Religion, Science and Cathy O Brien

[tinmenace]

this thread has gone too far... people prefer to believe that bush is a monster who eats babies...

According to Cathy O'Brien, he IS a child raping monster...read her books.

...than pay attention to the technical details and the truth of the matter. on the one hand i am really with you that you feel that way about him, that he is inhuman, because that shows your own sensitivities and i hope that they are not your personal fears and insecurities, but you are still thinking of those millions of dying people in africa, who we can feed and heal TOMORROW if we all put our minds and will to it..


on the other hand... it looks like this kind of stuff is the conspiracy theorist's food. icke talks about illusions and falls for this simple illusion himself..

Which of his books have you actually COMPREHENDED?

to put this in his main web page is quite stupid.

Your own state of mind is tapping your on your shoulder.

these guys are waiting at the corner for such actions in order to ridicule him and all of us who are visiting his site.

And why do you care what others think?

and after this, i am beginning to seriously doubt david ickes credibility in anything he has ever written so far.

Oh Please! You've never been on board with David's work. You're a slave to dogma and Orthodox Christianity. You haven't even begun to break free and to truly comprehend what David is trying to tell you.

It's very obvious BD. This forum is full of your posts which reflect a strapped mind and soul. I dunno who you're trying to fool...

What are you doing here? What is your purpose for being on this forum?













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[humanswin]

it doesn't matter what i say , i told people where to get video themselves and some doers did, including me, i said how i feel already, it is what is ,if you dont get me ,thats alright but I'm through defending me or the video-here-but on my channel I'll never stop

[bigus_dickus]

What are you doing here? What is your purpose for being on this forum?

sorry to bother you tin, i'll stop posting and everything will be fine for you.

[emtec]

I know where you coming from with you "the moon landing was real stuff". But I would like to hear at least 5 out of the 100 explanations you are talking about.

I'm sure you can find more than 5 scenarios in that thread. I personally find it distasteful and choose not to go back and read any more.

I said you could make hundreds up just speculating not that they have. In saying that though if you go to that thread you see many different ideas on who's done what.

To be honest i find someone posting on the net the parents are involved or its a government witch cult done it very disturbing and upsetting. Lets face it they are getting all the information from the media the people the show complete contempt for untill it suits them.

The point im trying to make is untill we know whats gone on if we ever do blaming the parents etc because i said so as evidence is wrong.

[fccool]

"According to Cathy O'Brien, he IS a child raping monster...read her books."

- Cathy O'Brien has not been able to prove any of the statements that she made. I believe what she says in part true, but unfortunatly I will never know. The reason that she is still alive is a proof enough. These people kill anyone ... presidents .... who say something that would damage them. Aparently Cathy and David Icke are not doing enough damage. They could kill them slowly and you would never know. They could inject/induce canser and they will die slowly. This is not happening, which could might as well mean that they are usefull to these people somehow.


"Which of his books have you actually COMPREHENDED?"

- I've read the "Biggest Secret" and "I am me I am free". I would have to say that he has presented his case very well. I liked the books and I agree with most of the information presented. Unfortunatly I've seen fiction being presented well too. The quality of presentation does not constitute truth. It is IMPOSSIBLE to find for yourself if what he is talking about is true. The nature of reality .... 1000nds of theories around. All based on faith. You can't prove or disprove these. For example the Buddhists believe that the universe just is and was. It always existed and will never end. How can you prove such a statement? The same goes for reptilians rooling the world. You can't prove it unless you catch and show one with its guts hanging out. Or if this world is really a computer simulation and we are all dreaming in pods... you would not now the difference unless you really wake up in the real world (not the kind of waking up that people are talking about here.... here it is all figurative and symbolic). Take the "Brandon Corey Story". You look at it and it is not presented to you as fiction. It is done documentary style just to milead you into buyng it. There's no disclamer to say that it did not really happen. So I treat much of the things with suspicion... even my own religious beliefs. But I do try to come to conclusions logically. Not based on heresay illogical evidence.



