Zeitgeist 2 being shown on Sky tv tonight

[dicrittical]

heads up to anyone who has not seen it yet, wants to rewatch it or show friends/family/spread the word is now being shown on mainstream british television for the first time ever, on sky channel 200 - Controversial tv, those outside the Uk can watch the live feed online at edgemediatv.com/watchonline

[ronisron]

That's a great documentary. Definitely worth a watch. It makes too much sense for some folks. It just overwhelms them.

[newspresenter]

http://www.edgemediatv.com/xml/schedules.asp

Zeitgeist: Addendum
attempts to locate the root causes of social corruption, while offering a solution not based on "establishment" notions of human affairs, but on an understanding of what we are.

[endlessvista]

This comepletely proves it for me that the Zeitgeist movement and in particular the spooky Venus Project is a NWO disinfo tactic for the New Agers to swing them off course into this silly SCI-Fi futurewold.

[darketernal]

That's a great documentary. Definitely worth a watch. It makes too much sense for some folks. It just overwhelms them.

Agreed. I rather enjoyed it myself, but I suspect the ideas presented in it are still a bit too progressive for many, due to their own high levels of social programing.

[ronisron]

This comepletely proves it for me that the Zeitgeist movement and in particular the spooky Venus Project is a NWO disinfo tactic for the New Agers to swing them off course into this silly SCI-Fi futurewold.

Not to be rude, but how does this movie make you come to the conclusion you did?

[ronisron]

Agreed. I rather enjoyed it myself, but I suspect the ideas presented in it are still a bit too progressive for many, due to their own high levels of social programing.

Well, as soon as some see "Maybe Jesus didn't exist" in so many words, that's enough. It also seems in some strange way, that "Bankers are the cause of most of the wars and economic collapse.." sets off alarms in some too, and then the jargon comes out -- "Holocaust deniers","Jew haters" "conspiracy theorist" etc. You're right about the programming, it's as powerful as any hypnosis can be.

[endlessvista]

Not to be rude, but how does this movie make you come to the conclusion you did?

The first part of the moive is a hook. It tells the truth. It grabs you and and then in the second half present you with the Brave New World, sterile, contolled, "science"-driven Venus Project which looks like Epcot Center at Disneyworld in Florida.

I don't want to live in this:

http://architektonika.ru/uploads/posts/venus_project.jpg

Were I have to pass by a central building command control in the lobby which monitors my every move on my way in an out of my domicle unit 6A and get my daily orders from command central information unit B3698 while having vitamin pills for breakfast.



I wanna live in this:

http://www.french-gite-holidays.com/met_du_pit_ext.JPG

Keep a few chickens, grow some veg and have a shit in woods without needing a Sanitation Pass Credit from the Ministry of Bowel Ethics.


Fuck that shit, if you wanna live in the Venus Project then join the NWO and you'll get it.

[neutron flux]

I suspect the ideas presented in it are still a bit too progressive for many, due to their own high levels of social programing.

The Venus project being a technocratic pathocracy seems like a nightmare, not progression.

[endlessvista]

The Venus project being a technocratic pathocracy seems like a nightmare, not progression.

Absoluetely!

I am amazed that people can't see that it is just a mandate for battery hen society for human units serving the machine.

Scientology meets Freemasonry.

[beldazar]

The first part of the moive is a hook. It tells the truth. It grabs you and and then in the second half present you with the Brave New World, sterile, contolled, "science"-driven Venus Project which looks like Epcot Center at Disneyworld in Florida.

I don't want to live in this:

http://architektonika.ru/uploads/posts/venus_project.jpg

Were I have to pass by a central building command control in the lobby which monitors my every move on my way in an out of my domicle unit 6A and get my daily orders from command central information unit B3698 while having vitamin pills for breakfast.



I wanna live in this:



Keep a few chickens, grow some veg and have a shit in woods without needing a Sanitation Pass Credit from the Ministry of Bowel Ethics.


Fuck that shit, if you wanna live in the Venus Project then join the NWO and you'll get it.


Exactly! (I wouldnt mind living underground though, at least we will be left with some 'natural' beauty in the world...0

[ronisron]

The first part of the moive is a hook. It tells the truth. It grabs you and and then in the second half present you with the Brave New World, sterile, contolled, "science"-driven Venus Project which looks like Epcot Center at Disneyworld in Florida.

I don't want to live in this:

http://architektonika.ru/uploads/posts/venus_project.jpg

Were I have to pass by a central building command control in the lobby which monitors my every move on my way in an out of my domicle unit 6A and get my daily orders from command central information unit B3698 while having vitamin pills for breakfast.



I wanna live in this:



Keep a few chickens, grow some veg and have a shit in woods without needing a Sanitation Pass Credit from the Ministry of Bowel Ethics.


Fuck that shit, if you wanna live in the Venus Project then join the NWO and you'll get it.

I guess the part of the movie that tells the truth is the most important part of it for me. I don't know anything about the Venus Project. I've just watched Zeitgeist, along with Loose Change, etc... and like what is verfiable truth in them. That's about it. Jesus didn't exist and that religion echoes several others in the past -- that truth alone sets about 2 billion minds free if they hear it or see it the right way. The fact that a banking cartel is the real power behind the evil movements of most governments is important truth as well. You don't have to send 29.95 for the DVD with the bonus extras, or join any clubs if you don't want to.

I don't believe evrything Icke says or stands for either, but he's the reason we are here at this forum and I really appreciate him for that, amongst other things. We all can and have to make up our own minds -- the truth will help you make an informed choice rather than an impulsive one.

[dicrittical]

yawn, more haters again

i think it completely proves to me that you have either missed the point or are an nwo agent yourself

[beldazar]

yawn, more haters again

i think it completely proves to me that you have either missed the point or are an nwo agent yourself

who is the hater? Look in the mirror mate.
Im allowed my opinion and conclusion thanks!

[ranran]

Were I have to pass by a central building command control in the lobby which monitors my every move on my way in an out of my domicle unit 6A and get my daily orders from command central information unit B3698 while having vitamin pills for breakfast.

Please give a time stamp in the movie for this comment.

While I don't give credence to the "techno stuff will solve all our ills" viewpoint, I think we can all agree that the current system we live in is corrupt and broken. While most of us do see that a collapse of the current system is coming, very few folks if any have come forth with a plan of action.

The biggest issue we all face is that is our current mindset, we can not continue with "my group vs. your group" mentality. It is this mindset that allows the PTB are able to pit one group against another.

[endlessvista]

I guess the part of the movie that tells the truth is the most important part of it for me. I don't know anything about the Venus Project. I've just watched Zeitgeist, along with Loose Change, etc... and like what is verfiable truth in them. That's about it. Jesus didn't exist and that religion echoes several others in the past -- that truth alone sets about 2 billion minds free if they hear it or see it the right way. The fact that a banking cartel is the real power behind the evil movements of most governments is important truth as well. You don't have to send 29.95 for the DVD with the bonus extras, or join any clubs if you don't want to.

I don't believe evrything Icke says or stands for either, but he's the reason we are here at this forum and I really appreciate him for that, amongst other things. We all can and have to make up our own minds -- the truth will help you make an informed choice rather than an impulsive one.



Well that's fair enough. But I want to know who is behind the Zeitgeist movement and suppling them with huge amounts of money which allows them to not only make and distribute an expensive movie, but also hired several full time "consultants" and pay all the fees for the Venus Project development. There is some serious Bilderburg-style expense account behind it.

And as I said, life under the Venus project is obviously not freedom to anyone who is paying attention. It makes people a unit within the machine society. This is the NWO's ultimate goal and what better way to sell it to people than as a new hope for a better world. OLDEST ILLUMINATI TACTIC IN THE BOOK.

We have been sold these scientific uthopias many times in the past and they have all ended up as inhuman failures. I see nothing to suggest the Venus Project and the meglomanics behind it will present us with anything different. The whole thing stinks of the Fabian Society to me and a backdoor deception into communism.

Just examine the Vensus Project images and they tell a story which is not very "freedom" driven.

You know what my idea of a uthopia is? "Just fuck off and leave me alone. I'll manage fine."

[endlessvista]

Please give a time stamp in the movie for this comment.

While I don't give credence to the "techno stuff will solve all our ills" viewpoint, I think we can all agree that the current system we live in is corrupt and broken. While most of us do see that a collapse of the current system is coming, very few folks if any have come forth with a plan of action.

The biggest issue we all face is that is our current mindset, we can not continue with "my group vs. your group" mentality. It is this mindset that allows the PTB are able to pit one group against another.

