Neuro linguistic programming thread

[millhouse]

Hi guys, while at the gym today, i couldnt avoid the tv screen which was showing one of the music channels in the ten minutes or so i saw, 2 examples of NLP, the first one was : 'Hit 40 uk with the biggest hits' and Lady Gaga - Poker face, do you see it?
I am convinced these are forms of NLP, what do you think? This was just in 10 mins so i imagine ther are hundreds out there, programming them that dont know all the time,once you look out for them its amazing how many there are trying to programme the sheep.
Have any of you seen any more?

[seno]

This is a favourite of mine:

FOX 'News' Dirty Tricks Exposed Part 1 of 3 - YouTube
FOX 'News' Dirty Tricks Exposed Part 2 of 3 - YouTube
FOX ' News ' Dirty Tricks Exposed Part 3 of 3 - YouTube

Yes, it is everywhere, I don't doubt it.

[hellosatellites]

Oh for sure, it's everywhere. And used generously everywhere and by anyone with an agenda that relies on 'persuasion'. They are trained in the arts of persuasion too. It's not just by accident politicians, mainstream media, advertising people, gurus and demagoges persuade, seduce, manipulate and brainwash. It's by willful design :)

Once you start waking up to these things -it becomes virtually impossible to un-see it again, which is a bit of a curse sometimes, but it's also the beginning of waking up, becoming selective and making infomed choices.
So ultimately the necessary steps towards real independence, freedom of thought and maturity.

[clozaril]

here is paul mckenna using nlp to help a woman get on with her life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDwhqXWu-A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nlpconnections.com%2Fvideos% 2Fpaul-mckenna%2Ffast-phobia-cure.html&feature=player_embedded

[jojo]

good thread... this subject really interests me

[wolf367]

Hi guys, while at the gym today, i couldnt avoid the tv screen which was showing one of the music channels in the ten minutes or so i saw, 2 examples of NLP, the first one was : 'Hit 40 uk with the biggest hits' and Lady Gaga - Poker face, do you see it?
I am convinced these are forms of NLP, what do you think? This was just in 10 mins so i imagine ther are hundreds out there, programming them that dont know all the time,once you look out for them its amazing how many there are trying to programme the sheep.
Have any of you seen any more?

What specifically in Poker Face strikes you as neuro linguistic programming. I also think there's a lot of mind control in Lady Gaga's videos but I've never been able to really pinpoint anything specific other than her constant all seeing eye poses.

[millhouse]

poke... her... face? its the same principal as the line in the new 'Britney' song 'If you seek amy' ....translates in the subconcious as F ...U....C...K....ME.. do you see?

[millhouse]

This is a favourite of mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVhW8l5rKi4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHQ3u-8K7e8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YoLG6Iw_pU

Yes, it is everywhere, I don't doubt it.

Ye i have seen this, before How Annoying is that Bastard!!!!!!

[narcolepticwatchman]

poke... her... face? its the same principal as the line in the new 'Britney' song 'If you seek amy' ....translates in the subconcious as F ...U....C...K....ME.. do you see?

Or, 'I kissed a girl and I like Tit, the taste of her cherry chaps dick'

[krakhead]

poke... her... face? its the same principal as the line in the new 'Britney' song 'If you seek amy' ....translates in the subconcious as F ...U....C...K....ME.. do you see?

That has nothing to do with NLP, just a writers trick to be a bit rude (or to destroy humanity - one of the two!)

Have you actually read anything on NLP and it's construct?

Or, 'I kissed a girl and I like Tit, the taste of her cherry chaps dick'

Now you're all getting silly and should go for a walk outside or something more constructive....

[thetonic]

That has nothing to do with NLP, just a writers trick to be a bit rude (or to destroy humanity - one of the two!)



On the contrary , the Britney Spears song is blatant NLP , the OP has got it spot on

[krakhead]

On the contrary , the Britney Spears song is blatant NLP , the OP has got it spot on

Well it has nothing to do do with the NLP I know - where's the instruction? Where's the command? All there is in the Britney song is a slightly hidden swear word.

[thetonic]

Well it has nothing to do do with the NLP I know - where's the instruction? Where's the command? All there is in the Britney song is a slightly hidden swear word.

slightly hidden, thats the bit you lot dont seem to be able to make out...

they are programming you with 'slightly hidden' messages throughout your entire life

[krakhead]

slightly hidden, thats the bit you lot dont seem to be able to make out...

they are programming you with 'slightly hidden' messages throughout your entire life

"You lot"?! Who's "you lot"? Everyone who doesn't see the world as you do? :rolleyes:

Like I said - if it was NLP, where's the command, what is it trying to get you to do?

[thetonic]

where's the command, what is it trying to get you to do?

thats something i would like people to figure out on their own!!!! I dont give the answers , I give the questions that lead to answers...

[krakhead]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=915733&postcount=13

Now there's some great NLP!

[millhouse]

On the contrary , the Britney Spears song is blatant NLP , the OP has got it spot on

Totally agree with you mate!!

Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as "a model of interpersonal communication chiefly concerned with the relationship between successful patterns of behaviour and the subjective experiences (esp. patterns of thought) underlying them" and "a system of alternative therapy based on this which seeks to educate people in self-awareness and effective communication, and to change their patterns of mental and emotional behaviour".

I think the last line pretty much sums it up.....

Just another to haver you constantly thinking about sex all the time without you even realising it

Your entitled to your opinion Krakhead, but i disagree with you.

[clozaril]

ok so you know what nlp is because you read the definition in a dictionary. thats like saying i know about the wildlife of australia because i watched an episode of home and away.

this is john grinder explaining nlp

John Grinder PhD., "What is NLP?" - YouTube

[millhouse]

so what are you saying about the examples that are given then, is it just the record bosses havin ' a bit of a laugh' introducing rude words for a little giggle between themselves??

[brainfreeze]

Or, 'I kissed a girl and I like Tit, the taste of her cherry chaps dick'


Brilliant, I must remember this version :D

[clozaril]

what i'm sayin is what you think NLP is, it isn't.

[glacidtek]

I'm realy interested in this..... thanks for the links - once you start to get to grips with it you realise its everywhere!

[clozaril]

once you start to get to grips with it you realise its everywhere!

i think you will find thats an area of your brain called the recticular activating system doing that for you

The RAS acts as the executive secretary for your conscious mind. It is the chief gatekeeper to screen or filter the type of information that will be allowed to get through. Everything else is filtered out. You simply don't pay attention to those other 'messages.' Like the restaurant noises at high noon when you are engrossed in a meaningful conversation—you screen them out.


http://graciousliving.typepad.com/the_write_event/2007/08/the-reticular-a.html

[glacidtek]

clozaril -
this is very simmilar to the acoustic phonomenon of Audio Masking:

where white noise (all audible frequencys at the same volume) can mask a normaly clear audible sound......... ie filling our brains with random noize to distract.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics#Masking_effects

http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~bosse/proj/node9.html

[deca]

i think you will find thats an area of your brain called the recticular activating system doing that for you



http://graciousliving.typepad.com/the_write_event/2007/08/the-reticular-a.html

hmm thanks for the link

Might explain why some TI`s think there's hidden message planted around there niebour hood. This part of the brain might be zapped when you catch a number plate or other object etc.....start believe they been sent/planted to give you a warning

[neworderhorizon]

I thought the whole song and video where very creepy. She does do NLP in it. The thing when she puts her hand up to her eye, its the "666" trick.
Plus the song played backwards says stuff about osama and the world, but that could just be the power of suggestion.
Tis freaky!

Plus the bit at the start of the video really creeps me out and iam not sure why, I think there more than meets the eye.

[thetonic]

here is paul mckenna using nlp to help a woman get on with her life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDwhqXWu-A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nlpconnections.com%2Fvideos% 2Fpaul-mckenna%2Ffast-phobia-cure.html&feature=player_embedded

sorry but that is a terrible example of NLP ... That is more along the lines of simple speech therapy and coaching techniques associated with modern pyschology

[thetonic]

ok so you know what nlp is because you read the definition in a dictionary. thats like saying i know about the wildlife of australia because i watched an episode of home and away.

this is john grinder explaining nlp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJzO5x6ko6w&feature=channel_page

blah blah blah blha

the guy talks endlessley about nothing..

NLP

Neuro = the Brain / Mind

Linguistic = Speech

Programming = Organizing / Imprinting / Programming


Programming the brain through speech and speech patterns !!!

[clozaril]

the co-creator of nlp is talking about about what nlp is.

this thread is ridiculous you are saying the phobia cure is not nlp but putting your hand near your face is nlp and means 666 and the song poker face is making men walk up to a woman and poke her face.

is the full moon giving off retard vibrations ?

[thetonic]

this thread is ridiculous you are saying the clip above is not nlp but putting your hand near your eye is nlp

Que???

The first video you posted with mckenna I suppose could be mis-construed as watered down NLP .. But its really more basic coaching and queing than any kind of subversive NLP

I dont know what youre talking about with hands near eyes?

[thetonic]

the co-creator of nlp is talking about about what nlp is.



How could he be the co-creator of knowledge thats been around for thousands of years?

[clozaril]

you obviously know nothing about nlp as the co-creator of nlp describing nlp is, to you, a guy talking endlessly about nothing.

mckenna doing a phobia cure is not nlp yet a britney spears song is subversive nlp.

are you subjected to subversive nlp what does it make you do ?

[thetonic]

[QUOTE]you obviously know nothing about nlp as the co-creator of nlp describing nlp is, to you, a guy talking endlessly about nothing.


Sorry but if youve breeched the level of occult NLP it makes this guy sound like winnie the poo talking a lot of nothing

mckenna doing a phobia cure is not nlp yet a britney spears song is subversive nlp.

I think you are the one who is having a hard time understanding the true nature of occult NLP. You experience it everyday and of course most goes unnoticed by people.

are you subjected to subversive nlp what does it make you do ?

Most peoples very personality is directly shaped and influenced by NLP

The britney spears song was a great example... You think she wrote that song? Cmon man, time to wake up

[neworderhorizon]

I just saw a Pizza Hut advert with a guy getting a blowjob in the background. Its the one were a woman in an office is opening her lunch box and taking out a stick of celery, in the background to the left there is a man in a chair with a woman knelled in front him "fiddling" with his lap. Iam sure its only because of the camera angle, but someone must have set it up like that.
Watch out for the ad!
Later.

