I just have to clarify something with you lot

[barbitone]

Ok. This could very well be a rant but no one will read it if I post it in the rant section.:D

I would just like to ask something of you all.
I came to this forum with the assumption that there would be many people that think like I do here.
I would just like to, as best I can, try to explain to you my method of thinking. The question by, the way, is just whether or not you guys and gals have this same sort of thing going on .....

Firstly, this is by far THE most important factor to me.
What's the point of hearing the truth if you can't comprehend it or get it past your filters? What's the point of "evidence" of you don't perceive is as such?
I CONSTANTLY challenge my ideas.
No matter how much I am convinced of it.
I look at it like; everything is evidence of your true reality. Whether or not you say it to be that and use the information in that way is up to your conscious evolution.

I like to think of my self in a constant state of "changing my mind".
I am, at all times, only "believing" what makes the most sense from the only perspective I have. (unless in altered states of consciousness)

I look at things, not in good vs bad or right vs wrong.
Because for a start, they are illusions. Fullstop. Obviously. There is no argument here. Done.
This part is critical.
I wont go into this any further here.....

I am at all times ready to drop all of this NWO\reptilian\ufo stuff
at any time.I am. It's just that I haven't had any information give me any reason to do so.
And I've come across much in favor. In fact every time I try to look for a way that it could be at fault, I find something that backs it up!

Not to mention all the "synchronicities" and "coincidences" that keep me on the trail....

People say "I've been researching this stuff for this many years" or whatever. But the big difference is how much you actually put through your mind at all times. (this is hard to word)
I have all of this information going through my head at all times. Like a detective that cant let his mind rest. It never stops unless I really put the leashes on it.

The detective is a good metaphor.

A good detective will never disregard any evidence.
It is all only going to give a bigger picture. He can discard any of it at any time. Or he can pull it back out of the bin.....
If it is false evidence then that is interesting too.
If it is hoaxed evidence it is good to know about because it is all part of the bigger picture.
If the detectives first conclusions end up not fitting together he wont just stiffly defend his "belief". He will just write over it or start again.
No biggy. The importance is on "the truth", whatever it may be. And this must be an awareness held at all times. Also, "evidence" to the detective, would most probably look like insignificant info to someone who is not in the same flow of thought.....etc.

I'm not afraid to be wrong. If I am wrong then I will learn from it and move on. Simple.

Also, I am in constant battle with my ego. So are most people. But I am conscious of it at all times. I am fully aware of it's deceptions.
The ego is your false self. Your "physical" minded self.
Again there is nothing "wrong" with it. Or "bad" about it.
I just choose to guide it. Not let it guide me.

The ego loves to just run on the level of the reptilian brain.
Primal pleasures and fears. When I witness myself listening to my ego self I cut it off. Fast.
I tell it to move over and accept love as master.
If you don't actively combat it, it will rule you. (This is also known as the temptations of the devil and all that)

So. I try to stay aware of my on thoughts.
You have to be aware that you are aware.
A witness to your own awareness. If you do this enough you will start to polarize away from your ego.
You will start catching yourself out, thinking things that a being of love wouldn't. Sometimes I will catch my ego judging someone from their looks.
I witness it. Then correct it with love thoughts. (this is getting very hard to word now)

This is the kind of process used in "A Course In Miracles".
You are in effect, re-wiring your neurons to link up in a new way.
A way that will lead to network that is based in higher vibrational responses.

I do things like keep reminding my ego that this world is not absolute.
That I am God and there is no separation besides my own perception. The more I do this. The more I re-program my matrix self.
It is like hacking your own mind.

This is much too hard to put into a single post.
I would much rather communicate in this way in person.
I hope some people will get the jist of what I'm trying to say here.

I have done a hell of a lot of this.
And I also started doing this when I first finished high-school and had no real belief system or set way of thinking.

With this way of thinking I am no longer in the game of rights and wrongs. I am a new person from minute to minute. I am in a constant state of possability. My persona is only what is currently programmed into my database of information.

People are doing this anyway. They're just not normally aware of it.
Once you are, and have seen what can be done in terms of transforming
your thought patterns, you realize that you are capable of evolving consciously. You cannot evolve any further than your mind allows you to.


