are boring,what are you doing here:confused:

I do not get it.:D

I think this forum is quite Informative apart from the shills and insults.

Each to their own I suppose.

They are not boring, they are a waste of time! - like Tetris.

www.davidicke.com is anything but boring. However, I am fully aware that I should get out more.

lightgiver

19-04-2009, 06:27 PM

They are not boring, they are a waste of time! - like Tetris.

www.davidicke.com is anything but boring. However, I am fully aware that I should get out more.

So if they are a waste of time why are you wasting time here:confused:

tanya_suzanne

19-04-2009, 07:25 PM

We know all that tosh. We have debated it ad nauseum on this forum much to the annoyance of the vast majority here who are non-Masons.

This is NOT a Masonic Forum. This discussion is for elsewhere. I have sent you a private message.

Just so nobody misunderstands. This new member to the forum wants you to know that he is a member of the Moderns system of freemasonry, under the jurisdiction of The United Grand Lodge of England, constituted in 1813. The United Grand Lodge of England does not "recognise" The Grand Lodge of All England.

I say again, The United Grand Lodge does not "recognise" The Grand Lodge of All England, thank God. I feel sure that you are all as devastated as I am.

We do not allow our respective members to attend each other's Lodges because the Masonic systems are wholly incompatible.

Got it? Great. Now we can get back to the conspiracy theories.

Yours sincerely

thid gut

The problem with GS is hes try to seek approvel off UGLE members about his club, be he wont, even IF as he says hes was once in the UGLE, he now is a cowan and has no rights to our ritual.

I dont think he has ever been a freemason from what he is saying and any UGLE mason would be able to tell, from what he says.

tanya_suzanne

19-04-2009, 07:29 PM

Pill - ock

GS you are not a freemason, do I need to say any more?

I cant honestly think of any way that you could be a freemason, I think your taking the pi*s out of every one here, this is not of a PM at all:confused:

liquidswords

19-04-2009, 10:58 PM

Stonecutters > Freemasons.

They're probably more evil and luciferian too. :)

dusthead

20-04-2009, 10:55 AM

So if they are a waste of time why are you wasting time here:confused:

I have already explained this microscopic issue in some detail (three times including this one).

It's like playing Tetris. Utterly pointless but strangely addictive.

There are lots of other things we do that are a 'waste of time' - watching films we have already seen for nostalgic reasons, reading online reviews of 'stuff' to see if people agree with us etc...

Facebook and Twitter are massive wastes of time, but millions use them everyday.

See also - smoking, sudoku, crossword puzzles and every computer game ever invented.

Have I made this any clearer?

grandsecretary

20-04-2009, 12:11 PM

GS you are not a freemason, do I need to say any more?

I cant honestly think of any way that you could be a freemason, I think your taking the pi*s out of every one here, this is not of a PM at all:confused:

I am afraid that you are obviously very new, even to Moderns freemasonry. I can tell by the way you express yourself in the first flush of enthusiasm for what you have been told.

Perhaps you can tell us on whose authority the Moderns claim to be the one and only true freemasonry?

lightgiver

20-04-2009, 09:42 PM

I have already explained this microscopic issue in some detail (three times including this one).

It's like playing Tetris. Utterly pointless but strangely addictive.

There are lots of other things we do that are a 'waste of time' - watching films we have already seen for nostalgic reasons, reading online reviews of 'stuff' to see if people agree with us etc...

Facebook and Twitter are massive wastes of time, but millions use them everyday.

See also - smoking, sudoku, crossword puzzles and every computer game ever invented.

Have I made this any clearer?

Why do you go and watch a sunset then if they(everything ) are a waste of time? because maybe a lot do not find them a waste of time but Informative.D Icke as informed a lot of people of what is going on behind the scenes ,which in turn could improve the quality of someone's life depending what angle you are looking at it,not everyone's cup of tea like some may not like football or even life come to think of it because at the end of this we all just die;)

Its your opinion fair enough,but if they were that boring or waste of time you would not be on here.

half of the things we all do could be considered monotonous but that is freedom of choice.:)whether its a waste of time are not.