[clozaril]

Sorry but if youve breeched the level of occult NLP it makes this guy sound like winnie the poo talking a lot of nothing

I think you are the one who is having a hard time understanding the true nature of occult NLP. You experience it everyday and of course most goes unnoticed by people.

Most peoples very personality is directly shaped and influenced by NLP

The britney spears song was a great example... You think she wrote that song? Cmon man, time to wake up

so the co-creator of nlp is still talking of nothing connected to nlp. and nlp has turned from nlp to subversive-nlp to occult-nlp within 5 posts.

this occult-nlp you experience everyday can you go into more detail like how does it feel when it happens to you and what can you do to stop or avoid it? and what should we notice of this occult-nlp that goes unnoticed by people, what are the tell-tale signs ?


also what is it i have to wake up to ?

[Ian2day]

I had the idea to put the news report at the beginning and end of the song so that people would be aware of just what was contained in the lyrics. So no hidden subliminal messages would be contained. It was just a bit of fun. A way to get a swear word on TV. It is your mind that sees it as something else immplied. My lyrics follow natural speach patterns and rhyming flow.

I have considered that maybe it is all satanic. So much in fact that I have concluded that all speach, language, writing, technology and music, art, clothes are of occult origins. I was even looking to take a vow of silence and become a hermit so I could reject it all. As I deemed it all to be a test of me. That is the only way I can rationalise what has happened. At the moment I am failing miserably. No one ever said it would be easy though.

[thetonic]

this occult-nlp you experience everyday can you go into more detail like how does it feel when it happens to you and what can you do to stop or avoid it? and what should we notice of this occult-nlp that goes unnoticed by people, what are the tell-tale signs ?



Well like I was saying this is something that goes largely un noticed by your conscious mind... Meaning something that may seem apparently normal and harmless could infact be programming via your subconscious mind whether it be through the tv , magazines, books, or simply somebody speaking to you.

All I can recommend to help avoiding this happening is to take back control of your mind ie, focus your thoughts and be aware of all the stimuli that is going on around you... Reconnect with your intuition , with your creative spirit, dismantle your ego and stop projecting meaning onto your reality and the true nature and reality of this type of control will be shown to you, I promise

[kimball13]

a bit of an inside scoop from the memories of boyhood and such, an old man that was an electronics instructor was issued a book with the title Neuro linguistic programing, that book was issued during ww2 to a man that they would not allow to go over seas because he was considered to valuable.

Im pretty shure most have heard of a knee jerk reaction, or have bin to the doctor for a check up and had him tap your knee and elbows, well imagine someone doing that to your brain, heart, endocrine system, adrenal glands, then the suggestions, it is a very very complex system and if i was a sick fck i would apreciate its complexity but i dont admire stupidity.

but ya know them Drill instructors are pretty good at crushing most prior neuro liguistic programing (the illuminate use it in there indoctrination with and est programing twist),,,,,,,,,,the only problem with the millitary way of breaking it is what it replaces it with, a whole new set of programing,,,,,,,but then that is also why there are laws against screaming at a stupid idiot because you just might break there programing(WARNING, DO NOT EXPERIMENT),,,,,,,,,,but that is one reason why the pharmisutical push of head meds for emotional discomfort,,,,,,,,,,,,

What do doctors say about pain, pain is an indicator to there is something broken or about to break,,,, and aply that to mental health and emotional well being or spiritual survival and you may feel a bit angry, sad, etc then the lables come and the add campaigns desinged to catch the ones that dont take to the blanket programing in society and aply the proper medication to make them more suggestive of vegetative so that the pain of cognitive dissonance is not noticed. But please dont get me wrong there are some that do need those meds, but in the same token there are natural rememdies such as cannabis, kava kava, valerian root, coffee, etc,,,,,,..........

Would someone that hits the deck when a car backfires be neuro linguisticly programed,,,,,,,,,,i have found that even people that have never bin shot at do this, actualy some that have bin shot at more than most dont even flinch, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then there is the sound of mom to baby or father to baby, as well as baby to parents........

im sure im mixing a few other things in this subject because when i came across certain info i just recognized it,,,,,,,its a bit creepy the things i recognize most of the time it causes confusion for those in the supposed know, the reason being is the know the proper terms and words and when they see what i say they recognize it, oh ya but that is what part of that type of stuff is about penatrating to the subconcience without the conciseness registering it, or is that sub-neural linguistic programing, that would be very useful for a de-programer to be taught that way because then he would not have access to the info to use it for his own purpose as well as limit any outside access, and by the time he was noticed the de-programing codes were in the system,,,,,,,,,,,,,just a thought after all when they are dealing with something as volatile as this they would treat it just like a red button, the only problem is tht these fail safes arnte triggered unless certain things take place.

Now that would be an excelent plot outline for the next manchurian candidate movie,,,,,,,,,,,,,i thought they did an exelent job on the new one with Denzel Washington,,,,,,,,,,,especialy those seens where someone kinda says something or completly changes charecter, anyways i saw allot of examples of it...

heres a link, and think of how medicine can be poison and poison medicine,,,,,,,,,and for the record as an adult i just looked at the titles to some books in two studys of which i am the rightful heir, my concern is that i knew just by the titles what was in those books and i had no need to read them,,,,,,,,,,,,although there is one book i did take and read and it was Called the Armor of God(interesting what you will find in a templar library)(and for the record it was not the templar library that the linguistic book was it was naval/catholic),,,,,,,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming


im going to do some cut and paste with foot notes hope you dont mind

Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as "a model of interpersonal communication chiefly concerned with the relationship between successful patterns of behaviour and the subjective experiences (esp. patterns of thought) underlying them" and "a system of alternative therapy based on this which seeks to educate people in self-awareness and effective communication, and to change their patterns of mental and emotional behaviour"[1] The co-founders, Richard Bandler and linguist John Grinder claimed it would be instrumental in "finding ways to help people have better, fuller and richer lives". [2] They coined the title to denote a supposed theoretical connection between neurological processes ('neuro'), language ('linguistic') and behavioral patterns that have been learned through experience ('programming') and that can be organised to achieve specific goals in life.[3][4][5]
NLP was originally promoted by its founders, Bandler and Grinder, in the 1970s as an extraordinarily effective and rapid form of psychological therapy[6][7], capable of addressing the full range of problems which psychologists are likely to encounter, such as phobias, depression, habit disorder, psychosomatic illnesses, learning disorders. [8] It also espoused the potential for self-determination through overcoming learned limitations[9] and emphasized well-being and healthy functioning. Later, it was promoted as a 'science of excellence', derived from the study or 'modeling'[10] of how successful or outstanding people in different fields obtain their results. It was claimed that these skills can be learned by anyone to improve their effectiveness both personally and professionally[11]
Because of the absence of any firm empirical evidence supporting its sometimes extravagant claims, NLP has enjoyed little or no support from the scientific community. It continues to make no impact on mainstream academic psychology, and only limited impact on mainstream psychotherapy and counselling.[12] However, it has some influence among private psychotherapists, including hypnotherapists, to the extent that they claim to be trained in NLP and ‘use NLP’ in their work. It has also had an enormous influence in management training, life coaching, and the self-help industry[13].

so if the public story is it was developed in 1970s why was the book i looked at the title page from the navy durring ww2...


now lets look at the uses, now mind you the person that was the owner of this book i spent allot of time with,,,,,,,,,,,,he also worked on the first remote control tech durring wwII, so maybe he taught me more than i will ever know and to tell you the truth i realy dont want to know the how to aply some of this knowledge i am perfectly fine just knowing how to break it.
Interpersonal communications and persuasion
While the main goals of Neuro-linguistic programming are therapeutic, the patterns have also been adapted for use outside of psychotherapy including business communication, management training[77], sales[78], sports[79], and interpersonal influence[22].
For some, the techniques, such as anchoring, reframing, therapeutic metaphor and hypnotic suggestion, were intended to be used in the therapeutic setting. Research in counseling psychology found rapport to be no more effective than existing listening skills taught to counselors.[citation needed] Furthermore, Druckman found weak empirical support for PRS and little theoretical support in counseling psychology and the experimental literature for NLP as a technique for social influence.[22] Sharpley concluded that most of the other techniques available in NLP were already available in counseling.
Outside of psychotherapy, the meta model, for example, is seen by some as a promising business management communication technique.[80]
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oh and if you didnt read between the lines go back and read again.


Cognitive science may be concisely defined as the study of the nature of intelligence. It draws on multiple empirical disciplines, including psychology, philosophy, neuroscience, linguistics, anthropology, computer science, sociology and biology. The term cognitive science was coined by Christopher Longuet-Higgins in his 1973 commentary on the Lighthill report, which concerned the then-current state of Artificial Intelligence research.[1] In the same decade, the journal Cognitive Science and the Cognitive Science Society were founded.[2] Cognitive science differs from cognitive psychology in that algorithms that are intended to simulate human behavior are implemented or implementable on a computer.[3][4]


Persuasion is a form of social influence. It is the process of guiding people toward the adoption of an idea, attitude, or action by rational and symbolic (though not always logical) means. It is strategy of problem-solving relying on "appeals" rather than coercion. According to Aristotle, "Rhetoric is the art of discovering, in a particular case, the available means of persuasion."

