The Amazing Holographic Universe

[steevo]

A short 10 minute video, worth watching. The bit that I dont understand is the bit at the beginning where a bloke says that the particles do not actually appear UNTIL someone tries to measure them. I know that it is said in quantum physics, that particles are directly effected by the measurer, but I hadnt heard it said that the particles only appear WHEN they are gonna be measured :-

http://www.bbc5.tv/news/story/amazing-holographic-universe

[branjo]

Yeah that is a very weird phenomenon, I guess its, for lack of a better explanation, concrete scientific proof that we are all conscious co creators of our own existence.

I guess that means mainstream science has got to the stage where they cannot deny consciousness as a scientific factor in everything. If that atom only comes together when it is consciously focused on, are we in direct control of every atom, is the atom consciously aware of us, or is this enough proof that nothing is separate at all.

If we truly believed beyond all doubt that we could control atoms through consciousness, then we are to all intents and purposes in complete control of everything around us. On a fractal or "holographic" scale the Earth is the nuclei and we are the electrons circling it, our Sun is the same nuclei and the planets are the electrons, on and on Across the Universe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbirjVeI_Pk) The "space" between is completely irrelevant when taken as distance:)

Great subject, great thread.

[ajaydean]

great post,i found the artcle under the video absorbing too, it seems we have to get to the point where we can work our conciousness into changing our experience in this illusion

[nirvana]

It also means if we believe in reptilians and the evil nwo then we can make those two things possible. Means i need to start changing my thinking and direct my energy more possitive .

It also means we have a choice what reality we want to work towards love ,peace or destruction. We may have billions of parallel lives depending on our frequency determines which parallel freuency life we will be.




Peace:)

[branjo]

It also means if we believe in reptilians and the evil nwo then we can make those two things possible. Means i need to start changing my thinking and direct my energy more possitive .

It also means we have a choice what reality we want to work towards love ,peace or destruction. We may have billions of parallel lives depending on our frequency determines which parallel freuency life we will be.




Peace:)

Precisely !!

This is why history will repeat itself, because the fear of the past is dictating the future, I love a line said by "Ian Xel Lungold" in his decoding of the Mayan Calendar when he said "What ever you pay attention to, you become conscious of".

What ever we truly focus on will "be". First the world needs to learn how to focus and the only way to do that is as you said, raise the positivity (vibration) of the people, the planet is raising its own frequency we must join it because its telling us something very important. Every creature that has went extinct actually went extinct because of one thing and one thing only, "Failure to adapt to its environment". If your vibrational (emotional) frequency is low when everything else is higher then you are in danger of being left behind. I think we are all starting to realize that things are getting to a degree of urgency.

Even time is speeding up because the Earth is slowing its rotation, the atomic clock is being very much affected, over the last 20 years it has moved more than 30 seconds this may not seem like much but your body clock has been at a certain cycle of time since you were born and how many times have you incarnated here? so we are pretty attuned to the Sun.

The planets frequency has gone from 7.8 (8hz) stable since its been "recorded" and all of a sudden its now at around 12hz, some believe it is following the Fibonacci sequence and when it hits 13hz that will be the new vibration and this may coincide with 2012.

I am paraphrasing here from Greg Bradens research, which is very thorough, He is involved with ancient cultures mostly regarding Peruvian and Hopi, they have in their history a time when the sun rose in the "west and set in the east" and then after the long day as told by the Hopi and the long night told by the tribes of Peru, the sun rose "again" in the east and set in the west.

This is the "New Sun", the 6th Sun, crossing the galactic equator will bring the earth to a brief but very gentle standstill and rotate it the other way, that will be something to tell your grand kids, and you will be alive to tell the story, never let the negative scenarios even enter your head, cross each bridge when you come to it and NEVER before.

