Clinton Advisor: Population Has Exceeded Limits

[pduffy4]

Clinton Advisor: Earth’s Population Has Exceeded Limits
http://www.prisonplanet.com/clinton-advisor-earths-population-has-exceeded-limits.html

get this, the bitch went to none other than the Rockefeller University!:mad: From this page http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/89337.htm

[jesuitsdidit]

wots the big idea
all these threads being started with a link
what about those on limited net allowance??

[jesuitsdidit]

here it is



http://www.prisonplanet.com/clinton-advisor-earths-population-has-exceeded-limits.html


Clinton Advisor: Earth’s Population Has Exceeded Limits

Scientist calls for reduction in global population

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, April 1, 2009

One of most influential scientists in the US government has said that the Earth’s population has exceeded the planet’s “limits of sustainability”.

Dr Nina Fedoroff, the science and technology advisor to the US secretary of state, currently Hillary Clinton, told the BBC’s “One Planet” program that “There are probably already too many people on the planet.”

“We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can’t support many more people,” Fedoroff said.

Fedoroff, a National Medal of Science laureate (America’s highest science award) has held the position as government advisor since 2007 and previously worked with Condoleezza Rice.

The professor of molecular biology also advocated the widespread introduction of genetically modified foods, slamming those who have criticized the unknown effects of GM as living in the past.

“We wouldn’t think of going to our doctor and saying ‘Treat me the way doctors treated people in the 19th Century’, and yet that’s what we’re demanding in food production.”

Fedoroff’s comments echo those of other prominent scientists who have thrown their weight behind the long term agenda to implement measures to stem the population of the planet. This view is gaining ground with increased pressure on governments to act over climate change as the justification.

Read more about the elite depopulation agenda in our previous report here.

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[jesuitsdidit]

i agree
more ppl than planet can support

[avaruus]

if you agree, why don't start with yourself?
bye bye..
go kill yourself now

[lightgiver]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=903041&posted=1#post903041

[endlessvista]

No problem.

Let the Climate Change activists, the Population Optimum Trusts, Enviornmental journalists, the Royal Families of Europe, Bill and Monican Gates and their children, Ted Turner and family, the Clintons, the Gore's, all the Transhumanist College Professors, De Mayer Rothschild, and all the Acedemics in favour of population reduction administer cynaide pills to their families before killing themselves anyway they chose.

They best argument they can present is to lead by example and wipe themselves and their own kin off the face of the earth to save it.

It is only right and I am sure when they speak in sactimonious tones about a sustainable Eath and culling of man, they include themselves and their kin in with this.

Right? Hello?????

[bobhodge]

if you agree, why don't start with yourself?
bye bye..
go kill yourself now

i agree with this. there are too many people on the planet. but why would i kill myself? this is silliness. its survival of the fittest.

[endlessvista]

i agree with this. there are too many people on the planet.


No there isn't - this is just the new hippy path to the Eugenics and Genocide of the people the same elites have always salivated for.

A few years ago Prince Phillip wanted to kill humanity with an airborne virus, now they are 'concerned' about "climate change".

New excuse, same old illuminati shit.

[oiram]

No problem.

Let the Climate Change activists, the Population Optimum Trusts, Enviornmental journalists, the Royal Families of Europe, Bill and Monican Gates and their children, Ted Turner and family, the Clintons, the Gore's, all the Transhumanist College Professors, De Mayer Rothschild, and all the Acedemics in favour of population reduction administer cynaide pills to their families before killing themselves anyway they chose.

They best argument they can present is to lead by example and wipe themselves and their own kin off the face of the earth to save it.

It is only right and I am sure when they speak in sactimonious tones about a sustainable Eath and culling of man, they include themselves and their kin in with this.

Right? Hello?????Also if they all take the lead we would have 10% maniac reduction. Absolutly no problem with me! :D

[simplify]

I don't belive for a minute that the planet is overpopulated. They are lying to us as usual.

Think about all the wars that have killed people and are still going on. All the poverty & hunger that kill people. Diseases like Aids & Cancer + many others that are killing millions every day. Lets not forget the natural disasters that kill people, cause disease and more deaths. Don't forget murders, suicides, drug users, car accidents & other accidents.......the list goes on. In the west, our average size family (I think) is 2 children or less. We have an aging population that is not been replaced.

With all of this.......how can we possibly have an overpopulated. Some western countries are actually worried about their population dropping so much.:confused:

[mightyoak]

Yes i agree there is an over popullation upon this Mother earth.

Too many Illuminated Lizards, Bent politicians, and Greedy Banker's to name but a few..........

[the nine]

i agree
more ppl than planet can support

if you take the population of the world, give each person 1 acre each, then the land you would need would be north america (including central america and the carribean).

the rest of the world would be empty! think about that..

to many super rich for the planet to support, more like!

[the nine]

i agree with this. there are too many people on the planet. but why would i kill myself? this is silliness. its survival of the fittest.

you mean the survival of the people who can afford the best weapons security!
nothing to do with the fittest..:rolleyes:

[pduffy4]

wots the big idea
all these threads being started with a link
what about those on limited net allowance??

I have never heard of limited net allowance. Also there can be complaints from people for posting long messages. Can't win I guess.

[pduffy4]

There are not too many people on the planet. It can cope with many more people. The problem is the deliberate reduction in world farming output and using polluting forms of energy production which have been obsolete for over 100 years.

[beldazar]

i agree
more ppl than planet can support

But there isnt! Its one big lie. Eake a train ride and see field after field of unpopulated land. People are just grouped together. (makes them easier to control)

[avaruus]

i agree with this. there are too many people on the planet. but why would i kill myself? this is silliness. its survival of the fittest.

where the hell does all does PRO NWO people come from on this forum..?

:eek:

[beldazar]

where the hell does all does PRO NWO people come from on this forum..?

:eek:


I dont think they are pro NWO just not thinking straight :)

[bowtiedaddy]

I dont think they are pro NWO just not thinking straight :)

no..there ARE actually a lot of pro NWO people on here. Even one of the moderators is always going on about how he thinks....get this... a communist world government where all resources are controlled by an elite group of people, where you aren't allowed to own anything, or control your use of resources is a good solution for what ails the world (I believe he's also praised Eugenics and population reduction as well). Then I accuse him of being pro-nwo and he calls me ... a "new world order" disinfo agent. :)

This place is more full of NWO shills than a CFR conference where David Rockefeller is scheduled to speak.

[beldazar]

Im referring to the two people on this thread who commented about over-population :rolleyes:

edit, which mod said that?

[bowtiedaddy]

Im referring to the two people on this thread who commented about over-population :rolleyes:

edit, which mod said that?

I can't remember his name, but he's the dude with the hood on his head from Texas. He talks about it all the time... go ahead and ask him.. I'm sure he'll argue the point as if he were at a Bilderberg meeting himself.

[beldazar]

I can't remember his name, but he's the dude with the hood on his head from Texas. He talks about it all the time... go ahead and ask him.. I'm sure he'll argue the point as if he were at a Bilderberg meeting himself.

Yes I know who you mean then. I havent heard him say anything like that but I will take your word for it

[bowtiedaddy]

Yes I know who you mean then. I havent heard him say anything like that but I will take your word for it

Don't take my word for it. I think it was in the secret societies board... We had a big long argument about it. A thread, I think that was actually called "dawn of a new world". He even said to me, what's so wrong with the new world order, maybe we need it... while later getting offended that I said he was pro new world order. Orwellian double speak, if I've ever seen it.

[bowtiedaddy]

darketernal is his name, I was just reminded.

[misterethoughts]

Sooner or later we will all go; bye, bye....

[bowtiedaddy]

Yes, only NATURE (god, the creator energy, whatever) is supposed to designate that... not a bunch of power hungry bankers with a screw loose and a talent for propaganda.

[vladmir]

Agent Smith would be proud.

[jesuitsdidit]

No there isn't - this is just the new hippy path to the Eugenics and Genocide of the people the same elites have always salivated for.

A few years ago Prince Phillip wanted to kill humanity with an airborne virus, now they are 'concerned' about "climate change".

New excuse, same old illuminati shit.

so whats the max human popln iyo??

[jesuitsdidit]

where the hell does all does PRO NWO people come from on this forum..?

:eek:

im not pro nwo
pro sustainability
not living as if we had 4.5 planets instead of 1
or is that all a lie too??

[bobhodge]

im not pro NWO either. im pro evolution. for the world to evolve the human race must become extinct.

[beldazar]

im not pro nwo
pro sustainability
not living as if we had 4.5 planets instead of 1
or is that all a lie too??


By the way, theres no such thing as food shortage either....

[gilly]

By the way, theres no such thing as food shortage either....

Not that they aren't deliberately trying to create one now. :mad:

[jesuitsdidit]

By the way, theres no such thing as food shortage either....

not convinced

and.. wots yr figure for max human popln
or is it just a 'gut-feeling' that its bs?

have you considered the possibility we may be living contrary to the laws of nature/sustainability??

or is that all bs too?

[jesuitsdidit]

I have never heard of limited net allowance. Also there can be complaints from people for posting long messages. Can't win I guess.

theres a difference between posting reams of unnecessary crap and whats relevant

quoting 5 sides of A4 to say 'i agree' is not very intelligent is it? you could quote the first few sentences so ppl know what u r referring to and then say i agree with your post...
thats why ppl get pissed off with unnecessary posting
but if you r going to start a thread, at least tell us what the thrd is about pls??

it would help if the moderators explained to new-comers that you can quote specific sections of a post by deleting the unnecessary parts while using the quote facility
thats why ppl get pissed off with unnecessary posting
theres a difference between whats relevant and what isnt imo
i guess we'll have to leave it to the moderators to decide whats relevant n what isnt

all i know is if you spend half your time scrolling thru crap the whole thing becomes pointless
its a question of measure..

and yes some ppls allowance is limited, depends on yr plan
another reason why ppl get pissed off with uploading unnecessarily long pages
perhaps we need to be more vocal with those who are wasting time and net space
i guess the maxim shd be "keep it as short as you can"
and dont quote long posts just to say 'yes'

[endlessvista]

so whats the max human popln iyo??


There is a study done which calculates the known resources of the planet, along with land availible and includes factors such as infrastrutual impact per person, food and water supply and it came to the conclusion that the earth can comfortably support 100 Billion Humans at a Western standard of living for 10,000 years.

The current world population could live, survive and be healthy and happy all in the Australian state of Queensland.

The overpopulation myth is a lie to cover the real problem and that is how the current 6.5 billion are being treated like animals by the Illuminati. That's the real issue.

It is the elites which are unsustainable, not the people they enslave.

[bobhodge]

There is a study done which calculates the known resources of the planet, along with land availible and includes factors such as infrastrutual impact per person, food and water supply and it came to the conclusion that the earth can comfortably support 100 Billion Humans at a Western standard of living for 10,000 years.

The current world population could live, survive and be healthy and happy all in the Australian state of Queensland.

The overpopulation myth is a lie to cover the real problem and that is how the current 6.5 billion are being treated like animals by the Illuminati. That's the real issue.

It is the elites which are unsustainable, not the people they enslave.

total nonsense. what qualifies as 'western standard of living'? how many kilojoules of energy is that per person per day?

[avaruus]

there is no food shortage
when fresh eatable food is dumped everyday due to past expire dates.

[jesuitsdidit]

The current world population could live, survive and be healthy and happy all in the Australian state of Queensland.

what and grow their food
or r they gonna be living on pills??

[jesuitsdidit]

There is a study done which calculates the known resources of the planet, along with land availible and includes factors such as infrastrutual impact per person, food and water supply and it came to the conclusion that the earth can comfortably support 100 Billion Humans at a Western standard of living for 10,000 years.

The current world population could live, survive and be healthy and happy all in the Australian state of Queensland.

The overpopulation myth is a lie to cover the real problem and that is how the current 6.5 billion are being treated like animals by the Illuminati. That's the real issue.

It is the elites which are unsustainable, not the people they enslave.

so the current level of human population and its activities arent having an adverse effect on the planet??

[endlessvista]

what and grow their food
or r they gonna be living on pills??

They will have enough land for cultivaton and food processing. The earth is so far away from being overpopulated it is commical to even suggest it (unless your a Rothschild who is nervous about people getting wise to you). The earth is massive and humans are tiny. Vast areas of the United States to this day have no people living on them and much of that space has never even been explored by humans on foot. I am not just talking Alaska, I am talking about parts of Colorado, Idaho, and even parts of tiny West Virginia have wooded areas untouched by humans. Look at New York state for god's sake. Most of it is empty and places like Manhattan are not filled with starving millions. This is the USA here, now think of the vast habitable lands all over the world. Filled with untapped agricuture, food and water.

You just do not get it. Humans do not need vast amounts of resources to have a good quality of life unless their name is Clinton, Gore, Rothschild, Saxe-Gothe or Madonna. Human life is very sustainable - it is illuminati greed and evil which isn't.

[2013]

not convinced

and.. wots yr figure for max human popln
or is it just a 'gut-feeling' that its bs?

have you considered the possibility we may be living contrary to the laws of nature/sustainability??

or is that all bs too?
Google map of the UK .The isle of wight is the bit at the bottom outlined in red .
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5809/90185703.jpg
Close up of the island 22 miles at its widest point
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8097/iow.jpg

Satellite image showing the green areas .Plenty of space there is plenty of available land to grow more food to sustain us .This is just on one tiny island .
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7518/iwgreen.jpg

and closer

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7884/iwcloser.jpg

[2013]

they will have enough land for cultivaton and food processing. The earth is so far away from being overpopulated it is commical to even suggest it (unless your a rothschild who is nervous about people getting wise to you). The earth is massive and humans are tiny. Vast areas of the united states to this day have no people living on them and much of that space has never even been explored by humans on foot. I am not just talking alaska, i am talking about parts of colorado, idaho, and even parts of tiny west virginia have wooded areas untouched by humans. Look at new york state for god's sake. Most of it is empty and places like manhattan are not filled with starving millions. This is the usa here, now think of the vast habitable lands all over the world. Filled with untapped agricuture, food and water.