Just as a footnote here; my thinking techniques come from what I know. What I know is a compilation of what I have experienced and remembered. I have read a lot of books. I first started with quantum physics mixed with a bit of eastern\buddhist philosophy and insights then the "Conversations with God" books (most of them), then A Course In Miracles\Gary Renards stuff - "Dissapearance of the Universe" and "Your Immortal Reality". Many others of course but I'm just listing the ones that I use in my day to day thought patterns.... Until I got to David Icke. Which tied them all together and when I listened to him speak he spoke very much the way I would put it all. So I immediatly took attention. I had all these kinds of ideas (at least on the illusions side of things) in my head before Icke. Icke just tied them together in such a way... It's like I had all the jig saw puzzles pieces, and had started to try to jam them together this way and that, but once I found David Icke, he just came along and went *chink,chink,chink* "there ya go matey" while I stand in awe.

Anyway, this is getting too long so I'll end it here before it gets too "rant" like.:) Sorry if this reads strangely too, because it is a bit of a brain storm type situation...

Cheers if you took the time to read all this.:D

[garth]

With this way of thinking I am no longer in the game of rights and wrongs. I am a new person from minute to minute. I am in a constant state of possability. My persona is only what is currently programmed into my database of information.



Hey, love this bit..cool as..just as every cell in your body is constantly being replaced, so to should your beliefs and truth's.

Don't forget the role your intuition plays in all this to, the part of you that just "knows", it's a fantastic barometer and a great comrade in the search for truth.

Right on mate..love it:D

[cruise4]

Don't forget the role your intuition plays in all this to

If intuition is so important... why didn't we wake up earlier. Why did we ever go to sleep? Intuition is, by definition, only important 'after' its been shown to be important? Once again I don't get it.

[freespark]

Awesome post. ;)

[neutron flux]

You remind me of me a few years ago, keep going and a great post. :)

[tinmenace]

Ok. This could very well be a rant but no one will read it if I post it in the rant section.:D

I would just like to ask something of you all.
I came to this forum with the assumption that there would be many people that think like I do here.
I would just like to, as best I can, try to explain to you my method of thinking. The question by, the way, is just whether or not you guys and gals have this same sort of thing going on .....

Firstly, this is by far THE most important factor to me.
What's the point of hearing the truth if you can't comprehend it or get it past your filters? What's the point of "evidence" of you don't perceive is as such?
I CONSTANTLY challenge my ideas.
No matter how much I am convinced of it.
I look at it like; everything is evidence of your true reality. Whether or not you say it to be that and use the information in that way is up to your conscious evolution.

I like to think of my self in a constant state of "changing my mind".
I am, at all times, only "believing" what makes the most sense from the only perspective I have. (unless in altered states of consciousness)

I look at things, not in good vs bad or right vs wrong.
Because for a start, they are illusions. Fullstop. Obviously. There is no argument here. Done.
This part is critical.
I wont go into this any further here.....

I am at all times ready to drop all of this NWO\reptilian\ufo stuff
at any time.I am. It's just that I haven't had any information give me any reason to do so.
And I've come across much in favor. In fact every time I try to look for a way that it could be at fault, I find something that backs it up!

Not to mention all the "synchronicities" and "coincidences" that keep me on the trail....

People say "I've been researching this stuff for this many years" or whatever. But the big difference is how much you actually put through your mind at all times. (this is hard to word)
I have all of this information going through my head at all times. Like a detective that cant let his mind rest. It never stops unless I really put the leashes on it.

The detective is a good metaphor.

A good detective will never disregard any evidence.
It is all only going to give a bigger picture. He can discard any of it at any time. Or he can pull it back out of the bin.....
If it is false evidence then that is interesting too.
If it is hoaxed evidence it is good to know about because it is all part of the bigger picture.
If the detectives first conclusions end up not fitting together he wont just stiffly defend his "belief". He will just write over it or start again.
No biggy. The importance is on "the truth", whatever it may be. And this must be an awareness held at all times. Also, "evidence" to the detective, would most probably look like insignificant info to someone who is not in the same flow of thought.....etc.

I'm not afraid to be wrong. If I am wrong then I will learn from it and move on. Simple.

Also, I am in constant battle with my ego. So are most people. But I am conscious of it at all times. I am fully aware of it's deceptions.
The ego is your false self. Your "physical" minded self.
Again there is nothing "wrong" with it. Or "bad" about it.
I just choose to guide it. Not let it guide me.

