View Full Version : Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
seekingthetruth
03-04-2009, 07:34 PM
Eventhough most of you are truly considered to be fine Patriots and upstanding Citizens, (Along with other fine qualities I'm sure) there is still one question that remains ... Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
Are you sure of your answer?
Why not take this test to see if you are indeed a good person.
www.seekingthetruth.info (http://www.seekingthetruth.info)
... and please folks, It would be much appreciated if we can stay on topic.
Eventhough most of you are truly considered to be fine Patriots and upstanding Citizens, (Along with other fine qualities I'm sure) there is still one question that remains ... Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
Are you sure of your answer?
Why not take this test to see if you are indeed a good person.
www.seekingthetruth.info (http://www.seekingthetruth.info)
... and please folks, It would be much appreciated if we can stay on topic.
Hold on , can you be more precise?
You mean a 'good person' as in ethical , moral , on a scale from 1 to 10 ?
Or simply a good man on a whole?
elaborate a bit would you ?
bornagain
03-04-2009, 07:41 PM
Hold on , can you be more precise?
You mean a 'good person' as in ethical , moral , on a scale from 1 to 10 ?
Or simply a good man on a whole?
elaborate a bit would you ?
he means if you are a christian, that makes you a moral person. :) :rolleyes:
~Born again
size_of_light
03-04-2009, 07:44 PM
I know the bad things I do and the things I'll regret before I've even done them, so I don't need an online test to tell me anything. Everyone's a good person but we all do things we're not proud of and feel bad about. How in touch you are with your true goodness depends on how aware you are of the bad things you do.
And to add... no man is perfect (aside from Jesus man and God simultaneously). No man has ever been and no man will ever be.
We can, however try and work towards becoming good people.
Not an easy task but deffinetly worth the hassle.
And is the reason why confessions have been put in place; in order to help in the process of 'becoming good men' .
Well then okay.
To be Christian means to be a good man overall.
The problem is im not too good of a man, im trying tho :(
Therefore the logic : i am trying to be a Christian , trying.
element
03-04-2009, 07:50 PM
Eventhough most of you are truly considered to be fine Patriots and upstanding Citizens, (Along with other fine qualities I'm sure) there is still one question that remains ... Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
Are you sure of your answer?
Why not take this test to see if you are indeed a good person.
www.seekingthetruth.info (http://www.seekingthetruth.info)
... and please folks, It would be much appreciated if we can stay on topic.
''Perhaps you believe that God will simply forgive your sins because he is 'Good'? If you believe this, would you also be willing to describe a human judge as 'Good' if he simply lets criminals go free after they are convicted of a serious crime they have committed? Of course you wouldn't. It is because God is GOOD that he MUST punish those who are in transgression of His laws.''
lmao.
This is more human interpretation of who is good and who is bad...there's no heaven and hell, it's all in our minds and it's created by irrational people.
Exodus 20:15 - "You shall not steal."
Did you ever steal something in your life? (Regardless of the item's value) It so, God sees you as a thief.
What if you steal when there's no way out? To save the life of a child for instance...
Exodus 20:7 - "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
But which God? There are hundreds created by man.
Exodus 20:13 - "You shall not murder."
Yes very nice, don't forget the ''he that slew an ox is as if he slew a man''
Was it really a objective test, or something else? :eek:
Hmm.
seekingthetruth
03-04-2009, 07:51 PM
Alright, when I say would you consider yourselves to be a good person, I mean do you hold true to the moral laws of God? (The Ten Commandments) Naturally our society as well as our own personal lives are reflected in the law of God to be a standard for living, whether you are a Christian or not.
I actually wanted to make this a Poll, but sadly there was no option ...
Wait .. There Is!
element
03-04-2009, 07:55 PM
Alright, when I say would you consider yourselves to be a good person, I mean do you hold true to the moral laws of God? (The Ten Commandments) Naturally our society as well as our own personal lives are reflected in the law of God to be a standard for living, whether you are a Christian or not.