Cognitive/behavioral hypnotherapy
From the 1980s onward a growing number of clinical textbooks written by contemporary researchers such as Steven Jay Lynn, Irving Kirsch, E. Thomas Dowd, William Golden, Assen Alladin, and others, began to appear. These combined hypnotherapy with elements of cognitive and behaviour therapy. In 1974, Theodore Barber and his colleagues published an influential review of the research which argued, following the earlier social psychology of Theodore R. Sarbin, that hypnotism was better understood not as a "special state" but as the result of normal psychological variables, such as active imagination, expectation, appropriate attitudes, and motivation.[5] Barber introduced the term "cognitive-behavioral" to describe the nonstate theory of hypnotism, and discussed its application to behavior therapy.
The growing application of cognitive and behavioral psychological theories and concepts to the explanation of hypnosis paved the way for a closer integration of hypnotherapy with various cognitive and behavioral therapies. However, many cognitive and behavioral therapies were themselves originally influenced by older hypnotherapy techniques[6], e.g., the systematic desensitisation of Joseph Wolpe, the cardinal technique of early behavior therapy, was originally called "hypnotic desensitisation"[7] and derived from the Medical Hypnotism (1948) of Lewis Wolberg. The traditional style of hypnotherapy can be seen as a precursor of cognitive-behavioral therapy insofar as both place emphasis upon "common sense" theoretical explanations and the use of relaxation, and rehearsal of positive ideas and imagery in therapy. Modern cognitive therapy primarily differs from previous hypnotherapy approaches by placing much greater emphasis upon the direct Socratic disputation of negative beliefs. However, cognitive-behavioral hypnotherapists, like those mentioned in this section, have assimilated this technique alongside their use of hypnosis.

i suppose you could say i am the culmination of both my grandfathers work and a great uncles with help of there peers, my hypnotheripie began in the mid-70's as a possible answer for the rogue dr's that drifted into the woodwork after all of the mk-ultra type stuff was shredded before it could properly be dismantled,,,,,,,,,,,,its takem me years to accept this but i understand drastic times require drastic measures so what was done to me and others to combat this may have bin the only way,,,,,,,,,for the record there were sessions that i was completely concience and i remember some of the techniques i was taught,,,,i guess you could say i made it a habit to peak at times, guess you could say i was born a bit paranoid,,,,,,,so imagine if you had a childhood where you were very looked after by two or three men of such backgrounds as naval advanced electronics ww2, high level templar and also a high ranking army officer, yet all kept there distance accept the one with the electronics/neuroliguistics, the others did there work through others including medical facilitys as well as museums.

So it realy creaps me out about some of this stuff especialy the more i realize that things in my life were never normal in any sense, there was and is allot of knowledge that i just assume others know and can recognize, it is very diconcerning the things i see on a daily basis, then when i go to find a sort of presidence or to see if there is any research done on this sutff i find almost verbatum, oh then something like neurolinguistics and they say it started in the 70's my ass i saw a book that was at least 50 years old, i think the copy write was something like 1942.................

and here is part of the heart break, my grandfathers had to be secretive even to other family members, they knew what i was and my duty, that is why i was taken sailing and also why one of my uncles was/is jeolouse along with my mother, they never understood why he treated me like a son and peer, both grandmothers knew something was good about me but then they never knew and outside influence and such takes its tole,,,,,,,one grandmother told me i was just like my grandfather especialy with my knowledge of spiritual things, the other said something similar but what she noticed was how i dont give up on what is important as well as how much abuse i can take from society,,,,,,,,,,,,ya think batman/spiderman/hulk/wolverine etc get screwed with and thought of as criminals in comics well i dont have to think i know.........................And some tell me, the one i dont like is some say i look like a killer, i have that so called natural instinct or something like that,,,,,,,,,,,but if you look and watch closely, you may see how children and animals as well as what some call have mental health issues react around me no matter what mood im in,,but dam that creeps me out to because i can see it in the childrens eyes its like they know that i will do everything in my power and heart to protect them, is a bit crazy the humility in my heart whn this happens, but then maybe that is why i was picked or chosen as a little boy for this specific task, and who knows maybe its genetic as well as astrological with a bit of prophecy. maybe it has to do with all those dreams about Rama as a boy, and there again finding my childhood epic dreams in old religions, talk about creepy,,,,,,,,that was another thing is i used to have kinda like story lines that continued in separate dreams,,,,,,,,,,,i think some of the programing i went through was to supress these memories and to not look to deeply into them but i still began to notice many similaritys in what was between my ears and what i was learning in christianity and native american ways, i always steared clear of learning to much about Buddhism, Wica/witchcraft, Hinduism and Celtic ways until after 911 and there was the why some of the people i came across breifly were a bit confused. But then i also make so called spriritual leaders a bit edgy.

[kimball13]

it would take a while to define and outline what it realy is, it would probley take the same amount of time to define it that it takes to repair the damage it caused,,,,,,,,,,,,i did not read it all or realy sift through it but what i gleaned it there is allot of filler in this article but there is the base info contained,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,here is a simple answer, walk up behind someone enough times and scream in there ear and watch what begins to happend, i almost garantee sooner or later you wont get a peap out before you nose or arm are broken or are told that that is what is going to happen the next time(neuro linguistic programing:eek:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming#Uses
Meta model
Main article: Meta model (NLP)
The meta model can be seen as a heuristic that responds to the words and phrases that reveal unconscious limitations and faulty thinking — the distortions, generalizations and deletions in language. Bandler and Grinder observed similar patterns in the communication of Fritz Perls and Virginia Satir (and gleaned from a set of transformational grammar language categories). The meta model seeks to recover unspoken information, and to challenge generalization the other distorted messages that involve restrictive thinking and beliefs.[18] The intent is to help someone develop new choice in thinking and behavior. By listening to and carefully responding to the distortions (generalizations and deletions) in a client's sentences, the practitioner seeks to respond to the syntactic form of the sentence rather than the content itself.
For example, if someone said, "everyone must love me," the message is overly general as it does not specify any particular person or group of people. Examples of meta model responses include "which people, specifically?" or "all people?" and questions to define the criteria that would be acceptable for this person to know when he or she is experiencing the state of "love". The practitioner also understands that words such as "must" also indicates necessity or lack of choice on the part of the speaker. A meta-model response might be, "what would happen if they did/didn't?" Practitioners choose when to respond and when not to, using softeners and linkage phrases from the Milton model to maintain rapport.
Milton model
Main article: Milton model
In contrast to the Meta Model of NLP, which seeks to specify information, is the Milton Erickson-inspired Milton model described by Bandler and Grinder as "artfully vague"[56]. In it the communicator makes statements that seem specific but allow the listener to fill in their own meaning for what is being said. It makes use of pacing and leading, ambiguity, metaphor, embedded suggestion, and multiple-meaning sentence structures. It has been described as "a way of using language to induce and maintain trance in order to contact the hidden resources of our personality".[57] The Milton model has three primary aspects: First, to assist in building and maintaining rapport with the client. Second, to overload and distract the conscious mind so that unconscious communication can be cultivated. Third, to allow for interpretation in the words offered to the client.[58]
After spending months closely studying Erickson's language (verbal and non-verbal) and imitating the way that Erickson worked with clients, Bandler and Grinder published the Milton model in 1976/1977 under the title The Patterns of Milton H. Erickson Volumes I & II[59]. In the preface, Erickson said, "Although this book [...] is far from being a complete description of my methodologies, as they so clearly state it is a much better explanation of how I work than I, myself, can give. I know what I do, but to explain how I do it is much too difficult for me."[59] Erickson was known for his use of unconventional approaches, including the use of stories, and for deeply entering the world of his clients. The Milton model is a way of communicating based on the hypnotic language patterns of Milton Erickson.[60]
[edit]Representational systems and accessing cues
Main article: Representational systems (NLP)
The basic assumption of NLP is that internal mental processes such as problem solving, memory, and language consist of visual, auditory, kinesthetic, (and possibly olfactory and gustatory) representations (often shortened to VAK or VAKOG) that are engaged when people think about problems, tasks, or activities, or engage in them. Internal sensory representations are constantly being formed and activated. Whether making conversation, talking about a problem, reading a book, kicking a ball, or riding a horse, internal representations have an impact on performance.[22] NLP techniques generally aim to change behavior through modifying the internal representations, examining the way a person represents a problem, and building desirable representations of alternative outcomes or goals. In addition, Bandler and Grinder claimed that the representational system use could be tracked using eye movements, gestures, breathing, sensory predicates, and other cues in order to improve rapport and social influence.[40]
Some of these ideas of sensory representations and associated therapeutic ideas appear to have been imported from gestalt therapy shortly after its creation in the 1970s.[40]
[edit]Accessing cues


An eye accessing cue chart proposed for a normally organized right-handed person.
Key: Vc : Visual construct, Vr : Visual recall, Ac : Auditory construct Ar : Auditory recall, K: Kinesthetic, Ai : Auditory internal dialogue
Bandler and Grinder claimed that matching and responding to the representational systems people use to think is generally beneficial for enhancing rapport and influence in communication.[40] They proposed several models for this purpose including eye accessing cues and sensory predicates. The direction of eye accesses was considered an indicator of the type of internal mental process (see the eye accessing cue chart).
The sensory predicates, breathing posture and gestures were also considered important.[40] In the sensory predicate model, if someone said:
"that rings true for me", rings predicates auditory processing.
"that's clearer now", the sensory predicates clearer indicates some internal visual representation.
"I can see a bright future for myself", the sensory predicates see and bright indicates some internal visual processing.
"I can grasp a hold of the concept", the sensory predicates grasp and hold indicates primarily kinesthetic processing
These verbal cues are often coupled with posture changes, eye movements, skin color, or breathing shifts. Essentially, it was claimed that the practitioner could ascertain the current sensory mode of thinking from external cues such as the direction of eye movements, posture, breathing, tone of voice, and the use of sensory-based predicates.
[edit]Preferred representational systems
The majority of research (as published in the Journal of Counseling Psychology in the early 1980s[41]) focused on Bandler and Grinder's claim [40] that a preferred representational system (PRS) exists and is effective in counseling-client influence. Put simply, they claimed that some people prefer visual, auditory, or kinesthetic processing. Further, a therapist (or communicator) could be more influential by matching the other's preferred system. Christopher Sharpley's review of counselling psychology literature on PRS found that it could not be reliably assessed, it was not certain that it even existed, and it could not be demonstrated to reliably assist counselors.[41] Buckner (published after Sharpley) found some support for the notion that eye movements can indicate visual and auditory components of thought in that moment.[61]
While some NLP training programs and books still feature PRS, many have modified or dropped it. Richard Bandler, for example, de-emphasized its importance in an interview with the Enhancing Human Performance subcommittee.[22] John Grinder, in the New Code of NLP, emphasizes individual calibration and sensory acuity, precluding such a rigidly specified model as the one described above. Responding directly to sensory experience requires an immediacy which respects the importance of context. Grinder also stated in an interview that a representational system diagnosis lasts about 30 seconds.[19]
[edit]Submodalities
Main article: Submodalities (NLP)
Submodalities are the fine details of sensory representational systems or modalities. In the late 1970s, the use of visual imagery was common in goal setting, sports psychology, and meditation. Not only did Bandler and Grinder begin to explore imagery in all sensory modalities (Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic, Gustatory, and Olfactory), they also were interested in the qualities/properties of internal representations, the "submodalities".[62]
Bandler and Grinder observed[40] that for some people, by increasing the brightness, changing the color or location of an internal imagery, intensity of their state also increased. They observed similar patterns in different sensory modalities (e.g. Auditorial and Kinesthetic systems) in other people and changes depending on context.
This work with submodalities inspired a number of novel interventions within NLP, therapeutic, and personal development settings. For example, the swish pattern is proposed to reduce unwanted habits. It involves first deciding on a positive alternative. The desired alternative may be in the form of a representation of the self, resourceful and happy. The internal representations that previously triggered unwanted behavior are identified and recoded in the form of something that is uninteresting to the participant, typically small and dark. The desirable outcome recoded in a form of something that is highly motivating, typically bright, colourful, and large. After the initial preparation, the participant is asked to bring to mind the representation of the unwanted behavior. As this is brought to mind the participant immediately makes it small and dark and brings forth an image of the desired alternative. The process is repeated and revised as required. To test it, the participant then put himself into the context where the old behavior used to be triggered. The process is considered successful if the participant remains resourceful when recalling the context where the unwanted behavior used to occur and automatically thinks of the desired alternative.[63]

[brainfreeze]

Any of you heard of Tony Robbins?

