What was eating John Lennon?

[pipsicle]

Have just been reading Cynthia Lennon's biography: "John". After John's father deserted him, he lived briefly with his Aunt Mary Stanley ("Mimi") while his mother Julia tried to get back on his feet. Julia took him back once she was set up in a house with John's stepfather Bobby, but Mimi had other ideas.

Her first attempt to regain guardianship of John failed, after the social services worker she called to take John back sided with Julia in agreeing that he should stay in the care of his loving mother. But when Julia found out that John shared a bed with his parents rather than having his own room she tried the same tactic again, this time successfully. John was taken from the care of his free-spirited mother back to Mimi, a woman who refused to let her hug him.

John used to play in the grounds of the local children's home, "Strawberry Field". It was said that he identified with the orphans who lived there.

Cynthia commented on John's remarkable ability to compartmentalise things which upset him. As a teenager, he coped with the deaths of his mother and beloved Uncle George by laughing during their funerals. By his mid-twenties he had an adoring wife, a beautiful child, genius level intelligence and musical ability, many close and influential friends, and wealth for life.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DZwOmtWaXyY/SGdq_4Tv3CI/AAAAAAAABGo/MaQIMJu7rjw/s400/The-Beatles-Poster-Card-C13257708.jpeg

But something caused him to walk out on his wife and child in the mid-sixties, cutting himself off from many of his former acquantances. It seemed to Cynthia as if he had adopted a new persona:

http://members.home.nl/jpgr/Johnthinking.jpg

What, she wondered, had happened to his trademark sense of humor? John now refused to go anywhere without his new mistress. When, during her divorce hearing, John broke to use the men's room, Yoko followed him there. As they came back in, John said to Cynthia, "See? I don't go anywhere without Yoko". What had happened to the lad so rebellious he was repeatedly thrown out of school for refusing to take orders?

Mimi died in 1992, at the age of 89. According to the nurse who attended her, her final words were:

"I am afraid to die. I have been a wicked woman".

Cynthia concurred.

[astrochicken]

Have just been reading Cynthia Lennon's biography: "John". After John's father deserted him, he lived briefly with his Aunt Mary Stanley ("Mimi") while his mother Julia tried to get back on his feet. Julia took him back once she was set up in a house with John's stepfather Bobby, but Mimi had other ideas.

Her first attempt to regain guardianship of John failed, after the social services worker she called to take John back sided with Julia in agreeing that he should stay in the care of his loving mother. But when Julia found out that John shared a bed with his parents rather than having his own room she tried the same tactic again, this time successfully. John was taken from the care of his free-spirited mother back to Mimi, a woman who refused to let her hug him.

John used to play in the grounds of the local children's home, "Strawberry Field". It was said that he identified with the orphans who lived there.

Cynthia commented on John's remarkable ability to compartmentalise things which upset him. As a teenager, he coped with the deaths of his mother and beloved Uncle George by laughing during their funerals. By his mid-twenties he had an adoring wife, a beautiful child, genius level intelligence and musical ability, many close and influential friends, and wealth for life.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DZwOmtWaXyY/SGdq_4Tv3CI/AAAAAAAABGo/MaQIMJu7rjw/s400/The-Beatles-Poster-Card-C13257708.jpeg

But something caused him to walk out on his wife and child in the mid-sixties, cutting himself off from many of his former acquantances. It seemed to Cynthia as if he had adopted a new persona:

http://members.home.nl/jpgr/Johnthinking.jpg

What, she wondered, had happened to his trademark sense of humor? John now refused to go anywhere without his new mistress. When, during her divorce hearing, John broke to use the men's room, Yoko followed him there. As they came back in, John said to Cynthia, "See? I don't go anywhere without Yoko". What had happened to the lad so rebellious he was repeatedly thrown out of school for refusing to take orders?

Mimi died in 1992, at the age of 89. According to the nurse who attended her, her final words were:

"I am afraid to die. I have been a wicked woman".

Cynthia concurred.

Heavy stuff.. reading between the lines.

[metacomet]

Something absolutely led John astray. The music industry has plenty of agents waiting to 'collect payments' (souls) on certain contracts.

'Yoko Ono: Yes, I'm a witch' http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56014


After being accused for years of breaking up the Beatles Yoko Ono is being 'playful' and admitting to being a witch... or so people say.

The truth is she did in fact use mind control, black magick, witchcraft and satanism more than once to manipulate John Lennon and set him up to be murdered by another mind controlled individual.

She appears to have used mind control techniques very effectively on John Lennon to get, keep and control him. Yoko was also heavily into the occult. May Pang, the young woman that John Lennon lived with for 18 months, says in her book that Yoko setup a "stop-smoking hypnosis" session as her ruse to get John back to the Dakota and back to her and that John never came back to her afterwards. When she ran into him a few days later, he was like a zombie, barely could speak and says that Yoko had given him stuff that made him throw up, pass out and then "they" would wake him up and do it to him all over again.