The ego loves to just run on the level of the reptilian brain.
Primal pleasures and fears. When I witness myself listening to my ego self I cut it off. Fast.
I tell it to move over and accept love as master.
If you don't actively combat it, it will rule you. (This is also known as the temptations of the devil and all that)

So. I try to stay aware of my on thoughts.
You have to be aware that you are aware.
A witness to your own awareness. If you do this enough you will start to polarize away from your ego.
You will start catching yourself out, thinking things that a being of love wouldn't. Sometimes I will catch my ego judging someone from their looks.
I witness it. Then correct it with love thoughts. (this is getting very hard to word now)

This is the kind of process used in "A Course In Miracles".
You are in effect, re-wiring your neurons to link up in a new way.
A way that will lead to network that is based in higher vibrational responses.

I do things like keep reminding my ego that this world is not absolute.
That I am God and there is no separation besides my own perception. The more I do this. The more I re-program my matrix self.
It is like hacking your own mind.

This is much too hard to put into a single post.
I would much rather communicate in this way in person.
I hope some people will get the jist of what I'm trying to say here.

I have done a hell of a lot of this.
And I also started doing this when I first finished high-school and had no real belief system or set way of thinking.

With this way of thinking I am no longer in the game of rights and wrongs. I am a new person from minute to minute. I am in a constant state of possability. My persona is only what is currently programmed into my database of information.

People are doing this anyway. They're just not normally aware of it.
Once you are, and have seen what can be done in terms of transforming
your thought patterns, you realize that you are capable of evolving consciously. You cannot evolve any further than your mind allows you to.


Just as a footnote here; my thinking techniques come from what I know. What I know is a compilation of what I have experienced and remembered. I have read a lot of books. I first started with quantum physics mixed with a bit of eastern\buddhist philosophy and insights then the "Conversations with God" books (most of them), then A Course In Miracles\Gary Renards stuff - "Dissapearance of the Universe" and "Your Immortal Reality". Many others of course but I'm just listing the ones that I use in my day to day thought patterns.... Until I got to David Icke. Which tied them all together and when I listened to him speak he spoke very much the way I would put it all. So I immediatly took attention. I had all these kinds of ideas (at least on the illusions side of things) in my head before Icke. Icke just tied them together in such a way... It's like I had all the jig saw puzzles pieces, and had started to try to jam them together this way and that, but once I found David Icke, he just came along and went *chink,chink,chink* "there ya go matey" while I stand in awe.

Anyway, this is getting too long so I'll end it here before it gets too "rant" like.:) Sorry if this reads strangely too, because it is a bit of a brain storm type situation...

Cheers if you took the time to read all this.:D

Brilliant post. Well done! :)

[herebynightfall]

Out beyond rightdoing and wrongdoing, there is a field. I'll meet you there.

[lookfar]

WOW barbitone, great post there & spot on IMO!! Sums it up for me very well but I wouldn't have been able to put it into words like you have, nice one & good on ya honey!!:D

[garth]

If intuition is so important... why didn't we wake up earlier. Why did we ever go to sleep? Intuition is, by definition, only important 'after' its been shown to be important? Once again I don't get it.

Good point, Intuition is part of the connection to your higher self (or whatever you chose to label it), it's like a conduit to infinite knowledge. When we are born, we either have a great cork in this conduit or a tiny insie weenie conduit that might put out a drop every once in a while. This little drop is like when you get a gut feeling on something or a warning or a particular idea that has come from left field.

You recognize it for what it is and start trusting it, putting aside the nay saying thoughts that your matrix ego throws up at every turn. You can then develop this conduit till it's like a huge water main, flooding you with insight & knowledge.

Everyone has this ability, you just gotta listen & trust it, your intuition is always right.

Big bonus with intuition to, you can get an encyclopedia of info in 20 seconds..saves a lot of reading and researching:D

[tinmenace]

Well said Garth! Wow!

[abrilliantone]

barbitone you took the words right out of my mouth.:)

[barbitone]

Hey thanks people.:) So I'm not the only one then...;)

I'm just so sick of this side vs that side. Is it right is it wrong . Is it ethical.....
Fuck it.

If it's polarized it's illusion.

I pick both and none, and when someone says that's a paradox then I say "exactly".

Life is.

See, the problem is that the solution is a paradox from our relative perspective. So it can't really be known from this side of consciousness. You have to move yourself to meet the knowledge not the other way around. You must match the level with your own frequency of mind. Otherwise the new frequency you are trying to access cannot be interpreted. (make any sense?)

[i_am]

Hey thanks people.:) So I'm not the only one then...;)

I'm just so sick of this side vs that side. Is it right is it wrong . Is it ethical.....
Fuck it.