If you have the chance to join a seminar by this guy I would highly recommend it. He had us fire walking on the first night. He totally changed my life. What you think and speak you can manifest. Know that as truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I

[clozaril]

Well like I was saying this is something that goes largely un noticed by your conscious mind... Meaning something that may seem apparently normal and harmless could infact be programming via your subconscious mind whether it be through the tv , magazines, books, or simply somebody speaking to you.

All I can recommend to help avoiding this happening is to take back control of your mind ie, focus your thoughts and be aware of all the stimuli that is going on around you... Reconnect with your intuition , with your creative spirit, dismantle your ego and stop projecting meaning onto your reality and the true nature and reality of this type of control will be shown to you, I promise

ok so normal stuff 'could' be programming your subconscious mind then again it 'could' not be. if it could, sorry, if it does program your subconscious mind what would it program it to do.

lets be clear here you not confusing mind-control with nlp are you ? or to you nlp is mind control.

[brainfreeze]

ok so normal stuff 'could' be programming your subconscious mind then again it 'could' not be. if it could, sorry, if it does program your subconscious mind what would it program it to do.

lets be clear here you not confusing mind-control with nlp are you ? or to you nlp is mind control.

Our minds are like sponges, it takes a whole lot of usefull and useless information in. NLP teaches you how to think, feel and react in a positive way. If you don't understand NLP and are of a negative disposition you do not know or even realise that the shit in your life is thanks to your negative disposition and not the fault of any governement or anyone else out to harm you, it's what your negativity attracts.

[kimball13]

Any of you heard of Tony Robbins?

If you have the chance to join a seminar by this guy I would highly recommend it. He had us fire walking on the first night. He totally changed my life. What you think and speak you can manifest. Know that as truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I


his stuff as well as that secret stuff about manifesting stuff sounds alot like mesmerism, what happens when what you manifest conflicts with the neads of others.

in reality what allot of this stuff is is just like microsoft windows operating system, bugs and all, ya know the constant updates and errors, then all the viruses and such.

Probebley one of the most acurated depiction of how it all works is the celestine prophecy outline of the whole energy transference and vamperism.

here is an example of what i speak, in war the one with less fear usualy wins, and in this war on terror who stays more positive wins,,,,,,,,,,,,think of it this way, someone positive as tony runs into a negitive person, he remains in a positive attitude and sheilds himself and remains positive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now after these types of confrontations they tony type will leave the situation even more charged,,,,,,,,,,,dont get me wrong there is good use for this but when it is made a way of life humanity begins to drift away and when people in a negitive state come around they are negated no matter what the reason is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,imagine this someones child is brutaly murderd in front of them, so the perosn gets realy pissed and negitive, now tell me how is positive thinking going to help,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya and if you dont snap to then the create your own reality people will sooner or later shame you into more of a funk or to cause emotional denile and if you dont do it then you dont get to be part of there bigs smiles club,,,,,,,,,,,,dont get me wrong tony seems like a good guy but if his techniques and others like him work so well then why is it that after 20 years of them being put in the forfront of bussiness and such why is the world full of so much negitive crap,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i dont meen to dicount it it is just a bit coincidental,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CASE AND POINT MADDOFF, think about the techniques he used to do what he did and to all those big mucky mucks,,,,,he used allot of those techniques and he knew his clients did to which made it so easy for him to manipulate them for so long.


i could go on and on about this stuff, but most think im just negitive or have an issue with those types. The reality of it is i use it myself just in its opropriate fashion,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is a differnece between using truth and possitive vibes,,,,,,,,,,,,,ya know fact instead of flattery of self and others.

You ever watch what some would call socialites and well refined people insult one another in a way that the insult could be construde as both a compliment and insult. oh boy it gets sticky, but if you look close enough you will see a power struggle for the reality being created on a very advanced level. This is similar to what i see tony practice, but i willl say that tonys is a more good way,,,,,the only difficulty in tonys methods is it may cause a type of naive state of being.

And what does all this meen and cause, oh ya just look around and you willl see the fruits of all of these self improvement methods. its causing cruise ship dirrectors thinking they can captain the ship, and clerks thinking there leaders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its not realy self improvement, it is only self help, so realy i want to hear one or at least some kinda stat about the reality of the positive affect all this create your own reality stuff creates, an d i dont meen oh im in such a positive mood stuff, or i feel better about myself,,,,,,,,,,,,you think hitler thought ill of himself,,,,,,,,,,,,im talking stuff like hay after tonys seminar i somehow overcame my fear of blood and i found out one day walking down the street and walked right into a tramatic experience and was able to stop someone from bleading to death while another was threatening violence but i kept my cool and remained unmovable in my conviction to find the most positive outcome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh but there is the differnce between the truth and create your reality,,,,,,,,,,,,,living in truth you look for the most positive outcome for alll invovled if you can,,,,,,,,but then sometimes it means some being realy given what they deserve,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,instead it usualy is oh i was walking one day and this man was bleading to death so i used the xxxxxtechnique to remain positive and dialed 911 and continued on to my apointment in a positive attitude and secured the account as well as made a good impression even thoughi had to stop and spend more time around a violent act than i wanted, but i was able to help to by dialing the phone, maybe i even saved his life, oh im such a good positive person,,,,,,,,,,,,,what a fcking load of crap..........I only bring this up because ive actualy seen this type of incident and reaction happen a minimum of 20 times in 5 years, ive even seen some say why not just let em die, then they get all positive and riding the drama wave,,,,,,,,,,,,it is realy creapy when you know what to watch for its like watching a junky get there fix. To to be a bit more clear there are more than one type and i do not intend to defame some, and i dont realy know or pay much attention to Tony, like i say there is basicly two types,,,,,,,,,,,the type that this create your reality that uses it as a kinda positive numbing agent to put blinders on and do the ostrich thing,,,,,,,,,,,then there are the backstabing vampiric type. Its almost comical to find a vampiric type and know it because they will do almost anything to not get pissed or use a substance to mellow out because i guess if they do it has a much more drastic affect in there reality, ya know imagine a dam of negitive energy being held back with there self-help techniques,,,,,,,,,,,,like it says self-help as in selfish, i wonder what would happen if mothers began to feal this way about pregnacy, oh i dont want to feel dicomfort becausei become a bit of a bitty and th ehormone change makes me moody and then the weight gain and pain of child birth, oh well instead of putting everyone else through my hardship i will just go get an aborshion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then the dillusional reality sets in, in the form of look at the noble deed she did by killing her own baby before it became a crime to make the world a better place:confused: then the other woman that gives birth has to go to another type of extreem to counterbalance the imbalance thus creating more of an imbalance in the long run because after alll we are all tought now adays that tellling some one there screwed up in the head is inapropriate and if you are not smilling like some kinda drug induced sex slave and you cussing some fool out then your the insane one.

sorry to be so extreem in my verbage but some time exageration has its place,,,,,,,,,,,,,i saw shollow hall to it was great, but what if tony did that to the wrong person and it made him go even deeper.

[thetonic]

This will give you a good intro to subversive NLP and the visual side of subliminal manipulation

I have added a screenshot of the image from the Harry Potter website before they took it down to promote the next movie... I have not doctored the screen shot in any way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFsv3GK5gX8&feature=PlayList&p=442634E0FB02872D&index=6


http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh16/thetonic/harrypotter-edit.jpg?t=1239384263

[brainfreeze]

his stuff as well as that secret stuff about manifesting stuff sounds alot like mesmerism, what happens when what you manifest conflicts with the neads of others.

in reality what allot of this stuff is is just like microsoft windows operating system, bugs and all, ya know the constant updates and errors, then all the viruses and such.

Probebley one of the most acurated depiction of how it all works is the celestine prophecy outline of the whole energy transference and vamperism.

here is an example of what i speak, in war the one with less fear usualy wins, and in this war on terror who stays more positive wins,,,,,,,,,,,,think of it this way, someone positive as tony runs into a negitive person, he remains in a positive attitude and sheilds himself and remains positive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now after these types of confrontations they tony type will leave the situation even more charged,,,,,,,,,,,dont get me wrong there is good use for this but when it is made a way of life humanity begins to drift away and when people in a negitive state come around they are negated no matter what the reason is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,imagine this someones child is brutaly murderd in front of them, so the perosn gets realy pissed and negitive, now tell me how is positive thinking going to help,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya and if you dont snap to then the create your own reality people will sooner or later shame you into more of a funk or to cause emotional denile and if you dont do it then you dont get to be part of there bigs smiles club,,,,,,,,,,,,dont get me wrong tony seems like a good guy but if his techniques and others like him work so well then why is it that after 20 years of them being put in the forfront of bussiness and such why is the world full of so much negitive crap,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i dont meen to dicount it it is just a bit coincidental,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CASE AND POINT MADDOFF, think about the techniques he used to do what he did and to all those big mucky mucks,,,,,he used allot of those techniques and he knew his clients did to which made it so easy for him to manipulate them for so long.


i could go on and on about this stuff, but most think im just negitive or have an issue with those types. The reality of it is i use it myself just in its opropriate fashion,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is a differnece between using truth and possitive vibes,,,,,,,,,,,,,ya know fact instead of flattery of self and others.

You ever watch what some would call socialites and well refined people insult one another in a way that the insult could be construde as both a compliment and insult. oh boy it gets sticky, but if you look close enough you will see a power struggle for the reality being created on a very advanced level. This is similar to what i see tony practice, but i willl say that tonys is a more good way,,,,,the only difficulty in tonys methods is it may cause a type of naive state of being.

