How to open the heart chakra & become"enlightened"

[rossus]

I used to think to become enlightened is only something for the grand masters of meditation,
who have been practicing it for 40 years with lots of effort.

But actually to become enlightened is not very hard, almost anyone can do it.
But he or she must really want it.

If inside yourself there is this desire to be loved and happy always and forever.

Then the chance is big that you can become "enlightened".
To become enlightened, you must remember who you really are...
rediscover the real you.

You are love :)
To remember you must stop believing your thoughts. Stop believing you are unenlightened, because you are not!
This does not mean to start believing you are enlightened, believing you are love, believing you are god!

Because then you would just create a new lie. Believe a new story.
You don't need more stories... you want something that's real.
Something that nourishes the heart...

If you find a real good teacher, you will feel it inside your heart.
There will be a recognition that the teaching he gives is authentic.
A true teaching is a very simple teaching.

You must not acquire any knowledge or any skill.
You must only learn to love.
Love yourself, your environment, the people around you, the situation you are in...

When you belief that problems exist, problems will take hold of you.
If you belief that suffering exists, suffering will take hold of you.
As long as you believe hurt exists, pain will hurt you.

They will because you will believe it's something to be avoided.
So you will close your heart when they arise...
You will stop loving because you think it's bad or because you are affraid or because you are hurt.

You cannot be hurt! You cannot be touched!
Nothing can go wrong, except for if you believe something can go wrong!

Stop believing that you are your body, your mind, your thoughts, or anything which can be defined by thought.
To be yourself, you must not belief there is a self.
You will always be, even if you stop believing there is a self.

It is the BELIEF in a seperate self that creates all the problems.
When you believe there is a you, you will believe there is a not you.
If you believe there is a good, you will believe there is a bad...

http://nederlands.skepdic.com/images/yinyang.gif

Black and white are not seperate, just like you and god are not seperate.
Permanent happiness, love and bliss, can only be there inside you when you allow it to be.
Are you ready to stop pretending there are problems?
Are you ready to stop pretending your are anything else but loved and anything else but love?

Inside you already know.
Let love take you back home :)


you might want to try this
http://www.riverganga.org/ramana.shtml
and the ones in my signature

http://www.koausa.org/Gods/Hanuman1.jpg

[logic bomb]

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[abrilliantone]

and that is the key "remembering" that you ARE Infinite Love that is the only truth. everything else is a illusion which we create. you guys hear that...? it's Oneness calling us home...

[december]

To become enlightened, you must remember who you really are...
rediscover the real you.

If this is the case then you need to learn about Goddess Moksha.

[cjellwood]

nice post Rossus

Dont forget that the light is always around you, it is here now, not to be found, it is here now! Jesus said ,"the kingdom of heaven is all around you, you just cant see it".

I learned this the hard way when the small amount of light I could see disapeared. It is very peculiar how it works, you can be in a room with 20 lights turned on but it is still dark! Tune into the light

[slave]

I used to think to become enlightened is only something for the grand masters of meditation,
who have been practicing it for 40 years with lots of effort.

But actually to become enlightened is not very hard, almost anyone can do it.
But he or she must really want it.

If inside yourself there is this desire to be loved and happy always and forever.

Then the chance is big that you can become "enlightened".
To become enlightened, you must remember who you really are...
rediscover the real you.

You are love :)
To remember you must stop believing your thoughts. Stop believing you are unenlightened, because you are not!
This does not mean to start believing you are enlightened, believing you are love, believing you are god!

Because then you would just create a new lie. Believe a new story.
You don't need more stories... you want something that's real.
Something that nourishes the heart...

If you find a real good teacher, you will feel it inside your heart.
There will be a recognition that the teaching he gives is authentic.
A true teaching is a very simple teaching.

You must not acquire any knowledge or any skill.
You must only learn to love.
Love yourself, your environment, the people around you, the situation you are in...

When you belief that problems exist, problems will take hold of you.
If you belief that suffering exists, suffering will take hold of you.
As long as you believe hurt exists, pain will hurt you.

They will because you will believe it's something to be avoided.
So you will close your heart when they arise...
You will stop loving because you think it's bad or because you are affraid or because you are hurt.

You cannot be hurt! You cannot be touched!
Nothing can go wrong, except for if you believe something can go wrong!

Stop believing that you are your body, your mind, your thoughts, or anything which can be defined by thought.
To be yourself, you must not belief there is a self.
You will always be, even if you stop believing there is a self.