But yes people do suffer from OCDs and addictions but I would not consider Forums as addictive as smoking or heroin.

dusthead

20-04-2009, 11:11 PM

But yes people do suffer from OCDs and addictions but I would not consider Forums as addictive as smoking or heroin.

Aaah, then you are truly enlightened.

The rest of us sit here typing away, desperate to win the argumement but NO!!!!! it always goes wrong - Like Tetris (my favourite quote have you noticed?)

You are a Mr Miyagi to my Luke Skywalker in 'The Empire Strikes Back'.

I gave up cigarettes two months ago and my teeth grind like a big grinding thing.

Maybe I should take heroin. I've never stolen a wide screen telly before.

grandsecretary

20-04-2009, 11:42 PM

Aaah, then you are truly enlightened.

The rest of us sit here typing away, desperate to win the argumement but NO!!!!! it always goes wrong - Like Tetris (my favourite quote have you noticed?)

You are a Mr Miyagi to my Luke Skywalker in 'The Empire Strikes Back'.

I gave up cigarettes two months ago and my teeth grind like a big grinding thing.

Maybe I should take heroin. I've never stolen a wide screen telly before.

Congratulations on giving smoking up. It isn't easy, but it is worth it. Your health comes first. You only have one set of lungs. I wish you every success.

serpentseed

21-04-2009, 12:00 AM

The fact that they worship lucifer and willingly invoke him to gain their powers yet claim to serve god and yet the lord that they serve is the one who tries to bind our spirits. The repitillian entitiy behind the illuminati.
The brazen satan
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/serpent_tribe/images/clausen_bs_jewel.jpg

That and they trick people into invokation.

grandsecretary

21-04-2009, 12:30 AM

The fact that they worship lucifer and willingly invoke him to gain their powers yet claim to serve god and yet the lord that they serve is the one who tries to bind our spirits. The repitillian entitiy behind the illuminati.
The brazen satan
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/serpent_tribe/images/clausen_bs_jewel.jpg

That and they trick people into invokation.

No, I asked you specifically who tricked you, and where? The "they" in "they worship lucifer" is key to your accusation. If you have been tricked by a particular satanic sect, then we need to know the details if we are to make comment or give advice.

lightgiver

21-04-2009, 12:39 AM

Aaah, then you are truly enlightened.

The rest of us sit here typing away, desperate to win the argumement but NO!!!!! it always goes wrong - Like Tetris (my favourite quote have you noticed?)

You are a Mr Miyagi to my Luke Skywalker in 'The Empire Strikes Back'.

I gave up cigarettes two months ago and my teeth grind like a big grinding thing.

Maybe I should take heroin. I've never stolen a wide screen telly before.

No do not take any substances :eek: ;) and never steal a TV,to much brainwashing;)

But yes agreed:) you stick at it as GS says(health will improve), cigarettes apparently are as addictive as heroin:eek:

peace and good night LG:)

Good post BTW.

watson_k

21-04-2009, 12:58 AM

The fact that they worship lucifer and willingly invoke him to gain their powers yet claim to serve god and yet the lord that they serve is the one who tries to bind our spirits. The repitillian entitiy behind the illuminati.

The original meaning of Lucifer is Light Bringer is it not? Have you not read the quote where it says Jesus is a Lucifer? What's with all this tripe. Lucifer is the fallen Angel. The devil is a different entity all together, if we're doing Christian works now.

Illuminati, I don't care what the people that follow this these days. The original meaning is Illuminated One. So they (at least used to) Illuminate the Path for the ones in the Dark.

In this sense, yes Illuminati are Lucifarians. So is the friggin Sun. Go hide from skin cancer now.

