Zeitgeist

[holly_ocean]

Anyone seen this?:
www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

[tickles]

Yeah i watched it a couple of days ago and was blown away with it. Its a great movie and would recommend it to everyone to check it out.

What did you think of it?

[tickles]

Cool website you have their too Holley_ocean.

[tickles]

Well i see you've reviewed it on your website but you can still tell others here :D

[stikmata]

i thinik anybody enjoying that would also enjoy this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4555365073003895154&q=pharmacratic+inquisition&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


more info on Astrotheolgy... and some other good stuffs too.

[holly_ocean]

thanks Tickles
and
well, although maybe i though i knew the info in this movie it was presented in a way that cleared my mind in a new way, i was left feeling so much clearer and freer than before, also inspired - there was something new here, some new understanding or clarity in presenting it especially at the end
i would recommend it to anyone.

[f3zza]

Yes i have seen this a few times now.

Two of my "don't do conspiracy" friends watched it with me and i think we have to new awakenings on our hands lol

Made them really question things they never had before and made them realised how manipulated our society really is.

It's excellently presented and they also provide clarifications on their website where they have been mis-quotations within the movie.

I'd highly recommend that you get the movie "Network" which is featured in Zeitgeist.

[holly_ocean]

yeah that's it it could turn people on who have been turned off by the energetics of a lot of 'conspiracy' stuff.

[1 2 free]

It seems to have been updated since I last saw it. I wish they'd kept the old intro although it need some visuals with it. Gives me an excuse to watch it again though. Oh well!! :D

[lookfar]

Just finished watching & thought it was a great vid:) Have passed it onto a couple of mates who are not fully awake to this stuff yet!!:cool:

[stomph]

i thinik anybody enjoying that would also enjoy this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4555365073003895154&q=pharmacratic+inquisition&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


more info on Astrotheolgy... and some other good stuffs too.

Three thumbs up! Thank you!!:):):)

[peter19]

is it the one were they say christianty and other religions is sort of worship of the sun and stuff in part one and im onto part too were they talk about 9-11, if thats the one its a good doc.

[lookfar]

is it the one were they say christianty and other religions is sort of worship of the sun and stuff in part one and im onto part too were they talk about 9-11, if thats the one its a good doc.

Yep that's the one :)

[Anders Lindman]

i thinik anybody enjoying that would also enjoy this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4555365073003895154&q=pharmacratic+inquisition&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


more info on Astrotheolgy... and some other good stuffs too.

Hmm... The red mushroom with white spots is very common in Sweden and is called 'flugsvamp'. As children we are told that these mushrooms are deadly poisonous, and it is also said that Vikings ate these mushrooms to go berserk. In the autumn you can go into any forest in Sweden and pick those mushrooms.

[sensimillia]

As children we are told that these mushrooms are deadly poisonous

guess why? ;)

[parel]

Hmm... The red mushroom with white spots is very common in Sweden and is called 'flugsvamp'. As children we are told that these mushrooms are deadly poisonous, and it is also said that Vikings ate these mushrooms to go berserk. In the autumn you can go into any forest in Sweden and pick those mushrooms.

berserk warriors

[Anders Lindman]

guess why? ;)

Yeah, if the authority told it was illegal to pick and eat those mushrooms, then the police would have a hell of a job trying to stop people from doing that. lol. Not only in Sweden. Those mushrooms probably grow in profusion all around the world! :D

[Anders Lindman]

Amanita muscaria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Would be legal for me to sell mushrooms of this kind on the Internet? Not that I have any plans to do so, but I'm just curious to know if that is legal.

[baron von lotsov]

yeah that's it it could turn people on who have been turned off by the energetics of a lot of 'conspiracy' stuff.

No, it will mislead people into system agendas. You are too gullible.

[reptileslayer]

Yes i have seen this a few times now.

Two of my "don't do conspiracy" friends watched it with me and i think we have to new awakenings on our hands lol

Made them really question things they never had before and made them realised how manipulated our society really is.

