Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose

[societyisthematrix]

The official David Icke forum is a waste of time and I'm leaving. Just by contemplating the ridiculous point system that exists here (much less going along with it) you're wasting precious time that you could be spending researching important topics that may help change your life. By contemplating the ridiculous point system you're accepting it subconsciously (and thus also accepting the domination, control, and lack of freedom that comes with their system). It's too much hypocrisy for me to cope with when you consider Icke's message. I'll never look at Icke the same way again.

Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose How unfortunate is it that choosing the official Icke forum is in fact choosing fascism. If you think I'm being melodramatic, just consider how what Icke is doing is similar to what Alex Jones has done.

Alex Jones has censored certain articles that he's posted on his website:


In the end, what differentiates Alex Jones from the Controllers that he opposes (at least superficially)? Our local newspaper does not want its readers to become aware of Victor Thorn’s explosive expose, The New World Order Exposed (which is now in its twelfth printing and is one of the hottest alternative-political books in the country), so they refused to review it. But at least they published an announcement/blurb when it was released. Alex Jones and Prison Planet, on the other hand, engaged in a none-too-subtle form of suppression by deliberately deleting an entire sentence and link to Lisa Guliani’s article. Which one is worse? Likewise, although George Bush’s Justice Department is passing horrifyingly unconstitutional legislation, they have yet to censor one word we have ever published. Alex Jones and Prison Planet have now done so on more than one occasion. Which one is worse?

http://69.28.73.17/alexbigbrother.html

We have the same thing happening at the official Icke forum. David Icke's forum is stooping to the the kind of censorship that we only see in totalitarian states.

Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose. How apt a description is that when you're referring to Icke's official forum?

You must accept the mod's fascism in order to post here, it comes with the territory. There is no freedom here and there never will be freedom there the way the mods are doing things.

[jimijams]

I agree with obvious trolls and disrupters being being penalized or banned, but penalizing other posters for inappropriate language is wrong and hinders the free flow of conversation..
What is appropriate or inappropriate is just a matter of opinion anyway..

[oneofmany]

Giving points for swearing is a bit rich in my opinion

[i_am]

Giving points for swearing is a bit rich in my opinion

Actually I didn't take houdini's penalty as being for saying the word 'crap'. I took it as posting argumentative off topic 'crap'. Maybe I am wrong but having said the word a few times myself, and never having been penalised, that was how I read Sean's PM.

And Houdini, before you say that I said you were talking crap, not so. I have not read all of your posts (nor do I intend to) so I cannot make an informed decision on that subject. Just saying that is how I read Sean's comment.

A storm in a teacup, methinks. I think everyone should just calm down and talk about what we came here to discuss, not argue and go on and on about irrelevant CRAP :rolleyes:

[stikmata]

i wonder if this thread will be around when i wake up tomorrow.

[jimijams]

i wonder if this thread will be around when i wake up tomorrow.
What thread?;)

[stikmata]

i saw the first Macintosh comercial that ever aired (durring the 1984 Super Bowl) tonight.

and it was all like: 1984 won't be "1984"

here it is
1984 - YouTube

somehow i think that has relevancy

[societyisthematrix]

i saw the first Macintosh comercial that ever aired (durring the 1984 Super Bowl) tonight.

and it was all like: 1984 won't be "1984"

here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFtuNPTBZ2k

somehow i think that has relevancy

That was extremely appropriate. A lot of food for thought there especially in regards to this situation. Thanks. :cool:

[societyisthematrix]

What thread?;)

Are they gonna use a little problem-reaction-solution to shut it down or what? No one's broken any rules yet and you're proclaiming the thread DOA. :(

[jimijams]

Are they gonna use a little problem-reaction-solution to shut it down or what? No one's broken any rules yet and you're proclaiming the thread DOA. :(
Move along, nothing to see here..:cool:

[teslafire]

I don't mean to be insensitive towards how many of you feel but I think maybe you guys should cut the admin team a little slack. These people work hard to ensure that random fools don't come posting porn and other nonsense CREATED TO disrupt and disengage those serious pupils of the conspiracy movement. I would bet that more consideration into this logic would soon evidence the need to be conscious of conspiracy "n00bs" and their initial reactions to "The Truth Movement". David Icke is a name that brings in many on the fencers and other wise unawakened peeps, so it is essential to not go off topic in terms of content AND tone.

We all have to make sacrifices if we are going to try and win this infowar, perhaps the points system can be negotiated down to a less austere protocol once the 'waters are clear', so to speak. Lets also not forget that coming into a forum is like coming into someone else's house, you've simply got to respect their rules, there isn't any debating around some standards that the host expects from his guests.

Cheers.

[stikmata]

have you ever read the Illuminatus! Trilogy Tfire?

[teslafire]

I don't read fiction, sorry troll.

But why don't you educate us all about it anyways, maybe you've a point, I'm open to consider even from a troll like you, because I'm open-minded to all styles of communication.

[stikmata]

LMFAO

you take yourself awefully serious all of a sudden!

i understand though, you gotta spiffy it up while you put in your moderator application ;)

it'll be fun to see how you abuse the power going off on LOA folks w/ your "monolith" character :P

i think you need a fisting

[teslafire]

Is it really necessary to use that word. Why don't we keep this off the personal and explore your point about the Illuminatus Trilogy...troll.

[stikmata]

But why don't you educate us all about it anyways, maybe you've a point, I'm open to consider even from a troll like you, because I'm open-minded to all styles of communication.

i took you 3 minutes to edit that in.

you should've just left you comment as it was.

[teslafire]

Well, I realized that I didn't want to come off as insensitive so I came back to my response and wrote a few more lines to more effectively communicate the initial point I was making. You should be thanking me for being so considerate instead of criticizing my efforts.

How's the reading on David Icke's headlines page located at davidicke.com, coming along?

[thirdwave]

The official David Icke forum is a waste of time and I'm leaving. Just by contemplating the ridiculous point system that exists here (much less going along with it) you're wasting precious time that you could be spending researching important topics that may help change your life. By contemplating the ridiculous point system you're accepting it subconsciously (and thus also accepting the domination, control, and lack of freedom that comes with their system). It's too much hypocrisy for me to cope with when you consider Icke's message. I'll never look at Icke the same way again.

Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose How unfortunate is it that choosing the official Icke forum is in fact choosing fascism. If you think I'm being melodramatic, just consider how what Icke is doing is similar to what Alex Jones has done.

Alex Jones has censored certain articles that he's posted on his website:


In the end, what differentiates Alex Jones from the Controllers that he opposes (at least superficially)? Our local newspaper does not want its readers to become aware of Victor Thorn’s explosive expose, The New World Order Exposed (which is now in its twelfth printing and is one of the hottest alternative-political books in the country), so they refused to review it. But at least they published an announcement/blurb when it was released. Alex Jones and Prison Planet, on the other hand, engaged in a none-too-subtle form of suppression by deliberately deleting an entire sentence and link to Lisa Guliani’s article. Which one is worse? Likewise, although George Bush’s Justice Department is passing horrifyingly unconstitutional legislation, they have yet to censor one word we have ever published. Alex Jones and Prison Planet have now done so on more than one occasion. Which one is worse?

http://69.28.73.17/alexbigbrother.html

We have the same thing happening at the official Icke forum. David Icke's forum is stooping to the the kind of censorship that we only see in totalitarian states.

Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose. How apt a description is that when you're referring to Icke's official forum?

You must accept the mod's fascism in order to post here, it comes with the territory. There is no freedom here and there never will be freedom there the way the mods are doing things.

I have to say I think your have a very strange view here.... maybe you are taking into much from the troll crew... this place is SOOOO the opposite to what you are saying!

there is a differenced between rules put in place to create a better place for all in a place where all knowledge is shared and rules put in place as a way of controlling people for your own needs and restricting knowledge which is clearly the agenda of so many who try to rape this place..... those prats on the other forum are only saying this place is not free speech because their free speech is actually the opposite, for years they have been there jumping on anyone who's views they don't like... creating offensive images of them ...insulting them and ruining any thread they create, all in the name of having a sence of humor... well they either need to get out more or check out some Bill Hicks and pick up on some comedy tips. now that this forum is here that they cant piss all over without being confronted they think there is a freedom issue???

what a bunch or retards! they expect us to bend over and the storm troopers get to work??? LOL yeah right.

This is pretty much what the human race IS doing, if you want to bend over and let illuminati ride you good and proper then you are SOOOO free to do so.... but if you want to talk about something else... then all of a sudden things start to get a bit bitter and the "sence of humor" fades away...funny that......

If you really want a free forum, then you should go over to the other place and have a long discussion with the people who clearly have a strong agenda to drag this place down and then complain when they get banned for doing so... the logic is shocking. because they are failing they are as usual resorting to the good old faithful lies and disinfo.

You are free to chat here or you are free to not chat here... I have not had one post deleted and have had no problems because my intent is sincere... but just because you don't like it it does not mean it should be removed.

no one here is forcing anything on anyone... that all goes on on the old dump of a forum... and if you do try to force views on people here it appears its put right by the mods... and I %100 support it.

If I was a Mod here I would be one mean mother... you would have all gone in the first day!

[thirdwave]

I don't mean to be insensitive towards how many of you feel but I think maybe you guys should cut the admin team a little slack. These people work hard to ensure that random fools don't come posting porn and other nonsense CREATED TO disrupt and disengage those serious pupils of the conspiracy movement. I would bet that more consideration into this logic would soon evidence the need to be conscious of conspiracy "n00bs" and their initial reactions to "The Truth Movement". David Icke is a name that brings in many on the fencers and other wise unawakened peeps, so it is essential to not go off topic in terms of content AND tone.

We all have to make sacrifices if we are going to try and win this infowar, perhaps the points system can be negotiated down to a less austere protocol once the 'waters are clear', so to speak. Lets also not forget that coming into a forum is like coming into someone else's house, you've simply got to respect their rules, there isn't any debating around some standards that the host expects from his guests.

Cheers.


I have gone to some chat rooms I have not enjoyed and I have not gone back since.... why are you here if this place is not your cup of tea??

[stikmata]

i should be thanking YOU?!?!?!? for what?!?!? being sensitive enought to roll over and fetch for some extra freedom points?! you were just PRETENDING to not be insensitive so you can buddy up to the mods, get initiated, become super and deduct my freedom points for saying poonani or filthy sanchez... you'd obviously sell out at the drop of a hat for the slightest taste of "power"... no matter how illusionary.

and i respected you and your ideas... especially on root chakra healing... which was censored all over here

wack!

[teslafire]

thirdwave, this forum is a great entry point for beginners to the conspiracy movement, I want to see it do well. I don't think all the warring and vendettas between this forum and the other are healthy, I wish they would stop and focus on a common cause. :)

[teslafire]

i should be thanking YOU?!?!?!? for what?!?!? being sensitive enought to roll over and fetch for some extra freedom points?! you were just PRETENDING to not be insensitive so you can buddy up to the mods, get initiated, become super and deduct my freedom points for saying poonani or filthy sanchez... you'd obviously sell out at the drop of a hat for the slightest taste of "power"... no matter how illusionary.

and i respected you and your ideas... especially on root chakra healing... which was censored all over here

wack!

Sometimes there are times for jokes, sometimes there is time for austerity. The time has come to grow up, troll.

[stikmata]

I wish they would stop and focus on a common cause. :)

the David Icke legal defense fund perhaps?

or perhaps we should focus on areas of his research that are flawed and could use and update? Semarimis anybody?

[stikmata]

Sometimes there are times for jokes, sometimes there is time for austerity. The time has come to grow up, troll.

grow up and what? join the rosecrucians?!?!

[thirdwave]

thirdwave, this forum is a great entry point for beginners to the conspiracy movement, I want to see it do well. I don't think all the warring and vendettas between this forum and the other are healthy, I wish they would stop and focus on a common cause. :)


I dont think they are healthy... and they will stop in time....

[teslafire]

the David Icke legal defense fund perhaps?

or perhaps we should focus on areas of his research that are flawed and could use and update? Semarimis anybody?

Well stikmata, I really appreciate your passion and I think you have alot of potential. But I sense you've a negative view as to the intents of the David Icke legal defense fund and take the side of Ivan Fraser in regards to Mr. Icke's supposedly mistaken research conclusions.

Why, instead, can we not talk about the more positive aspects that we can all find agreeable and inspiring? Is there not enough conflict in the world confusing the minds of the innocent? Why not choose the path of peace amongst like minded folk...where else can you talk about Monatomic Gold, for example? Lets all try and get some perspective, I know we can all get there.

[stikmata]

Well stikmata, I really appreciate your passion and I think you have alot of potential. But I sense you've a negative view as to the intents of the David Icke legal defense fund and take the side of Ivan Fraser in regards to Mr. Icke's supposedly mistaken research conclusions.

Why, instead, can we not talk about the more positive aspects that we can all find agreeable and inspiring? Is there not enough conflict in the world confusing the minds of the innocent? Why not choose the path of peace amongst like minded folk...where else can you talk about Monatomic Gold, for example? Lets all try and get some perspective, I know we can all get there.


dude... who installed the pull string on you?!?!

*pull*

"monotomic gold!"

*pull*

"Icke is right"

forgive my sarcasm... but are you seriously suggesting we sacrifice knowledge and understanding for "peace".... peace on the INTERNET where the most harm i can do to you is with words?!?!? words... these are words... Icke talked a lot about not letting others and their beliefs effect you... why coddle everyone from a couple assholes?.......... sycophant

[teslafire]

dude... who installed the pull string on you?!?!

*pull*

"monotomic gold!"

*pull*

"Icke is right"

forgive my sarcasm... but are you seriously suggesting we sacrifice knowledge and understanding for "peace".... peace on the INTERNET where the most harm i can do to you is with words?!?!? words... these are words... Icke talked a lot about not letting others and their beliefs effect you... why coddle everyone from a couple assholes?.......... sycophant

And by the same token, why let my beliefs upset you, why not let my words be spoken from the treetops of university campus?

I'm not saying we should sacrifice anything, only compromise to get along more smoothly. Its like living with roommates who, together, come up with their own communal code. But that communal code operates within the dictates of its lease from the landlord. If you want pets, well maybe you should buy your own property.;)

But really, you can pretty much say anything you want here, it seems, you do realize that some properties are lined with electric fences and tended to by armed guards bearing shotguns, do you not? ;)

[stikmata]

But really, you can pretty much say anything you want here, it seems,

that's a load of CRAP!