You just do not get it. Humans do not need vast amounts of resources to have a good quality of life unless their name is clinton, gore, rothschild, saxe-gothe or madonna. Human life is very sustainable - it is illuminati greed and evil which isn't.

sync ! :d

[beldazar]

Thanks for putting that up endlessvista and 2013. I went to reply twice then decided I couldnt be bothered......

[bobhodge]

They will have enough land for cultivaton and food processing. The earth is so far away from being overpopulated it is commical to even suggest it (unless your a Rothschild who is nervous about people getting wise to you). The earth is massive and humans are tiny. Vast areas of the United States to this day have no people living on them and much of that space has never even been explored by humans on foot. I am not just talking Alaska, I am talking about parts of Colorado, Idaho, and even parts of tiny West Virginia have wooded areas untouched by humans. Look at New York state for god's sake. Most of it is empty and places like Manhattan are not filled with starving millions. This is the USA here, now think of the vast habitable lands all over the world. Filled with untapped agricuture, food and water.

You just do not get it. Humans do not need vast amounts of resources to have a good quality of life unless their name is Clinton, Gore, Rothschild, Saxe-Gothe or Madonna. Human life is very sustainable - it is illuminati greed and evil which isn't.

im waiting for you to back up your 100billion population statement.

[romas]

Well first of all the elites want clean earth for themselves, they want thriving wilderness and diverse genotype so they can go out and have some sick hunt as they usualy do, that's kind of obvious and second yes there are to many people, if you don't "believe" or "think" you're a moron, have you even done anything to ease the living of those who already suffer from hunger? It doesn't matter who created it, it's here and if we're "nice" "awake" then maybe we should focus on how to fix it instead of posting some preprogrammed nonesense. 100 billion, what a laugh, where is the study?

Posting your retarded christian or some new age fairy tale beliefs on internet is one thing, actually doing something or atleast analyzing data logically is another.

The truth is you want to convince yourself and others as somehow you're entitled to this planet, just as the bankers and other lunatics, they to think they "own" this earth. Lunatics on both sides who only care for themselves and their "offspring", sure lets have 100 billion people, fuck the rest of fauna and flora, lets flood this motherfucker till kingdom comes.

And then what Einstein, after we reach 100 billion those living at that time are not going to be able to have any offspring at all, noble sacrifice of our future generation :D

[sedate_solution]

You only need to look back a couple hundred years to find out the planets natural human pop limit without intensive farming and such. It's between half a million and two million !

[jesuitsdidit]

You only need to look back a couple hundred years to find out the planets natural human pop limit without intensive farming and such. It's between half a million and two million !

agree

[endlessvista]

im waiting for you to back up your 100billion population statement.

I can't I came across info on the data from some professor I heard on an Irish radio talk show last year. Can't recall him, his university or anything - except that he had a English accent. I have no data to back it up except to promise you I am not lying and the professor's argument and data was very convincing.

Sorry, you'll just have to take my word for it or try and google it.

[endlessvista]

You only need to look back a couple hundred years to find out the planets natural human pop limit without intensive farming and such. It's between half a million and two million !

WTF!!!!

Are you claiming the population of the entire earth was only 2 million max a couple of centuries back?

The city of Rome had 1 million alone 2 thousand years ago. We simply do not know the population of earth maybe 10,000 years back. It could of been billions for all we know.

[endlessvista]

agree

agree with what? Total bollox?

[sedate_solution]

WTF!!!!

Are you claiming the population of the entire earth was only 2 million max a couple of centuries back?

The city of Rome had 1 million alone 2 thousand years ago. We simply do not know the population of earth maybe 10,000 years back. It could of been billions for all we know.

I did metion WITHOUT INTENSIVE FARMING, meaning no city's. I'm trying to get across the fact that Earths human population has boomed only recently !

http://www.beltramiswcd.org/Aquatic%20Biology/Human%20Population%20Growth.jpg

[sedate_solution]

agree with what? Total bollox?

Lol and you agree with someone saying Earth can support Billions upon Billions without breaking !

[jesuitsdidit]

WTF!!!!

Are you claiming the population of the entire earth was only 2 million max a couple of centuries back?

The city of Rome had 1 million alone 2 thousand years ago. We simply do not know the population of earth maybe 10,000 years back. It could of been billions for all we know.

i think he means billion..

[endlessvista]

Lol and you agree with someone saying Earth can support Billions upon Billions without breaking !

Because they earth can. It is not the number which is the issue it is the administration of humanity which is. The problems which the Illuminati and their gatekeepers claim to be a result of overpopulation is completely false. The problems are not cause by too many humans, it is cause by too many manipulated supply chain disruptions and too few people controlling all the resources.

We live on a planet of plenty. Unfortuanately there is plenty of propaganda too and people are too willingly to beleive it.

and like I said if you and the others feel this to be a problem then slaughter yourselves and your own families first if you are so concerned.

Simple really, save the earth by getting a lenght of piano wire and look for a lamppost. Simple, one less prolematic human for the Earth to be burdered with.

I am sure you and the others looking for a culling of man will show the way and lead by example? So kill yourself and stop demanding that others be murdered to service your illuminati inspired compassion for Gaia.

[jesuitsdidit]

i think he means billion..

or maybe not
neway i feel 1 billion wd be a good start

[endlessvista]

i think he means billion..


Then why did he write millions?

[sedate_solution]

Then why did he write millions?

I DO mean millions, as thats where we would be without intensive farming !

[endlessvista]

I'm trying to get across the fact that Earths human population has boomed only recently !
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So what? Humans are beautiful.

More of us to take on the Illuminati.

[endlessvista]

I DO mean millions, as thats where we would be without intensive farming !

What's wrong with intensive farming? We should stop that. Is that what you are saying.

It works wonderful until the Illuminati's Monsanto started fucking with it.


BTW how come you are still alive? You should of committed suicide by now. Seening as overpopulation is such a concern for you. This is one thing you can take into your own hands and make a real difference.

Go on there, put your head in the gas cooker while making a fist in the air as you scream "I saved the earth!" Surely such an ethically minded person like yourself is not expecting others to be put to the sword and not you? Heaven forbid!

[sedate_solution]

So what? Humans are beautiful.

More of us to take on the Illuminati.

I agree there, only who's gonna organise us to do so and to then live in harmony with Earth !

[sedate_solution]

What's wrong with intensive farming? We should stop that. Is that what you are saying.

It works wonderful until the Illuminati's Monsanto started fucking with it.


BTW how come you are still alive?

I also agree there, It's a matter of numbers enit. you're bound to get twats being born into a population when you get to the numbers humanity has :D

[endlessvista]

I also agree there, It's a matter of numbers enit. you're bound to get twats being born into a population when you get to the numbers humanity has :D

How come you are still alive?

I do not get it, you have a chance to make one less horrible human on the earth. Why are you not dead yet? You really cannot expect others to be slaughtered to ease your concerns about over population now?

[sedate_solution]

How come you are still alive?

I do not get it, you have a chance to make one less horrible human on the earth. Why are not dead yet? You really cannot expect others to be slaughtered to ease your concerns about over population now?

LoL, you must be one of them twats too. Where have I sugested in this thread or forum that humanity needs a die off, Infact that is the first thing I say to someone who suggests such a thing.

BUT, we can still talk about the effects of too many human beings on the planet wanting access to the same resources.

[endlessvista]

I agree there, only who's gonna organise us to do so and to then live in harmony with Earth !

Good question. That's why we are all here mate.

But I will say one thing, no way am I going to be told that I have to have my own family, the beautiful people of earth, be culled by an inbred sub-species living in Palaces and Stately Mansions.

[endlessvista]

LoL, you must be one of them twats too. Where have I sugested in this thread or forum that humanity needs a die off, Infact that is the first thing I say to someone who suggests such a thing.

BUT, we can still talk about the effects of too many human beings on the planet wanting access to the same resources.


Hold on, something is not right here? You are still alive!

I thought you were concerned about over population??? What gives?

[sedate_solution]

Good question. That's why we are all here mate.

But I will say one thing, no way am I going to be told that I have to have my own family, the beautiful people of earth, be culled by an inbred sub-species living in Palaces and Stately Mansions.

Aye, it's the very same ELITE that make the populations desire material wealth and such !

[the nine]

no..there ARE actually a lot of pro NWO people on here. Even one of the moderators is always going on about how he thinks....get this... a communist world government where all resources are controlled by an elite group of people, where you aren't allowed to own anything, or control your use of resources is a good solution for what ails the world (I believe he's also praised Eugenics and population reduction as well). Then I accuse him of being pro-nwo and he calls me ... a "new world order" disinfo agent. :)

This place is more full of NWO shills than a CFR conference where David Rockefeller is scheduled to speak.

:D

[sedate_solution]

Hold on, something is not right here? You are still alive!

I thought you were concerned about over population??? What gives?

Personal note to self, don't join a debate with endlessvista !


I'm more concerned about humanitys lack of concern for the environment.

[the nine]

im not pro NWO either. im pro evolution. for the world to evolve the human race must become extinct.

fuck off and be the first then..lead by example man..show us the way

[endlessvista]

Aye, it's the very same ELITE that make the populations desire material wealth and such !


Howe come you are still alive using up the Earth's limited resources?

[the nine]

not convinced

and.. wots yr figure for max human popln
or is it just a 'gut-feeling' that its bs?

have you considered the possibility we may be living contrary to the laws of nature/sustainability??

or is that all bs too?

the laws of nature, will find a natural predator the quell overpopulation of any of its creatures..why must you assume you know better than nature?

[endlessvista]

Personal note to self, don't join a debate with endlessvista !


I'm more concerned about humanitys lack of concern for the environment.

Oh so now I get it!

Affulent whites living in the West but who are concenred about the overpopulation (like yourself), you say THEY should be allowed to live, but others who do not share your eternal heartbeak and empathy for the planet you expect them to be slaughtered?

So whom do you think should be culled first? Poor fuckers in third world countries who do not have access to the internet so they can come on this board demanding genocide and eugenics in the name of saving the environment? Have you cleared it with these people the plans you have for them?

So now that you are demanding other people be salughtered while you live to get a bigger share of the pie (in the name of saving the planet of course), have you considered becoming a Common Purpose Community Leader?

[the nine]

There is a study done which calculates the known resources of the planet, along with land availible and includes factors such as infrastrutual impact per person, food and water supply and it came to the conclusion that the earth can comfortably support 100 Billion Humans at a Western standard of living for 10,000 years.

The current world population could live, survive and be healthy and happy all in the Australian state of Queensland.

The overpopulation myth is a lie to cover the real problem and that is how the current 6.5 billion are being treated like animals by the Illuminati. That's the real issue.

It is the elites which are unsustainable, not the people they enslave.

excellent post

[miracles]

Come to New Zealand, theres only 4.2 mil of us, and about 60 million sheep. Pleanty of room and lots of lamb and mutton. Yum. Ive even got a coupleof rooms for rent. Reasonable rates. :)

If you want to know what is at the root of the whole green movement. Its this. They are extremly dangerously religious pagans and they worship Mother Earth. I cant remember the guys name, an extremly rich billionaire has a religious covert compond somewhere in the sates with very strong views on culling mankind to save Earth Mother. Does anyone know who I mean?

[sedate_solution]

Howe come you are still alive using up the Earth's limited resources?

LoL, kk

Go 'n' chop every tree on planet earth down mate and then see if we're here a few weeks later. Hmm me thinks most of the life on this beautifull planet will have died off.

Haven't you seen the news lately mate, species going extinct faster than any other time in our short history on Earth !

It's the modern lifestyle that is ruining the Earth and not the size of the population !

[romas]

fuck off and be the first then..lead by example man..show us the way



You just don't get it do you lol he'd kill you first before the suicide so as to make the earth "pure"

Though I think the best way to let humanity to destroy itself is actually let rampant reproduction and max resource consumption until they really run out, then people will just kill each other over their deluded beliefs and few resources.

Restore the credit system and let our grandchildren worry about repaying the bills, lets burn all forests and triple the plastic bag production, lets live the dream man! I'll sing a few songs for the brainwashed women, who I think are fit for insemination, about how rich I am(after I've signed a contract to ensure the banks that all of my kids are responsible for whatever credit deficit I'll leave, the more kids I have the smaller the burden on each will be!) Talk about genius perpetual growth!

[endlessvista]

It's the modern lifestyle that is ruining the Earth and not the size of the population !

Amazing! So what the fuck are doing on a computer then?

You evil planet killer!

I think the fillings in your teeth are starting to pick up the BBC World Service.

[the nine]

so the current level of human population and its activities arent having an adverse effect on the planet??

no western science and technology suppression, fueled by greed and arrogance of the money families, not having a care in the world for anything except profit margins..how can you really blame innocent people for this mess? whats your goal..do you think your family will not be earmarked for extinction, if the global elite get their way?

[jesuitsdidit]

So what? Humans are beautiful.

not from what ive seen
to me today they r exhibiting qualities (in the West anyway) of short-sightedness, greed, stupidity, selfishness, arrogance, cruelty, and many more if i had the time to think about it

and, are they more beautiful than God's other creatures??
i dont think so

r they more valuable than God's other creatures??
im not sure they are

do they have the right to destroy the planet??

etc etc

[endlessvista]

no western science and technology suppression, fueled by greed and arrogance of the money families, not having a care in the world for anything except profit margins..how can you really blame innocent people for this mess? whats your goal..do you think your family will not be earmarked for extinction, if the global elite get their way?

Well said.

Maybe we should find a compromise and wait for Madonna to adopt them all.

[jesuitsdidit]

I DO mean millions, as thats where we would be without intensive farming !

here here

[sedate_solution]

Amazing! So what the fuck are doing on a computer then?

You evil planet killer!

I think the fillings in your teeth are starting to pick up the BBC World Service.

Hmm, me thinks this is a personal vandetta.

Yeah, I'm on a SEVEN year old laptop !

You must be trying to justify your habit of getting a new mobile phone every twelve months or something !