"Your own state of mind is tapping your on your shoulder."

And yours does the same. Just like he, you and Icke you assert that your view is the correct one and everybody contrary to yours are wrong. So what is so different about you?

"And why do you care what others think?"

I agree with you... we should not. But YOU do :) and we do. That's why you are on this forum. Because you care about what people think. If you did not... you would not believe anybody.


Oh Please! You've never been on board with David's work. You're a slave to dogma and Orthodox Christianity. You haven't even begun to break free and to truly comprehend what David is trying to tell you.

Based on your logic can I conclude that you are a slave of Icke's dogma? Because it is a DOGMA believe it or not. He is a religious man. He has a name for his verion of sinners - "sheeple". He is ridiculing those people pretty openly... the people he claims to "infinitely love". Is that love? Knowledge is only a part of solution. Acting upon that knowledge is a second part of true belief. So if you believe that Reptiles rule the world... go ahead and bring it up to your boss over lunch time. Why not? You are afraid. why are you afraid... because you don't have enough logical in your face evidence to back it up. Otherwise you would go public any chance you got. I have pleathora of logical evidence to present case that there is an intelligent creator... and I'm not afraid to present this info to anyone based on MY RESEARCH AND DISCOVERIES. Not based on this guy said... and this guy saw.


"What are you doing here? What is your purpose for being on this forum?"

The same as yours... to find truth. Finding truth means that you can disagree. And it is beautiful thing free will. You don't have to agree, and I don't expect you to. But I do expect you to look at the evidence before you disagree. I don't just dismiss information I get... I have good reasons for doing so. The same way I don't except every thing presented as true... I have good reasons for doing that too.

So I know that these questions were not reffered to me, but I find these obviously ironic. Basically what you are saying is in fact " If you are not one of us and you disagree... then why are you here?". So you see you have dogma too. The real truth is only visible through clear eyes (no pun intended) and mind. I was atheist most of my life... then I turned agnostic. But when I was confronted with evidence , and t was not from the Bible or any other religion... I concluded that there in fact was a creator. I am willing to look at any evidence that disproves it and that makes a better sense. But unfortunatly I have not come across a better presentation. All I get is .... "It exists just because it does" , and " It is because this guy said so, and he knows becoause other guy said so in such and such book and the other book as refferences from another guy to back these up". I'm not saying that you can't trust sound research. It's a wonderful thing and it is impossible to experience everything firsthand. BUT you can't expect everybody to come to same conclusions you do. Truth is very hard to find. I'm talking about solic hardcore tough smell and taste truth.... for that exact reason... many times the truth exists outside of our sences. When this happens and you accept the truth ... you are doing so by faith. So you are not much different from any other Christian in that perspective. If you are, I would like to here how so.

[bigus_dickus]

hey fccool.. clarify who you are and why you are responding to a post that was towards me, otherwise everyone is going to think we are a double alias and get kicked out..

[sean]

Cathy O Brien has attempted to bring her allegations to courts, quite openly, and to people in government. Time and time again she is told to shut up "for reasons of national security". In other words, she isn't given the platform other than writing the books and giving talks around the country, to "prove" what she says.

The silence that surrounds her case speaks volumes in my opinion.

[fccool]

I'm replying to that post because it implies that what I believe is just nonsence without any explanation or credible and logical evidence to back it up. I.E. Religion is a brick wall... you are enslaved if you believe that what Yeshua said was the truth. And stuff like that.

[emtec]

hey fccool.. clarify who you are and why you are responding to a post that was towards me, otherwise everyone is going to think we are a double alias and get kicked out..

Its a common tactic used around here. Ive been accuse of being at least 8 different members.

[emtec]

Cathy O Brien has attempted to bring her allegations to courts, quite openly, and to people in government. Time and time again she is told to shut up "for reasons of national security". In other words, she isn't given the platform other than writing the books and giving talks around the country, to "prove" what she says.

The silence that surrounds her case speaks volumes in my opinion.

Have you any evidence of this?