It is the BELIEF in a seperate self that creates all the problems.
When you believe there is a you, you will believe there is a not you.
If you believe there is a good, you will believe there is a bad...

http://nederlands.skepdic.com/images/yinyang.gif

Black and white are not seperate, just like you and god are not seperate.
Permanent happiness, love and bliss, can only be there inside you when you allow it to be.
Are you ready to stop pretending there are problems?
Are you ready to stop pretending your are anything else but loved and anything else but love?

Inside you already know.
Let love take you back home :)


you might want to try this
http://www.riverganga.org/ramana.shtml
and the ones in my signature

http://www.koausa.org/Gods/Hanuman1.jpg

I don't find a teacher aut of me for meditation. Meditation is about my feeling
I don't give autority to other persons about my feeling even if there are good feeling. I must be the master of myself . If I love is not because a teacher tell me to love. This a system to stop love in persons. because if you impose a natural way of life you stop what is natural (love in this case).
This is my personal opinion. Find a teacher for spiritual questions I must find in myself no aut. I cannot be hurt, I cannot be touched yes, is true but not because you tell me this. A person can not incide to evolution of another person. And if someone try do do this is for his EGO. You discover a true and
after you try to put your personal truth in the head of others persons.
Strange, I have got some boubts about this so called teachers. (in spiritual
questions).. "I must learn to love!!" love is natural is not to be learn
MUST LEARN TO LOVE! This is violence over coscience!! I'm love but not because you told me this. Clear??

[mk72]

I used to think to become enlightened is only something for the grand masters of meditation,
who have been practicing it for 40 years with lots of effort.

But actually to become enlightened is not very hard, almost anyone can do it.
But he or she must really want it.

If inside yourself there is this desire to be loved and happy always and forever.

Then the chance is big that you can become "enlightened".
To become enlightened, you must remember who you really are...
rediscover the real you.

You are love :)
To remember you must stop believing your thoughts. Stop believing you are unenlightened, because you are not!
This does not mean to start believing you are enlightened, believing you are love, believing you are god!

Because then you would just create a new lie. Believe a new story.
You don't need more stories... you want something that's real.
Something that nourishes the heart...

If you find a real good teacher, you will feel it inside your heart.
There will be a recognition that the teaching he gives is authentic.
A true teaching is a very simple teaching.

You must not acquire any knowledge or any skill.
You must only learn to love.
Love yourself, your environment, the people around you, the situation you are in...

When you belief that problems exist, problems will take hold of you.
If you belief that suffering exists, suffering will take hold of you.
As long as you believe hurt exists, pain will hurt you.

They will because you will believe it's something to be avoided.
So you will close your heart when they arise...
You will stop loving because you think it's bad or because you are affraid or because you are hurt.

You cannot be hurt! You cannot be touched!
Nothing can go wrong, except for if you believe something can go wrong!

Stop believing that you are your body, your mind, your thoughts, or anything which can be defined by thought.
To be yourself, you must not belief there is a self.
You will always be, even if you stop believing there is a self.

It is the BELIEF in a seperate self that creates all the problems.
When you believe there is a you, you will believe there is a not you.
If you believe there is a good, you will believe there is a bad...

http://nederlands.skepdic.com/images/yinyang.gif

Black and white are not seperate, just like you and god are not seperate.
Permanent happiness, love and bliss, can only be there inside you when you allow it to be.
Are you ready to stop pretending there are problems?
Are you ready to stop pretending your are anything else but loved and anything else but love?

Inside you already know.
Let love take you back home :)


you might want to try this
http://www.riverganga.org/ramana.shtml
and the ones in my signature

http://www.koausa.org/Gods/Hanuman1.jpg

A very important message. Well said:)

[i am all i am]

G'day Rossus.

Great post, well done and thank you for sharing your thoughts.



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[phoebe]

Lovely post Rossus.
And so true: 'Stop believing you are unenlightened, because you are not!'
You are enlightenment itself.

I think people get into this whole searching thing.
To search implies that something is lost.
When it's right there in front of you and always has been.
You just have to want to see it.
When you do, you will.
:)

[synergy777]

the point of enlightenment is to have compassion, so if love one another, like yahsuah said, you are enlightned, the truth is a paradox, its simple, but hard to be!

[baron von lotsov]

Oh such a Looooovely post.

Alistair Crowley was such a nice and enlightened man.

I'm a complete sucker for the New Age occult.

[phoebe]

Oh such a Looooovely post.

Alistair Crowley was such a nice and enlightened man.

I'm a complete sucker for the New Age occult.

What does Crowley have to do with it, pray tell?
Come to that, what does New Age occult have to do with it?

Yeshuah, Siddartha/Buddha, Boddidharma, Lao Tzu... hardly 'new age'.
To know god is to be enlightened.
As a Christian, do you not know god or hope to?

