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Obama admits (or predicts?): Attack on US soil likely
Press TV
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:46 UTC
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President Barack ObamaPresident Barack Obama admits that al-Qaeda network is planning fresh raids on the United States from the militants' safe havens in Pakistan.
Obama said Wednesday the US would chase and defeat the terrorist organization wherever it is present in the world.
Pakistan and Afghanistan would not be allowed to become a safe haven for al-Qaeda and its allied groups, the US president said while addressing a joint press conference with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in London.
Obama's remarks followed a threat by Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leader Baitullah Mehsud, who said his group was planning a terrorist attack on the US to 'amaze' the world.
"Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Baitullah Mehsud said Tuesday, giving no further details.
US intelligence officials are increasingly concerned that Mehsud could eclipse even Osama bin Laden as a threat to America.
Obama further urged Pakistan to demonstrate its commitment to rooting out al-Qaeda and Taliban along its troubled border with Afghanistan.
The US president had earlier unveiled a new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, saying the top goal was to destroy al-Qaeda. "Al Qaeda and its allies are cancer that risks killing Pakistan From within," said Obama on Friday
The warnings come after multiple intelligence estimates warned that al-Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the US homeland from its safe-haven in the violence-hit Pakistan.
Al-Qaeda's top leaders are believed to be hiding in tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, where their Taliban allies have strongholds.
The insurgents have regrouped in the tribal areas after a US-led invasion in late 2001 toppled the Taliban in Afghanistan and sent militants to border areas with Pakistan.
American officials say the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border threaten the US and its western allies' security in the western countries.
On September 11, 2001 a series of attacks were launched on New York and the pentagon by suspected al-Qaeda insurgents, killing 2,973 people.
Comment: Is this a "friendly" warning to the US population? If something is being planned the only thing certain is that those who orchestrated the 911 attacks will be behind the next attacks as well.
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'Dead' Pakistan Taleban Chief Takes Credit for Lahore Terror Attack!
Lori Price
Citizens For Legitimate Government
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:37 UTC
It's a miracle! Pakistan Taleban chief Baitullah Mehsud -- who supposedly died from kidney failure six months ago -- takes credit for three recent deadly terror attacks, including Monday's attack on a police academy in Lahore.
He spoke to the BBC by phone.
© BBC
Mr Mehsud does not like to be photographed
Above: Actual photo and caption from original BBC article: 07:17 GMT, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 08:17 UK
What could *possbily* be the motive for this dialup from the dead?
Taleban: we will launch attack on America that will amaze world [Yeah, it'll be *doubly* amazing because the guy is 'dead.'] 01 Apr 2009 Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taleban, threatened yesterday to launch an attack on Washington that would "amaze everyone in the world" as he claimed responsibility for the raid on a police academy in Lahore and boasted of a new regional militant alliance. The leader of Tehrik-e-Taleban Pakistan (Movement of Taleban Pakistan), made the claims after taking the highly unusual step of telephoning Western news organisations from an undisclosed location. [Um, Hades? Gee, I'd love to see his Verizon bill for *those* calls.] "We wholeheartedly take responsibility for this attack and will carry out more such attacks in future," he said.
Taliban threatens 9/11-like attack on US 31 Mar 2009 The leader of Taliban in Pakistan has threatened to target the White House, saying that the terrorist attack is aimed to 'amaze' the world. "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Baitullah Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone Tuesday, giving no further details. In his latest comments made during an interview with local Dewa Radio, Tehrik-e-Taliban (TTP) Pakistan leader had referred to the White house as a potential target. The threat came after US President Barack Obama warned that al-Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the United States from secret havens in Pakistan.
Taliban Leader Vows to Attack D.C. "Soon" --Pakistani Taliban Commander Also Claims Responsibility For Attack On Police Academy 31 Mar 2009 The top Taliban commander in Pakistan promised an assault on Washington "soon" - one he says will "amaze" the world. "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Baitullah Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. Mehsud also claimed responsibility for Monday's attack on a police academy outside the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore, saying it was in retaliation for U.S. missile strikes against militants along the Afghan border.
Taliban Leader's Washington Threat Is Credible, Analysts Say --Mehsud identified the White House as one of the targets. 31 Mar 2009 Baitullah Mehsud, commander of the Taliban in Pakistan, told The Associated Press in an interview Tuesday that his group was responsible for Monday's attack on a police academy in his country that killed seven police officers and injured more than 90 others. He also said, chillingly: "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world." In an interview with local Dewa Radio, which was obtained by The Associated Press, Mehsud identified the White House as one of the targets.