The reason why i ask i because one guy i know brings court cases just as wild as hers would be all the time. He claims everywhere he goes he being watched and spied on. He claims his been implanted with chips and the government are trying to kill him. In fact even something as simple as a neighbor parking outside his house he has changed to government agents spying on him and brought cases.

I find it hard to believe that this woman cant get a hearing when this guy does week in week out.

[sean]

Let's be frank. If you do enough basic research, one of the first things you find about religion is that its nonsensical at best. I really do find it hard to believe that people on a path to truth, or who claim to research certain areas of life can still buy into the fairytale of religion.

The question should be: what evidence is there that religion has anything of logic or credibility that it deserves to be taken semi-seriously?

[fccool]

Sean. I think so too. I don't deny the existense of government mind control programs. The evidence of these is out in the open. Beginning with Bernays and ending with today's media. What I do question is the assersion that these are connected to reptilian beings from other planets that randomly shapeshift and have to drink human blood filled with adrenaline to stay sane. I.E. Revelations of Mother Goddess. Am I wrong for doing so when there has been no credible evidence other than heresay to back it up?

[bigus_dickus]

Its a common tactic used around here. Ive been accuse of being at least 8 different members.

nod, but it's not exclusive to here, i have seen it happen hundreds of times in my 15+ year forum experience..

[sean]

Yes. You can get court transcripts (as outlined in both of Cathy's books), and letters from senators which were photocopied and included. Of course these could be faked and she could be making the entire story up - completely fabricating her identity, forging hundreds of letters from senators, courts, laywers, psychologists, along with their addresses and telephone numbers (included throughout the books).

But then, if that's the standard what hope do we have of using evidence for anything? Sometimes you have to use your loaf and discretion when making decisions on things like this.

[fccool]

Sean,

Once again you are making an educated guess without backing it up. It's your choice and I believe that you have a choice. But time after time I'm stating on this forum that EVERYTHING that you believe about our origins is a faith based assertion at best. There are people who claim to have seen angles and Jesus himself, there are people who claim to see reptiles, and there are poeple who claim to see ghosts. You except or reject their claims based on faith... educated guess. So to say that religious belief is ludicrous, when in fact there IS some solid evidence... such as Historical Accuracy of the Bible, and solid proof ofnature itself being very orderly and organized... the existance of human reason, logic and mind... aesthetic appreciation of beauty.... and this misterious concept of love.... which logically should not exist in the world where survival of the fittest is THE RULE. How do you explain those? You can't without making a RELIGIOUS ASSERTION :). It does not have to be Christian, or Buddhist or Muslim to be a religious assertion. So by calling religious assertion ludicrous... you i fact calling yourself ludcrous :). I hope you follow my logic.

[emtec]

Yes. You can get court transcripts (as outlined in both of Cathy's books), and letters from senators which were photocopied and included. Of course these could be faked and she could be making the entire story up - completely fabricating her identity, forging hundreds of letters from senators, courts, laywers, psychologists, along with their addresses and telephone numbers (included throughout the books).

But then, if that's the standard what hope do we have of using evidence for anything? Sometimes you have to use your loaf and discretion when making decisions on things like this.

Seems strange that shes unable to get a hearing with the things rob kettenburg claims and has in court. He make wilder seem well run of the mill to be honest. How would you explain her inability to get a court case?

[sean]

Sean,

Once again you are making an educated guess without backing it up.

I just said there is proof out there and gave you the evidence.

I've read the bible at least.. have you read cathy o briens 2 books?

There are people who claim to have seen angles and Jesus himself, there are people who claim to see reptiles, and there are poeple who claim to see ghosts. You except or reject their claims based on faith... educated guess.

what are we talking about here? Cathy o brien? She doesn't believe in any of that stuff... and no, her book is more like a encylopedia than an "educated guess".