[synergy777]

baron, up to your usual,lol

[phoebe]

baron, up to your usual,lol

I think he does it just out of habit now.
A conditioned response.
Mechanical...
He doesn't even seem passionate about it any more.
lol

[baron von lotsov]

What does Crowley have to do with it, pray tell?
Come to that, what does New Age occult have to do with it?

Yeshuah, Siddartha/Buddha, Boddidharma, Lao Tzu... hardly 'new age'.
To know god is to be enlightened.
As a Christian, do you not know god or hope to?

Try visiting Glastonbury sometime and you will see that shit everywhere. Crowley, Yin Yang bollox, Hindu shit, Blavatsky, Global warming, freemasons. Indeed it is all pushed by the system and for a very good reason, something you lot are totally blinded to, bar one or two people on here who employ their brain.

And shut the fuck up about Christians, you are already boring the pants off me.

[synergy777]

baron is the last bastion of what makes this country great. i reckon he wears tweed, barbour coats, has a labrador.

[phoebe]

Try visiting Glastonbury sometime and you will see that shit everywhere. Crowley, Yin Yang bollox, Hindu shit, Blavatsky, Global warming, freemasons. Indeed it is all pushed by the system and for a very good reason, something you lot are totally blinded to, bar one or two people on here who employ their brain.

And shut the fuck up about Christians, you are already boring the pants off me.

lol
That's better!
More like the Baron we know and love. (Still avoiding questions like a politician)

Regardless of the new age merchandise on sale in Glastonbury - the issue being discussed is enlightenment.
You are Christian right?
Therefore you believe in Jesus...
Jesus was an enlightened being...
I want to know...
What's 'new age occult' about enlightenment?
And do you not seek (or have found) this state through your faith?

[cleft_asunder]

Lovely post Rossus.
And so true: 'Stop believing you are unenlightened, because you are not!'
You are enlightenment itself.

I think people get into this whole searching thing.
To search implies that something is lost.
When it's right there in front of you and always has been.
You just have to want to see it.
When you do, you will.
:)

Excellent original post. I've been wanting someone to tell it like that for a while now.

Good points phoebe. I want to mention that not only should you get the thought out of your head that you're unenlightened, but while meditating --and even walking around is a meditation-- get the thought out of your head that you're doing something wrong. The only time you're doing something wrong is when you think you are. To be successful at meditating, the only trick is to enjoy yourself and do it like a child would do it, totally care-free. Play around with meditation, don't work on meditation!

[cleft_asunder]

What does Crowley have to do with it, pray tell?
Come to that, what does New Age occult have to do with it?

Yeshuah, Siddartha/Buddha, Boddidharma, Lao Tzu... hardly 'new age'.
To know god is to be enlightened.
As a Christian, do you not know god or hope to?

To make a long description short, the term New Age was brought into our culture to corrupt what one could really call truth: The enlightenment state, discovering who you are. Enlightenment has nothing to do with books or philosophies.

The New Age movement is an obese and corrupt religion which thinks it has something to do with enlightenment, but in fact you will likely never realise your true nature through the New Age because it is nothing but a burden--a ball and chain that prevents truth. Just like Christianity and other religions.

The two really have nothing to do with each other.

[december]

Oh such a Looooovely post.

Alistair Crowley was such a nice and enlightened man.

I'm a complete sucker for the New Age occult.

I agree with you - there are MANY freaks in the New Age movement.

And by the way, what if Aleister Crowley was an agent of Vatican whose goal was to discredit the occult people?

[cleft_asunder]

baron is the last bastion of what makes this country great. i reckon he wears tweed, barbour coats, has a labrador.

That's funny because I've always pictured him like that.

[synergy777]

Its Style, When I Get Old, Grandpa/middle Ages Level, Thats The Good Dress, Watch Lock Stock/snatch. A Bit Of Aquascutum, Barbour, The Tweed Flatcaps, By New Era, Lol. Going On Walks With Ya Dogs, Family, Popping Into Country Pubs, Thats The England I Like. Although The Ironic Thing Is That Us Ethnics Like That England More Than The Anglos. Its A Romantic Vision, A Heritage Thing. English People Should Be Proud And Share Their Culture, Like We Share Ours. English People Go To Indian Takeaways/restaurants, We Go To Pubs Etc. Its The Bloody Politicians Again, All Wanting Us All To Denounce Our Cultures And Adopt A Global Clone Consumerist Culture.

[thomascovenant]

Law of one will soon be widely recognised.

[synergy777]

law of one love!

[chris]

I'm with Baron on this one...You peep are all on crack.

