Is David Icke shirking Responsibility

[reptileslayer]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys i'm off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shelfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

[thunda]

The problem is tho is that Icke is right in one respect - he, you or me has no right to force this stuff upon people. That won't work. People have to find it and discover it themselves.

You don't learn maths by just looking at examples in a book - you learn it by applying the theories to your own real world examples (or whats put in a test or exam paper) and working it out yourself.

Knowing the information is one thing which someone can tell you - but understanding it is something that is solely down to the individual.

People don't buy into the 911 scam when its pointed out because they have been conditioned to not think things through for themselves. No matter what you say to them in response to the official line they won't buy it because the official propaganda machine is way better than me or you or Icke will ever be. People need to think on it themselves to be able to understand it.

Thats why Icke puts things out then is 'off to the bar, me' .. drop the info to people and hope that a few of them will mull it over. The rest would just have it go in one ear and out the other.

Its not about convincing people - its about them waking from their slumber, which is only something they can do themself.

[chris]

I agree with you reptile slayer, apart from that I don't really think he's gone into his own orbit...He's kind of gotten brushed aside to the more sophisticated well packaged info out there which is designed to fight the nwo not simply tell the truth willy-nilly.

He is not responsible for anyone other than his kids so I don't think he's shirking. He just writes what he thinks and there is a lot of good info in there and a lot of stuff to open your eye's but then there's a lot of stuff to take with a pinch of salt.

[ngawaka19]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys i'm off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shelfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.



ka aroha koe (compassion for you) reptile slayer. I know that it would seem this way to you, it is quite easy, when been given information that is quite shocking and then to be left to deal with it. This may seem hard and unkind when I say it, but believe me you are recieving love from me when I do,

- we can't suckle on the tit for all of our lives
- there is something called a back bone which incredible as it seems we all have one
- co dependancy is laziness
- you have the same knowledge within the depths of your intelligence that we all do

those are actually harsh things to say to you, i'm sorry if it hurts you, I think they could strengthen you though. Don't hesitate to tell me I'm out of line.

I live miles away from where D I and his team do, my country is at least 50 years behind the rest of the world. I knew this information way before I clicked on to this forum, now if I knew this, you've got to ask, where did I get the information from if I didn't know D I existed.............

I got on a bender and didn't stop looking, I looked everywhere, the net, the library, I spoke to people that had experienced sightings and I trusted my own intuition.

We are lucky that D even gave us any information he didn't have to he could of kept it for himself. The fact that he has taken a few steps back could be for any reason, he might be ailing, he might be exhausted, he might have a family member that needs him, or this could even be his way of strengthening us, making us do some work too.

Again, I say this, judge not or u will be judged yourself. How can we analyse a situation when we truely do not know what has gone on within the centre of it. We seem to think that its simply cut and dried. When we stop to think, anything could of happened to make him step down for a bit, the possibility's open to an endless orb.

What we do have is a head start on the rest of the world, with this make of it what you will, the info is there, this forum is there to hold all of our hands. And if you read enough of this forum all the answers are there, we are told time and time again how to combat these crime mungers that rule our world unlawfully. And if you still don't know, its love and forgiveness. With the mass consciousness that can be developed from every human on earth, that is what will combat these sods. We must stop fighting each other, we must join together........as bob marley said......

UNITE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL PEOPLE

[oceanwave]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has...*snip*

all he, and other 'conspiracy' researchers, can do is inform...that's it

the rest...is indeed, up to you

:)

[tinmenace]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys i'm off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shelfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

Now is the time to look inward and find your own strength, your own path. David is not some sort of messiah that has offered to lead mankind into some kind of Utopian mindset. All David does is offer information. What you do with it, and how you process it, is up to you. That's it!

Don't you worry too much about what David is up to, ok? It's none of our business what he does in his private life, and he owes us nothing - not even an explanation. He's already given so much of himself. So, get on with uncovering the truth and exposing the agenda and don't mind David.

Let's help David, instead of looking to him for energy and guidance all the time. Time to stand on your own two feet and give David some space, ok?

[abrilliantone]

Now is the time to look inward and find your own strength, your own path. David is not some sort of messiah that has offered to lead mankind into some kind of Utopian mindset. All David does is offer information. What you do with it, and how you process it, it up to you. That's it!

Don't you worry too much about what David is up to, ok? It's none of our business what he does in his private life, and he owes us nothing - not even an explanation. He's already given so much of himself. So, get on with uncovering the truth and exposing the agenda and don't mind David.

Let's help David, instead of looking to him for energy and guidance all the time. Time to stand on your own two feet and give David some space, ok?

I could'nt had said that better myshelf, right on bro!

[tinmenace]

I could'nt had said that better myshelf, right on bro!

:)

[d_young]

what will (hopefully soon) happen is that more "Ickes" are popping up. Although I sometimes feel I want to make people more aware of certain issues, its quite simply impossible. I sat a night in the bar, talking to a hardcore sceptic about 9/11. He wouldn't buy anything I was saying, I countered by saying "these are all things that have been reported in major news outlets", and he replied "As if I would trust them" What this guy was basing his point of view on, i dont know... but at the end of the night nothing had changed. He was a sceptic I was a believer.

So as someone else said, David has no responsibility to do anything. And, indeed, it wouldn't work forcing it on someone. The thing that we can do, and I've posted this elsewhere, is to be living examples. The most important thing is to live right yourself, and then others will see that and then follow. Now Im not talking about 9/11, 7/7 NWO etc, they are overall rather pointless subjects in the sense there isn't much we can do about them. The main thing is to not get caught up in the system that is designed to supress us. Usually the way to realising that there's such a system is by getting interested in conspiracies. Problem is that we cant stop conspiracies from happening, but if you life according to your highest sense of right, then these orchestrated events will not have any power or effect. This is something that D. Icke is moving into more and more now, and Im eager to see his upcoming book. I know that I've been talking a lot about this subject in my own writings too.

"Whether the system is intentional or incidental does not matter, it's the fact that you are caught in it that does."

//Daniel Young

[ngawaka19]

Don't you worry too much about what David is up to, ok? It's none of our business what he does in his private life, and he owes us nothing - not even an explanation. He's already given so much of himself. So, get on with uncovering the truth and exposing the agenda and don't mind David.

Let's help David, instead of looking to him for energy and guidance all the time. Time to stand on your own two feet and give David some space, ok?


right on tinmenace. brilliantly said.


and reptileslayer, I want to say i feel a huge amount of love for you (that don't come lightly). I went up the road for stores after I wrote that last post, ushered impatiently by my mate, and while I was there I couldn't stop thinking about you. I was too harsh (thats just me tryna find balance with the old warrior and the new wisdom). Im sorry if I hurt you, ka aroha. Who ever reads your thread will be thinking of you, and just know that no matter what, we are all in this together. Keep talking and reaching, I know there will always be someone there for you to bounce off and brainstorm with. Once this whole thing goes down, it will only be thru the experience of combating the illu's that will make us understand how too. I have such a strong urge to fight them that I don't care whether they are incredibly intelligent, and know what your thinking before you do, I'm gonna do my best to waste them. If I fall in the attempt, then my life won't of been in vain, I would be another one that has fallen for the fight. And William Cooper was one of the first, and if he gave his life to fight for the truth, leaving his babies behind, then this will give me the motivation and courage to carry on and to die for the cause. He will be in my thoughts always, to my last breath. so fear not, you can do it, we are here.

thinking of you
ngawaka19

[tinmenace]

right on tinmenace. brilliantly said.


;)

[1 2 free]

Am I missing something? David has a new booking coming out in a couple of months, he's giving a talking at Mt Shasta this month, he's just done two great radio interviews (with more promised), he still writes his weekly newsletter, he's still making his video webcasts, still updating his website regularly....he certainly hasn't disappeared anywhere. The only change is the changes he's personally going through (although I'm sure many of us are going through similar things) which he's talked about in his recent 'News For The Soul' interview and in a couple of his newsletters.

The last time he went through a huge change (early 1990s) resulted in a great big stack of books, talks all over the world, dozens of radio interviews, this website and forum, hundreds of articles, a stack of videos/dvds, etc.

We wouldn't be here on this forum without the last changes he went through so why worry about the changes he's going through now?

[herebynightfall]

Okay bear with me. I'm new to this wonderful forum.

---Well it seems I'm not the only who's having trouble coping with being a free soul in this systematic world. I'm glad you all are sharing this burden with me as we try and break through this massive deception. Just thought I'd say that.---

we should maybe start some topics of how various lifestyles and systems that we've grown accustomed to and content with, will have to change or be abolished completely, once this awakening occurs. I'm sure we will still need leadership and a new system. Or it will be anarchy for the worse if there is not. Considering the massive population that is Man.

If we have good plans for the future. that are logical and based on the fact that .. hey, we only need the bare neccessities for life, and if we can give each person the world those necesities, than every persons can live happily among eachother.

quoting bill hicks.. if we spent all that money we spend on war and weapons and 'defense' each year, on feeding and clothing the poor of the world.. which it would, many times over, we could explore life and space, both inner and outer, in peace.

food for thought.

[cheesedanish]

quote : "there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all."

Ok so we will start with you ... why dont you start a movement to get the above done? You dont need David for that?

I really believe David has done ALOT. Now its up to us. You and Me.

[freespark]

quoting bill hicks.. if we spent all that money we spend on war and weapons and 'defense' each year, on feeding and clothing the poor of the world.. which it would, many times over, we could explore life and space, both inner and outer, in peace.

food for thought.

:)

Quite! If this statement was brought to fruition...it would go a long way to solving the worlds/humanities problems. The mere fact that it isn't, just goes to show us where the priorities are. War/defense = money.

I read somewhere that the US has spent $600Billion on wars since 911. And i asked my self where all this money went...my answer was - into the pockets of the people who make weapons and build military bases. Ie: into the pockets of Bushes cronies.

Imagine how much good £600billion could do if it weren't being spent on killing people? God it's so sad that we prioritise death and destruction over life.

[chandrakavi]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys i'm off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shelfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

I don't believe he ever wanted FOLLOWERS,:( simply people who could wake up to the message he is trying to get across, "OPEN YOUR EYES AND GET OFF YOUR KNEES" ;),individuals interested in helping others wake up also to this truth. He did what he had to do, left the information ,to do a TRANSFORMATION in his books, videos DVDs, live talks,
It is clear, and he has said it ,that personalising things is not his intention,
he has simply found FELLOW TRAVELLERS,:) that create concience in different parts of the world. I also knew about the WORLD GOVERNMENT decades ago, and had never heard of David ICke, many years later found out accidently about him in the net. This only shows tha concience travels
through many of us ,some become channels up to a certain point,
and people who listen to us transformed(information without transformation is useless, it is only a mind thing, that information has to lead you into an experience). It is like taken a medicine, once it makes you healthy again,
you may be thankful but no longer need it, you are on your own thanks to that medicine ,and others who are still sick can use it until they become sane and healthy again. As a philosopher once said: "You do a Master a very poor favor if you remain a disciple, you have to be a master yourself":)
You got the information now? USE IT!;):D

[sevenworlds]

It's like that quote of Einstein's that Icke often reiterates about not fixing the problem with the same mindset that created it.