Look at the bloody images of their cities and communities. The infrastruture is totally based on human management and complete social control. The whole thing looks like a conveyor belt from living units to work units for the techno slaves.

There is not one image of a vegtable allotment, childrens playground or any kind of natual community meeting place in any of the Venus Project images. Instead it all this goofy looking Tracy Island type world of blandness and boredom which ooozes control of the population.

I was in Orlando in Florida once and was travelling around the suburbs and these planned communities had names like "Celebration" and "Destiny" and they were as creepy as shit filled with miserable people who thought they were living in an upscale family orientated community when they were paying for the honour of popping their prosacs and ritalin in a bland souless gulag of their own making. I seen nothing to suggest to me that the Venus Project would not be 100 times worse.

Pay attention please. You're being sold a lie and a false hope. This proves "they" are behind it.

In fact at this stage I would like to see Mr Icke and other researchers declare war on this disception.

[nialldabass]

Yeah i'm sorry but i think this film is there to mop up those, only just awakening, normally very bright and intellectual people, who have realised whats going on, but just can not get to grips with the idea of freedom and self determination, and this will funnel them back into the correct way of thinking. Just my opinion, and as they say opinions are like ar*eholes, everyone has one.

[endlessvista]

Yeah i'm sorry but i think this film is there to mop up those, only just awakening, normally very bright and intellectual people, who have realised whats going on, but just can not get to grips with the idea of freedom and self determination, and this will funnel them back into the correct way of thinking.

Brilliantly stated. Nice one.

[ronisron]

It's good to inform about who may have financed it, and what their intentions are or may be, but it's still a good way to get people thinking about who calls the shots, why religions are created, etc. Sometimes movies or TV can steer people in ways that books or word of mouth can't.

It seems a bit better than vaguely hypocritical, and VERY hopeful on their part that no one will notice that they are selling utopia while decrying governments and organized religions at the same time..... The truth is evident there, as is this obvious hypocrisy. All I got from it was what is true. As I suggested, don't join the club, don't send in your credit card info.

[ranran]

I was in Orlando in Florida once and was travelling around the suburbs and these planned communities had names like "Celebration" and "Destiny" and they were as creepy as shit filled with miserable people who thought they were living in an upscale family orientated community when they were paying for the honour of popping their prosacs and ritalin in a bland souless gulag of their own making.

Gee, what country doesn't have "cookie cutter" neighborhoods?

[endlessvista]

Gee, what country doesn't have "cookie cutter" neighborhoods?

The problem is that the Venus Project wants a "cookie cutter" planet.

[breezinreezin]

Look at the bloody images of their cities and communities. The infrastruture is totally based on human management and complete social control. The whole thing looks like a conveyor belt from living units to work units for the techno slaves.
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I really like a lot of what you post mate. I say yes to both of your last posts. These are slick,'backed' movies. I've always thought that they're propaganda aimed at the young groovy and impressionable. You know feed us with a certain truth and then steer us to a bright new future. Haha.

I'm only surprised that the beeb or channel 4 hasn't run both of them yet. It's only a matter of time if sky are running them.

[beldazar]

[QUOTE=breezinreezin;911333]I really like a lot of what you post mate.

Me too! There have been several posts from you that do a good job exposing New age stuff.

[steevo]

The Zeitgeist Movies have tons of great info in them. Unfortunately, their solution to the problems is NOT so great. The Venus Project is yet another way of preventing the freedom of the people. They want us to go from one prison to another prison, with the Illuminati still pulling the strings. That's my opinion.

[breezinreezin]

[quote=breezinreezin;911333]I really like a lot of what you post mate.

Me too! There have been several posts from you that do a good job exposing New age stuff.

Yeah, we need people that are going to be super-critical. We're fed so much bullshit, it's important to listen when the BS detectors go off and be able to say so. Endless does that to his credit.

[bones]

The first part of the moive is a hook. It tells the truth. It grabs you and and then in the second half present you with the Brave New World, sterile, contolled, "science"-driven Venus Project which looks like Epcot Center at Disneyworld in Florida.

I don't want to live in this:

http://architektonika.ru/uploads/posts/venus_project.jpg

Were I have to pass by a central building command control in the lobby which monitors my every move on my way in an out of my domicle unit 6A and get my daily orders from command central information unit B3698 while having vitamin pills for breakfast.





I wanna live in this:



Keep a few chickens, grow some veg and have a shit in woods without needing a Sanitation Pass Credit from the Ministry of Bowel Ethics.


Fuck that shit, if you wanna live in the Venus Project then join the NWO and you'll get it.


agreed i wanna shit in the woods too!!!

[darketernal]

The Zeitgeist Movies have tons of great info in them. Unfortunately, their solution to the problems is NOT so great. The Venus Project is yet another way of preventing the freedom of the people. They want us to go from one prison to another prison, with the Illuminati still pulling the strings. That's my opinion.

I'm not saying the Venus Project is by any means that way to go, because again it proposes nothing to remove the current PTB, but the basic premise of it is the kind of direction humanity needs to go to collectively in the long term.

The problem is that as long as the illuminist/brotherhood, and the powers behind them, remain pulling the strings any type of society you try to build will not be free. It doesn't matter how many laws you change or how many revolutions you have, if people are not focused on a world based on love and freedom, and the same mentality is left in charge.

I think something like the Venus Project (where there is no money and technology is used to better society, humanity as a whole, without concerns for ideals such as cost or economics) would be very viable in a different social environment. What I think many fail to realize is that the things they hold dear: capitolism, the constitutions/bills they hold dear in their own nations, the economic system as a whole, the religious institutions, etc are also creations of these same powers, all ment to enslave you and your children, from day one. If you fail to understand this, you do not understand the game being played.

Even the NWO is not about "taking your freedoms away". You never had freedoms. You've been in a prison for all of recorded history. It is about consolitating the various cells of the prison into a more streamline structure to manage the massively increased population of the planet, and to slow down any shifts in the consciousness of humanity. Those who are supporting older paradigms of control are no better than those supporting the new ones.

The world is going to change. Society is going to change, the only question is will the masses allow the change into a NWO one of tyranny ruled by the same forces and mentality that have always ruled (which is the one they have planned), or will they take control and create a free world for the people, based on love and respect for all.

[dicrittical]

where are all you zeitgeist is wrong, michael tsarion is wrong, everybody except david icke is wrong people coming from?! blimey im surprised with david ickes reptilian stuff(his most controversial belief, which i do believe by the way will be proven one fine day) that you havent turned on david icke as well!

[thirdwave]

do people really think that anyone who is awake enough to watch this movie and be open minded to it, that it will then dictate there mind set?

NO!

even IF...IF the VP part is a misleading part... the amount of other info show here is more than enough to wake people up to the corruption of the elite anyway...

its not like the VP will cancel everything else out and leave them wanting to buy Obama T shirts!

but of course the bottom line is, the VP is a reality... either that or something else to bring the whole place crumbling down... if anything that is probably what the mind control could be... simply a more safer end result than people assuming its all leading to the shit hitting the fan... so at least watching to the end...

I just don't get why people bum out at these movies when they clear show more than enough in there to get people out of the trance they are in.

I think its on Sky because the elite are confident enough to put it on Sky... and know over time people are gona see this stuff anyway and the internet is not going out of date.

on this forum there are more people going on about how bad AJ jones is.. and how bad the Z films are than addressing the real issue... so what have they got to fear putting it on?

[steevo]

I'm not saying the Venus Project is by any means that way to go, because again it proposes nothing to remove the current PTB, but the basic premise of it is the kind of direction humanity needs to go to collectively in the long term.

I simply dont want to live that type of life. So what happens to ME then ?

The problem is that as long as the illuminist/brotherhood, and the powers behind them, remain pulling the strings any type of society you try to build will not be free. It doesn't matter how many laws you change or how many revolutions you have, if people are not focused on a world based on love and freedom, and the same mentality is left in charge.

I agree with that.

I think something like the Venus Project (where there is no money and technology is used to better society, humanity as a whole, without concerns for ideals such as cost or economics) would be very viable in a different social environment. What I think many fail to realize is that the things they hold dear: capitolism, the constitutions/bills they hold dear in their own nations, the economic system as a whole, the religious institutions, etc are also creations of these same powers, all ment to enslave you and your children, from day one. If you fail to understand this, you do not understand the game being played.