When ancients called someone Reptillian, it was because they had such an evil presence about them. So cold hearted that they were 'Reptile like'. Basically a selfish jerk. Which is why 'The Golden Rule' is the main rule of Christianity (Don't confuse with the 10 commandments which is Jewish). It was the main reason of 'Defeating the selfish ego' in Buddhism.

runciter

21-04-2009, 08:48 AM

The original meaning of Lucifer is Light Bringer is it not? Have you not read the quote where it says Jesus is a Lucifer? What's with all this tripe. Lucifer is the fallen Angel. The devil is a different entity all together, if we're doing Christian works now.

Illuminati, I don't care what the people that follow this these days. The original meaning is Illuminated One. So they (at least used to) Illuminate the Path for the ones in the Dark.

In this sense, yes Illuminati are Lucifarians. So is the friggin Sun. Go hide from skin cancer now.

When ancients called someone Reptillian, it was because they had such an evil presence about them. So cold hearted that they were 'Reptile like'. Basically a selfish jerk. Which is why 'The Golden Rule' is the main rule of Christianity (Don't confuse with the 10 commandments which is Jewish). It was the main reason of 'Defeating the selfish ego' in Buddhism.

spot the difference between light bringer and light giver.

the sun shines for everyone, not only for the elitist initiates.

the illuminati throw people into darkness, then ask for their soul.

boots

21-04-2009, 09:20 AM

The original meaning of Lucifer is Light Bringer is it not? Have you not read the quote where it says Jesus is a Lucifer? What's with all this tripe. Lucifer is the fallen Angel. The devil is a different entity all together, if we're doing Christian works now.

Illuminati, I don't care what the people that follow this these days. The original meaning is Illuminated One. So they (at least used to) Illuminate the Path for the ones in the Dark.

In this sense, yes Illuminati are Lucifarians. So is the friggin Sun. Go hide from skin cancer now.

When ancients called someone Reptillian, it was because they had such an evil presence about them. So cold hearted that they were 'Reptile like'. Basically a selfish jerk. Which is why 'The Golden Rule' is the main rule of Christianity (Don't confuse with the 10 commandments which is Jewish). It was the main reason of 'Defeating the selfish ego' in Buddhism.

So where do the ancient's specifically call evil ones reptilian's or reptile like? Show the fact's from text's?

Do you consider the Illuminati bloodlines to be bringer's of light?

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runciter

21-04-2009, 09:24 AM

the light is knowledge, knowledge about mind control and domination.

in reality there is no secret, the only secret is that it's all about control.

boots

21-04-2009, 10:15 AM

the light is knowledge, knowledge about mind control and domination.

in reality there is no secret, the only secret is that it's all about control.

Agreed.

The knowledge is compartmentalized. Those at the top wont let the lesser degree's know the control they have over them.

.

thelonious

21-04-2009, 05:56 PM

Perhaps you can tell us on whose authority the Moderns claim to be the one and only true freemasonry?

One of the problems that is causing confusing is that you keep referring to the older traditional fraternity as "the Moderns", which is a misnomer.

It is true that the Grand Lodge founded in 1717 were called "Moderns" by the Athol Lodges, who called themselves "Antients". But the Antients and Moderns merged their Grand Lodges in England, giving birth to the UGLE. Similar mergers occured in the USA at the same time.

As I've stated before, I don't have anything against you or your organization, and I too am a critic of Freemasonry from the inside. But I do believe that some of your terminology is intentionally confusing to non-Masons, not the least of which is your calling us "Moderns" when in fact it is your organization that is "modern", having been formed in 2005.

grandsecretary

21-04-2009, 08:50 PM

One of the problems that is causing confusing is that you keep referring to the older traditional fraternity as "the Moderns", which is a misnomer.

It is true that the Grand Lodge founded in 1717 were called "Moderns" by the Athol Lodges, who called themselves "Antients". But the Antients and Moderns merged their Grand Lodges in England, giving birth to the UGLE. Similar mergers occured in the USA at the same time.

As I've stated before, I don't have anything against you or your organization, and I too am a critic of Freemasonry from the inside. But I do believe that some of your terminology is intentionally confusing to non-Masons, not the least of which is your calling us "Moderns" when in fact it is your organization that is "modern", having been formed in 2005.