It's excellently presented and they also provide clarifications on their website where they have been mis-quotations within the movie.

I'd highly recommend that you get the movie "Network" which is featured in Zeitgeist.I like the Bealle qote f3zza. please take a look at my post is icke shirking his responsibility, (i will add to that now are most people doing that)

[john white]

No, it will mislead people into system agendas. You are too gullible.

LOL! Did you watch it?

[Anders Lindman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

Would be legal for me to sell mushrooms of this kind on the Internet? Not that I have any plans to do so, but I'm just curious to know if that is legal.

I found on the web that those mushrooms are classified as narcotics since 1999 in Sweden. This means that it's illegal to sell and even eat them (at least in Sweden).

[lookfar]

LOL! Did you watch it?

Er doesn't sound like it does it?!!:rolleyes:

[holly_ocean]

No, it will mislead people into system agendas. You are too gullible.

according to baron von i read Cosmopolitan so he ain't exactly psychic....

lol

[baron von lotsov]

according to baron von i read Cosmopolitan so he ain't exactly psychic....

lol


Well the problem is that when I put up a thread about anything that you lot don't have a standard response to, it gets ignored. I have tried a couple of threads today, one of which should show you what is going on. Unfortunately it is not trendy what I have to say. The truths about this conspiracy might bore the pants off you because it would seem to be difficult to understand, often very academic and complicated and also subtle in places. The elite are very sophisticated and your level of academic ability has been purposefully dumbed down using outcome-based education on you since you were a toddler.

My life was different, I didn't just reject school like most of the losers on here did but I substituted it with my own education. I did some very difficult stuff, even as a kid, and this helped me to avoid 90% of the traps. This is why I don't follow the sheep; I never have done in my life. At school often the entire class would be told to do something that was bad for them and I was the only one brave enough to reject it and argue with the teacher about it.

All that is going on now is the elite are redirecting you to another type of brainwashing. You don't have a hope in hell of understanding why, you don't even try. You think people who reject the consensus are wrong. You are in a trap! The normal response is to crack a joke to avoid that unpleasant truth. Come on I'm waiting for a joke or some one-liner dismissal of what I have just said.

[lookfar]

All that is going on now is the elite are redirecting you to another type of brainwashing. You don't have a hope in hell of understanding why, you don't even try. You think people who reject the consensus are wrong. You are in a trap! The normal response is to crack a joke to avoid that unpleasant truth. Come on I'm waiting for a joke or some one-liner dismissal of what I have just said.

Hey baron

Sorry to ruin your assumptions, but I'm not gonna "crack a joke":rolleyes: But I do find it interesting that you can assume stuff about people you don't even know here, that seems a bit hasty to me!!

& did you actually watch the Zeitgeist vid, which is the topic of this thread?

[baron von lotsov]

Hey baron

Sorry to ruin your assumptions, but I'm not gonna "crack a joke":rolleyes: But I do find it interesting that you can assume stuff about people you don't even know here, that seems a bit hasty to me!!

& did you actually watch the Zeitgeist vid, which is the topic of this thread?


I wasn't talking to you, but I agree it is sort of referring to a wider audience as well as who it was directed at. If someone is on the ball I can usually spot it within a few posts. E.g. King, he knows what he is talking about but is very much in the minority on here, like myself. Tis a lonely world and can be quite frustrating. Gordon Brown's has pushed Nu Labour 7 points ahead of the Tories as well. You'd think the idiots would learn but how many years did it take the USSR to say enough is enough.

[cleft_asunder]

Ain't that Jordan Maxwell in the beginning?

[klinker]

I wasn't talking to you, but I agree it is sort of referring to a wider audience as well as who it was directed at. If someone is on the ball I can usually spot it within a few posts. E.g. King, he knows what he is talking about but is very much in the minority on here, like myself. Tis a lonely world and can be quite frustrating. Gordon Brown's has pushed Nu Labour 7 points ahead of the Tories as well. You'd think the idiots would learn but how many years did it take the USSR to say enough is enough.