You can't fight these people or come at it with a standard, intellectual approach and hope to break it down. You can't look to leader figures to save you. That's the old conditioned mindset.

What we need is a new consciousness and that can only be found within. All the answers are within. We're so used to looking to others to fix all our problems. People like David can only lead us so far and then we have to take the jump ourselves.

I look at figures like David and Eckhart Tolle and Bob Marley and John Lennon as inspirational figures. They sort of point you in the right direction and you can use them as an example in your own life. Look at how they live, their actions, the ridicule they face as a sort of guide in your own life. You might be doing something completely different, maybe only coming into contact with a handful of people compared to them, but that doesn't matter. Whether you're with 10 people or 10,000 people you have to be yourself. We've all got a part to play, a task that we are here on earth for to help spread awareness and that's what we must find. It can only be found within. Look there and listen to that voice and you can't go wrong.

[holly_ocean]

recently been thinking that as i don't have an army or a supply of missiles , a bank, control of the mass media, the education system and other mind control tools etc all i can do is use my mind - maybe all we have is the power of creative thought and my guess is that is the most powerful thing we have. It's so underused and we are used to being so unconscious in the way we use our brains we have forgotten how powerful it is. Of course networking the information about what the current thought forms are producing is part of the deprogramming of our minds so that we can create something different. But if David Icke leaves that alone for a bit i think there are plenty of people who will carry on the good work in this area. Maybe he is by nature a trailblazer. Anyone seen www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Has it been mentioned on this forum?

[dark86]

maybe icke DOES have a tangeable plan. He is first helping to awake the masses and when there is enough people awake he may launch into his stage2. we just don't know.

for now, i am not sure what else he can do apart from write and talk about this stuff.

I mean if he arranged a protest, whats the point - history has shown us protests do nothing.

Icke does not want followers or to be a leader but unfortunately there will come a time when Icke surely must come up with something logistical.

[phoebe]

The only responsibility Icke, or anybody else for that matter, has is for themselves.
He presents information, it's YOUR responsibility what you do with it, if anything.
If you shift responsibility to Icke or * (insert other person here) YOU yourself are shirking like a mofo.

[herebynightfall]

Have you all not realized already?

Us that have already been touched by Mr. Icke already... we are the logisist that it will take to change.

We can start our revolution by freeing the people that are being slaughtered in mass numbers.

Read my thread... ' Beacon of Hope (I hope) ' ... for a possible mindset to begin the transformation.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=75174#post75174

Love always.

[reptileslayer]

The only responsibility Icke, or anybody else for that matter, has is for themselves.
He presents information, it's YOUR responsibility what you do with it, if anything.
If you shift responsibility to Icke or * (insert other person here) YOU yourself are shirking like a mofo.Dear me, The only way we are going to stop all this
is working together, that is one of the big problems, they are using against us all right now, us all being divided. So what use and how effective, are we as single humans 'looking out for ourselves' ????? my god thats why, we dont have any power to stop and deal with these illuminati lowlifes.

[phoebe]

Dear me, The only way we are going to stop all this
is working together, that is one of the big problems, they are using against us all right now, us all being divided. So what use and how effective, are we as single humans 'looking out for ourselves' ????? my god thats why, we dont have any power to stop and deal with these illuminati lowlifes.

Any problem you perceive only exists in your mind.
Choose to see the world differently, and you shall see a different world.
Remember life before someone told you there was a conspiracy?
You perceived no problem, therefore there wasn't one.
We are told by various authorities that to think of ourselves is to be selfish and that it is wrong.
What if the complete opposite were in fact true?
Focus on your own inner state, repair that, then see the world change around you.

You can only EVER control your own behaviour.
You should only ever seek to control your own behaviour.
If everybody took personal responsibility for themselves, things would right themselves pretty quickly.
You DO have the power, as a single part of the whole.

A single human being can do a lot of good.
(And a big group of single human beings can do even more good!)
Love is catching!
You can ensure that you give out what you would like to receive back.
You can project love and joy into the world and in doing so spread some love and joy to those around you who will in turn spread it to those around them...
You can raise happy, healthy, joyful children.
You can DO what you were put here to do...
and that is to BE.

[john white]

Wounded people = wounded world

Healed people = healed world

Therefore, healing oneself is part of healing the world

And always within our power: not "their's"

[phoebe]

Wounded people = wounded world

Healed people = healed world

Therefore, healing oneself is part of healing the world

And always within our power: not "their's"

Amen to that.

[reptileslayer]

Wounded people = wounded world

Healed people = healed world

Therefore, healing oneself is part of healing the world

And always within our power: not "their's"Its Very clear to me theres only a certain number of people capable of dealing with the illuminati, at this time and looking at the state most people are in, probably a long time to come as well. Its as straight forward as this, messing about and cleaning inside our own heads is NOT going to stop the illuminati is it! the only way to stop and deal with them, in a short space of time, which is all we have, is a combined direct clinical action. Not space cadeting it in our heads. (now if anyone replies to this post, please deal with the points i've made, not go into major tom mode thankyou)

[reptileslayer]

Any problem you perceive only exists in your mind.
Choose to see the world differently, and you shall see a different world.
Remember life before someone told you there was a conspiracy?
You perceived no problem, therefore there wasn't one.
We are told by various authorities that to think of ourselves is to be selfish and that it is wrong.
What if the complete opposite were in fact true?
Focus on your own inner state, repair that, then see the world change around you.

You can only EVER control your own behaviour.
You should only ever seek to control your own behaviour.
If everybody took personal responsibility for themselves, things would right themselves pretty quickly.
You DO have the power, as a single part of the whole.

A single human being can do a lot of good.
(And a big group of single human beings can do even more good!)
Love is catching!
You can ensure that you give out what you would like to receive back.
You can project love and joy into the world and in doing so spread some love and joy to those around you who will in turn spread it to those around them...
You can raise happy, healthy, joyful children.
You can DO what you were put here to do...
and that is to BE.Thats my point for things to change on the mind level, you need very very large numbers of people, to do that (and also be able to do that) which is not possible of course as most people are a million miles from being capable of that. As ive said in my original post nuts and bolts is the only way to deal with them at this time. (with all due respect you need to stop space cadeting)

[phoebe]

Its Very clear to me theres only a certain number of people capable of dealing with the illuminati, at this time and looking at the state most people are in, probably a long time to come as well. Its as straight forward as this, messing about and cleaning inside our own heads is NOT going to stop the illuminati is it! the only way to stop and deal with them, in a short space of time, which is all we have, is a combined direct clinical action. Not space cadeting it in our heads. (now if anyone replies to this post, please deal with the points i've made, not go into major tom mode thankyou)

Look.
Let me state it simply.
The world only exists in your mind.
That includes the illuminati.

[phoebe]

Thats my point for things to change on the mind level, you need very very large numbers of people, to do that (and also be able to do that) which is not possible of course as most people are a million miles from being capable of that. As ive said in my original post nuts and bolts is the only way to deal with them at this time. (with all due respect you need to stop space cadeting)

Absolute piffle.

The only person you need to change is yourself.
BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE AROUND YOU.
What do you think you can possibly DO 'against' some megalomaniac with huge resources who wants to go and blow people to smithereens?
Nothing. Or very close to it.

However, you do have control over your life, thoughts and actions.
That's all you will ever have control over.
It's quite a responsibility in itself, without putting the worries of the rest of the world on your shoulders.
As soon as you realise this you will be considerably happier and will save yourself a heart attack or two.

[dondaz]

people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

One of the messages David spreads is that we need to be our own leaders.

What do you want him to do, march up to Downing St with millions of people behind him shouting "We are not going along with you on this one darling!"

I'm sure David has his own plans and if the time comes for him to do something more than what he's been doing for all these years then he will do it in his own time and place, without people trying to force his hand.

[herebynightfall]

but why rest when you have such a strong feeling that the people will get behind you eventually. geniuses appear, and governments start to operate based on the people not on their agenda. because the people will demand to put in charge as leaders, those that represent there deepest and truest thoughts of peace and love.

leaders that are loyal to the people. and whenever they get corrupt and make decisions for there own needs (and we will know because our new media will be for us, and be for us as a world and not as a divided nation among other divided nations)

why rest until the simplicity of that shows itself to the people who can understand that.

for its possible to achieve that and not worry too much in the mean time trying to accomplish it.

love always.

[john white]

Its Very clear to me theres only a certain number of people capable of dealing with the illuminati, at this time and looking at the state most people are in, probably a long time to come as well. Its as straight forward as this, messing about and cleaning inside our own heads is NOT going to stop the illuminati is it! the only way to stop and deal with them, in a short space of time, which is all we have, is a combined direct clinical action. Not space cadeting it in our heads. (now if anyone replies to this post, please deal with the points i've made, not go into major tom mode thankyou)

What you havnt grasped is that the illuminati is a state of mind first and various people second: witch hunting people acheives nothing meaningful: the hydra grows new heads

We must remove the potential within the human collective psyche for the behaviour we know as "illuminai" to manifest, and to do that we must elevate human consciouness planetwide

Perhaps some direct actions might come about where we can expose key players with strong evidence and so on, and these things should be done: but if we think "fighting the illuminati" is just based on "get rothschild, get rockerfeller, get kissinger etc etc" then we simply havn't understood the real nature of the task, and we are thereofre more likely to fail

Rather than concerning ourselves with what each other do, I suggest concerning ourselves with: "What have I done?"

[herebynightfall]

i posted this on a different thread.. but it applies here as well.


i must be dreaming now but couldnt we send this message and many more, out to places like iran, iraq, and all of these predestined hot spots of the world. because if we did, and the general public knew about it. and we proclaimed OUR peace, no matter what the actions of 'our leaders in government' do or say to their 'leaders in government'

a message of... don't attack us (even though we know that You, the concious people of the nations don't want to) and we will help you back on your feet. help you learn our ways of thinking and why our actions have led to what they have, as we would love to learn about your way of thinking and understand how you as well have been suppressed by these elitist. should you choose to make this pact from one peoples nation to another.

government with us or not. because if our gov'ts are against us on that note than they are no governments of ours to represent us

lol sorry about the rant... just venting but hey its a dream of mine :rolleyes:

[reptileslayer]

One of the messages David spreads is that we need to be our own leaders.

What do you want him to do, march up to Downing St with millions of people behind him shouting "We are not going along with you on this one darling!"

I'm sure David has his own plans and if the time comes for him to do something more than what he's been doing for all these years then he will do it in his own time and place, without people trying to force his hand.In one word YES, he has advocated non compliance himself. It is stage one of the action against them. like the rest of us, he has no time for self indulgence, a man with his knowledge, is desperately needed by all the people, he has knowledge of how to break them down. I also have a high level of knowledge now, and i am putting myself forward for action against them now!
(what is everyone going to do space cadet it??? and duck and dive while our planet is burning)

[ninpo]

If the planet has to rely on people like on this thread:(, we are fucked.

[cruise4]

The message, especially 9/11 is already going around places like Iran and Iraq. Even Soldiers are becoming more aware of this stuff. The fight against the NWO is worldwide, even the Chinese people are starting to grumble. Across the EU the message is spreading. There is a growing Global disatisfaction.... not quick enough for me, but getting there.

