Science of contrails / chemtrails

[armchair philosopher]

I finally got round to checking this out today. I've been very suspicious of these large trails in the sky for some time, but I always wondered if genuine vapour trails could ever cause this.

I'd like to direct you guys to these pages:

http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/science.html
http://contrailscience.com/
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread412301/pg1

...all of which seem to suggest that, indeed, regular vapour trails may be the culprit.

However, I remain open-minded as with anything else. The biggest find for me that suggests that the PTB would do this is this article from the Guardian, relating to secret biological tests performed by the Government between the 40s and 70s.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

However, I find it most likely that if this kind of thing is still going on, it won't be visible to the naked eye. Or, at the very least, they mix them with regular contrails that we have no reason to believe are anything more than that: regular contrails.

Feel free to discuss.

[beldazar]

Why dont you go take a look at the abundance of chemtrail threads on this forum and ask your self why they leave strange patterns in the sky over areas where there isnt even a flight path?
Do you think they wouldnt attempt to debunk them? :rolleyes:

sorry for being sarcastic but, how long have you been on this forum?

[armchair philosopher]

Absolutely, of course they'd try to debunk them, and I'm completely open to the possibility that there may well be something going on. I live near one airport and work near another so it's hard for me to say where they appear, but I have witnessed with my own eyes only today that the wind can blow them a fair distance without their form being disturbed in any way.

I'm not looking to prove one point or another, merely trying to have a logical discussion.

[beldazar]

Yeah sorry about that last night. I get a little bit fed up with people who dont think that something is very much amiss. I wasnt feeling very tolerant towards you :o
Ive had plenty of discussions with people who dont 'believe in them', I didnt fancy doing it again.

I dont live near a flight path and Ive seen the planes stop spraying, do a 'u' turn, and start spraying again. Ive seen two planes fly in unison, both at the same altitude, one spraying, one not.

As I said to my young son not too long ago, a real contrail, looking from down here, is about one or two inches long, looks like steam and not smoke and stays the same length as the plane flys along.

I suppse I have the opportunity to look up quite often.

where I live, we would only get about one plane fly over once a month. Last year I sat in the garden watching the sky and no fewer than 42 planes flew from 8.15 to 1.30 in the afternoon! I recorded it on a piece of paper. I doubt these were individual planes though, more likely they were turning around

Keep looking up, they like to draw patterns, a grid, pyramid and 'x',c are very common, do you really think they are following a flight path?

Ive also read what 'The Real Jazzroc' has had to say, the top debunker, he likes to blind people with science and big words, he was a member here til he got banned....

[cluas]

try looking at THIS (http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies)

:eek:

[anthony65]

Please look at this thread posted by Wazaap who was posing as a chemtrails skeptic. I didn't know this at the time...

Check the information posted here and let us know if you are still unsure...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58887

[armchair philosopher]

I don't think any of this counts as solid evidence, but it's certainly a reason to be vigilant.

I have grown increasingly frustrated with people I talk to who are not even willing to contemplate the idea that it MIGHT be something dodgy. The main reason for that being that I can't say what it is... only that it's clearly not normal.

People are so clearly brainwashed into only believing what is put in front of them on a nice, easy plate. In a sense I can't blame them, but it's frustrating.

There needs to be some proper research into this, but who would carry it out, and why should anyone believe the results?

[stompk]

If you listen to the debunkers, they use the Appleman chart to predict the atmospheric conditions that are ripe for producing contrails

The Appleman suggests a plane flying at 30,000ft(300hpa) would need the temperature at least -45F and a Relative Humidity of 65%

So, one can go to this website: http://weather.uwyo.edu/upperair/naconf.html

and get a sounding. I did it for Denver, as that is closest to where I live

Hpa Height Temp Dwpt RH%
324.0 8698 -39.9 -52.9 24 0.09 238 75 321.9 322.2 321.9
303.4 9144 -43.7 -60.9 13 0.03 235 85 322.7 322.8 322.7
300.0 9220 -44.3 -62.3 12 0.03 235 86 322.8 322.9 322.8
291.0 9424 -45.7 -64.7 10 0.02 235 89 323.6 323.7 323.6
289.9 9449 -45.9 -64.8 10 0.02 235 89 323.7 323.8 323.7
250.0 10420 -53.5 -69.5 12 0.01 240 89 326.4 326.5 326.4

As you can see, the temp is cold enough, but the RH% is not even close to contrail formation.
The truth is, it hardly ever is. I challenge you to do a sounding above your sky and read the science
for yourself.