[the nine]

You only need to look back a couple hundred years to find out the planets natural human pop limit without intensive farming and such. It's between half a million and two million !

or even further back in time to just 2 people before that pesky serpent interfered eh?:rolleyes:

[jesuitsdidit]

What's wrong with intensive farming? We should stop that.

coz it fucks the earth with art fertilizers etc

[the nine]

I did metion WITHOUT INTENSIVE FARMING, meaning no city's. I'm trying to get across the fact that Earths human population has boomed only recently !

http://www.beltramiswcd.org/Aquatic%20Biology/Human%20Population%20Growth.jpg

are you saying we should bring back dinosaurs?:rolleyes:

[jesuitsdidit]

Surely such an ethically minded person like yourself is not expecting others to be put to the sword and not you?

i dont think hes suggesting others to be put to the sword

i think hes saying we should think about where we r going..

and perhaps do sth bout it b4 its 2 late..

[sedate_solution]

are you saying we should bring back dinosaurs?:rolleyes:


LoL, yeah.

That'd sort the damn HUMANS out lol :D :D :D

[jesuitsdidit]

Good question. That's why we are all here mate.

But I will say one thing, no way am I going to be told that I have to have my own family, the beautiful people of earth, be culled by an inbred sub-species living in Palaces and Stately Mansions.

hes not suggesting a cull
he wants you to start looking at wot u r doing..

[rydeon]

There is a study done which calculates the known resources of the planet, along with land availible and includes factors such as infrastrutual impact per person, food and water supply and it came to the conclusion that the earth can comfortably support 100 Billion Humans at a Western standard of living for 10,000 years.

The current world population could live, survive and be healthy and happy all in the Australian state of Queensland.

The overpopulation myth is a lie to cover the real problem and that is how the current 6.5 billion are being treated like animals by the Illuminati. That's the real issue.

It is the elites which are unsustainable, not the people they enslave.
Yes, but this means that soverign nations would have to be invaded and mass population upheaval would ensure.
It's like the grand schemes and flowery ideas put forth by an artist. It looks great on paper but not quite that simple in real life.

[the nine]

Lol and you agree with someone saying Earth can support Billions upon Billions without breaking !

IT can, if the populations are civillised and responsible and care for their environment, not desperately fighting for survival and being pitied against on and other and not warring greedy profit driven, technology suppressing, selfish sepratists..
there is no room for the ruling elite.thats all, for everyone else and many many more, there is plenty of room, this planet is a wonderful place, a special environment, which need ruling by love, not animal aggression, that is why we have intelligence..we just have to use it now..

[sedate_solution]

IT can, if the populations are civillised and responsible and care for their environment, not desperately fighting for survival and being pitied against on and other and not warring greedy profit driven, technology suppressing, selfish sepratists..
there is no room for the ruling elite.thats all, for everyone else and many many more, there is plenty of room, this planet is a wonderful place, a special environment, which need ruling by love, not animal aggression, that is why we have intelligence..we just have to use it now..

Somehow, i don't think it's possible.

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to eat fish, Fish populations are low at the moment

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to eat apples, you'll need a planet covered in orchards

Will these billions and billions of peeps want fuel, If they use wood burners for heat all the tree's will be gone within such a short time !

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to drink fresh water, somehow I don't think there will be enough for all. Oh wait there is loads of water in the oceans, oh wait you need loads of energy to remove the SALT !

Thinks about what your saying guys !

[jesuitsdidit]

IT can,

dont believe ya
1 billion is wot id like to see
then see how things r looking
man's behaviour is ignorant and short sighted at the moment imo
i dont know if global warmings a hoax
i dont know if man contributes
i see v strong evidence we r heading 4 an ice age - the 12000 yr holocene cycle etc
if true that shd seriously dictate our policy on many things
bcoz it will almost certainly mean a huge die-off

i dont think you can argue with regularly recurring cycles
i had a thrd on this 2 months ago
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52348

[the nine]

LoL, kk

Go 'n' chop every tree on planet earth down mate and then see if we're here a few weeks later. Hmm me thinks most of the life on this beautifull planet will have died off.

Haven't you seen the news lately mate, species going extinct faster than any other time in our short history on Earth !

It's the modern lifestyle that is ruining the Earth and not the size of the population !

how would you know? because the news 'tells' you...??? listen to yourself, ffs!
didnt we have mass extinctions of all the serpents/dinosaurs etc? is it more now or then?..please educate me..
whats does the news say about this?:rolleyes:

[endlessvista]

Hmm, me thinks this is a personal vandetta.

Yeah, I'm on a SEVEN year old laptop !

You must be trying to justify your habit of getting a new mobile phone every twelve months or something !

Not at all. I just object to you and the other "genocide and eugenics for everyone else but me" brigade.

I am not going to sit back and let you and a handful of other gullible halfwits on this thread demand mass salughter of my fellow brothers and sisters around the world so you can get a new laptop and post Common Purpose style dogma.

[jesuitsdidit]

half a billion humans living as cave men is what i call sustainable and non-threatening to the planet..

[the nine]

You just don't get it do you lol he'd kill you first before the suicide so as to make the earth "pure"

Though I think the best way to let humanity to destroy itself is actually let rampant reproduction and max resource consumption until they really run out, then people will just kill each other over their deluded beliefs and few resources.

Restore the credit system and let our grandchildren worry about repaying the bills, lets burn all forests and triple the plastic bag production, lets live the dream man! I'll sing a few songs for the brainwashed women, who I think are fit for insemination, about how rich I am(after I've signed a contract to ensure the banks that all of my kids are responsible for whatever credit deficit I'll leave, the more kids I have the smaller the burden on each will be!) Talk about genius perpetual growth!

yeah, probably..isnt this how we got into this mess in the first place..aggression and murder!

[endlessvista]

Somehow, i don't think it's possible.

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to eat fish, Fish populations are low at the moment

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to eat apples, you'll need a planet covered in orchards

Will these billions and billions of peeps want fuel, If they use wood burners for heat all the tree's will be gone within such a short time !

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to drink fresh water, somehow I don't think there will be enough for all. Oh wait there is loads of water in the oceans, oh wait you need loads of energy to remove the SALT !

Thinks about what your saying guys !

We know what we are saying. You are just regurgutating Illuminati propaganda.

Again, why are still alive?

[sedate_solution]

Not at all. I just object to you and the other "genocide and eugenics for everyone else but me" brigade.

I am not going to sit back and let you and a handful of other gullible halfwits on this thread demand mass salughter of my fellow brothers and sisters around the world so you can get a new laptop and post Common Purpose style dogma.

I asked you earlier, where have I sugested the mass sloughter of fellow human beings ? ? ?

WHERE ? ? ?

I'm for a mass awakening and realisation that this planet can't support many more peeps because we're struggling to feed and look after each other as it is right now. But where have I suggested a mass sloughter !

[endlessvista]

half a billion humans living as cave men is what i call sustainable and non-threatening to the planet..

Fair enough. So what the fuck are you doing on a PC now and not shivering to death in a damp cave and dying of old age at 25?

Again, lead by example. Start eating moss off rocks and woodlice from rotting trees...oh nostalgic for the more sustainable humanity.

Go on, I hear that weevels are really tasty.

[romas]

yeah, probably..isnt this how we got into this mess in the first place..aggression and murder!



Yes and you can see the same in this thread, people wish each other to die under cloak of "love and brotherhood" or "pure earth" haven't we heard this before?

The age of reason has long come, but we're still facing old problems ffs!

[endlessvista]

I asked you earlier, where have I sugested the mass sloughter of fellow human beings ? ? ?

WHERE ? ? ?

I'm for a mass awakening and realisation that this planet can't support many more peeps because we're struggling to feed and look after each other as it is right now. But where have I suggested a mass sloughter !

So people will just vanish?

Is there a method of population reduction I have not heard of yet which does not involve either murder or eugenics?

Enlighten me as to how you intend this culling to happen? Are you the reincarnation of Indera Ghandi? She had the same idea as you, but she forced sterilsed moslems and not her fellow Hindus. Amazing thing is that the living standard in India today is much higher now then when she ran it in the 1970's when there were 400 million less Indians.

Care to explain that one? That India standard of living rose at a far greater proportion to it's massive population increase? Kinda tears the arse out of your arugument doesn't it?

[sedate_solution]

Fair enough. So what the fuck are you doing on a PC now and not shivering to death in a damp cave and dying of old age at 25?

Again, lead by example. Start eating moss off rocks and woodlice from rotting trees...oh nostalgic for the more sustainable humanity.

Go on, I hear that weevels are really tasty.

Oh come on WISEGUY !

Tell us how we can support a hundred billion peeps on this planet then ? ? ? ?

I've been waiting for you to stop slateing and give us the details ? ? ? ?

No you'd rather stiffle the debate with cheap talk !

[the nine]

Yes, but this means that soverign nations would have to be invaded and mass population upheaval would ensure.
It's like the grand schemes and flowery ideas put forth by an artist. It looks great on paper but not quite that simple in real life.

no you just have to lift up the veil..the puppeteers have been running/ruining the show for so long..the wizard of oz is a metaphor for western society!

why invasion rydeon?
the truth is it needs eveyone to say enough is eneough, and just stop..easy as that!

[jesuitsdidit]

how would you know? because the news 'tells' you...??? listen to yourself, ffs!
didnt we have mass extinctions of all the serpents/dinosaurs etc? is it more now or then?..please educate me..
whats does the news say about this?:rolleyes:

just bcoz its in t news duznt mean its not true.. shill

[jesuitsdidit]

Not at all. I just object to you and the other "genocide and eugenics for everyone else but me" brigade.

I am not going to sit back and let you and a handful of other gullible halfwits on this thread demand mass salughter of my fellow brothers and sisters around the world so you can get a new laptop and post Common Purpose style dogma.

whos demanding mass slaughter?

[endlessvista]

Oh come on WISEGUY !

Tell us how we can support a hundred billion peeps on this planet then ? ? ? ?

I've been waiting for you to stop slateing and give us the details ? ? ? ?

No you'd rather stiffle the debate with cheap talk !

We support them with non-Illuminati controlled farming and resource management. No problem. Just make the supply chain and administration work for us and not the Prince Phillip's.

I am still waiting on you telling me how you are going to slaughter the people of the earth?

[jesuitsdidit]

yeah, probably..isnt this how we got into this mess in the first place..aggression and murder!

no we got into this mess coz some ppl work 4 the illuminati
the nine illuminatis

[endlessvista]

whos demanding mass slaughter?

So how else do you we get the people population down to a billion?

Eat them?

[jesuitsdidit]

We know what we are saying. You are just regurgutating Illuminati propaganda.

Again, why are still alive?

is questioning mans behaviour regurgutating Illuminati propaganda?

[sedate_solution]

We support them with non-Illuminati controlled farming and resource management. No problem. Just make the supply chain and administration work for us and not the Prince Phillip's.

I am still waiting on you telling me how you are going to slaughter the people of the earth?

And this is the THIRD time I have asked you, where on this thread have I mentioned the mass sloughter of fellow human beings LOL ? ? ?

LOL @ non-illuminati controlled farming !

So what is non-illuminati controlled farming ? ? ?

[the nine]

Somehow, i don't think it's possible.

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to eat fish, Fish populations are low at the moment

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to eat apples, you'll need a planet covered in orchards

Will these billions and billions of peeps want fuel, If they use wood burners for heat all the tree's will be gone within such a short time !

Will these billions and billions of peeps want to drink fresh water, somehow I don't think there will be enough for all. Oh wait there is loads of water in the oceans, oh wait you need loads of energy to remove the SALT !

Thinks about what your saying guys !

you should read what I said first..I said "responsible people"
there is an infinite supply of energy, the knowledge has been has been suppressed..I think you underestimate the power of the human mind..maybe too much tv and media propaganda/ mind control..get out more and talk to people, its nice, you will see..

[endlessvista]

is questioning mans behaviour regurgutating Illuminati propaganda?

Well when it is you areeing with the Clintons then I am sorry to say the answer to that question is a resounding "FUCK YEAH!".

[the nine]

Not at all. I just object to you and the other "genocide and eugenics for everyone else but me" brigade.

I am not going to sit back and let you and a handful of other gullible halfwits on this thread demand mass salughter of my fellow brothers and sisters around the world so you can get a new laptop and post Common Purpose style dogma.

cool post..power to the people bro:D

[endlessvista]

And this is the THIRD time I have asked you, where on this thread have I mentioned the mass sloughter of fellow human beings LOL ? ? ?

LOL @ non-illuminati controlled farming !

So what is non-illuminati controlled farming ? ? ?

Oh come not, you really are not that thick.

You want a population reduction. That's mass salughter.

[jesuitsdidit]

So people will just vanish?

Is there a method of population reduction I have not heard of yet which does not involve either murder or eugenics?

yes limit the number of children per family

[the nine]

half a billion humans living as cave men is what i call sustainable and non-threatening to the planet..

get your self of to the mountains then with your flint tools, see how long you last..and how many women offer you the chance of insemination..;)

[sedate_solution]

you should read what I said first..I said "responsible people"
there is an infinite supply of energy, the knowledge has been has been suppressed..I think you underestimate the power of the human mind..maybe too much tv and media propaganda/ mind control..get out more and talk to people, its nice, you will see..

Yes there could be suppressed knowledge, but you guys are in a dream land right now.

right now 85% of our energy system is based around OIL, show me a better system RIGHT NOW that can replace it. YOU CAN'T !

[beldazar]

yes limit the number of children per family

WTF? :rolleyes:

[sedate_solution]

Oh come not, you really are not that thick.

You want a population reduction. That's mass salughter.

I now ask you, where have I mentioned in this thread that I WANT a population reduction ? ? ?

[jesuitsdidit]

Amazing thing is that the living standard in India today is much higher now then when she ran it in the 1970's when there were 400 million less Indians.

Care to explain that one?

yes, coz its not sustainable
its tearing the arse out of the planet..

[endlessvista]

you should read what I said first..I said "responsible people"
there is an infinite supply of energy,

and food. The oceans alone have incredible potential for farming marine plants for human consumption. Seaweed is just one example of a miracle food which could feed the entire planet just by natural harvesting, imagine the potential if it was intensively farmed. That's before we even get to many other kinds of marine plants and alge loaded with nutrition. There was a survey done here in Ireland by the Department of Marine and it calculated that just the west coast of Ireland coastal waters could produce enough seaweed per annum to the same tonnage as the Canadian Grain Harvest. Ireland is a small country, imagaine what the total world output of edible seaweed cold be. Staggering.

The processing and farming of seaweed is no less labour and machine intensive than farming arrible land and we already produce enough grain world wide to feed 50 billion humans every year. But "apparently we are running out of resources..."