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John Lennons earlier wife Cynthia walked in on John and Ono more than a few times. Ono was planting seeds in John and leading him astray even while he was married to another woman...

Quote:
When Cynthia returned home she found Lennon and Ono, who was wearing Cynthia's bathrobe, drinking tea together. Lennon simply said, "Oh, Hi".[131]

[pipsicle]

One thing that was clear from reading Cynthia's biography was that John was at the top not just of the Brit music industry, but the literary world was queuing up to toast him aswell. He won a Follett's (sp?) book award for "In His Own Write" and had the likes of Cook and Moore to dinner.

But somehow he decided to close himself off from all that in favor of stunts like this:

http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/john_lennon_and_yoko_ono/unfinished_music_no__1__two_virgins_f1/buy

[liquidswords]

Lennons story is always a fascinating tale, one that I can never really decide on what I believe happened. Did the massive stardom eventually affect him, causing the above behaviour or was it 'something else?'

I dont think we'll ever find out at this point, unfortunately.

[pipsicle]

Maybe guilt was a big motivating factor in his personality change. Some of his later songs had a "Sorry I've Been a Naughty Boy" subtext. Cynthia writes that he was wracked with guilt over the death of Stuart Sutcliffe (hmm... I wonder why?). There's also some suggestion that he thought doing jokey stunts in public would actually make him safer (he had a fear he would be shot from 1966 onward).

I see a parallel with the Pitt/Jolie relationship. Pitt left a wife who appeared to think the sun rose and set on him in order to take up with a dominant woman (who doesn't love him IMHO) in order to become an international activist couple. He showed little interest in humanitarianism prior to his divorce.

[liquidswords]

I see a parallel with the Pitt/Jolie relationship. Pitt left a wife who appeared to think the sun rose and set on him in order to take up with a dominant woman (who doesn't love him IMHO) in order to become an international activist couple. He showed little interest in humanitarianism prior to his divorce.

Yeah, good spot, that could be appropriate.

And any guy who voluntarily leaves Jen Aniston needs their head looking at IMO lol.

[pipsicle]

'Fifth Beatle' died after fight with Lennon, sister claims

The brain haemorrhage that led to Stuart Sutcliffe's death was caused by his closest friend, claims the sister of the former bass player. And the proof is in the archive she is about to auction, writes James Morrison


The sister of Stuart Sutcliffe, the "fifth Beatle", is to make public startling new evidence that strengthens her claim that his death was caused by a kick to the head from John Lennon.


Pauline Sutcliffe, who believes her brother was beaten up by Lennon in the months before he died, is to sell off a huge archive containing a sketchbook that indicates a rapid decline in his mental health after the alleged incident.

The timing of the pad's entries will bolster her case that the brain haemorrhage that killed Sutcliffe at the age of 21 was caused not by a street brawl, as has long been supposed, but by a blow to the head from his closest friend.

Beatles historians have long been divided over the cause of the haemorrhage that led Sutcliffe, who left the band after two years to pursue a fine-art career, to collapse in Hamburg on 10 April 1962. At the time, medical specialists found no trace of disease, and it has long been argued that his death was ultimately the result of injuries sustained in a fight up to three years earlier, in which Lennon is said to have defended him.

However, Ms Sutcliffe believes the decisive factor was a fight he had with Lennon himself. It is this theory that gives one of the many sketchbooks in the Sutcliffe archive, valued at £1m and to be auctioned at Bonhams later this month, its significance. The black book - dated to October 1961, after the alleged Lennon fight - contains a series of barely legible scrawls and pained exclamations apparently reflecting Sutcliffe's gradual mental collapse.

The pages of the book are peppered with cries for help. Words and phrases such as "torment", "shout", "explode" and "the bloody brain" appear in shaky handwriting, often surrounded by exclamation marks and accompanied by unsettling abstract designs. Elsewhere, Sutcliffe uses sketches to "dissect" his brain and tries to rationalise his condition while comforting himself with details of the help he can expect from medical specialists. The book's content stands in stark contrast to that of the various earlier pads included in the archive, which show Sutcliffe flowering as a gifted draughtsman and poet.

In her recent biography of Sutcliffe, The Beatles' Shadow, Ms Sutcliffe wrote: "I believe that the cerebral haemorrhage that cost Stuart his life was caused by an injury inflicted by John in a jealous rage. A postmortem revealed Stuart had a dent in his skull, as though from a blow or kick. And a few months earlier, John had viciously kicked my brother in the head in a sustained, unprovoked attack."