:p

good night dear sycophantic one.... see ya in the morning if i have any freedom points left

[societyisthematrix]

I have to say I think your have a very strange view here.... maybe you are taking into much from the troll crew... this place is SOOOO the opposite to what you are saying!

there is a differenced between rules put in place to create a better place for all in a place where all knowledge is shared and rules put in place as a way of controlling people for your own needs and restricting knowledge which is clearly the agenda of so many who try to rape this place..... those prats on the other forum are only saying this place is not free speech because their free speech is actually the opposite, for years they have been there jumping on anyone who's views they don't like... creating offensive images of them ...insulting them and ruining any thread they create, all in the name of having a sence of humor... well they either need to get out more or check out some Bill Hicks and pick up on some comedy tips. now that this forum is here that they cant piss all over without being confronted they think there is a freedom issue???

what a bunch or retards! they expect us to bend over and the storm troopers get to work??? LOL yeah right.

This is pretty much what the human race IS doing, if you want to bend over and let illuminati ride you good and proper then you are SOOOO free to do so.... but if you want to talk about something else... then all of a sudden things start to get a bit bitter and the "sence of humor" fades away...funny that......

If you really want a free forum, then you should go over to the other place and have a long discussion with the people who clearly have a strong agenda to drag this place down and then complain when they get banned for doing so... the logic is shocking. because they are failing they are as usual resorting to the good old faithful lies and disinfo.

You are free to chat here or you are free to not chat here... I have not had one post deleted and have had no problems because my intent is sincere... but just because you don't like it it does not mean it should be removed.

no one here is forcing anything on anyone... that all goes on on the old dump of a forum... and if you do try to force views on people here it appears its put right by the mods... and I %100 support it.

If I was a Mod here I would be one mean mother... you would have all gone in the first day!

On a normal forum I'd say that your argument is perfectly reasonable but let me remind you, this is the David Icke forum. The same David Icke who's current mantra is "Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose." Unreal.

[trinity1]

I don't read fiction, sorry troll.

But why don't you educate us all about it anyways, maybe you've a point, I'm open to consider even from a troll like you, because I'm open-minded to all styles of communication.

You call someone a troll for asking if you've ever read a certain book? Yeah, you'll be a mod here soon enough. You fit the mould perfectly.

[trinity1]

wack!

Indeed.

[freespark]

I don't mean to be insensitive towards how many of you feel but I think maybe you guys should cut the admin team a little slack. These people work hard to ensure that random fools don't come posting porn and other nonsense CREATED TO disrupt and disengage those serious pupils of the conspiracy movement. I would bet that more consideration into this logic would soon evidence the need to be conscious of conspiracy "n00bs" and their initial reactions to "The Truth Movement". David Icke is a name that brings in many on the fencers and other wise unawakened peeps, so it is essential to not go off topic in terms of content AND tone.

We all have to make sacrifices if we are going to try and win this infowar, perhaps the points system can be negotiated down to a less austere protocol once the 'waters are clear', so to speak. Lets also not forget that coming into a forum is like coming into someone else's house, you've simply got to respect their rules, there isn't any debating around some standards that the host expects from his guests.

Cheers.

Thank you thank you thank you.

Well said mate. ;)

[21_12_2012]

You have to remember, one of the aims of this forum is to let 'newcomers' find out about information that most of us already know.
Imagine, for instance, your mother/grandmother/aunt etc. wanted to find out some of this information, and they come on here and find a load of swearing/pointless joking and ripping each other up, do you think they would take the information seriously?
They would be either offended, or dismiss the whole idea of 'conspiracy-related' matters out of hand.
It's fair enough to say that WE know that swearing/swearwords and ripping each other up are all part of the matrix and not be that concerned about, but newcomers to this site do not think like that. They are still very much 'in the matrix' way of thinking, and that means many of them will take offence and probably refuse to even read the information we are trying to spread to each other and to anyone who wants to read it
People who do not know about any of this deserve respect, or else they won't want to be any part of it.
It's not as easy as 'freedom or fascism', there are levels in between, which people must travel through in order to find their own 'freedom'
You can't just go off the phrase 'freedom or fascism'...that's just the name of a dvd at the end of the day...nothing is just black or white, there are always 'in-betweens'

[trinity1]

Originally Posted by teslafire
I don't mean to be insensitive towards how many of you feel but I think maybe you guys should cut the admin team a little slack. These people work hard to ensure that random fools don't come posting porn and other nonsense CREATED TO disrupt and disengage those serious pupils of the conspiracy movement.

I haven't seen any porn posted, the bannings and infraction points issued have been for asking very pertinent questions. It is my guess at the moment, judging by the events to date, that random fools posting porn is the least of this admi team's worries. It appears that the soul purpose of this admin team is to stop any real debate about the court case issues and suchlike.

I would bet that more consideration into this logic would soon evidence the need to be conscious of conspiracy "n00bs" and their initial reactions to "The Truth Movement". David Icke is a name that brings in many on the fencers and other wise unawakened peeps, so it is essential to not go off topic in terms of content AND tone.

In the interest of truth etc, I would suggestthat this particular debate is VERY relevant to the conspiracy movement. The integrity of the man who's name appears at the top of this site I would say is a very important issue in the conspiracy movement. Debate on this subject has however been stifled by the mods.

We all have to make sacrifices if we are going to try and win this infowar, perhaps the points system can be negotiated down to a less austere protocol once the 'waters are clear', so to speak. Lets also not forget that coming into a forum is like coming into someone else's house, you've simply got to respect their rules, there isn't any debating around some standards that the host expects from his guests.

Cheers.

So you're saying that when all the "dissenters" have been banned or pushed out altogether, then and only then might it be time to adjust the level of modding? hahaha.

I feel sorry for any "n00bs" who come here tbh. What a confusing environment it is. Preach one thing, do the complete opposite.

[societyisthematrix]

You have to remember, one of the aims of this forum is to let 'newcomers' find out about information that most of us already know.
Imagine, for instance, your mother/grandmother/aunt etc. wanted to find out some of this information, and they come on here and find a load of swearing/pointless joking and ripping each other up, do you think they would take the information seriously?
They would be either offended, or dismiss the whole idea of 'conspiracy-related' matters out of hand.
It's fair enough to say that WE know that swearing/swearwords and ripping each other up are all part of the matrix and not be that concerned about, but newcomers to this site do not think like that. They are still very much 'in the matrix' way of thinking, and that means many of them will take offence and probably refuse to even read the information we are trying to spread to each other and to anyone who wants to read it
People who do not know about any of this deserve respect, or else they won't want to be any part of it.
It's not as easy as 'freedom or fascism', there are levels in between, which people must travel through in order to find their own 'freedom'
You can't just go off the phrase 'freedom or fascism'...that's just the name of a dvd at the end of the day...nothing is just black or white, there are always 'in-betweens'

Of course that's true but this is David "we police each other and that's the main problem" Icke. This forum can be run in any way the forum admins want, I have no problem with that. But, it's the hypocrisy of it that makes it hard to take. I mean, my feeling is that if Icke wants to run his forum this way, that's fine. But, he's being exposed as a fraud by doing it.