You will find that about 1 in 10000 flights MAY produce a contrail, let alone persistent contrails.

Believe me, they are using chemicals.

[fuzzylogic]

http://weather.uwyo.edu/upperair/columns.html

PRES: Atmospheric Pressure [hPa]

So how can 300hPa = 30,000ft?

[oiram]

The Government Is Already “Geo-Engineering” The Environment


Posted on 08 April 2009 by Congress Check

The Associated Press reports that Obama administration is considering radical terra forming programs to stop “global warming,” but universities and government agencies are already doing it, while mass aerosol spraying campaigns have been ongoing for over a decade through the use of chemtrails

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, April 8, 2009

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/april2009/080409top2.jpg


The Associated Press reports today that the Obama administration has held discussions regarding the possibility of “geo-engineering” the earth’s climate to counter global warming by “shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays.” However, such programs are already being conducted by government-affiliated universities, government agencies, and on a mass scale through chemtrail spraying.

The AP report states that Obama’s science advisor John Holdren is pushing for radical terra forming programs to be explored such as creating an “artificial volcano”. Despite Holdren’s admission that such measures could have “grave side effects,” he added that, “we might get desperate enough to want to use it.”

“Holdren, a 65-year-old physicist, is far from alone in taking geoengineering more seriously. The National Academy of Science is making climate tinkering the subject of its first workshop in its new multidiscipline climate challenges program. The British parliament has also discussed the idea,” reports AP.



“The American Meteorological Society is crafting a policy statement on geoengineering that says “it is prudent to consider geoengineering’s potential, to understand its limits and to avoid rash deployment.”

However, a study of past and ongoing upper atmosphere aerosol programs confirms that the government has been active in this field for years.

The Atmospheric Radiation Measurement (ARM) Program was created in 1989 with funding from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and is sponsored by the DOE’s Office of Science and managed by the Office of Biological and Environmental Research.

One of ARM’s programs, entitled Indirect and Semi-Direct Aerosol Campaign (ISDAC), is aimed at measuring “cloud simulations” and “aerosol retrievals”.

Another program under the Department of Energy’s Atmospheric Science Program is directed towards, “developing comprehensive understanding of the atmospheric processes that control the transport, transformation, and fate of energy related trace chemicals and particulate matter.”

The DOE website states that, “The current focus of the program is aerosol radiative forcing of climate: aerosol formation and evolution and aerosol properties that affect direct and indirect influences on climate and climate change.”

U.S. government scientists are already bombarding the skies with the acid-rain causing pollutant sulphur dioxide in an attempt to fight global warming by “geo-engineering” the planet, despite the fact that injecting aerosols into the upper atmosphere carries with it a host of both known and unknown dangers.

The proposal to disperse sulphur dioxide in an attempt to reflect sunlight was discussed in a September 2008 London Guardian article entitled, Geoengineering: The radical ideas to combat global warming, in which Ken Caldeira, a leading climate scientist based at the Carnegie Institution in Stanford, California, promoted the idea of injecting the atmosphere with aerosols.

“One approach is to insert “scatterers” into the stratosphere,” states the article. “Caldeira cites an idea to deploy jumbo jets into the upper atmosphere and deposit clouds of tiny particles there, such as sulphur dioxide. Dispersing around 1m tonnes of sulphur dioxide per year across 10m square kilometres of the atmosphere would be enough to reflect away sufficient amounts of sunlight.”

Experiments similar to Caldeira’s proposal are already being carried out by U.S. government -backed scientists, such as those at the U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) Savannah River National Laboratory in Aiken, S.C, who last year began conducting studies which involved shooting huge amounts of particulate matter, in this case “porous-walled glass microspheres,” into the stratosphere.

The project is closely tied to an idea by Nobel Prize winner Paul Crutzen, who “proposed sending aircraft 747s to dump huge quantities of sulfur particles into the far-reaches of the stratosphere to cool down the atmosphere.”

Such programs merely scratch the surface of what is likely to be a gargantuan and overarching black-budget funded project to geo-engineer the planet, with little or no care for the unknown environmental consequences this could engender.

