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slaffz
02-04-2009, 11:45 PM
G20 agrees to trillion-dollar deal to fight world economic crisis

(Source: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25283059-401,00.html)

*G20 leaders agree to raft of measures
*$7 trillion to be spent fixing economy
*Ordered a crackdown on tax havens

WORLD leaders have agreed to inject hundreds of billions of dollars into the IMF and trade finance, ordered a crackdown on tax havens and pledged to spend $US5 trillion ($7.17 trillion) on the global economy by the end of next year, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown says.

Outlining the conclusions of the G20 summit, Mr Brown announced an additional $500 billion for the IMF, plus $250 billion in IMF Special Drawing Rights and $250 billion to boost trade.

The Group of 20 has also ordered the IMF to sell billions of dollars of gold reserves to help the world's poor countries, and agreed on new rules on pay and bonuses for corporate chiefs, Mr Brown said after the one-day summit in London.

Mr Brown said the International Monetary Fund and World Bank would undergo major reforms to reflect changes in the power structure of the world economy.

"A new world order," he said.

The IMF's resources are to be tripled to about $US750 billion ($1.08 trillion) to help nations through the crisis, Brown said.

Crackdown on 'cowboys'

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said the financial market "cowboys" who wreaked havoc on the world economy will be brought undone by the deal.

Mr Rudd says the agreement would benefit tradies, young people and small business with real commitments against real timelines.

"Today's agreement begins to crack down on the sort of cowboys in global financial markets that have brough global markets undone with real impacts for jobs everywhere," Mr Rudd said.

It was a concrete plan to reduce, but not eliminate, the effects of the global recession set off by the collapse of banks and financial markets in US last year.

"It's been prime ministers and presidents who have struck this deal but it's small businesses, tradies and young people who will benefit from it over time because global action is necessary to support local jobs," Mr Rudd said.

Sarkozy happy

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who had threatened to walk out of the summit, said the result of the meeting was beyond his expectations.

"The G20 countries have decided on a profound reform of the international financial architecture, which has not been done to such an extent since the Bretton Woods accords in 1945," he said.

The agreement represented "a commitment by heads of state and government to strengthen regulation and supervision of financial activities. That was a priority for Germany and France.

"This priority has been taken up as one of the aims of the heads of state and government," he added, speaking after the recovery plan was announced by British Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

"It is now on record that a breakdown in regulation was at the origin of the financial crisis."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev hailed a G20 accord on how to fix the global economy as a "step forward", but cautioned that it would not solve everything.

"This is a step forward, this is a step in the right direction. Of course we could not solve all the issues, but such a goal wasn't on the agenda," he said.

Markets rise

World stocks shot up amid greater optimism. On Wall Street, the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 3.45 per cent and the tech-heavy Nasdaq index was up 3.83 per cent.

London's FTSE 100 index of leading shares closed up 4.28 per cent, Paris soared 5.37 per cent and Frankfurt rocketed up 6.07 per cent.

Hong Kong led the charge in Asia, shooting up 7.41 per cent, while Tokyo closed up 4.40 per cent at a three-month high and Mumbai gained 4.51 per cent.

The key measures

* Extra $US1 trillion ($1.43 trillion) for international bodies, including trebling of International Monetary Fund financing to $US750 billion ($1.08 trillion)

* G20 nations expect to have spent $US5 trillion ($7.17 trillion) battling the economic crisis by the end of 2010

* Extra $US250 billion ($358.6 billion) for trade finance

* Agreement to shame and name blacklisted tax havens

* New rules on pay and bonuses for corporate chiefs

* IMF will sell billions of dollars of gold reserves to help poor countries

* Agreement to 'act urgently' to conclude WTO's Doha round

* G20 leaders will meet again this year

- With wires

the nine
03-04-2009, 12:27 AM
The key measures

* Extra $US1 trillion ($1.43 trillion) for international bodies, including trebling of International Monetary Fund financing to $US750 billion ($1.08 trillion)

* G20 nations expect to have spent $US5 trillion ($7.17 trillion) battling the economic crisis by the end of 2010

* Extra $US250 billion ($358.6 billion) for trade finance

* Agreement to shame and name blacklisted tax havens

* New rules on pay and bonuses for corporate chiefs

* IMF will sell billions of dollars of gold reserves to help poor countries

* Agreement to 'act urgently' to conclude WTO's Doha round

* G20 leaders will meet again this year

- With wires

sell the gold to who?

Ian2day
03-04-2009, 12:32 AM
sell the gold to who?

