The Points System

[houdini]

i was just wondering how this points deduction system works that gets given when the moderators deem that a thread/post/comment is against the rules of the forum.
i mean i have had 5 points deducted (from what?) already for saying the word "crap" which was deemed argumentative, when the thread actually asked for an opinion, and i gave it based on stuff that had been read, watched etc my end.


its like saying you can eat as much ice cream as you like, and on the 28th bowl ya mum comes along and says "you have had enough, and you cant have anymore"
and no i dont want to know how many points you are allowed just to push it.
it just makes sense that if a punishment is put into place then you know all the consequences and the rules and what the system means.
and what is worth 5 points?
what is worth 6?
what about 10?
it needs to be clarified.
how many points is each member allowed, or is that a decision that is made by moderators as they see fit?

[jimijams]

How do you know if you have had points deducted?

[trinity1]

...i mean i have had 5 points deducted (from what?) already for saying the word "crap"

*snigger* 5 infraction points for saying the word "crap"?!?! :confused: :o

Please tell me this is a joke. Someone? You simply can't be serious. Do you people actually want to drive everybody away from this forum before it's even got off the ground?

[trinity1]

How do you know if you have had points deducted?

You get a pm telling you what the infraction was and how many points it incurred. You get booted after 200 points, I believe.

[trinity1]

Not that I've had any myself :p

[rambleblatt]

Is there a secret list of 'infractions' and their requisite score, or more of a swing-o-meter apportionment based on another secret?

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6092/655207election300im1.jpg

[houdini]

would you like me to cut and paste the pm i received from the webmaster in here?.....and then prob cop 10 points for making public a pm from the webmaster......if i knew how many points i had before i was banned or had restrictions placed on me then i would cut n paste.
im not going to lie about it (saying *crap*)
its what happened, and now that no one can see the post anymore because it was deleted, then no opinion from other people can be posted because they cant really follow the thread now can they....convenient huh.
to be honest im not even sure what thread it was in becasue the link to the thread that is pm'ed to you as well doesnt work.

[trinity1]

Do you really care if you cop more points? This kindergarten points system is embarrassing to say the least. It needs nipping at the quick, in my opinion. Not that my opinion counts of course...

I think the limit is 200 points houdini. It should state on the pm you received.

[houdini]

it does?????
lets have a look......

Dear houdini,

You have received an infraction at David Icke Official Forums.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4258

Reason: Argumentative
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"Crap" isn't really adding anything to the topic, and i suspect is there to annoy other posters.

If you want to argue and masturbate verbally with other people of your callibre, i suggest a great forum for you: www.davidickeforum.com

Cheers.
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This infraction is worth 5 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
David Icke Official Forums


maybe im blind.....
it also doesnt say what each infractiion type is worth in a points value
its interesting that there are moderators onlne now that havent explained , as they surely must know:
a)how many points members can receive b4 they are banned or limited in there posting abilities
and
b)the explanation of the points system and what is deemed worth of a 5 point deduction or a 20(?) point deduction, and what the actual point system is (is there 5 points 10 points and 20 points?)

[tonto o_reilly]

Sean will clarify this to you all next time he is available to do so. In the meantime if you keep things flowing in accordance with the guidelines which are clearly set out, you will receive no infractions or warnings

Thank you

[societyisthematrix]

it does?????
lets have a look......

Dear houdini,

You have received an infraction at David Icke Official Forums.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4258

Reason: Argumentative
-------
"Crap" isn't really adding anything to the topic, and i suspect is there to annoy other posters.

If you want to argue and masturbate verbally with other people of your callibre, i suggest a great forum for you: www.davidickeforum.com

Cheers.
-------

This infraction is worth 5 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
David Icke Official Forums


maybe im blind.....
it also doesnt say what each infractiion type is worth in a points value
its interesting that there are moderators onlne now that havent explained , as they surely must know:
a)how many points members can receive b4 they are banned or limited in there posting abilities
and
b)the explanation of the points system and what is deemed worth of a 5 point deduction or a 20(?) point deduction, and what the actual point system is (is there 5 points 10 points and 20 points?)

Don't worry about it. I'll just do my normal thing until I'm booted and I'll consider that an honor. Two David Icke forums have been ruined by different types of idiocy. At the other forum, they take the gang rape approach, the people voted that that allegation is true: http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45772&highlight=rape

Here, they're taking the totalitarian control approach to ruining the forum.

I can't stand for either, personally. I guess you have to go to GLP or Noble Realms to talk about Icke's work and related topics. :confused:

[rambleblatt]

Sean will clarify this to you all next time he is available to do so. In the meantime if you keep things flowing in accordance with the guidelines which are clearly set out, you will receive no infractions or warnings

Thank you

tonto o_reilly, I think we all know about the infractions now, my question is how is it applied? The guildlines contain no information on how this is done? In the short time here I have seen widely differing applications of this unmentioned method of control. I certainly hope we can have this clarified by Sean, but as a moderator are you saying here that you can't talk about it, or that you don't know?

Thanks.

[limelady]

If a user gets 20 or more points deducted, they are then placed in a very limited account, which doesnt allow for certain privaleges, such as posting pictures, having an avatar, having a signature, etc). If they get 3 more infractions during this period of being in a limited account, they are automatically banned. This ban may be for a two week period, or it may be permanent, depending on the situation.

[houdini]

**If they get 3 more infractions during this period of being in a limited account, they are automatically banned.**

and the time frame for being in a limited account?

[societyisthematrix]

tonto o_reilly, I think we all know about the infractions now, my question is how is it applied? The guildlines contain no information on how this is done? In the short time here I have seen widely differing applications of this unmentioned method of control. I certainly hope we can have this clarified by Sean, but as a moderator are you saying here that you can't talk about it, or that you don't know?

Thanks.

Why are you giving into this and treating it like it's legitimate? You realize that by contemplating their system you're wasting precious time that you could be spending researching important topics that may change your life?

Freedom Or Fascism: The Time To Choose, how unfortunate that choosing the Icke forum is in fact choosing fascism. If you think I'm being melodramatic, just consider this:


not when the area would surely end up with negative comments to David by members.
that wont be tolorated at all.