What is known about what happens when the environment is loaded with sulphur dioxide is bad enough, since the compound is the main component of acid rain, which according to the EPA “Causes acidification of lakes and streams and contributes to the damage of trees at high elevations (for example, red spruce trees above 2,000 feet) and many sensitive forest soils. In addition, acid rain accelerates the decay of building materials and paints, including irreplaceable buildings, statues, and sculptures that are part of our nation’s cultural heritage.”

The health effects of bombarding the skies with sulphur dioxide alone are enough to raise serious questions about whether such programs should even be allowed to proceed.

The following health effects are linked with exposure to sulphur.

- Neurological effects and behavioral changes
- Disturbance of blood circulation
- Heart damage
- Effects on eyes and eyesight
- Reproductive failure
- Damage to immune systems
- Stomach and gastrointestinal disorder
- Damage to liver and kidney functions
- Hearing defects
- Disturbance of the hormonal metabolism
- Dermatological effects
- Suffocation and lung embolism

According to the LennTech website, “Laboratory tests with test animals have indicated that sulfur can cause serious vascular damage in veins of the brains, the heart and the kidneys. These tests have also indicated that certain forms of sulfur can cause foetal damage and congenital effects. Mothers can even carry sulfur poisoning over to their children through mother milk. Finally, sulfur can damage the internal enzyme systems of animals.”

Fred Singer, president of the Science Environmental Policy Project and a skeptic of man-made global warming theories, warns that the consequences of tinkering with the planet’s delicate eco-system could have far-reaching dangers.

“If you do this on a continuous basis, you would depress the ozone layer and cause all kinds of other problems that people would rather avoid,” said Singer.

Even Greenpeace’s chief UK scientist - a staunch advocate of the man-made global warming explanation - Doug Parr has slammed attempts to geo-engineer the planet as “outlandish” and “dangerous”.

Stephen Schneider of Stanford University, who recently proposed a bizarre plan to send spaceships into the upper atmosphere that would be used to block out the Sun, admits that geo-engineering could cause “conflicts between nations if geoengineering projects go wrong.”

Given all the immediate dangers associated with bombarding the atmosphere with sulphur dioxide, along with the unknown dangers of other geo-engineering projects, many people are concerned that “chemtrails” are a secret component of the same agenda to alter the Earth’s eco-system.


http://freespeech.vo.llnwd.net/o25/pub/pp/images/september2008/050908geo2.jpg

This graphic proposes, “Spraying aluminum powder and barium oxide into high levels of the atmosphere, again delivered by aircraft, to increase planetary reflectance (albedo) and cloud cover.” High levels of barium have been found in substances associated with chemtrails.

Reports of chemtrails, jet plumes emitted from planes that hang in the air for hours and do not dissipate, often blanketing the sky in criss-cross patterns, have increased dramatically over the last 10 years. Many have speculated that they are part of a government program to alter climate, inoculate humans against certain pathogens, or even to toxify humans as part of a population reduction agenda.

In conducting Google searches, one finds discussion, such as this example, of using sulphur dioxide as a jet fuel additive to be dispersed over the world during routine commercial flights.

“I suggest that both the sulphur dioxide and the silica particles could be delivered into the stratosphere by dissolving an additive in jet aviation fuel,” writes engineer John Gorman, who has conducted experiments to test the feasibility of such a scenario.

“We would want to burn fuel containing the additive specifically when the aircraft was cruising in the lower stratosphere,” he adds.

Earlier this year, KSLA news investigation found that a substance that fell to earth from a high altitude chemtrail contained high levels of Barium (6.8 ppm) and Lead (8.2 ppm) as well as trace amounts of other chemicals including arsenic, chromium, cadmium, selenium and silver. Of these, all but one are metals, some are toxic while several are rarely or never found in nature.

The newscast focuses on Barium, which its research shows is a “hallmark of chemtrails.” KSLA found Barium levels in its samples at 6.8 ppm or “more than six times the toxic level set by the EPA.” The Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality confirmed that the high levels of Barium were “very unusual,” but commented that “proving the source was a whole other matter” in its discussion with KSLA.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

KSLA also asked Mark Ryan, Director of the Poison Control Center, about the effects of Barium on the human body. Ryan commented that “short term exposure can lead to anything from stomach to chest pains and that long term exposure causes blood pressure problems.” The Poison Control Center further reported that long-term exposure, as with any harmful substance, would contribute to weakening the immune system, which many speculate is the purpose of such man-made chemical trails.

Indeed, barium oxide has cropped up repeatedly as a contaminant from suspected geoengineering experimentation.