If it's polarized it's illusion.

I pick both and none, and when someone says that's a paradox then I say "exactly".

Life is.

See, the problem is that the solution is a paradox from our relative perspective. So it can't really be known from this side of consciousness. You have to move yourself to meet the knowledge not the other way around. You must match the level with your own frequency of mind. Otherwise the new frequency you are trying to access cannot be interpreted. (make any sense?)

No you are not the only one ;)

and as for intuition cruise4

Originally Posted by cruise4
If intuition is so important... why didn't we wake up earlier. Why did we ever go to sleep? Intuition is, by definition, only important 'after' its been shown to be important? Once again I don't get it.

we have been programmmed to analyse everything, weigh up the pros and cons, rationalise everything, do lists, set goals etc etc etc.

We are told to use our mind to come up with what is 'the right thing to do' when in fact we should be just doing what we feel. We should just listen to that inner voice that whispers to us in our core. It is about feeling, not thinking. It is about letting go of fear and just doing it. If you are coming from love, you will never do anything to intentionally hurt another or yourself. It is about trust.

[sweet cheeks]

Ok. This could very well be a rant but no one will read it if I post it in the rant section.:D

I would just like to ask something of you all.
I came to this forum with the assumption that there would be many people that think like I do here.
I would just like to, as best I can, try to explain to you my method of thinking. The question by, the way, is just whether or not you guys and gals have this same sort of thing going on .....

Firstly, this is by far THE most important factor to me.
What's the point of hearing the truth if you can't comprehend it or get it past your filters? What's the point of "evidence" of you don't perceive is as such?
I CONSTANTLY challenge my ideas.
No matter how much I am convinced of it.
I look at it like; everything is evidence of your true reality. Whether or not you say it to be that and use the information in that way is up to your conscious evolution.

I like to think of my self in a constant state of "changing my mind".
I am, at all times, only "believing" what makes the most sense from the only perspective I have. (unless in altered states of consciousness)

I look at things, not in good vs bad or right vs wrong.
Because for a start, they are illusions. Fullstop. Obviously. There is no argument here. Done.
This part is critical.
I wont go into this any further here.....

I am at all times ready to drop all of this NWO\reptilian\ufo stuff
at any time.I am. It's just that I haven't had any information give me any reason to do so.
And I've come across much in favor. In fact every time I try to look for a way that it could be at fault, I find something that backs it up!

Not to mention all the "synchronicities" and "coincidences" that keep me on the trail....

People say "I've been researching this stuff for this many years" or whatever. But the big difference is how much you actually put through your mind at all times. (this is hard to word)
I have all of this information going through my head at all times. Like a detective that cant let his mind rest. It never stops unless I really put the leashes on it.

The detective is a good metaphor.

A good detective will never disregard any evidence.
It is all only going to give a bigger picture. He can discard any of it at any time. Or he can pull it back out of the bin.....
If it is false evidence then that is interesting too.
If it is hoaxed evidence it is good to know about because it is all part of the bigger picture.
If the detectives first conclusions end up not fitting together he wont just stiffly defend his "belief". He will just write over it or start again.
No biggy. The importance is on "the truth", whatever it may be. And this must be an awareness held at all times. Also, "evidence" to the detective, would most probably look like insignificant info to someone who is not in the same flow of thought.....etc.

I'm not afraid to be wrong. If I am wrong then I will learn from it and move on. Simple.

Also, I am in constant battle with my ego. So are most people. But I am conscious of it at all times. I am fully aware of it's deceptions.
The ego is your false self. Your "physical" minded self.
Again there is nothing "wrong" with it. Or "bad" about it.
I just choose to guide it. Not let it guide me.

The ego loves to just run on the level of the reptilian brain.
Primal pleasures and fears. When I witness myself listening to my ego self I cut it off. Fast.
I tell it to move over and accept love as master.
If you don't actively combat it, it will rule you. (This is also known as the temptations of the devil and all that)

So. I try to stay aware of my on thoughts.
You have to be aware that you are aware.
A witness to your own awareness. If you do this enough you will start to polarize away from your ego.
You will start catching yourself out, thinking things that a being of love wouldn't. Sometimes I will catch my ego judging someone from their looks.
I witness it. Then correct it with love thoughts. (this is getting very hard to word now)

This is the kind of process used in "A Course In Miracles".
You are in effect, re-wiring your neurons to link up in a new way.
A way that will lead to network that is based in higher vibrational responses.