Let the past remain in the past, if we are to grow into a world that we intentionally want, then we have to forgive and forget no matter how hard that seems, and to forgive and forget is much harder than going to war, and we all know that war is good for absolutely nothing Uh! Good God!....lol :D

[ex_anser_ovo]

A short 10 minute video, worth watching. The bit that I dont understand is the bit at the beginning where a bloke says that the particles do not actually appear UNTIL someone tries to measure them. I know that it is said in quantum physics, that particles are directly effected by the measurer, but I hadnt heard it said that the particles only appear WHEN they are gonna be measured :-

http://www.bbc5.tv/news/story/amazing-holographic-universe

There have been several different kinds of experiments designed to more closely inspect the nature of the particle, whose results haven't been capable of being fully explained yet. ie. The Double Slit Experiment.

In the Double Slit Experiment, a device used to generate particles, launches one into a vacuum space. Here the particle travels toward a plate with 2 vertical slits in it. Measurements are made on a solid 2nd plate that lies beyond the first.

What is expected is that the 2nd plate will reflect results that show a particle has collided with it, in the area where only the particle could have traveled through the first plate's slits.

It doesn't happen. Without going into too many details, the results show that waves, not a particle, have not only gone through the 2 slits, but are interfering with each other. Like 2 circular ripples in water, emanating from each slit, colliding with each other as they move towards the 2nd plate.

If a device is used to measure what is happening at the point of the slits, then the results change to what is expected. The 2nd plate shows that a particle collided with it, if the particle's path could travel through one of the two slits. The act of measurement at the point of the slits has collapsed the wave functions back into a particle that travels as a particle should.

This experiment can be done in several different ways. Even a 2nd particle, trailing closely behind the first, can be used in an experiment to measure the first particle. And in that case the 1st particle will remain a particle. Although the details of how that experiment is set up are a lot more complicated, it offers a little bit more insight into what is going on.

All these experiments can give insight into how part of our consciousness works, but it cannot say that existence originated as a consciousness model as complex as our own. Simplicity begets complexity.

I hope that made sense. :o
If you want something blunt and with possible mystical implications, one could say existence uses itself to induce a more focused definition of itself. Even if its methods are relying on stacking behaviours of simple, logical, mechanical components.

[steevo]

There have been several different kinds of experiments designed to more closely inspect the nature of the particle, whose results haven't been capable of being fully explained yet. ie. The Double Slit Experiment.


Thanks for posting ex_anser_ovo :) Yes Quantum Physics is a very confusing subject. Here is a very good video relating to that Double Slit Experiment that you mentioned. It is similar to that question "does a tree falling in the woods make a sound if there is no-one there to hear it ?". Does anything exist if there is no-one there to see it (eg. something inside a box maybe isnt there until we open the box to see it ?) :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEzRdZGYNvA

[ex_anser_ovo]

It is similar to that question "does a tree falling in the woods make a sound if there is no-one there to hear it ?". Does anything exist if there is no-one there to see it (eg. something inside a box maybe isnt there until we open the box to see it ?)

Something's definition is all relative to how it is being referenced. An identity's physical definition relies more on forces such as Weak Interaction/Strong Interaction/Gravity/Electromagnetism.

Our belief systems work in a similar way, but it isn't about physical definition. A concept is virtual, but it does gain more weight when it is being referenced by more and more sources, even if those are virtual as well.

So as you have more reasons to think there is nothing existing in the box, then 'the concept' of the box being empty gains more weight, not the physical reality of the box being empty.

I don't know if I communicated that right. :confused:

[branjo]

Very much like the measurement of the atom, its not really fully present until you look for it. Meaning the tree not only doesn't make a sound when it falls when no one see's it but it isn't there to begin with. The definition of "no one" is the real factor.

The reason could be, that the world exists around us then because it is constantly being observed by consciousness, whether microscopic life, insects, birds, animals or ourselves, heck even one person looking up at the stars in another part of our galaxy simply wondering, "is there life on that planet?" ie Earth, is also a factor of the equation? So then to see or recognize something, there is always someone else observing it, in order for someone else to see it.