All of this could be handled in a different way too. I mean, dirty words can be blocked out and there can be a "void forum" set up for hijacked and/or "pointless" or unwanted threads. People can check the void forum ONLY IF they're willing to being exposed to garbage. No point system necessary, no troll rating necessary, no over moderating necessary.

[freespark]

It appears that the soul purpose of this admin team is to stop any real debate about the court case issues and suchlike.

In the interest of truth etc, I would suggestthat this particular debate is VERY relevant to the conspiracy movement. The integrity of the man who's name appears at the top of this site I would say is a very important issue in the conspiracy movement. Debate on this subject has however been stifled by the mods.

Bolloks. Questions where asked and were answered. BUT IT JUST CARRIES ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. The people concerned will just carry on doing it until they 'prove' themselves right. Or another way...THEY WILL CREATE THIER REALITY UNTIL THEY ARE PROVEN RIGHT.

Wake up please.

[freespark]

You have to remember, one of the aims of this forum is to let 'newcomers' find out about information that most of us already know.
Imagine, for instance, your mother/grandmother/aunt etc. wanted to find out some of this information, and they come on here and find a load of swearing/pointless joking and ripping each other up, do you think they would take the information seriously?
They would be either offended, or dismiss the whole idea of 'conspiracy-related' matters out of hand.
It's fair enough to say that WE know that swearing/swearwords and ripping each other up are all part of the matrix and not be that concerned about, but newcomers to this site do not think like that. They are still very much 'in the matrix' way of thinking, and that means many of them will take offence and probably refuse to even read the information we are trying to spread to each other and to anyone who wants to read it
People who do not know about any of this deserve respect, or else they won't want to be any part of it.
It's not as easy as 'freedom or fascism', there are levels in between, which people must travel through in order to find their own 'freedom'
You can't just go off the phrase 'freedom or fascism'...that's just the name of a dvd at the end of the day...nothing is just black or white, there are always 'in-betweens'

Another person speaking complete sense. But will anyone listen? No. It just doesn't break through thier 'reality' as they will see what they want.

Well to all of those people...good luck. I hope somewhere along the road you can see the situation for what it really is and not how you 'want' it to be.

YOU LOT WANT ICKE TO BE WRONG....so that YOU CAN BE RIGHT.

And you know it.

[21_12_2012]

All of this could be handled in a different way too. I mean, dirty words can be blocked out and there can be a "void forum" set up for hijacked and/or "pointless" or unwanted threads. People can check the void forum ONLY IF they're willing to be exposed to garbage. No point system necessary, no troll rating necessary, no over moderating necessary.

It probably could be handled that way, but, that sounds like it would mean a lot of extra work for the moderators, who are doing it out of their own spare time and it kind of defeats the object of the forum in the first place, which, in opinion, is for serious-minded people who want to exchange serious information on serious subjects. That's basically what this site is about, serious topics which sometimes need serious consideration.
I'm not saying nobody should have a laugh, laughing is positive, but the way some of the more 'less serious' members can come across on here (like they have been doing) can ruin the whole thing for everyone, especially newcomers.
Even though David Icke has his name on this site, and the latest motto is "freedom or facism", even David Icke knows that no matter how free we are, or think we are, we are still part of 'the matrix' and to be taken seriously we still have to 'play within some of it's rules' to be taken seriously and to find a balance.
Fascism to freedom has levels, it's not just black and white.

[trinity1]

Bolloks. Questions where asked and were answered. BUT IT JUST CARRIES ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. The people concerned will just carry on doing it until they 'prove' themselves right. Or another way...THEY WILL CREATE THIER REALITY UNTIL THEY ARE PROVEN RIGHT.

Wake up please.

Bollocks? Careful, you'll incur at least 5 infraction points for that violent outburst.

(Not that I'm offended by the word or you directing it at me specifically, I just thought I'd let you know that no one (apart from Premier Subscribers, possibly) are exempt from this system.

[21_12_2012]

YOU LOT WANT ICKE TO BE WRONG....so that YOU CAN BE RIGHT.

And you know it.

It does sound like it sometimes doesn't it.

[trinity1]

Fascism to freedom has levels, it's not just black and white.

I would beg to differ there. You can't have a little bit of freedom or a little bit of fascism. Any amount of encroachment upon individual freedoms and, guess what? It's not freedom any more.

freedom(n) - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints

fascism(n) - A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.

[societyisthematrix]

It probably could be handled that way, but, that sounds like it would mean a lot of extra work for the moderators

Thank for admitting that it could work. I've seen that system work before on two forums. And, that system would be a lot easier for the mods than what they're doing now. Sending people PMs for infraction points and all that. That's a lot more work than just pushing a button and sending threads that get out of hand into "the void." I think that this forum's critics could deal with that too, no point system necessary, if someone is too much of nuisance, just ban them everywhere BUT the void. Piece of cake. :cool:

[societyisthematrix]

I would beg to differ there. You can't have a little bit of freedom or a little bit of fascism. Any amount of encroachment upon individual freedoms and, guess what? It's not freedom any more.

freedom(n) - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints

fascism(n) - A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.

Great point. These people will keep changing definitions until they're proven right by their own, new definitions of what things mean. It's their own form of political correctness that goes right with their fascist mentalities.

[21_12_2012]

I would beg to differ there. You can't have a little bit of freedom or a little bit of fascism. Any amount of encroachment upon individual freedoms and, guess what? It's not freedom any more.

freedom(n) - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints

fascism(n) - A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.

You misunderstand. Going from fascism to freedom involves going through levels to reach freedom.
None of us have ever been completely free, and never will, probably the only way of being completely free is reaching 'one-ness'...infinite consciousness....As far as i can see nobody is at one-ness here, or anywhere near.
If they were, then maybe no rules would need to be imposed.
Far from agreeing with fascism, i do agree that in certain situations, rules need to be in place..."logical rules"

[societyisthematrix]

These people will keep changing definitions until they're proven right by their own, new definitions of what things mean. It's their own form of political correctness that goes right with their fascist mentalities. Case in point:

You misunderstand. Going from fascism to freedom involves going through levels to reach freedom.
None of us have ever been completely free, and never will, probably the only way of being completely free is reaching 'one-ness'...infinite consciousness....As far as i can see nobody is at one-ness here, or anywhere near.
If they were, then maybe no rules would need to be imposed.
Far from agreeing with fascism, i do agree that in certain situations, rules need to be in place..."logical rules"

[trinity1]

You misunderstand. Going from fascism to freedom involves going through levels to reach freedom.
None of us have ever been completely free, and never will, probably the only way of being completely free is reaching 'one-ness'...infinite consciousness....As far as i can see nobody is at one-ness here, or anywhere near.
If they were, then maybe no rules would need to be imposed.
Far from agreeing with fascism, i do agree that in certain situations, rules need to be in place..."logical rules"

Who decides the "levels" between fascism and freedom? They are self-imposed. As is the idea that you can "reach" a state of oneness.

You are right on one point. No one here is "at" oneness. But everyone here "is" oneness.