This comment reminded me of this quote from the article below about how Alex Jones has censored certain articles that he's posted on his website:


In the end, what differentiates Alex Jones from the Controllers that he opposes (at least superficially)? Our local newspaper does not want its readers to become aware of Victor Thorn’s explosive expose, The New World Order Exposed (which is now in its twelfth printing and is one of the hottest alternative-political books in the country), so they refused to review it. But at least they published an announcement/blurb when it was released. Alex Jones and Prison Planet, on the other hand, engaged in a none-too-subtle form of suppression by deliberately deleting an entire sentence and link to Lisa Guliani’s article. Which one is worse? Likewise, although George Bush’s Justice Department is passing horrifyingly unconstitutional legislation, they have yet to censor one word we have ever published. Alex Jones and Prison Planet have now done so on more than one occasion. Which one is worse?

http://69.28.73.17/alexbigbrother.html

So, we have the same thing happening here. I want to point out that David Icke, by not allowing "negative comments to himself" to be posted on his site is engaging in the kind of censorship that we only see in totalitarian states.

[stikmata]

5 points for saying "crap"?!?!?!

That's TOTAL fuckin crap!

i only got 3 for saying anal fisting!

this hierarchical nonsense reeks of R-complex



PS: hi SITM... i posted your Allen Watt blurb breakdown over at the 'Other' forum... top notch stuff ;)

[limelady]

Oh please!

We have a certain code of conduct here. Simple! Upon signing up for an account on this forum you have in essence agreed to bide by the type of conduct expected of you as stipulated at the top of the main forum page. Those who chose not to adhere to the code of conduct expected of them will naturally incur infractions.

This is fairly basic stuff I would have thought, and what other forums do in this regard is entirely up to them, but at this forum we have set some standards we intend to keep - call it what you like, but if you were not prepared to comply with them, you should not have signed up in the first place, so what's the point of whining about it now?

Replying to houdini. I believe the length of time is at the discretion of the webmaster, however, if I find out differently I will certainly let you know. So far nobody has been in this 'reduced' state very long before they incurred another 3 infactions and got themselves banned.

[rambleblatt]

If a user gets 20 or more points deducted, they are then placed in a very limited account, which doesnt allow for certain privaleges, such as posting pictures, having an avatar, having a signature, etc). If they get 3 more infractions during this period of being in a limited account, they are automatically banned. This ban may be for a two week period, or it may be permanent, depending on the situation.

How do you decide the 'seriousness' of the 'infraction'? Is this just a guess based on the mod's opinion? If it is then this is a type of thoughtcrime system.

and the time frame for being in a limited account?

Important question, as yet it continues to be unanswered by the enforcers of a system we have to 'accept' out punishment from.

Why are you giving into this and treating it like it's legitimate? You realize that by contemplating their system you're wasting precious time that you could be spending researching important topics that may change your life?

I do not accept it societyisthematrix, you just assumed I did. I am however attempting to find out what it is I have to supplicate to. This is an alter of accepted punishment, and all I want to find out is 1) when I will have to bow and 2) how many times. When I am told this I will make my decision. I appreciate your concern for me, we should have concern for one another, but we may well stand shoulder to shoulder on this issue, and that would be an honorable situation.

There is an even more pressing issue. We have had two answers from escalating ranks of staff, and yet the answers were their choice, not to the questions. In the mean time we are left to wallow on this punishment-stool without even knowing how or why. I signed an agreement to join this forum, and now find myself tacitly agreeing with unwritten clauses of the contract, and it has been implied in the answers given so far, that I have agreed to them. I have not, so I request full disclosure of any an all rules and regulations, along with a clear and unambiguous description of how these points are wielded. If there is a chart, then please provide it. If not then kindly admit it is 'opinion' based system, requiring us to trust the will of the staff. That is the least any human being should expect, and it is frankly deplorable that we are left without that.

[societyisthematrix]

5 points for saying "crap"?!?!?!

That's TOTAL fuckin crap!

i only got 3 for saying anal fisting!

this hierarchical nonsense reeks of R-complex



PS: hi SITM... i posted your Allen Watt blurb breakdown over at the 'Other' forum... top notch stuff ;)

Thank you. :cool:

[stikmata]

You're Very Welcome

Thank YOU for sharing such an astute observation.

:bow:

[houdini]

*We have a certain code of conduct here. Simple! Upon signing up for an account on this forum you have in essence agreed to bide by the type of conduct expected of you as stipulated at the top of the main forum page.

yup.

*This is fairly basic stuff I would have thought

agreed

*but if you were not prepared to comply with them, you should not have signed up in the first place, so what's the point of whining about it now?

errr....i asked about the infractions and second i got 5 points for saying 'crap' as a reply as it was deemed argumentative and i got another 3 points for cut n pasting my pm that the webmaster sent me, and tonto o reilly called it spamming, and if spamming is against the rules (pm is a spam??) i was wondering if he could explain why he didnt delete the post i made that was referred to as spam, and actually posted under it instead. If it is classed as spam it should then be removed

*Replying to houdini. I believe the length of time is at the discretion of the webmaster, however, if I find out differently I will certainly let you know.

believe? discretion of the webmaster?....he musta forgot to put it in the sticky at the top of the forum or something.
nice of them to let you know the rules regarding the infraction system limelady being a supermod as well id be a little peeed of bout that.
and it would have been nice to know as a member the infraction system workings.
now im sure i will be straight away banned for asking some more questions and not getting them answered.
and end up being accused of been argumentative

[limelady]

*Replying to houdini. I believe the length of time is at the discretion of the webmaster, however, if I find out differently I will certainly let you know.

believe? discretion of the webmaster?....he musta forgot to put it in the sticky at the top of the forum or something.
nice of them to let you know the rules regarding the infraction system limelady being a supermod as well id be a little peeed of bout that.


Not at all peeved. Sean is only human and he has been very busy doing the best job he can. Its a pity some don't appreciate that. I guess (like me) Sean was hoping we wouldn't have to push the "ban" button at any stage, but when people continue to push their boundaries here, then there is no choice but to ban to prevent the forum becoming a war zone. What some conveniently forget is that all the moderators here are volunteers who have offered to help because we thought this forum was worth the effort. There are many great people here posting and we want them to feel free to contribute without the constant childish heckling.

It is not my desire to remove posts, give infractions or ban anybody, so please don't make me have to do it. I'd rather you stayed and perhaps offered to help. Perhaps instead of accusing the moderators of being fascists (we are no more fascist than you are), you could write out some constructive suggestions for consideration and pm them to us?

Lime

[rambleblatt]

Not at all peeved. Sean is only human and he has been very busy doing the best job he can. Its a pity some don't appreciate that. I guess (like me) Sean was hoping we wouldn't have to push the "ban" button at any stage, but when people continue to push their boundaries here, then there is no choice but to ban to prevent the forum becoming a war zone. What some conveniently forget is that all the moderators here are volunteers who have offered to help because we thought this forum was worth the effort. There are many great people here posting and we want them to feel free to contribute without the constant childish heckling.