Its a mind bender make no mistake about it....:confused:

[steevo]

As a kid I used to watch "Monkey" on tv and I always used to wonder what it meant when it said "The Buddha said that with our thoughts we make the world" (notice he said we make THE WORLD, and NOT that we make THINGS in the world such as inventions, he meant THE WORLD itself ?). So this information has been around for VERY long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iUMWy4hqAg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iUMWy4hqAg

Edit : Thanks ex_anser_ovo and branjo for your very thought provoking posts so far.

[steevo]

great post,i found the artcle under the video absorbing too, it seems we have to get to the point where we can work our conciousness into changing our experience in this illusion

Which video do you mean ajaydean ?

[steevo]

It also means if we believe in reptilians and the evil nwo then we can make those two things possible. Means i need to start changing my thinking and direct my energy more possitive .

We would ALL have to do the same.

[fromthatshow]

The book is amazing. Changed my life.
The entire universe in your fingernail!

[branjo]

As a kid I used to watch "Monkey" on tv and I always used to wonder what it meant when it said "The Buddha said that with our thoughts we make the world" (notice he said we make THE WORLD, and NOT that we make THINGS in the world such as inventions, he meant THE WORLD itself ?). So this information has been around for VERY long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iUMWy4hqAg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iUMWy4hqAg

Edit : Thanks ex_anser_ovo and branjo for your very thought provoking posts so far.

Monkey Magic was the best thing on tv when I was a kid, man that brings back memories of running through the house with a gold head ban, a dish towel tied round my neck and knocking over ornaments and lamps with an old brush pole, :D happy times.

[enga]

interesting...thanks Steevo will watch later, think the measurement thing is indeterminacy or some such.

[marpat]

It also means if we believe in reptilians and the evil nwo then we can make those two things possible. Means i need to start changing my thinking and direct my energy more possitive .

It also means we have a choice what reality we want to work towards love ,peace or destruction. We may have billions of parallel lives depending on our frequency determines which parallel freuency life we will be.




Peace:)

As the Buddha said 'with our thoughts we create the world'

[branjo]

We would ALL have to do the same.

I believe we all will my friend, all we need is something that will unite mankind in conscious thought, and we already have that day booked and paid for, Dec 21st 2012, the Universe planned it that way for us, everyone from the indigenous people in tribes to wall street bankers has heard of this date and will be thinking the same thing at the exact same time, ie "whats next?"

The combined power of consciousness at that moment will in no doubt be able to move mountains, that's why every conspiracy out there is designed to do one thing, fill us with fear of that date instead of love, because you cannot control the outcome of love.

Technology is making tremendous leaps and bounds now because spirituality is no longer separate from science, it took a while for the knowledge to hit the streets but we have it now, its a take it or leave it kind of thing and I personally am using both hands to take it where ever I can get it.

We aren't being made aware of this information or these subjects because of a few open minded people, we are being made aware of these things because its the right time to know them, If people were asked 20 years ago to define a holographic universe they couldn't have explained even a "view" on it other than and artificial occurrence with laser trickery. Now its defining our existence as beings of light and if each of us can affect the atom, and every single thing in our world is atomic in structure, the "realization" of this means there is nothing we cannot do, with no exceptions of any kind.

[arty2000]

could it be that we have chosen the experiences that we are experiencing right now before we entered this dimension and that we have some learning experiences/karma/ balancing to do and that we might possibly have chosen the degree of awareness that we will experience and to what extent .......peace and love my friends

[branjo]

Yeah I have wondered the same thing arty, I have heard the term that the "time" in relation to the position of the planets gives us the premise for our next life.

This website http://mayaportal.lucita.net/ gives a good description of myself as to the day I was born and of everyone I have tried it on, maybe that is the choice we make while determining the re entry into the 3rd density, simply "when".