KSLA also put aerosolized-chemical testing in its historical context, citing a voluminous number of unclassified tests exposed in 1977 Senate hearings. The tests included experimenting with biochemical compounds on the public. KSLA reports that “239 populated areas were contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969.”

One of the accepted truisms of scientific study is the fact that if scientists are proposing an idea, then those scientists with access to the bottomless pit of black-budget secret government funding are already doing it.

It is highly likely that chemtrails are merely one manifestation of “geo-engineering” that is taking place without proper debate, notification or any form of legality, and with a callous disregard for the potential dangers to both our health and our environment.

http://www.congresscheck.com/tag/chem-trails/


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[oiram]

Arrogant scientists and Obama administration should recall the story of the old lady who swallowed a fly.

by qbit on Apr.08, 2009, under In the News

I have a better idea, you pea-brained, arrogant pieces of crap:

Instead of spewing more pollution into the atmosphere (which they’re already doing anyway with the barium jet fuel additive), we should invest the money in alternative energy production and/or install better scrubbers on all coal/gas smokestacks.  It would be orders of magnitude more efficient to catch the pollution at the source rather than to try to sequester it from the atmosphere once its already been released and dispersed.  Keep in mind, co2 is a fraciton of 1% of our atmosphere!

We have reason to believe the metal chemtrail aerosol dispersal is part of a surveillance operation, and global warming is just the cover story.

There’s snow on the ground right now outside my office, and its April.  Sorry, people, but I have my suspicons about the veracity of anthropogenic global warming.

Regardless the aerosol dispersal is a terrible idea and it needs to stop.

. . .

WASHINGTON (AP) — Obama looks at “climate engineering”

The president’s new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth’s air.

John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

“It’s got to be looked at,” he said. “We don’t have the luxury of taking any approach off the table.”

Holdren outlined several “tipping points” involving global warming that could be fast approaching. Once such milestones are reached, such as complete loss of summer sea ice in the Arctic, it increases chances of “really intolerable consequences,” he said.

Twice in a half-hour interview, Holdren compared global warming to being “in a car with bad brakes driving toward a cliff in the fog.”

At first, Holdren characterized the potential need to technologically tinker with the climate as just his personal view. However, he went on to say he has raised it in administration discussions.

Holdren, a 65-year-old physicist, is far from alone in taking geoengineering more seriously. The National Academy of Science is making climate tinkering the subject of its first workshop in its new multidiscipline climate challenges program. The British parliament has also discussed the idea.

The American Meteorological Society is crafting a policy statement on geoengineering that says “it is prudent to consider geoengineering’s potential, to understand its limits and to avoid rash deployment.”

Last week, Princeton scientist Robert Socolow told the National Academy that geoengineering should be an available option in case climate worsens dramatically.

But Holdren noted that shooting particles into the air — making an artificial volcano as one Nobel laureate has suggested — could have grave side effects and would not completely solve all the problems from soaring greenhouse gas emissions. So such actions could not be taken lightly, he said.

Still, “we might get desperate enough to want to use it,” he added.

Another geoengineering option he mentioned was the use of so-called artificial trees to suck carbon dioxide — the chief human-caused greenhouse gas — out of the air and store it. At first that seemed prohibitively expensive, but a re-examination of the approach shows it might be less costly, he said.

http://chemtrails.cc/


HAARP and metal aerosol

by qbit on Mar.13, 2009, under Satellite Imagery, Surveillance, What are they?

Video exerpt from Clifford Carnicom explores the connection between HAARP and metal aerosol from chemtrails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-7ctrHJvw


Chemtrails Data Page Repost


Posted on August 8, 2007 by zandocomm

Chemtrails - Frequently Asked Questions

Chemtrail links to various sitesAerosol Attack - Vid
Chemtrail Activist In Lompoc, CA - Vid
Stop Spraying Us - Vid
Chemtrails - Secret Agenda Of Weather Manipulation
Aerosol Asymmetry - Core Tracks & Pulse Observations
The Unified Atmospheric Preservation Act
The Methodic Demise Of Natural Earth - Dr. R. Michael Castle
Chemtrails In Disney Movie CARS
Strange Days Strange Skies
Aerosol Operation Crimes & Coverup
Chemtrail Central
WeatherWars
Chemtrails Spraying Electromagnetic Fake Clouds Aerosol Fibers
Radar Matrix
Chemtrail Yahoo Group
Partial History Aerosol/Weather Technologies

http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/chemtrails-data-page-repost/


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[oiram]

AP Newsbreak: Obama looks at climate engineering
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97ECHLG1&show_article=1


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The Christian Science Monitor   Apr 8, 10:41 AM EDT
Obama looking at cooling air to fight warming

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The president's new science adviser said
that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is
discussing drastic options to cool Earth's air.