And what does all this meen and cause, oh ya just look around and you willl see the fruits of all of these self improvement methods. its causing cruise ship dirrectors thinking they can captain the ship, and clerks thinking there leaders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its not realy self improvement, it is only self help, so realy i want to hear one or at least some kinda stat about the reality of the positive affect all this create your own reality stuff creates, an d i dont meen oh im in such a positive mood stuff, or i feel better about myself,,,,,,,,,,,,you think hitler thought ill of himself,,,,,,,,,,,,im talking stuff like hay after tonys seminar i somehow overcame my fear of blood and i found out one day walking down the street and walked right into a tramatic experience and was able to stop someone from bleading to death while another was threatening violence but i kept my cool and remained unmovable in my conviction to find the most positive outcome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh but there is the differnce between the truth and create your reality,,,,,,,,,,,,,living in truth you look for the most positive outcome for alll invovled if you can,,,,,,,,but then sometimes it means some being realy given what they deserve,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,instead it usualy is oh i was walking one day and this man was bleading to death so i used the xxxxxtechnique to remain positive and dialed 911 and continued on to my apointment in a positive attitude and secured the account as well as made a good impression even thoughi had to stop and spend more time around a violent act than i wanted, but i was able to help to by dialing the phone, maybe i even saved his life, oh im such a good positive person,,,,,,,,,,,,,what a fcking load of crap..........I only bring this up because ive actualy seen this type of incident and reaction happen a minimum of 20 times in 5 years, ive even seen some say why not just let em die, then they get all positive and riding the drama wave,,,,,,,,,,,,it is realy creapy when you know what to watch for its like watching a junky get there fix. To to be a bit more clear there are more than one type and i do not intend to defame some, and i dont realy know or pay much attention to Tony, like i say there is basicly two types,,,,,,,,,,,the type that this create your reality that uses it as a kinda positive numbing agent to put blinders on and do the ostrich thing,,,,,,,,,,,then there are the backstabing vampiric type. Its almost comical to find a vampiric type and know it because they will do almost anything to not get pissed or use a substance to mellow out because i guess if they do it has a much more drastic affect in there reality, ya know imagine a dam of negitive energy being held back with there self-help techniques,,,,,,,,,,,,like it says self-help as in selfish, i wonder what would happen if mothers began to feal this way about pregnacy, oh i dont want to feel dicomfort becausei become a bit of a bitty and th ehormone change makes me moody and then the weight gain and pain of child birth, oh well instead of putting everyone else through my hardship i will just go get an aborshion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then the dillusional reality sets in, in the form of look at the noble deed she did by killing her own baby before it became a crime to make the world a better place:confused: then the other woman that gives birth has to go to another type of extreem to counterbalance the imbalance thus creating more of an imbalance in the long run because after alll we are all tought now adays that tellling some one there screwed up in the head is inapropriate and if you are not smilling like some kinda drug induced sex slave and you cussing some fool out then your the insane one.

sorry to be so extreem in my verbage but some time exageration has its place,,,,,,,,,,,,,i saw shollow hall to it was great, but what if tony did that to the wrong person and it made him go even deeper.

If we were in a one on one face to face conversation I'd relate in detail just how much my life has changed, thanks to what I learned from Tony Robbins. He teaches giving as much as he teachers visualisation and positive thinking. What you give out is what you attract.

Ever seen Pretty Woman? It happened to me :)

Thank you Mr Robbins for the re-programme and setting me on course.

[clozaril]

This will give you a good intro to subversive NLP and the visual side of subliminal manipulation


ok so according to you there is nlp, occult-nlp and subverisve-nlp then you lump subliminal manipulation into the mix.

could you answer post#41

[thetonic]

ok so according to you there is nlp, occult-nlp and subverisve-nlp then you lump subliminal manipulation into the mix.

could you answer post#41

occult, subversive, manipulative etc. whatever you want to call it , its still NLP. They use visual subliminals as well as / in conjunction/ or in addition to the audio ... They use a number of different techniques in mind control to make sure they have all the bases covered.

ok so normal stuff 'could' be programming your subconscious mind then again it 'could' not be. if it could, sorry, if it does program your subconscious mind what would it program it to do.


"Normal stuff" isnt what im talking about here, this is purposefully executed NLP or subliminal manipulation , nothing 'normal' about it


lets be clear here you not confusing mind-control with nlp are you ? or to you nlp is mind control.

One in the same, mind control spawned NLP , not the other way around. It is a method of manipulation implemented through the subconscious, whether it be for something 'good', like getting over a phobia , or something bad like programming people to worship Barak Obama. I am focusing on the bad NLP because it is controlling people at a level that most do not or are not willing to comprehend.

[kimball13]

If we were in a one on one face to face conversation I'd relate in detail just how much my life has changed, thanks to what I learned from Tony Robbins. He teaches giving as much as he teachers visualisation and positive thinking. What you give out is what you attract.

Ever seen Pretty Woman? It happened to me :)

Thank you Mr Robbins for the re-programme and setting me on course.

Good then his methods found the right person, yes i have seen pretty woman and i love the story,,,,,,,,,,,,,i also love to watch up close when a real life pretty woman is taking place..

my only difficulty with his method is the people that believe that one size fits all type thing,,,,,,,there are actualy some of us that did not create our difficultys,,,,,,,,like i said about the whole shallow hall thing imagine that in reverse, imagine being so deap, intlegent, as well as good looking that when people saw you and you were not a bad boy or that type that uses there apearance to advance socialy as a type of sex object or sterio typical alpha male,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now think of it this way, you apear as what other want to be so when they see you they are reminded of that so they look for every single flaw they can to justifie why you are not as good as they are, so the only course of action for you to take is that of subservancy or as an individual which goes against the collective negitive programing.........now this person(me) with this difficulty meets someone from something like tony robbins methods and that person thinks oh i know what you nead or why dont you be like me,,,,,,,,,,,,,well one size does not fit all,,,,,,,,,,,,and some of us are the targets for some of the negitive programs.

I am in fear to laugh because someone might think it at them,,,,,,,,,,,,,and by the way it was i that was reapedadly humiliated and such,,,,,,,so my curcomstance is very differnt,,,,,,,,,,i had no part in my reality tunnel,,,,,,,,,it is unfortuate and a bit humiliating to admit that i am truly under attack by many of the mental health issues of society,,, so just like a loving relative i take the abuse most of the time and carry on, and well how do i put it,,,,,,,,,,,,what do you say to someone born blind, or disfigured, imagine a blind man that can see in differnt ways and he is made fun of until someone invents night vision then all of a sudden doctors are baffled because the blind man kept saying it was to bright, and they find out he can acutualy see so well that his description of the veiw blinds them.

My situation is unique, im sure Tony and I would have some very intersting coversations and who knows maybe we could find a way for cultures to find there hidden beauty, i dont know but i think that is his gift to help others find that beauty that is hidden from ourselves,,,,,,,,maybe that is part of my problem i was born seeing this in people myself and seeing them destroy it in themselves, then i started to see some find it again and become fearful to the point they felt they had to find the exact same thing in others or they were bad, and if they did it differnt then manipulation began out of fear to send the different one away,,,,,,,,,,,,it would not suprise me if an angel came to earth in human form that most would find him so beutiful it frightend them or terrified them,,,,,,,,,think about it,,,,,,,,,an angel would look like an x-man or rambo, he may look like a sterio typical warrior king, or even the punisher,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or what if the actual heir to the King Arthur patriarchy actually existed and he looked a bit sterio typicle, how would people realy react to him especialy if his code was just as sterio typicl would it be him or society that was causing his projection of energy,

Healing is a real pain at times especialy when you know that your healing also has an affect on humanity,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my real gripe is with people that take something good and use it in it form to manipulate others, ive seen the teachings of law of attraction misused to manipulate anther into agreements and such.

Then again its also like imagine a child that has ancestral religios spiritual types that are going to either be his masters or his enemys and he has spent around 40 years just trying to keap his sannity and for lack of better term and because it fits they tried there damnedest to turn him to the dark side of the force. something like what if the Dali Lama did escape tibet but when he did he was so well hidden that allot of his own people forgot where they hid him or exactly which one he was but his enemys had a better idea where he was,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,damitt i just proved that argument for you and others because against those odds the protection and guidance threw allot of that stuff came and in reality the the amount of emotional damage is minimal compared to what text books say my mental emotional state should be in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so i thank you for setting me back on course, and i do misstep with my words i did not intend to insult Tonys teachings from tony used in the way they are intended, i am still re-learning to find the correct ways to put things,,,,,,,,,,,allot of what is crammed upstairs is just that crammed and i should be more aware of how i put things, i just feel that his teachings should be focussed on helping humanity especially now,,,,,,,,,itis a sping that neads to flow, what was given you must be given to others so that is may grow and mature in you also, it is like transforming from a child/student to a parent/teacher then to a guardian/cartaker/grandparent,,,,,,,,,,,i think there is a reason why he teaches what he teachs and only God can understand the end reason but i do think Tony willl or is evolving spiritually just like the rest of us and just as in anything if the creation evolves so to does the creator.

I find it interesting when a parent comments on how much smarter there child is than them, and i just think you are still that smart you just forgot.

my story is a bit similar to that of Vlad, u know the whole hes either going to be good or terrible thing so the church overeacts and desides to screw his head up instead.