[synergy777]

well tell baron to stop supplying it!

[cleft_asunder]

One thing I don't agree with is that evil doesn't exist and we shouldn't confirm it. That's rubbish, and the Illuminati love it when we think like that. "Ignorance is bliss" is the motto for the masses. What we should do is not FEAR evil, since that gives it power to manifest. But to ignore evil is no protection! For example, ignoring aspertame doesn't make you immune. What you don't know WILL hurt you.

The concept of "no evil" and positive thoughts and shit have nothing to do with enlightenment. I do agree that you should love yourself and others and you should be positive, but don't put on horse blinders. In fact, if you want to realise your true state, you MUST confront the demons inside of you. It is New Age misinformation to focus on the good in you only, and to renounce the ugly. Also, you don't want to supress the ego, you want to observe it. By supression you aren't rising above it, you are only supressing. By watching any analysing your ego, you eventually see clearly what it is and then you naturally have risen above it.

[edelweiss pirate]

Soooooo..... enlightened.. Illuminated...

Do you know the difference?

If so please let me know...

Putting a tag on it and saying 'I'm enlightened..' or 'I want to be enlightened'

Is opening yourself up to all sorts of mayhem...

Just meditate, control your thoughts... because if you really knew the taste of 'enlightenment' you'd think twice.

But good luck with it anyway.... you WILL need it.

[chris]

well tell baron to stop supplying it!

Baron, stop giving them crack!

[synergy777]

this illuminated/elightened we can't use thse words because the illuminati use it. well they use words like peace, one, world, etc, are we to stop using these? do we have start speaking klingon!

chris, baron a captialist, people want crack, they get crack, baron the joey crack of the cyber world. (bron joey crack a name for a rapper, fat joe, so chill)

fat joe is a good rapper btw, the only terror squad i roll with, washington heights, bronx, spanish harlem, 1 love.

[bigus_dickus]

there's no such thing as enlightenment, there is only choice and it's the only thing you have.

[neutron flux]

To become enlightened, you must remember who you really are...


A little nugget of truth although this would require self observation in the everyday world not sitting and meditating.

You must not acquire any knowledge or any skill.

Really? I beg to differ! Knowledge is of paramount importance, as is skill; like thinking with a hammer to make sure you don't get hoodwinked by false knowledge.

You must only learn to love.

Well that's subjective, and not in the least bit "enlightening". Maybe a battered wife should learn to "love" her abusive husband. Maybe we should learn to "love" our own enslavement.

When you belief that problems exist, problems will take hold of you.


So problems exist in my mind then - I suggest you look at the world we live in.

If you belief that suffering exists, suffering will take hold of you.


I'll go and tell the children of places like Sudan and Iraq that their suffering doesn't exist, I'm sure they'll be pleased to hear it.
But sometimes suffering can be of benefit if you learn from it.

As long as you believe hurt exists, pain will hurt you.

:rolleyes:

You cannot be hurt! You cannot be touched!


I'll pass on the message to those children again whilst walking in front of a bus.

Nothing can go wrong, except for if you believe something can go wrong!


Since when? Wishful thinking will get you everytime!

Are you ready to stop pretending there are problems?


"Place head in sand"

[celtic isis]

or...you can just read a book by richard carlson who sadly passed away last december.

If everyone read one of his books, what a world we would have. Full of love and understanding.

Don't be put off by the cheesy titles!

[i am all i am]

Well that's subjective, and not in the least bit "enlightening". Maybe a battered wife should learn to "love" her abusive husband. Maybe we should learn to "love" our own enslavement.

G'day Neutron Flux.

Maybe she could choose to love herself enough to leave the relationship.

Or even choose to love herself enough to ponder what choices that she made that put her in that relationship in the first place.



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[chris]

These threads always seem to attract sardonic posts, I guess it's because they can be quite cheesey.

I may agree with the ends but the means are missing.

The way I see it is if enlightenment was so simple then all the newagers frorm the 80's would at least be running the planet and have an average 200+ IQ level...Or the phoney business men buying into the LOA fad would all be stinking rich.

[bigus_dickus]

i am sure everyone means it in a metaphorical sense. as a metaphor, we can say that one appears to be enlightened and this is always subject to our personal judgment and the person's behavior at the given time. we can't be sure what and who they are, even people themselves often don't know and / or don't care about it. is it another way to say good, wise, kind, polite, perceptive, intelligent, caring, loving, or is it something more than that? is it less?

enlighten (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=enlightenment&searchmode=none)
1382 (O.E. had inlihtan), "to remove the dimness or blindness (usually figurative) from one's eyes or heart," from en- + lighten. Enlightenment is 1669 in the spiritual sense; 1865 as a translation of Ger. Aufklärung, a name for the spirit and system of Continental philosophers in the 18c.