I have to comment. Do you honestly believe you know what you are talking about? From what I have seen from your posts you are either genuinely confused or deliberately talk nonsense.

[baron von lotsov]

I have to comment. Do you honestly believe you know what you are talking about? From what I have seen from your posts you are either genuinely confused or deliberately talk nonsense.


You would not know truth if it hit you in the face. Like so many, your mind is full of just general chitchat bollox. Let me know when you have an interest in what this forum is about and then I'll take you seriously.



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=123680

[klinker]

You would not know truth if it hit you in the face. Like so many, your mind is full of just general chitchat bollox. Let me know when you have an interest in what this forum is about and then I'll take you seriously.



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=123680

Ok fella. Likewise I'm sure.

Oh I forgot. Please do tell me what this forum is about?

[cruise4]

Came across a reference to this post on the http://www.nineeleven.co.uk site and thought it worth posting here. I haven't checked any of the info but always worth seeing other opinion:

Originally Posted by OperaPhantom91
I hate to ruin the fun for you all, but the guy has most of his facts wrong.

Zeitgeist is based off of the historical works of Acharya S – pen name for D. Murdock. When I read her works she used vulgar language and wrote in such a way that many historians have ostracized her. Many Christians have pointed out the fallacies of her work.

This movie is largely based upon her book “The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Told” and “Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha, and Christ Unveiled”. Her work is often criticized as ‘twisting the truth’, ‘misleading’, ‘made-up’, ‘over-exaggerated’, ‘bias…without contempt for historical accuracy’, ‘a spit in the face to modern history’ and so on. (I will try to find those articles for you guys.)