I actually wanted to make this a Poll, but sadly there was no option ...
You can make a new thread, under it you can choose 'make poll' :)
But you should be precise what you mean with it and what options to pick.
I don't follow all the commandments..
waylander
03-04-2009, 08:01 PM
When I'm good I'm good. When I'm bad I'm better!
The Bible is not the word of God. It is mans spin on the word of God.
Just like what's in "The Sun" ain't the news, its just the editors spin on the news.
Waylander:cool:
You can make a new thread, under it you can choose 'make poll' :)
But you should be precise what you mean with it and what options to pick.
I don't follow all the commandments..
:eek: which one don't you ?
element
03-04-2009, 08:02 PM
When I'm good I'm good. When I'm bad I'm better!
The Bible is not the word of God. It is mans spin on the word of God.
Just like what's in "The Sun" ain't the news, its just the editors spin on the news.
Waylander:cool:
:D
Agree with you.:)
I'll vote sometimes..
size_of_light
03-04-2009, 08:06 PM
The problem is im not too good of a man, im trying tho :(
The problem is you don't recognise that you've always been a good man.
element
03-04-2009, 08:06 PM
:eek: which one don't you ?
#4: I have nothing to do with the ''Sabbath day'', to me it's like any other day, although I do rest on it. But keep it holy, yay, probably with a christian spin on it. Not me taste. :)
The problem is you don't recognise that you've always been a good man.
what do you mean?!
#4: I have nothing to do with the ''Sabbath day'', to me it's like any other day, although I do rest on it. But keep it holy, yay, probably with a christian spin on it. Not me taste. :)
The Sabbath eh ?
That's the Jewish holy day on saturdays lol.
Is the sundays for Chrisians okay? the seventh :D
element
03-04-2009, 08:18 PM
The Sabbath eh ?
That's the Jewish holy day on saturdays lol.
Is the sundays for Chrisians okay? the seventh :D
Ah yeah correct, already took that in account. I rest on both days, but I don't make anything special of it.
Anyway, why the change, why not keep it Saturday?
size_of_light
03-04-2009, 08:18 PM
what do you mean?!
You don't think you're a good man and so you're trying to be one. But your very nature is goodness. Always has been and always will be and nothing can ever stain or destroy that or take it away from you. It's what you are. Take a while to think about that because it really is true. Then look at all the bad things you've done in your life from that perspective of fundamental purity within yourself.
You don't think you're a good man and so you're trying to be one. But your very nature is goodness. Always has been and always will be and nothing can ever stain or destroy that or take it away from you. It's what you are. Take a while to think about that because it really is true. Then look at all the bad things you've done in your life from that perspective of fundamental purity within yourself.
My nature IS goodness but also weakness, inherited weakness.
Also , from my point of view, one man's nature CAN change depending on his thoughts and deeds.
Nothing can take away from me my soul- and that's correct- i can however, give it away; and thats were we meet the weakness i mentioned above.
Thing is the good or the bad , the right or the wrong, the true or the false - those things i dont take them from my own perpective. Nor from the prism of my understanding, but from the guidelines set forth and from the set universal meaning of those values.
I dont determine values then set up a valoric system which then again i follow.
That's like setting up my own rulles which then i abide by.
That's wrong.
size_of_light
03-04-2009, 08:42 PM
Thing is the good or the bad , the right or the wrong, the true or the false - those things i dont take them from my own perpective. Nor from the prism of my understanding, but from the guidelines set forth and from the set universal meaning of those values.
I dont determine values then set up a valoric system which then again i follow.
That's like setting up my own rulles which then i abide by.
That's wrong.
You say it's wrong but see how you rob yourself when you submit to a set of external rules that tell you what you need to do in order to feel worthy, when you're already naturally worthy?
seekingthetruth
03-04-2009, 08:45 PM
Take this into consideration ...