It is not my desire to remove posts, give infractions or ban anybody, so please don't make me have to do it. I'd rather you stayed and perhaps offered to help. Perhaps instead of accusing the moderators of being fascists (we are no more fascist than you are), you could write out some constructive suggestions for consideration and pm them to us?

Lime

What ARE the boundaries? This is the question. This is all about how the moderators 'feel', I mean what are we dealing with here?

[houdini]

yes sean is only human but come on, he forgot to post what the boundaries are and what the points system is and what type of infraction constitutes what kind of infraction penalty?
no way sorry, dont buy it.........i think this is being made up as we go along.
Oh and the rules and laws were not explained to all the other moderators in this forum?
ramblebatt.
your questions wont be answered dude....they are not understood.

[tonto o_reilly]

yes sean is only human but come on, he forgot to post what the boundaries are and what the points system is and what type of infraction constitutes what kind of infraction penalty?
no way sorry, dont buy it.........i think this is being made up as we go along.
Oh and the rules and laws were not explained to all the other moderators in this forum?
ramblebatt.
your questions wont be answered dude....they are not understood.

If you have any problem with a decision made by myself or another moderator here, you are welcome to question the decision,and discuss it, if you feel it is unjust in anyway, however I suggest you read back through the postings first. The guidelines to the moderators are clear to us as are the ones for posters on this forum for people who choose to be here and post.

[thirdwave]

*We have a certain code of conduct here. Simple! Upon signing up for an account on this forum you have in essence agreed to bide by the type of conduct expected of you as stipulated at the top of the main forum page.

yup.

*This is fairly basic stuff I would have thought

agreed

*but if you were not prepared to comply with them, you should not have signed up in the first place, so what's the point of whining about it now?

errr....i asked about the infractions and second i got 5 points for saying 'crap' as a reply as it was deemed argumentative and i got another 3 points for cut n pasting my pm that the webmaster sent me, and tonto o reilly called it spamming, and if spamming is against the rules (pm is a spam??) i was wondering if he could explain why he didnt delete the post i made that was referred to as spam, and actually posted under it instead. If it is classed as spam it should then be removed

*Replying to houdini. I believe the length of time is at the discretion of the webmaster, however, if I find out differently I will certainly let you know.

believe? discretion of the webmaster?....he musta forgot to put it in the sticky at the top of the forum or something.
nice of them to let you know the rules regarding the infraction system limelady being a supermod as well id be a little peeed of bout that.
and it would have been nice to know as a member the infraction system workings.
now im sure i will be straight away banned for asking some more questions and not getting them answered.
and end up being accused of been argumentative

To be honest , it does not really take allot to work out why this is all put in place does it.... just use a bit of common sence... there are people here out to crush the forum... what would you advise as a cure, with out putting rules in place to limit the amount of Trolls from having there dinner??

should the government also make it free for people to take what ever they want from peoples homes?? .... free to punch somone in the face they don't like??

point out to me where you would like to draw the line here.

just because the "govenment" have done their best to create a world that needs rules... unless you and the masses experience something or work towards something where the rules are not needed to be put in place then they are a requirement due to some people being victims of a malicious agenda...

feel free to enlighten us with your answers to a Free world without educating anyone with info that may help.

[son of the godhead]

Oh please!

We have a certain code of conduct here. Simple! Upon signing up for an account on this forum you have in essence agreed to bide by the type of conduct expected of you as stipulated at the top of the main forum page. Those who chose not to adhere to the code of conduct expected of them will naturally incur infractions.

This is fairly basic stuff I would have thought, and what other forums do in this regard is entirely up to them, but at this forum we have set some standards we intend to keep - call it what you like, but if you were not prepared to comply with them, you should not have signed up in the first place, so what's the point of whining about it now?

Replying to houdini. I believe the length of time is at the discretion of the webmaster, however, if I find out differently I will certainly let you know. So far nobody has been in this 'reduced' state very long before they incurred another 3 infactions and got themselves banned.

There is something about your vibration that is just not right. And it seems somewhat telling that you are another Super Moderator. Your attitude is overly agressive and you are hyper-opinionated.

I'm trying to get over this, but I don't really like the way limelady expresses herself.

Love.

[limelady]

There is something about your vibration that is just not right. And it seems somewhat telling that you are another Super Moderator. Your attitude is overly agressive and you are hyper-opinionated.

I'm trying to get over this, but I don't really like the way limelady expresses herself.

Love.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but this is entirely your problem, not mine.

[son of the godhead]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but this is entirely your problem, not mine.


I agree. It is my problem that I let your expression bother me. However the root of your problem is how you convey your thoughts, thus alienate the people you may try to reach.

Love.

[sean]

The root of any problem is in your own mind. Stop looking outside, and instead look within.

I agree. It is my problem that I let your expression bother me. However the root of your problem is how you convey your thoughts, thus alienate the people you may try to reach.

Love.

[teslafire]

I agree. It is my problem that I let your expression bother me. However the root of your problem is how you convey your thoughts, thus alienate the people you may try to reach.

Love.

That makes no sense and apparently that will, no doubt, be my problem.

I accept, but can I ask if there is a purpose behind your dissent here, what is it that you hope to prove?

[trinity1]

The control is tightening. Can you feel it's vicelike grip, choking the uniqueness and life from you?

I just received my first warning! No points deducted but a warning still. For using the "f" word. lol. I haven't been told off for saying "fuck" since I was about 15. Correct me if I'm wrong but this IS the David Icke official forum isn't it? Doesn't David say in one of his books that getting offended by swearing is rather ridiculous, because it's just a word after all. In a different world he says, people are getting offended by being called a "cheese sandwich". Something along those lines anyway.

Anyway, this shit sucks (oops another warning).

Anyone who values freedom of expression should stand up and be counted right now.

[tonto o_reilly]

If you are not happy with the way this forum is being run, Please, feel free to go else where. I don't see any 'vice like' grip holding you (or anyone else for that matter) in this forum.

TO

[son of the godhead]

The root of any problem is in your own mind. Stop looking outside, and instead look within.

I agree. But limelady has an obvious attitude problem which has nothing to do with my mind, and everything to do with hers.

[son of the godhead]

If you are not happy with the way this forum is being run, Please, feel free to go else where. I don't see any 'vice like' grip holding you (or anyone else for that matter) in this forum.