To start with, I will point out the fallacies in the movie:
Horus was the SKY GOD in Egyptian mythology, NOT the SUN GOD. Ra was the sun god. Horus means "Falcon". Eventually, yes, Horus did become associated with the Sun through his eyes. One eye was the sun, the other the moon - so he was not conquered by Set at night.
None of those were born of a virgin birth:
Horus was the son of Osiris (a male god of the underworld) and Isis (a female god). As time progresses we see that the Hellenic Greeks got Horus confused with Osiris, which would make Horus his own father... still not a virgin birth, as there was a father - himself, according to Greeks.
Attis was the son of Cybele... well he sort of had a virgin birth - His mother was impregnated by a tree that was inseminated by a creature called Agdistis who was the son of the mountain which was inseminated by Zeus. Kinda not really a virgin birth.
Krishna was the eighth son born to the princess Devaki, and her husband Vasudeva, born on July 19th 3228 BC
Dionysus' mother was a mortal Semele and his father was the god Zeus. Zeus had intercourse with his mother - so sorry, not a virgin.
Mithra was born from a rock... I guess that's a virgin...? Kind of a stretch there, ya think?
In fact, most 'virgin births' in mythology were things like "coming from the semen of poseidon and the sea" or "coming from Zeus' head" or a rock, like Mithra!
It should be noted that the Romans invented Crucifixion, it did not exist prior the later half of the first millennium BC
Historically speaking, Mithraism was actually influenced by Christianity - though it can be traced to 2000 years before Christ, we do not start seeing parallels to Christianity until the second century AD, 200 years after the birth of Christianity, and 120 years after the last New Testament document was written.
Though traditionally Jesus is said to have been born on Dec. 25th, it is actually believed he was born in August. It is well known facts that Christians celebrated His birth on Dec. 25th to purposely compete with the Pagan faiths.
As for them all being dead for 3 days and resurrecting - I've found no evidence of this from a reliable source.
The "Three Kings" in Orion’s Belt did not appear until the Middle Ages, long after the appearance of Christianity - Scientists have yet to confirm what the Magi saw that brought them to Bethlehem, all we know is that there was Zoroastrian prophecy saying that a 'star' would appear in the 'West' and lead them to the King of Israel, and savior of mankind.
Notice, the documentary claims that a star in the 'East' - Sirius - aligns with Orion’s belt and becomes brighter...
The Three Wise Men or Kings specifically came from the East, traveling WEST to Bethlehem. Why would they follow an eastern star to go west if they're coming from the East? Furthermore, Jesus was born in the West of the three kings and not the East.
The "M" argument is just plain stupid! What are the Greeks and Chinese/Indians doing using Latin glyphs and Roman mythology and astrology? (many Greek myths were modified by the Romans)
The solstice bit shows a misunderstanding of the sun's movement. The Solstice does not always occur on the 21st, it can occur between the 21st and 23rd. The sun does not just sit idly by for 3 days, waiting for us to make legends about it. It will appear to rise the following day.
The astrology account is not very reliable. According to most astrologists, the age of Pisces began 200 years before Christ, and ended in the year 2000. It’s still rather confusing, and I don’t think they know what age we’re in now, but most sources agree that Pisces started hundreds of years before the birth of Christ. So sorry, close but no cigar.
It should also be noted that Hebrew culture did not embrace the Zodiac, and that Moses never used a ram’s horn – that was mentioned once in the Old testament to signify the coming of the Egyptians. It should be noted that the Gregorian calendar (which our modern day one is largely based on) and Jewish calendar do not follow the Zodiac in anyway shape and or form, and that the Zodiac is not a Jewish symbol, and to Christians, has always been regarded as pagan.
The Symbols of Jesus coming from the Zodiac, while an impressive find, are not really based off the Zodiac. He uses one Zodiac illustration throughout the documentary; it should be noted that not all, in fact, most did not have the axis. The circular symbol around the center of the cross is a simplification of statues which show a halo/crown of thorns around Christ:
I’ve tried looking up this “Nemo” from Babylon – I’ve found no mention outside of a very bias archaeological report (by Murdock). In fact, Manou is the only one I’ve found, and he was an Indian law god around 1000 BC, 1000 years after Moses. Minos was king of Crete, who supposedly got laws from Zeus to impose on his subjects every 9 years. As for Mises… once again, nothing.
In fact, the only mention of ‘nemo’ in a lawgiver sense outside of sources based off of this documentary is in the Latin Vulgate Bible, the Book of John, chapter 7, verse 19:
“Nonne Moses dedit vobis legem et nemo ex vobis facit legem”
Translates:
Did not Moses give you the Law, and [yet] none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?
“Nemo” translates to “none”. This is the only mention of Nemo coming close to a lawgiver outside of the research in Zeitgeist.
In Zeitgeist, the narrator claims that there is no historical proof for Christ, and gives 40 historians who he says do not mention Christ.
Josephus does mention Jesus Christ.
So does Pliny the Younger and
Tacitus, and I think
Tiberius does too.
His claim of Christ being the sun god of Gnostics is rather an idiotic claim
The Gnostics believed Christ similarly to the same way Christians do now – except they believe he was a man, had babies, etc, and came after the first book of the New Testament was believed to have been written.
Not only that, but he claims that the Romans used Christianity for control – this is not so, they had been persecuting Christians for 300 years.
In fact, Constantine used the Edict of Milan as a method of control – not Christianity.
He was not interested in uniting the Empire under one faith, but ending the blood shed – which he did by legalizing ALL religions, not just Christianity.
And the narrator also forgets that the Vatican contributed vastly to the Renascence, perhaps more so than they did the Dark Ages,
and that the Christian Greeks of the Byzantine Empire were the most technologically advanced people of all time until the 1700’s.
He points out the similarities of Jesus and Joseph, and yet, fails to realize that everything recorded in the New Testament is recorded to show Jesus’ fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies.
He also does not name the differences between Jesus and Joseph – Joseph was not born of a virgin birth, but of a mother in old age - is one example.
Over all the documentary is dangerous and presents exagerated truths and made up theories as facts, and makes connections between them. To anyone who is not well educated in the field of history, this movie will curve them into believing something that is not true. Something that Atheists accuse us Christians of doing.