Regardless of whether you have broken only one commandment (Which is unlikely) or all ten (Which is more likely) Jesus said that he who is guity of breaking only one the commandments is guilty of all. (Paraphrase)
You say it's wrong but see how you rob yourself when you submit to a set of external rules that tell you what you need to do in order to feel worthy, when you're already naturally worthy?
Heh i knew you're going there :)
1) I dont rob myself
2) I don't get robbed by force
3) I dont get robbed with my consent
4) I don't submit
i only make choices.
size_of_light
03-04-2009, 08:53 PM
Heh i knew you're going there :)
1) I dont rob myself
2) I don't get robbed by force
3) I dont get robbed with my consent
4) I don't submit
i only make choices.
Aren't you making the choice to give something else the power to tell you what you are?
Aren't you making the choice to give something else the power to tell you what you are?
That's a totally different thing.
I am making a choice , from the 'pool' of infinite options at my disposal.
And i couldnt possibly 'give any power' to anything or anyone, aside of course from the 'power' which has/is been given to me.
Nothing tells me what i am , i am supposed to find that out for myself.
And like i said, i am trying.
size_of_light
03-04-2009, 09:01 PM
That's a totally different thing.
I am making a choice , from the 'pool' of infinite options at my disposal.
And i couldnt possibly 'give any power' to anything or anyone, aside of course from the 'power' which has/is been given to me.
Nothing tells me what i am , i am supposed to find that out for myself.
And like i said, i am trying.
Interesting discussion. Thanks. :)
Interesting discussion. Thanks. :)
anytime , glad some are capable of having normal conversations :)
thanks
mephibosheth
03-04-2009, 09:10 PM
I'm a person.
That's it.
This poll needs an option for being neither good nor bad, or both yes and no.
Every person is good in some ways and bad in others.
I'm a person.
That's it.
This poll needs an option for being neither good nor bad, or both yes and no.
Every person is good in some ways and bad in others.
In this sort of thing you cant talk % for example.
Is not like when you make a piechart in excel.
If i am doing bad things , im obviously NOT a good man.
Wouldnt you think so ?
seekingthetruth
03-04-2009, 09:33 PM
I'm a person.
That's it.
This poll needs an option for being neither good nor bad, or both yes and no.
Every person is good in some ways and bad in others.
Yes and No are diametrically opposed answers ...
If you are a good person, then you are a good person, if you are a bad person then ... well, you get the idea. The purpose of the question isn't meant to ask do you do good things ... the question is 'are you a good person.'
Besides, I thought the 'sometimes' fit that kind of scenario ...
mephibosheth
03-04-2009, 11:05 PM
In this sort of thing you cant talk % for example.
Is not like when you make a piechart in excel.
Sure you can. Why not?
If i am doing bad things , im obviously NOT a good man.
Wouldnt you think so ?
Can a good person do bad things? Can a bad person do good things?
Or are we to say, that when and only when I am doing good things I am a 'good person' and when and only when I am doing bad things I am a 'bad person'?
If that's the case, then people are only 'good or bad' persons according to what they are doing right now. Sure, I know you saved the planet, but what have you done for me lately?
8)
mephibosheth
03-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Yes and No are diametrically opposed answers ...
In a binary sense. But when you put them together in juxtaposition you get an annihilation of polarities! Which is, as I would say, the natural state of being human.
Am I good or bad? The question doesn't make sense in and of itself.
I am good to some people, bad in the eyes of others, and neutral in the eyes of still others, being neither praiseworthy nor faulty.
If you are a good person, then you are a good person, if you are a bad person then ... well, you get the idea. The purpose of the question isn't meant to ask do you do good things ... the question is 'are you a good person.'
The question, then, is nonsensical.
You haven't qualified 'good' here, and thus it is left up to each poster to substitute their notion of what 'good' means and assess themselves on that basis.
'Rex is a good dog'.