The difference between the system that we live in today (with the constitutions etc), is that the PTB now want to openly bring in a totalitarian global state. At least with the constitutions, we have SOME liberties. I am not saying that the current system is right, in fact I'm saying the opposite, but the current system and it's constituations are a good measuring stick if you want to explain things to the other people.
The Venus Project sounds suspiciously like the NWO.

Even the NWO is not about "taking your freedoms away".

The NWO is about taking ALL of your liberties away, and ensuring that we continue to have no freedom WHATSOEVER.

You never had freedoms. You've been in a prison for all of recorded history. It is about consolitating the various cells of the prison into a more streamline structure to manage the massively increased population of the planet, and to slow down any shifts in the consciousness of humanity. Those who are supporting older paradigms of control are no better than those supporting the new ones.

DE, just cos i dont like the Venus Project, it doesnt mean that I want to keep the current system.

The world is going to change. Society is going to change, the only question is will the masses allow the change into a NWO one of tyranny ruled by the same forces and mentality that have always ruled (which is the one they have planned), or will they take control and create a free world for the people, based on love and respect for all.

Yes it would have to be based on love and freedom. The rest will take care of itself.

[beldazar]

DE, I want to live how 'I' want to live, not how 'they' dictate...

[oiram]

I guess the part of the movie that tells the truth is the most important part of it for me. I don't know anything about the Venus Project. I've just watched Zeitgeist, along with Loose Change, etc... and like what is verfiable truth in them. That's about it. Jesus didn't exist and that religion echoes several others in the past -- that truth alone sets about 2 billion minds free if they hear it or see it the right way. The fact that a banking cartel is the real power behind the evil movements of most governments is important truth as well. You don't have to send 29.95 for the DVD with the bonus extras, or join any clubs if you don't want to.

I don't believe evrything Icke says or stands for either, but he's the reason we are here at this forum and I really appreciate him for that, amongst other things. We all can and have to make up our own minds -- the truth will help you make an informed choice rather than an impulsive one.
That's the way I see it also!

Don't take anything by face value just extract the important points!

Once you understand filtering nothing can disturb your mind & logic!

Most people can not filter & only hit on the controversial items & forgetting the important point & message by continuously arguing the crap!

The Elite controllers know the sociology of most; because they indoctrinated them with it from the time they entered school & people always fall for there tricks because most lost there individuality & power to resist the sociological war-fare!

Not me; that much I know!
I was rebelling since School if things did not make logical sense!

That's how I have become a loner because I never respected the weak sheep following there masters like puppy dogs & they still do & proving it every time they Voting these control freaks maniacs back into power.
This fact places all of us into this mad never ending slavery situation.
The Sheep is a bigger danger & problem then the Elite them self's.
That's my conclusion

[steevo]

do people really think that anyone who is awake enough to watch this movie and be open minded to it, that it will then dictate there mind set?

NO!

even IF...IF the VP part is a misleading part... the amount of other info show here is more than enough to wake people up to the corruption of the elite anyway...

its not like the VP will cancel everything else out and leave them wanting to buy Obama T shirts!

but of course the bottom line is, the VP is a reality... either that or something else to bring the whole place crumbling down... if anything that is probably what the mind control could be... simply a more safer end result than people assuming its all leading to the shit hitting the fan... so at least watching to the end...

I just don't get why people bum out at these movies when they clear show more than enough in there to get people out of the trance they are in.

I think its on Sky because the elite are confident enough to put it on Sky... and know over time people are gona see this stuff anyway and the internet is not going out of date.

on this forum there are more people going on about how bad AJ jones is.. and how bad the Z films are than addressing the real issue... so what have they got to fear putting it on?

Like I already said, there is alot of great info in the Zeitgeist movies, but alot of the NWO stuff is similar to what the Venus Project is proposing. So if people who are not into this conspiracy research watch Zeitgeist and THEN learn about the Venus Project, they will see that the direction that Obama is leading them in, is actually similar to the Venus Project.

I think that it's a form of Predictive Programming.

I can just see it now :-
"The Venus Project. Can we do it ? YES WE CAN!"

[lightgiver]

Venus Project= plastic city.pile of shite.

Of course the world as to change,does anyone really believe the elites have our best interest at hearts,even though I do not see eye to eye with endless vista on some issues,he is correct about this one.

If you get rid of money we will be up the creek,what about those who do not want to work or pay taxes to a corrupt system,we need a fairer system not run by the corrupt bankers and politicians and get back to green ecological sustainable living,with money.

There already as been threads on this,and the 2nd half of Zeitgeist 2 got a thumbs down and a lot of the religion stuff is questionable,maybe the NWO lackeys made it.:D

DE also you are always pro NWO, no money and no religion,do you have links to them,i have been watching your posts.Ha Ha.

[nialldabass]

Another reason for the VP part of the film could be to discredit the real truth and to make it look like some mumbo jumbo new age nonsense
if we had decent Bankers there would be no problem with money
And a world without religeon might be a nicer place but a world were religeon was banned or we only had one religeon would be infinately worse
So zeitgeist is not the movie to wake people up
how about starting with America Freedom to Facism
Keeps the topic in the 'real' world

[thirdwave]

Like I already said, there is alot of great info in the Zeitgeist movies, but alot of the NWO stuff is similar to what the Venus Project is proposing. So if people who are not into this conspiracy research watch Zeitgeist and THEN learn about the Venus Project, they will see that the direction that Obama is leading them in, is actually similar to the Venus Project.

I think that it's a form of Predictive Programming.

I can just see it now :-
"The Venus Project. Can we do it ? YES WE CAN!"

i see the concern... but if people see the rest of the video, it will hardly leave them in a state of ignorance regarding how much we can trust our government and what they do... in fact most the film would leave people sickend by how they manipulate..

The NWO is not an elite creation.. it something that will happen... they simply wish to dictate it... the VP may well be one of their plans... but how will they try to unfold it? and how important is it people know how crooked and dishonest the people were that unfold it? I think the Z film covers that....

i dont see anything wrong with useing technology to the max... killing millions of people to get there so the ones with power stay that way is the big no no...

[steevo]

i see the concern... but if people see the rest of the video, it will hardly leave them in a state of ignorance regarding how much we can trust our government and what they do... in fact most the film would leave people sickend by how they manipulate..

The NWO is not an elite creation.. it something that will happen... they simply wish to dictate it... the VP may well be one of their plans... but how will they try to unfold it? and how important is it people know how crooked and dishonest the people were that unfold it? I think the Z film covers that....

i dont see anything wrong with useing technology to the max... killing millions of people to get there so the ones with power stay that way is the big no no...

There is plenty of evidence that shows that the NWO is an "elite" creation (if by "elite" you mean the PTB). And it isnt inevitable that the NWO will happen (if by "NWO" you mean a one world government). It is only happening cos we allow it to happen (due to brainwashing and manipulation).

Using technology "to the max". What do you mean by that TW ? Most technology got designed and mass produced for the purpose of repressing and destroying the spiritual side of humanity IN MY OPINION. Once we come out of the shell that we are in, we will hopefully realise that all this "technology" isnt even necessary and has nothing REALLY to do with progress, and it is actually a backward move IMO.
Obviously there is good technology too but like I say, most of the technology isnt even necessary and can actually contribute to our downfall.

[mightiswrong]

Zeitgeist2 makes clear suggestions of a panopticon singularity (http://www.antipope.org/charlie/rant/panopticon-essay.html) in which technology would protect us from harm. Maybe these motorways would be designed so that the greater part of nature couldn't be accessed by vehicle. After all they appear to have scrubbed the previous mentions of encapsulated cities from their website. Further more the utopian ideas of robots growing food for us do not allow Man to intereact with the plants. Anastasia says that by holding seeds in ones mouth for 9 minutes (http://www.ringingcedarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=844) we can share information with the seed so that it can heal all and every disease from our bodies. Robots clearly wouldn't be able to do this for us. When I was young at school they used to tell us about this venus project type future where everything would be done for us by robots. They are still telling people this. It is a utopion notion where we would depend on technology and this dreaming holds us back from true freedom in the now by making use of Gods creatures the humble horse for transport, the apple, plumb and pear tree, the grape vine and all the others that can immediately free us from our schackles to the technocratic system.

We don't need technology and one day we will realise how useless and harmful it is. All the animals and plants are waiting, hoping that we return to our pristine origins where they can be of service to us, where they can love us and give us everything we need.

[darketernal]

Venus Project= plastic city.pile of shite.

Of course the world as to change,does anyone really believe the elites have our best interest at hearts,even though I do not see eye to eye with endless vista on some issues,he is correct about this one.