The gobshites who say there is not enough food on the planet are really not thinking beyond some Illuminati agenda.

Anyone who is falling for this overpopulation propaganda are not paying attention. We have more than enough for everyone and always will.

[the nine]

I asked you earlier, where have I sugested the mass sloughter of fellow human beings ? ? ?

WHERE ? ? ?

I'm for a mass awakening and realisation that this planet can't support many more peeps because we're struggling to feed and look after each other as it is right now. But where have I suggested a mass sloughter !

so how do we reduce the planets population, what is you your ideal scenario then?
I personally dont think this, but I am willing to listen to your strategy..

[jesuitsdidit]

We support them with non-Illuminati controlled farming and resource management. No problem. Just make the supply chain and administration work for us and not the Prince Phillip's.

I am still waiting on you telling me how you are going to slaughter the people of the earth?

1 what and destroy all the other species and trees

2 he hasnt mentioned slaughter

[jesuitsdidit]

So how else do you we get the people population down to a billion?

Eat them?

natural wastage
birth control

[beldazar]

birth control

WTF again, bloody nora! :rolleyes:

[jesuitsdidit]

you should read what I said first..I said "responsible people"
there is an infinite supply of energy, the knowledge has been has been suppressed..I think you underestimate the power of the human mind..maybe too much tv and media propaganda/ mind control..get out more and talk to people, its nice, you will see..

free energy is not proven

[jesuitsdidit]

cool post..power to the people bro:D

oh i see u r here to support ev..

[sedate_solution]

so how do we reduce the planets population, what is you your ideal scenario then?
I personally dont think this, but I am willing to listen to your strategy..

It's funneh !

I thought we were discussing the effects of population on the environment and what the ideal human pop for earth would be !

Didn't realise you guys want to discuss the reduction of the human population !

I'm unable to come up with a strategy because i'm a single being and can only speak for myself !

[beldazar]

free energy is not proven

you mean its not broadcast , they dont make enough money from it

Jesuitsdidit, you have played right into their hands :(

[jesuitsdidit]

WTF? :rolleyes:

well wot wd u do??

[wakeupworld]

Yes population us increasing but I see this over-population belief as another scam parallel to the global warming scam.
It is not that the world is over-populated it isn`t. It is the denseness of the population that is the major problem.

Just take a look at the statistics for China and India from the following link;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

Almost 37 % of the TOTAL world population in these 2 countries.

Whilst I agree population has increased markedly over the years if you take a look at the amount of undensely populated areas the world can easily sustain 10 billion people.

In the UK recently I have driven to the west country where there is acre upon acre of unbuilt on land. Then you arrive in a town or a city and all the houses are built so close together.

Take a look using the software programme google earth and see just how dense the population is and how much actual unpopulated and liveable areas there are.

I believe the over-population theme is another incredible act of brainwashing by the corrupt elite.

[the nine]

just bcoz its in t news duznt mean its not true.. shill

but its what has been deemed viewable by the puppeteers..the real issues are kept hidden!
its all mind control, think about it, they have got ordinary people thinking that the population should be reduced, because of a lack of resources..whilst they hold on to massive amounts, and whilst people starve they have money in their bank accounts that they could never live long enough to count..who is really laughing?

[sedate_solution]

and food. The oceans alone have incredible potential for farming marine plants for human consumption. Seaweed is just one example of a miracle food which could feed the entire planet just by natural harvesting, imagine the potential if it was intensively farmed. That's before we even get to many other kinds of marine plants and alge loaded with nutrition.

The processing and farming of seaweed is no less labour and machine intensive than farming arrible land and we already produce enough grain world wide to feed 50 billion humans every year. But "apparently we are running out of resources..."

The gobshites who say there is not enough food on the planet are really not thinking beyond some Illuminati agenda.

Anyone who is falling for this overpopulation propaganda are not paying attention. We have more than enough for eveyrone and always will.

Does the EARTH organism agree with these happenings on her ? ? ?

[the nine]

whos demanding mass slaughter?

the gerogia guide stones..theres a clue!

[beldazar]

well wot wd u do??

what are you on about? Once we are free from this control things will be totally different.

[jesuitsdidit]

and food. The oceans alone have incredible potential for farming marine plants for human consumption. Seaweed is just one example of a miracle food which could feed the entire planet just by natural harvesting, imagine the potential if it was intensively farmed. That's before we even get to many other kinds of marine plants and alge loaded with nutrition.

The processing and farming of seaweed is no less labour and machine intensive than farming arrible land and we already produce enough grain world wide to feed 50 billion humans every year. But "apparently we are running out of resources..."

The gobshites who say there is not enough food on the planet are really not thinking beyond some Illuminati agenda.

Anyone who is falling for this overpopulation propaganda are not paying attention. We have more than enough for eveyrone and always will.

yes but you dont know the consequences of tinkering with nature
like what happens to the UK if the atlantic conveyor reverses do you??
you dont know the effect on the ecosystem of driving some species to extinction
maybe they r necessary..

[endlessvista]

yes, coz its not sustainable
its tearing the arse out of the planet..

It is sustainable. Indians are living longer, eating better and have lower infant mortality rates.

[jesuitsdidit]

WTF again, bloody nora! :rolleyes:

got something against contraception have we??

[jesuitsdidit]

you mean its not broadcast , they dont make enough money from it

Jesuitsdidit, you have played right into their hands :(

ok explain free energy to me..

[gripit]

No problem.

Let the Climate Change activists, the Population Optimum Trusts, Enviornmental journalists, the Royal Families of Europe, Bill and Monican Gates and their children, Ted Turner and family, the Clintons, the Gore's, all the Transhumanist College Professors, De Mayer Rothschild, and all the Acedemics in favour of population reduction administer cynaide pills to their families before killing themselves anyway they chose.

They best argument they can present is to lead by example and wipe themselves and their own kin off the face of the earth to save it.

It is only right and I am sure when they speak in sactimonious tones about a sustainable Eath and culling of man, they include themselves and their kin in with this.

Right? Hello?????

Well put :)

[the nine]

no we got into this mess coz some ppl work 4 the illuminati
the nine illuminatis

listen to episode 1 of william coopers babylon mystery schools, then watch stanley krubrics 2001:a space odyssey..
then you will understand what I mean about this murder and aggression being the reason we are in this mess..
ps
stanley krubric was a high up mason, who lifted the veil a little with the movie, 'eyes wide shut', but didnt live much longer after making such a film..

anyway, sorry for the digression, back to topic :)

[endlessvista]

yes but you dont know the consequences of tinkering with nature
like what happens to the UK if the atlantic conveyor reverses do you??
you dont know the effect on the ecosystem of driving some species to extinction
maybe they r necessary..

That's it I have just come to the conclusion that you are a gobshite talking other's people's bollox and like the rest of the population reductionists on this thread have nothing meaningful to say, offer, other than you want billions of humans wiped off this planet AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM.

You are also the biggest shower of hyocrites and so lost in your world of petty elitest double-standards it beggers belief.

I was willing to debate you until this point, but you are just full of shit and have no idea how much.

Go back to watching the Al Gore movie and get all emotional.

[beldazar]

got something against contraception have we??

no but your implying that others should be monitored on how many children they have, Do you have any idea what happens to the extra children born in China for example?
If we were allowed to live FREELY there wouldnt even BE a suggestion to one child per family. Youre beginning to sound like THEM! :mad:

[jesuitsdidit]

but its what has been deemed viewable by the puppeteers..the real issues are kept hidden!
its all mind control, think about it, they have got ordinary people thinking that the population should be reduced, because of a lack of resources..whilst they hold on to massive amounts, and whilst people starve they have money in their bank accounts that they could never live long enough to count..who is really laughing?

more than half the land on earth is non productive so stop saying theres endless amounts of unused land
you just make yourself look stupid

[the nine]

yes limit the number of children per family

I think you might like to live in china..maybe learning manderin will be a positive start for you?

[sedate_solution]

That's it I have just come to the conclusion that you are a gobshite talking other's people's bollox and like the rest of the population reductionists on this thread have nothing meaningful to say, offer, other than you want billions of humans wiped off this planet AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM.

You are also the biggest shower of hyocrites and so lost in your world of petty elitest double-standards it beggers belief.

I was willing to debate you until this point, but you are just full of shit and have no idea how much.

Go back to watching the Al Gore movie and get all emotional.

You assume too much !

[jesuitsdidit]

the gerogia guide stones..theres a clue!

it was a question on ev's post
i think he shd reply

[the nine]

Yes there could be suppressed knowledge, but you guys are in a dream land right now.

right now 85% of our energy system is based around OIL, show me a better system RIGHT NOW that can replace it. YOU CAN'T !

fuck off..its oil because of profit, nothing else..
are you asking me to produce the information which has cost people their lives?
look on youtube for starters.. there IS evidence and starting point for serious research on there..

look at how much energy is waisted, just through poorly insulated buildings and ridiculous wasteful management!

[jesuitsdidit]

It is sustainable. Indians are living longer, eating better and have lower infant mortality rates.

]It is sustainable.
no its not

Indians are living longer, eating better and have lower infant mortality rates.[
thats adding to the problem

[jesuitsdidit]

That's it I have just come to the conclusion that you are a gobshite talking other's people's bollox and like the rest of the population reductionists on this thread have nothing meaningful to say, offer, other than you want billions of humans wiped off this planet AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM.

You are also the biggest shower of hyocrites and so lost in your world of petty elitest double-standards it beggers belief.

I was willing to debate you until this point, but you are just full of shit and have no idea how much.

Go back to watching the Al Gore movie and get all emotional.

me questions 'is this man a shill'?

[the nine]

1 what and destroy all the other species and trees

2 he hasnt mentioned slaughter

i think you are confusing big business' aggressive profiting from natural resources with ordinary people..we dont need to cut the rate of the rain forests like we do..there are plenty of sustainable alternatives..but a demand is created by the puppeteers, it becomes a symbol of status when you have expensive timber furniture..etc.

[the nine]

natural wastage
birth control

and you have the temerity to call ME a shill!:rolleyes:

[the nine]

oh i see u r here to support ev..

not him personally..but he is pro life, i share his views on this

[the nine]

free energy is not proven

i think you will find it is..its all around you..we just are not allowed to show effective ways to harness it, this can be detrimental to your life:p

[the nine]

It's funneh !

I thought we were discussing the effects of population on the environment and what the ideal human pop for earth would be !

Didn't realise you guys want to discuss the reduction of the human population !

I'm unable to come up with a strategy because i'm a single being and can only speak for myself !

you need to reread your posts fella, you was talking about the population suiting the earth to be in the couple of millions..how would you achieve this?
please, comment..

[the nine]

you mean its not broadcast , they dont make enough money from it



yes.
jesuitsdidit, research the true story of nicola tessla, and j p morgan..you will understand the picture, clearly!

[the nine]

more than half the land on earth is non productive so stop saying theres endless amounts of unused land
you just make yourself look stupid

take a look at what the jewish people have done with hydroponic technology..growing in the dessert..
also please READ my posts if you are going to quote them..it makes for good debate.

[the nine]

me questions 'is this man a shill'?

the real irony is your debate versus your signature.

[adbasque]

Yes population us increasing but I see this over-population belief as another scam parallel to the global warming scam.
It is not that the world is over-populated it isn`t. It is the denseness of the population that is the major problem.

Just take a look at the statistics for China and India from the following link;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

Almost 37 % of the TOTAL world population in these 2 countries.

Whilst I agree population has increased markedly over the years if you take a look at the amount of undensely populated areas the world can easily sustain 10 billion people.

In the UK recently I have driven to the west country where there is acre upon acre of unbuilt on land. Then you arrive in a town or a city and all the houses are built so close together.

Take a look using the software programme google earth and see just how dense the population is and how much actual unpopulated and liveable areas there are.

I believe the over-population theme is another incredible act of brainwashing by the corrupt elite.

Yes, I fully agree with your comment here, the planet can handle 6 times or more the current number.
this is all B*** big scam just like the other scams.

I have travelled around the world twice and I did travel from Asia, to Africa the US, the only place I haven't been is Australia.

every place I went there are places where you can drive for hours I mean for hours, all you see is open spaces not a soul in sight

In africa, Asia, America and so on is the same thing, how can they turn around and say we are over populated???
As you said yes because you'll find almost in every country, half of it's population condensed in few big cities.

Big cities like NY, Montreal, Paris, London, Beijing, shang hai Tokyo and so on if you scatter the population the planet will look empty and deserted.

Ok, if these guys want the population control and reduction, they should start by removing themselves and their families and then we all do our bit, until then they can piss off.

Another thing, is what they are afraid of, is one of these days, they might have to give up some of the thousands of acres of land they own(stole) to others and have an average families living next to them.
That's what they are worried about.

Please people, how can you trust a snake? he lied and stole from you, even if he comes down from heaven with a book of promises, I won't trust him.

You know what these people are, what they are capable of, I shouldn't call them people, they are monsters.

No sympathy towards them, even if something seem reasonable if they say it and propose it, I will not embrace it, I need to find out where is the catch first?

And second thing, who gives them the right to lecture the rest of us? on what basis? who the hell they think they are?

Remember most of these people were self appointed as rulers, we never put them there to rule us.
Wake up don't fall for their ridiculous scams, even the village idiot could see through their lying teeth.

[sedate_solution]

you need to reread your posts fella, you was talking about the population suiting the earth to be in the couple of millions..how would you achieve this?
please, comment..

I mentioned what the population would be without intensive farming !

[sedate_solution]

Damn, there are so many peeps on here who are confrontational !

[beldazar]

Damn, there are so many peeps on here who are confrontational !


Due to frustration perhaps :rolleyes:

[the nine]

I mentioned what the population would be without intensive farming !

but intensive farming is a natural human endeavor.. the use of intelligence is compulsory, in an ideal world..we learn and grow, we provide and improve..we are currently in the stage of being held back..

[sedate_solution]

but intensive farming is a natural human endeavor.. the use of intelligence is compulsory, in an ideal world..we learn and grow, we provide and improve..we are currently in the stage of being held back..

Hmm, well i'm on the fence regarding that one !

something to consider though, provide 100 tons of food and a population will grow in size untill it can't grow no more, provide 1000 tons and the population will grow even further, provide a million and so on and so on !