"The philosophy of the Enlightenment insisted on man's essential autonomy: man is responsible to himself, to his own rational interests, to his self-development, and, by an inescapable extension, to the welfare of his fellow man. For the philosophes, man was not a sinner, at least not by nature; human nature -- and this argument was subversive, in fact revolutionary, in their day -- is by origin good, or at least neutral. Despite the undeniable power of man's antisocial passions, therefore, the individual may hope for improvement through his own efforts -- through education, participation in politics, activity in behalf of reform, but not through prayer." [Peter Gay]

[synergy777]

good post bigus.

[rossus]

One thing I don't agree with is that evil doesn't exist and we shouldn't confirm it. That's rubbish, and the Illuminati love it when we think like that. "Ignorance is bliss" is the motto for the masses. What we should do is not FEAR evil, since that gives it power to manifest. But to ignore evil is no protection! For example, ignoring aspertame doesn't make you immune. What you don't know WILL hurt you.
i think that people who are "evil" are out of control.
they are on automatic.
it's the animal in them that reacts from impulse to impulse, and is unable to feel love.
the animal is only interested in it's own survival and it's own pleasure.
just like a computer cannot feel love, the mind can not feel love either.
people who are "evil" suffer from a serious disease and are sometimes better of to be put to death.

i wouldn't mind killing someone who raped a kid and is going to rape one again if i don't kill him.
but even if i kill that person, i would still love him.
i don't make the same mistake as the person who do wrong to others.
i don't believe this person is evil and should be hated.
i see this person more as someone who is weak, or someone who is suffering from a disease.

i am well aware that satanism and demonic worshipping exists.
i am well aware that the people who do this kind of practice, experience "the dark side" and they become more and more "evil" because of it.

they worship the animal inside them, the ego.
their ego becomes so evil, that it becomes the devil.
so they start craving pleasure and craving pleasure,
and in the proccess they start to enjoy hurting other people...
and then hurting other people becomes a pleasure in it's own.

i don't think these people are really evil though. they just got lost...
when i would grow up with the same DNA and the same chemical
configuration in the brain in the same family witht he same experiences as them...
perhaps i would then also have turned completely into someone "evil".

Try visiting Glastonbury sometime and you will see that shit everywhere. Crowley, Yin Yang bollox, Hindu shit, Blavatsky, Global warming, freemasons. Indeed it is all pushed by the system and for a very good reason, something you lot are totally blinded to, bar one or two people on here who employ their brain.

And shut the fuck up about Christians, you are already boring the pants off me.
i understand the paranoia.
i never been to glastonbury but it's very well possible that there are a lot of "satanists" there recruiting new people.
and yes, they often lure people into the dark side by claiming it's all "harmless white magic".
yes, certain sects in hinduism are really fucked up. a lot of spirituality is fucked up.

but UNCONDITIONAL LOVE is not fucked up :)
because you don't worship anything.
you don't worship a god, a force or an ego or something.

you simply surrender your heart to love.
no harm can come from love can there?

[baron von lotsov]

There is no mistaking the witch shops. They are jet black with black and white signs outside, however more black on the sign than white. I'll have to throw that problem over to the symbolism experts on here. What do you think all this black and white business is telling people? Do you think they do both? What if the white was for the purpose of making the black look white?

[phoebe]

Excellent original post. I've been wanting someone to tell it like that for a while now.

Good points phoebe. I want to mention that not only should you get the thought out of your head that you're unenlightened, but while meditating --and even walking around is a meditation-- get the thought out of your head that you're doing something wrong. The only time you're doing something wrong is when you think you are. To be successful at meditating, the only trick is to enjoy yourself and do it like a child would do it, totally care-free. Play around with meditation, don't work on meditation!

Exactically ;)
Zen is not to think about god whilst peeling potatoes.
Zen is just to peel potatoes.
:)

[phoebe]

I'm with Baron on this one...You peep are all on crack.

Fuck off, you eye-plucking, poisoned fish head eating, beardstroking pervert.
haha.


(joke :))

[phoebe]

Soooooo..... enlightened.. Illuminated...

Do you know the difference?

If so please let me know...

Putting a tag on it and saying 'I'm enlightened..' or 'I want to be enlightened'

Is opening yourself up to all sorts of mayhem...

Just meditate, control your thoughts... because if you really knew the taste of 'enlightenment' you'd think twice.

But good luck with it anyway.... you WILL need it.