So to say that religious belief is ludicrous, when in fact there IS some solid evidence... such as Historical Accuracy of the Bible, and solid proof ofnature itself being very orderly and organized... the existance of human reason, logic and mind... aesthetic appreciation of beauty.... and this misterious concept of love.... which logically should not exist in the world where survival of the fittest is THE RULE. How do you explain those?

I'll say it again - religious belief is ludicrous. You are mixing up love aesthetics logic and religion all in one bowl... but so far you've not actually given me any of this logical concrete evidence that you are so keen on.

And why are you so keen on it if you are so religious? Doesn't the bible say there are angels, and miracles and a magical man called Jesus? How far down the line until your scientific viewpoint collides with the contradicatory religious viewpoint? Yet you use both to back the other one up.

[fccool]

Yes. You can get court transcripts (as outlined in both of Cathy's books), and letters from senators which were photocopied and included. Of course these could be faked and she could be making the entire story up - completely fabricating her identity, forging hundreds of letters from senators, courts, laywers, psychologists, along with their addresses and telephone numbers (included throughout the books).

But then, if that's the standard what hope do we have of using evidence for anything? Sometimes you have to use your loaf and discretion when making decisions on things like this.

Sean, if you read my post carefully.. I don't dismiss the documented evidence in search for truth. I'm not even dismissing that Cathy really has been a victim of mind control. The object of my doubt here is the reptilian beings from another planets that shapeshift and that she briefly mentions. If her mind was indeed messed up, wuld not you think that her sence of perseption would be also? I don't claim to kow what happen. I was not there and I am not judge of it. But you were not there when Jesus allegedly walked the Earth either. So In your opinion supernatural causes should be rejected without consideration?

[sean]

Seems strange that shes unable to get a hearing with the things rob kettenburg claims and has in court. He make wilder seem well run of the mill to be honest. How would you explain her inability to get a court case?

EXACTLY.

[sean]

Sean, if you read my post carefully.. I don't dismiss the documented evidence in search for truth. I'm not even dismissing that Cathy really has been a victim of mind control. The object of my doubt here is the reptilian beings from another planets that shapeshift and that she briefly mentions. If her mind was indeed messed up, wuld not you think that her sence of perseption would be also? I don't claim to kow what happen. I was not there and I am not judge of it. But you were not there when Jesus allegedly walked the Earth either. So In your opinion supernatural causes should be rejected without consideration?

Cathy o briens ongoing fight to bring her abusers to justice have nothing to do with reptilian beings or shapeshifting. Read her book, its much more in depth than i think you are giving her credit for.

[fccool]

Sean if you can post 1 irrifutable evidential proof that God does not exist... I can just walk away.

[fccool]

PS. You believe in Magic Men and magic powers too :) Icke is one of these. Forgive me for double posting, but is this scientific in your opinion?

Here're interesting parts an official Bio of David Icke.


In March, 1990, he was playing soccer with his son Gareth on the seafront at Ryde on the Isle of Wight and he said they would go and have some lunch at the railway station café a short walk away. The café was full and they turned to walk away when someone recognised David and began to ask questions about soccer. When the conversation was over, David couldn't see Gareth, but he knew he would be in the newspaper shop nearby looking at books he liked. So it was. David stood at the entrance to the shop and said they were going now to find another café, but as he turned to leave, his feet would not move. They were stuck to the ground as if two magnets were pulling them to the floor. He then heard a voice in his head say: "Go and look at the books on the far side." His immediate thought was: "What the hell was this all about"?

He knew this shop very well and the books in that section were of no interest to him. But given the voice and what was happening to his feet, he went over to see what would happen. The first book he saw was one by a psychic lady and he was immediately intrigued because of this presence he had felt around him. He wondered if she would be able to tell him what was going on. She was also a hands-on healer and so he wrote to her and made an appointment for healing, not telling her about the presence or anything else. To her, he was a client wanting healing for his arthritis. He only saw her four times and in the first two visits nothing happened of note, except that he talked with her about other dimensions and the wider vision of life.