I recieved allot of cognitive dissonance programing and as a result i am a bit hyper-vigilant to it, its kinda like that blind guy that realy has super vision and until they could make a device to see it themselves they thought he was just blind and crazy.

heres another question for anyone out there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how do you tell programing from reality when in both the answer is the same and the answer is a bit extreem and kinda like out of a fairy tale or that old sayin about the Once and future King,,,,,,,,but then again i see through it and it became aparent that the programing part is to create an overlay of programing similar to the truth so that when i do come close to accepting it i discount it because i see the programing markers so my own awareness of such things actually works against me, so i had to get humble and accept the possibility of my ancestry and the role i may play as a king in the service of God, one of the non rebellious kings spoken of, ya one of the ones thats crown was stolen and i had to take it back,,,,,so i had to go real deep into the spiritual teachings i know and i found layer upon layer of phycology and spirituality intermixed with some of the physical and i realized what i had spoken of for some time was more the truth than i knew at the time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,true spirituality, or true humanity was fractured long ago into subsections and aloud to grow the direction that we chose seemingly streching reality to its point that it is now almost so broad and far apart that it is reconnecting..................As allot of people preach about the stars, reincarnation, prophecy, signs, then there is archetypes and the mind, what if one day in the darkest hour the only thing left about yourself was the truth and the only way that you got there was by the attacks of those that wanted you to fail, imagine the amount of cognitive dissonance that occured, then also knowing the normal responses to such things,,,,then the hard part was monitoring my responses to what i allowed myself to accept, because i know how the truth feals about myself(a side affect of being wrongly accused about allot),,,,,,,,,,,,,the cognitive dissonance i speak of is not just my own but also societys so my situation is dirrectly conneted and i have to accept that in some of the terms i have to use at times, because christian terms or what some call newage causes red flags for some and the language i use in my description of things contains many avenues of disiplines and sometimes i use terms of someones rival which then causes conflict and judgment towards myself from them and oh boy if i point it out about how they are not being very humble or understanding, but then it is supposed to be that time according to many that someone would come along that would basicly destroy allot of old ideas causing great terror,,,,,,ya imagine the terror all them billion airs are in about there money becomeing useless.

It is realy creapy because in one hand im a warrior in the other im a king so my relationship with other warriors can be intersting to say the least, but the more like a warrior they are the better we get along if there more like a soldier it is difficult, then as far as leaders go most are intimidated because i suppose i have a putin quality about me, and when you mix that authority with personal ability for the imediate vicinity then it is just an imposing energy at times, it is unintentional to cause that fealing in some but that is natural it is something in mankind that is ancient to say the least that has bin forgoten or programed out.

It is a two edged sword when others know what that fealing is and when i know what it is,,, its that fealing of when dad comes home and someone has bin up to know good and they are not fessing up to it so everyone is wonder who is going to get the blame hoping that if anything at least its the guilty party but they still fear that dad is going to accuse the wrong one and they will be unjustly punished,,,,,,,,,,,

probley TMI huh, but hay maybe this is part of that whole atraction thing maybe someone is calling out for just some of this info,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,because im also a bit empathic and it took me a while to realize that some of the emotions i felt were from above and vicea versa so imagine the confusion until i realized i was kinda like a conduit or such thing. But then that is what my ansestors were are, that is what david and arthur were in a sense along with many others, not the pope, the pope perverted the teaching of the religious head, the pope startedof as basicly just a manager who spoke for the king in services, the king understood Gods heart and governed that way, the king did not realy tell the people what to do or realy how to worship he only realy adviced in a weird sense of the word,,,,,,,,,,,that is what the round table was all about, the king just kinda saw the spiritual result as well as teh welfare of the kingdom and had to way the ideas presented,,,,,,,,,,,the pope took that and ran with it down a dark road.

But then just ask this how would a community riddled with a hodgpodge of beliefs along with a large satanic community and how would someone that is from a family that not only is long established in christianity as well as templars/masons but also in 97 it goes public that my heritage is direct to Arthur,,,,,,,,,,,but what allot of them negleced to see and chose to only see all of the bad stuff done in christs name as well as with america, they did not look at what we did, but then we were to busy doing we could not ensure history being written and publicly kknow correctly, imagine being called a racist when you family is the one that created the underground railroad,,,,,,,,,,,or becuase of the arthurian stuff they want to lump you into the crusade when those happend after we were stabbed in the back by the pope, we were the only ones stopping allot of that, so imagine comming from a long line of men that did allot of good and at the same time being lumped into those that came after,,,,,,,,just like what happend in america, if you look close enough you will see that it was Spain and The Vatican the commited allot of the atrocitys along with manifest destiny, not my people. But we get blamed the the church does the were sorry or just forgive us, sorry not this time, The Vatican ows a very large debt to just myself for just what ive bin threw in this lifetime, not to say all of what they have done to my family for 1500 years,,,,,,,,,,,,,so maybe there is something about that law of atraction but i will say this much i was realy trying to denie some of this, but i wanted the truth, so for me its about the chicken or the egg kinda thing i just have to accept and focus on the real me that God intended without any programing good or bad, i have a fealing that that is where i need to look no matter how lonely,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,one truth i learned is that allot of people mistake integrity for ego when they see it, or integrity for confidence, and to be honest Integrity is something that is allot differnt than both, integrity is built upon faith and in faith there can be no confidence or ego in self yet in that you find your true self and that ego and confidence is replace with integrity and truth. Is that similar to what tony teaches to you to find your inner strength.

[clozaril]

Well like I was saying this is something that goes largely un noticed by your conscious mind... Meaning something that may seem apparently normal and harmless could infact be programming via your subconscious mind whether it be through the tv , magazines, books, or simply somebody speaking to you.


ok so the tv , magazines, books, or simply somebody speaking to you 'could' be programming your subconscious mind then again it 'could' not be. if it 'could' program your subconscious mind what would it program it to do.

you say mind control spawned nlp but in post 31 you say nlp has been around thousands of years.

so bad-nlp, subversive-nlp, occult-nlp (your definitions) along with subliminals made 69 million people vote for obama what about the 59 million who voted for mccain ? did the voodoo-nlp not work on them ? cause this mind-control stuff you say seems to have all the bases covered plus in your mind they use bad/subversive/occult-nlp as well just to make sure.

why did 60 million of the 130 million people who are 'controlled at a level they are unwilling to comprehend' not carry out their programming ? why did they not carry out their programming of worshiping obama i mean 60 million people can't all avoid 't.v. magazines, books or simply somebody speaking to them.' can they ?

just admit it. you know nothing about nlp.

[thetonic]

[QUOTE]ok so the tv , magazines, books, or simply somebody speaking to you 'could' be programming your subconscious mind then again it 'could' not be. if it 'could' program your subconscious mind what would it program it to do.

It could program you to do or believe a variety of things

you say mind control spawned nlp but in post 31 you say nlp has been around thousands of years.

Im not following this question...What you think mind control is something new? Humans have been enslaved much longer than we realize

so bad-nlp, subversive-nlp, occult-nlp (your definitions) along with subliminals made 69 million people vote for obama what about the 59 million who voted for mccain ? did the voodoo-nlp not work on them ? cause this mind-control stuff you say seems to have all the bases covered plus in your mind they use bad/subversive/occult-nlp as well just to make sure.

Dont tell me you are naive enough to believe that peoples 'vote' in presidents?... Presidents are selected not elected


why did 60 million of the 130 million people who are 'controlled at a level they are unwilling to comprehend' not carry out their programming ? why did they not carry out their programming of worshiping obama i mean 60 million people can't all avoid 't.v. magazines, books or simply somebody speaking to them.' can they ?


Differnt programming suits different personality types

just admit it. you know nothing about nlp.

I wont do anything of the sort, nor will I continue to argue with you on the subject... If you have any questions Ill answer the best I can but Im not here to establish authourity on NLP, just give others a glimpse in to what the elite would term NLP mind control

[dhama_initiative]

Any of you heard of Tony Robbins?

If you have the chance to join a seminar by this guy I would highly recommend it. He had us fire walking on the first night. He totally changed my life. What you think and speak you can manifest. Know that as truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I

Do you see fat people as thin now?

[clozaril]

you believe that nlp is mind control ok. thats ok, believe that it is but it isn't. nlp was created by 2 hippies one of whom so happened to have an interest in therapy the other an interest in linguistics and both a curiosity why some therapists got good results and others didn't.

thats it. thats nlp. now if you want to continue to believe your mind is been programmed by 'tv, magazines and just simply talking to people' carry on, hell blame it on something you know nothing about and project all your fears on top of it is aswell, simply because NLP is a technical sounding term.

it's unfair to band about your fears and your wild connections about what nlp could be, as thearapists who use nlp to heal and facilitate change in others find it difficult to openly advertise and state they are nlp practitioners due to people like you who make out it's an evil form of mind control.

[amethyst]

his stuff as well as that secret stuff about manifesting stuff sounds alot like mesmerism, what happens when what you manifest conflicts with the neads of others.

in reality what allot of this stuff is is just like microsoft windows operating system, bugs and all, ya know the constant updates and errors, then all the viruses and such.

Probebley one of the most acurated depiction of how it all works is the celestine prophecy outline of the whole energy transference and vamperism.

here is an example of what i speak, in war the one with less fear usualy wins, and in this war on terror who stays more positive wins,,,,,,,,,,,,think of it this way, someone positive as tony runs into a negitive person, he remains in a positive attitude and sheilds himself and remains positive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now after these types of confrontations they tony type will leave the situation even more charged,,,,,,,,,,,dont get me wrong there is good use for this but when it is made a way of life humanity begins to drift away and when people in a negitive state come around they are negated no matter what the reason is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,imagine this someones child is brutaly murderd in front of them, so the perosn gets realy pissed and negitive, now tell me how is positive thinking going to help,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya and if you dont snap to then the create your own reality people will sooner or later shame you into more of a funk or to cause emotional denile and if you dont do it then you dont get to be part of there bigs smiles club,,,,,,,,,,,,dont get me wrong tony seems like a good guy but if his techniques and others like him work so well then why is it that after 20 years of them being put in the forfront of bussiness and such why is the world full of so much negitive crap,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i dont meen to dicount it it is just a bit coincidental,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CASE AND POINT MADDOFF, think about the techniques he used to do what he did and to all those big mucky mucks,,,,,he used allot of those techniques and he knew his clients did to which made it so easy for him to manipulate them for so long.


i could go on and on about this stuff, but most think im just negitive or have an issue with those types. The reality of it is i use it myself just in its opropriate fashion,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is a differnece between using truth and possitive vibes,,,,,,,,,,,,,ya know fact instead of flattery of self and others.

You ever watch what some would call socialites and well refined people insult one another in a way that the insult could be construde as both a compliment and insult. oh boy it gets sticky, but if you look close enough you will see a power struggle for the reality being created on a very advanced level. This is similar to what i see tony practice, but i willl say that tonys is a more good way,,,,,the only difficulty in tonys methods is it may cause a type of naive state of being.