What is the point of that i ask ? ? ? ?

[the nine]

Hmm, well i'm on the fence regarding that one !

something to consider though, provide 100 tons of food and a population will grow in size untill it can't grow no more, provide 1000 tons and the population will grow even further, provide a million and so on and so on !

What is the point of that i ask ? ? ? ?

er..society and all the possible fruits of a responsible society..everyone getting along respecting each other and the environment they live in..there would still be all kind of problems to overcome, but intelligence and love would see it through..
what is the point I ask, of the puppeteers manipulating the masses and causing great hardship and suffering in various parts of the world, and psychological and emotional pressure on their own working classes, whilst the opulent few, grow colder?

[sedate_solution]

er..society and all the possible fruits of a responsible society..everyone getting along respecting each other and the environment they live in..there would still be all kind of problems to overcome, but intelligence and love would see it through..
what is the point of manipulating the masses and causing great hardship and suffering whilst the opulent few, grow colder?

A society can be civilised with 100 or 1000 or 10000, don't see what your getting at !

[the nine]

A society can be civilised with 100 or 1000 or 10000, don't see what your getting at !

are you asking me to provide you with the meaning of life, sedate?

I would assume, in a functioning society, the more brains you have and the more love you have the more chance that society has of succeeding and expanding their way of life into the stars and into the future..

[sedate_solution]

are you asking me to provide you with the meaning of life, sedate?

Nope, life is life. Everyone will find a different meaning and purpose in life !

[the nine]

A society can be civilised with 100 or 1000 or 10000, don't see what your getting at !

or 100,000 or 1,000,000 or 1,000,000,000 or 1,000,000,000,000 ad infinitum..
it depends upon the planet/s, the people, its leaders and the technology, to name but a few things

[endlessvista]

or 100,000 or 1,000,000 or 1,000,000,000 or 1,000,000,000,000 ad infinitum..
it depends upon the planet, the people, its leaders and the technology, to name but a few things


Don't waste you time on these halfwits. Nothing to say, cannot debate and then claim they are being picked on with something called reality. They have made total fools of themselves on this thread and shown their "inner-genocidal elitest" control freak double-standard psychosis on just about every post.

They want you dead, they want me dead and they want billions dead to "save the plant", but not them.

Oh no, they are far too enlightened and precious. That's the entire thrust of their agenda. Which is what the whole population reductionist crowd all want.

The funny thing is, that sedate_solution and jesuitesdidit will be standing in line with the rest of us when then day of slaughter comes. But they'll be the ones shouting "but Ms Clinton I agreed with you!!!" as they fall into the lime pits with the rest of us worthless eaters.

What did Trotsky call these muppets? Oh yes "useful idiots".

[adbasque]

They want you dead, they want me dead and they want billions dead to "save the plant", but not them.

Oh no, they are far too enlightened and precious. That's the entire thrust of their agenda. Which is what the whole population reductionist crowd all want.

I don't think they are bad, they just heavily sedated, maybe too much fluoride?
if you follow some of their reasoning we don't breath, we don't eat, we don't drink, we don't walk, we don't run, we don't touch anything.

And even then they'll find something like you are using too much of the oxygen, we need to breath and control our breathing, reduce our breathing.

I am sorry for being alive, and above all, as if they are the owners of this planet and the rest of us are just visitors or guests.

I stopped replying to them, and anyway, now the NWO is well in place, they've got what they wished for.

We may all rest in peace, because from now on it's going to be down hill.

May god have mercy on our souls, and we can only blame ourselves for being lazy, scared, irresponsible, dumbed down population:

NWO order is now in action, in less than few months we will see drastic changes taking place, deeper and deeper into a real fascist state.

[endlessvista]

I don't think they are bad

I don't either. Just absolutely amazed how they have bought into this lie and the notion they seem to have that eugenics and genocide applies to others, but not them.

[delamo1999]

I did metion WITHOUT INTENSIVE FARMING, meaning no city's. I'm trying to get across the fact that Earths human population has boomed only recently !

http://www.beltramiswcd.org/Aquatic%20Biology/Human%20Population%20Growth.jpg


I wonder what the populations of Atlantis and Lemuria were. From literature that I have read (NOT REUTERS APPROVED), Atlantis was quite a populous civilization..

[pduffy4]

I stopped replying to them, and anyway, now the NWO is well in place, they've got what they wished for.

We may all rest in peace, because from now on it's going to be down hill.

The NWO have got this far because they hid their control behind the façade of Democracy. They don't have this luxury any more.

Of course they will camouflage the beginnings of their in-your-face dictatorship behind the smokescreen of a pandemic and or a Nuclear attack but that won’t last long.

When the Police and the NWO front men begin to loose their nice houses, the restaurants they like are closed, some of their family members are murdered by Police, for some spurious reason, the NWO will hit the shits and die.

Sleep tight!:)

[adbasque]

The NWO have got this far because they hid their control behind the façade of Democracy. They don't have this luxury any more.

Of course they will camouflage the beginnings of their in-your-face dictatorship behind the smokescreen of a pandemic and or a Nuclear attack but that won’t last long.

When the Police and the NWO front men begin to loose their nice houses, the restaurants they like are closed, some of their family members are murdered by Police, for some spurious reason, the NWO will hit the shits and die.

Sleep tight!:)

My real concern is despite the lies for generations, the ones who pretend to be aware, yet they still even give time to debate these issues.

when something comes from the government, or the establishment, just ignore it and you know it's A BIG FAT LIE!!
they never ever ever ever in million years will tell you something for your own good, if it's sounds too good to be true, it's because it is.

They are aware of the demography, they only need a certain amount of people they can control, and use as slaves.

But if the population start to threaten their existence, meaning their huge mansions, and acres and acres of land, then they start to worry and try and diminish, reduce what they call "useless beings" "Useless consumers" "Useless eaters"

They truly believe they own the planet and we are allowed to live in it only if they allow us, we have no rights.

They are using us against each other, that way we will be debating the obvious, and jump at each others throats while they carry on with their agenda behind us we are too busy fighting each other to see what's really going on.

I wish people can pull their fingers out and stand in one voice, united, for the common reason, which is our F*** survival.

I am sick of these childish arguments.

[romas]

the gerogia guide stones..theres a clue!



I've must have missed it, where does it actually say they have to be killed?

There are many ways and I have this hunch that these "ways" are being exercised all over the globe, it's just the question how deep the "illuminati" threat goes and what plans they've always had for us. Having a large population of slaves who hate each other seems like an ideal plan.

[adbasque]

there is no food shortage
when fresh eatable food is dumped everyday due to past expire dates.

Just see how supermarket operate, they keep a product until it expires and then they dump it, sometimes they reduce it in price, but to give it away?

Never, because it sets a bad example for business, in their arguments, people will never buy, they'll wait to be given to them.

But they've been doing it for years, and the same people still can't afford it, so they're depriving them.

They don't care, all they care is profit. lots of it.

Greed is the biggest sin of all, it's the driving engine of all our miseries in this world.

If you see what people spend their money on absolutely useless childish things, instead of giving £1 or 1$ or whatever to the needy, they avoid you if they can.

I don't personally believe in charities, I know they are a big scam too, they are part of the Elite, the money never ever reaches the needy.

Either in Europe or elsewhere.
We have and MUST re-educate ourselves again that's what we need, to get rid of some bad habits.

Become humans again, it takes more than flesh and blood to make a human being.

[romas]

Just see how supermarket operate, they keep a product until it expires and then they dump it, sometimes they reduce it in price, but to give it away?

Never, because it sets a bad example for business, in their arguments, people will never buy, they'll wait to be given to them.

But they've been doing it for years, and the same people still can't afford it, so they're depriving them.

They don't care, all they care is profit. lots of it.

Greed is the biggest sin of all, it's the driving engine of all our miseries in this world.

If you see what people spend their money on absolutely useless childish things, instead of giving £1 or 1$ or whatever to the needy, they avoid you if they can.

I don't personally believe in charities, I know they are a big scam too, they are part of the Elite, the money never ever reaches the needy.

Either in Europe or elsewhere.
We have and MUST re-educate ourselves again that's what we need, to get rid of some bad habits.

Become humans again, it takes more than flesh and blood to make a human being.



Monetarism.

[the nine]

I've must have missed it, where does it actually say they have to be killed?

There are many ways and I have this hunch that these "ways" are being exercised all over the globe, it's just the question how deep the "illuminati" threat goes and what plans they've always had for us. Having a large population of slaves who hate each other seems like an ideal plan.

it says maintain a population of around 500,000 for the earth..this must be just the basic slaves..
unless you think it is a vocal campaign..where we have teams of people following nubile females who are showing attention to young males.. and in the hope of discouraging them, can talk them out of there erronious ways before its too late!? :):rolleyes:

[romas]

More like rigid scientific or dogmatic religious indoctrination and if that does not help then I guess chemical attack on reproductive systems of human body. And those are probably more humane if you take into the account wars, ethnic hate/cleansing, introduction of new viruses and possible hidden technologies that have big impact on human psyche and/or reproductive systems.

[adbasque]

More like rigid scientific or dogmatic religious indoctrination and if that does not help then I guess chemical attack on reproductive systems of human body. And those are probably more humane if you take into the account wars, ethnic hate/cleansing, introduction of new viruses and possible hidden technologies that have big impact on human psyche and/or reproductive systems.

All of the things that you've mentioned have already been used.

[bowtiedaddy]

not convinced

and.. wots yr figure for max human popln
or is it just a 'gut-feeling' that its bs?

have you considered the possibility we may be living contrary to the laws of nature/sustainability??

or is that all bs too?

Who dictates the laws of nature? Same folks who dictate the laws or religion? They're all based on roughly the same thing, but they stand as mere interpretations, or even purposeful disinformation. Take your pick, as they're both just as relevant. Someone had to think of them, and interpret what they felt in their own world view, or maybe the worldview that they wished the reader to have.

:D Show me something that is not manipulated by the "elite" that would prove that there are too many humans... And remember, nothing that isn't being artificially done to bring in their solution.

There are certain areas that are overcrowded, and some countries suffer from it. Education and the revision of stupid religious practices would fix that. We used to have a ton of kids in the first world as well, but we don't really do that anymore. There is food shortage in the third world because they aren't allowed to industrialize. Why not open up Australia or Canada for more immigration. Canada is paranoid about letting people in even though most of it is completely undeveloped. Believe me, I dealt with their immigration.

People talk of lack of land for growing crops.
Solution: Build up. Multi level greenhouses. They do it with people for fucks sake, so why not with crops? Hydroponics, perhaps? You could have floating greenhouses growing food. This is even assuming that there IS actually a shortage of food, considering all of the waste going on, and food products being used for other non food purposes... such as... bio fuel. If we're running out of food, why are we choosing food based fuel as a solution?

And what a coincidence... we're magically over some imagined "limit of population" that just happens to coincide with a concocted financial crisis and major push for world government. Wonder of wonders.

[sedate_solution]

Acording to some of these guys i'm an ELITE,

LoL LoL LoL

[gilly]

Who dictates the laws of nature? Same folks who dictate the laws or religion? They're all based on roughly the same thing, but they stand as mere interpretations, or even purposeful disinformation. Take your pick, as they're both just as relevant. Someone had to think of them, and interpret what they felt in their own world view, or maybe the worldview that they wished the reader to have.

:D Show me something that is not manipulated by the "elite" that would prove that there are too many humans... And remember, nothing that isn't being artificially done to bring in their solution.

There are certain areas that are overcrowded, and some countries suffer from it. Education and the revision of stupid religious practices would fix that. We used to have a ton of kids in the first world as well, but we don't really do that anymore. There is food shortage in the third world because they aren't allowed to industrialize. Why not open up Australia or Canada for more immigration. Canada is paranoid about letting people in even though most of it is completely undeveloped. Believe me, I dealt with their immigration.

People talk of lack of land for growing crops.
Solution: Build up. Multi level greenhouses. They do it with people for fucks sake, so why not with crops? Hydroponics, perhaps? You could have floating greenhouses growing food. This is even assuming that there IS actually a shortage of food, considering all of the waste going on, and food products being used for other non food purposes... such as... bio fuel. If we're running out of food, why are we choosing food based fuel as a solution?

And what a coincidence... we're magically over some imagined "limit of population" that just happens to coincide with a concocted financial crisis and major push for world government. Wonder of wonders.

Good post - thanks Bowtie! :)

I'm surprised at all those here who seem to have fallen for this deception.

[sedate_solution]

We/humans assume way too much !

Does the EARTH organism agree with cities, intensive farming ?

[endlessvista]

who dictates the laws of nature? Same folks who dictate the laws or religion? They're all based on roughly the same thing, but they stand as mere interpretations, or even purposeful disinformation. Take your pick, as they're both just as relevant. Someone had to think of them, and interpret what they felt in their own world view, or maybe the worldview that they wished the reader to have.

:d show me something that is not manipulated by the "elite" that would prove that there are too many humans... And remember, nothing that isn't being artificially done to bring in their solution.

There are certain areas that are overcrowded, and some countries suffer from it. Education and the revision of stupid religious practices would fix that. We used to have a ton of kids in the first world as well, but we don't really do that anymore. There is food shortage in the third world because they aren't allowed to industrialize. Why not open up australia or canada for more immigration. Canada is paranoid about letting people in even though most of it is completely undeveloped. Believe me, i dealt with their immigration.

People talk of lack of land for growing crops.
Solution: Build up. Multi level greenhouses. They do it with people for fucks sake, so why not with crops? Hydroponics, perhaps? You could have floating greenhouses growing food. This is even assuming that there is actually a shortage of food, considering all of the waste going on, and food products being used for other non food purposes... Such as... Bio fuel. If we're running out of food, why are we choosing food based fuel as a solution?

and what a coincidence... We're magically over some imagined "limit of population" that just happens to coincide with a concocted financial crisis and major push for world government. Wonder of wonders.



post of the month.:)

[sedate_solution]

Who dictates the laws of nature? Same folks who dictate the laws or religion? They're all based on roughly the same thing, but they stand as mere interpretations, or even purposeful disinformation. Take your pick, as they're both just as relevant. Someone had to think of them, and interpret what they felt in their own world view, or maybe the worldview that they wished the reader to have.