Agreed.
The mayhem you speak of is realising that in the end...
there is NOTHING.
YOU are NOTHING.
To the ego
That is infinitely scary.
To the real you,
It's what you've known all along.

[john white]

Goddess Moksha - Google Search

Moksha: pursuit of liberation from the cycle of reincarnation, loss of the egoistic self, and union with Brahman

Is December starting to open up?

what if Aleister Crowley was an agent of Vatican whose goal was to discredit the occult people?

Possibly!

Good thread everyone, wonderful replies!

[bigus_dickus]

Exactically ;)
Zen is not to think about god whilst peeling potatoes.
Zen is just to peel potatoes.
:)

before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water

after enlightenment: chop wood, carry water

[chris]

Fuck off, you eye-plucking, poisoned fish head eating, beardstroking pervert.
haha.


(joke :))

:eek:

No opium for you:)

[phoebe]

before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water

after enlightenment: chop wood, carry water

:)

A monk searched everywhere for enlightenment, but could find no answer - until one day, he saw an old man walking slowly, bearing a great burden of a huge sack of rocks, down a mountain path.
The monk sensed that this old man knew the secret he had been desperately seeking for many years.
'Old man, please tell me what you know. What is enlightenment?'
The old man smiled at him for a moment, put down his sack of rocks and stood straight.
'Yes, I see!' cried the monk. 'My everlasting gratitude. But please, one question more. What is after enlightenment?'
The old man picked up the sack once again, slung it over his shoulders, steadied his burden, and continued on his way.

[baron von lotsov]

Wow, my raucous post devouring yet another New Age propaganda attempt seems to have charmed the forum.

Interesting.

And good news that people are becoming wary of the latest system brainwashing scheme, despite Icke turning a blind eye these days.

[slave]

Thanks For Your Post Rossus, Is Full Of Shit Ideas. "YOU MUST LEARN TO LOVE!!" tHIS PHRASE IS VIOLENCE OVER COSCIENCE! YOU MUST FUCK OFF YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE GIVE YOU CREDIT

[ngawaka19]

"I must learn to love!!" love is natural is not to be learn
MUST LEARN TO LOVE!

hey slave

Chur, you got that right.

you could throw compassion in there too, but only if 'YOU' want too.

[baron von lotsov]

"I must learn to love!!" love is natural is not to be learn
MUST LEARN TO LOVE!

hey slave

Chur, you got that right.

you could throw compassion in there too, but only if 'YOU' want too.

If I look up that phrase in my Orwellian translation dictionary it says Love = Love your brainwashing. You must learn it too. You see using the proper translation of these words means it all makes perfect sense.

[slave]

"I must learn to love!!" love is natural is not to be learn
MUST LEARN TO LOVE!

hey slave

Chur, you got that right.

you could throw compassion in there too, but only if 'YOU' want too.

I could throw compassion in Itler discourses also

[slave]

"I must learn to love!!" love is natural is not to be learn
MUST LEARN TO LOVE!

hey slave

Chur, you got that right.

you could throw compassion in there too, but only if 'YOU' want too.

I could thorow compassion in Itler Discourses also.

[slave]

If I look up that phrase in my Orwellian translation dictionary it says Love = Love your brainwashing. You must learn it too. You see using the proper translation of these words means it all makes perfect sense.

HOW DO YOU PERMIT TO TELL ME WHAT I HAVE TO DO. I MUST LIVE MY LIFE AS I WANT TO LIVE NO AS YOU WANT.

[slave]

Ok, I must study English!!

[baron von lotsov]

Ok, I must study English!!


Where are you from?

[slave]

Where are you from?

Ravenna, Italy by by

[edelweiss pirate]

:)

A monk searched everywhere for enlightenment, but could find no answer - until one day, he saw an old man walking slowly, bearing a great burden of a huge sack of rocks, down a mountain path.
The monk sensed that this old man knew the secret he had been desperately seeking for many years.
'Old man, please tell me what you know. What is enlightenment?'
The old man smiled at him for a moment, put down his sack of rocks and stood straight.
'Yes, I see!' cried the monk. 'My everlasting gratitude. But please, one question more. What is after enlightenment?'
The old man picked up the sack once again, slung it over his shoulders, steadied his burden, and continued on his way.

I like that very much.

The good thing about enlightenment:

You realise that your are an immortal soul living on earth.

The bad thing about enlightenment:

You realise that your are an immortal soul living on earth.

[john white]

I like that very much.

The good thing about enlightenment:

You realise that your are an immortal soul living on earth.

The bad thing about enlightenment:

You realise that your are an immortal soul living on earth.