Taliban Leader Vows to Attack D.C. "Soon" --Pakistani Taliban Commander Also Claims Responsibility For Attack On Police Academy 31 Mar 2009 The top Taliban commander in Pakistan promised an assault on Washington "soon" - one he says will "amaze" the world. "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Baitullah Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. Mehsud also claimed responsibility for Monday's attack on a police academy outside the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore, saying it was in retaliation for U.S. missile strikes against militants along the Afghan border.
Petraeus: Military Reserves 'Right of Last Resort' for Threats Inside Pakistan 30 Mar 2009 The U.S. military will reserve the "right of last resort" to take out threats inside Pakistan, but it would prefer to enable the Pakistani military to do the job itself, General David Petraeus said Monday in an exclusive interview with FOX News. The commander of U.S. Central Command was interviewed as the Obama administration prepares to step up the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Pakistan killers captured after second onslaught in Lahore 31 Mar 2009 The Pakistani city of Lahore was reeling from another terrorist outrage last night after a dozen gunmen stormed a police academy and killed at least 13 people in an eight-hour shootout with security forces. Rehman Malik, the Interior Minister, said that the gunmen were believed to be fighters loyal to the Pakistani Taleban commander Baitullah Mehsud. The Pakistani Taleban said a little-known group called Fedayin al-Islam was responsible.
'We will continue our attacks until the Pakistan government stops supporting the Americans' --Pakistan Taleban chief Baitullah Mehsud
Lahore 'was Pakistan Taleban op' -- 07:17 GMT, 31 Mar 2009 08:17 UK The chief of the Pakistani Taleban, Baitullah Mehsud, has told the BBC his group was behind Monday's deadly attack on a police academy in Lahore. He said the attack was "in retaliation for the continued drone strikes by the US in collaboration with Pakistan on our people". He also claimed responsibility for two other recent deadly attacks. Baitullah Mehsud said the attacks would continue "until the Pakistan government stops supporting the Americans"...Pakistan's interior minister earlier identified the Taleban as well as other extremist groups as possible perpetrators, and suggested a foreign state could also be involved. Speaking to the BBC by phone, he also claimed responsibility for two other attacks:
* A suicide attack on a security convoy, also on Monday, near the town of Bannu in North West Frontier Province, which killed seven security personnel
* An attack on the offices of an intelligence agency in Islamabad on 25 March
Rewards for Justice: Baitullah Mehsud --Gordon Duguid, Acting Deputy Department Spokesman, Office of the Spokesman, Bureau of Public Affairs, Washington, DC, March 25, 2009 The U.S. Department of State has authorized a reward of up to $5 million for information leading to the location, arrest, and/or conviction of Baitullah Mehsud, the senior leader of Tehrik-e-Taliban (Taliban Movement of Pakistan). Mehsud is regarded as a key al-Qa'ida facilitator in the tribal areas of South Waziristan in Pakistan. Pakistani authorities believe that the January 2007 suicide attack against the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad was staged by militants loyal to Mehsud... In addition, Mehsud has stated his intention to attack the United States. He has conducted cross-border attacks against U.S. forces in Afghanistan, and poses a clear threat to American persons and interests in the region.
Mehsud visits parts of S.Waziristan 02 Oct 2008 Supreme commander of the banned outfit Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan, Baitullah Mehsud visited different area of South Waziristan on Thursday. According to Taliban sources, Meshsud visited Makeen, Ladha, Badar, Salay Rogha and other areas. The tribesmen upon seeing the Taliban commander, fired their guns in the air. Speaking on the occasion, the speakers said the electronic media is airing news regarding the death of Baitullah Mehsud, causing concern among the tribesmen.
Taliban leader in Pakistan, Baitullah Mehsud, 'dies from kidney failure' --Speculation is mounting that Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani wing of the Taliban, has died from kidney failure. By Isambard Wilkinson in Islamabad 01 Oct 2008 Mehsud was accused by Pakistan and US intelligence of being responsible for the assassination of the former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto. Rumours of his death are circulating in Pakistan. The former fitness instructor turned terrorist leader has diabetes and has been reported to be unwell for months. Mehsud, in his mid-thirties, rose suddenly from obscurity possibly with the support of a faction of Pakistan's shadowy ISI military intelligence that has secretly backed the Taliban. However, his doctor said he had an unspecified kidney problem, but that he was alive. Mehsud has denied involvement in the attack on Bhutto as she left an election rally in the city of Rawalpindi on Dec. 27, which her widower, Mr Zardari, has blamed on Pakistan's establishment.