And what does all this meen and cause, oh ya just look around and you willl see the fruits of all of these self improvement methods. its causing cruise ship dirrectors thinking they can captain the ship, and clerks thinking there leaders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its not realy self improvement, it is only self help, so realy i want to hear one or at least some kinda stat about the reality of the positive affect all this create your own reality stuff creates, an d i dont meen oh im in such a positive mood stuff, or i feel better about myself,,,,,,,,,,,,you think hitler thought ill of himself,,,,,,,,,,,,im talking stuff like hay after tonys seminar i somehow overcame my fear of blood and i found out one day walking down the street and walked right into a tramatic experience and was able to stop someone from bleading to death while another was threatening violence but i kept my cool and remained unmovable in my conviction to find the most positive outcome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh but there is the differnce between the truth and create your reality,,,,,,,,,,,,,living in truth you look for the most positive outcome for alll invovled if you can,,,,,,,,but then sometimes it means some being realy given what they deserve,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,instead it usualy is oh i was walking one day and this man was bleading to death so i used the xxxxxtechnique to remain positive and dialed 911 and continued on to my apointment in a positive attitude and secured the account as well as made a good impression even thoughi had to stop and spend more time around a violent act than i wanted, but i was able to help to by dialing the phone, maybe i even saved his life, oh im such a good positive person,,,,,,,,,,,,,what a fcking load of crap..........I only bring this up because ive actualy seen this type of incident and reaction happen a minimum of 20 times in 5 years, ive even seen some say why not just let em die, then they get all positive and riding the drama wave,,,,,,,,,,,,it is realy creapy when you know what to watch for its like watching a junky get there fix. To to be a bit more clear there are more than one type and i do not intend to defame some, and i dont realy know or pay much attention to Tony, like i say there is basicly two types,,,,,,,,,,,the type that this create your reality that uses it as a kinda positive numbing agent to put blinders on and do the ostrich thing,,,,,,,,,,,then there are the backstabing vampiric type. Its almost comical to find a vampiric type and know it because they will do almost anything to not get pissed or use a substance to mellow out because i guess if they do it has a much more drastic affect in there reality, ya know imagine a dam of negitive energy being held back with there self-help techniques,,,,,,,,,,,,like it says self-help as in selfish, i wonder what would happen if mothers began to feal this way about pregnacy, oh i dont want to feel dicomfort becausei become a bit of a bitty and th ehormone change makes me moody and then the weight gain and pain of child birth, oh well instead of putting everyone else through my hardship i will just go get an aborshion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then the dillusional reality sets in, in the form of look at the noble deed she did by killing her own baby before it became a crime to make the world a better place:confused: then the other woman that gives birth has to go to another type of extreem to counterbalance the imbalance thus creating more of an imbalance in the long run because after alll we are all tought now adays that tellling some one there screwed up in the head is inapropriate and if you are not smilling like some kinda drug induced sex slave and you cussing some fool out then your the insane one.

sorry to be so extreem in my verbage but some time exageration has its place,,,,,,,,,,,,,i saw shollow hall to it was great, but what if tony did that to the wrong person and it made him go even deeper.

It's a pseudo, false mechanism of persuasion. It has the "appearance" of wisdom, but in the end, the fruit of it is deceptive and genuinely unfulfilling.

You can't get real genuine "satisfaction" from it. It always leaves you wanting for more.

In the case of music videos, it's that they are teasing you with ideas but in actuality, not delivering on the goods. Because, they are after all, only a video. Which is just an illusion. They plant the ideas, but then leave you hanging.

[kimball13]

It's a pseudo, false mechanism of persuasion. It has the "appearance" of wisdom, but in the end, the fruit of it is deceptive and genuinely unfulfilling.

You can't get real genuine "satisfaction" from it. It always leaves you wanting for more.

In the case of music videos, it's that they are teasing you with ideas but in actuality, not delivering on the goods. Because, they are after all, only a video. Which is just an illusion. They plant the ideas, but then leave you hanging.

i stopped watching music videos around 84, when i went to the edge of a rainforrest to live with my dad and get to know him, he took me in the woods and showed me things, like petting a wild dear, he also showed me to look for what does not belong there, what has moved to the spot or what is not natural for that particular space and time,,,,,,i started to learn a type of invisibility that is very old and know to several tribes of the world, what sucks about that is it just happens sometimes, there are times that motion sensor cameras dotn track me, as well as atomatic doors not opening form me until i focus or jump up and down, and i mean focus or jump up and down, i still havent found which when doesnt draw such attention when it happens, i think when i take a deep breath and focus when its seen then they know something weird is happening but when i jump then it looks like faulty equipment, so the human mind is a crazy very selective thing,,,,,,,,,,,,in that year that he had his facultys he taught me a few things that i found i was better than his friends, one even almost hit me with a heavy peice of wood because of frustration, he told me to double time it and i did but my double time far exceeded his octouble time, i was only about 14 at the time and weighed maybe 120 lbs and stood at 5'6", so you might imagine the jealousy i may have unintentionally caused. Oh and i also have spinal, arterial, intestinal, adrenal, anomalies so when im in the slightest of shape it is noticeable, i realy didnt notice the differnce i just thought maybe im just in better shape(humility works against you sometimes),,,,but over the years and remembering that summer day at 14 when that peice of wood came out of the corner of my eye and i stopped what i was doing and ducked and said what the fck his responce was dont show of, i wasnt he was in his prime and outwieghed me by about 60-80 lbs of muscle so i was confused and just thought maybe it was a fluke,,,,,,,,,,the other fluke was how i learned to read as well as surviving my medical stuff and the doctors amazement, then it was always like they would always just do enough to keep me healthy and my bowels flowing and that was it since i went through certain things but that is another story


i suppose that is a very clear weakness to myself and maybe just a few around me, i allow the music video reality emulators maybe a very bit to much to get me into a very bummer mood

i gues in a way i know what tony teaches carries truth in it because i recongnize the little of his work ive seen, just ive learned what ive learned to remain as positive as possible and create the best outcome i could possibly muster in some of the most traumatic experiences without any time to use what ive learned to enjoy life,,,,,,,,,so to be completyly honest with you ive almost forgonten what kind good people are realy like. i do experience good people but it is like i have to detox from very negitive trauma and such.

Part of it is being subject and victim to such things as a very negitive form of neuro linguistic programing or things that should come underneath that title just due to definition of words,,,,,,,,,,i wil give an example of a type that may cause suicide or extreem paranoia and possible violent outbursts,,,,,,,,,,,the way its done is imagine if someone keeps saying a phrased like were going to kill you just out of ear shot and where you can not see there lips move, this combined with suggestions of being week over a long period of time such as 3-6 mnths, i stretchedit out, this was done with a combination of unneaded medications. There are times that i think of how many possible programs and such ive ran into, i wonder why that is allot of the time,,,,,,,,i dont think that they would put one person through as many types of things ive gone through unless ive bin a kinda bait for covert types practicing there wears on the public,,,,,,,,who knows,,,,,, sometimes it saddens me that i have had to learn some things out of survival, maybe thats a good thing, but i would like to be able to focus more on enjoying life, my mind races with some very troubleing things, i used to be able to enjoy life a bit but the things ive learned about what man does to one another has hit a point of very troubling purportions, i dont like sounding like a doomsayer i am only expressing where i am coming from in my experience, in a sense on a phycological level i see humanity going through something very similar to what ive bin through most of my life in varying degrees,,,,,,,,,,it is because of this that i see a while before i can enjoy life without the intensity that allot of this is for myself, yet it would be allot easer if it was just about myself. It is kinda like in some ways if you saw people get things in life that just about everyone in america is allowed, yet you are not, you are allowed to taste but you can only basicly eat enough to carrie on as you see everyone around get there own tables, the the people at the tables notice that you are actualy a King and are only allowed to eat scraps to they laugh and carrie on like high school bullies,,,,,,basicly that is it in a nut shell,,,,,,,,,then you are always protecting the returaunt and teaching the patrons how to use there utensils and such,,,,,,,,oh so then it hits they have kept me so into solveing problems not unlike that show Pretender that i never even realized that i knew allot of things that most adults spend a life time learning as well as being someone that should have had a whole section of the restaurant to invite all,,,,,,,,,but there was also the whole early on programing to not expect or look for reward for doing what i thought was the right course of action(i wonder why the would do a free will hynotic suggestion like that),,,,,,,,,,,,,so there is an abstract visual of how i feel sometimes with a bit of truth,

But in my own humility and knowing that i am not just as weak as another man i also know i am as strong as any other. In this i also know that even Tony given what he has learned and the happyness hes enjoyed if he lived the next 38 years as i have the last he may not survive and if he did he may not be quite sane but then he may be where i am at now, and this is where i start almost everyday at some point(just using tony as a example, but i am seriouse), andi know that i will loosen the negative parts of the mental crud that has accumulated, i havent bin on a good walk about in awhile, you know the apache do a kinda walk about to.


There was a musical thingy i heard about about singing i always wonderd if its a type of neuroliguistics, you know sound playing tricks,,,,,,,,,,it where you sing a differnt word than the one that everyone else hears because when it comes out the differnt word sounds more like the word than the real word.

[kimball13]

i just think at times shows like sienfeild coused some very distorted thinking, as well as a few other shows,,,,,,,,,i began to notice people actualy acting on a phycological level very similar to jery and bunch, i also began to notice allot of shows were teaching predatory techniques in the guize of fun and games or entertainment.

i dont think you could call me a sketic or niave, or even gullible i just aproach most stuff honestly and voice some of my perceptions so that i may caste aside the false one as soon as possible that i feel important, and if someone claims to know something or whatever i act on there word in listening as if they know what they are teaching, conveying, or etc, then i weigh it agianst my knowledge and experience and form an opinion and basicly submit it so that any misperceptions may be cleared up and if my base of knowledge and experience finds conflict then i seek other bodys of info as well as others opinions,,,,,,oh the research may take place sooner if i have questions about my info,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i suppose my difficulty is i am kinda a jack of all trades in some of this stuff and even when i focus it it may go into parallel things that are pertinent but this also causes confusion in others at times.............this may also be because i am in the top 1-2% for abstract reasoning as well as from extensive tests IQ is not readable, so who knows this may also be from center brain thinking this also include frontal and rear. The funny part is they tried to keep allot of this from me, but after so many tests and results then doing my own research on my medical records and learning of some very important things about my physiology that were never mentioned to me,,,,,,,,there mistake, like they say there is always someone better and just maybe that person is the very one that they tried to hold down.

[kimball13]

Any of you heard of Tony Robbins?