Sure, but what does that mean? Is he obedient? Is he quiet? Is he friendly? Does he guard the house well? is he nice to the kids? Does he bark at strangers? Does he stay out of the garbage? Does he have a nice shiny coat? Is he healthy? Is he the epitome of his breed?
All these questions and more qualify the meaning of the value. And they are not all of the same 'kind' of good, even though they may reference the same 'kind' of relationship Rex has to a standard. But there is no 'absolute' value for Rex that doesn't reference one or another of these criteria. At best you can say that, in your opinion, based on what you know, Rex seems to be judged 'good' more often than 'bad' for any set of criteria applied to him.
To judge a person, like Rex, we need to say 'this person is good in these ways...'
Besides, I thought the 'sometimes' fit that kind of scenario ...
Not really.
I'm sometimes good, sometimes bad, but that is all dependent on who you talk to.
In and of myself I am neither good nor bad. Hence, yes and no, equally.
8)
breezinreezin
03-04-2009, 11:39 PM
In a binary sense. But when you put them together in juxtaposition you get an annihilation of polarities! Which is, as I would say, the natural state of being human.
Am I good or bad? The question doesn't make sense in and of itself.
I am good to some people, bad in the eyes of others, and neutral in the eyes of still others, being neither praiseworthy nor faulty.
The question, then, is nonsensical.
You haven't qualified 'good' here, and thus it is left up to each poster to substitute their notion of what 'good' means and assess themselves on that basis.
'Rex is a good dog'.
Sure, but what does that mean? Is he obedient? Is he quiet? Is he friendly? Does he guard the house well? is he nice to the kids? Does he bark at strangers? Does he stay out of the garbage? Does he have a nice shiny coat? Is he healthy? Is he the epitome of his breed?
All these questions and more qualify the meaning of the value. And they are not all of the same 'kind' of good, even though they may reference the same 'kind' of relationship Rex has to a standard. But there is no 'absolute' value for Rex that doesn't reference one or another of these criteria. At best you can say that, in your opinion, based on what you know, Rex seems to be judged 'good' more often than 'bad' for any set of criteria applied to him.
To judge a person, like Rex, we need to say 'this person is good in these ways...'
Not really.
I'm sometimes good, sometimes bad, but that is all dependent on who you talk to.
In and of myself I am neither good nor bad. Hence, yes and no, equally.
8)
Fuck me, do you ever stop to puff on your gauloise or take a sip of pastiche. Mind you, I guess it's easier to impress this lot with your philosophical ramblings, than the berets at the cafe de phares.
mephibosheth
04-04-2009, 12:34 AM
Fuck me
Why don't you go do that then?
:rolleyes:
mephibosheth
04-04-2009, 01:03 AM
heheh...maybe I'm a good person, but a bad poster!! :D :D :D
breezinreezin
04-04-2009, 01:27 AM
Why don't you go do that then?
:rolleyes:
send a pic. If you're a babe, I just might. You know, of course, I'd have ask you not to talk.
deadskinball
04-04-2009, 01:31 AM
If you need a damn book to guide yourself to goodness then you already are bad.
...or more to the point. Rotten.
Rotten to the core.
If you need a book to tell you how to act, how to live, how to empathise, how to <whatever> and these things DON'T come from within, then those that think they need the book are not human.
It doesn't get anymore basic than that.
---
"Oh but the bible says that i must do this, or I must be like that..."
No FUCKIN' NO.
You use your own freakin' brain and you use your own sense of worth to make yourself the best you can.
:mad:
EDIT: fuck people piss me off with their excuses on not taking responsibilty for themselves.
Eventhough most of you are truly considered to be fine Patriots and upstanding Citizens, (Along with other fine qualities I'm sure) there is still one question that remains ... Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
Are you sure of your answer?
Why not take this test to see if you are indeed a good person.
www.seekingthetruth.info (http://www.seekingthetruth.info)
... and please folks, It would be much appreciated if we can stay on topic.
Good but not good enough and filled with evil.
miracles
04-04-2009, 01:06 PM
Im a saint:)