Baitullah Mehsud dies 01 Oct 2008 Supreme Commander of the defunct Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan Baitullah Mehsud is dead, Geo News reported early on Wednesday. The TTP leader had been indisposed for quite some time. A few weeks ago he had survived a severe diabetic attack but again fell seriously ill three days back.
All I know is, I want to come back to life as a Taleban or al-CIAduh commander. Such men are truly immortal. See also:
Injured, re-killed Ayman al-Zawahri is back! By Lori Price 29 Sep 2008
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17622
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/180638-Dead-Pakistan-Taleban-Chief-Takes-Credit-for-Lahore-Terror-Attack-
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/180552-Obama-admits-or-predicts-Attack-on-US-soil-likely
http://www.legitgov.org/dead_al-qaeda_injured_020808.html
[B]Zawahiri back from the dead as well
Al-Zawahri is back from the dead again, giving interviews! By Lori Price 28 Nov 2008
Zawahiri blames global financial crisis on 9/11 in latest al-Qaeda video 28 Nov 2008 Al-Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has said in a new internet video that the international financial crisis is the result of a US war on Muslims and the Sept 11 attacks. Zawahiri also claimed the recent security gains made by US forces in Iraq were only temporary and Afghan President Hamid Karzai's offers to negotiate with Taliban elements were a sign of his regime's weakness.
Qaeda's Zawahri says U.S. wars behind financial crisis 28 Nov 2008 Al Qaeda's second-in-command said in an Internet video the U.S. financial crisis was caused by Washington's military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan and taxpayers were paying the price. "This crisis is one of ... the series of American economic hemorrhages after the strikes of September 11... And these ... will continue as long as the foolish American policy of wading in Muslim blood continues," Ayman al-Zawahri said on the video, posted on Islamist websites on Friday.
Re-killed Ayman al-Zawahiri is back in 'audio message,' taunting Obama By Lori Price 19 Nov 2008
The elusive, whack-a-mole al-Qaeda #2 is back again (from the dead)! Ayman al-Zawahiri criticized U.S. President-elect Barack Obama in an 'audio message' posted on the Internet, calling him dishonorable and a servant of whites, the Associated Press reported. The second-in-command of Islamic militant network al-Qaeda [al-CIAduh] has called on Muslims to harm "criminal" America. You just can't keep a good terrorist down (or dead) for long, especially when Bush needs a terror attack/martial law before January 20.
Do they honestly think were that stupid or are most movers and shakers really that stupid?
Press TV
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:46 UTC
© Unknown
President Barack ObamaPresident Barack Obama admits that al-Qaeda network is planning fresh raids on the United States from the militants' safe havens in Pakistan.
Obama said Wednesday the US would chase and defeat the terrorist organization wherever it is present in the world.
Pakistan and Afghanistan would not be allowed to become a safe haven for al-Qaeda and its allied groups, the US president said while addressing a joint press conference with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in London.
Obama's remarks followed a threat by Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leader Baitullah Mehsud, who said his group was planning a terrorist attack on the US to 'amaze' the world.
"Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Baitullah Mehsud said Tuesday, giving no further details.
US intelligence officials are increasingly concerned that Mehsud could eclipse even Osama bin Laden as a threat to America.
Obama further urged Pakistan to demonstrate its commitment to rooting out al-Qaeda and Taliban along its troubled border with Afghanistan.
The US president had earlier unveiled a new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, saying the top goal was to destroy al-Qaeda. "Al Qaeda and its allies are cancer that risks killing Pakistan From within," said Obama on Friday
The warnings come after multiple intelligence estimates warned that al-Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the US homeland from its safe-haven in the violence-hit Pakistan.
Al-Qaeda's top leaders are believed to be hiding in tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, where their Taliban allies have strongholds.
The insurgents have regrouped in the tribal areas after a US-led invasion in late 2001 toppled the Taliban in Afghanistan and sent militants to border areas with Pakistan.
American officials say the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border threaten the US and its western allies' security in the western countries.
On September 11, 2001 a series of attacks were launched on New York and the pentagon by suspected al-Qaeda insurgents, killing 2,973 people.
Comment: Is this a "friendly" warning to the US population? If something is being planned the only thing certain is that those who orchestrated the 911 attacks will be behind the next attacks as well.
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'Dead' Pakistan Taleban Chief Takes Credit for Lahore Terror Attack!
Lori Price
Citizens For Legitimate Government
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:37 UTC
It's a miracle! Pakistan Taleban chief Baitullah Mehsud -- who supposedly died from kidney failure six months ago -- takes credit for three recent deadly terror attacks, including Monday's attack on a police academy in Lahore.
He spoke to the BBC by phone.