[mk72]

Why oh why do we always ask for someone to lead us? When will we ever realize that this is exactly the attitude that got us here in the first place?

I’ve read a lot of threads on this forum lately, complaining that David is not doing anything, and I finally realized what it is. People think it is too simple, it’s impossible. David’s message and solution to this problem is to create the reality you want to live. They simply think it can’t be that easy! If you understand the nature of reality you know that this a fundamental principal to create change. You don’t have to do anything else. If you live your truth you will influence other people, you will affect other people. Remember the 100 monkey syndrome?

We are connected together through the matrix, our consciousness is connected – that is how change comes about. Tell people about these things even if they don’t believe it, don’t force them – plant the seed. We treat everyone around us with love and respect, we live in compassion, and we speak up with passion when we see through their lies – those are the things that bring about change.

Remind yourself that David has been doing this for 20 years – how long have you been awake? The moment you realize the lies and illusion you get exited and mad and want to do something – and it good, do as much as you can, but you already have the power in you, just remember he has done his part and he doesn’t see life as a 3 dimensional illusion anymore and the nature of his momentum has changed with his understanding of the system. He understands how change can happen – just like many others like him, they are saying now what he’s been saying for years, Michael Tsarion, Gregg Braden, William Henry, Arizona Wilder, Freeman and many more are saying now exactly the same thing.

They all say that if we change ourselves and become authentic and start living on a higher energy frequency we are the platform for the next generation to create another state of being. We are transmitters of energy – if we transmit another frequency others will pick it up and we even carry it through to the next generation with our DNA. You have to realize it otherwise conspiracy theories can become you focus and your religion and then you have done nothing to change it. This is not hokus pokus and it’s not new age – it is science and reality.

[john white]

In one word YES, he has advocated non compliance himself. It is stage one of the action against them. like the rest of us, he has no time for self indulgence, a man with his knowledge, is desperately needed by all the people, he has knowledge of how to break them down. I also have a high level of knowledge now, and i am putting myself forward for action against them now!
(what is everyone going to do space cadet it??? and duck and dive while our planet is burning)

Well thats great: make some strong positive threads about how to break them down: but its a waste of energy to say: "hey other people doing what feels right to you, you should be doing the same as me", when you havnt laid out what you are doing: and even so, conformity is the problem, not the solution: if we didnt conform, there wouldnt be a NWO system! so find those who resonnate with you and co-operate with them, but let others do what they are called to do

[holly_ocean]

Well thats great: make some strong positive threads about how to break them down: but its a waste of energy to say: "hey other people doing what feels right to you, you should be doing the same as me", when you havnt laid out what you are doing: and even so, conformity is the problem, not the solution: if we didnt conform, there wouldnt be a NWO system! so find those who resonnate with you and co-operate with them, but let others do what they are called to do

yay!!!
and lets hear these plans!!!!
then those who are up for the various ones can join them
my thing is going for a change in consiousness - i know its not original lol

[holly_ocean]

If the planet has to rely on people like on this thread:(, we are fucked.

lol
keep on it
we can make new threads....
i'm quite new here and have already got myself in trouble:D

[reptileslayer]

If the planet has to rely on people like on this thread:(, we are fucked.I could not agree more my friend, the general public dont really have a clue, about whats really going on, and those that the penny does start to drop with, usually go into denial mode anyway, what i'm seeing on this thread and forum, is good people who have engaged their brains, and learned some of the truth, but instead of taking direct action, they are ducking and diving, from facing these scumbags, by going into major tom mode.

[reptileslayer]

What you havnt grasped is that the illuminati is a state of mind first and various people second: witch hunting people acheives nothing meaningful: the hydra grows new heads

We must remove the potential within the human collective psyche for the behaviour we know as "illuminai" to manifest, and to do that we must elevate human consciouness planetwide

Perhaps some direct actions might come about where we can expose key players with strong evidence and so on, and these things should be done: but if we think "fighting the illuminati" is just based on "get rothschild, get rockerfeller, get kissinger etc etc" then we simply havn't understood the real nature of the task, and we are thereofre more likely to fail

Rather than concerning ourselves with what each other do, I suggest concerning ourselves with: "What have I done?"You are a good man Mr White, i've read some of your posts recently, i will get back to you shortly, to address your points.

[reptileslayer]

yay!!!
and lets hear these plans!!!!
then those who are up for the various ones can join them
my thing is going for a change in consiousness - i know its not original lolHi you come accross as a nice person, i will post some of my ideas on how to deal with this mess very soon. so keep on looking here ok.

[phoebe]

What you havnt grasped is that the illuminati is a state of mind first and various people second: witch hunting people acheives nothing meaningful: the hydra grows new heads

We must remove the potential within the human collective psyche for the behaviour we know as "illuminai" to manifest, and to do that we must elevate human consciouness planetwide

Perhaps some direct actions might come about where we can expose key players with strong evidence and so on, and these things should be done: but if we think "fighting the illuminati" is just based on "get rothschild, get rockerfeller, get kissinger etc etc" then we simply havn't understood the real nature of the task, and we are thereofre more likely to fail

Rather than concerning ourselves with what each other do, I suggest concerning ourselves with: "What have I done?"

Beautiful!

[holly_ocean]

thanks reptileslayer for such a positive response
i will now settle down to watch the rest of zeitgeistthe movie a happy woman and i will be back to hear what you have to say

[phoebe]

If the planet has to rely on people like on this thread:(, we are fucked.

Again, you shouldn't rely on anybody other than yourself.
If you think something needs doing. DO IT!
Stop looking to other people to do it for you.
Get off your arse and BE this change you want to see.
You are one of the people on this thread, and this is the best comment you could make, pointing to other people and saying 'they're not doing enough!'?
How 'reliable' does that make you?

[davidbarstis]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys i'm off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shelfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

I think someone posted a while back something similar to what you are saying reptileslayer so I am going to say this again and I hope maybe someone will see what I'm saying.
Feeling that the illuminati needs to be taken out physically is pointless because there are VERY few people I have ever met, whose version of what the world should be like, I would want to live in. Where do people get the idea that if the Elite were removed from the picture, the world would automatically be a wonderful place? It wouldn't. It would be just as fucked up(excuse my language), maybe SLIGHTLY less so. Dealing with flesh and blood people everyday, quite frankly their view of the world and their moral priorities are scary. The Illuminati are a reflection of us and the world will not heal until we decide to heal, plain and simple.
It's true, we shouldn't be sitting on our butts contemplating everything, but what we need to do on an individual basis is change your life to where you don't rely on anything that benefits the Illuminati. Very few people want to get rid of their toys and would rather take the Elite out instead and keep what they have. The cell phones, computers, fast food, cars, etc, etc. I'm trying to slowly do these things but it is a slow process and someday I probably wont even have a computer or internet anymore. Not that everyone has to do that but even though some good comes out of the internet, it's Illuminati created and controlled.
If everyone stopped being afraid and was willing to break free of the Illuminati, they would cease to exist because they would have no one to work for them, pay their taxes, buy their products, fight in their armies. So in a way you can THINK them out of existence but we must take ACTION and actually start doing these things.
That's where the REAL challenge is and the one most people are not willing to do and the only thing that will really make a difference in this world. The mentality of PHYSICALLY removing the Illuminati is actually Illuminati thinking. If they were gone, people would not be smarter or more moral and less controlling. If anything angers me more, it's not the Illuminati, it's how stupid and apathetic people have become. I see everyday here in the US, people just don't give a crap anymore and yet they think we are a morally superior country. What a bunch of bullocks! These people aren't fighting wars because they care (no matter how much they say it), they do it because they have an excuse to be violent and they WANT there to be bad guys in the world who they can blame for all the imbalances they have in their own lives. It makes them feel better about themselves. No one wants to take responsibilty for how twisted the world has become.
So, for me, DI went from telling us how on a physical level we have been controlled and showed us the proof so that we have something to go by. And now that most of us here have seen enough proof to say, yes in fact I see that the world has been manipulated by a relative few throughout history, to know showing us that it actually is all an illusion that we have created, so lets uncreate it. Not let's chop the Illuminatis bloody heads off so we can go back to hating each other.
I know that when peole TRULY start to change inside, which will reflect on the outside, the Illuminati will start to fade into nothingness because the energy source will be gone. When people hold onto anger and hate even towards the Illuminati, that energy source will still be there for something to grow. Something would take the reptilians place. Imagine if it were all Micheal Jacksons hiding behind human form? I would welcome the reptilians back.

[herebynightfall]

you might enjoy this perspective david... and others are welcome

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6058

i'd like to hear others opinions and maybe get some action going

[davidbarstis]

you might enjoy this perspective david... and others are welcome

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6058

i'd like to hear others opinions and maybe get some action going

Thank you herebynightfall, I did enjoy that perspective.

[herebynightfall]

gracias dave

hm. hoping some people can get involved in my whacky ideals and help me out.

[reptileslayer]

gracias dave

hm. hoping some people can get involved in my whacky ideals and help me out.I'm here to help, just let me know what you need, and i will do my best to help ok.

[king]

the time comes when training wheels on your bike need to come off.
translation: sooner or later each of us need to stop worrying what some leader/guru/researcher/idol is saying and doing.

once you know who you are and where you are going to -- you do not need
guidance from without, you begin to rely on guidance from within.

so, think of Icke and many others as the training wheels on your bicycle.

Now, you are off your first bicycle and you are riding a Kawasaki race bike, and i do not think that those come with the training wheels.
:D
So, stop worrying what Icke or others think. Allow them to follow their own paths as they allow you to follow your own.

i have high regard for those who tell you to reach for your own center and to follow your own path because that is the first step towards freeing yourself.

God knows we do not need more gurus but more self-leaders...

[reptileslayer]

What you havnt grasped is that the illuminati is a state of mind first and various people second: witch hunting people acheives nothing meaningful: the hydra grows new heads

We must remove the potential within the human collective psyche for the behaviour we know as "illuminai" to manifest, and to do that we must elevate human consciouness planetwide

Perhaps some direct actions might come about where we can expose key players with strong evidence and so on, and these things should be done: but if we think "fighting the illuminati" is just based on "get rothschild, get rockerfeller, get kissinger etc etc" then we simply havn't understood the real nature of the task, and we are thereofre more likely to fail

Rather than concerning ourselves with what each other do, I suggest concerning ourselves with: "What have I done?"
Hello john, I feel that i've got to say this to you, but i'm seriously fed up of people going into denial, or ducking and diving with metaphysics, while this bunch of interbred psychopaths butcher us all. Sorry no time for space cadet love ect, PURE AND SIMPLE THESE LOWLIFES NEED REMOVING AND REMOVING NOW BEFORE THEY DO MORE DAMAGE. you will be lucky if theres one percent of the population, who remotely understand what icke says is 'the solution' yes in 500 years time, when humans are grown up enough to practice it. lets get real, on earth right now, the only solution is, to face and remove them. God its so obvious. And i really do feel john that removing the puppets and locking up the main bloodline families (then investigate them for as long as it takes without explanation of arrest because we all know that they are the real terrorists) Then put the lid tight on their political system, in other words change it. Then the hydra doesn't come back does it. And i think that will be a dammed good start john. we have not the time to mess about with metaphysics, because if we let them go down their agenda road too far, they will even, take our own ability to even think for ourselves. Oh one more thing john just saying theres no point in taking out the rothschilds ect, because they will come back, thats like saying don't deal with serial killers ect because their will be more in the future. Clearly defeatist logic john. Regards Reptileslayer.