[amar7]

Are they gonna use a little problem-reaction-solution to shut it down or what? No one's broken any rules yet and you're proclaiming the thread DOA. :(

well i am not one of those who post much, but i never had a problem with mods..
i just think they're too much and imo thats contra-productive

[21_12_2012]

These people will keep changing definitions until they're proven right by their own, new definitions of what things mean. It's their own form of political correctness that goes right with their fascist mentalities. Case in point:

So, you mustn't live in this 2 strand DNA prison which is known as 'the matrix'
And you mustn't be anywhere between freedom or fascism, you're totally free, with no rules in your life, and disagree with all rules. That must be what you're saying.
Because as far as I can see, as long as we live in the matrix, we are not free, nobody is, or else there would be no matrix, we would be 'at one-ness' as well as 'being oneness'
So, if you think i am 'changing definitions' as you put it, well, that's just not true.
I'm stating the facts about NONE of us being at one-ness, so NONE of us live without some form of rules....logical rules....
If somebody came and robbed your house tonight, or stole your car, or mugged you...you would want justice..that's rules....logical rules...
Even the 'higher realms' have rules....so why should we be able to escape them? And HOW?

[societyisthematrix]

So, you mustn't live in this 2 strand DNA prison which is known as 'the matrix'
And you mustn't be anywhere between freedom or fascism, you're totally free, with no rules in your life, and disagree with all rules. That must be what you're saying.
Because as far as I can see, as long as we live in the matrix, we are not free, nobody is, or else there would be no matrix, we would be 'at one-ness' as well as 'being oneness'
So, if you think i am 'changing definitions' as you put it, well, that's just not true.
I'm stating the facts about NONE of us being at one-ness, so NONE of us live without some form of rules....logical rules....
If somebody came and robbed your house tonight, or stole your car, or mugged you...you would want justice..that's rules....logical rules...
Even the 'higher realms' have rules....so why should we be able to escape them? And HOW?

You've turned this from a debate of one thing (whether the mod's behavior is in fact fascist by the normal understanding of what fascism means), into a totally different discussion about the dynamics of the matrix. That takes skill and I respect you for it but at the same time, I don't want to argue about the matrix and what it is. I obviously disagree with your interpretation of what the matrix is anyway, just look at my ID. That's all beside the point. The topic at hand is whether or not the mods are engaging in fascist behavior.

Job well done on trying to confuse the issue though. You had me going for a second. :D

[21_12_2012]

You've turned this from a debate of one thing (whether the mod's behavior is in fact fascist by the normal understanding of what fascism means), into a totally different discussion about the dynamics of the matrix. That takes skill and I respect you for it but at the same time, I don't want to argue about the matrix and what it is. I obviously disagree with your interpretation of what the matrix is anyway, just look at my ID. That's all beside the point. The topic at hand is whether or not the mods are engaging in fascist behavior.

Job well done on trying to confuse the issue though. You had me going for a second. :D

I/m not trying to confuse anything...logical rules are needed wherever we are...some may say 'ethical' rules....similar thing to me....if people disagree then that must make them 'un-ethical' or 'il-logical'
Sounds logical to me anyway.

[edelweiss pirate]

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5641/fascistim9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Reclaiming Fascism: perspective please, people!
No, this isn’t an apologia for Nazis, far from it. It’s a plea to reserve “fascist” for situations which actually warrant the term.

There may (may the gods forbid!) come a time when we need to label a government fascist and be taken seriously. So please, don’t devalue it by calling every little disruption of personal choice “fascist”. It’s a very poor media strategy.



http://stilgherrian.com/politics/reclaiming_fascism/

[societyisthematrix]

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http://stilgherrian.com/politics/reclaiming_fascism/

David Icke's current mantra is "Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose" and he's talking about the whole world when he says that. So, if anyone is misusing the term fascism it's David Icke himself!

[edelweiss pirate]

I like you matrix. You say funny things.

Bless.

[seamus]

David Icke's current mantra is "Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose" and he's talking about the whole world when he says that. So, if anyone is misusing the term fascism it's David Icke himself!

he's talking about governments. Talking about the binding together of powers into a cohesive group. The consolidation of power, and its subsequent misuse.

I don't think anyone would be complaining if all power were used for the benefit of all. Technically a government could be fascist and all for the benefit of humanity. But that's not how fallen human nature works now, is it?

The word "fascist" has a negative connotation and no one can change that.

somehow in all my blustering and strong opinions, I have failed to NOTICE a points system, much less be informed of infractions. I think you all should just have a glass of warm milk and decouple from your emotions before and while posting. It goes a long way toward healty discussion which is WHY WE ARE ALL HERE.

I voted for "other" because I had not read the thread. I thought it was for "staying in society" vs. "heading for the hills". OOps

gratz on mod status, teslafire and thirdwave. I appreciate your honesty and integrity.

:PPPPPPPPPP to all the whiners.

Liberty is a privelege when you're in someone else's house.

Freedom doesn't even exist until you are at the level of universal consciousness, so don't waste your time on earth sniveling about how you don't have it.

Life is not fair, but it IS WONDERFUL

s

[societyisthematrix]

Freedom doesn't even exist until you are at the level of universal consciousness, so don't waste your time on earth sniveling about how you don't have it.


So then what does "Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose" mean then? If you can't have freedom in this life, then why is Icke saying that we can choose freedom if we want it? :confused:

[seamus]

So then what does "Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose" mean then? If you can't have freedom in this life, then why is Icke saying that we can choose freedom if we want it? :confused:

He's saying that you can choose to go in that direction, towards that freedom. I don't happen to agree 100% with his statements about hte nature of this universal oneness, but hey, he said I don't have to!

s

[chocky pud]

Well I haven't been in here for a few days, but I see the same old people are posting the same old garbage.

I cannot think of one person in my lifetime who has done more than David Icke to free humanities collective brain from the "trap" its been in for thousands of years. That somebody would even bother to start a thread with the title of this one or stick a "fascist" label David Iccke or this forum is the most absurd thing I have heard so far this years, and believe me I have heard some absolute garbage!

This thread has some posters with the mentality of kindergarten kiddies, and I don't know why the mods bother entering into debates with these time-wasters because wasting people's time is their soul purpose in life.....give them the "free speech" play-pen they want so badly, then for goodness sake lock the door on the grown-up areas of this forum so we can all get on with some meaningful discussion.

[richmick]

Well I haven't been in here for a few days, but I see the same old people are posting the same old garbage.

I cannot think of one person in my lifetime who has done more than David Icke to free humanities collective brain from the "trap" its been in for thousands of years. That somebody would even bother to start a thread with the title of this one or stick a "fascist" label David Iccke or this forum is the most absurd thing I have heard so far this years, and believe me I have heard some absolute garbage!

This thread has some posters with the mentality of kindergarten kiddies, and I don't know why the mods bother entering into debates with these time-wasters because wasting people's time is their soul purpose in life.....give them the "free speech" play-pen they want so badly, then for goodness sake lock the door on the grown-up areas of this forum so we can all get on with some meaningful discussion.

They have opinions,just like you have opinions. You may not like their opinions, they may not like yours. But i'm happy to hear both sides of an arguement, fairs fair. You use insults to make your point, did you notice, now isn't that, rather childish hmmmm;)

[richmick]

Well I haven't been in here for a few days, but I see the same old people are posting the same old garbage.