John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview
since being confirmed last month that the idea of
geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such
extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the
upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such
an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

As he put it: "It's got to be looked at. We don't have the
luxury of taking any approach off the table."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/browse_thread/thread/45f8b2d70e4597ff/c5ad43dc6abbbd4a?lnk=raot


suddenly a meteorogical radar registers the presence of a cloud — but it’s not clear how did this happen? The answer seems to be that this was the result of a military experiment. What are these misterious trails and what is their purpose? We will try to find out…

The military planes of the German Federal Army are manipulating our climate; this is what the weather researchers are presuming and their suspicions are confirmed.

Sinister clouds, up to 350 km long, appear all of a sudden on the radar, but only on the meteorogical radars. The first time it happened was in the summer of 2005. and then in March of 2006. The german army has admitted having war exercises towards the borders with the Netherlands.

For Karsten Brandt, meteorologist, this is the answer to the enigma:

KARSTEN BRANDT — THE FEDERAL ARMY IS MANIPULATING THE METEOROGICAL MAPS

We can state with a 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised by fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals.

This is their main purpose, but I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispearsed elements — although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful.

- The registers report emissions of chemtrails at low altitudes… —

In the United States of America there are protest after protest for many years now, against these military operations and now people are mobilising in Germany as well. Per example JOHANNES REMMEL of the Greens.

It’s obvious that enormous regions are being poluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population.

Yet the story continues: in the following three weeks the instruments register other activities of suspicious aircrafts, similar to the previously mentioned, above other areas of Germany. Meanwhile the sattelite imagery is clearly counterfited by the military.

From our observations we can conclude that they fly over the regions of Westfalia, Bielefeld, the Ruhr zone to Saxony and Hamburg, forming a really dense layer of artificial cloud-cover.

WEATHER MANIPULATION IS PROHIBITED

After the first discovery Karsten Brandt has filed a legal charge against unknowns for weather manipulation, based on his careful verifications and data gathered by radar through which he documented every anomalous cloud formation.
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Thanks to CowboyBebop2012 for english translation.
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www.chemtrails-cro.info (http://www.chemtrails-cro.info)

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http://ddayforamerica.com/WordPress/2008/03/18/german-chemtrails-confirmed/

[oiram]

Obama May Block Sun's Rays to End Global Warminghttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513242,00.html


Obama May Block Sun's Rays to End Global Warming
Wednesday, April 08, 2009


WASHINGTON — The president's new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.

John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed.

One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

"It's got to be looked at," he said. "We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table."


Holdren outlined several "tipping points" involving global warming that could be fast approaching.

Once such milestones are reached, such as complete loss of summer sea ice in the Arctic, it increases chances of "really intolerable consequences," he said.

Twice in a half-hour interview, Holdren compared global warming to being "in a car with bad brakes driving toward a cliff in the fog."

At first, Holdren characterized the potential need to technologically tinker with the climate as just his personal view. However, he went on to say he has raised it in administration discussions.

Holdren, a 65-year-old physicist, is far from alone in taking geoengineering more seriously.

The National Academy of Science is making climate tinkering the subject of its first workshop in its new multidiscipline climate challenges program.

The British parliament has also discussed the idea.

The American Meteorological Society is crafting a policy statement on geoengineering that says "it is prudent to consider geoengineering's potential, to understand its limits and to avoid rash deployment."

Last week, Princeton scientist Robert Socolow told the National Academy that geoengineering should be an available option in case climate worsens dramatically.

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But Holdren noted that shooting particles into the air — making an artificial volcano as one Nobel laureate has suggested — could have grave side effects and would not completely solve all the problems from soaring greenhouse gas emissions.

So such actions could not be taken lightly, he said.

Still, "we might get desperate enough to want to use it," he added.

Another geoengineering option he mentioned was the use of so-called artificial trees to suck carbon dioxide — the chief human-caused greenhouse gas — out of the air and store it.

At first that seemed prohibitively expensive, but a re-examination of the approach shows it might be less costly, he said.