Whoever is holding all the US dollars. As well as exchanging it for fiat paper at its own presses.

griswald
03-04-2009, 12:38 AM
Whoever is holding all the US dollars. As well as exchanging it for fiat paper at its own presses.


Another transfer of wealth. Gold reserves bought with monopoly money.

griswald

tyler
03-04-2009, 12:41 AM
sell the gold to who?

That was my first question on reading that load of crap!

Maybe they'll sell it to Australian "tradies"!!! Now that's a new Aussie word for us all.:)

Give billions to the IMF? Who owns the IMF and what will they do with all this money?
Help poor countries? Bollocks! Get them into more debt while the elite in those countries get to buy more Mercedes.

ludovico tec
03-04-2009, 12:45 AM
Why can't they just f*** off..

gremlin
03-04-2009, 12:47 AM
Why can't they just f*** off..

i second that;)

the nine
03-04-2009, 02:02 AM
Whoever is holding all the US dollars. As well as exchanging it for fiat paper at its own presses.

so china then?

shenoma
03-04-2009, 02:12 AM
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steevo
03-04-2009, 02:13 AM
Sarkozy is happy. Is he REALLY :rolleyes: Now that IS surprising :rolleyes: He HAD threathened to walk out of the discussions, but that OBVIOUSLY that wasnt all just an act to make the French people believe that he is a GENUINE President and not an NWO puppet :rolleyes:

(I'm being sarcastic)

Sarkozy is NWO. Sorry to state the obvious :o

ajaydean
03-04-2009, 03:45 AM
[QUOTE=tyler;903449]That was my first question on reading that load of crap!

Maybe they'll sell it to Australian "tradies"!!! Now that's a new Aussie word for us all.:)

Give billions to the IMF? Who owns the IMF and what will they do with all this money?
Help poor countries? Bollocks! Get them into more debt while the elite in those countries get to buy more Mercedes.[/QUOTE The imf are run by....guess who?....yes thats right elites who frequent the bilderberg group, run by rockerfeller and his cronies...... they come up trumps at the g20....what a surprise Its a bit like watching a film youve already seen isnt it?

oiram
03-04-2009, 04:48 AM
Sarkozy is happy. Is he REALLY :rolleyes: Now that IS surprising :rolleyes: He HAD threathened to walk out of the discussions, but that OBVIOUSLY that wasnt all just an act to make the French people believe that he is a GENUINE President and not an NWO puppet :rolleyes:

(I'm being sarcastic)

Sarkozy is NWO. Sorry to state the obvious :oFirstly he is France Goverment that answers 70% of the question because France people always place there flag to the strongest wind direction & yes the other 30% is just a stupid primitive act to fool his own people.

That man is full of shit & yes he is a 100% Puppet master for the Elite & this I get confirmed from France people them self's & they hate his guts.

Also that freaking Merkel is the same shit playing the game "good guy bad guy typical" April first fools day alright! But who are the fools the future will tell!



Operation Sarkozy : how the CIA placed one of its agents at the presidency of the French Republic
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/jpg/sarko400-2.jpg (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10060)
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10060

Thursday, 5 February 2009
One should judge Nicolas Sarkozy according to his actions, and not according to his personality. Yet when his doings surprise even his own constituents, it is legitimate to take a detailed look at his biography and question the bonds that brought him to power. Thierry Meyssan has decided to write the truth about the French Republic’s president background. All the information included in this article is provable, except for two assertions signalled by the author who alone takes full responsibility.

Tired of the overextended presidencies of François Mitterrand and Jacques Chirac, the French elected Nicolas Sarkozy counting on his energy to revitalize their country. They were hoping for a break with years of no-change and ideologies of the past. What they got instead was a break with the very principles which founded the French nation, and have been shocked by this “hyper-president”, seizing every day a new dossier, attracting towards him the right and the left wing, and tearing apart all points of reference to the point of creating a total confusion.

Like children who have just made a boo-boo, the French are too busy trying to find excuses for themselves to admit the magnitude of the damages and of their naiveté, and they refuse all the more to see who Nicolas Sarkozy really is, that they realize they should have known since a long time who he was.

One must say the man has talents. Like a magician he tricked them. By offering them the spectacle of his private life and posing in People’s magazines, he got them to forget his political history.

The aim of this article must be clearly understood. It is not to reproach M. Sarkozy his family, his friends or his professional ties, but the fact of having hidden those ties from the French who believed, wrongly, they were electing a free man.