It balances! :)

[peter19]

even love though can be made into an ego mind game spin, so this is were some "new age" people come in and you can tell that they havent found what they are telling people to believe. ego can think love is attatchment to anything - you rely on somebody, "i love them" why do i love them?. because the "i" needs them, so they can be somebody. and when you loose them then part of your "i" is lost.

i like what someone said before about enlightenment (some buddhist i think) and its "no self, no problem". the reason i reckon all enlightened people are not ruleing the planet or have a 200 iq i reckon is because all of that is nothing when you are in a state of peace. its like you know everything, but dont know who it is who knows everything lol.

elightenment though can be a trap because even that you are striveing to get to some other place, its always 5 meters a way. "please let me grab elightenment, iv nearlllllyyyy got it, just abit more of a stretch, then that will show me naibours and ill be supirior to them".:cool:

[monique]

Being in Love (not in the romantic sense of the phrase) becomes easier when you surround yourself with the colour pink a lot. Carrying a rosequartz in your pocket helps softening your heartchakra and protects it against astral clutter.
It does take work to become enlightened, a lot of old pain is energetic residue in your heartchakra, and you need to actively free yourself from it, and not just by thinking about it.
Doing an earth/colourmeditation will definately help.

[bigus_dickus]

even love though can be made into an ego mind game spin, so this is were some "new age" people come in and you can tell that they havent found what they are telling people to believe. ego can think love is attatchment to anything - you rely on somebody, "i love them" why do i love them?. because the "i" needs them, so they can be somebody. and when you loose them then part of your "i" is lost.

good point. it's really a big question and discussion with no definite conclusion about whether altruism really exists.

the problem of love, is such as this. does love need more than one to exist?

how can we answer that, given that we have never experienced absolute loneliness? or have we? or are we going to, someday?

so here we have a separation: the self and the world. the self doesn't know how to decide whether it's better to love the self only or more than the world, or the other way. both directions of "love", which is itself an idea, seem to have a reason and this reason derives from a need. but is this need present beyond the individual's mind, or does it derive from thought, hence his mind?

separation, is one way to view the world, the other is unity. unity, is not something new, it is an even more ancient idea than separation is and exists as a basis in other regions of the world and other cultures. so, from the unity point of view, you see the world as one with the self and everything converging to a singularity, which is always present, but exists out of any particular time frame. thus, there is no separation of the self and the world and you are able to love everything as you love the self. apparently, this experience when mastered, gives the "awake" result that they are talking about (buddha means awake) and this is also the core teaching of most inspiring philosophies and religions of our world. i use the word religion, as it was in its original form, which was not theory but practice. since it all became theory and not practice, people have been using it to cover their actions that were contrary to practicing it.

elightenment though can be a trap because even that you are striveing to get to some other place, its always 5 meters a way. "please let me grab elightenment, iv nearlllllyyyy got it, just abit more of a stretch, then that will show me naibours and ill be supirior to them".:cool:

it is a trap.. especially when someone claims to be enlightened, know that he is lying.

[slave]

I always distrust of the people that want to learn something in particular about spiritual area because the key
of everything is inside each person. This guy (Rossus) makes power games over other
persons.. someone of them want to create dipendence from them. They are on a pedestal. They power is found in the reason that there are people that are not free of this "masters" in their intimacy. So, the first step is to kill
this "masters" in ourselves (no phisycally) because they know that they have power over you because our inner be is not in freedom from them. Is a dirty game they do. They know we are conditioning in our past.
Ok: If I tell someone that is not complete in your spiritual be I tell you:"you must learn to...." The preamble of this teacher is that you are a slice of shit.
This is not the truth because each condition of our inner be is in perfection.
There are not conditions that are not in perfection. (whatever condition of our inner be). Evolution is not increase. Evolution is to go from a condition of our inner be to another condition of our inner be and each condition is in perfection during the way. (Sorry for my english)

[rossus]

I always distrust of the people that want to learn something in particular about spiritual area because the key
of everything is inside each person. This guy (Rossus)...
hello, i think i understand what you mean...
when i say you must i do not mean you must...
it's your life, you do what you want with it.

but if you want to go from point A to point B in life, you must go from point A to point B.
sitting on your butt will not take you there ;)
perhaps you don't want to go to point B, that is ok for me.

the fact wether love is or is not something which should be learned,
depends on how you look at it. communicating with words is difficult sometimes,
because when i write something... the person that reads it might interprete it entirely difficult.

the way i say it, might not be the way you say it.