TO

I disagree. I want to be happy here, but so far the only ones making me feel unwelcome are the Moderators. This is ridiculous.

[son of the godhead]

That makes no sense and apparently that will, no doubt, be my problem.

I accept, but can I ask if there is a purpose behind your dissent here, what is it that you hope to prove?

You do not have to make sense of it. What is your problem is your idea that I'm dissenting. I'm not. I'm only expressing an opinion which you do not have to approve of for it to be valid.

I'm not feeling any love in this place.

[jimijams]

I get a good feeling from you SOTG, don't worry about the mods they are a little touchy at the moment..
I for one welcome you to this forum and look forward to your contributionhttp://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4687/hifivelt9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[son of the godhead]

I get a good feeling from you SOTG, don't worry about the mods they are a little touchy at the moment..
I for one welcome you to this forum and look forward to your contributionhttp://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4687/hifivelt9.gif (http://imageshack.us)


Greatly appreciated. Like I said, I don't feel any antagonism from the general populace in here, only from those seeming to want complete control of what goes on in here. I haven't posted much because I've been observing, and I don't understand the need for such oppression within a forum of this nature.

You expect it from Ch4 or the BBC forum's, but here? It's very odd.

[limelady]

I disagree. I want to be happy here, but so far the only ones making me feel unwelcome are the Moderators. This is ridiculous.

You are welcome here, and we want you (and everyone else) to feel comfortable here, but have you considered that slam-dunking the moderators in 4 or your first 6 posts on this forum is perhaps not the best way to win friends and influence people?

Perhaps you just got off to a bad start?
I guess time will tell.

[jimijams]

Greatly appreciated. Like I said, I don't feel any antagonism from the general populace in here, only from those seeming to want complete control of what goes on in here. I haven't posted much because I've been observing, and I don't understand the need for such oppression within a forum of this nature.

You expect it from Ch4 or the BBC forum's, but here? It's very odd.
I think they may be a bit defensive and maybe justifiably so because of the onslaught of trolls that made there way here as soon as this forum opened.. It's starting to settle down a bit now and my advice to them now would be to loosen the reins a bit now and lighten up..

All this NWO conspiracy stuff can really get you down, although there is serious research and work to be done we also sometimes need to let our hair down and have a laugh sometimes..http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4687/hifivelt9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[limelady]

I think they may be a bit defensive and maybe justifiably so because of the onslaught of trolls that made there way here as soon as this forum opened.. It's starting to settle down a bit now and my advice to them now would be to loosen the reign a bit now a lighten up..

All this NWO conspiracy stuff can really get you down, although there is serious research and work to be done we also sometimes need to let our hair down and have a laugh sometimes..http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4687/hifivelt9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Thankyou jimmijams for showing some real understanding of the situation. I appreciate your sentiments regarding 'loosening up' and although I cannot speak for the other mods, you can rest assured there is nothing I'd like more than to see some relaxed banter take place on this forum.

Lime

[teslafire]

You do not have to make sense of it. What is your problem is your idea that I'm dissenting. I'm not. I'm only expressing an opinion which you do not have to approve of for it to be valid.

I'm not feeling any love in this place.

At first I started posting whatever I felt like posting with no regard for anything or anyone, just my own whimsical unique perspectives. It was fun, it was liberating, but it was not so effective in creating a communal ethic. Compromise equals teamwork, sacrifice for the common good, we all form as Vultron. :D

[jimijams]

Thankyou jimmijams for showing some real understanding of the situation. I appreciate your sentiments regarding 'loosening up' and although I cannot speak for the other mods, you can rest assured there is nothing I'd like more than to see some relaxed banter take place on this forum.

Lime
Your welcome.. Most of my serious posting I do in the other forums, it's good to come in to the general section for a bit of nonsensical banter occasionally to clear your head..

[freespark]

Oh look. It's the same whiners whining and moaning wahhh bahhhh freedom boohooo bwaaaaa.

If you don't like it....get lost. It's so perfectly simple i can't believe this argument is still going on.

But then again...you lot need something to whine about don't you? In fact there will always be something to whine about won't there? It's how you get your kicks. Isn't it? It makes you feel BIG.

There is a forum out there for you. You know where to find it. Go and make it your own and have your funs there. You can do what you want over there. Over here, i'm afraid you can't. Oh shame. My heart bleeds for you.

Snap out of it. You lot go on about 'create your own reality'. Well i have some advice...go and create it then and stop whining over here...it's tiresome, it's monotonous and it's getting you knowhere.

Funny how all the other forum members can respect the so called 'rules' and have no issues in regards to this matter. Funny eh? Think about that for a bit.

Think about what causes you to whine and complain.

And yes, yes i know.... freeeeedom. Yeah right. Lets give everyone who wants to 'assasinate' Davids character full reign in a forum bearing his name. It will be a ball of shit within a week. Look what happened in the first week. That's a great idea. You know very well what some of these people think of him and what lengths they go to to make the man look bad. If you don't understand that then frankly you are a fool.

Once again, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT....Go create your reality elsewhere.

[teslafire]

Are you not also whining Freespark?

Why not ask him directly what it is exactly that he finds bothered. Every person that takes an interest in the things we speak of here, is worth their weight in gold and should not be so easily dismissed like one would kick out a vagrant from their favorite club. Debate is inherently combative, the only rules that I see here are to keep the combat sportsmanlike. I don't think there are specific areas of discussion that are barred.

[purple is a fruit]

Are you not also whining Freespark?

Why not ask him directly what it is exactly that he finds bothered. Every person that takes an interest in the things we speak of here, is worth their weight in gold and should not be so easily dismissed like one would kick out a vagrant from their favorite club. Debate is inherently combative, the only rules that I see here are to keep the combat sportsmanlike. I don't think there are specific areas of discussion that are barred.

you do have a point, ;) yet I think many here can also understand her frustration.

[purple is a fruit]

you do have a point, ;) yet I think many here can also understand her frustration.

or him, sorry:eek:

[freespark]

Are you not also whining Freespark?

Why not ask him directly what it is exactly that he finds bothered. Every person that takes an interest in the things we speak of here, is worth their weight in gold and should not be so easily dismissed like one would kick out a vagrant from their favorite club. Debate is inherently combative, the only rules that I see here are to keep the combat sportsmanlike. I don't think there are specific areas of discussion that are barred.