I cannot think of one person in my lifetime who has done more than David Icke to free humanities collective brain from the "trap" its been in for thousands of years. That somebody would even bother to start a thread with the title of this one or stick a "fascist" label David Iccke or this forum is the most absurd thing I have heard so far this years, and believe me I have heard some absolute garbage!

This thread has some posters with the mentality of kindergarten kiddies, and I don't know why the mods bother entering into debates with these time-wasters because wasting people's time is their soul purpose in life.....give them the "free speech" play-pen they want so badly, then for goodness sake lock the door on the grown-up areas of this forum so we can all get on with some meaningful discussion.

They have opinions,just like you have opinions. You may not like their opinions, they may not like yours. But i'm happy to hear both sides of an arguement, fairs fair. You use insults to make your point, did you notice, now isn't that, rather childish hmmmm;)

There are trolls and there are free thinkers To question something is not trolling. To trash a forum with useless dribble, is. Your definition of useless dribble, may be different from someone elses mind you, and that's where things get confussing.;)

[chocky pud]

They have opinions,just like you have opinions. You may not like their opinions, they may not like yours. But i'm happy to hear both sides of an arguement, fairs fair. You use insults to make your point, did you notice, now isn't that, rather childish hmmmm;)

There are trolls and there are free thinkers To question something is not trolling. To trash a forum with useless dribble, is. Your definition of useless dribble, may be different from someone elses mind you, and that's where things get confussing.;)

Point taken. I'll try and be more patient. :)

[Mo0n5tar]

I have just joined and i am confident that the mods and i can come to a certain agreement i do not expect to encounter too severe censorship issues, especially this being the David Icke website affiliated forum...

[jimijams]

I have just joined and i am confident that the mods and i can come to a certain agreement i do not expect to encounter too severe censorship issues, especially this being the David Icke website affiliated forum...

Throwing out the gargage isn't censorship it's good housekeeping..

I don't think you'll find a problem MJS post and be damned!

BTW Welcome aboard.http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1871/hifiverx6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by richmick
They have opinions,just like you have opinions. You may not like their opinions, they may not like yours. But i'm happy to hear both sides of an arguement, fairs fair. You use insults to make your point, did you notice, now isn't that, rather childish hmmmm

There are trolls and there are free thinkers To question something is not trolling. To trash a forum with useless dribble, is. Your definition of useless dribble, may be different from someone elses mind you, and that's where things get confussing.

If we fail to call a spade and instead say that perhaps a spade is a toothpick or a fairy cake... we're going to get cracked teeth..

Similarly I think we would be unwise to call a troll a positive and helpful poster.... we're going to have a cracked forum...

Just a wee bit of common sense for ya Rich. Savour it, ruminate it even spit it out if you wish.

[richmick]

If we fail to call a spade and instead say that perhaps a spade is a toothpick or a fairy cake... we're going to get cracked teeth..

Similarly I think we would be unwise to call a troll a positive and helpful poster.... we're going to have a cracked forum...

Just a wee bit of common sense for ya Rich. Savour it, ruminate it even spit it out if you wish.

Just a wee bit of common sense for ya Rich. Savour it, ruminate it even spit it out if you wish lol quite a overly dramatic ending there Ed, whatever it means :D

You seem to struggle to understand my point. I'll try and make it ever so simple for you to understand K;) .

I am saying, to confuse a free thinker, who asks questions, with being a troll is quite tragic. But i feel, from my observations, that free thinkers are deliberately being labelled as trolls (some anyway) because they are deemed to be asking the wrong questions, yeah know, questions some individuals dont want to be asked. So genuine, interesting, curious peoples are being labelled troll, simply for asking revelevant questions.

It's like the governmennt, labelling some one a rascist, for questioning immigration. To shut them up. Are you still with me Ed, catch up quick if you are trailing.

There are trolls, yes, i'm not saying there are not. But they do stick out somewhat, it's not hard to see them.

Mr. Icke, if your reading this, i must say, you have blind followers who will not fault you, regardless of truth or lie. You must see this forum is imbalanced and simply goes against the grain of your beliefs. Why dont you step in and give some guidance to the mods. I feel, not think, that this place is filling up with mod trolls. Not all of them, but some are behaving irrationally and giving the place a bad vibe. No, i'm not a troll, but i bet you someone, the blind followers, the egotistical, will do their best to brand me with such a label. Feel this place, dont think it, and you will know what i mean.

namaste ;)

[sean]

Guys, try to keep it civil.

richmick I can assure you there are no troll mods here. We are doing our best to make this place good for everyone and not the select few who seem to want to ruin it.

Please PM me with specific examples of bad moderation and I'll see if i can't explain or rectify it for you.

[wanderer]

Hahahahahaha! Look closely now folks... and in the immortal words of Rolf Harris - "Can you see what it is yet?"

The poll we are being asked to contribute to is highly illustrative of a certain mindset - and ironic in the extreme.

We are presented with two choices - both rigged against the forum....but with a very emotive and serious accusation to influence our decision. I doubt Joseph Goerbels could have done a better job.

If 'free speech' is about exercising your 'right' to be obnoxious, abusive, disruptive, rude and boorish - then I for one would be very happy if you simply follow mickyjay's excellent example and find another place to do this.

However if 'fascism' (as demonstrated by the neat Orwellian logic here) now means to take part in open and intellectual discussion without being subjected to the above ego-centric behaviour...well count me in.

We have no rights, but those we earn - and we do that by exercising maturity and respect for others - especially those we disagree with. We don't need to use expletives to make a point, and we don't need coercion to make it stick.

And before I finish - I suggest that those of you readily casting accusations of 'fascism' about, please ponder this:

When the true horrors of fascism are fully realised and openly roaming the land...when they come to call on you and your families, will you still feel so pleased that you made such an effort to destroy something that is doing its utmost to prevent such an eventuality?

Peace

[edelweiss pirate]

He's rather a puzzling character this Richmick fellow....

Quick to take offense and then quick to offend...

I hope you sort out whatever's upsetting you. Sincerely.

Which forum have you been on recently Rich.. not the same as us that's for sure..

[harx bhullar]

You misunderstand. Going from fascism to freedom involves going through levels to reach freedom.
None of us have ever been completely free, and never will, probably the only way of being completely free is reaching 'one-ness'...infinite consciousness....As far as i can see nobody is at one-ness here, or anywhere near.
If they were, then maybe no rules would need to be imposed.
Far from agreeing with fascism, i do agree that in certain situations, rules need to be in place..."logical rules"

Just falling into this thread, been following it a bit on other threads too.

So you are saying that people only can have freedom if they "deserve it". And the mere reason rules have to be imposed, is because the people can not be trusted/have not deserved it. And the power to decide who deserves what lays in the subjective hands of an elite few, and that's ok too.

A very "1933"-ish attitude :p

I think there's a larger picture here that gets sadly missed by a few, it seems..

[edelweiss pirate]

1933 attitude?

Absurd. Utter nonsense!
Where is your common sense?... heaven's man... That is utterly offensive to all those millions of people who have actually suffered torture degredation and death as a result of real fascisim while you sit there at the comfort of your computer moaning because you find it an agreable way to spend the weekend.


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5641/fascistim9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) FASCIST!


Reclaiming Fascism: perspective please, people!
No, this isn’t an apologia for Nazis, far from it. It’s a plea to reserve “fascist” for situations which actually warrant the term.