If you get rid of money we will be up the creek,what about those who do not want to work or pay taxes to a corrupt system,we need a fairer system not run by the corrupt bankers and politicians and get back to green ecological sustainable living,with money.

There already as been threads on this,and the 2nd half of Zeitgeist 2 got a thumbs down and a lot of the religion stuff is questionable,maybe the NWO lackeys made it.:D

DE also you are always pro NWO, no money and no religion,do you have links to them,i have been watching your posts.Ha Ha.

It is my own experience that all religions as well as the concept of money are the creation of the brotherhood. This is the same power structure that is designing the NWO currently. So I should support two of their creations and reject a third?

There is plenty of evidence that shows that the NWO is an "elite" creation (if by "elite" you mean the PTB). And it isnt inevitable that the NWO will happen (if by "NWO" you mean a one world government). It is only happening cos we allow it to happen (due to brainwashing and manipulation).

Using technology "to the max". What do you mean by that TW ? Most technology got designed and mass produced for the purpose of repressing and destroying the spiritual side of humanity IN MY OPINION. Once we come out of the shell that we are in, we will hopefully realise that all this "technology" isnt even necessary and has nothing REALLY to do with progress, and it is actually a backward move IMO.
Obviously there is good technology too but like I say, most of the technology isnt even necessary and can actually contribute to our downfall.

Technology is like any other tool. It can be used for any number of purposes, positive and negative. Within a negative controling system, technology (if you want to call it that... after all the masses only get the scraps off the master's table) has been used to suppress as well as detact humanity from the natural order of things. It doesn't have to be this way. It can be used for the opposite purpose in the hands of people who wish to do so. However I can assure you in no system where there is any drive to make a profit or make money, will technology truely be used for the best interests of the masses, nor will it be in any system where the purpose of the system itself is control of the many by the few.

[bicycle]

Alex Jones speaks about the NWO propaganda film Zeitgeist.

Alex Jones Tv:Zeitgeist Addendum"The Review"1/3 - YouTube

[steevo]

Technology is like any other tool. It can be used for any number of purposes, positive and negative. Within a negative controling system, technology (if you want to call it that... after all the masses only get the scraps off the master's table) has been used to suppress as well as detact humanity from the natural order of things. It doesn't have to be this way. It can be used for the opposite purpose in the hands of people who wish to do so. However I can assure you in no system where there is any drive to make a profit or make money, will technology truely be used for the best interests of the masses, nor will it be in any system where the purpose of the system itself is control of the many by the few.

For example, do we REALLY need televison ? That is technology that COULD be used for positive OR negative purposes. BUT DO WE EVEN NEED TELEVISION ? Do we even NEED to concentrate so MUCH on technology ? The Venus Project thinks so, but it may actually be only SUBJECTIVE thinking. Technology (if you wanna call it that) is the past. We need to move forward as human SPIRITUAL beings.
I'm on my computer now, but I would gladly exchange this bullshit technology for something more real, in the way that mightiswrong has already expressed in, what I consider to be, an excellent post.

[steevo]

It is my own experience that all religions as well as the concept of money are the creation of the brotherhood. This is the same power structure that is designing the NWO currently. So I should support two of their creations and reject a third?



Technology is like any other tool. It can be used for any number of purposes, positive and negative. Within a negative controling system, technology (if you want to call it that... after all the masses only get the scraps off the master's table) has been used to suppress as well as detact humanity from the natural order of things. It doesn't have to be this way. It can be used for the opposite purpose in the hands of people who wish to do so. However I can assure you in no system where there is any drive to make a profit or make money, will technology truely be used for the best interests of the masses, nor will it be in any system where the purpose of the system itself is control of the many by the few.

I forgot to mention that ANY NWO or one world "government" can NEVER work. It puts a small group of people in ABSOLUTE "power". This WILL corrupt them, in fact it already has.

Power Corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The ego can never escape this.

[pinkgeranium]

The first part of the moive is a hook. It tells the truth. It grabs you and and then in the second half present you with the Brave New World, sterile, contolled, "science"-driven Venus Project which looks like Epcot Center at Disneyworld in Florida.

I don't want to live in this:

http://architektonika.ru/uploads/posts/venus_project.jpg

Were I have to pass by a central building command control in the lobby which monitors my every move on my way in an out of my domicle unit 6A and get my daily orders from command central information unit B3698 while having vitamin pills for breakfast.



I wanna live in this:



Keep a few chickens, grow some veg and have a shit in woods without needing a Sanitation Pass Credit from the Ministry of Bowel Ethics.


Fuck that shit, if you wanna live in the Venus Project then join the NWO and you'll get it.


Ey up.......Endlessvista........you've Pulled.



Cricky..........Ive found my soulmate.......:D







Project Venus sent shivers down my spine and not in a good way...:(

[thirdwave]

There is plenty of evidence that shows that the NWO is an "elite" creation (if by "elite" you mean the PTB).

Not really... it is taken from ancient prophesies... they did not just suddenly decide the NWO is a good idea, it has been a prophesy they have known about for a long time and have been intent on controlling it... and today they are fully aware there these are the times..

The people driving it are inspired by ancient cults.. who see these times as the new Aeon.. the New World... the cross over for man kind.


And it isnt inevitable that the NWO will happen (if by "NWO" you mean a one world government). It is only happening cos we allow it to happen (due to brainwashing and manipulation).

I see the NWO is there ideal in the new world... which is going to happen no matter what anyone does.... the New world will come... with out a shadow of doubt... the NWO is simply their attempt and keeping it in their pocket... this is not a sure thing at all... but the NW has already packed its bags.

Using technology "to the max". What do you mean by that TW ? Most technology got designed and mass produced for the purpose of repressing and destroying the spiritual side of humanity IN MY OPINION.

Once we come out of the shell that we are in, we will hopefully realise that all this "technology" isnt even necessary and has nothing REALLY to do with progress, and it is actually a backward move IMO.
Obviously there is good technology too but like I say, most of the technology isnt even necessary and can actually contribute to our downfall.
only because of our ignorance not because of it being an evil tool... it has good and bad sides.... TV can be used to keep people ignorant... yet the internet can create a rebellion... what if we had an ETE live on everyone's TV set tell them the truth about this planet and the evil elite... that would be one hell of a tool.... the more technology that we see... the more reality we can see as well... and what we know is possible or not...

for example lets just say 9/11 was done by hologram technology... at the moment its a fantasy to most people... yet if in 15 years time we see adverts on the sky created by holograms... then people can see that 9/11 could easily have been done by that technology...

just like at some stage people will learn how easy it can be to be hypnotised by TV.... if the truth was allays put on the table about technology... we would all live in a different world where we see technology as a gift from the universe.... technology is a part of nature... it is as natural as the grass IMO... it just starts to require responsibility.

[steevo]

only because of our ignorance not because of it being an evil tool... it has good and bad sides.... TV can be used to keep people ignorant... yet the internet can create a rebellion... what if we had an ETE live on everyone's TV set tell them the truth about this planet and the evil elite... that would be one hell of a tool.... the more technology that we see... the more reality we can see as well... and what we know is possible or not...


Whether good or bad, we simply didnt NEED tv.

[thirdwave]

Whether good or bad, we simply didnt NEED tv.

well no... but it has been in our natures to want to expand and grow as a race... we get fed up and frustrated at being stagnant.. maybe not so much when we get older...

if we created TV for art and so we could communicate like on our laptops... you could say we did not NEED it as in life saving... but it would be a step closer to working this reality out and expanding our knowledge within this physical plane..

I will agree that one must not become detached with natural creations we see around us as that is what we are...... but I don't think that's all down to technology that does that to us... I think that's down to how society makes us turn to the technology for the wrong things.... how the technology is useing us.. and not the other way around...

for example the TV is used to make many fear going out.... and then the TV is used to fill their head with shit when they stay in looking at it.... but don't you think we are at a stage where if technology get any more advanced we are gona start thinking... hhmmmm hang about, how the fuck is that possible... and many questions will be raised...

[mightiswrong]

As far as entertainment is concerned would it not be far more entertaining and rewarding to gather in our communities and watch live performances by our pears of music and drama?

Instead of a select few having an audience would it not be better for all musicians, artists and teachers to have a chance of an audience? For them and for us?

[steevo]

well no... but it has been in our natures to want to expand and grow as a race... we get fed up and frustrated at being stagnant.. maybe not so much when we get older...