[reptileslayer]

Why oh why do we always ask for someone to lead us? When will we ever realize that this is exactly the attitude that got us here in the first place?

I’ve read a lot of threads on this forum lately, complaining that David is not doing anything, and I finally realized what it is. People think it is too simple, it’s impossible. David’s message and solution to this problem is to create the reality you want to live. They simply think it can’t be that easy! If you understand the nature of reality you know that this a fundamental principal to create change. You don’t have to do anything else. If you live your truth you will influence other people, you will affect other people. Remember the 100 monkey syndrome?

We are connected together through the matrix, our consciousness is connected – that is how change comes about. Tell people about these things even if they don’t believe it, don’t force them – plant the seed. We treat everyone around us with love and respect, we live in compassion, and we speak up with passion when we see through their lies – those are the things that bring about change.

Remind yourself that David has been doing this for 20 years – how long have you been awake? The moment you realize the lies and illusion you get exited and mad and want to do something – and it good, do as much as you can, but you already have the power in you, just remember he has done his part and he doesn’t see life as a 3 dimensional illusion anymore and the nature of his momentum has changed with his understanding of the system. He understands how change can happen – just like many others like him, they are saying now what he’s been saying for years, Michael Tsarion, Gregg Braden, William Henry, Arizona Wilder, Freeman and many more are saying now exactly the same thing.

They all say that if we change ourselves and become authentic and start living on a higher energy frequency we are the platform for the next generation to create another state of being. We are transmitters of energy – if we transmit another frequency others will pick it up and we even carry it through to the next generation with our DNA. You have to realize it otherwise conspiracy theories can become you focus and your religion and then you have done nothing to change it. This is not hokus pokus and it’s not new age – it is science and reality.Most people on this planet are NOT capable of what you are advocating, therefore its not a solution, to deal with these lowlifes right now on earth is it! please read below what ive left for john white on this thread. Really its for everybody to read and take in.

Hello john, I feel that i've got to say this to you, but i'm seriously fed up of people going into denial, or ducking and diving with metaphysics, while this bunch of interbred psychopaths butcher us all. Sorry no time for space cadet love ect, PURE AND SIMPLE THESE LOWLIFES NEED REMOVING AND REMOVING NOW BEFORE THEY DO MORE DAMAGE. you will be lucky if theres one percent of the population, who remotely understand what icke says is 'the solution' yes in 500 years time, when humans are grown up enough to practice it. lets get real, on earth right now, the only solution is, to face and remove them. God its so obvious. And i really do feel john that removing the puppets and locking up the main bloodline families (then investigate them for as long as it takes without explanation of arrest because we all know that they are the real terrorists) Then put the lid tight on their political system, in other words change it. Then the hydra doesn't come back does it. And i think that will be a dammed good start john. we have not the time to mess about with metaphysics, because if we let them go down their agenda road too far, they will even, take our own ability to even think for themselves. Oh one more thing john just saying theres no point in taking out the rothschilds ect, because they will come back, thats like saying don't deal with serial killers ect because their will be more in the future. Clearly defeatist logic john. Regards Reptileslayer.

[reptileslayer]

Beautiful!pheobe please read and take in the
reply that i've left for john white, as it applies to us all, including you lady. Then
maybe you will join us in the fight against them, instead of hiding in a comfy
cyberworld in your own head.

[john white]

Hello john, I feel that i've got to say this to you, but i'm seriously fed up of people going into denial, or ducking and diving with metaphysics, while this bunch of interbred psychopaths butcher us all. Sorry no time for space cadet love ect, PURE AND SIMPLE THESE LOWLIFES NEED REMOVING AND REMOVING NOW BEFORE THEY DO MORE DAMAGE. you will be lucky if theres one percent of the population, who remotely understand what icke says is 'the solution' yes in 500 years time, when humans are grown up enough to practice it. lets get real, on earth right now, the only solution is, to face and remove them. God its so obvious. And i really do feel john that removing the puppets and locking up the main bloodline families (then investigate them for as long as it takes without explanation of arrest because we all know that they are the real terrorists) Then put the lid tight on their political system, in other words change it. Then the hydra doesn't come back does it. And i think that will be a dammed good start john. we have not the time to mess about with metaphysics, because if we let them go down their agenda road too far, they will even, take our own ability to even think for ourselves. Oh one more thing john just saying theres no point in taking out the rothschilds ect, because they will come back, thats like saying don't deal with serial killers ect because their will be more in the future. Clearly defeatist logic john. Regards Reptileslayer.

Well your angry and your passionate, and I understand that, I've been plenty angry and plenty passionate myself. All paths are open to us, so the route of revolution and revenge is most certainly open for you. But its not the path I've chosen to walk, becuase thats what walking my path has taught me.

I'm not like Icke, in that I would not say I would never fight no matter what, but I genuinely believe that fighting is not the best way: for one thing as soon as we are sure that "the enemy is over there" it is the work of a child to infiltrate, manipulate and pervert. Its a tough truth but its the truth: becuase the enemy is NOT "over there"and never has been: the Enemy is INSIDE: and when we see a Rothschild or a Rockerfeller or a whoever, all we see is a man who is losing his fight against his inner enemy: he is a pathetic miserable creature, whose wealth turns to ashes inside his soul

You may be right that what I work for will not come for hundreds of years: you may be not right: but regardless, I will work for that end becuase its by individual people dedicating themselves to working for that end even if they never see it in their lifetime that the end will come about: we might call that a lesson learned from the illuminati! And the Love in the Soul is more than adequate to sustain a man in that task: it is a path to be followed becuase it IS right

so if you see my path as futile and wish to pursue your own, then I wish you all the best with it: and hope you extend the same best wishes for me as I walk my own

but you know:

My heart tells me that it really is all to play for, and what we chose to make our lives about is the only way we will ever see our dreams made manifest, whatever they may be

[celtic isis]

ka aroha koe (compassion for you) reptile slayer. I know that it would seem this way to you, it is quite easy, when been given information that is quite shocking and then to be left to deal with it. This may seem hard and unkind when I say it, but believe me you are recieving love from me when I do,

- we can't suckle on the tit for all of our lives
- there is something called a back bone which incredible as it seems we all have one
- co dependancy is laziness
- you have the same knowledge within the depths of your intelligence that we all do

those are actually harsh things to say to you, i'm sorry if it hurts you, I think they could strengthen you though. Don't hesitate to tell me I'm out of line.

I live miles away from where D I and his team do, my country is at least 50 years behind the rest of the world. I knew this information way before I clicked on to this forum, now if I knew this, you've got to ask, where did I get the information from if I didn't know D I existed.............

I got on a bender and didn't stop looking, I looked everywhere, the net, the library, I spoke to people that had experienced sightings and I trusted my own intuition.

We are lucky that D even gave us any information he didn't have to he could of kept it for himself. The fact that he has taken a few steps back could be for any reason, he might be ailing, he might be exhausted, he might have a family member that needs him, or this could even be his way of strengthening us, making us do some work too.

Again, I say this, judge not or u will be judged yourself. How can we analyse a situation when we truely do not know what has gone on within the centre of it. We seem to think that its simply cut and dried. When we stop to think, anything could of happened to make him step down for a bit, the possibility's open to an endless orb.

What we do have is a head start on the rest of the world, with this make of it what you will, the info is there, this forum is there to hold all of our hands. And if you read enough of this forum all the answers are there, we are told time and time again how to combat these crime mungers that rule our world unlawfully. And if you still don't know, its love and forgiveness. With the mass consciousness that can be developed from every human on earth, that is what will combat these sods. We must stop fighting each other, we must join together........as bob marley said......

UNITE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL PEOPLE

oooh la! that's a bit harsh isn't it! who's suckling on tits, we ain't that's for sure excuse me!

Isn't that why we're on this site?

Anyone who thinks that we can love and think the illuminati plot out of existance is even more doomed than the rest of us, seeing as sadly most people are so bloody selfish they couldn't give a toss about their fellow human beings how exactly are we meant to bond together and think this mess out of existance that's been anchored purely through people's indifference to anything but themselves and their wants and needs.

Screw the rest of the planet, that's so many people's attitude and i find it time and time again each time i try and wake people up and observing life around me in gereral. Not within my close circle, as i and my loved ones have found the way and are happy no matter what, i'm referring to other people here. Other people which i do care about too as i see we are all a whole even though they act like bastards.

We have to find another way. We'll see what icke has to offer in his next installment, love is only part of the answer, not THE answer. And the love part is really only to help ourselves first and then in turn if enough people cop on we may get somewhere.


You're right reptileslayer, and you have a right to say what you did in your post without getting condescending crap like this back at you. :rolleyes:

fuck bob marley lol he didn't do shit.

[reptileslayer]

Well your angry and your passionate, and I understand that, I've been plenty angry and plenty passionate myself. All paths are open to us, so the route of revolution and revenge is most certainly open for you. But its not the path I've chosen to walk, becuase thats what walking my path has taught me.

I'm not like Icke, in that I would not say I would never fight no matter what, but I genuinely believe that fighting is not the best way: for one thing as soon as we are sure that "the enemy is over there" it is the work of a child to infiltrate, manipulate and pervert. Its a tough truth but its the truth: becuase the enemy is NOT "over there"and never has been: the Enemy is INSIDE: and when we see a Rothschild or a Rockerfeller or a whoever, all we see is a man who is losing his fight against his inner enemy: he is a pathetic miserable creature, whose wealth turns to ashes inside his soul

You may be right that what I work for will not come for hundreds of years: you may be not right: but regardless, I will work for that end becuase its by individual people dedicating themselves to working for that end even if they never see it in their lifetime that the end will come about: we might call that a lesson learned from the illuminati! And the Love in the Soul is more than adequate to sustain a man in that task: it is a path to be followed becuase it IS right

so if you see my path as futile and wish to pursue your own, then I wish you all the best with it: and hope you extend the same best wishes for me as I walk my own

but you know:

My heart tells me that it really is all to play for, and what we chose to make our lives about is the only way we will ever see our dreams made manifest, whatever they may beOk fair comments john, your own path is entirely your own rightful choice, (and i really respect that john) but personally i am totally convinced that if they are not faced head on, (i know its not perfect but its all we've got now) they will destroy everything here. Regards Reptileslayer.
Ps: Best wishes with your path john, but please don't let them take your mind away.

[herebynightfall]

sadly most people are so bloody selfish they couldn't give a toss about their fellow human beings how exactly are we meant to bond together and think this mess out of existance that's been anchored purely through people's indifference to anything but themselves and their wants and needs.