There may (may the gods forbid!) come a time when we need to label a government fascist and be taken seriously. So please, don’t devalue it by calling every little disruption of personal choice “fascist”. It’s a very poor media strategy.



http://stilgherrian.com/politics/reclaiming_fascism/[/QUOTE]

[ho1ogram]

Man, this is one painful thread. But I can't ... stop... my ... self.. from commenting.

People think freedom is an internet forum? And it has rules, so it's run by fascists? Man, what are you doing here if you hate it so much? You gotta get out more often.

On the plus side, your kindergarten sulking and swearing is extremely funny. ('It's a free world, I should be able to swear in any forum, etc.' ha, ha, ha, 'Everyone here is a Nazi, boo hoo' ha, ha, ha,)

Oh boy. Anyway, for forum newbies like me, what's a troll?

[wanderer]

Man, this is one painful thread. But I can't ... stop... my ... self.. from commenting.

People think freedom is an internet forum? And it has rules, so it's run by fascists? Man, what are you doing here if you hate it so much? You gotta get out more often.

On the plus side, your kindergarten sulking and swearing is extremely funny. ('It's a free world, I should be able to swear in any forum, etc.' ha, ha, ha, 'Everyone here is a Nazi, boo hoo' ha, ha, ha,)

Oh boy. Anyway, for forum newbies like me, what's a troll?

Nice entrance ho1ogram. Welcome.

A troll is generally someone who comes here to disrupt. abuse, insult, and make a general nuisance of themselves.

Seems to be the only way some people can get attention - a bit tragic, but if they stay here long enough, they might evolve.

;)

[thirdwave]

a troll is someone who comes here with a false presentation or false motive... there real motives to hijack threads and disrupt the place...

we will sort em out.... ;)


fascist forum?? ... ridiculus accusations...

our job is to make sure such people do not ruin the forum for genuine posters. It is unfortunate if these trolls are making the place a bit more on guard and thus effecting honest posters here... but like I say we will sort it...

[harx bhullar]

1933 attitude?

Absurd. Utter nonsense!
Where is your common sense?... heaven's man... That is utterly offensive to all those millions of people who have actually suffered torture degredation and death as a result of real fascisim while you sit there at the comfort of your computer moaning because you find it an agreable way to spend the weekend.


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5641/fascistim9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) FASCIST!




http://stilgherrian.com/politics/reclaiming_fascism/

Wow no need to get all nasty. When i say 1933-ish attitude, i am referring to the general apolegetic cq "logical" way the german people dealt with the upcoming surge of nationalism. Also comparable (in a 911 context) with a 2004-ish attitude, when GW stole yet another election and the agenda steadily unrolled. Between 2001 and 2004 a lot of people who one would consider to have common sense fell for the "we need security(read: draconian control measures), these rules are a logical consequence.." And slowly we're beginning to realise we're a bit "fucked" (excusez le mot) and also a bit stuck because of the new system that has been installed.

For argument sake just think about it.

And it's not nice to call someone a fascist out of the blue. :cool:

[21_12_2012]

Just falling into this thread, been following it a bit on other threads too.

So you are saying that people only can have freedom if they "deserve it". And the mere reason rules have to be imposed, is because the people can not be trusted/have not deserved it. And the power to decide who deserves what lays in the subjective hands of an elite few, and that's ok too.

A very "1933"-ish attitude :p

I think there's a larger picture here that gets sadly missed by a few, it seems..

No, i am not saying 'people can only have freedom if they deserve it'
What i mean is, it is not as easy as "freedom or fascism". It is not simply a 'black or white' or a 'one or the other' situation.
There are levels between fascism and freedom. And nobody will be totally free unless 'one-ness' is achieved, which isn't going to happen as long as we remain in this '2 strand DNA prison' that we call reality.
THEREFORE:- there will always be rules to some extent, whether they are strict rules/not-so-strict-rules/logical rules/rules of morality etc etc
A life without any form of rules altogether would be one-ness, and we are far from one-ness, therefore at least logical rules apply in a forum like this where a healthy balance must be maintained to cater for everybody.

[harx bhullar]

Wouldn't the most logical course of action be instating the "void forum" suggestion i've seen mentioned here in GC a few times, and abandoning the "points system" (to be honest that really kinda creeps me out, the other rules i don't mind a lot as they are quite common on forums)? I can understand why people would object to such a measure.

And as someone has said, putting threads in a void forum section instead of laboriously editing them, it would save the moderators a lot of time, and take some heat of the controversy.

You don't always know when a thread is at a dead end, or if it just is having a dead end moment, soon to be followed by a post that throws it into a whole new direction and makes the thread all the more worthwhile. (i've seen 3-page dead end threads blossom into 80-page monster threads..) Should a mod be that quick a judge as to close threads whenever he/she feels like it? :confused:

Isn't that like throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

[thirdwave]

Wouldn't the most logical course of action be instating the "void forum" suggestion i've seen mentioned here in GC a few times, and abandoning the "points system" (to be honest that really kinda creeps me out, the other rules i don't mind a lot as they are quite common on forums)? I can understand why people would object to such a measure.

And as someone has said, putting threads in a void forum section instead of laboriously editing them, it would save the moderators a lot of time, and take some heat of the controversy.

You don't always know when a thread is at a dead end, or if it just is having a dead end moment, soon to be followed by a post that throws it into a whole new direction and makes the thread all the more worthwhile. (i've seen 3-page dead end threads blossom into 80-page monster threads..) Should a mod be that quick a judge as to close threads whenever he/she feels like it? :confused:

Isn't that like throwing the baby out with the bathwater?


The point system is actually a way of being more easy going and encase we lose track of stuff and ban someone unfairly... the point thing means everyone is treated the same and we have a record of people who have been out of order to other posters...

the rules are in place as they are in a football match.... brake the rules the ref will right your number in the book.... do it again and he will show you a yellow card...again it will be red... its the same here, there are so many people with different views we have to have rules in place otherwise it would be a fight club. argue if you like and disagree but do not be a nasty no need to be nasty.

the forum is very easy going... but we have to defend people the right to say what they want with out being bullied down by other posters...

we are actually trying to remove the fascist occurrences from the room, thats our job and as we do it these people are accusing the forum of doing what they are doing....

[21_12_2012]

In my opinion, the aim of this forum should be to educate both newcomers and the more 'knowledgeable' people to his information.
It should be presented in a way that will encourage people to want to participate in the forum, and also encourage newcomers to 'find out more'.
For this to be achieved, the forum cannot look like it is 'out of control' or looking like it has 'all kinds of morons' doing basically whatever they want and ruining the overall object of the forum in the first place.
If that means that the moderators have the final decision on what is deemed as 'acceptable' behaviour, then in my opinion that is fair enough.
I'm not saying all moderators are perfect, nobody is perfect, but the rules for this forum are hardly strict, even if some people think it is fascism. To me it is logical.
There is a humour section which people can post 'less serious' information in, but other than that i can't see the point of other sections being added to the site, becasue basically this forum is about serious issues, and people want to come to a site that gives the impression that the information being discussed here is in at least a 'semi-serious' fashion.

[richmick]

He's rather a puzzling character this Richmick fellow....

Quick to take offense and then quick to offend...