[pumma]

Anyone seen this?:
www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Great movie/video > makes sense ;)

[skel8tor]

This forum seems to have gotten a little scrappy. Ihaven't seen the other film advertised here (yet) though we do have red&white spotted mushrooms inthe woods here.

I partially agree with Cruise4, in most versions of ancient history the general theme is kinda the same but details,names & numbers change. (just remember its ALLLL bollocks)

I have seen zeitgeist and will pass it on, had a big cry at the end. This is the subject matter David Icke tries explain, in another forum i had a moan about him: unfortunately he muddles his words and is oftenpresents the themes imprecisely. Zeitgeist is very clear and well presented.

But what solution?
So far I believe that fighting the global elite on their terms (through politics and media) will not work. The way to overcome this is to...ahem... love, have inside you unconditional love for all things, your thoughts will 'telepathically' (this is not an accurate word to describe the 100-monkeys phenomenon) spread to all beings.
It is hard for a western television controlled mind to accept this idea as plausable. but, um, well, whats to lose

[cruise4]

So far I believe that fighting the global elite on their terms (through politics and media) will not work. The way to overcome this is to...ahem... love, have inside you unconditional love for all things, your thoughts will 'telepathically' (this is not an accurate word to describe the 100-monkeys phenomenon) spread to all beings.
It is hard for a western television controlled mind to accept this idea as plausable. but, um, well, whats to lose

At least you have tried to explain this but there's a lot to lose, like everything. Show me examples of it working? Because I can show examples of people talking to each other and it working. If you are sat on the battlefield in WW2 and think that praying , or whatever will save you then you will die. You might get lucky a couple of times but keep doing it and you will die. I can accept some of these ideas, but without seeing it work I would be stupid to not do anything else. History is littered with people who thought some of this stuff exclusively and died.

[skel8tor]

At least you have tried to explain this but there's a lot to lose, like everything.

Thank you Cruise4, you are objective and constructive.
Something I forgot to mention before was, just because part 1 of the film can be concidered inaccurate (I first thought 'hey?' when they said Horus was the sun god) doesn't mean parts 2-4 are also exagerated truths. Do you have anything to say about the rest of the film?


At least you have tried to explain this but there's a lot to lose, like everything. Show me examples of it working?

I cannot show you examples, my knowledge of history is very small and the media doesn't really have stories of miricles/creating reality.

But try it yourself! Stand at a blind corner and 'will' the colour(s) of the cars which come around it. See what happens, you'll probably have no result but it is a good way to start.
The film 'What the Bleep; Down the rabbit hole' has a good section on random numbers and intention. (though that could be a load of rubbish too)


At least you have tried to explain
If you are sat on the battlefield in WW2 and think that whatever will save you. You might get lucky a couple of times but keep doing it and you will die.


This is an excellent example and dangerously true. Try it, will yourself to win something easy and you'll suceed, try again and win again, then the element of doubt enters 'perhaps that was a statstical anomaly' and bam! you lose. The difficult part is maintaining the belief, as our ww2 friend found out.

My experience of this frame of mind which old Icke is trying to teach us sounds like this;
When I am sad and depressed and fearful I walk down the street and find all the people around me are ugly (no shit) and agitated and just horrid. When I walk down the street happy and free and full of love (that sounds so gay:)) all the people around me are beautiful and also happy.
Now I'm not sure if my frame of mind creates an million-billion subatomic particles around me in the form of beautiful or ugly people, or if my frame of mind filters the same reality to be perceived as such; beautiful or ugly.

Who can tell i'm a strange guy.
Its a magic feeling when you leave 'the program' and start to flow through the world.
I think the idea is; not to have desire (for the future), instead exist in the now and know whatever you would be desiring will appear anyway.