© BBC
Mr Mehsud does not like to be photographed
Above: Actual photo and caption from original BBC article: 07:17 GMT, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 08:17 UK
What could *possbily* be the motive for this dialup from the dead?
Taleban: we will launch attack on America that will amaze world [Yeah, it'll be *doubly* amazing because the guy is 'dead.'] 01 Apr 2009 Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taleban, threatened yesterday to launch an attack on Washington that would "amaze everyone in the world" as he claimed responsibility for the raid on a police academy in Lahore and boasted of a new regional militant alliance. The leader of Tehrik-e-Taleban Pakistan (Movement of Taleban Pakistan), made the claims after taking the highly unusual step of telephoning Western news organisations from an undisclosed location. [Um, Hades? Gee, I'd love to see his Verizon bill for *those* calls.] "We wholeheartedly take responsibility for this attack and will carry out more such attacks in future," he said.
Taliban threatens 9/11-like attack on US 31 Mar 2009 The leader of Taliban in Pakistan has threatened to target the White House, saying that the terrorist attack is aimed to 'amaze' the world. "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Baitullah Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone Tuesday, giving no further details. In his latest comments made during an interview with local Dewa Radio, Tehrik-e-Taliban (TTP) Pakistan leader had referred to the White house as a potential target. The threat came after US President Barack Obama warned that al-Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the United States from secret havens in Pakistan.
Taliban Leader Vows to Attack D.C. "Soon" --Pakistani Taliban Commander Also Claims Responsibility For Attack On Police Academy 31 Mar 2009 The top Taliban commander in Pakistan promised an assault on Washington "soon" - one he says will "amaze" the world. "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Baitullah Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. Mehsud also claimed responsibility for Monday's attack on a police academy outside the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore, saying it was in retaliation for U.S. missile strikes against militants along the Afghan border.
Taliban Leader's Washington Threat Is Credible, Analysts Say --Mehsud identified the White House as one of the targets. 31 Mar 2009 Baitullah Mehsud, commander of the Taliban in Pakistan, told The Associated Press in an interview Tuesday that his group was responsible for Monday's attack on a police academy in his country that killed seven police officers and injured more than 90 others. He also said, chillingly: "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world." In an interview with local Dewa Radio, which was obtained by The Associated Press, Mehsud identified the White House as one of the targets.
Taliban Leader Vows to Attack D.C. "Soon" --Pakistani Taliban Commander Also Claims Responsibility For Attack On Police Academy 31 Mar 2009 The top Taliban commander in Pakistan promised an assault on Washington "soon" - one he says will "amaze" the world. "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Baitullah Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. Mehsud also claimed responsibility for Monday's attack on a police academy outside the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore, saying it was in retaliation for U.S. missile strikes against militants along the Afghan border.
Petraeus: Military Reserves 'Right of Last Resort' for Threats Inside Pakistan 30 Mar 2009 The U.S. military will reserve the "right of last resort" to take out threats inside Pakistan, but it would prefer to enable the Pakistani military to do the job itself, General David Petraeus said Monday in an exclusive interview with FOX News. The commander of U.S. Central Command was interviewed as the Obama administration prepares to step up the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Pakistan killers captured after second onslaught in Lahore 31 Mar 2009 The Pakistani city of Lahore was reeling from another terrorist outrage last night after a dozen gunmen stormed a police academy and killed at least 13 people in an eight-hour shootout with security forces. Rehman Malik, the Interior Minister, said that the gunmen were believed to be fighters loyal to the Pakistani Taleban commander Baitullah Mehsud. The Pakistani Taleban said a little-known group called Fedayin al-Islam was responsible.
'We will continue our attacks until the Pakistan government stops supporting the Americans' --Pakistan Taleban chief Baitullah Mehsud
Lahore 'was Pakistan Taleban op' -- 07:17 GMT, 31 Mar 2009 08:17 UK The chief of the Pakistani Taleban, Baitullah Mehsud, has told the BBC his group was behind Monday's deadly attack on a police academy in Lahore. He said the attack was "in retaliation for the continued drone strikes by the US in collaboration with Pakistan on our people". He also claimed responsibility for two other recent deadly attacks. Baitullah Mehsud said the attacks would continue "until the Pakistan government stops supporting the Americans"...Pakistan's interior minister earlier identified the Taleban as well as other extremist groups as possible perpetrators, and suggested a foreign state could also be involved. Speaking to the BBC by phone, he also claimed responsibility for two other attacks:
* A suicide attack on a security convoy, also on Monday, near the town of Bannu in North West Frontier Province, which killed seven security personnel
* An attack on the offices of an intelligence agency in Islamabad on 25 March
Rewards for Justice: Baitullah Mehsud --Gordon Duguid, Acting Deputy Department Spokesman, Office of the Spokesman, Bureau of Public Affairs, Washington, DC, March 25, 2009 The U.S. Department of State has authorized a reward of up to $5 million for information leading to the location, arrest, and/or conviction of Baitullah Mehsud, the senior leader of Tehrik-e-Taliban (Taliban Movement of Pakistan). Mehsud is regarded as a key al-Qa'ida facilitator in the tribal areas of South Waziristan in Pakistan. Pakistani authorities believe that the January 2007 suicide attack against the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad was staged by militants loyal to Mehsud... In addition, Mehsud has stated his intention to attack the United States. He has conducted cross-border attacks against U.S. forces in Afghanistan, and poses a clear threat to American persons and interests in the region.