To understand how a man whom all agree today to view as an agent of the United States and of Israel was able to become the head of the Gaullist party and the president of the French Republic, we must go back in time, very very far back. We must make a long digression in the course of which we will present the protagonists who are today taking their revenge.
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10060

http://www.nwo101.com/2009/02/operation-sarkozy-how-cia-placed-one-of.html

oiram
03-04-2009, 05:17 AM
SARKOZY CALLS FOR A "NEW WORLD ORDER" !!!

Dear friends,
With the article below, we learn without the shadow of a doubt on what side the Sarkonazi is : the side of the NEW WORLD ORDER, of the worldwide "elite", of billionnaires and multinational companies , just like I mentioned many times already on the French forum !

The speech held by Sarkozy SEEMS full of "good intentions" (hell is paved with good intentions too ), but is full of lies, contains a double langage full of inversions, just like the NWO likes : so, when Sarkozy speaks about "equal wealth distribution", he atually refers to a capitalist ultraliberal world in which only the RICH and the "ELITE" have all the wealth and power ; when he speaks of "fighting corruption", it is a blatant hypocrit's statement (since he is extremely corrupted himself, and since the members of the world elite are themselves ultimately corrupted - cf. the late scandals regarding Barroso or Olmert, for instance).

When he speaks of "peace", it is only to support the U.S. warmongering policies (against Iran, for instance).

When he tells us about a "fairer distribution of wealth and profits", it means a better distribution for the wealthy, the rich and the rotten elitist and nazi scums of the NWO ! In NO WAY is it a better distribution for the people !

He also speaks, for example, of "ensuring access to energy for all human beings", and it is another LIE. He even contradicts himself afterwards, saying that Iran cannot get any nuclear power (a good example of "ensuring access to energy for all human beings", probably ? ).

Sarkozy is playing the same rotten role of an infiltrated "special agent" of the NWO.
France is turning RIGHT NOW into a dictatorship, a horrible police state, just like the USA or UK did ! Check out the French forum to know more (see topic "forum discussion libre n°3").
Since Sarkozy was elected, MANY unfair and liberticide laws have been adopted by the treacherous new government ! Socialists or liberals, they ALL have the same purpose : helping the rise of a "one world governement" (new world order) and promoting the sabotage of liberties, privacy and dignity !


Sarko tells us about the SAME statements and the SAME guideline than his predecessors, with the SAME oath to the New World Order and to the high instances of the New World Order (Bilderberg, Council On Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Pilgrims Society etc.), just like other dictators (Bush, Blair, Brown, Benedict XVI etc.) did before him !

The "new world order" he refers to is a TOTALITARIAN, REPRESSIVE, LIBERTICIDE AND NAZI order in which each individual is permanently controlled, surveilled and punished, in which constitutional rights and human rights don't exist anymore. ONLY the ones who will be the head of the new world order will decide for the whole planet and will have all the rights. CONTROL OF THE PEOPLES AND INDIVIDUALS, AS WELL AS WORLDWIDE DEPOPULATION are the main goals of these horrible and greedy guys who are at the top of our institutions and governments !

For more info on this, please check the French forum.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/260907Sarkozy.htm

https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2289&sid=5c84b3180f7a3ff59f04351c9a5614d2


Sarkozy calls for UN-led 'new world order'
New York - The United Nations should avail itself as an instrument for a "new world order of the 21st century," French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Tuesday in his first address to the General Assembly. Sarkozy, who won the presidency this year on a strong reform platform to modernize France, urged the world body to embark on programmes ranging from equal wealth distribution to fighting corruption in his speech full of references to France's past revolutionary ideals.

"In the name of France, I call upon all states to join ranks in order to found the new world order of the 21st century on the notion that the common goods that belong to all of humankind must be the common responsibility for us all," he told the General Assembly.

The UN should ensure access for all human beings to vital resources, such as water, energy, food, medication and knowledge, he said. He called for "more morality" in "financial capitalism" and a fairer distribution of profits, earnings in commodities, raw materials and new technologies.

"There must be a change of mindset and behaviour," Sarkozy said in a long list of demands to the international community.

Known for his admiration of the United States and its culture, Sarkozy said France will remain loyal to its friends and the values it shares with them.

But he warned that loyalty should not be equated with submission, a reference to Paris' disagreement with the US-led war in Iraq.

"What I want to say to the world is that France, faithful to its friends, stands ready to talk to all people, on every continent," he said.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/113706.html
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bowtiedaddy
03-04-2009, 06:58 AM
sell the gold to who?