Yesterday she reiterated this belief and said she hoped the auction at Bonhams on 29 July would allow the public to make up its own mind if these and other theories about her brother's life were true. Referring to the commonly held view that Sutcliffe's brain was damaged in a fight as far back as 1959, she said: "The medical opinion is that something in 1959 will not have waited three years. There was a later beating-up from John and others have reported it without any reference to me at all."

Asked if she believed the punch-up with Lennon was the most significant contributing factor to her brother's death, she replied: "Yes." She also re-stated her belief that Sutcliffe and Lennon, who became close friends while studying together at Liverpool College of Art, had a homosexual affair. "John said himself at one point that this happened."

Ms Sutcliffe's renewed assertions are already provoking debate among Beatles aficionados. Alan Clayson, with whom she co-wrote Backbeat, the film based on Sutcliffe's life with the Beatles, dismissed the claim, saying it was a direct contradiction of conclusions she came to with him. "We concluded that Stuart wasn't beaten up by John Lennon - his condition was brought on by an overuse of amphetamines," he said. Mr Clayson believes Sutcliffe was only ever involved in one significant fight, at Lathom Hall, Seaforth, Liverpool, in early 1961. On this occasion, he said, the "only involvement Lennon had was to wade in and help him".

The sketchbook, valued at £3,000 to £4,000, is only the tip of a huge iceberg of valuable memorabilia contained in the archive. Also included is a series of "lost" Beatles songs that may or may not have been co-written with Lennon during Sutcliffe's fleeting time as the band's bass player between 1959 and 1961.

The witty, frequently wistful, lyrics appear to give the lie to the widely held belief that Sutcliffe, though a gifted visual artist, was no songwriter. One song, written in 1959, begins: "Everybody's ever got somebody caring. Everybody's got a love they're sharing. Everybody but me."

Among the other items is a sheaf of letters written to Sutcliffe's family by his German fiancée, Astrid Kirchherr, after his death. In them, she heaps praise on Lennon and George Harrison but pointedly fails even to mention Sutcliffe's other bandmates, Pete Best or Paul McCartney. Ms Sutcliffe suggests the omission of McCartney was intentional, and reflected the intense rivalry between him and her brother for Lennon's affections.

Ms Sutcliffe, who has just sold a smaller archive of ephemera to the Museum of Liverpool Life, says her main motive for releasing the material is to "give it its wings" and allow the public to judge its merits for itself. "Hopefully, it reveals he wasn't just a pretty face who played the bass guitar very badly," she said.

What's going under the hammer?

Item: Sutcliffe's final sketchbook

What it is: Black book containing scrawls and abstract sketches

Estimated value: £3,000-£4,000

Item: Lyrics for five "lost" Beatles songs

What they are: At least one is thought to have been co-written with John Lennon

Estimated value: £3,000-£4,000

Item: Letters from Astrid Kirchherr to Sutcliffe's family

What they are: The eight letters praise Lennon and George Harrison, who is said to "sing a lovely song"

Estimated value: £5,400-£7,000

Item: Love notes from Sutcliffe to Astrid

What they are: Three handwritten notes, including one which begins: "My beautiful darling. I love you. Thank you so much for your love"

Estimated value: £1,400-£2,000

[sevenworlds]

John had an awakening experience it seems, which led to his behaviour looking increasingly erratic to onlookers. His behaviour appeared strange because a) we are not used to the signs of awakening in the West (and less so then) and b) he was a very famous and public figure which made it all the more unusual.

What caused it can't really be said. His childhood, the drugs, anything could have been a factor. It just happens. Breaking ties with the people who have been in your life up until that point is a common outward sign. In Yoko, perhaps he found another on his new-found wavelength. Sense of humour is mainly a programmed thing. We develop a sense of humour to fit in and get by in the culture we are born in. When someone awakens, they realise their 'sense of humour' was a role they were playing to cover up insecurities. That's probably why John appeared to become more serious.

There would be a period of great confusion, especially since he was in the public eye, as he made the transition from his 'old life' to his new way of living. A lot of his stunts would have been throughout this time. The message in his music changed. He eventually walked away from his career altogether - another common outward sign of awakening. To the world it might look like he led a miserable existence, being reclusive and at home, but for him it was probably necessary.

After a few years, he emerged again, probably with a clearer and deeper outlook to life, and so felt ready to step back into that game without getting lost in it like first time around. But it seems it was also his fate to not get to play that out any further. He often had dreams/visions of being shot and spoke sometimes about something happening to him. I don't think his story is as sinister as often made out.

[hells hero]

Yeah, good spot, that could be appropriate.

And any guy who voluntarily leaves Jen Aniston needs their head looking at IMO lol.

def. agree on that one. The nice girls are the best to ravage!