The point is tesla that people have been invited here to discuss ideas. But if you let them 'do what they want' i am sure you are very aware of what happens (a la the forum). Nobody is making people stay here. So why whine and moan about it. Just leave.

It's just really that simple. There is a clear agenda for some people to totally make David look bad...there is no doubt and if people get full reign, and believe me if they get what they want (imagine KOTM with full reign, are you kidding me) this place will end up like the 'forum'. And i enjoy the forum and i'm not saying it's bad at all...but there is a time and a place for some of the shit that goes on there. So it must stay there.

Don't get me wrong here i'm all for freedom and debate but you have to draw the line somewhere and the mods are trying there best. Imagine trying to keep track of all KOTM 'creations'? Come on mate thats a full time job as it is.

This place is new and has to settle. In time it will chill out but i think boundries have to be set in the beginning.

My cents.

[son of the godhead]

You are welcome here, and we want you (and everyone else) to feel comfortable here, but have you considered that slam-dunking the moderators in 4 or your first 6 posts on this forum is perhaps not the best way to win friends and influence people?

Perhaps you just got off to a bad start?
I guess time will tell.

I do not come here to win friends or influence anyone. I come to read and express my opinion on what has been written, and relative to my own experiences. If people like that, that is good. If they don't, then that is good. I will never get into personal attacks because a username and an avatar on a forum doesn't agree with me or mine. And in expressing this I will reiterate that I do not like the way in which you formulate your responses, and I find if you continue in this manner you will alienate more people similar to myself.

What I find here is the Moderators over-indulging in a "tennis match" of negativity with what you would call less desirable indivduals, when they should be keeping quiet and only becoming further involved in extreme circumstances. Do any of you stand by the decleration that swearing is a punishable offence outside of this place? Of course not, so why flex your muscle of control in such an immature manner, here?

The bad start is not mine, it is obviously those here in control, of which you are now one. If you don't like the fingerpointing, then that's not my problem.

Or is it?

[son of the godhead]

The point is tesla that people have been invited here to discuss ideas. But if you let them 'do what they want' i am sure you are very aware of what happens (a la the forum). Nobody is making people stay here. So why whine and moan about it. Just leave.

It's just really that simple. There is a clear agenda for some people to totally make David look bad...there is no doubt and if people get full reign, and believe me if they get what they want (imagine KOTM with full reign, are you kidding me) this place will end up like the 'forum'. And i enjoy the forum and i'm not saying it's bad at all...but there is a time and a place for some of the shit that goes on there. So it must stay there.

Don't get me wrong here i'm all for freedom and debate but you have to draw the line somewhere and the mods are trying there best. Imagine trying to keep track of all KOTM 'creations'? Come on mate thats a full time job as it is.

This place is new and has to settle. In time it will chill out but i think boundries have to be set in the beginning.

My cents.

I am growing so very tired of the opinion that if you don't like it go away. This is foolish and childish beyond belief. I want to participate in dialogue within a David Icke forum. I'm a follower of David's work and would love to debate aspects of it, but I find my time and attention being drawn into areas I am not so comfortable with by the nature of the burgeoning control in here.

I don't like this, but the forum itself has huge potential if only left to settle down without the constant need for stirring by both parties.

[sean]

No one is pushing you away, and I very much welcome you to this forum and hope that you indeed start talking about the areas that interest you.

So far, I haven't seen much of this. But its early days. Perhaps you can get the ball rolling and start contributing to the forum? Just a thought.

I am growing so very tired of the opinion that if you don't like it go away. This is foolish and childish beyond belief. I want to participate in dialogue within a David Icke forum. I'm a follower of David's work and would love to debate aspects of it, but I find my time and attention being drawn into areas I am not so comfortable with by the nature of the burgeoning control in here.

I don't like this, but the forum itself has huge potential if only left to settle down without the constant need for stirring by both parties.

[21_12_2012]

Instead of focusing on what we CANNOT do (ie. excessive swearing, insults, character assasination), focus on what we CAN do. (ie. chat with like-minded individuals, ask questions, answer questions, gain knowledge).
Basically it is near enough 100% free speech, minus swearing and insults. Sounds fair enough to me anyway.
What a waste of time it would be if this forum wasn't in some way moderated, reading through endless posts of people ripping each other up and generally ruining the overall point of the forum in the first place.

[lumukanda]

well said, been there, done that.

[freespark]

No one is pushing you away, and I very much welcome you to this forum and hope that you indeed start talking about the areas that interest you.

So far, I haven't seen much of this. But its early days. Perhaps you can get the ball rolling and start contributing to the forum? Just a thought.

Exactly. Alot of whining about what we can't do or say but not a hell of alot of anything else. ;)

I wonder why this is. Ah yes i remember now. It's not about contributing for some is it? It's about taking energy away and concerning themselves with pettiness.

To put it another way...i am not whining because i feel i have nothing to whine about. Why? Because i 'express' myself with respect in regards to the rules of the forum. I don't feel the need to 'express' myself any other way.

So whats the problem then?

[freespark]

Instead of focusing on what we CANNOT do (ie. excessive swearing, insults, character assasination), focus on what we CAN do. (ie. chat with like-minded individuals, ask questions, answer questions, gain knowledge).
Basically it is near enough 100% free speech, minus swearing and insults. Sounds fair enough to me anyway.
What a waste of time it would be if this forum wasn't in some way moderated, reading through endless posts of people ripping each other up and generally ruining the overall point of the forum in the first place.

Ditto. It's easy when you focus on other things eh? I suppose people choose where they want to focus and for them apparently it's focus on CAN'T.

[clint eastwood]

On here, you go with the flow. Don't be the nail that sticks out. You'll get hammered if you are. Get battered, and all evidence of what you got battered for, will vanish.

Whaddaya think you're doing, mister Hitler?:cool:

[clint eastwood]

Instead of focusing on what we CANNOT do (ie. excessive swearing, insults, character assasination), focus on what we CAN do.

With all due respect, that's not exactly a lot now, is it. :cool:

[21_12_2012]

With all due respect, that's not exactly a lot now, is it. :cool:

I disagree. Minus excessive swearing and needless ripping-up, what else can we not do?

[trinity1]

I disagree. Minus excessive swearing and needless ripping-up, what else can we not do?



Ask "difficult" questions about David Icke (well we CAN ask them, but the mods can delete entire threads if they don't like the way the conversation is going.)

Post "meaningless" banter in the general chat section. (well we CAN post it, but the mods can delete entire threads AND usernames if they don't like the mode of humour).