Then, on the third visit, he was lying on the couch while the healing was being done when he felt like a spider's web on his face. He had remembered reading in her book that this can happen when "spirits" are trying to make contact. He said nothing to her, but within fifteen seconds, no more, she threw her head back and said: "This is powerful, I'll have to close my eyes for this one!" She said she was seeing a figure who wanted her to pass on messages to him. The same happened a week later and this is what the "figure" asked her to tell him on those two occasions:

He is a healer who is here to heal the earth and he will be world famous. He will face enormous opposition, but we will always be there to protect him. He is still a child spiritually, but he will be given the spiritual riches. Sometimes he will say things and wonder where they came from. They will be our words. Knowledge will be put into his mind, and at other times he will be led to knowledge.

He was chosen as youngster for his courage. He has been tested and has passed all the tests. He was led into football to learn discipline, but when that was learned it was time to move on. He also had to learn how to cope with disappointment, experience all the emotions, and how to get up and get on with it. The spiritual way is tough and no-one makes it easy.

We know he wanted us to contact him, but the time wasn't right. He was led here to be contacted, not to be cured. But one day he will be completely cured. He will always have what he needs, but no more.

Don't try to do it all alone. Go hand in hand with others, so you can pick each other up as you fall.

One man cannot change the world, but one man can communicate the message that will change the world.

He will write five books in three years.

Politics is not for him. He is too spiritual. Politics is anti-spiritual and will make him very unhappy.

He will leave politics. He doesn't have to do anything. It will happen gradually over a year. (Exactly as happened)

In 20 years there will be a different kind of flying machine, very different from the aircraft of today. Time will have no meaning. Where you want to be, you will be.

There will be great earthquakes. These will come as a warning to the human race. They will occur in places that have never experienced them. Taking oil from the seabed is destabilising the inner earth. The centre of the earth will move and the poles will change. The sea spirits will rise and stop men taking oil. The sea will reclaim the land and humans will see that they cannot do these terrible things. They cannot abuse the elements. They have to be treated with respect.

All this was told to David on March 29th,1990 and on the second visit about a week later. At the time, he was a BBC television presenter and national spokesman for the Green Party and had no idea what this was all about. Yet ten years later, most of what was said has happened or is happening. Even down to the fact that he did write five books within three years to the month.

He told some of the Green Party leadership about these experiences, but their reaction was just as closed-minded, ignorant, and uninformed as you would find in the system the Greens were claiming to challenge. "I think David is going crazy." Yeah right. Welcome to the new politics!

David wrote of these early months of awakening in a book called Truth Vibrations (Gateway Books) and then came the most astonishing event of all in an endless stream of fantastic experiences he was having and continues to have.

He felt an enormous urge to go to Peru in late 1990 early 1991, and then headed there in February 1991 purely on the strength of his intuition. A series of stunning events and experiences happened to him there which culminated with the following story.

His Peruvian tourist guide had booked him into a hotel called the Sillustani in Puno, not far from Lake Titicaca, the highest navigable lake in the world. Sillustani is an ancient Inca site about an hour's drive from Puno and there were pictures of this place all around the hotel for obvious reasons. David said that he wanted to go there and had to hire a tourist mini-bus for himself and the guide because it was out of season and there were no scheduled trips. There was only David, the guide, and the driver. Sillustani is a mound next to a lagoon with the Inca ruins on top. It is in an uninhabited area and being out of season it was very quiet. Only a couple of children with a lama were around waiting to sell photographs to tourists, not that there were any.

After David had walked around the ruins for an hour or so in the piercing Peruvian sun, he went back to the tourist bus to return to Puno. He thought the trip was over, but he soon learned it was only beginning. About three minutes drive down the road he was looking out of the window and saw a mound to his right. As he looked at the mound, a voice in his head began to say: "Come to me, come to me, come to me." Very strange to say the least, but he asked the driver to stop because he wanted to go and look at the mound.

Although he could not see it from the road, he found there was a circle of standing stones at the top of the mound and they had clearly been there a very long time. He walked over and stood in the centre of these stones looking back across to Sillustani with the mountains way off in the distance. There was not a cloud in the sky and the sun was extremely hot, burning his face.