[steevo]

I wonder how the concept of "time" fits in with all this (with the double slit experiment) ? Human-beings measure moving objects, and call this "time". Measuring the movement of the planets/stars is one of the main ways of telling the time. So when we measure/observe the planets/stars does it effect their state. Maybe the planets and the universe is a wave (and everything really IS connected in some sort of "soup"), but when we study them, they show themselves as separate from each other, or we PERCEIVE them as separate.

So maybe by observing/measuring things, such as the planets, we are creating a wierd fake sense of reality (which we have named "time" ?) ?
And this fake PERCEPTION of reality prevents us from being able to live in "the now", and means that we can only ever vibrate with a fear vibe if we believe in a concept called "time".

[steevo]

I think that this may be the video that is now missing from the OP :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dpRPTwsKJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dpRPTwsKJs

[gums79]

I think that this may be the video that is now missing from the OP :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dpRPTwsKJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dpRPTwsKJs

thanks i clicked on the link in op and the video was taken out

[mav68erick]

So based on what the videos says, and what other people have said. " It only exists because you thinking about it, there for you create it. "

Wouldn't that imply that any conspiracy, any evil, and wrong doing, and or bad stuff going on in the world only exists because we think it does, or try to measure how much of its going on? Do they put these ideas in our heads so that we can think about them only to make them stronger? Its not them who have the power its us giving them the power by acknowledging the fact they are really there?

If the people are asleep and don't know about such forces going on, by them becoming awake doesn't it make them stronger? Seems like evil is an attention whore.

I dunno I've been thinking about this for a bit, and it seemed like it would fit with the video somewhat on how we create.

[cochinada]

Hi,

Have any of you read this incredible article "Reality - the Holographic Universe - 03/16/97 (http://keelynet.com/biology/reality.htm)" published years ago by physicist Alain Aspect?

[soothseeker]

Some very good points raised in this thread,

Reality only exists when something observes it,

I think this only happened recently.

Reading an article in MyDailyTeeLeaves I found, Due to a bad fiscal year the reptilians were forced into making drastic cutbackes on reality it self. "If a tree falls in the woods with no one to hear it, it does not have to make a noise" said Major Hue G Cutbauch. Whilst engineers were installing 1760 PS 3's in their new data centre. :)

[steevo]

Some very good points raised in this thread,

Reality only exists when something observes it,

I think this only happened recently.

Reading an article in MyDailyTeeLeaves I found, Due to a bad fiscal year the reptilians were forced into making drastic cutbackes on reality it self. "If a tree falls in the woods with no one to hear it, it does not have to make a noise" said Major Hue G Cutbauch. Whilst engineers were installing 1760 PS 3's in their new data centre. :)

Maybe there is an infinite number of "universes" existing in the infinitite numbers of dimensions, making infinite possibilities - Do we perceive these universes with our five senses ? No. Therefore, there are an infinite number of "trees falling in the woods" that WE dont hear or see or feel or touch or smell. We only perceive the ones that our five senses are tuned into.
So when no-one is there to hear a tree falling in the woods, does it make a sound ? - No, because "sound" is by definition, something that is HEARD - That is MY definition anyway :D

[skeptik]

the holographic universe hypothesis is simply a way of trying to understand how the universe is constructed on a subatomic level. even if it leads to an elegant solution that proves how things are interconnected at that level, it won't change a thing about reality. you're still going to get seriously injured if a car hits you even if you know for sure it's only a holographic illusion.

[steevo]

the holographic universe hypothesis is simply a way of trying to understand how the universe is constructed on a subatomic level. even if it leads to an elegant solution that proves how things are interconnected at that level, it won't change a thing about reality. you're still going to get seriously injured if a car hits you even if you know for sure it's only a holographic illusion.

You are not necessarily gonna get seriously injured if a car hits you. People have got up and walked away after being hit by a car.