Register with a username of a famous person, or "impersonate" another user even if meant in a tongue-in-cheek way, (unless the username being "impersonated" is labelled troll, then it's ok). (Well, we CAN, but the mods can delete entire threads, nay whole SECTIONS of posts because they don't like the mode of humour).

[sean]

Ask "difficult" questions about David Icke (well we CAN ask them, but the mods can delete entire threads if they don't like the way the conversation is going.)
Post "meaningless" banter in the general chat section. (well we CAN post it, but the mods can delete entire threads AND usernames if they don't like the mode of humour).
Register with a username of a famous person, or "impersonate" another user even if meant in a tongue-in-cheek way, (unless the username being "impersonated" is labelled troll, then it's ok). (Well, we CAN, but the mods can delete entire threads, nay whole SECTIONS of posts because they don't like the mode of humour).

Impersonating people isn't something we intend to allow here. Sorry.

Your interpretation of meaningless banter, is another persons "trolling". If you'd actually have a go at posting things that genuinly interest you instead of being defensive, you see that we pretty much allow anything that isn't abusive towards others, or is deliberately hijacking other threads.

You are free to post anything you want regarding David's work. However, he isn't here to defend himself, and as he is writing a book at the moment amongst other things he cannot participate on the forum. So, again, unfair abuse towards him or anybody else, isn't welcome here.

[21_12_2012]

Ask "difficult" questions about David Icke (well we CAN ask them, but the mods can delete entire threads if they don't like the way the conversation is going.)

Post "meaningless" banter in the general chat section. (well we CAN post it, but the mods can delete entire threads AND usernames if they don't like the mode of humour).

Register with a username of a famous person, or "impersonate" another user even if meant in a tongue-in-cheek way, (unless the username being "impersonated" is labelled troll, then it's ok). (Well, we CAN, but the mods can delete entire threads, nay whole SECTIONS of posts because they don't like the mode of humour).



Well, if I was David Icke, regardless of the fact that my 'name is on the forum', the last thing I would want is my private life splashed about regarding 'difficult questions'...(most of which seem like stupid questions...or loaded questions...to me anyway)
In fact I think anyone would feel the same really.
The point of the site is to educate ourselves and others about the very things Icke brings up.
I fail to see the significance of 'why is his website green'...and all the rest of the questions about Icke.
The simple fact is, he has allowed us to come together and discuss things that can educate us and others who wish to find out about it....not to be asked personal questions and loaded questions which appear to discredit him.....fair enough I say.....I would feel exactly the same....if some people think that is suspicious, then they should try to put themselves in Icke's shoes for a minute.
The man has done wonders for people so far...more than enough....personal questions and accusations in my eyes aren't part of his 'role' to us.

As for meaningless banter....that's exactly what it is...meaningless...does nothing for our knowledge and the reputation of this forum..so why have it hanging around ? Makes sense to me.

Impersonating famous people, well, that also has nothing to do with what this forum is here to achieve.

[david_lee_roth]

really? David Icke did a real good impersonation of Jesus when i met him

maybe im in the wrong place?

:confused:

..least i dont need to beg or borrow, im running with the devil!'

[seamus]

Let me throw in my 2 cents US.

I do find it a bit strange that David is allowed to swear at images of the President and Prime Minister and Queen (hey, he's an adult, why not?), while we, in his electronic house, so to speak, are subject to censure for using similar language about the content of another's post. (saying something like "That makes no f***ing sense")

s

[societyisthematrix]

Let me throw in my 2 cents US.

I do find it a bit strange that David is allowed to swear at images of the President and Prime Minister and Queen (hey, he's an adult, why not?), while we, in his electronic house, so to speak, are subject to censure for using similar language about the content of another's post. (saying something like "That makes no f***ing sense")

s

Meanwhile the mods can call people names all they want and declare people's posts to be anything they want. Case in point:

http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45971

[kristian lee]

Impersonating people isn't something we intend to allow here. Sorry.

Your interpretation of meaningless banter, is another persons "trolling". If you'd actually have a go at posting things that genuinly interest you instead of being defensive, you see that we pretty much allow anything that isn't abusive towards others, or is deliberately hijacking other threads.

You are free to post anything you want regarding David's work. However, he isn't here to defend himself, and as he is writing a book at the moment amongst other things he cannot participate on the forum. So, again, unfair abuse towards him or anybody else, isn't welcome here.

So what if David is writing a book? He can come on here and defend himself if he chooses. I am sorry but this "he is too busy" mantra is starting to wear a bit thin. David is very good at telling people how it is, but he is not so good at answering challenges to what he believes. Many people, such as Ivan Fraser have presented valid challenges to Icke's work and never has he defended these challenges. It does make it hard to believe that he actually has a valid defence, especially considering the fact that such a defense would give his work so much more credibility.

[son of the godhead]

Meanwhile the mods can call people names all they want and declare people's posts to be anything they want. Case in point:

http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45971

This kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable coming from a Moderator, and something I highlighted as a major concern of mine earlier in this thread.

What's good for the goose etc.

[jimijams]

This kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable coming from a Moderator, and something I highlighted as a major concern of mine earlier in this thread.

What's good for the goose etc.
You've made some very good points SOTG but you seem to be now be going in circles ..
Why don't you dazzle us with your brilliance and post something of interest..http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1871/hifiverx6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[son of the godhead]

No one is pushing you away, and I very much welcome you to this forum and hope that you indeed start talking about the areas that interest you.

So far, I haven't seen much of this. But its early days. Perhaps you can get the ball rolling and start contributing to the forum? Just a thought.

At this moment in time this is the area that somewhat reluctantly interests me, and though I'd rather move on, it keeps coming up again and again and I cannot ignore it in the way the Moderators here obviously want us all to. And as far as I am concerned what I'm writing is contributing to this forum, just not in the way you wish it was.

[son of the godhead]

You've made some very good points SOTG but you seem to be now be going in circles ..
Why don't you dazzle us with your brilliance and post something of interest..http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1871/hifiverx6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

I did not realise that I was in attendance to "dazzle with brilliance", and perform on request?

[arm_and_hammer]

turdy turdy tumdrops where for art thou turd wave ? :D

[jimijams]

I did not realise that I was in attendance to "dazzle with brilliance", and perform on request?