Mehsud visits parts of S.Waziristan 02 Oct 2008 Supreme commander of the banned outfit Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan, Baitullah Mehsud visited different area of South Waziristan on Thursday. According to Taliban sources, Meshsud visited Makeen, Ladha, Badar, Salay Rogha and other areas. The tribesmen upon seeing the Taliban commander, fired their guns in the air. Speaking on the occasion, the speakers said the electronic media is airing news regarding the death of Baitullah Mehsud, causing concern among the tribesmen.
Taliban leader in Pakistan, Baitullah Mehsud, 'dies from kidney failure' --Speculation is mounting that Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani wing of the Taliban, has died from kidney failure. By Isambard Wilkinson in Islamabad 01 Oct 2008 Mehsud was accused by Pakistan and US intelligence of being responsible for the assassination of the former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto. Rumours of his death are circulating in Pakistan. The former fitness instructor turned terrorist leader has diabetes and has been reported to be unwell for months. Mehsud, in his mid-thirties, rose suddenly from obscurity possibly with the support of a faction of Pakistan's shadowy ISI military intelligence that has secretly backed the Taliban. However, his doctor said he had an unspecified kidney problem, but that he was alive. Mehsud has denied involvement in the attack on Bhutto as she left an election rally in the city of Rawalpindi on Dec. 27, which her widower, Mr Zardari, has blamed on Pakistan's establishment.
Baitullah Mehsud dies 01 Oct 2008 Supreme Commander of the defunct Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan Baitullah Mehsud is dead, Geo News reported early on Wednesday. The TTP leader had been indisposed for quite some time. A few weeks ago he had survived a severe diabetic attack but again fell seriously ill three days back.
All I know is, I want to come back to life as a Taleban or al-CIAduh commander. Such men are truly immortal. See also:
Injured, re-killed Ayman al-Zawahri is back! By Lori Price 29 Sep 2008
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17622
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/180638-Dead-Pakistan-Taleban-Chief-Takes-Credit-for-Lahore-Terror-Attack-
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/180552-Obama-admits-or-predicts-Attack-on-US-soil-likely
http://www.legitgov.org/dead_al-qaeda_injured_020808.html
[B]Zawahiri back from the dead as well
Al-Zawahri is back from the dead again, giving interviews! By Lori Price 28 Nov 2008
Zawahiri blames global financial crisis on 9/11 in latest al-Qaeda video 28 Nov 2008 Al-Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has said in a new internet video that the international financial crisis is the result of a US war on Muslims and the Sept 11 attacks. Zawahiri also claimed the recent security gains made by US forces in Iraq were only temporary and Afghan President Hamid Karzai's offers to negotiate with Taliban elements were a sign of his regime's weakness.
Qaeda's Zawahri says U.S. wars behind financial crisis 28 Nov 2008 Al Qaeda's second-in-command said in an Internet video the U.S. financial crisis was caused by Washington's military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan and taxpayers were paying the price. "This crisis is one of ... the series of American economic hemorrhages after the strikes of September 11... And these ... will continue as long as the foolish American policy of wading in Muslim blood continues," Ayman al-Zawahri said on the video, posted on Islamist websites on Friday.
Re-killed Ayman al-Zawahiri is back in 'audio message,' taunting Obama By Lori Price 19 Nov 2008
The elusive, whack-a-mole al-Qaeda #2 is back again (from the dead)! Ayman al-Zawahiri criticized U.S. President-elect Barack Obama in an 'audio message' posted on the Internet, calling him dishonorable and a servant of whites, the Associated Press reported. The second-in-command of Islamic militant network al-Qaeda [al-CIAduh] has called on Muslims to harm "criminal" America. You just can't keep a good terrorist down (or dead) for long, especially when Bush needs a terror attack/martial law before January 20.
Do they honestly think were that stupid or are most movers and shakers really that stupid?