Suddenly, he felt his feet being pulled to the ground like a magnet, again, the same force he felt when he was in the newspaper shop in Ryde on the Isle of Wight, but this time it was far more powerful. With no decision on his part his arms raised above his head at about 45 degrees, slightly outwards and were held there for well over an hour. He felt nothing in his arms until it was over and then they were in absolute agony. Put your arms above your head, slightly outwards at about 45 degrees and see how they start to ache within a minute. David's arms were like that for well over an hour. A flow of powerful energy began to go into the top of his head like a drill down through his body via his feet through to the ground and he could feel the flow coming back up from the ground the other way via his feet through to the top of his head.

It was then that he heard the third voice in his head, something that has never happened since. It said very clearly: "It will be over when you feel the rain."

What? What rain? There was not a cloud to be seen anywhere, just a glowing sun in a clear blue sky!!

David stood there as the energy increased and increased to the point where his body was shaking as if plugged into a power station. After a while, he saw a light grey mist over the distant mountains and as he watched it got darker and darker. It had begun to rain far in the distance. Very quickly this storm emerged from those mountains, filling the sky with clouds, and covering the Sun. Eventually it was over him and he was seeing faces in the billowing clouds. The storm was moving so fast, it was almost like time-lapse photography. Then it began to rain and as he felt the water on his face, the surge of energy suddenly stopped as if someone had flicked a switch. He staggered forward, his legs like jelly, his shoulder and arm muscles now very painful.

Energy was pouring from his hands with fantastic power and he went down to the bus to grab a crystal in an effort to diffuse some of it. His feet continued to burn and vibrate for some 24 hours. He could hardly sleep that night because of it.

David's life was to change dramatically, in fact as dramatically as you could imagine, in the weeks that followed. He felt like a dam had burst within him and his consciousness was thrashing around trying to rebalance itself under the new circumstances. That took some two months to happen and in that time of enormous confusion, Truth Vibrations was launched and he went on national TV in the UK to be ridiculed beyond belief. For two years and more he could not walk down any street in Britain without being laughed at by most of the people. Comedians only had to mention his name and they got an immediate laugh.

But nightmare as this was, it set him free of the prison that most people live in - the fear of what other people think. Only by breaking free from that could he now be going around the world talking about shape-shifting reptilians occupying the positions of global power. If you need people to respect you as your sense of security, there is no way you would do that - one key reason why it has so rarely been communicated before. That ridicule was a major part of his journey and it set him free of so much.

From that time, David has followed the flow of life. Exactly as he was told would happen through the psychic lady in 1991, he has been led to knowledge more and more all the time which, has revealed a picture of how the world has been controlled by a tiny few for thousands of years. And how the suppression of the spiritual knowledge, the understanding of who we are and the nature of life itself, has been the foundation of how this has been done. He has also learned of the Great Awakening, the Great Transformation, that is upon us.

The trickle of information became a river and now it is a tidal wave. Yet, we have hardly begun and the rest of the story promises to be even more amazing than what has already been revealed and happened in these last 14 incredible years.


.... People have no trouble believing this story somehow. Yet when Jesus or God, or even Bible pops into conversation ... all hell breaks loose. Somehow people find the story above more believable than Bible.

[sean]

Ok, that's a little trollish. What has God's existance got to do with the topics title "Video of Bush Snr.. shapeshifting" ? or the Cathy o Brien debate? I'm all up for going on a little tangent, but not questions like "proove that god exists".

My point to reiterate, was that cathy o brien does provide proof. It seems a couple of people here have obviously not read her book.

Where in the bible is the documented transcripts and verifiable evidence that Jesus existed?

[sean]

PS. You believe in Magic Men and magic powers too :) Icke is one of these. Forgive me for double posting, but is this scientific in your opinion?



Excuse me, but i was asking YOU about your contradictory beliefs ... and how you can dismiss one magical fiction, for what you believe to be another - and using science as your standard to decide what is legitimate and not. It just seems slightly manic to me.