Yes I guess you're right, how could I have been so stupid? We all know why you're here..http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5239/wink2xo0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[houdini]

ok so after pm'ing Tonto the questions that were asked, and him saying that he would forward it to the webmaster and i would get an explanation it seems that this infraction stuff still hasnt been put into the rules and regulations.
i can see the webmster has posted in this thread since the pm was sent.
so the question is
webmaster: why not?
why was the infraction procedure not explained in the 'rules'?
and also, when you reach 20 infraction points and you are put into a period of 'limits' in the forum, is it up to YOU how long you deem the period to be, and if it is why is this also not in the 'rules' sticky?
limelady said she believes it is, this means that:
a) she thinks it is
b) she hasnt been told it deff is

why was the infractions not explained to members?....
i dont know about other members but i, myself, signed up to follow the rules in the 'rules' thread...not to follow rules that are NOT in the 'rules' thread.
unless i am mistaken and they are posted somewhere else, and i will cop that and except it, but i just had a look in the rules thread at the top of general..i see nothing.


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i cant see the points system explained in there.....can anyone else????
or the peroid you may find yourself in if you reach 20 points

[limelady]

Just a quick reminder that its not a good idea to feed the trolls - it merely keeps them going.

Best to ignore them.

[jimijams]

Just a quick reminder that its not a good idea to feed the trolls - it merely keeps them going.

Best to ignore them.

SOTG isn't a troll, just a poor soul having an identity crisis..

[houdini]

i'll put some tunes on while i wait
maybe a bit of Van Halen:p

[houdini]

when ya ready sean.........

[sean]

Hi Houdini

I'm in the process of writing up an explanation of the system. This forum is in its early stages and there are many things needing to be done.

However, you've provided valueable help to the website team in bringing up this issue and fast tracking it into being resolved. However, you do not work for the website, and you have no input as to when these things get done, so i'm afraid you'll just have to wait and be slightly in the dark about how this whole thing is run. Exciting stuff!

Thanks.

[houdini]

so.....the 'rules' to the infraction system were not sorted out b4 the forum was started and they have been only just decided on by you being the webmaster, after this thread was started?
or
we signed up not knowing about these infraction rules that are in place and they had not been told to all the members?

[sean]

so.....the 'rules' to the infraction system were not sorted out b4 the forum was started and they have been only just decided on by you being the webmaster, after this thread was started?
or
we signed up not knowing about these infraction rules that are in place and they had not been told to all the members?

There are many things that havent been sorted out mate. However, go and read the rules very carefuly and you'll see that it says if you do not follow them, or deliberately troll the forum your account will be restricted or banned altogether.

The infraction system is something that enables us as moderators to enforce the rules in an easy manner. It also allows us to give consistency with time spans of being placed in a restricted account amongst other things. However, as I have said already, we are in the early stages here and there are many things including this system which are being improved upon and which need to be explained to our members..

The simple fact remains though - the rules are quite clear. If you break them, there are consequences. You aren't exactly signing blindly on the dotted line now are you?

[rambleblatt]

Thanks for replying Sean, and I wish you luck in formulating your rules, however you keep saying that the 'rules' are very clear. This is simply not accurate, the rules are being made up as you go along. Perhaps it would have been easier if you had simply said that right at the beginning? As it says right at the top of the pages of the forum "exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real" - can you see where the frustration comes from?

[houdini]

a) well yes we all are signing blindly on a dotted line if rules are being put in place afterwards or not being shown.
b)you still havent answered the questions in the previous post.its a simple yes or no type question

are you saying im deliberately trolling sean by stating the rules to me again that i have read numerous times in the last few days trying to see where it includes the infraction system?
*there are many things that have not been sorted out mate*
well the infraction system must have been sorted out when the forum started as limelady said that most people who get to 20 points dont last long b4 they get the 3 more that gets them the boot....so if the infraction system was implementred early why hasnt it been posted up under the 'rules'.
or if you have not had them ready when the forum started before people started joining why cant this be admitted to?

[sean]

We are not making the rules up as we go along.

Read the announcement. The rules are quite clear. However, I understand that people do not understand what the infraction system is, and that will be explained in due course. It's there, and its there to stay. And all of the moderators use it when necessary. Nothing being made up as we go along there, i can assure you.

If you are here to troll, your time is limited. If you accidently post some copyrighted material or do something against the guidelines at the top, we will politely warn you. If you persist, infractions will be given. A certain number of infractions places you in a limited account. This will be explained in detail, it just hasn't yet.

But the fact remains, the rules of conduct are explained sufficiently. If you seriously don't know how to conduct yourself after reading them, and feel confused as to what the rules are, i would consider whether this is the right place for you.

[sean]

a) well yes we all are signing blindly on a dotted line if rules are being put in place afterwards or not being shown.
b)you still havent answered the questions in the previous post.its a simple yes or no type question

are you saying im deliberately trolling sean by stating the rules to me again that i have read numerous times in the last few days trying to see where it includes the infraction system?
*there are many things that have not been sorted out mate*
well the infraction system must have been sorted out when the forum started as limelady said that most people who get to 20 points dont last long b4 they get the 3 more that gets them the boot....so if the infraction system was implementred early why hasnt it been posted up under the 'rules'.
or if you have not had them ready when the forum started before people started joining why cant this be admitted to?

No Houdini, the infractions system hasn't been explained. However the result of breaking the rules has. The infractions system will be explained in due course, however.

The infractions system have NO impact whatsoever with how you conduct yourself on the forum. The guidelines are there for you to read for that. Therefore i do not consider the infraction system to be a vital part in knowiing what the rules are. They are a system for the moderators to use in order to deal with people who break the rules.

If you have an issue with this, then i suggest simply waiting until i have posted the explanation of the system. Moaning and whinging on here is going to do nothing.

[houdini]

i hope all members can see what is exactly going on here.
so from what we can gather from these posts in the last half hour or so is:
that the infraction system was always in place from the beginning of the forum and all members were not told of it.
thanx for clearing that up sean

its quite plain for me to see that i have signed up to rules that i did not know were in place.
thanx.
oh and the monoatomic gold add uses 106k the upper banner add uses 50k add that to the quick reply box at the bottom and it'll explain why this place is pretty slow

a simply "yes the infraction rules have been around since the start and no we didnt inform members of them" woulda been an easy response...much quicker too

[tonto o_reilly]

I think many of the other members are in fact enjoying the forum houdini and are quite happy with the guidelines in place and are quite happy to follow them. You seem to be having major issues with the points system which really is not an issue if you simply follow the guidelines.

I am pleased you are now happy this situation is resolved.
Again, thank you for your input into the forum and how to it can be improved. All suggestions are taken on board.

TO

[sean]

I'm pretty sure all members will be able to see exactly what's going on here.