Screw the rest of the planet, that's so many people's attitude and i find it time and time again each time i try and wake people up and observing life around me in gereral. Not within my close circle, as i and my loved ones have found the way and are happy no matter what, i'm referring to other people here. Other people which i do care about too as i see we are all a whole even though they act like bastards.

funny that you say that. yesterday i was lightly ranting to a female friend of mine. about how people are getting slaughtered every day.. and showed her this thread that i started...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6058

... her response was. "i don't get it. why do you care. i understand it but i just dont care, why do you always show me stuff like this?"

so i dont know it makes me wonder :*P

[john white]

Ok fair comments john, your own path is entirely your own rightful choice, (and i really respect that john) but personally i am totally convinced that if they are not faced head on, (i know its not perfect but its all we've got now) they will destroy everything here. Regards Reptileslayer.
Ps: Best wishes with you path john, but please don't let them take your mind away.

You know I'm just thinking about this a little more

You said:

And i really do feel john that removing the puppets and locking up the main bloodline families (then investigate them for as long as it takes without explanation of arrest because we all know that they are the real terrorists) Then put the lid tight on their political system, in other words change it.

And I thought I should mention that I've done a lot (well, a fair contribution) to make this happen, especially with my work for 9/11 Truth. It seems to me its important to recognise the difference not in what we do, but where we do it from

Theres no doubt that the exposure of 9/11 truth has been a force weakening the control of the system and increasing the willingness of people to question: when Fox TV calls it "The 9/11 Truth Virus" we know something is going right. and 9/11 Truth, with all the rabbit holes it leads off down, has also made it more likely than ever that the power of the elites will be broken, and they will be cast down into Jail and so on

And all that is true, and I am very happy about it:

BUT

Its not why I've done it

I've promoted 9/11 Truth becuase it is Truth

The exposure of Truth to the people inevitably leads to certain movements in "society" (the collective unconcious) as a natural consequence of its psychic cleansing: and this is all within the realms of natural reactions and the choices of free will: but i don't concern myself with trying to make that happen: I don't need to, it happens as a consequence of the energy it holds

My only concern is with Truth, and the clarity of vision it brings: nice and simple and quite unstoppable

Oh one more thing john just saying theres no point in taking out the rothschilds ect, because they will come back, thats like saying don't deal with serial killers ect because their will be more in the future. Clearly defeatist logic john

I'd just like to pick up this point too

I would not see myself as defeatest: far from it: a man who knows himself is undefeatable, even if his body is atomised: it is a matter of "Hah! Kill me? Is that all you've got? Wimps! Becuase you can't break me, and that will break YOU"

Its pragmatism: we can cut off the heads of the hydra, and its true that may provide some respite: What I mean to express however is if we do not understand the nature of the Hydra, if we do not understand that it is the collective mind of the people that created the hydra in the first place from all the acumulation of tiny abdications of self responsibility, its Return is inevitable

This is the difference between a true solution and some temporary relief

Here I would say my purpose is the same as Ickes: to take the highest perespectives of truth that I can access and earth them as solidly as possible into the collective mind around me

[dondaz]

PURE AND SIMPLE THESE LOWLIFES NEED REMOVING AND REMOVING NOW BEFORE THEY DO MORE DAMAGE. you will be lucky if theres one percent of the population, who remotely understand what icke says is 'the solution' yes in 500 years time, when humans are grown up enough to practice it. lets get real, on earth right now, the only solution is, to face and remove them.

This is also what I believe right now. I'm not interested in the 'try 'em & fry 'em' point of view. Lock em up and give the wealth back to the people.

investigate them for as long as it takes without explanation of arrest because we all know that they are the real terrorists)

Treat them as they have treated us? I don't think that part would work very well. You would have to tell them why. Those people are the ultimate deniers and to have them know that we know and we are doing something about it would fuck with their heads until they rot.


for one thing as soon as we are sure that "the enemy is over there" it is the work of a child to infiltrate, manipulate and pervert. Its a tough truth but its the truth: becuase the enemy is NOT "over there"and never has been: the Enemy is INSIDE: and when we see a Rothschild or a Rockerfeller or a whoever, all we see is a man who is losing his fight against his inner enemy: he is a pathetic miserable creature, whose wealth turns to ashes inside his soul

I understand and agree with you here John, though these people(whatever) don't see themselves quite like this, as you know. As you say John, people see the enemy as over there, rather than inside themselves and I think this is a good place to start with waking people up.

I've been caught in and aware of the big brother system most of my life, but it has only been 21 mths sinse I woke up to the agenda and the history behind it all.

Now, I've read many a thread regarding the first and second awakening and now believe I'm looking for this next level, 2nd, as it were and I'm finding it quite a learning curve to get to grips with some of this infomation.

From my experience most people don't realise they have billions of individual living organisms inside their own body and to convince these people that they are a spiritual force inside a biological spacesuit and they can unlock powers they had never dreamed of inside their own spirit. It's no wonder that when I was told these things many times in the past that I treated them with kid gloves and politely nutted them off.

I myself don't think this way about such things anymore, thankfully, but this is one of the walls we have to penetrate in order to reach ourselves I suppose.

For me awakening is a stepping stone process, incorporating horses for courses along the way, for we are all different in that which would make us curious to open our eyes and look further.

The View From The Rabbit Hole is a good example of reaching people someone like Alex Jones could never get to.

Theres no doubt that the exposure of 9/11 truth has been a force weakening the control of the system and increasing the willingness of people to question: when Fox TV calls it "The 9/11 Truth Virus" we know something is going right. and 9/11 Truth, with all the rabbit holes it leads off down, has also made it more likely than ever that the power of the elites will be broken, and they will be cast down into Jail and so on

Great work you have been doing there too!


We have to find another way. We'll see what icke has to offer in his next installment, love is only part of the answer, not THE answer. And the love part is really only to help ourselves first and then in turn if enough people cop on we may get somewhere.

To be truthful I would love to see David do something different, not that his work isn't diverse, but in the sense of massive publicity stunts that would get out to the masses. I'm not talking about climbing rooftops dressed as batman (imagine Mr Icke doing that?:D).

I'm sure Oasis would give him a 30 min spot before they go on stage to get the message out.

Stuff like this I would love to see!

But as I said above:

I'm sure David has his own plans and if the time comes for him to do something more than what he's been doing for all these years then he will do it in his own time and place, without people trying to force his hand.

I would not see myself as defeatest: far from it: a man who knows himself is undefeatable, even if his body is atomised: it is a matter of "Hah! Kill me? Is that all you've got? Wimps! Becuase you can't break me, and that will break YOU"

See, this where I still have one foot in their box:eek:

[herebynightfall]

dondaz you'd like this

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6058

ya know i just thought about it. if we can get in touch with these middle eastern countries. iraq specifically i suppose. wow we might be able to do some damage in the matrix. cause a riff if you would. lol

it's all about how we go about it. and wording everything just about perfectly.

[john white]

The View From The Rabbit Hole is a good example of reaching people someone like Alex Jones could never get to.

Wouldnt I have loved half an hour to interview that Rothschild, AJ really threw that recent opportunity away. I'd have turned his "responsibility for the planet" line right around on him with the responsibility his family bears for orchestrating the system that got the planet into its current position (environmental crisis real or imaginary): and I'd have done it with courtesy in a way Rothschild would not have been able to deflect. Ranting at him that he is "evil scum and I vow infinate War against you" made it all too easy for AJ to be shown up as emotionally unhinged. Raw passion is strength in some circumstances, but a decided weakness in others

And its absolutely true, The Rabbit Hole talk/film (which was in itself is just an early experiment) was 100% designed to reach the people on an empathic intuitive level a style like AJ's couldn't reach

From my experience most people don't realise they have billions of individual living organisms inside their own body and to convince these people that they are a spiritual force inside a biological spacesuit and they can unlock powers they had never dreamed of inside their own spirit. It's no wonder that when I was told these things many times in the past that I treated them with kid gloves and politely nutted them off.

Wonderful insight dondaz :D

For me awakening is a stepping stone process, incorporating horses for courses along the way, for we are all different in that which would make us curious to open our eyes and look further.

Whatever lever works: right tool for the right job is best!

I'm sure David has his own plans and if the time comes for him to do something more than what he's been doing for all these years then he will do it in his own time and place, without people trying to force his hand.

Thats absolutely how it is: Icke has more to give, I can feel it

I would not see myself as defeatest: far from it: a man who knows himself is undefeatable, even if his body is atomised: it is a matter of "Hah! Kill me? Is that all you've got? Wimps! Becuase you can't break me, and that will break YOU"

See, this where I still have one foot in their box

LOL! Well I know what you mean

I'll shoot myself in the foot after saying I would not see myself as defeatest, by saying there is a special power in the acceptance of defeat (its an odd one this, so bear with me)

You see, we are defined by what we love and what we fear, and which, if either, we allow to dominate us

And what, as people dedicating themselves to transforming this world, do we fear most?

We fear that all our efforts may come to naught, that nothing we do will make a difference, that all the nightmares will come true, that we will become but ashes scattered in the void, our lives and efforts a meaningless waste

And as long as we fear these things, we are vunerable: becuase whatever we fear, Big Brother will find and use to break us, push comes to grunt

Yet if we embrace our fear, accept our failure, submit to our meaninglessness and take ownership of the futility of our dreams but still know ourselves (as infinite and inviolate) and DO IT ANYWAY

Then we cannot fail: we can only succeed: and liberated from the ties that bind, free of the significance of fear, we become the very vessels for the strength of GOD

Becuase we are not coming from within the rules of the Matrix: we are not subject to petty duality: We Come From Source

O MY FRIENDS

Have ye forgotten that true and radiant morn, when in those hallowed and blessed surroundings ye were all gathered in My presence beneath the shade of the tree of life, which is planted in the all glorious paradise? Awe struck ye listened as I gave utterance to these most holy words:

"O friends! Prefer not your will to Mine, never desire that which I have not desired for you, and approach Me not with lifeless hearts, defiled with wordly desires and cravings."

Would ye but sanctify your souls, ye would at this present hour recall that place and those surroundings, and the truth of my utterance should be made evident unto all of you

When we harmonise with the ONE, we all "go home"

[phoebe]

pheobe please read and take in the
reply that i've left for john white, as it applies to us all, including you lady. Then
maybe you will join us in the fight against them, instead of hiding in a comfy
cyberworld in your own head.

Believe me when I tell you I've been there.
The only thing you need to realise is that there is nothing to fight!
The problem exists only in your mind.
(As does everything else.)
There is nothing in your life that exists outside of your mind.
(What you fight you become).
You can't change the world without
Without changing with world within.

Let me also tell you that the space inside your head is the least comfy place you're ever likely to come across.
In fact, it's the source of all your problems, unhappiness and perceived nightmares.

Much love...
Phoebe x

[dondaz]

Thats absolutely how it is: Icke has more to give, I can feel it


Oh yes!

[chandrakavi]

:)

Quite! If this statement was brought to fruition...it would go a long way to solving the worlds/humanities problems. The mere fact that it isn't, just goes to show us where the priorities are. War/defense = money.

I read somewhere that the US has spent $600Billion on wars since 911. And i asked my self where all this money went...my answer was - into the pockets of the people who make weapons and build military bases. Ie: into the pockets of Bushes cronies.

Imagine how much good £600billion could do if it weren't being spent on killing people? God it's so sad that we prioritise death and destruction over life.