It depends on how you define "expand and grow". Have we REALLY grown through technology ? Or have we BECOME stagnant or worse ? I am not BLAMING technology, I am saying that technology is not necessarily progress, and at the moment at least, technology is more destructive (and potentially destructive) than ever before. Most people seem to believe that "progress/expand/grow" correlate to technological inventions. Why ? Because we have been brought up to believe that. To design inventions that TRULY work for us, first we would need to grow spiritualy and THEN we would be in position where we could re-evalute technology with real clarity. I think that the absense of spirituality has created OTHER cravings, and these cravings will only leave us feeling MORE empty. I feel that spiritual beings dont really WANT technology on such a grand scale, never mind need it.

When the internet became accessible to all, those feelings of emptiness have led us in a new direction, and we have found some real answers. Was that MEANT to happen ? Or did the PTB miscalculate ? We will find out soon enough.

[beldazar]

Whether good or bad, we simply didnt NEED tv.


I certainly agree with you there Steevo, we need to be back out, mixing, interacting with others, same goes with PC's too. (But at least for now, its the best form of communicating whats really going on and a way to spread the word so for now it can stay ;))
We all sit in on our own, completely separated from each other. When this shit is over things will be so different!

Has anyone seen Hashemsfilms describing the way TV was invented? Shocking! They knew what they were doing....:(

[dicrittical]

alex jones slags off david icke, zeitgeist etc

the only nwo propaganda out of zeitgeist and alex jones, is alex jones.

zeitgeist is exposing the nwo, cant you see that?

[beldazar]

alex jones slags off david icke, zeitgeist etc

the only nwo propaganda out of zeitgeist and alex jones, is alex jones.

zeitgeist is exposing the nwo, cant you see that?

Ermmm since when does Alex Jones slag off David Icke??

you are right about zeitgeist exposing the NWO but you have to look out for traps (well you dont have to but give others a break that dont come to the same conclusions as you)

[endlessvista]

alex jones slags off david icke, zeitgeist etc

the only nwo propaganda out of zeitgeist and alex jones, is alex jones.

zeitgeist is exposing the nwo, cant you see that?


I haven't the faintest clue what you are on about. I do not think you do either.

But do not let that deter you from making a poster for the Venus Project:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60646

[bicycle]

alex jones slags off david icke, zeitgeist etc

the only nwo propaganda out of zeitgeist and alex jones, is alex jones.

zeitgeist is exposing the nwo, cant you see that?

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mightiswrong]

alex jones slags off david icke, zeitgeist etc

the only nwo propaganda out of zeitgeist and alex jones, is alex jones.

zeitgeist is exposing the nwo, cant you see that?

Exposing the NWO? It promotes the NWO as the saviour. Technology is the new god. 'Living' in enclosed cities (prisons) with robots growing food. LOL. What a load of BS.

[chris]

Yes, it exposes the NWO and offers the NWO in return...

The good thing about it is that the expose is explosive while the alternative choice is unappealing to the average viewer. So it will plant major seeds while not creating much momentum for the latter part of the film.

[ronisron]

Yes, it exposes the NWO and offers the NWO in return...

The good thing about it is that the expose is explosive while the alternative choice is unappealing to the average viewer. So it will plant major seeds while not creating much momentum for the latter part of the film.

Just look at the one side of that 2 headed coin, and leave it at that. Some are almost insisting that if you've watched this, you are down with, and are supporting the Venus Project. In my case, not so. We could do away with most of the technology, and learn to live with each other and nature in a more effective balance. The truth is, that bankers do engineer war and economic strife, and the Christian religion and it's sacred deity are all based on previous religions with very similar stories. There is an elite group of families attempting to control the world and are ruthless in their pursuits. This is truth.

If Zeitgeist 2's true intention is that of trickery, and it's just propaganda for a Technological Utopia, it fell far short of it's mark as far as I go, and it's not working for a lot of the folks replying here.

You can find the truth, or the pathway to a greater understanding in reading the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper...... example? You read the ingredients and see new words like "sucralose" and "aspartame" and "mannitol" included in the ingredients of some chewing gum. If you are so inclined, a quick internet search reveals what these ingredients are, some sites list them as horrifying additives that cause a number of different maladies in people. You may wonder why anyone would add these things to chewing gum...isn't sugar bad enough? In reading about aspartame, you see the name Donald Rumsfeld, as he was key in having this once banned substance finally passed as "safe" by the FDA... and think "Rumsfeld?? Isn't he military?? Wasn't he a key figure at and around the time of 9/11??" ETC..

Zeitgeist does tell the truth in it's attempt to sell you something else..... in looking up Venus Project on the web, one may come to the conclusion -- that they just don't need to chew gum at all anymore...... The truth is undeniable, how one arrives at it is inconsequential.

[devanshoom]

6 billion people in this world....and if you are not going to wipe 80% of them out then they have to somehow live.

6 billion might just be too many for everyone to have a nice veggie plot and freedom to crap where they like. We may well have got too many in numbers for anything except a planned utopia.

the venus thing does look shit and sterile though eh.

[chris]

Just look at the one side of that 2 headed coin, and leave it at that. Some are almost insisting that if you've watched this, you are down with, and are supporting the Venus Project. In my case, not so. We could do away with most of the technology, and learn to live with each other and nature in a more effective balance. The truth is, that bankers do engineer war and economic strife, and the Christian religion and it's sacred deity are all based on previous religions with very similar stories. There is an elite group of families attempting to control the world and are ruthless in their pursuits. This is truth.

If Zeitgeist 2's true intention is that of trickery, and it's just propaganda for a Technological Utopia, it fell far short of it's mark as far as I go, and it's not working for a lot of the folks replying here.

You can find the truth, or the pathway to a greater understanding in reading the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper...... example? You read the ingredients and see new words like "sucralose" and "aspartame" and "mannitol" included in the ingredients of some chewing gum. If you are so inclined, a quick internet search reveals what these ingredients are, some sites list them as horrifying additives that cause a number of different maladies in people. You may wonder why anyone would add these things to chewing gum...isn't sugar bad enough? In reading about aspartame, you see the name Donald Rumsfeld, as he was key in having this once banned substance finally passed as "safe" by the FDA... and think "Rumsfeld?? Isn't he military?? Wasn't he a key figure at and around the time of 9/11??" ETC..

Zeitgeist does tell the truth in it's attempt to sell you something else..... in looking up Venus Project on the web, one may come to the conclusion -- that they just don't need to chew gum at all anymore...... The truth is undeniable, how one arrives at it is inconsequential.

Very well put...

http://www.quizilla.com/user_images/D/domoroboto/1110218408_2killbill3.JPG

[steevo]

Yes, it exposes the NWO and offers the NWO in return...

The good thing about it is that the expose is explosive while the alternative choice is unappealing to the average viewer. So it will plant major seeds while not creating much momentum for the latter part of the film.

Personally i think that Zeitgeist is NWO shite. It's a mixture of truth and NWO agenda. If it plants seeds then great, but I also think that it will plant bad seeds too, and I NEVER recommend Zeitgeist movies for that reason. If someone that I know DOES watch Zeitgeist and wants to discuss it, then i will tell them my thoughts on it.

[mightiswrong]

6 billion people in this world....and if you are not going to wipe 80% of them out then they have to somehow live.

6 billion might just be too many for everyone to have a nice veggie plot and freedom to crap where they like. We may well have got too many in numbers for anything except a planned utopia.

the venus thing does look shit and sterile though eh.

Check out the following figures:

The total land area of these 200 territories is 13,056 million hectares. Divided up equally that would be 2.1 hectares for each person. A hectare is 100 metres by 100 metres.
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=1

Now I do understand that not all of this land is habitable and that we should not turn over all the remaining wilderness to family food gardens/ forests. However these food gardens/ forests provide an ideal habitat for Man and a wide variety of animals and plants. Far better than the mono cultures and cities we have had in the past. Now let us consider a very conservative estimate.

If we take 1 quarter of the land mass which according to these figures is 3,264,000,000 hectares and we allocate it for family food gardens/ forrests suitable for an average family of size of 4 we could support a population of 4*3,264,000,000= 13,056,000,000.

That figure of 13 billion is more than double the current population so with the current population we would only use less than 1/8th of the total land mass for family food gardens/ forrests.


I have not taken into account surplus food from the domains or food from the rest of the land mass or oceans.

We can therefore see that overpopulation is a complete lie and that given the size of the population we cannot afford to continue with a policy of centralisation and dependence. It is far too risky.

Please sign the petition in my signature.