My beliefs haven't come into this at all - other than religion is easily the most illogical and nonsensical belief to have if you do even the tiniest bit of research using facts and logic as your tool. You can't say that with as much conviction on many other subjects out there.

[sean]

I've moved these posts into a thread of their own so as not to hijack the original George Bush Senior thread. Let's keep this conversation in here please. Thanks.

[narcolepticwatchman]

Sean if you can post 1 irrifutable evidential proof that God does not exist... I can just walk away.

If god exists, may he strike me down this very seco

[lumukanda]

.... People have no trouble believing this story somehow. Yet when Jesus or God, or even Bible pops into conversation ... all hell breaks loose. Somehow people find the story above more believable than Bible.

you see, david's name hasn't been used to murder millions over the years in a deliberate attempt to enslave people, it's a bit of a touchy subject, genocide.

[fccool]

Sean... you are building up a straw man argument here. I've never said that it can be scientifically proven that God exists. Logic and science are two different entities.

I've never said that what O'brien went through is not true... here's my original post:

Cathy O'Brien has not been able to prove any of the statements that she made. I believe what she says in part true ,but unfortunatly I will never know. The reason that she is still alive is a proof enough. These people kill anyone ... presidents .... who say something that would damage them. Aparently Cathy and David Icke are not doing enough damage. They could kill them slowly and you would never know. They could inject/induce canser and they will die slowly. This is not happening, which could might as well mean that they are usefull to these people somehow.


And yes I've read the Tranceformation of America and I've seen numerous presentations by O'brien and Phillips. And what they have done to her is horrible. But to frame it into the reptilian agenda is just wrong IMO.

I'm trying to troll around here preaching Jesus is the only way. I'm searching for truth just like anybody else here. I will be the first one to tell you that Christianity as it exists today is a system of control and that these poeple probably will be hunting me down in a couple years (the way the things are going). So I do appologize for letting the steam out. But I do consider facts and It is my choice and my decision. And I simply present my case. I don't expect anyone to believe or accept it. So I realize our exchange of bumpersticker rethorics to be fruitless to this thread so I will stop.

[fccool]

If god exists, may he strike me down this very seco

He seems to be a God of mercy and patience :).

[2013]

Hey what about old man bush has just eaten dinner (pot roast or young child you decide ) and hes just wanting his afternoon nap lights are to bright and hot fire burning in the background there ? just a thought .Whose to say wether or not the dogey aliens really are lizards, maybe they are human like and the lizards are good guys >Maybe they just manipulate things to make us think reps are bad so when they do reveal themselves we think they are the enemy.Who says they cant intefere in our afffairs anyway apart from star trek prime directive just a few thoughts not my beliefs in any way video looks pretty geniune to me , but then as someone thomascovenant ithink it was said earlier the days of the camera never lies are long gone .Just people hear that expression and belive it . The Running Man stephen king adaptation starring schwarzenegar the camera can be made to reveal whatever whoever puts out .reptile or not you could see he really didnt give a shit and was just fulfilling his contractual obligation. im going back to the pointless sandwich thread now for some snack time inspiration feed your mind body and soul :D

[2013]

i was in the middle of writitng this post and the thread got moved should of been on the original one . :(

[razed1]

fccool

there are much worse things happening on earth than what cathy obrien/arizona wilder has come out with

if you looking for hard case evidence or proof, well what exactly do u have in mind?? a documentary by cnn, declassified documents from teh govt??

sometimes you have to just trust your intuition and assess information as to what makes sense



theres a lot of proof out there 'proving' that 19 arabian hijackers flew two planes into the wtc towers, and that osama masterminded it ALL from caves in afghanistan



i find it kind of silly when some ppl ask for proof, or evidence when speaking about such occult information

theres only ONE proof u need, and thats you inuition, and if youre intuition is weak, or you dont know how to llisten to it, well, thats just someting that will have to come with time, like working any muscle, gotta train it