[skeptik]

...People have got up and walked away after being hit by a car.

that's evading my point. change it to 'if you jump off a skyscraper' if you prefer. there are commenters on this thread who seem to think that the 'holographic universe' idea means that either:

1- a thing ceases to exist when they are not looking at it.
2- they can alter reality simply by thinking it into another form.

the first one reminds me of a story someone told me of a young boy who, wanting to hide from his parents, simply closed his eyes. the logic in his young mind being that if he couldn't see them, they couldn't see him.

to believers of the second i'd just say 'go on then'.

[steevo]

that's evading my point. change it to 'if you jump off a skyscraper' if you prefer. there are commenters on this thread who seem to think that the 'holographic universe' idea means that either:

1- a thing ceases to exist when they are not looking at it.
2- they can alter reality simply by thinking it into another form.

the first one reminds me of a story someone told me of a young boy who, wanting to hide from his parents, simply closed his eyes. the logic in his young mind being that if he couldn't see them, they couldn't see him.

to believers of the second i'd just say 'go on then'.

Show me where "commenters on this thread" have said those things that you THINK they said - That in itself is a prime example of how you YOURSELF have THOUGHT into existence an alternative reality....YOUR reality.

[skeptik]

Show me where "commenters on this thread" have said those things that you THINK they said...


"If we truly believed beyond all doubt that we could control atoms through consciousness, then we are to all intents and purposes in complete control of everything around us."

"It also means if we believe in reptilians and the evil nwo then we can make those two things possible."

"What ever we truly focus on will "be".

"Meaning the tree not only doesn't make a sound when it falls when no one see's it but it isn't there to begin with."

"The Buddha said that with our thoughts we make the world"

"the "realization" of this means there is nothing we cannot do, with no exceptions of any kind."

"Reality only exists when something observes it"

[skeptik]

Even time is speeding up because the Earth is slowing its rotation...

This is the "New Sun", the 6th Sun, crossing the galactic equator will bring the earth to a brief but very gentle standstill and rotate it the other way, that will be something to tell your grand kids, and you will be alive to tell the story...



the slowing of the earth's rotation would mean that days get longer ergo time would appear to SLOW down not speed up.

apparently 370 million years ago a day was 2 hours shorter than it is today. you don't need to be a maths expert to see that at the current rate of slow-down (0.005 seconds per year) the earth is NOT going to stop rotating by 2012.

[steevo]

that's evading my point. change it to 'if you jump off a skyscraper' if you prefer. there are commenters on this thread who seem to think that the 'holographic universe' idea means that either:

1- a thing ceases to exist when they are not looking at it.
2- they can alter reality simply by thinking it into another form.

the first one reminds me of a story someone told me of a young boy who, wanting to hide from his parents, simply closed his eyes. the logic in his young mind being that if he couldn't see them, they couldn't see him.

to believers of the second i'd just say 'go on then'.

Show me where "commenters on this thread" have said those things that you THINK they said - That in itself is a prime example of how you YOURSELF have THOUGHT into existence an alternative reality....YOUR reality.

"If we truly believed beyond all doubt that we could control atoms through consciousness, then we are to all intents and purposes in complete control of everything around us."

"It also means if we believe in reptilians and the evil nwo then we can make those two things possible."

"What ever we truly focus on will "be".

"Meaning the tree not only doesn't make a sound when it falls when no one see's it but it isn't there to begin with."

"The Buddha said that with our thoughts we make the world"

"the "realization" of this means there is nothing we cannot do, with no exceptions of any kind."

"Reality only exists when something observes it"

But that IS the idea of the holographic universe and the double slit experiment....isnt it ? (Or it is to SOME people).

So do you wish to discuss any of those ideas/theories ? Good! Cos that is what this thread is about :)

Your user name is "skeptik", so I guess you are trying to debunk ideas/theories ? It seems that you are trying to debunk the idea of a holographic universe by saying "if a car hits you, you still get hurt" :confused:

[skeptik]

it's the USEFULNESS of an idea like 'the universe is a hologram' that i'm questioning. suppose it is verified by science that this IS all a giant holographic reality. what can the average person do with that information to change their life ?