[joe911]

Earlier today i watched the zeitgeist movement presentation,if you havent seen it yet its pretty much the same as addendum but then goes on to explain how thier society would sustain itsself and geeez they do make it complicated theres one part where he talks about what people think they need and he says someone cleaning dust may say "i need a hoover,when in reality they need something bla bla with electromagnetic something to stop a build up of dust in the first place" i was like:eek: just hoover and sweep once in a while you lazy shit :rolleyes:
Plus in thier utopia what would there be to do? what would everyone talk about? it would be worse than 1984.

[romas]

Man endlessvista the only thing I could agree with you is to find out how Peter Joseph manage to make all he did so far and if there is some secret funding, sure why not. We really can't believe some one would waste some much of their time to devote to some kind of ideology huh?

Illuminati behind every dark corner, must be a tough world to live in.

But the rest of your rambling is just coming from a selfish human being who doesn't really give a shit about anything and just wants to take a dump in the woods. And frankly I'm tired of your kind and I mean the frame of thinking, I find you outdated and leading nowhere, if history shows anything is that everyone just wants to take a shit and they don't really like some one else taking shit in "their" woods. And behind your words there is just that, you and what you want for "this planet" How much better off people like you are than NWO, pure self serving assholes arguing who is going to take the shit first and party like they just don't care.

All you freaks just pretend to care and proclaim to be "awake", come here every day for your dose of "NWO is GONNA KILL US EVIL this EVIL that"

[thirdwave]

Exposing the NWO? It promotes the NWO as the saviour.

????

very odd comment IMO.

[romas]

As far as entertainment is concerned would it not be far more entertaining and rewarding to gather in our communities and watch live performances by our pears of music and drama?

Instead of a select few having an audience would it not be better for all musicians, artists and teachers to have a chance of an audience? For them and for us?



Is that some kind of wet dream of yours? Because it's not hard to manifest, you just actually have to get together with *gasp* people.

Why enforce your dreams on others, there will always be undeveloped people running around the woods, until there won't be any left due to natural causes (ooo natural eugenics are good!).

I love your comment on taking land(from everyone) and dividing it and blah blah imaginary figures etc. And force everyone to grow gardens and shit and if they happen to hate plowing land all day long we gently beat the crap out of them and show the true love of nature.

With ignorance VP or some magical pony garden system or any other is doomed to fail. And while we all argue over our ideals here and there NWO will manifest in it's best 1984 form, just better technology and then some wonder why David Icke seems pissed off :D

[mightiswrong]

A technological utopia with a world government and enclosed cities. Sounds like the NWO to me. I tell you what while these people are magicing their dustless countertops out of thin air people are dieing. There are lives on the line and all these people can think about is making their lives easier. Oh I don't want to have to wipe my own arse. We all need robots to do it for us. Tossers.

[oddblock]

It is being put on SKY for a reason and it's not to nourish us. I reckon this is to start the evocation of a world new age religeon.

[lightgiver]

It is my own experience that all religions as well as the concept of money are the creation of the brotherhood. This is the same power structure that is designing the NWO currently. So I should support two of their creations and reject a third?



Technology is like any other tool. It can be used for any number of purposes, positive and negative. Within a negative controling system, technology (if you want to call it that... after all the masses only get the scraps off the master's table) has been used to suppress as well as detact humanity from the natural order of things. It doesn't have to be this way. It can be used for the opposite purpose in the hands of people who wish to do so. However I can assure you in no system where there is any drive to make a profit or make money, will technology truely be used for the best interests of the masses, nor will it be in any system where the purpose of the system itself is control of the many by the few.

So then who runs the show in project Venus with no money?and how do we get our basic necessities and where do they come from?and what if I and others do not want to comply? and nothing wrong with religion, spirituality,its only a label,its what you project onto the label what counts.

BTW explain how the Brotherhood made up religion and money?,its sounds like they have one(religion) all of their own.:D

I do understand where you are coming from,but all this venus project and no money and no religion sounds to NWO for me,I am all for a Peaceful world and the like but not a elitist one,it will still be as corrupt,do you think they TPTB will want to lose their privileges and power,just look at what they are up to now ,they are corrupt to the core.


The technology's already exist for a cleaner and greener world, and all the spiritual(religious) way of life knowledge as been around for thousands of years,it is all being suppressed,by TPTB.

The elites system has always controlled the many and the Project Venus will be no different.The elites will not allow people to have control of their life's.

The power needs to be with the people ,but the people cannot wake up from the constant stream of garbage on offer.

The Natural earth is going to wake people up because the Elites will not wake anyone up.;) I myself Prefer Project Forest and Mother nature.

What is this world condition?
Body is the world condition.
And with body and form goes feeling, perception, consciousness, and all the activities throughout the world.
The arising of form and the ceasing of form--everything that has been heard, sensed, and known, sought after and reached by the mind--all this is the embodied world, to be penetrated and realized.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The Evening and Morning Star.

[mightiswrong]

Is that some kind of wet dream of yours? Because it's not hard to manifest, you just actually have to get together with *gasp* people.

Why enforce your dreams on others, there will always be undeveloped people running around the woods, until there won't be any left due to natural causes (ooo natural eugenics are good!).

I love your comment on taking land(from everyone) and dividing it and blah blah imaginary figures etc. And force everyone to grow gardens and shit and if they happen to hate plowing land all day long we gently beat the crap out of them and show the true love of nature.

With ignorance VP or some magical pony garden system or any other is doomed to fail. And while we all argue over our ideals here and there NWO will manifest in it's best 1984 form, just better technology and then some wonder why David Icke seems pissed off :D

If you wanna buy food you better be grateful someone is prepared to grow it for you. Don't complain if it's GM or if you have to have a microchip up your arse. Your asking for it. Atleast I don' fucking fund the war and take the time out so share the blueprint for a new civilisation with you, unpaid out of the kindness of my heart. You can have your NWO if you want. Im just not going to be a part of it. Fact is an established food garden doesn't require work to maintain and your the one who is forcing people thru an economic prison to grow food for you. My dream is my dream. If you don't like it that is fine with me. Problem is you don't have a better idea and would rather people die than give up on your murderous system.

[romas]

If you wanna buy food you better be grateful someone is prepared to grow it for you. Don't complain if it's GM or if you have to have a microchip up your arse. Your asking for it. Atleast I don' fucking fund the war and take the time out so share the blueprint for a new civilisation with you, unpaid out of the kindness of my heart. You can have your NWO if you want. Im just not going to be a part of it. Fact is an established food garden doesn't require work to maintain and your the one who is forcing people thru an economic prison to grow food for you. My dream is my dream. If you don't like it that is fine with me. Problem is you don't have a better idea and would rather people die than give up on your murderous system.


Why would I be grateful, that's ludicrous, no one is doing anything for charity, if anyone is growing anything is just to stay alive in the system, it might be nice to feel the way you do, but reality is quite different. And the reason there is GM is because some one decided they can't be arsed to plow earth all day long, they rather find a way to make other people plow earth for them, while they collect the benefit from patent seeds.

You're funding war just as much as I am, at least I know you had to pay for the internet you used to type the message in and some of that went to fund wars etc. Ignorance is bliss but seeing demons everywhere suggest you have some major malfunction somewhere, I'm amazed how you could find murder and death in VP, incredible set of mind :D

[romas]

It is being put on SKY for a reason and it's not to nourish us. I reckon this is to start the evocation of a world new age religeon.



"They" have had D. Icke on Wogen show was it twice now? Oh those sneaky little NWO "whoever" behind every corner, even lured us all here so we waste all our time arguing while "they" finish their plans muahahahahah!

[mightiswrong]

You should be grateful to all those who help you live. Without them you would not last very long at all. Anyway don't talk to me ever again.

[paradise_1000]

I found the 2nd film a dissapointment TBH

[romas]

You should be grateful to all those who help you live. Without them you would not last very long at all. Anyway don't talk to me ever again.



Nice way to change the subject mr. plower. There is an ignore button if you don't believe in freedom of speech.

[lightgiver]

The guy who dislikes money so much charges $10 to view is film and the countless wads he as made through his films and his mate Jacque Fresco :rolleyes:

Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco Critique the Monetary Economy - NYTimes.com:

This drew wild applause from the sold-out crowd, a patchwork of perhaps 900 people who paid $10 a head on Sunday night to sit in a packed auditorium at the Borough of Manhattan Community College on Chambers Street near the West Side Highway. Z-Day events were taking place from New England to New Zealand, but this was the big one: the marquee happening with the marquee names.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html


Now something to me just does not add up,maybe the wads he is counting in his bulging bank account,its not money what is the problem its greedy corrupt bastards that are the problem,its not religion the problem its people using the label religion to commit atrocities that's the problem:(

and all these problems stem from peoples minds not bloody labels.