:D Show me something that is not manipulated by the "elite" that would prove that there are too many humans... And remember, nothing that isn't being artificially done to bring in their solution.

There are certain areas that are overcrowded, and some countries suffer from it. Education and the revision of stupid religious practices would fix that. We used to have a ton of kids in the first world as well, but we don't really do that anymore. There is food shortage in the third world because they aren't allowed to industrialize. Why not open up Australia or Canada for more immigration. Canada is paranoid about letting people in even though most of it is completely undeveloped. Believe me, I dealt with their immigration.

People talk of lack of land for growing crops.
Solution: Build up. Multi level greenhouses. They do it with people for fucks sake, so why not with crops? Hydroponics, perhaps? You could have floating greenhouses growing food. This is even assuming that there IS actually a shortage of food, considering all of the waste going on, and food products being used for other non food purposes... such as... bio fuel. If we're running out of food, why are we choosing food based fuel as a solution?

And what a coincidence... we're magically over some imagined "limit of population" that just happens to coincide with a concocted financial crisis and major push for world government. Wonder of wonders.

Aye great post, let's continue to concrete all over mother earth and destroy her !

[gripit]

Canada is paranoid about letting people in even though most of it is completely undeveloped.

There are close to 6 million in the Greater Toronto area, more than 50% were not even born in this country! If you're Russian, Eastern European, Indian, Indonesian, Chinese or Central/South American, you can practically walk in without papers.

[deca]

people have always moved were they can support themselves and their families its natural.

[mephibosheth]

From article: (http://www.prisonplanet.com/clinton-advisor-earths-population-has-exceeded-limits.html)

One of most influential scientists in the US government has said that the Earth’s population has exceeded the planet’s “limits of sustainability”.

Dr Nina Fedoroff, the science and technology advisor to the US secretary of state, currently Hillary Clinton, told the BBC’s “One Planet” program that “There are probably already too many people on the planet.”

“We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can’t support many more people,” Fedoroff said.

what a bunch of shite. Watch out now, the earth's about to burst!!!

Check out some stats from this site:

World Clock (http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf)

Hmm. I wonder who was the 6, 666, 666, 666th person born in the world???

The professor [Fedoroff] of molecular biology also advocated the widespread introduction of genetically modified foods, slamming those who have criticized the unknown effects of GM as living in the past.

“We wouldn’t think of going to our doctor and saying ‘Treat me the way doctors treated people in the 19th Century’, and yet that’s what we’re demanding in food production.”


That's total nonsense. People have been successfully eating natural foods since the beginning with no ill affects. Now, with highly processed, modified compounds, we are seeing the development of 'conditions' hitherto unknown--precisely BECAUSE of the types of food we are consuming and how they are processed. GE foods are dangerous. They are invasive crops. They are tools of the corporate world. They try to put a barcode on life.

We don't need GE crops to eat well. There is absolutely no evidence to this effect. There is a growing organic movement afoot that specifically REJECTS GE crops and chemical methods.

Check out this letter to Obama from Michael Pollan, regarding the critical need of American society to return to a more natural and suistainable method of farming and food production.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html?_r=1


The impact of the American food system on the rest of the world will have implications for your foreign and trade policies as well. In the past several months more than 30 nations have experienced food riots, and so far one government has fallen. Should high grain prices persist and shortages develop, you can expect to see the pendulum shift decisively away from free trade, at least in food. Nations that opened their markets to the global flood of cheap grain (under pressure from previous administrations as well as the World Bank and the I.M.F.) lost so many farmers that they now find their ability to feed their own populations hinges on decisions made in Washington (like your predecessor’s precipitous embrace of biofuels) and on Wall Street. They will now rush to rebuild their own agricultural sectors and then seek to protect them by erecting trade barriers. Expect to hear the phrases “food sovereignty” and “food security” on the lips of every foreign leader you meet. Not only the Doha round, but the whole cause of free trade in agriculture is probably dead, the casualty of a cheap food policy that a scant two years ago seemed like a boon for everyone. It is one of the larger paradoxes of our time that the very same food policies that have contributed to overnutrition in the first world are now contributing to undernutrition in the third. But it turns out that too much food can be nearly as big a problem as too little — a lesson we should keep in mind as we set about designing a new approach to food policy.

...

The American people are paying more attention to food today than they have in decades, worrying not only about its price but about its safety, its provenance and its healthfulness. There is a gathering sense among the public that the industrial-food system is broken. Markets for alternative kinds of food — organic, local, pasture-based, humane — are thriving as never before.




Reject GE crops and grow organic. Grow locally. Eat locally. The Earth is a robust vehicle, whatever alarmists are shouting. Grow more plants that are bee-friendly. And don't support cash crops that basically rape the land. Reject chemical fertilizers.

It is the right of every free-human being in existence to grow their own food. And to grow foods that haven't been tampered with by the hands of idle science.

8)

[pinkgrapefruit]

Article (http://www.prisonplanet.com/clinton-advisor-earths-population-has-exceeded-limits.html)

The professor [Fedoroff] of molecular biology also advocated the widespread introduction of genetically modified foods, slamming those who have criticized the unknown effects of GM as living in the past.

“We wouldn’t think of going to our doctor and saying ‘Treat me the way doctors treated people in the 19th Century’, and yet that’s what we’re demanding in food production.”

I like that bit too...

We wouldn’t think of going to our doctor and saying 'Use unproven, experimental treatments on me', either.

[adbasque]

Reject GE crops and grow organic. Grow locally. Eat locally. The Earth is a robust vehicle, whatever alarmists are shouting. Grow more plants that are bee-friendly. And don't support cash crops that basically rape the land. Reject chemical fertilizers.

It is the right of every free-human being in existence to grow their own food. And to grow foods that haven't been tampered with by the hands of idle science.

8)

Do you think Monsanto has left anything natural in order to grow organic food?
about 80% of the world's seeds have already been genetically modified or contaminated with GM.

You'll be lucky if you stumble up on natural seeds from now on.
Another thing, we have been eating lots of GM in recent years, do you guys know what is the real natural colour of "Sweet Corn" for example?
most potatoes in the world have been genetically modified, the Deutch just start having a go at tomatoes, and so on...

Chicken in holland were found to be injected with pigs fat, and they were filmed secretly, and 80% of the chicken we import to the UK comes from Holland, lovely hein?

And I tell you the USA were exporting GM food for the last 30+ years to the rest of the world, especially poorer countries.

like African countries, and exporting deadly vaccins, back in the 60s and 70s they were injecting villages in Africa, and it took about 15 years for the virus to incubate and start manfesting itself.

Then it exploded in the 80s, as a world pandemic, but Aids was killing people on epidemic scales before it came to the world stage known as a pandemic.

We have been fed GM for a longtime I am afraid, and we can probably save the coming generations from it, as for us I think it's a little too late.

[the nine]

We/humans assume way too much !

Does the EARTH organism agree with cities, intensive farming ?

can I just ask..has something terrible happened to you on an intensive farm?

[the nine]

Aye great post, let's continue to concrete all over mother earth and destroy her !

its either farming or concreting..will you please make up your mind?

also, why type of building do you live in and which/what food do you eat?

[sedate_solution]

its either farming or concreting..will you please make up your mind?

also, why type of building do you live in and which/what food do you eat?

Do you suffer from TWATISM or something ? ? ?

You and I both know we were born into this crag hole, what type of mature come back is that !

I live in a box like most folk on this forum !

[sedate_solution]

can I just ask..has something terrible happened to you on an intensive farm?

Again, another example of TWATISM !

[the nine]

Do you suffer from TWATISM or something ? ? ?

You and I both know we were born into this crag hole, what type of mature come back is that !

I live in a box like most folk on this forum !

come back? wtf?

do you really live in a box? or a tin shack like so many people in 3rd world countries..?
I dont live in a box, I live in a house, modern and quite thermally efficient, with a respectable U-value.

[the nine]

Again, another example of TWATISM !

do you not wish to speak about it?

[sedate_solution]

come back? wtf?

do you really live in a box? or a tin shack like so many people in 3rd world countries..?
I dont live in a box, I live in a house, modern and quite thermally efficient, with a respectable U-value.

Yeah i do, it has 6 walls !

Are you afraid of losing the apparel that comes with modern life ?

[the nine]

Yeah i do, it has 6 walls !

Are you afraid of losing the apparel that comes with modern life ?

i am afraid of nothing..
you side skip the questions, with poorly timed aggression.. why even bother posting...
you say the earth is TOO full, what would you like to see done to resolve this?

[sedate_solution]

i am afraid of nothing..
you side skip the questions, with poorly timed aggression.. why even bother posting...
you say the earth is TOO full, what would you like to see done to resolve this?

LoL

I asked endlessvista to point me to where I said that earth is too full THREE times and he never came back to me, now I ask the same of you !

[the nine]

LoL

I asked endlessvista to point me to where I said that earth is too full THREE times and he never came back to me, now I ask the same of you !

er..maybe you should read the thread title..:D

[sedate_solution]

i am afraid of nothing..
you side skip the questions, with poorly timed aggression.. why even bother posting...
you say the earth is TOO full, what would you like to see done to resolve this?


Where in this thread did I say this ?

[the nine]

Where in this thread did I say this ?

you expressly implied it in you initial postings..you would like to see it around 2 million or so, something to do with your intensive farming fetish.. what is your point?

[sedate_solution]

you expressly implied it in you initial postings..you would like to see it around 2 million or so, something to do with your intensive farming fetish.. what is your point?

LoL, this is going no where fast is it. I implied nothing, I simply mentioned what the pop would be without farming.

Go read for yourself if you don't beleive me !

[breezinreezin]

Article (http://www.prisonplanet.com/clinton-advisor-earths-population-has-exceeded-limits.html)



I like that bit too...

We wouldn’t think of going to our doctor and saying 'Use unproven, experimental treatments on me', either.

No. And his analogy doesn't stand up either. WTF has progress in medical treatment, got to do with fixing/mutating something that isn't broken.

[duckandcover]

Nature will always win , if there are too many humans on the planet and its having a negative effect then nature will rebalance the scales. We dont need any help from the elites but thanks for thinking of us :rolleyes::D

[sedate_solution]

Nature will always win , if there are too many humans on the planet and its having a negative effect then nature will rebalance the scales. We dont need any help from the elites but thanks for thinking of us :rolleyes::D

Agree 101%

[mephibosheth]

Its a sad state of affairs, that's for sure. Monsanto is the devil's own manufacturer.

Do you think Monsanto has left anything natural in order to grow organic food?
about 80% of the world's seeds have already been genetically modified or contaminated with GM.

You'll be lucky if you stumble up on natural seeds from now on.
Another thing, we have been eating lots of GM in recent years, do you guys know what is the real natural colour of "Sweet Corn" for example?
most potatoes in the world have been genetically modified, the Deutch just start having a go at tomatoes, and so on...

Chicken in holland were found to be injected with pigs fat, and they were filmed secretly, and 80% of the chicken we import to the UK comes from Holland, lovely hein?

And I tell you the USA were exporting GM food for the last 30+ years to the rest of the world, especially poorer countries.

like African countries, and exporting deadly vaccins, back in the 60s and 70s they were injecting villages in Africa, and it took about 15 years for the virus to incubate and start manfesting itself.

Then it exploded in the 80s, as a world pandemic, but Aids was killing people on epidemic scales before it came to the world stage known as a pandemic.

We have been fed GM for a longtime I am afraid, and we can probably save the coming generations from it, as for us I think it's a little too late.

[sedate_solution]

Its a sad state of affairs, that's for sure. Monsanto is the devil's own manufacturer.


Aye, they're trying to make seeds where the plants don't produce there own seeds !

[simplify]

Yes population us increasing but I see this over-population belief as another scam parallel to the global warming scam.
It is not that the world is over-populated it isn`t. It is the denseness of the population that is the major problem.

Just take a look at the statistics for China and India from the following link;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

Almost 37 % of the TOTAL world population in these 2 countries.

Whilst I agree population has increased markedly over the years if you take a look at the amount of undensely populated areas the world can easily sustain 10 billion people.

In the UK recently I have driven to the west country where there is acre upon acre of unbuilt on land. Then you arrive in a town or a city and all the houses are built so close together.

Take a look using the software programme google earth and see just how dense the population is and how much actual unpopulated and liveable areas there are.

I believe the over-population theme is another incredible act of brainwashing by the corrupt elite.

Finally....a voice in the wilderness....thanks for posting this....seems no one else here is aware of the density problem. All of our cities are now overpopulated, whilst the rural areas, much of it farmland sits empty. Climate change, natural disasters have played a big role in this, pushing the people into the cities. 3rd world countries, same thing. So when we look at such high concentrations in these cities, this presents a different picture as to what the real population #'s are. I posted on the first page of this thread, but no response to it. I will say it again, we do not have overpopulation of this planet. We just need to figure out how to correct the imbalance in the cities.

[mightiswrong]

Kin's domains are the answer you are looking for. Kin's domains are 1 hectare sized family food gardens. They are the solution to most of the problems we face. It is possible to actually support a much larger population on earth with kin's domains and permaculture. Overpopulation is a fiction designed by sick eugenicists who do not deserve to be handed any of our power. Kin's domains will stretch far across the world very very soon.

Please support the petition in my signature (even without signing it).

[adbasque]

Finally....a voice in the wilderness....thanks for posting this....seems no one else here is aware of the density problem. All of our cities are now overpopulated, whilst the rural areas, much of it farmland sits empty. Climate change, natural disasters have played a big role in this, pushing the people into the cities. 3rd world countries, same thing. So when we look at such high concentrations in these cities, this presents a different picture as to what the real population #'s are. I posted on the first page of this thread, but no response to it. I will say it again, we do not have overpopulation of this planet. We just need to figure out how to correct the imbalance in the cities.

The overpopulation of the cities, didn't just happen, it was carefully engineered and very meticulously crafted.

They pushed people into the cities, people started abandonning their lands, farmers deserted their farms, in a hunt of a piece of green paper.

They did the same thing on every single country, and then they stepped in with their genetic programmes, buying abandonned lands for peanuts and engaging in expanding the Biggest conspiracy ever engineered.