That has ALWAYS been the problem FREESARK, Man has never known true
Peace, Nations and NATIONALISM , can only promote the opposite, Nations are only a preparation for war, so while we feel and believe we are leaving in peace, the vested interests are planning a war in order to keep the weapon selling business going ,the best business after drug selling. We just want to forget about, but they don't forget, as you say, they live out of that.
Just as David Icke sasks IF THE ENTIRE WORLD WANTS PEACE, WHY DO WE HAVE WAR? what is behind all this? what for?. Some swallow the NATIONALIST IDEA OF DYING FOR THEIR COUNTRY, while others who stay at home, do nothing, never go to fight the war they started, get the profits,
so war is MONEY, MONEY ,MONEY, every bomb that is dropped costs money. If the military were not allowed to use their weapons, their industry
would feel the yare losing money. The bigger the war, and the longer, the more profit that is earned at the cost of thousands that die, Fair? NO it never has been, WAR IS A TERRIBLE THING.
If someone where able to PAY THEM FOR NOT GOING TO WAR, it would be the answer, but it has not happened yet. I don't see human evolution to stop this.

ALL empieres have allwayss been based on war and conquest. The Roman Empire, Germany in WWII, only an Empire that besides being armed is also interested in wisdom like Atlantis and before that ,can have WISE RULERS,
if what we have is all done for the profit and human beings mere commodities
to be used and die for the war business, we all know this is a system not made for us, :(

Very few rulers like MARCOS AURELIO, who was interested in passing wisdom to his people, wrote books on meditation, and knew when the right time to leave was. People like that just don't exist anymore. To them THERE IS NO LIFE BEYOND POWER, someone has to convince them that there is much more life outside power, life flows full, not with the void of power ,wheree people only act as part of a maffia, part of the masses, not individuals with destructive instincts, AND NO CREATIVITY.:cool:

So creating concience in this generation and the next and the next is what Intelligence agencies are afraid of, they want people to be part of the system, the matrix, if people are outside the matrix they feel they will lose
CONTROL, they know nothing else. But David Icke, centuries ago Masters from the East ahve left their seed, and the WEST although very slow is catching on, I hope this continues . After they kill leaders of conciience, lots of books are written on them ,and then after years they are studied in the University ,so people don't have guilty feelings about anything, not even them who have planned the killing.
So concience , waking people up is the only way, and wish the ones in power, be the first ones to wake up and do so.

[ngawaka19]

oooh la! that's a bit harsh isn't it! who's suckling on tits, we ain't that's for sure excuse me!

Isn't that why we're on this site?

Anyone who thinks that we can love and think the illuminati plot out of existance is even more doomed than the rest of us, seeing as sadly most people are so bloody selfish they couldn't give a toss about their fellow human beings how exactly are we meant to bond together and think this mess out of existance that's been anchored purely through people's indifference to anything but themselves and their wants and needs.

Screw the rest of the planet, that's so many people's attitude and i find it time and time again each time i try and wake people up and observing life around me in gereral. Not within my close circle, as i and my loved ones have found the way and are happy no matter what, i'm referring to other people here. Other people which i do care about too as i see we are all a whole even though they act like bastards.

We have to find another way. We'll see what icke has to offer in his next installment, love is only part of the answer, not THE answer. And the love part is really only to help ourselves first and then in turn if enough people cop on we may get somewhere.


You're right reptileslayer, and you have a right to say what you did in your post without getting condescending crap like this back at you. :rolleyes:

fuck bob marley lol he didn't do shit.

fair call celtic

did you read the post i sent on the same day a little time after this one. As I explained to reptileslayer it was harsh, I struggle with old ways and can only do my best. I apologised to repslayer and hoped that he brushed off the non helpful comments i made.

ps. bob did do shit, prob everymorning after brekky, before he went out to battle with the freemasons. LOL. He was always armed with his non violent weopon....................his guitar and his songs of freedom......

sending love energy your way celtic
arohanui
ngawaka

[mitch_lane]

reptileslayer wrote:

Thats my point for things to change on the mind level, you need very very large numbers of people, to do that (and also be able to do that) which is not possible of course as most people are a million miles from being capable of that. As ive said in my original post nuts and bolts is the only way to deal with them at this time. (with all due respect you need to stop space cadeting)

Nuts and Bolts has been tried before- many times- in the form of revolutions which most had a positive reason underpinning them. But guess what, they have all failed and corruption has won out- the Terror after the French Revolution started within days of its "success" and that revolution- like many- was guided by the secret societies themselves, Jacobins (Freemasons) in that case but if you think that Agent Provacteurs would not get involved in any mass movement- even if Icke was leading it through the City of London ( he doesn't want to nor should he) then you are seriously underestimating the Illuminati. Their presence was noted by many on several of the anti-war marches in London leading up to the Iraq war.
John White told you the truth of the situation beautifully: the Illuminati is a state of mind. People have recognised their existence- if only as a set of corrupt individuals or organisations or states- for hundreds if not thousands of years and have tried to do something about it physically but, you know what, they are still here and they are still in "control". They control our daily lives through Government. Media, Big Pharma, Big Chema- you name it, if it's at the top of the pile they own it; and when it's not at the top of the pile, like certain alternative health remedies, they legislate against it or buy it up and then crush it out of existence. Hard to win against all that.
What they don't own though is your psyche and the world that you create with it- you contol that not them which is why they are so desperate to shut that ability down. This is the real agenda behind micro-chipping, vaccinations and fluoridation to mention only a few of their tricks, as Icke has continually pointed out. Personally I don't think that their dirty tech' way of trying to control who we actually are will succeed but it shows the level of their desperation because they- unlike, I agree with you, most people ( however, remember the Hundreth Monkey)- are fully aware of our potential and know that a change is coming, that the game that we have created is almost over.
So you can, as your forum name would indicate, attempt a change via methods that have been tried many, many times over thousands of years only to have failed every time.
Or you can give what John White suggests a go. When he suggests direct action I'm sure that he doesn't mean violence and although in a latter post he says that, unlike Icke, he would not say he would never fight ( none of us actually knows about that until it comes to the crunch) I understand Icke's position here. I went to war 3 times for this country- the UK- one of which you will have heard of and two dirty little covert wars that you probably wont. And those military actions solved nothing but they cost my soul ( whatever that is) plenty.
What John is suggesting to you is not "Space Cadeting" but it is the path to the solution. What you suggest is a path we have already been down.

[john white]

Cracking post Mitch

Or you can give what John White suggests a go. When he suggests direct action I'm sure that he doesn't mean violence and although in a latter post he says that, unlike Icke, he would not say he would never fight ( none of us actually knows about that until it comes to the crunch) I understand Icke's position here.

And you understand what it means to fight more than most, becuase you've been there, and the awful dread mechanical nature of conflict where our humanity is lobotomised by the force of the situation: we do become pawns of "Dark Gods" when its either us or the other bugger, and thats exactly what the "illuminati" consider us good for: pawns in THEIR game. Something that all Souled Humans have a duty to avoid

I'd just clarify that I hold we are soverign beings, and as such we have the right to refuse to let some poor mind controled shmuck murder us, because they do not hold any soverign right to do so: but when we go out to "get" that mind slave before he gets us, or go hunting that mind slave becuase he got someone else, then we are on the wheel of pain that we will never be free of until we let go and embrace Peace, Love and Humanity: so my comment is simply meant to say I cannot tell anyone else in good conscience never to defend themselves no matter what, and therefore cannot withold that right from myself: but even thinking about it is a distraction and a dissipation of energy better applied elsewhere

When he suggests direct action I'm sure that he doesn't mean violence

Absolutely, I mean the ultimate revolutionary act: The Dissemination Of Truth: truth not being defined as a static dogma but the highest perspective of truth we are able to understand and articulate at that time

[mitch_lane]

Thanks John

and I do understand your position. I certainly am not claiming that I would never physically defend myself or those that I love. But fight or flight is a conditioning- it may be called a biological imperative- but it is conditioning and the very fact that people can give up their of life for others shows that the conditioning can be broken down and overcome. These days I try to change the state of the conflict and I believe that empathy plays a key part in that. I think it was Phillip K Dick who suggested that the feature that set us apart from the rest of the animal world was our ability to be kind- I've always liked that.

[john white]

But fight or flight is a conditioning- it may be called a biological imperative- but it is conditioning and the very fact that people can give up their of life for others shows that the conditioning can be broken down and overcome

Exactly! And lets not forget we know that, due to Game Theory, the Military Industrial Complex has deliberately set out to model humans into selfish, self interested, self obsessed consumers: autonomic consumption machines precisely becuase the selfless altruism of the Human Heart is impossible for them to control

I think it was Phillip K Dick who suggested that the feature that set us apart from the rest of the animal world was our ability to be kind- I've always liked that.

A great man, a heroic visionary, who gave his all to communicate what he saw Through A Glass Darkly

[mitch_lane]

John White wrote:

Exactly! And lets not forget we know that, due to Game Theory, the Military Industrial Complex has deliberately set out to model humans into selfish, self interested, self obsessed consumers: autonomic consumption machines precisely becuase the selfless altruism of the Human Heart is impossible for them to control


I really like that segment in Curtis' The Trap where Nash's Game Theory was tested out on some women ( secretaries?) at the Rand Think Tank- where according to the way the game was supposed to be played they would all betray one another to get the prize and instead the ladies all started to help one another. Scratch head moment for the MIC.
Now, if only Curtis would take that one... step... further...

[graflok]

Look.
Let me state it simply.
The world only exists in your mind.
That includes the illuminati.

I agree with this but one would have to first fully realize the
existence of the evil aspects, fully confront it and come to a full resolution
for oneself before moving on. To do otherwise would be merely avoiding it
out of fear. You have to face the bad stuff and overcome it before you
can toss it off as insignificant.

[reptileslayer]

I agree with this but one would have to first fully realize the
existence of the evil aspects, fully confront it and come to a full resolution
for oneself before moving on. To do otherwise would be merely avoiding it
out of fear. You have to face the bad stuff and overcome it before you
can toss it off as insignificant.Correct graflok we need to face the evil
and then exterminate it, and considering that most of the public are conditioned mindless sheep right now, it has to be done the hard way, by the few of us that has a mind still active. Face them, none compliance with their nonsense, and then remove them.

[reptileslayer]

This is also what I believe right now. I'm not interested in the 'try 'em & fry 'em' point of view. Lock em up and give the wealth back to the people.



Treat them as they have treated us? I don't think that part would work very well. You would have to tell them why. Those people are the ultimate deniers and to have them know that we know and we are doing something about it would fuck with their heads until they rot.



I understand and agree with you here John, though these people(whatever) don't see themselves quite like this, as you know. As you say John, people see the enemy as over there, rather than inside themselves and I think this is a good place to start with waking people up.

I've been caught in and aware of the big brother system most of my life, but it has only been 21 mths sinse I woke up to the agenda and the history behind it all.

Now, I've read many a thread regarding the first and second awakening and now believe I'm looking for this next level, 2nd, as it were and I'm finding it quite a learning curve to get to grips with some of this infomation.

From my experience most people don't realise they have billions of individual living organisms inside their own body and to convince these people that they are a spiritual force inside a biological spacesuit and they can unlock powers they had never dreamed of inside their own spirit. It's no wonder that when I was told these things many times in the past that I treated them with kid gloves and politely nutted them off.