"All things are preceded by the mind, led by the mind, created by the mind."

[romas]

and all these problems stem from peoples minds not bloody labels.



That's true, I see your nickname and then I read how you label people wads and then refute labels?

He is not Jebus, he's just some guy and(probably) was born in the system so he has to pay for the toilet and the paper to sustain his body. I'd be more surprised if he didn't charge anything(imagine the excuses on this forum - omg NWO funding!).

[dynamicwiseman]

This comepletely proves it for me that the Zeitgeist movement and in particular the spooky Venus Project is a NWO disinfo tactic for the New Agers to swing them off course into this silly SCI-Fi futurewold.

...and head first into a FEMA concentration camp. People need to ignore this Venus bullshit project, the simple fact that sky is caring this fucker, trips my alarm system.

Venus project = illusion paradise for the sheeple.

[mightiswrong]

The thing is Romas I don't need a plow when I can get a pig to dig up my garden and he will be more than happy to do it. I can wipe my own arse thanks very much.

[terranigma]

This comepletely proves it for me that the Zeitgeist movement and in particular the spooky Venus Project is a NWO disinfo tactic for the New Agers to swing them off course into this silly SCI-Fi futurewold.
Please read and understand this. He is 100% right.

[bowtiedaddy]

...and people still debate whether this film is disinfo.

Who owns Sky TV? ;)

[joe911]

The thing is Romas I don't need a plow when I can get a pig to dig up my garden and he will be more than happy to do it. I can wipe my own arse thanks very much.

well if the venus project had its way theyd find a way of using crap as a resource lol, the problems with venus project are outlined perfectly in wall-e.

[bendelapidate]

Not to be rude, but how does this movie make you come to the conclusion you did?

The fact of the matter is that what they are promoting in Zeitgeist: Addendum is nothing short of the actual plan that the global elite intend to implement; the one that authors like Aldous Huxley, Bertrand Russell and H.G. Wells wrote about decades ago. It has also been written about extensively in Freemasonic, Rosicrucian, and theosophical works for at least a hundred years. The film however is quite misleading about the nature of this plan, as it leaves out large and extremely significant facts about the proposed future utopia.

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/?p=56

Zeitgeist is a very clever PR stunt on behalf of the global elite. They know the current system is madness and they planned the solution that would eventually be demanded, many years ago.

[lightgiver]

That's true, I see your nickname and then I read how you label people wads and then refute labels?

He is not Jebus, he's just some guy and(probably) was born in the system so he has to pay for the toilet and the paper to sustain his body. I'd be more surprised if he didn't charge anything(imagine the excuses on this forum - omg NWO funding!).

It appears you have an excuse for everything :p:D:D NWO lackey.

It appears Mightiswrong is mightyright.:) and romas is mightywrong on all fronts including his cheap jibes.

The Rainbow Warriors - YouTube

(Part 1) Indigenous Native American Prophecy (Elders Speak part 1) - YouTube

[romas]

It appears you have an excuse for everything :p:D:D NWO lackey.

It appears Mightiswrong is mightyright.:) and romas is mightywrong on all fronts including his cheap jibes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utBkbJIYMy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylfQtkDg



Yeah I work for NWO because I can see right through your dogmatic bullshit :rolleyes:

[devanshoom]

Check out the following figures:


http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=1

Now I do understand that not all of this land is habitable and that we should not turn over all the remaining wilderness to family food gardens/ forests. However these food gardens/ forests provide an ideal habitat for Man and a wide variety of animals and plants. Far better than the mono cultures and cities we have had in the past. Now let us consider a very conservative estimate.

If we take 1 quarter of the land mass which according to these figures is 3,264,000,000 hectares and we allocate it for family food gardens/ forrests suitable for an average family of size of 4 we could support a population of 4*3,264,000,000= 13,056,000,000.

That figure of 13 billion is more than double the current population so with the current population we would only use less than 1/8th of the total land mass for family food gardens/ forrests.


I have not taken into account surplus food from the domains or food from the rest of the land mass or oceans.

We can therefore see that overpopulation is a complete lie and that given the size of the population we cannot afford to continue with a policy of centralisation and dependence. It is far too risky.

Please sign the petition in my signature.


yes okay point taken.

[mightiswrong]

lightgiver thanks for those vids. I really liked them especially where it says about taking action not just words.

[thirdwave]

The guy who dislikes money so much charges $10 to view is film and the countless wads he as made through his films and his mate Jacque Fresco :rolleyes:


wow, how much more disinfo could you put out there!

the Z films have been put free for all to see on line in hi resolution..also free to download, just because they may ALSO be for sale as a DVD, what in the hell is wrong with that?

like the movie or not, but lets not come out with complete bollox.

here, they have always been available for download on the site...

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

you expect people to manufacture and fund DVDs for you and give them away for our luxury?

and its $7 to own the DVD, including P&P. ( $8.50 International ) .. what a rip off! :rolleyes:

[romas]

thirdwave now you just gave the nay-sayers a reason to believe it's NWO sponsored ;)

[lightgiver]

wow, how much more disinfo could you put out there!

the Z films have been put free for all to see on line in hi resolution..also free to download, just because they may ALSO be for sale as a DVD, what in the hell is wrong with that?

like the movie or not, but lets not come out with complete bollox.

here, they have always been available for download on the site...

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

you expect people to manufacture and fund DVDs for you and give them away for our luxury?

and its $7 to own the DVD, including P&P. ( $8.50 International ) .. what a rip off! :rolleyes:

Not as much disinfo as the NWO lackeys on here :D:D

You need to start thinking for yourselves and stop jumping on BAND wagons,but maybe that's what you like oh and having the last word.

PS also arguing and going around in circles with non-intellectual dumb ass comments.

[lightgiver]

Yeah I work for NWO because I can see right through your dogmatic bullshit :rolleyes:

Yes insults are the last resort ,you and 3rd wave make an interesting team.

Zeitgeist is full of holes,but I can bet peter just loves Money and Power.

Jesus was not a sun god - YouTube

but because Zeitgeist tells you otherwise I suppose its fact.:rolleyes::rolleyes: a double roll of the cheap eyes.

[thirdwave]

thirdwave now you just gave the nay-sayers a reason to believe it's NWO sponsored ;)

yes, if they are not having ago at someone for charging cash for their hard work and talent.. they claim they must be being funded allowing them to give it away for free...

[lightgiver]

yes, if they are not having ago at someone for charging cash for their hard work and talent.. they claim they must be being funded allowing them to give it away for free...

well if you believe in a cashless society why not lead by example,and get the ball rolling and prove to us a cashless society works:D

[thirdwave]

Not as much disinfo as the NWO lackeys on here :D:D

You need to start thinking for yourselves and stop jumping on band wagons,but maybe that's what you like oh and having the last word.

while you are correct... an opinion is not necessarily a bandwagon.

I agree that the VP is controversial and tricky subject...But it is also actually very interesting... and along with all criminal activities reviled in the film... it creates interest in the subject and we can hardly expect people to watch Z and close the brief case...

[thirdwave]

well if you believe in a cashless society why not lead by example,and get the ball rolling and prove to us a cashless society works:D

The only way to prove it would work would be to destroy all money... now, at first there would have to be dictators yes to lead it yes, which would be dodgy...it would be needed at least from the position we are in now anyway... but how would a an elite be able to trick and control the masses who know perfectly well that they would like to enslave them? with that kind of world if there were real options to create it, why would they want to create it while letting the masses know they have tricked and murdered them for years??

Which is what Z does IMO.

[mightiswrong]

I like the way he has now mentioned nature in his FAQ when the movie didn't mention food or nature once. Perhaps those enclosed cities will bring us closer to nature? I love the idea. Yeah. Enclosed tower blocks that appear out of nowhere. How amazing. The middle class bloke who doesn't believe in beliefs. it get's better and better.

[lightgiver]

The only way to prove it would work would be to destroy all money... now, at first there would have to be dictators yes to lead it yes, which would be dodgy...it would be needed at least from the position we are in now anyway... but how would a an elite be able to trick and control the masses who know perfectly well that they would like to enslave them? with that kind of world if there were real options to create it, why would they want to create it while letting the masses know they have tricked and murdered them for years??

Which is what Z does IMO.

I am not dismissing all of Zeitgeist,but parts are faulty.