I do things like keep reminding my ego that this world is not absolute.
That I am God and there is no separation besides my own perception. The more I do this. The more I re-program my matrix self.
It is like hacking your own mind.

This is much too hard to put into a single post.
I would much rather communicate in this way in person.
I hope some people will get the jist of what I'm trying to say here.

I have done a hell of a lot of this.
And I also started doing this when I first finished high-school and had no real belief system or set way of thinking.

With this way of thinking I am no longer in the game of rights and wrongs. I am a new person from minute to minute. I am in a constant state of possability. My persona is only what is currently programmed into my database of information.

People are doing this anyway. They're just not normally aware of it.
Once you are, and have seen what can be done in terms of transforming
your thought patterns, you realize that you are capable of evolving consciously. You cannot evolve any further than your mind allows you to.


Just as a footnote here; my thinking techniques come from what I know. What I know is a compilation of what I have experienced and remembered. I have read a lot of books. I first started with quantum physics mixed with a bit of eastern\buddhist philosophy and insights then the "Conversations with God" books (most of them), then A Course In Miracles\Gary Renards stuff - "Dissapearance of the Universe" and "Your Immortal Reality". Many others of course but I'm just listing the ones that I use in my day to day thought patterns.... Until I got to David Icke. Which tied them all together and when I listened to him speak he spoke very much the way I would put it all. So I immediatly took attention. I had all these kinds of ideas (at least on the illusions side of things) in my head before Icke. Icke just tied them together in such a way... It's like I had all the jig saw puzzles pieces, and had started to try to jam them together this way and that, but once I found David Icke, he just came along and went *chink,chink,chink* "there ya go matey" while I stand in awe.

Anyway, this is getting too long so I'll end it here before it gets too "rant" like.:) Sorry if this reads strangely too, because it is a bit of a brain storm type situation...

Cheers if you took the time to read all this.:D

Sounds good to me!

[cruise4]

Thankyou Garth and I am for replying. I agree with the rest of the post barbitone by the way. Was it edited? Can't find the original 'intuition' comment.

'I believe' can be short for 'At the moment I believe' or
'based on the evidence so far I believe'.
Belief may be 'I have this belief at the moment' or
'I have belief because of [certain dogma]'.

I think polarisation is sometimes inferred but not actually there... its just an online posting/word/spelling/grammar thing that creates confusion. I would say most thinking people would think as you state in Post 1.

Regarding intuition... Garths comment.... Why can't I pick the winning lottery numbers from intuition? I don't think intuition is always right.

I am... I was trying to work out what you mean and left the uncompleted post in below for comments sake, but I came to the conclusion I am working mainly off intuition, hence my confusion. By intuition you mean instict. My instinct said 'don't get involved with this 'earning money at all costs' business' and I didn't despite my material self saying 'ohhh you've made a mistake here, look what everyone else has got/done, you must be wrong'. Now I've discovered "the truth" (gotta be careful), my intuition or instinct has been shown to be correct.

[had to think a bit. Bit like 'conscience'. What you mustn't do is follow something you 'really' know is wrong. In my life some things I think out, some are gut feelings. My overall life is based on the latter, the NWO ensures I have to use the former sometimes. As a deliberate social and societal dropout (to others minds), maybe I'm not that programmed. I won't wilfully kill a fly. Thats intuition. I didn't learn that. You are talking about knowing right from wrong, independantly of Education? But its arguable thats a result of Education (or life experiences)]

[i am all i am]

G'day Brabitone.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I love the way you think !!!

As to the 'right and wrong' issue, I have something in my signature that sums up my beliefs about it.

"Cheers if you took the time to read all this."

You're welcome. Cheers for posting it.



http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

[ashyr]

if barbitone even returns to read the posts.


1 word.


NIHILISM.

[barbitone]

On intuition - intuition must be unconditional in my understanding. If you have pre-conceived ideas or hopes for any outcome, then you will dissapoint yourself and say "intuition didn't lead me the right way".

The idea is that you don't think. You feel.

Instinct is another thing. It is the biological layer, a programmed robot that has programmed responses in order to survive. Fight or flight is reaction. You
will be given what you need (adrenalin etc) to assist your body's survival. If intuition is allowed in at this moment you will respond to the situation.

If no mission control can be achieved then you will have all this energy and no guidance except your mind. It will be very hard to direct this energy with the mind alone. You may even just jam up and do nothing.