Not so. This Grand Lodge is a revival of the original form, using the original Constitutions of Free Masonry which date from AD 926, and for your information, our Masonic Holy Orders have been continuous and unbroken in England, since long before Athelstan.

You have never been involved with Holy Orders. Without Holy Orders there can be no Free Masonry, only the Moderns form of freemasonry.

Your Rosicrucian system of freemasonry is the Moderns form. The Antients (1751) post-dated the Grand Lodge of London (1723) and it is more modern than the Moderns. Your claim, not ours. The United Grand Lodge of England is even more Modern, being formed as late as 1813.

It is not confusing. We always refer to "the Moderns system of freemasonry", which includes many other Grand Lodges other than yours, including the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons according to the Old Institution, The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, The Grand Orient of France etc., etc.

Ancient York Masonry is the only system that can make truthful claim of the word Ancient in this context.

thelonious

21-04-2009, 09:08 PM

Not so. This Grand Lodge is a revival of the original form, using the original Constitutions of Free Masonry which date from AD 926, and for your information, our Masonic Holy Orders have been continuous and unbroken in England, since long before Athelstan.

That is an interesting claim....but where's the proof?

There is a general consensus among historians that the tale of the York Assembly in 926 is apocryphal and legendary, not an actual historical occurence. As for thr Regius Mss. itself, no one in Masonry knew anything about it until Halliwell, a non-Mason, "discovered" it in the 1830's.

I'm not interested in getting into another pissing contest about this again, but to me, your claim that your version of Freemasonry goes back to ancient York, and that it possesses Holy Orders pre-Athelstan, isn't very much different from the Rite of Memphis people in the 19th century, claiming to be direct line descendents from ancient Egyptian hierophants and priests.

Even if your Grand Lodge can claim lineage from the original Grand Lodge of All England that was formed after the premiere Grand Lodge of 1717, it would still make your system more "modern" than the UGLE, and even at that, I don't see any lineage other than similar disagreements with the premiere body.

grandsecretary

21-04-2009, 09:41 PM

That is an interesting claim....but where's the proof?

There is a general consensus among historians that the tale of the York Assembly in 926 is apocryphal and legendary, not an actual historical occurence. As for thr Regius Mss. itself, no one in Masonry knew anything about it until Halliwell, a non-Mason, "discovered" it in the 1830's.

I'm not interested in getting into another pissing contest about this again, but to me, your claim that your version of Freemasonry goes back to ancient York, and that it possesses Holy Orders pre-Athelstan, isn't very much different from the Rite of Memphis people in the 19th century, claiming to be direct line descendents from ancient Egyptian hierophants and priests.

Even if your Grand Lodge can claim lineage from the original Grand Lodge of All England that was formed after the premiere Grand Lodge of 1717, it would still make your system more "modern" than the UGLE, and even at that, I don't see any lineage other than similar disagreements with the premiere body.

Concrete and irrefutable proof is provided to each Mason for the Holy Orders. I am sorry but I cannot help you if you refuse to consider Free Masonry in England prior to 1723.

Was Elias Ashmole a speculative Free Mason? Of course he was. We know that he was initiated in Kermincham and swore his Sacred Masonic Oath on a hand written copy of our Constitutions of Masonrie. We know EXACTLY the words that were used. The actual manuscript copy itself, used for his initiation still exists. Ashmole died in 1692, 25 years before the alleged meeting at the Goose and Gridiron (1717). This is English history. It could not be clearer, and it cannot be denied. To attempt to do so cannot engender confidence in anything else that is claimed.

thelonious

21-04-2009, 09:49 PM

Concrete and irrefutable proof is provided to each Mason for the Holy Orders.

So said the "priests" of the Rite of Memphis.

Until, of course, the college history professors got hold of them! :D

Just for the record, I certainly do not deny the existence of Freemasonry in England before 1723. Historians agree that the UGLE and its sisters are descended from such Freemasonry.