I hope you sort out whatever's upsetting you. Sincerely.

Which forum have you been on recently Rich.. not the same as us that's for sure..


Dont patronise me Ed, a habit of yours i've noticed. Is this all you have to say??? hmmmmm speaks volumes;) :rolleyes:

Have a nice day:D

[harx bhullar]

The point system is actually a way of being more easy going and encase we lose track of stuff and ban someone unfairly... the point thing means everyone is treated the same and we have a record of people who have been out of order to other posters...

the rules are in place as they are in a football match.... brake the rules the ref will right your number in the book.... do it again and he will show you a yellow card...again it will be red... its the same here, there are so many people with different views we have to have rules in place otherwise it would be a fight club. argue if you like and disagree but do not be a nasty no need to be nasty.

the forum is very easy going... but we have to defend people the right to say what they want with out being bullied down by other posters...

we are actually trying to remove the fascist occurrences from the room, thats our job and as we do it these people are accusing the forum of doing what they are doing....

But specific words like "crap" "fisting" and "motherfucking cunt" all merrit points? Or does it depend on the context in which they are used?

So if one's style was particularly foulmouthed but to the point (as some people just are) that would bias his "record" in favor of more polite users? Or would his unique foulmouthed way of conveying messages be taken in account, if there is no obvious bad intent?

[richmick]

1933 attitude?

Absurd. Utter nonsense!
Where is your common sense?... heaven's man... That is utterly offensive to all those millions of people who have actually suffered torture degredation and death as a result of real fascisim while you sit there at the comfort of your computer moaning because you find it an agreable way to spend the weekend.


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5641/fascistim9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) FASCIST!




http://stilgherrian.com/politics/reclaiming_fascism/[/QUOTE]

Hmmm condecending, patronising. Ed, i'm very happy i dont frequent the forums you go to. Thankyou god, godhead, infinite love, babaji, mohammad, jesus, Roy orbison and the supremes, thankyou;) :D . It's all good;)

[edelweiss pirate]

A healthy mind in a healthy body... (sorry very Arian of me lol)..

Why fill your head and this nice forum with words that really do not benefit to the joys of love making or female genitalia?

The coarsening of decency behaviour and moral standards is part of the pre NWO world degredation agenda and will be part of their excuse for ushering in a NWO if they ever manage it.

We could all make a decision to rise above vulgarity and display civilised behaviour? Swearing doesn't make you free, quite the opposite in fact, there's certainly nothing positive or joyful about it.. It reflects a loss of self control and of articulation... Should be avoided if possible. I mean, what if your gran showed up here?

Oh and Rich, have a nice cup of tea, some waggon wheels (or whatever biscuit you prefer), get your feet up and have a nice evening.
Love
Ed

PS What is your favourite biscuit?

[richmick]

A healthy mind in a healthy body... (sorry very Arian of me lol)..

Why fill your head and this nice forum with words that really do not benefit to the joys of love making or female genitalia?

The coarsening of decency behaviour and moral standards is part of the pre NWO world degredation agenda and will be part of their excuse for ushering in a NWO if they ever manage it.

We could all make a decision to rise above vulgarity and display civilised behaviour? Swearing doesn't make you free, quite the opposite in fact, there's certainly nothing positive or joyful about it.. It reflects a loss of self control and of articulation... Should be avoided if possible. I mean, what if your gran showed up here?

Funny, David Icke thinks swearing is rather an absurdity, it means nothing, unless of course, you make it something. I see alot of that going on here, the making it something mentality. On David Ickes forum,eh, you do him a dis-service.

Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

No one should have 'the power' to dictate to others, how they themselves perceive, what is concidered to be righteous. Unless of course, it involves saving a soul from a obvious preditor:)

[sean]

You can swear. You can't attack another poster. If you want to attack using swearing, that's still an attack.

Fuck. I'm swearing right there. You are free to do so also. However, if someone decides to spam the board with pointless swearing or anything else for that matter - its very different. Likewise, if somebody decides to verbally attack someone using swearing, or anything else for that matter - also different.

Swearing within conversation, though, is absolutely fine. I've not said swearing isn't allowed here.

[harx bhullar]

A healthy mind in a healthy body... (sorry very Arian of me lol)..

Why fill your head and this nice forum with words that really do not benefit to the joys of love making or female genitalia?

The coarsening of decency behaviour and moral standards is part of the pre NWO world degredation agenda and will be part of their excuse for ushering in a NWO if they ever manage it.

We could all make a decision to rise above vulgarity and display civilised behaviour? Swearing doesn't make you free, quite the opposite in fact, there's certainly nothing positive or joyful about it.. It reflects a loss of self control and of articulation... Should be avoided if possible. I mean, what if your gran showed up here?


Even civilised people use words like "cunt" "twat" or "pussy" when the occasion arises. Or at least i like to think so..

(ps. i'd love to make a ps. my granny is motherfucking cunt-pun here, but i'm afraid moderators might interpret that as breaking forum policy so i'll refrain from that one.. would've been a funny one tho ;))

[edelweiss pirate]

"I do icke a disservice" by definding the right of trolls to call people c@$s...?

Well whatever, opinion is against you on this issue, unless of course all of King of the Mountain's ID's were reactivated, then you might have a point lol.

Don't expect there'd be much intelligent debate going on then, or many honest seekers.. Depends what you want Rich.. Most of us here now know what we want. The choice is for a positive forum where posters are not to be unusually offensive to each other...

Essentially what you want is a right to be offensive... I feel there's already rather too much of that in the world we live in tbh.

[richmick]

"I do icke a disservice" by definding the right of trolls to call people c@$s...?

Well whatever, opinion is against you on this issue, unless of course all of King of the Mountain's ID's were reactivated, then you might have a point lol.

Don't expect there'd be much intelligent debate going on then, or many honest seekers.. Depends what you want Rich.. Most of us here now know what we want. The choice is for a positive forum where posters are not to be unusually offensive to each other...

Essentially what you want is a right to be offensive... I feel there's already rather too much of that in the world we live in tbh.


No i dont. I know trolls are a pain in the ass, but they are so obvious to spot, it's not hard to route them out. But if an individual expresses themselves, using terms, that the uptight deem insufficient, then you are basically surpressing ones right to be themselves.

But also, tricky questions, ((for the mods anyway)), should not be shunned aside, simply because they dis-approve of the direction the question will take them. The word troll is used inappropriatly, against those who simply ask hard questions.

This should not be a big problem, but it has become a problem, because defining whose a troll and whose a free thinkier, the curious, the brave, has become somewhat blurred. yeah know:p

[sean]

It's the job of the moderators to spot the "trolls" and to react as appropriate. I see that you don't have much faith in us, but we are trying our best and that's all I can say really.

I promise to make it clearer about exactly what the ins and outs are of the system we have that makes us label someone as a troll... but at the end of the day its about moderation. If you are against the idea of moderation taking place, then there isnt much that can be done, as we have made the decision to moderate this place for the benefit of everybody.

If there is a specific example of something you disagree with, PM me or another moderator and i will answer your questions honestly, in a civilised way, and hopefully help you as best I can.

So far, not a single person that has been banned (and there aren't that many) or had their accounts restricted, have been for the reason of asking difficult questions or simply swearing within their conversation.