Like I have said before its not money the problem its the greedy people who are the problem.

I make up my own mind and follow my own path,and this day and age one has to tread carefully.;)

and BTW we are already enslaved and all they(TPTB) would do is move the goalposts to suit themselves.

There are many other options than the Project Venus 1984 way.

[mightiswrong]

Come on it is classic disinfo. Mix a bit of truth with a load of hogwash. You guys must think we were born yesterday.

A little bit of sugar helps the medicine go down. The medicine go down. The medicine go down. A little bit of sugar.....

[thirdwave]

I like the way he has now mentioned nature in his FAQ when the movie didn't mention food or nature once.
that is what an FAQ is for, to answer many asked questions..

Perhaps those enclosed cities will bring us closer to nature? I love the idea. Yeah. Enclosed tower blocks that appear out of nowhere. How amazing. The middle class bloke who doesn't believe in beliefs. it get's better and better.


To be honest I find it odd how people seem to be defending the way of life we have now... its hidious... not everyone suffers but MANY do... poor people in this country have shit lives they are just made to get used to it... not to mention the poverty around the world... why would the VP full of aware people be any worse?

[thirdwave]

Come on it is classic disinfo. Mix a bit of truth with a load of hogwash. You guys must think we were born yesterday.

A little bit of sugar helps the medicine go down. The medicine go down. The medicine go down. A little bit of sugar.....

have you not noticed that every single person... EVERY SINGLE person in the movement is accused of that?

[mightiswrong]

To be honest I find it odd how people seem to be defending the way of life we have now... its hidious... not everyone suffers but MANY do... poor people in this country have shit lives they are just made to get used to it... not to mention the poverty around the world... why would the VP full of aware people be any worse?

Because all the aware people were getting led down the garden path by VP. Food gardens are ready and waiting to provide a solution that actually works right now.

[mightiswrong]

have you not noticed that every single person... EVERY SINGLE person in the movement is accused of that?
Probably because it's usually true.

[thirdwave]

Because all the aware people are getting lead down the garden path by VP. Food gardens are ready and waiting to provide a solution that actually works right now.

then quit your job and detach your self from society... as there is no other way...

they won this society because they built it..useing us... if they want to turn it into something else we either go along or we jump off and start from scratch...

you cant use there ball and tell them how to play...

what we can do is effect how WE are controlled and and what decisions we make...

the reason the elite have been dangerous is because they have been trusted and left un-exposed... now they are not.... the bottom line it will and always has come down to peoples morals.. and what they will except and not except.. VP wont change that.

[thirdwave]

Probably because it's usually true.

if that is true... then worry not, as we are all fucked anyway.

[mightiswrong]

then quit your job and detach your self from society... as there is no other way...

they won this society because they built it..useing us... if they want to turn it into something else we either go along or we jump off and start from scratch...

you cant use there ball and tell them how to play...

what we can do is effect how WE are controlled and and what decisions we make...

the reason the elite have been dangerous is because they have been trusted and left un-exposed... now they are not.... the bottom line it will and always has come down to peoples morals.. and what they will except and not except.. VP wont change that.

I don't see it like that. It is our society. We built it and we control it's future. What decisions we make is how we control our future. You seem to agree to an extent but are too worried about 'them'. It is just that technology is actually the problem rather than the solution. It is not 'their' ball. It is our ball and our ball has already given us everything we need. All the problems are caused by destructive thinking. Ideas like we need to harm people and ourselves inorder to live in a concrete box. The garden awaits. Can't you hear the singing?

[romas]

well if you believe in a cashless society why not lead by example,and get the ball rolling and prove to us a cashless society works:D

Yes insults are the last resort ,you and 3rd wave make an interesting team.

Zeitgeist is full of holes,but I can bet peter just loves Money and Power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcTu6WnQzlA

but because Zeitgeist tells you otherwise I suppose its fact.:rolleyes::rolleyes: a double roll of the cheap eyes.



So why don't you forgive me and turn the other cheek?

[romas]

It is just that technology is actually the problem rather than the solution. It is not 'their' ball. It is our ball and our ball has already given us everything we need. All the problems are caused by destructive thinking. Ideas like we need to harm people and ourselves inorder to live in a concrete box. The garden awaits. Can't you hear the singing?

Because all the aware people were getting led down the garden path by VP. Food gardens are ready and waiting to provide a solution that actually works right now.



And why do you keep using skynet where "robots" can track you down and cause "problems", instead of taking care of your singing gardens?

[lenejento]

Hmm, I haven't watched Zeitgeist 2, but watched Zeigeist 1. Zeitgeist 1 was even shown at the Student Union here in Trondheim, big sign to market it and all, bit strange.

I agree with endlessvista.

Anyway, what is so good and freeing in telling people that Jesus didn't exist ect? What will the religions be replaced with, atheism? Uniting the world under the religion of atheism would be perfect for tptb, there is no god, no mystery, you are only a insignificant part of nature and you, as the rest of humanity need to be perfected, to perfect humanity, we need leadership and technology, and all that drivel, perfect, isn't it?

[mightiswrong]

And why do you keep using skynet where "robots" can track you down and cause "problems", instead of taking care of your singing gardens?

We are turning all of the technocratic system to good use to reverse the damage. It is beginning to spin the otherway. I am making a personal sacrifice to excellerate the process because at this time I am drawn to do so.

[lenejento]

Hmm, I haven't watched Zeitgeist 2, but watched Zeigeist 1. Zeitgeist 1 was even shown at the Student Union here in Trondheim, big sign to market it and all, bit strange.

I agree with endlessvista.

Anyway, what is so good and freeing in telling people that Jesus didn't exist ect? What will the religions be replaced with, atheism? Uniting the world under the religion of atheism would be perfect for tptb, there is no god, no mystery, you are only a insignificant part of nature and you, as the rest of humanity need to be perfected, to perfect humanity, we need leadership and technology, and all that drivel, perfect, isn't it?

And I think new agism and atheism can go hand in hand. Science could come along and prove many new age beliefs and atheists and new agists could come together, many good things might come of this science. But both atheism and new agism teach you that you are a body, spiritbody or physical, same same, limited, not real freedom, and that you need to be perfected, through technology or chakra healing etc, and the new government would "help" us here.

Science would never be able to prove you are what you really are, because you are an eternal mystery.

[romas]

We are turning all of the technocratic system to good use to reverse the damage. It is beginning to spin the otherway. I am making a personal sacrifice to excellerate the process because at this time I am drawn to do so.



Ah so it's possible to use "technocratic system" for good cause, good to know ;)

[endlessvista]

Venus Project = Habitrail and Pet Living for People. How else would the Illuminati want to contain us... Think about it.



http://sedaqa.com/alt_gestalt/images/fresco/1086639351.jpg

http://architektonika.ru/uploads/posts/venus_project.jpg

http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pPETS-3765587t400.jpg



http://populuxebooks.com/blog/media/habitrail.jpg


http://www.7gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/215.jpg


http://www.khanhdom.com/images/site_khanhdom/habitrail1.jpg


Venus Project
http://www.worldtrans.org/venus/cityscape.gif


Epoct Center at Disneyworld
http://www.flyingjim.com/images/Epcot_Center.jpg


PLEASE WAKE UP

[mightiswrong]

Ah so it's possible to use "technocratic system" for good cause, good to know ;)

Yes to wipe it out. It has actually already happened but it will take some time to completely disintegrate.

[endlessvista]

Both Al Gore and Evlyn de Rothschild have endorsed the Venus Project.

They'll will be lving in luxury floating penthouses while the majority of us will be fertiliser for the organic seeds they'll have exclusive access to from the Norweigian Seed Bank they built for themselves.

The only thing that makes the Venus Project sustainable is if the Illuminati kill off 80% of the world population.

[mightiswrong]

Not true the venus project does not exist.

[endlessvista]

Previous Venus Project trials.

This as Albert Speer's idea for sustainable living:

http://www.andylogam.com/Pictures/Maps/map_hitlersberlin.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sGYULzoQCgA/RrKaBPkKlOI/AAAAAAAAA7w/zO5dnTborOQ/s1600/1941%2BNazi%2BPoster%2Bfull%2Bpaleo-future.jpg


HAS IT STATED SINKING INTO SOME OF YOUR HEADS YET

[endlessvista]

Not true the venus project does not exist.

and with any luck will never be built either.

[romas]

That looks more like capitol hill, harvard university, white house, arch de trion and maybe there is pentagon at the end there, can't see any venus project mouse tubes there lmao