Genetically modified crops, Groups like monsanto buys land and natural seeds keeps them while he was selling and using the Genetically modified crops to the sheeple (us)

[simplify]

Kin's domains are the answer you are looking for. Kin's domains are 1 hectare sized family food gardens. They are the solution to most of the problems we face. It is possible to actually support a much larger population on earth with kin's domains and permaculture. Overpopulation is a fiction designed by sick eugenicists who do not deserve to be handed any of our power. Kin's domains will stretch far across the world very very soon.

Please support the petition in my signature (even without signing it).

Funny that you should post this....I have been thinking about this as I have been reading this thread, & almost posted about it in my post above. Glad you shared this info....I agree with you.....imo this will fix the problem, but I'm at a loss as to envisioning this in our near future. If we want the the 2acres, we will have to come up with the money to buy it....government in the West wont just hand it to us.

[mightiswrong]

In the UK in some of the more expensive counties land costs around £35,000 for the 2.5 acres/ 1 hectare. The money, supermarket food (actually a negative value) and city apartments are worthless (actually a negative value) anyway so get what you can from friends and family and establish the kin's domains Now. It will happen even sooner with your efforts and we will be looking to reemburse purchases of kin's domains when the government acts which they will.

[mightiswrong]

They will act because we will be promoting a policy of voting only for candidates who live and eat from their domains ruling out bad candidates.

[simplify]

The overpopulation of the cities, didn't just happen, it was carefully engineered and very meticulously crafted.

They pushed people into the cities, people started abandonning their lands, farmers deserted their farms, in a hunt of a piece of green paper.

They did the same thing on every single country, and then they stepped in with their genetic programmes, buying abandonned lands for peanuts and engaging in expanding the Biggest conspiracy ever engineered.

Genetically modified crops, Groups like monsanto buys land and natural seeds keeps them while he was selling and using the Genetically modified crops to the sheeple (us)

Yes....it was a carefully crafted plan, in order to get control of the food sources. Once they made people sick with the GMO foods, then they could go to a doc. for a cure and be fed a poisonous pill. They work hand in hand food & drugs. When all the people are herded into the cities, its so much easier to carry out the next step. We don't need to worry about pop. control, thpb are taking care of that for us.

[adbasque]

Yes....it was a carefully crafted plan, in order to get control of the food sources. Once they made people sick with the GMO foods, then they could go to a doc. for a cure and be fed a poisonous pill. They work hand in hand food & drugs. When all the people are herded into the cities, its so much easier to carry out the next step. We don't need to worry about pop. control, thpb are taking care of that for us.

Just around me, I have known at least 10 people who died under the age of 40, from cancer "mainly", some of them never drunk, never smoked
the number of people dying from usually cancer is absolutely staggering
and frightening.

Yes people are poisned with the chemicals in the food, and then poisned even further with the so called drugs that are supposed to heal you.

They are exterminating us by the dozens every week
Another scam was when they started encouraging people to go oragnic, lol
the Organic idea was just another scam so you end up paying three times the price for the same crap.

Even farmers don't know it, they think they are growing organic food while in fact it's nothing but a cocktail of chemicals.

Not to mention, all the viruses that are circulating.

Foot and mouth
BSE short for (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) also known as MCD (Mad Cow Disease)
This is in no way a natural disease, it came from the feed, and all the vaccins they were injecting into the cattle, which they knew it will be transmitted to humans, once they were found out, they push one forward to take the blame, a poor farmer or even, a farmer who knew but they sacrifice him instead.

it was deliberately released into the food chain.
to kill as many as possible and as usual no cure for it lol
with all this technology we have today, not one disease has a cure.

do you guys believe this?
I certainly don't, nowdays they can even grow organs from a single cell, yet people are still falling like flies.

Have you noticed another staggering number in recent years of miscarriages?
do you think all of this is happening by chance?

You know we can go on and on for days, stating what they are doing to us, and not to mention things we still don't know.

[mightiswrong]

Actually fresh loving food should cure disease and is freely avaiable in ones kin's domain.

[gripit]

Even farmers don't know it, they think they are growing organic food while in fact it's nothing but a cocktail of chemicals.

Agreed. (http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/20747,opinion,the-great-organic-con-trick)

[romas]

No one mentioned other species, how do you imagine bio-diversity with increasing land development and toxic waste.

See your bs excuses about super tech won't work, nothing will be built or recycled unless it brings profit, in the monetarism system there can only be perpetual production, not harmony and efficiency.

There are certain species that are vital to human survival and they link up with other species etc. This might really hurt whole earth if serious crysis begins war and devastation might take care of whats left.

[cleopatraxxx]

No there isn't - this is just the new hippy path to the Eugenics and Genocide of the people the same elites have always salivated for.

A few years ago Prince Phillip wanted to kill humanity with an airborne virus, now they are 'concerned' about "climate change".

New excuse, same old illuminati shit.

i agree with your thinking

[cleopatraxxx]

snip....
I will say it again, we do not have overpopulation of this planet. We just need to figure out how to correct the imbalance in the cities.

we might want that because we are not the elite wanting to manipulate things.

they will never create any balance. they need to divide us and conquer more for themselves. that is our problem, the one they created amd keep feeding to and for us: they split us through religion, through fear....:mad:

they want us to fight each other. when things will be unbearable, they will put up the martial law and police the cities. military will come to police us too.

then some idiot will come with the false PEACE in ONE WORLD ORDERED environment. does it sound very biblical? reptiles are illuminati? the beast?

...???

[cleopatraxxx]

and food. The oceans alone have incredible potential for farming marine plants for human consumption. Seaweed is just one example of a miracle food which could feed the entire planet just by natural harvesting, imagine the potential if it was intensively farmed. That's before we even get to many other kinds of marine plants and alge loaded with nutrition. There was a survey done here in Ireland by the Department of Marine and it calculated that just the west coast of Ireland coastal waters could produce enough seaweed per annum to the same tonnage as the Canadian Grain Harvest. Ireland is a small country, imagaine what the total world output of edible seaweed cold be. Staggering.

The processing and farming of seaweed is no less labour and machine intensive than farming arrible land and we already produce enough grain world wide to feed 50 billion humans every year. But "apparently we are running out of resources..."

The gobshites who say there is not enough food on the planet are really not thinking beyond some Illuminati agenda.

Anyone who is falling for this overpopulation propaganda are not paying attention. We have more than enough for everyone and always will.

i agree with you again, and have to add that those falling for the overpopulaton agenda are no one but selfish racist people. there is no other excuse to agree with the fact that there is an overpopulation on this planet. an excuse to see other races gone... :(

[sedate_solution]

i agree with you again, and have to add that those falling for the overpopulaton agenda are no one but selfish racist people. there is no other excuse to agree with the fact that there is an overpopulation on this planet. an excuse to see other races gone... :(

LOL

Where did race come into this, if you're for the chop you're for the chop !

[cleopatraxxx]

a coleague of mine who lived in Southern Africa was frightened after an evening he had with two UN high representatives. this colleague of mine was actually a photojournalist, but mainly a cameraman. he was many times sent on UN missions to make reports on live occurences all over Africa, specially war zones.
that evening during this supper, both UN gentleman warned him of the macabre plan of the UN for Souther African Region: "you are white, get out of there while there is time, the plan is to make the country totally dependable on tourism and more into debt than ever" "DEPOPULATION IS THE ULTIMAtE GOAL", "pack your things, go back to europe with your kids, the shit is soon going to hit the fan".
he was also an openminded person and was a lot into investigating the pharmaceutical poisoning of the masses via flu medications that never work, etc and was warning everyone on the dangers of aspartame-phenilalanine it's medical denomination.
you know what? when he saw the change in racism against the white increase in Southern Africa, and more, he packed his bags and left. and the shit is now hitting the fan as warned by the two UN gentleman...
this is a true story folks...

snip...
will the EILITE send a terrible depopulating virus onto the continent? not to mention that AIDS continues wiping out the race partially for many decades already. Although that said, MALARIA kills more than AIDS. and i wonder WHY IS IT THAT THE CLINTON FAMILY around 2005 SENT LOADS OF MONEY INTO MALARIA PRoJECTS IN MOAZMBIQUE, for example?!?! new laboratories for testing new vaccines is their EXCUSE! ultimate goal is definetely not that one.

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[sedate_solution]

a coleague of mine who lived in Southern Africa was frightened after an evening he had with two UN high representatives. this colleague of mine was actually a photojournalist, but mainly a cameraman. he was many times sent on UN missions to make reports on live occurences all over Africa, specially war zones.
that evening during this supper, both UN gentleman warned him of the macabre plan of the UN for Souther African Region: "you are white, get out of there while there is time, the plan is to make the country totally dependable on tourism and more into debt than ever" "DEPOPULATION IS THE ULTIMAtE GOAL", "pack your things, go back to europe with your kids, the shit is soon going to hit the fan".
he was also an openminded person and was a lot into investigating the pharmaceutical poisoning of the masses via flu medications that never work, etc and was warning everyone on the dangers of aspartame-phenilalanine it's medical denomination.
you know what? when he saw the change in racism against the white increase in Southern Africa, and more, he packed his bags and left. and the shit is now hitting the fan as warned by the two UN gentleman...
this is a true story folks...

snip...
will the EILITE send a terrible depopulating virus onto the continent? not to mention that AIDS continues wiping out the race partially for many decades already. Although that said, MALARIA kills more than AIDS. and i wonder WHY IS IT THAT THE CLINTON FAMILY around 2005 SENT LOADS OF MONEY INTO MALARIA PRoJECTS IN MOAZMBIQUE, for example?!?! new laboratories for testing new vaccines is their EXCUSE! ultimate goal is defeintely not that one.

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I feel your concern, please don't derail this thread though by bringing other things such as racism, sexism & anyism !

Anyone with a heart can feel what you're mentioning, these things I have felt since I was kid.

Don't bring division to this convo, WE ARE ALL IN THE SHITS !

[adbasque]

a coleague of mine who lived in Southern Africa was frightened after an evening he had with two UN high representatives. this colleague of mine was actually a photojournalist, but mainly a cameraman. he was many times sent on UN missions to make reports on live occurences all over Africa, specially war zones.
that evening during this supper, both UN gentleman warned him of the macabre plan of the UN for Souther African Region: "you are white, get out of there while there is time, the plan is to make the country totally dependable on tourism and more into debt than ever" "DEPOPULATION IS THE ULTIMAtE GOAL", "pack your things, go back to europe with your kids, the shit is soon going to hit the fan".
he was also an openminded person and was a lot into investigating the pharmaceutical poisoning of the masses via flu medications that never work, etc and was warning everyone on the dangers of aspartame-phenilalanine it's medical denomination.
you know what? when he saw the change in racism against the white increase in Southern Africa, and more, he packed his bags and left. and the shit is now hitting the fan as warned by the two UN gentleman...
this is a true story folks...

snip...
will the EILITE send a terrible depopulating virus onto the continent? not to mention that AIDS continues wiping out the race partially for many decades already. Although that said, MALARIA kills more than AIDS. and i wonder WHY IS IT THAT THE CLINTON FAMILY around 2005 SENT LOADS OF MONEY INTO MALARIA PRoJECTS IN MOAZMBIQUE, for example?!?! new laboratories for testing new vaccines is their EXCUSE! ultimate goal is definetely not that one.

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yes they want to get the white people out of there, they created the tension between them as they did in most African countries, like Zimbabwe and so on.

The white will flee their homes back to Europe, and then the Genocide will start.
Because they believe the Black Africans are a useless race., useless consumers.

They have been battered with viruses since the 50s, Malawi has the highest rate of death in Africa, and the highest rate of Orphans in the world.

Most of the parents die from these diseases, Malaria, Aids, bird Flu, like in Asia.

And not to forget Bill Gates with his money supporting those project under an umbrella of a good guy ;)

Well unfortunately people are asleep, and it's just going to continue before we know, there will be less than 3 billion in the world.

Watch out for more wars another way of mass killing.
When you can kill hundreds or even thousands every day for 3 to 6 years, what's the best way to do it than this?

Once they've cleaned those continents, then it will be our turn :)

[cleopatraxxx]

I feel your concern, please don't derail this thread though by bringing other things such as racism, sexism & anyism !

Anyone with a heart can feel what you're mentioning, these things I have felt since I was kid.

Don't bring division to this convo, WE ARE ALL IN THE SHITS !

i am not saying racism is the problem.
i am just saying that this racism is being forced onto us: divide and conquer. since ever. exactly so that poeple don't go for it. love your neighbour is my policy.
i am stating facts nothing else.

[cleopatraxxx]

yes they want to get the white people out of there, they created the tension between them as they did in most African countries, like Zimbabwe and so on.

The white will flee their homes back to Europe, and then the Genocide will start.
Because they believe the Black Africans are a useless race., useless consumers.

They have been battered with viruses since the 50s, Malawi has the highest rate of death in Africa, and the highest rate of Orphans in the world.

Most of the parents die from these diseases, Malaria, Aids, bird Flu, like in Asia.

And not to forget Bill Gates with his money supporting those project under an umbrella of a good guy ;)

Well unfortunately people are asleep, and it's just going to continue before we know, there will be less than 3 billion in the world.

Watch out for more wars another way of mass killing.
When you can kill hundreds or even thousands every day for 3 to 6 years, what's the best way to do it than this?

Once they've cleaned those continents, then it will be our turn :)

thank you for understanding what i am on about

[sedate_solution]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DD_rJnXvn0

[adbasque]

thank you for understanding what i am on about

You're most welcome :)

[the nine]

LOL

Where did race come into this, if you're for the chop you're for the chop !

you should research more..the masonic lodge is both racist and sexist at its highest levels..take albert pike as a place to start your research, then by reading between the lines, you will see what he stood for and what he brought to history!

[the nine]

yes they want to get the white people out of there, they created the tension between them as they did in most African countries, like Zimbabwe and so on.

The white will flee their homes back to Europe, and then the Genocide will start.
Because they believe the Black Africans are a useless race., useless consumers.

They have been battered with viruses since the 50s, Malawi has the highest rate of death in Africa, and the highest rate of Orphans in the world.

Most of the parents die from these diseases, Malaria, Aids, bird Flu, like in Asia.