[steevo]

it's the USEFULNESS of an idea like 'the universe is a hologram' that i'm questioning. suppose it is verified by science that this IS all a giant holographic reality. what can the average person do with that information to change their life ?

That is up to each individual I suppose.

[skeptik]

let's throw it open to the audience then:


Tell me how The Holographic Universe changed your life.

[steevo]

let's throw it open to the audience then:


Tell me how The Holographic Universe changed your life.

Do you believe that there is a planet called Mars ? Have you ever seen it ? And how did it change your life ?


Anyway, can you not see the amazing implications of the holographic universe, and the double slit experiment ? If not, then I suggest your use you imagination (unless you dont have an imagination ?).

[steevo]

let's throw it open to the audience then:


Tell me how The Holographic Universe changed your life.

That is also a bit like saying to people back in the 17th century "How will Newton's law of gravity change your life".

It's about the nature of reality. Once we understand the nature of reality, then the seemingly impossible can become possible. Humanity has a knack of harnessing nature (usually for the worst unfortunately, due to a minority of psychopaths being "in charge").

[skeptik]

Anyway, can you not see the amazing implications of the holographic universe, and the double slit experiment ?


no i can't. if the implications are amazing then please share at least one. all you've done so far is hint in the vaguest way possible.

[steevo]

no i can't. if the implications are amazing then please share at least one. all you've done so far is hint in the vaguest way possible.

Ok but before i post any comments on that, I insist that you first give me a complete reply to my other posts that you seem to have conveniently ignored :p;) :-

Do you believe that there is a planet called Mars ? Have you ever seen it ? And how did it change your life ?


Anyway, can you not see the amazing implications of the holographic universe, and the double slit experiment ? If not, then I suggest your use you imagination (unless you dont have an imagination ?).

That is also a bit like saying to people back in the 17th century "How will Newton's law of gravity change your life".

It's about the nature of reality. Once we understand the nature of reality, then the seemingly impossible can become possible. Humanity has a knack of harnessing nature (usually for the worst unfortunately, due to a minority of psychopaths being "in charge").

[skeptik]

Do you believe that there is a planet called Mars ? Have you ever seen it ? And how did it change your life ?



yes i believe in Mars. Mars isn't a theory any more than the moon is a theory (even if it turns out to be a hollowed out planetoid containing mind-controlling aliens).


That is also a bit like saying to people back in the 17th century "How will Newton's law of gravity change your life".



i'm not aware that the theory of gravity has lead to any changes in life on earth. last time i checked we were all still subject to the effects of it.


i think the hologram analogy is deeply flawed and misleading for these main reasons:

-a hologram is simply an optical illusion. if you reach out to touch the apparently 3-D object you'll find that it doesn't exist and is just light. our world is touchable. it has volume, mass and can be navigated. if a rock looks solid you touch it, pick it up and it still feels solid, you drop it on your foot and it hurts.... my conclusion would be that it is REALLY THERE and clearly not a hologram.

-if the holographic universe is being projected from a distant 'horizon' that would imply that all action is merely a projection of something taking place somewhere else*. since living organisms on this planet are free to act under their own volition, and have awareness of their own existence, this would imply that this is not a holographic projection.

* even if this was all happening 'somewhere else' that would simply be moving the fundamental mystery to another location. in a way absolving ourselves of the responsibility of dealing with the here and now.

but please tell me what you think a practical application of the 'holographic' universe idea might be. does it mean we can teleport, or time travel or commune with non-human entities ?

[steevo]

Skeptik. I'm sorry but I dont feel the need to reply to you. I simply have no wish to try to change your beliefs - I am very happy for you to have them. I have other priorities right now. I dont mean any offense to you. You have the right to believe what you want. Someone else might want to reply to you, if so, I would be very pleased to read it. I like this sort of discussion but dont feel the need to take part IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE. I'm growing weary of having debates with "Skeptics" - I get bored.