lots of people don't know how to love unconditionally, because they have lost touch with their "inner be"... their heart.
i and many other people used to be one of them.
when you belong to this group, you must learn to get in touch again with the heart.
you must learn to trust in love, instead of fear.
then you can once again return from the state of "unenlightenment" to the state of "enlightenment".



and yes it's true you must not learn to love, you are love...
you must not try to become perfection, because you are perfection...
but even love and perfection is not what you are, because these are words...
and words can never be the truth because they can only point to it (or something ;) )

[slave]

hello, i think i understand what you mean...
when i say you must i do not mean you must...
it's your life, you do what you want with it.

but if you want to go from point A to point B in life, you must go from point A to point B.
sitting on your butt will not take you there ;)
perhaps you don't want to go to point B, that is ok for me.

the fact wether love is or is not something which should be learned,
depends on how you look at it. communicating with words is difficult sometimes,
because when i write something... the person that reads it might interprete it entirely difficult.

the way i say it, might not be the way you say it.




lots of people don't know how to love unconditionally, because they have lost touch with their "inner be"... their heart.
i and many other people used to be one of them.
when you belong to this group, you must learn to get in touch again with the heart.
you must learn to trust in love, instead of fear.
then you can once again return from the state of "unenlightenment" to the state of "enlightenment".



and yes it's true you must not learn to love, you are love...
you must not try to become perfection, because you are perfection...
but even love and perfection is not what you are, because these are words...
and words can never be the truth because they can only point to it (or something ;) )

I think we start from two different ideas. I think reality is in be you think reality is in become. For me the matter is not to go from "a" to "b" because I think there is no "a" point and no "b" point or if you want: "a" and "b" exist
in the same times. I think reality is static,still. If you for evolution means to go from "a" to "b" you never reach the unity and identification in god or enlightement because an infinite time is not sufficient to include infinite.
When you reach "b" from "a" "b" now is again "a" for the infinite. Is Impossible because this is perpetual become. Is for this reason I mean evolution as different expression of condition of our inner be that appears in succession. And at every succession the condition of our be is perfect (reality in "be", immobile,still).
There is a famous story about an ass and a carrot. When the ass reach the carrot someone move away the carrot from the ass. And this for no end.

[rossus]

I think we start from two different ideas. I think reality is in be you think reality is in become. For me the matter is not to go from "a" to "b" because I think there is no "a" point and no "b" point or if you want: "a" and "b" exist
in the same times. I think reality is static,still. If you for evolution means to go from "a" to "b" you never reach the unity and identification in god or enlightement because an infinite time is not sufficient to include infinite.
When you reach "b" from "a" "b" now is again "a" for the infinite. Is Impossible because this is perpetual become. Is for this reason I mean evolution as different expression of condition of our inner be that appears in succession. And at every succession the condition of our be is perfect (reality in "be", immobile,still).
There is a famous story about an ass and a carrot. When the ass reach the carrot someone move away the carrot from the ass. And this for no end.
i don't think we start with two different ideas,
i think it's a language problem. i don't mean you don't speak good english,
i mean that some people prefer to say it like this and other people prefer to say it like that...
but in reality they are both about the same thing.

i like the story with the carrot and the ass.
you are absolutely right in what you just say here.

there is no point A and no point B,
but realizing the truth that there is no point A and no B could be considered as going from point A to point B ;)

it's the same thing about enlightenment.
it's impossible to become enlightened, because you are enlightenment...

when you come from not knowing that you are enlightenment,
and now you remember that you are enlightenment...

then from a certain point of view you could say that,
you changed from a person who is not enlightened to a person who is enlightened...

but like you say, in reality nothing really changed.

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[slave]

i don't think we start with two different ideas,
i think it's a language problem. i don't mean you don't speak good english,
i mean that some people prefer to say it like this and other people prefer to say it like that...
but in reality they are both about the same thing.

i like the story with the carrot and the ass.
you are absolutely right in what you just say here.

there is no point A and no point B,
but realizing the truth that there is no point A and no B could be considered as going from point A to point B ;)

it's the same thing about enlightenment.
it's impossible to become enlightened, because you are enlightenment...

when you come from not knowing that you are enlightenment,
and now you remember that you are enlightenment...

then from a certain point of view you could say that,
you changed from a person who is not enlightened to a person who is enlightened...

but like you say, in reality nothing really changed.

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No, I don't say nothing change this is not my idea. Your feeling changes.
Different feeling correspond to different condition of our inner be. When you manifest a condition of be, that condition is complete, but this do not means
that nothing change, is an evolution, but evolution is the manifestation of different feeling that correspond to a condition of be that are complete, is not a become... for example: a primitive man has his feeling and his inner be, and
this state is complete, perfect there is nothing to add.