If you have the chance to join a seminar by this guy I would highly recommend it. He had us fire walking on the first night. He totally changed my life. What you think and speak you can manifest. Know that as truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I

ohya i do kinda like him, he reminds me of a good nephlim kinda guy.


i just wanted to clarify, i just sometimes worrie that some are doing the whole siefeld positve freinds window dressing comercial thing.

cool name by the way brings back memories of simpler times going to the local 7/11 and getting a slurpee while we decided if we wanted to roller skate, ride bike, pine cone fights, dig a fort, climb trees, sneek into a building and ride up and down elevators and stop them in between floors and write things between floors, i would prefer to sit and speak to him as two men, i would even enjoy doing an inipe cerimony with tony, i wonder how he feels about the sundance,,,,,,,,,yes i know there are other types of rights of passage,,,,,,i to fire walked but that wasnt the sole purpose of it(pun if funny, no punn if not, i have a habit of misplacing humor),,,,, but i used ot help allot of elders in cerimony and there were maybe 100 or so times i worked the fire with no shoes, it was a bit like a dance without the firewalking, as i maneuvered the wood and stones preparing the for the sweat, there were also time i noticed that it was like fire walking, but what i focused on was working in harmony withthe fire, from start to finish as well as taking its fruit into the lodge so the people may live,,,,,,,,,,a bit differnt but very similar in its teachings of the ability of man to transend and become one with that that would consume him if he misteps or has a lack of faith,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i dont know how i would do fire walking, i think i did it in Hawaii as a child i have a vague memory of it.



then there were the teenage things early or maybe not, is 12 to early to think of girls or go to keggers, SF ca was a bit of a playground in the 70's and early 80's for me from 78-84 i had kinda a very big front yard, yet i was a bit cultured i used ot cut from jrhigh and fresh year 84 and spend allot of time in the museums and palace of fine arts as well as good old fasion exploreing, even then it wasnt advisable but now i would not advice this for any child under 16 to run around a city on ther own like i was from 7-14

[kimball13]

Any of you heard of Tony Robbins?

If you have the chance to join a seminar by this guy I would highly recommend it. He had us fire walking on the first night. He totally changed my life. What you think and speak you can manifest. Know that as truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I


alright i have watched about 2:30 exactly and i already am in a shit load of agreament:D thats 2 minutes 30 seconds and i am not motivated i am thankfull.

[kimball13]

dont meen to change the thread or go of subject i just wanted to say after watching 13:51 i can most assuradly say that for the last 38 years i have had to use the tools he speaks of for being deprived of the very neads he speaks of, the only one they havent bin able to take is spiritual and they even tried to do that, so if i come of as negitive about his methods or those like his it is because i have never had help from men like him or the likes, as well as ive witnessed some taking my discoveries and using them as there own discovery at times,,,,,,,,,,not to sound parranoid but it was about 30 years ago that a great deal of abuse began it seems that the abuse i underwent was almost like a stress test for what he speaks of, ya know like a test run or lets put him threw this and see what he comes up with,,,,,,,,,,,but it could also be that God intended a few to learn the same lessons at the same time from differnt avenues to prove the validity of certain truths, so the quesiton is what would happen if a person was attacked in such a way the he was being denied any way of spiritual expresion. i wonder what the cosmos would do about that, who knows maybe if that person kept faith he would be blessed as well as rewarded kinda like Joseph and the coat of many colors, i loved that story when i first read it, guess they never expected me to learn to read on my own from a bible.

[brainfreeze]

Do you see fat people as thin now?

Excuse me?

[dhama_initiative]

Excuse me?

Shallow Hal is a 2001 romantic comedy film starring Gwyneth Paltrow, Jack Black and Jason Alexander. It was directed by Peter Farrelly and Bobby Farrelly, and filmed in and around Charlotte, North Carolina as well as Sterling and Holden, Massachusetts.

Hal Larson (Jack Black), a superficial man, and his equally shallow friend Mauricio Wilson (Jason Alexander), share an interest in beautiful women, and try to act cool and hip when around them, but most women find them obnoxious and want nothing to do with them. At work, Hal's co-workers accuse him of being shallow and caring about nothing but physical appearance (despite being fat himself), and ask him "when he's gonna get it." Hal wants to see women for their inner beauty, but his fixation on physical beauty gets in the way. By a twist of fate, Hal meets the famous American life coach Tony Robbins while stuck in an elevator. Robbins, understanding Hal's situation, hypnotizes him into seeing people's inner beauty, not their external selves. Subsequently Hal meets and is smitten by Rosemary Shanahan (Gwyneth Paltrow), the daughter of his boss. Rosemary appears to him as slender and beautiful due to her kind, generous nature, but is, in actuality, morbidly obese.

[thetonic]

[QUOTE]you believe that nlp is mind control ok. thats ok, believe that it is but it isn't. nlp was created by 2 hippies one of whom so


I cant understand why you wont accept the fact that Bandler and Grinder did not create NLP , they just gave it a new scientific name... One of the other posters on this thread already showed you they were teaching NLP to CIA in the 50's ... How the fuck could they have created NLP?

thats it. thats nlp. now if you want to continue to believe your mind is been programmed by 'tv, magazines and just simply talking to people' carry on, hell blame it on something you know nothing about and project all your fears on top of it is aswell, simply because NLP is a technical sounding term.

NLP does not frighten me, shit it barely phases me anymore now that I can see it!!!


it's unfair to band about your fears and your wild connections about what nlp could be, as thearapists who use nlp to heal and facilitate change in others find it difficult to openly advertise and state they are nlp practitioners due to people like you who make out it's an evil form of mind control.

Im not against therapists or healers using NLP to help their patients... That does not concern me in the slightest. I do care about humanity being programmed with a much more sophisticated form of NLP than what you are referring to

[tootrue]

here is paul mckenna using nlp to help a woman get on with her life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDwhqXWu-A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nlpconnections.com%2Fvideos% 2Fpaul-mckenna%2Ffast-phobia-cure.html&feature=player_embedded

What's wrong with that is that he is using one type of programming to 'jam' another programming

IMO the woman doesn't need to be re-programmed! She needs to be de-programmed!

[tootrue]

That has nothing to do with NLP, just a writers trick to be a bit rude (or to destroy humanity - one of the two!)



There's an interesting thread here - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3328

[dhama_initiative]

I think NLP can be frightening, if its used by seedy salesmen or male "seducers" (i have had a scary experience myself), it can also be calming and helpful, it is a neutral tool can be used for good or ill.

[clozaril]

I cant understand why you wont accept the fact that Bandler and Grinder did not create NLP , they just gave it a new scientific name...

no i won't accept it maybe answering these questions will help me accept it

so what was this thing that bandler and grinder gave a new scientific name to ? what was the name for this thing before been renamed nlp and taught to therapists ? where did they get this thing from and who gave them it ? why did they select bandler and grinder ? if it was so valuable why give it away ? did they take all the evil out before giving it to bandler and grinder ?


One of the other posters on this thread already showed you they were teaching NLP to CIA in the 50's ... How the fuck could they have created NLP?
no they didn't, some poster copy and pasted some space cadets ramblings



Im not against therapists or healers using NLP to help their patients... That does not concern me in the slightest. I do care about humanity being programmed with a much more sophisticated form of NLP than what you are referring to

as in previous post where you completely ignore facts and figures why did 60 million out of the 130 million people who voted not vote for obama ? you say they were programmed to worship him clearly 60 million don't worship him. what happened there then ? you say it programmes through 'tv magazines newespapers even talking to people' did these 60 million people all wear tinfoil hats so the evil-nlp could not seep into there skull ?

[brainfreeze]

Shallow Hal is a 2001 romantic comedy film starring Gwyneth Paltrow, Jack Black and Jason Alexander. It was directed by Peter Farrelly and Bobby Farrelly, and filmed in and around Charlotte, North Carolina as well as Sterling and Holden, Massachusetts.

Hal Larson (Jack Black), a superficial man, and his equally shallow friend Mauricio Wilson (Jason Alexander), share an interest in beautiful women, and try to act cool and hip when around them, but most women find them obnoxious and want nothing to do with them. At work, Hal's co-workers accuse him of being shallow and caring about nothing but physical appearance (despite being fat himself), and ask him "when he's gonna get it." Hal wants to see women for their inner beauty, but his fixation on physical beauty gets in the way. By a twist of fate, Hal meets the famous American life coach Tony Robbins while stuck in an elevator. Robbins, understanding Hal's situation, hypnotizes him into seeing people's inner beauty, not their external selves. Subsequently Hal meets and is smitten by Rosemary Shanahan (Gwyneth Paltrow), the daughter of his boss. Rosemary appears to him as slender and beautiful due to her kind, generous nature, but is, in actuality, morbidly obese.

Ah, I'm with you now. I saw that movie, Tony was in it :)

But no, I don't see fat people as thin people. Though I do go by the personality of people rather than their outer appearance. Having said that, I do believe fat is unhealthy, just as too skinny is too. :)

[dhama_initiative]

I like Robbins, anyone would be inspired emulating his confidence and optimism.

[scotty99]

I think this thread needs to go in "A new direction" feel my new direction...................nude errection.........feel my nude errection;)


I am a master at NLP:D

[motleyhoo]

If you want to see an example of NLP anytime, just tune into any southern preacher in America. All of the supposed good ones use it (whether they know it or not), and once you realize it, you will also realize that politicians and a lot of people good at giving speeches use it. Just listen to how they put inflection on certain words before intentional pauses. That's classic NLP.

A lot of them probably have never heard of NLP and don't know that's what they are doing, they're just mimicking what they perceive to be the best of their peers.

[ownoiz]

I think this thread needs to go in "A new direction" feel my new direction...................nude errection.........feel my nude errection;)


I am a master at NLP:D

So is this guy, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, for New Direction was one of his election catchphrases...he must have told us he has a Nude Erection thousands of times.

http://smallbusiness.theage.com.au/dotAsset/899159318.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/15/jtrudd_wideweb__470x329,0.jpg

And OT why did the major newspapers have so many pics of him next to another of his slogans "New Leadership" ...but the letters cut off so it read "New Leader" ...all this before the election...rather prophetic lol....
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"All good things must come to an end" - Kevin "i speak fluent Mandarin" Rudd

[brainfreeze]

I think this thread needs to go in "A new direction" feel my new direction...................nude errection.........feel my nude errection;)


I am a master at NLP:D

Watch out for premature elation mate ;)

[scotty99]

Watch out for premature elation mate ;)



It happens to us all....doesn't it????:o................................Its ok I'll be ready to go again in 10 minutes;)


Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, mucky devil, using my lines.;)