I myself don't think this way about such things anymore, thankfully, but this is one of the walls we have to penetrate in order to reach ourselves I suppose.

For me awakening is a stepping stone process, incorporating horses for courses along the way, for we are all different in that which would make us curious to open our eyes and look further.

The View From The Rabbit Hole is a good example of reaching people someone like Alex Jones could never get to.



Great work you have been doing there too!




To be truthful I would love to see David do something different, not that his work isn't diverse, but in the sense of massive publicity stunts that would get out to the masses. I'm not talking about climbing rooftops dressed as batman (imagine Mr Icke doing that?:D).

I'm sure Oasis would give him a 30 min spot before they go on stage to get the message out.

Stuff like this I would love to see!

But as I said above:

I'm sure David has his own plans and if the time comes for him to do something more than what he's been doing for all these years then he will do it in his own time and place, without people trying to force his hand.



See, this where I still have one foot in their box:eek:Just a small point dondaz, i did say lock them up, and not fry them, but they are such destructive evil, it doesnt matter does it, as long as they are stopped. Since posting on this board i have noticed a new phenomenon to me, we all know the classic denial person, (somebody who learns of some horrors and then goes into denial to try and avoid) but i've encountered a new level of dodging the facts, and what they should be doing, its the metaphysical procastronater, which i'm afraid is what your doing in this post dondaz, just like many of you are on this forum. If you wish to challenge me on this opinion be my guest.

[reptileslayer]

all he, and other 'conspiracy' researchers, can do is inform...that's it

the rest...is indeed, up to you

:)Its not just up to me or you oceanwave, the ONLY WAY is a collective action against them ie:facing them together and then removing them,
not people ducking and diving by metaphysical procastronating, so that includes
you, me, icke and everybody else, who still has mind active, who need to take the action now.

[reptileslayer]

Now is the time to look inward and find your own strength, your own path. David is not some sort of messiah that has offered to lead mankind into some kind of Utopian mindset. All David does is offer information. What you do with it, and how you process it, is up to you. That's it!

Don't you worry too much about what David is up to, ok? It's none of our business what he does in his private life, and he owes us nothing - not even an explanation. He's already given so much of himself. So, get on with uncovering the truth and exposing the agenda and don't mind David.

Let's help David, instead of looking to him for energy and guidance all the time. Time to stand on your own two feet and give David some space, ok?I didnt say icke was my messiah, but maybe hes yours, people inc you and icke, need to stop this metaphysical
procrastronating now, and we ALL need to deal with them head on now, or there will be a time, when you will no longer have a mind to procrastronate anymore.

[tinmenace]

What do you mean "head on"?

[reptileslayer]

It's like that quote of Einstein's that Icke often reiterates about not fixing the problem with the same mindset that created it.

You can't fight these people or come at it with a standard, intellectual approach and hope to break it down. You can't look to leader figures to save you. That's the old conditioned mindset.

What we need is a new consciousness and that can only be found within. All the answers are within. We're so used to looking to others to fix all our problems. People like David can only lead us so far and then we have to take the jump ourselves.

I look at figures like David and Eckhart Tolle and Bob Marley and John Lennon as inspirational figures. They sort of point you in the right direction and you can use them as an example in your own life. Look at how they live, their actions, the ridicule they face as a sort of guide in your own life. You might be doing something completely different, maybe only coming into contact with a handful of people compared to them, but that doesn't matter. Whether you're with 10 people or 10,000 people you have to be yourself. We've all got a part to play, a task that we are here on earth for to help spread awareness and that's what we must find. It can only be found within. Look there and listen to that voice and you can't go wrong.Working 'from within your own mind to deal with this problem, is totally beyond the ability of most people on this planet, and probably will be for hundreds of years to come. You are the one that is mind conditioned, i didnt say we need 'leaders' ive said all along that we all need to work together on the physical level, because i'm afraid with the state most people are in, the mind thing is a total none starter right now. And don't forget we only have a few more years until it WILL BE TOO LATE FOR ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING.

[reptileslayer]

thanks reptileslayer for such a positive response
i will now settle down to watch the rest of zeitgeistthe movie a happy woman and i will be back to hear what you have to sayOk here we go Holly ocean, this for you first because you requested it, then everybody else can take a look at it. OK 'whats my solution for dealing with the illuminati'
what i'm about to say here i've never written in public before, but the situation is getting very desperate now, and i will offer what i can to the people.
For example lets call it stage one, at the present time there are only a smallish number of people, on the planet that understand whats really going on, and the only way physical or mind, to defeat them, is going to be with a large number of people working together, so to start we all need to get our aware groups connected together, what i mean by that is icke supporters, alex jones people, 9/11 truth groups around the world, and many other people that are aware, and they want rid of the illuminai. i am in the process now of helping to do that connecting. then when we have many groups and people connected around the world, we then go to stage two, which is total non compliance with anything to do with wars (invasions) revenge against 'terrorists' without thorough evidence detail and proof, without all this these, important rquirements, wars ect, don't happen period. And many other 'political' moves to be scrapped for example
immediate dismantling of the European superstate, and all the countries involved in it return to their own sovereign states, and another example the planned American superstate to be scrapped immediately, and for the American constitution to be followed to by the letter. ok stage 3 as the peoples will becomes stronger and more join us after they see the results of things done to our collective will, bring us all. We then completely remove all the illuminati government juntas, in countries like Britain, Usa, and other countries where necessary. Arrest the main culprits where there is evidence offered for their involvement in this thing, ie: the bloodline families and their stooges, lock them up, investigate them all, and deal with them as necessary.
And freeze all their vast ill gotten wealth, and take it from them after they have been proven guilty, and also at that stage change the money systems, so this will render them completely penniless. there will be a lot more work to do after that of course, i will take it further in due course.

[myeika]

Anyone seen www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Has it been mentioned on this forum?

Hi Holly_ocean....

No I hadn't seen the film, but I have now :) thanks...... good film, will be useful to pass on too......

Good thread people.... some interesting thoughts views and idea's coming out here.....

[tinmenace]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys i'm off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shelfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.



I didnt say icke was my messiah, but maybe hes yours, people inc you and icke, need to stop this metaphysical
procrastronating now, and we ALL need to deal with them head on now, or there will be a time, when you will no longer have a mind to procrastronate anymore.



What do you mean "head on"?





So, what is it that you want from David then?

[lifeofbrian]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys i'm off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shelfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

The request for handholding amongst adults aside, I wonder if I know something that you could benefit from keeping in mind.

A fairly unknown man wrote a couple of books (not in English) about a decade ago. Very 'farout' and dodgy to mainstream people but becoming increasingly more sensible to those keeping at it. What he pointed out was, that as time is how certain forms of consciousness are able to monitor us and direct/influence our actions, we need to become unpredictable re: time. That is, avoid the same routines every day. To not schedule meetings without backup plans in case you experience set backs a lot and if you travel the same route every day, find alternate routes and pick one based on intuition - last minute - daily. This advice is for people targetted by 'darkies' as many car accidents are deliberate attacks and entities even familiar with time as their tool need at least some time to prepare an attack.

Now, based on this very 'farout' esoteric knowledge can you see how it can be better for certain profiles to keep their business somewhat under wraps and not available for everyone to map and predict?

I hope so.

[reptileslayer]

The request for handholding amongst adults aside, I wonder if I know something that you could benefit from keeping in mind.

A fairly unknown man wrote a couple of books (not in English) about a decade ago. Very 'farout' and dodgy to mainstream people but becoming increasingly more sensible to those keeping at it. What he pointed out was, that as time is how certain forms of consciousness are able to monitor us and direct/influence our actions, we need to become unpredictable re: time. That is, avoid the same routines every day. To not schedule meetings without backup plans in case you experience set backs a lot and if you travel the same route every day, find alternate routes and pick one based on intuition - last minute - daily. This advice is for people targetted by 'darkies' as many car accidents are deliberate attacks and entities even familiar with time as their tool need at least some time to prepare an attack.

Now, based on this very 'farout' esoteric knowledge can you see how it can be better for certain profiles to keep their business somewhat under wraps and not available for everyone to map and predict?

I hope so.Youve made some very good points lifeofbrien i will discuss this with you more soon.

[reptileslayer]

So, what is it that you want from David then?To join with us all to deal with the illuminati, as his knowledge and experience is invaluable to us all, in taking them down. Please look at my last post for Holly ocean as it applies to us all including Icke. (and forget about the metaphysical 'solution' as it is completely inapplicable in our situation on earth now) in our situation regarding the illuminati, its another way of dodging the problem.

[smoking oceanus]

I agree with this but one would have to first fully realize the
existence of the evil aspects, fully confront it and come to a full resolution
for oneself before moving on. To do otherwise would be merely avoiding it
out of fear. You have to face the bad stuff and overcome it before you
can toss it off as insignificant.

I agree :-)

Dont forget that some people tend to use this "its all in your mind" As a defence mechanism to shield themselves from their own issues. KOTM is a text book example of this.

When we try to overcome our issues, we need to work through them and see how they came to be and see the purpose they might have served in our experiences. Such a process often takes time to get through. Kind of like de-programming and 'release work'.

The whole "its all in your mind" comes across to me as just a quick fix of blocking out all negativity in an attempt to cope better with your life. You intensify the positive in order to avoid the negative only because you fear the negative.

And because you havent fully worked through these issues properly, it all remains embedded within your subconscious and will somehow along the line rise up again and bite you on the arse. lol

[tinmenace]

To join with us all to deal with the illuminati, as his knowledge and experience is invaluable to us all, in taking them down.

What do you mean by "taking them down"?

Please look at my last post for Holly ocean as it applies to us all including Icke. (and forget about the metaphysical 'solution' as it is completely inapplicable in our situation on earth now)

To your limited understanding, it's inapplicable.

...in our situation regarding the illuminati, its another way of dodging the problem.

Read Infinite Love (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=2), get your mind wrapped around quantum thinking, and then you'll understand that it's the only way forward.



So, in other words, you want David to fight the loomies, but on your terms? And fight how? You seem sensitive about answering that question.

What if he thinks your theories and methods are obsolete? Is that not his right to continue along his path uninterrupted?

[reptileslayer]

So, in other words, you want David to fight the loomies, but on your terms? And fight how? You seem sensitive about answering that question.

What if he thinks your theories and methods are obsolete? Is that not his right to continue along his path uninterrupted?
Hi Point 1. I have already replied to that question in my post to Holly Ocean.

Point 2 Not to my limited understanding at all, i can give Anyone on this forum
including icke and you a run for your money, on a metaphysical level anytime. As i said in my post to Holly, the reason why its inapplicable at this time, is considering the state most people are in on this planet, changing things on the collective mind level is impossible for them, hell most wont know what metaphysical means! As i've said in several of my posts, we are very short of time now, and the only thing most of the people know is the physical level, so if we are to stop them, that is the only way it remotely can be done right now period.

point 3 Quantum thinking is probably correct but due to the state of most people it will take them hundreds of years to get to that level.

AND ISN'T IT INTERESTING SINCE I'VE POSTED MY 'SOLUTIONS' THERE HAS BEEN HARDLY ANY RESPONSE, FROM ANYONE ON HERE. I'M SAYING EVERYONE GIVE ME YOUR ARGUMENTS, OR HAVE I SCARED YOU OFF WITH MY POINTS.