Like a professional fighter. Someone trained against someone that is not. Both people will be receiving adrenalin and so forth to their bodies, but the trained fighter knows how to be responsive rather than reactive. He uses intuition to guide him. The un-trained fighter will just be reacting and letting fear based emotions kick in. He will have less focus therefore less balance and agility.

Instinct is on the level of body.
Intuition is on the level of etheric.


...somethin' like that.......:D

[i_am]

Thankyou Garth and I am for replying. I agree with the rest of the post barbitone by the way. Was it edited? Can't find the original 'intuition' comment.

'I believe' can be short for 'At the moment I believe' or
'based on the evidence so far I believe'.
Belief may be 'I have this belief at the moment' or
'I have belief because of [certain dogma]'.

Exactly

I think polarisation is sometimes inferred but not actually there... its just an online posting/word/spelling/grammar thing that creates confusion. I would say most thinking people would think as you state in Post 1.

Regarding intuition... Garths comment.... Why can't I pick the winning lottery numbers from intuition? I don't think intuition is always right.

I am... I was trying to work out what you mean and left the uncompleted post in below for comments sake, but I came to the conclusion I am working mainly off intuition, hence my confusion. By intuition you mean instict. My instinct said 'don't get involved with this 'earning money at all costs' business' and I didn't despite my material self saying 'ohhh you've made a mistake here, look what everyone else has got/done, you must be wrong'. Now I've discovered "the truth" (gotta be careful), my intuition or instinct has been shown to be correct.

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[had to think a bit. Bit like 'conscience'. What you mustn't do is follow something you 'really' know is wrong. In my life some things I think out, some are gut feelings. My overall life is based on the latter, the NWO ensures I have to use the former sometimes. As a deliberate social and societal dropout (to others minds), maybe I'm not that programmed. I won't wilfully kill a fly. Thats intuition. I didn't learn that. You are talking about knowing right from wrong, independantly of Education? But its arguable thats a result of Education (or life experiences)]

When our decisions involve someone else who may be hurt, I think we all resort to involving the mind. It is easy to follow your gut feeling when it is just you but few of us would go off on a tangent based on our feeling when it involves our loved ones. Therby comes the conscience spanner in the works. It is a fine balancing act.

[barbitone]

if barbitone even returns to read the posts.


1 word.


NIHILISM.


Is that the label for thinking without labels is it? hmm....:rolleyes:


From wikipedia:
Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that the world, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following: there is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator, a "true morality" does not exist, and secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has no truth, and no action can be preferable to any other.[1]

This isn't what I'm on about at all. It's not like "true neutralism" or something.
It's a higher understanding that analyzes the world and reality from a different perspective. Things are important when you give them importance. That is your power. Your power is the fact that you ARE what you are experiencing. It's not even that your connected to it. It's actually because you are composed of the exact same re-occurring vibrations. You ARE it.

So the idea is to sort of shift your ego\programmed\physical world view mind out and let in what is there, as it is. A tree is only a tree because it is a recognized symbol in your mind's databank of "tree" and then it branches off (no pun intended!) to other symbols and memories of things that inter-relate and so forth.

The higher self view is not trying to win a this is right or this is wrong argument. It's sort of saying the argument is the problem.

[ashyr]

i like the saying "the only true philisophical question you ever need to answer is, weather or not to kill yourself"

it says so much.
when all else has been and done, what next? lol havn't tryed that yet. put it off. hah. i dare ya.

nah. nihilism is great i think, it exposes how much ENERGY we put into things. giving them meaning. giving them anything. shows me how everything is what u made or put in anyway. but a reflection of everything it isnt. like david icke says and im sure not a lot of ppl dont understand him when he says that,
ill explain how i see it, its very similar maybe a bit more LAYMAN

for your eyes to see something, it will be reflected or be refracted white light. therefore in the color spectrum of things. were seeing a reflection of something. therefore for something to reflect a certain color it must be everything but that color, because white reflects everything, black absorbs everything. thats why black doesnt reflect. because its everything but light. in order to reflect s color it would be every color/thing but that, then in saying that. everythign we see is everything it isnt. so i am everything but ashyr to reflect myself. truely satanic you say? no wake up fools were in hell!.

the depiction of phisical nature. where else will u experience such torment? not on earth you say?

[thunda]

As some clever enlightened old crone once said :

The key is not to judge, but to experience ..

Or somesuch ..

.. and you know - I think they were right.