Again, thanks for bringing this to our attention. We also need to improve on the user profiles, and add functionality for people uploading and dowloading attachments. Much to do!

[houdini]

thats quite ok tonto, im much happier now that i know there are hidden rules in place that we have to abide by and dont know about.
the fact is i dont plan on becoming a troll or posting nasty stuff.
but if rules are in the pub i go into for a drink...id like to know all of them before i put my beer down on the table without using a drinks coaster.

hopefully by tonight all the rules will be up in the sticky at the top of the General area.....i mean it shouldnt take long, they are already written up........somewhere

[tonto o_reilly]

Yes i am sure they will Houdini

Thanks again.
TO

[sean]

The infraction system aren't rules. Therefore they cannot be hidden. In fact, the infraction system doesn't really affect your conduct, so you can safely put that beer down knowing exactly whats acceptable and what isn't. Whether we banned you via doing hand stands on our keyboards, or via an infraction system isn't relevant. The relevancy is the rules, which you do know. They are right there at the top in the announcement. Tell me if you have trouble reading them and i'll make them clearer for you.

[rambleblatt]

Treating Others:
This is a place for open and free discussion on a wide range of topics, and we ask that you respect eachother by not deliberately bullying or harassing other members of the forum.

Please don't post one word replies.

This is not the place for personal attacks, or to deliberately stop the flow of conversation from taking place. Please; No Hijacking of threads. No posting of irrelevent images or text in other people's topics for no reason other than disruption. No personal insults.

You may want to correct these spelling errors in 'the rules', there are more than I have indicated in this quoted extract and it must be somewhat embarrassing.

However, the reason I post this is to highlight just a couple of the many issues regarding your rules, as they are NOT clear Sean, despite the chorus who keeps singing from the song-sheet. so let's do some exposition of the dream world you believe to be real:

This is a place for open and free discussion on a wide range of topics...not deliberately bullying or harassing other members

Are we to understand then that to remain within the rules, as it is an open and free discussion (from a similar compound as percussion and concussion, dis- "apart" + quatere "to shake, smash apart, scatter, disperse") limited only to the views or beliefs expressed by the members, is perfectly fine? And that that shaking apart can be done using as much linguistic variety as we have available?

The reason I ask this is because of much reference to 'feeling'. The staff who have answered here have also referred to their own way of feeling bad or tired or upset. But in the process of discussion which by definition is "to shake, smash apart, scatter, disperse" peoples feelings and not only concepts and illusions, strongly held beliefs and misplaced emotional attachment could be upset. Is this bullying and harassing?

This is quite important, this push for 'tolerance' for others, as though that means an enforced compliance, can never result in a free and open discussion. Consider this:

"If we can send a man to the moon, why can't we send a man with AIDS to the moon? And one day all people with AIDS can be sent to the moon!"
Sara Silverman

Problem, reaction, solution?

[teslafire]

Its a good point you make Rambleblatt (and a funny quote you posted). You feel like rules were just happened upon your stay without your knowledge or consent, and that is a basic thing people get upset over regardless of who or what the intention behind the surprise is. Its like being scared by a loved one, you're still going to freak out and instinctually rebel against what creates that feeling.

But by now I would imagine that the initial shock has worn off and we can consider then why and what motivated a point system in the first place. How many points does it take to get banned? 200?

At that allowance you'd almost have to work to get banned. On most forums people who don't vibe usually leave before they'd ever have a chance to reach a mark similar to '200'.

I don't want that to come off as defensive, because I don't consider myself as taking sides (as I can see myself having both reactions), it'd just be nice if people could take a step back and see where everyone else is coming from...I think its all on the same side.

[david_lee_roth]

not a mod anymore tesla?

[rambleblatt]

Its a good point you make Rambleblatt (and a funny quote you posted). You feel like rules were just happened upon your stay without your knowledge or consent, and that is a basic thing people get upset over regardless of who or what the intention behind the surprise is. Its like being scared by a loved one, you're still going to freak out and instinctually rebel against what creates that feeling.

But by now I would imagine that the initial shock has worn off and we can consider then why and what motivated a point system in the first place. How many points does it take to get banned? 200?

At that allowance you'd almost have to work to get banned. On most forums people who don't vibe usually leave before they'd ever have a chance to reach a mark similar to '200'.

I don't want that to come off as defensive, because I don't consider myself as taking sides (as I can see myself having both reactions), it'd just be nice if people could take a step back and see where everyone else is coming from...I think its all on the same side.

If you read back in the thread you will see it is 20 points for a restriction, and an immediate ban in that undetermined period of restriction, for any further infraction.

[teslafire]

Yes you're right, but then its only a temporary amount of time merely for the sake of mod review. The time isn't like a time-out in the corner, its plainly bureaucratic in nature. Its the business of communication and we are beholden to its safeguards which are comparable standards to basic driving laws; wearing seatbelts or spectacles for folks with bad vision.

There are a few things that need be clarified, such as clearer terms of what defines severe infraction or probation, but I believe that point has been addressed elsewhere.

[oceanwave]

What I find here is the Moderators over-indulging in a "tennis match" of negativity with what you would call less desirable indivduals, when they should be keeping quiet and only becoming further involved in extreme circumstances.

most people will come on here expecting ickes presence, no matter what sticky's are put up,...

...and thus, they will see swearing as part of the place...ie, and i quote, from "I am me, I am Free"

{David icke}Even if I was trying to be offensive, you still don’t have to take it on and be affected by it. You have a choice. Well now I’ve offended you, I might as well go all the way. In for a penny, in for a pound - you know me. How about the word fuck?

My GOD! Did you hear what he just said?
Youknow...ffff...the”F”word.
Disgusting! Outrageous! What an awful man!

I said the “F” word? Oh, you mean fuck? Yes, that’s right, I did. So?{/David Icke}


...i say,

...it is more of 'intent' than anything else, which should be considered, when 'assessing' potentially abusive posts...



forgive me for saying this, but i do hope you take it with good grace :)



...you lot are like Dad's Army at the moment...


;)



i'd like to add...chill, it'll all come together


:cool:

(for those who don't know, Dad's Army is a classic british tv series, i suggest searching "Dad's Army - A Sleep in the Deep" (1-3) on yuotube)

[limelady]

This thread is being closed because if is going nowhere.
Questions have been asked and answered and things are nog going round and round.

PLEASE be patient - we are still getting organised.

Read the conduct rules at the top of the main forum page and abide by them and you will have no problems in this forum.

Lime