[tinmenace]

...we then go to stage two, which is total non compliance with anything to do with wars (invasions) revenge against 'terrorists' without thorough evidence detail and proof...

So, just the anti-NWO network will be in non-compliance?

Or, do you mean the general comatose population, and if so, how do you intend to encourage or enforce non-compliance?

[i am all i am]

G'day Reptileslayer.

Here's the first post of a thread that offers you a different alternative...

Maybe this belongs in the rant room, but here goes.

i'm tired of the term "pear shaped".

just my impression, but many people around here seem to think the term "infinite love" is lovey litey, weak, or somehow to be snickered at.

check this out...

Simple Steps to Healing: I'm Sorry, I Love You
by Dr. Joe Vitale

Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a complete ward of criminally insane patients – without ever seeing any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart and then look within himself to see how he created that person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban legend. How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How could even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally insane?

It didn't make any sense. It wasn't logical, so I dismissed the story.
However, I heard it again a year later. I heard that the therapist had used a Hawaiian healing process called ho 'oponopono. I had never heard of it, yet I couldn't let it leave my mind. If the story was at all true, I had to know more.
I had always understood "total responsibility" to mean that I am responsible for what I think and do. Beyond that, it's out of my hands. I think that most people think of total responsibility that way. We're responsible for what we do, not what anyone else does. The Hawaiian therapist who healed those mentally ill people would teach me an advanced new perspective about total responsibility.

His name is Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len. We probably spent an hour talking on our first phone call. I asked him to tell me the complete story of his work as a therapist. He explained that he worked at Hawaii State Hospital for four years. That ward where they kept the criminally insane was dangerous. Psychologists quit on a monthly basis. The staff called in sick a lot or simply quit. People would walk through that ward with their backs against the wall, afraid of being attacked by patients. It was not a pleasant place to live, work, or visit.

Dr. Len told me that he never saw patients. He agreed to have an office and to review their files. While he looked at those files, he would work on himself. As he worked on himself, patients began to heal.

"After a few months, patients that had to be shackled were being allowed to walk freely," he told me. "Others who had to be heavily medicated were getting off their medications. And those who had no chance of ever being released were being freed."

I was in awe.

"Not only that," he went on, "but the staff began to enjoy coming to work. Absenteeism and turnover disappeared. We ended up with more staff than we needed because patients were being released, and all the staff was showing up to work. Today, that ward is closed."

This is where I had to ask the million dollar question: "What were you doing within yourself that caused those people to change?"

"I was simply healing the part of me that created them," he said.

I didn't understand.

Dr. Len explained that total responsibility for your life means that everything in your life – simply because it is in your life – is your responsibility. In a literal sense the entire world is your creation.

Whew. This is tough to swallow. Being responsible for what I say or do is one thing. Being responsible for what everyone in my life says or does is quite another. Yet, the truth is this: if you take complete responsibility for your life, then everything you see, hear, taste, touch, or in any way experience is your responsibility because it is in your life.


This means that terrorist activity, the president, the economy – anything you experience and don't like – is up for you to heal. They don't exist, in a manner of speaking, except as projections from inside you. The problem isn't with them, it's with you, and to change them, you have to change you.
I know this is tough to grasp, let alone accept or actually live. Blame is far easier than total responsibility, but as I spoke with Dr. Len, I began to realize that healing for him and in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself. If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone – even a mentally ill criminal – you do it by healing you.

I asked Dr. Len how he went about healing himself. What was he doing, exactly, when he looked at those patients' files?

"I just kept saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you' over and over again," he explained.

That's it?

That's it.

Turns out that loving yourself is the greatest way to improve yourself, and as you improve yourself, you improve your world. Let me give you a quick example of how this works: one day, someone sent me an email that upset me. In the past I would have handled it by working on my emotional hot buttons or by trying to reason with the person who sent the nasty message. This time, I decided to try Dr. Len's method. I kept silently saying, "I'm sorry" and "I love you," I didn't say it to anyone in particular. I was simply evoking the spirit of love to heal within me what was creating the outer circumstance.

Within an hour I got an e-mail from the same person. He apologized for his previous message. Keep in mind that I didn't take any outward action to get that apology. I didn't even write him back. Yet, by saying "I love you," I somehow healed within me what was creating him.

I later attended a ho 'oponopono workshop run by Dr. Len. He's now 70 years old, considered a grandfatherly man, and is somewhat reclusive. He praised my book, The Attractor Factor. He told me that as I improve myself, my book's vibration will raise, and everyone will feel it when they read it. In short, as I improve, my readers will improve.

"What about the books that are already sold and out there?" I asked.
"They aren't out there," he explained, once again blowing my mind with his mystic wisdom. "They are still in you."

In short, there is no out there.

It would take a whole book to explain this advanced technique with the depth it deserves. Suffice it to say that whenever you want to improve anything in your life, there's only one place to look: inside you.

"When you look, do it with love."

Dr. Len's message may be quite hard to believe, yet it's amazingly simple. He states that we are all responsible for everything that we see in our world. By taking full personal responsibility and then healing the wounded places within ourselves, we can literally heal ourselves and our world. As related by Joe Vitale in the radio interview, Dr. Len suggests a four-stage process for this work. Whenever a place for healing presents itself in your life, open to the place where the hurt resides within you, and say and feel as much as possible the below four sentences:


I love you.
I'm sorry.
Please forgive me.
Thank you.

for more info on ho' oponopono, go here:

http://hooponopono.org/

i first learned of Morrnah Nalamaku Simeona in 1993; she was an authentic hawaiian kahuna. Dr. Len was her "protege", and is now in his seventies.

the form i learned it in takes about 20 minutes to do. i have performed it for very stubborn "issues", and it is an extremely powerful statement of intention, ime.

when i read this article above, what occurred to me was that the last four lines compressed the entire form down to 10 words. it could be applied anywhere, at any time, to anything in one's life.

i am in the process of a 3-day "experiment".

anything that comes up for me, any irritation, resentment, frustration, i stop and repeat those 10 words.

yesterday, i did my bookkeeping for the week.

i hate fucking bookkeeping.

i started using the ho' oponopona, just kind of spontaneously.

i figured, what the hell, it can't make things any worse.

i was wrong.

instead of feeling more at peace, for the first 5 or 6 hours, i felt worse, kind of like i'd just eaten bad clams or something.

with attention, i realized how much, after all these years, i still judge and project my own fears and perceived inadequacies onto others.

i really just felt like giving up, because i felt like crap, but i kept going.

generally, the worse the resistance, the bigger the "aha!" ;)

this morning, i feel pretty good. not self-satisfied, just more "at home", i don't quite know how to describe it.

we'll see what happens today and tomorrow, and i'll update anyone who's interested.

so, ime, taking total responsibility does not mean letting anybody else off the hook, it means taking back power.

nobody, but nobody, can upset me unless i allow myself to be upset.

nobody, but nobody, can rob me of my power unless i allow them to.

to be honest, i was surprised at how many "leaks" there are in my dingy lol.

so, who else is tough enough to take the challenge?

this is simply a test: try it for yourself, and see what happens.

if you think it's bullshit, then go back to what you were doing before.

that's the best test of any spiritual principle, imv. :)

in love and service.

I love you.



http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

[reptileslayer]

So, just the anti-NWO network will be in non-compliance?

Or, do you mean the general comatose population, and if so, how do you intend to encourage or enforce non-compliance?

Firstly the people who wish to join in with the non compliance stance, then hopefully it will give the confidence and teach many more people to de-programme themselves and do what is right for the good of the whole world. Apart from the illuminati of course.
Heres a little story that illustrates this idea
A few years ago i was talking in a sociology class, and i started talking about the illuminati and things that they were doing in society, at the time. What i was saying had never been brought up in the class before, but as i was talking, nearly the whole class were noding in agreement with me. And they also started to make their own points, about the negative things going on (by the way this was in 1997 before 9/11)
So this experience taught me, that there are lots more people around, who do know more of whats going on, but most don't talk about publicly, of course this due to the herd conditioning, that they have been bombarded with all their lives. And you will have noticed that i'm a very uninhibited outspoken person
(in other words not conditioned) and as soon as i started the ball rolling, in that classroom, it opened most of the people there. I hope this answers you question Tinmenace. (if we capitulate hell on earth awaits us all)

IF WE TOLERATE THIS OUR CHILDREN WILL BE NEXT.

[herebynightfall]

Firstly the people who wish to join in with the non compliance stance, then hopefully it will give the confidence and teach many more people to de-programme themselves and do what is right for the good of the whole world.

I cover this in a thread I started today. Check It.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6329

[reptileslayer]

I cover this in a thread I started today. Check It.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6329

Yes very good herebynightfall, its about helping to de-programme and teach the people there is another way, that will bear a great deal of fruits for our world.

[john white]

AND ISN'T IT INTERESTING SINCE I'VE POSTED MY 'SOLUTIONS' THERE HAS BEEN HARDLY ANY RESPONSE, FROM ANYONE ON HERE. I'M SAYING EVERYONE GIVE ME YOUR ARGUMENTS, OR HAVE I SCARED YOU OFF WITH MY POINTS.


Well speaking personaly, no, I dont feel sacred off, I'm just being polite and letting you do your thing: you know whats right for you, I've already said what I've got to say and this isnt a competition. I hav'nt seen anything in your suggestions that people arnt doing anyway, and I also havnt seen anything (in the recent comments anyway) I wouldnt support doing: so I do wonder if you just need a fresh perspective to appreciate whats actually going on and find the best way to apply yourself. One can have a focus on raising ones personal consciousness and still interact fully with the rest of the planet, IMHO more effectively

[tinmenace]

Firstly the people who wish to join in with the non compliance stance, then hopefully it will give the confidence and teach many more people to de-programme themselves and do what is right for the good of the whole world. Apart from the illuminati of course.
Heres a little story that illustrates this idea
A few years ago i was talking in a sociology class, and i started talking about the illuminati and things that they were doing in society, at the time. What i was saying had never been brought up in the class before, but as i was talking, nearly the whole class were noding in agreement with me. And they also started to make their own points, about the negative things going on (by the way this was in 1997 before 9/11)
So this experience taught me, that there are lots more people around, who do know more of whats going on, but most don't talk about publicly, of course this due to the herd conditioning, that they have been bombarded with all their lives. And you will have noticed that i'm a very inhibited outspoken person
(in other words not conditioned) and as soon as i started the ball rolling, in that classroom, it opened most of the people there. I hope this answers you question Tinmenace. (if we capitulate hell on earth awaits us all)

IF WE TOLERATE THIS OUR CHILDREN WILL BE NEXT.

No, I totally agree, we have to do what we can to expose the agenda and end this nightmare. I'm just not sure that we can get the majority of billions of people to wake up quickly enough. They are dependent on the very system we're trying to get them to let go of.

[john white]

Mind you, I suppose I should just comment that I don't see any justification for viewing Icke as shirking his responsibilities: and that could be viewed as a reflection of the commenters inner disatisfaction with facing the challenge of accepting his own

I'm definately rooting for you though Reptileslayer: And if there are sound suggestions that I vibe with, I shall lend my support!