chemtrails...just normal

[jaylox]

if the government were wanting to give us any bugs disease etc etc ,i think they would just stick it in the water suppply...much more effective than spraying at high altitude,,,(which wouldnt do a thing!!!)thats unless you wanted to affect 1% of THE western E,U...

i am an ex raf air traffic controller so i do no a little bit about aircraft.guys....

yeah maybe they are spraying us, but for it to have any affect it MUST be low level.NOT HIGH ALT

[banjoreality]

you need to read.... up Oppenheimer in the 50s said that if they (the army) could fill the atmosphere with enough barilium and barium, then they could "do what they want" they have been developing HAARP since the 80's look it up.... They use chemtrails in conjunction with HAARP to basically do what they want but one of the major functions is weather manipulation.... you're a pilote right? so you should know how dependent the military (especially the air force) is on the weather... control that and the game is over..... yes they also do tests with all kinds of chemical shit but that's just one reason..........

[liquidswords]

I kinda think they are just normal too. I know some look weird, but planes having been leaving trails behind them as long as I can remember, this isnt a new phenomenon, from the past ten years or whatever, its since high altitude commercial flights became common.

Thats just how I personally see it, anyhow.

[disorder2k8]

I was originally reading that towards 2012 weather would be getting more unpredictable. this causes panic

if you control the weather, you can predict the weather a lot easier too.

[oiram]

I think the Water poisoning is already going on!
Also things like this are easier to prove because people have access to it & can run tests. "Secrecy is there game"

Adding Chemicals into Aviation fuel is a good way to hide there activity's.

But we don't know yet if this is related to other projects like maybe HAARP!

They may need to metalization the atmosphere to get better results?
Earthquake creation & hurricanes?

There are still to many unknowns!

[hank_scorpio]

I observed a chemtrail on thursday. It was moving west while the wind going east. That doesn't make sense. 30 minutes later the tail of the chemtrail was further west so it must have been moving west against the wind :confused: I had been keeping track of it while I was walking for about an hour.

My friends are trying to pass it off as it was just falling barium and other metals but it was a recently sprayed chemtrail which spread and moved against the wind while other plane contrails evaporated. Other chemtrails in the sky were lingering there moving with the wind.

[jaylox]

but you can get winds at different levels,and directions.thats normal!

thanks for the info on HAARP etc i'll look into it

suppose im a bit of a sceptic on this sort of thing,tbh never really give it any thought.cheers jay

[revolutionplease]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-plan-to-geo-engineer-the-planet-mirrors-cfr-policy-documents.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-government-is-already-geo-engineering-the-environment.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-plan-to-geo-engineer-the-planet-mirrors-cfr-policy-documents.html

[fekdemasons]

I am coming round to the Weather manipulation theory myself now.

People I know in the north west and south west tell me they had beutifull weather over easter.

Where I live after the spraying the weather was shite all weekend. Happy easter you NWO fucks !!!

[fuzzylogic]

:D

How DARE it be different weather in a different part of the country!!!!!!!! :D

[marpat]

if the government were wanting to give us any bugs disease etc etc ,i think they would just stick it in the water suppply...much more effective than spraying at high altitude,,,(which wouldnt do a thing!!!)thats unless you wanted to affect 1% of THE western E,U...

i am an ex raf air traffic controller so i do no a little bit about aircraft.guys....

yeah maybe they are spraying us, but for it to have any affect it MUST be low level.NOT HIGH ALT

Been telling them this for ages. They wont take into account your background though.

[marpat]

I kinda think they are just normal too. I know some look weird, but planes having been leaving trails behind them as long as I can remember, this isnt a new phenomenon, from the past ten years or whatever, its since high altitude commercial flights became common.

Thats just how I personally see it, anyhow.

Today I saw all sorts of trails, partly non-persistent and partly persistant. They would try and tell you that that its the plane turning its spray on and off but thats just BS

[marpat]

I think the Water poisoning is already going on!
Also things like this are easier to prove because people have access to it & can run tests. "Secrecy is there game"

Adding Chemicals into Aviation fuel is a good way to hide there activity's.

But we don't know yet if this is related to other projects like maybe HAARP!

They may need to metalization the atmosphere to get better results?
Earthquake creation & hurricanes?

There are still to many unknowns!




Found any poison in your water?

Most people in here dont know how a transimtter works yet try and tell people that HAARP is used for earthquakes and the like. Never seen anybody back up there theory with a scientific explanation.

[anthony65]

:D

How DARE it be different weather in a different part of the country!!!!!!!! :D

So you class chemtrails as weather? :rolleyes:

[anthony65]

Found any poison in your water?

Most people in here dont know how a transimtter works yet try and tell people that HAARP is used for earthquakes and the like. Never seen anybody back up there theory with a scientific explanation.

Have you ever tried reading it up for yourself?

Angel's Don't Play this Haarp, for example?

What about the Enmod treaty?

What about the protest of the Russian deputies regarding HAARP at the Duma?

These facts have already been posted here...

Artificial snow in Cornwall? :rolleyes:

Do you still dismiss it as the sillest thing you've read in ages?

Did you read the links to the Chinese snow makers?

[anthony65]

if the government were wanting to give us any bugs disease etc etc ,i think they would just stick it in the water suppply...much more effective than spraying at high altitude,,,(which wouldnt do a thing!!!)thats unless you wanted to affect 1% of THE western E,U...

i am an ex raf air traffic controller so i do no a little bit about aircraft.guys....

yeah maybe they are spraying us, but for it to have any affect it MUST be low level.NOT HIGH ALT

Spraying at high levels wouldn't do a thing?

Wrong!

Oh. And before Marpat gets into his usual denial mantra. Note the last sentence, highlighted in red. We don't know what they've been doing since 1979.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Observer

Sunday April 21, 2002


The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'