And not to forget Bill Gates with his money supporting those project under an umbrella of a good guy ;)

Well unfortunately people are asleep, and it's just going to continue before we know, there will be less than 3 billion in the world.

Watch out for more wars another way of mass killing.
When you can kill hundreds or even thousands every day for 3 to 6 years, what's the best way to do it than this?

Once they've cleaned those continents, then it will be our turn :)

very chilling and very likely :(

[adbasque]

very chilling and very likely :(

And very real too
These people are very sick in the head, they actually enjoy hurting, humiliating, inflicting pain, they really get a buzz out of it, like a sexual orgasm to them.

Never think of them as yourself would think about life and humanity
they actually enjoy bloodshed, not to mention all the secret sick rituals they do on a regular basis.

You are not dealing with normal human beings, if the world is peaceful, for them it's like they are dead, they feed from inflicting misery on others and watch them suffer.

They are the devil's whores. I am almost certain they kill children as their human sacrifices for their satanic rituals.

One of them is the Bastard (Prince) Philip, in their Masonic Lodges, Bohemian Grove, Skull & Bones, and many other secret groups.

Killing is part of their obligations to satisfy their Master Satan.
It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, what matters is that they believe it.

So killing an entire nation they'll do it if they can get away with it.
they are selective of course, they first wipe out as many of the "third world" population

Mind you they invented this term "third world" jus to show how racist and arrogant they are.

Not second world, third world there's no second between them and others.
How much hatred they carry in their blood.

So for them killing us it's only a matter of time :)

[gripit]

very chilling and very likely :(

fuuuuuuuuuuuck me.............you're probably right. How sick is that??!! :mad:

[adbasque]

fuuuuuuuuuuuck me.............you're probably right. How sick is that??!! :mad:

Not probably :D
It's a certainty I am afraid, and yes it is very sick, and very evil

[jesuitsdidit]

Does the EARTH organism agree with these happenings on her ? ? ?

some even think non-intensive farming is unsustainable coz it affects the eco-system too much
ie only really sustainable option is hunter-gatherer/stone age lifestyle..

[endlessvista]

some even think non-intensive farming is unsustainable coz it affects the eco-system too much
ie only really sustainable option is hunter-gatherer/stone age lifestyle..

You crack me up, you really do!:D


Would you be bringing your laptop along with you on your berries and grubs foraging trips.

[romas]

some even think non-intensive farming is unsustainable coz it affects the eco-system too much
ie only really sustainable option is hunter-gatherer/stone age lifestyle..



lol well according to national geographic a lot of species were wiped out by hunters-gatherers e.g. mammoths etc. People just died less often then animals.

If you are planing to live in the wild eco-system you'd have to be part of it and animals eat each other in the wild. What we need is eco-friendly technical solutions that are not profit(greed) based. That's the only way.

[ronisron]

There are too many posts in this thread to read them all, and not sure if they've been mentioned, but the Georgia Guidestones is a good thing to look into; all the elite love it for it's message.... because it was created by the elite, for the elite.

There aren't more people than the earth can sustain. If the current numbers are true, the earths population could exist in the Sothwestern US states, with room to spare. The PTB's cause wars, make sanctions on starving nations which prevents them from receiving adequate care, and these engineered wars force these people into desert areas where food can't be grown.... there is more than enough food, land space, and water for everyone without those who horde all the good things for themselves. Stop pollution through industry, military and automobile waste, and we'll be fine. Lift sanctions, stop military spending, and everyone eats. Besides, how do we actually know the exact number of people that are on the earth at this time?? Lots of people are dying en masse already in the middle east, Africa, and China..... They've already started depopulizing --and they've been doing it for YEARS. There are lots of people living right now who should probably volunteer their lives for this BS "cause", but that's not a reflection on all humans.

We need to be aware, and respect all life on this planet. We have the most profound effect on this Earth.

[adbasque]

There are too many posts in this thread to read them all, and not sure if they've been mentioned, but the Georgia Guidestones is a good thing to look into; all the elite love it for it's message.... because it was created by the elite, for the elite.

There aren't more people than the earth can sustain. If the current numbers are true, the earths population could exist in the Sothwestern US states, with room to spare. The PTB's cause wars, make sanctions on starving nations which prevents them from receiving adequate care, and these engineered wars force these people into desert areas where food can't be grown.... there is more than enough food, land space, and water for everyone without those who horde all the good things for themselves. Stop pollution through industry, military and automobile waste, and we'll be fine. Lift sanctions, stop military spending, and everyone eats. Besides, how do we actually know the exact number of people that are on the earth at this time?? Lots of people are dying en masse already in the middle east, Africa, and China..... They've already started depopulizing --and they've been doing it for YEARS. There are lots of people living right now who should probably volunteer their lives for this BS "cause", but that's not a reflection on all humans.

We need to be aware, and respect all life on this planet. We have the most profound effect on this Earth.

Yes it's true they've been mass killing for decades and generations, that's not new
But this time they have stepped up a gear, they are at full speed, becaue they feel they must kill as many as they can.

Of course there's enough food to feed the world population 6 times over
I mean every human being will eat proper food not left overs or anything like that.

there's enough food for years to come, especially with the technology we have today, go to any country and you'll see miles and miles of fields and some land has not yet been cultivated or even used.

Monsanto is buying the land of everybody to push their GM food programme to the maximum.
Getting rid of the natural seeds, well not getting rid but hiding it for themselves and their children.
While we are fed poison on a daily basis, and that's why an average person today will not reach 60.
The ones whom are dying at 80/90 years old are the older generation, they weren't exposed to the amount of toxics that we are exposed today, and the new generations will live even less.

While they live and reach their 80s and 90s, people like david rockefeller and Kissinger and many more they all live on average 80 to 100, easily

The royal family members all live long, do you think it's a coincidence?
while the rest of us, we die under 40

[lightworks]

fuck the illuminati...they are all dead anyway...because what life seeks to destroy as opposed to create?

[gizmocrystal]

Just see how supermarket operate, they keep a product until it expires and then they dump it, sometimes they reduce it in price, but to give it away?

Never, because it sets a bad example for business, in their arguments, people will never buy, they'll wait to be given to them.

But they've been doing it for years, and the same people still can't afford it, so they're depriving them.

They don't care, all they care is profit. lots of it.

Greed is the biggest sin of all, it's the driving engine of all our miseries in this world.

If you see what people spend their money on absolutely useless childish things, instead of giving £1 or 1$ or whatever to the needy, they avoid you if they can.

I don't personally believe in charities, I know they are a big scam too, they are part of the Elite, the money never ever reaches the needy.

Either in Europe or elsewhere.
We have and MUST re-educate ourselves again that's what we need, to get rid of some bad habits.

Become humans again, it takes more than flesh and blood to make a human being.



Agree.

You should see the wastage at the hospital where mum works.

They order food for the patients. If the patients go home before the food is bought up, It all gets thrown in the bin, staff are not allowed to eat it!:eek:

There were some pizzas left over that were wrapped up (Not cooked) If my mum was to bring one home she would get fired!!:eek: They would rather you throw it in the Fu**ing bin:mad:

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Agree.

You should see the wastage at the hospital where mum works.

They order food for the patients. If the patients go home before the food is bought up, It all gets thrown in the bin, staff are not allowed to eat it!:eek:

There were some pizzas left over that were wrapped up (Not cooked) If my mum was to bring one home she would get fired!!:eek: They would rather you throw it in the Fu**ing bin:mad:

Yes just think for a minute

How many restaurants in every town that throws food
how many towns in one country
how many countries
how many schools that throws food
how many hospitals
how many take aways throw food every night
how many supermarket world wide throw millions of tons of food
how many public organisations throw food away
how many parties, weddings, and the list goes on
the list is endless of the amount of wastage that occurs every hour of the day of everyday.

The amount of food thrown away is beyond staggering
and yet people are starving to death, not only in African countries, Asians and so on, but even in the so called developed countries.

Many people don't have enough food to put in their mouths.

It makes me sick when these bastards pretend that there's a shortage of food, the only reason we have a food shortage it's because they want it to happen.

They blame people and call them "useless eaters" the corporations put profits before human lives.
They can see that children are literally dying each day, but the truth is
they want to see that, it excites them, they love to see pain, hunger, misery, and inflict pain on others.

[gripit]

They can see that children are literally dying each day, but the truth is they want to see that, it excites them, they love to see pain, hunger, misery, and inflict pain on others.

According to the United Nations World Food Program chief James Morris, 18,000 children die every day from hunger and malnutrition. Morris called the situation “a terrible indictment of the world in 2007.”

I guess that figure isn't nearly high enough for the bastards.

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According to the United Nations World Food Program chief James Morris, 18,000 children die every day from hunger and malnutrition. Morris called the situation “a terrible indictment of the world in 2007.”

I guess that figure isn't nearly high enough for the bastards.

.........and still despite this + other factors they tell us we are overpopulated. Worst of all is that peeps cannot see through this propaganda campaign:confused:

[gripit]

.........and still despite this + other factors they tell us we are overpopulated. Worst of all is that peeps cannot see through this propaganda campaign:confused:

I try and spread the word, but people love being lied to...I guess, sigh!

A great piece (http://www.junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20070222.html) from a couple years back...

Climate Alarmists Abuse 'Children'

Thursday, February 22, 2007
By Steven Milloy

“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel,” said famed 18th century British lexicographer Samuel Johnson. To update the quote for our current era you might substitute “children” for “patriotism” and “climate alarmist” for “scoundrel.”

Last week, outgoing United Nations World Food Program chief James Morris reminded us that 18,000 children die every day from hunger and malnutrition. Morris called the situation “a terrible indictment of the world in 2007.”

In contrast to our quixotic fixation with trying to fine-tune global climate by tweaking atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, the ongoing tragedy of starving children would seem to be a relatively easy problem to solve. After all, wealthy developed nations have plenty of surplus food and the wherewithal to deliver it to the world’s malnourished.

While the long-term solution for the starving children, of course, is the sort of economic development and political reform that would enable poverty stricken regions to develop self-sustaining economies, the short-term solution requires immediate direct aid from developed nations. And so it would seem that if the developed world’s opinion leaders and policymakers truly cared about “the children” as much as they publicly claim, food aid would already be flying to the world’s starving.

But it’s not. The only things flying around, in fact, are ubiquitous professions of alleged concern for children.

In offering a $25 million reward to anyone who can develop a method for eliminating one billion tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, Virgin CEO Richard Branson said, “I want a future for my children and my children’s children.”

But if children are so important to Branson, why not offer the $25 million reward for getting food to those that need it now?

Nobel Peace Prize-nominee Al Gore told a New York University audience last September that, “Our children have a right to hold us to a higher standard when their future… is hanging in the balance.”

But the future for 18,000 hungry children extends about 24 hours. What’s our planetary hero doing about that?

Former United Nations’ chief Kofi Annan recently opined in the Washington Post that, “Every day that we do nothing, or too little, to prevent climate change imposes higher costs on our children.”

It’s too bad that Annan’s concern for children didn’t come a little earlier in his 10-year stint as UN head during which time approximately 66 million children (based on Morris’ figures) died from hunger and malnutrition.

NASA’s climate alarmist-in-chief told the Ventura County Star (Feb. 8) that, “The U.S. must [tackle global warming because]… we have a moral burden for our children and grandchildren.”

Unless the “our” in Hansen’s quote refers only to American children, it would seem that “our” moral burden lies elsewhere given hunger’s daily death toll.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said in June 2006 that “Our future, our children and our prosperity demand bold action [on climate].” Illinois Gov. Ron Blagojevich said earlier this month that, “…we can help minimize the effects of climate change and ensure our children and grandchildren inherit a healthy world full of opportunity.”

If state politicians are going to worry about global issues, perhaps they ought to extend their concerns to the world’s neediest children.

In an August 2006 meeting with big-city mayors, former President Bill Clinton said, “… it doesn’t make sense for us to sit back and wait for others to act. The fate of the planet that our children and grandchildren will inherit is in our hands, and it is our responsibility to do something about this crisis.”

He’s right except that the “crisis” is starvation, not hypothetical climate change possibly associated with essential economic activity.

The 2008 presidential candiates are also exploiting “the children.”

After the most recent UN report on global warming was issued earlier this month, Sen. Hillary Clinton said on her web site, “Do we act or do we accept the risk of handing a degraded planet to our children, our grandchildren, and their grandchildren?... It is time for us to act. I will be pressing for action in the Senate this year.”

Barack Obama says on his web site that, “…in the end, it will not be us who deal with [global warming’s] most devastating effects. It will be our children, and our grandchildren.”

The media also claims concern for “the children.”

In a recent column extolling former President Gerald Ford’s goal to reduce imported oil and criticizing President Bush for not doing the same, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman wrote, “Had we achieved everything Ford proposed, the price of oil today would be $20 a barrel, not $60, the polar ice caps might not be melting, the polar bear might still have a chance, and our children would have a future.”

I wonder if Friedman has any idea that there are thousands of children for whom there is no tomorrow, let alone a “future.” I also wonder if he’ll ever learn about the malnutrition tragedy since the New York Times (like most other media) didn’t see fit to report Morris’ comments.

Even accepting for the sake of argument the dubious claim that global warming may lead to 160,000 “extra” deaths per year at some future point, that claim pales in comparison to the ongoing 18,000-actual-dead-children-per-day figure.

Moreover, the economy-killing nature of greenhouse gas regulation likely would prevent poverty-stricken regions from developing – the long-term solution to stopping hunger’s horrific death toll.

Uttering vague concern for “the children” may make for good global warming sound bites. But such hot air does little to help the world’s real children who are slated to die largely preventable deaths.

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In offering a $25 million reward to anyone who can develop a method for eliminating one billion tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, Virgin CEO Richard Branson said, “I want a future for my children and my children’s children.”

But if children are so important to Branson, why not offer the $25 million reward for getting food to those that need it now?

Brilliant.

Branson is a bizarre creatue. He is one of the world's major Co2 producers but it telling everyone else to cut back. He also said that he was going to do whatever it took to get Gerry and Kate McCann off the hook no matter how much it cost.


http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040927/040927_branson_hmed_930a.h2.jpg
Does he think this thing is going to get his millionaires friends into space without producing incredible amounts of the same Co2 he is telling the rest of us to cut back on? Are these people even aware of their own sensational double standards?