I can think of two families that will probably be buying it. :D

bowtiedaddy
03-04-2009, 06:59 AM
Another transfer of wealth. Gold reserves bought with monopoly money.

griswald

hell of a scam, if you're running it.

Ian2day
03-04-2009, 08:23 AM
so china then?

As well as India and Russia, a few others also.

dlb2007
03-04-2009, 09:27 AM
* IMF will sell billions of dollars of gold reserves to help poor countries

flooding the market with Gold, gold price to drop?

Or will the Gold just disapearing and go to what will be the new government to setup

cleopatraxxx
03-04-2009, 08:07 PM
That was my first question on reading that load of crap!

Maybe they'll sell it to Australian "tradies"!!! Now that's a new Aussie word for us all.:)

Give billions to the IMF? Who owns the IMF and what will they do with all this money?
Help poor countries? Bollocks! Get them into more debt while the elite in those countries get to buy more Mercedes.

i am thinking, all this OBVIOUSLY STAGED ECONOMIC COLLAPSE!!! they are LOADED WITH MONEY> if they can give all that (7trillions?!?!?!?!)to the IMF, where is it coming from in the first place????? WHO THEY? WHO DECIDED to GIVE IT TO THE IMF? is it from their own pockets?????? very important to know this crap.

griswald
03-04-2009, 11:59 PM
i am thinking, all this OBVIOUSLY STAGED ECONOMIC COLLAPSE!!! they are LOADED WITH MONEY> if they can give all that (7trillions?!?!?!?!)to the IMF, where is it coming from in the first place????? WHO THEY? WHO DECIDED to GIVE IT TO THE IMF? is it from their own pockets?????? very important to know this crap.

Its coming from the Federal Reserve, that is a group of private bankers, who are allowed to print money that is created from nothing. Not backed by any gold , as it was when there was the gold standard. All you need is paper and ink.;)

griswald

cleopatraxxx
04-04-2009, 01:19 AM
Its coming from the Federal Reserve, that is a group of private bankers, who are allowed to print money that is created from nothing. Not backed by any gold , as it was when there was the gold standard. All you need is paper and ink.;)

griswald

yes, tnx
isn't that what has been done in the last 20years and is that not why they tell us now we are all in shite? suckers.... of course it is a staged thing. they tell us something yesterday and contradict themselves today.

....:mad:

....:(

cleopatraxxx
04-04-2009, 01:20 AM
... i just wonder for how long ...
untill we are all microchiped... then it ill not mater anymore what we think or want.

griswald
04-04-2009, 01:30 AM
Sure you are already microchipped, and you dont even know it. Your mobile, credit cards, debit cards, laser cards, sat nav system. Plenty of chips there. Why do they need to give you another one.

griswald

shenoma
04-04-2009, 06:01 AM
I can top that one. The aliens will use project bluebeam to fake their own landing.

yes, tnx
isn't that what has been done in the last 20years and is that not why they tell us now we are all in shite? suckers.... of course it is a staged thing. they tell us something yesterday and contradict themselves today.

....:mad:

....:(

icke_is_right
04-04-2009, 10:05 AM
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1238673600.php

Central bank demand is set to increase, likely significantly, in the coming months. The World Gold Council reported gold sales for January 2009. Gold reserves were increased hugely in Ecuador which bought 28.3 tonnes, Russia which bought 4.1 tonnes and Venezuela which bought 7.5 tonnes. For the month of January, central banks were net buyers of gold to the tune of 33.4 tonnes. Russia has now purchased 54.7 tonnes of gold for the 7 months from July 2008 thru January 2009.

The move by Ecuador to spend an estimated $840million on 28.4 tonnes of gold is very significant and yet has barely been reported on. The country has nearly doubled its central bank gold reserves in the past three months, according to data from the World Gold Council. Ecuador spent 5 per cent of the Government's total estimated budget in a mere three months. Should other central banks follow Ecuador’s example than gold will rise to much higher prices.

Another surprise buyer recently was the European Central Bank, which has been selling some of its gold reserves in recent years but suddenly reversed in January, spending nearly $100 million to buy 3.3 tonnes.

The elephant in the room remains China with its very small gold reserves - a tiny 1% of overall currency reserves. China’s reported gold reserves have unlike all other central banks remained static at some 600 tonnes in recent years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_gold_reserves). And yet numerous Chinese officials have said that they are diversifying into gold. China is increasing its gold reserves but may not be reporting it to the world (unlike Gordon Brown they realize it is not wise to broadcast their intentions to the world. The Director of the People’s Bank of China recently stated: “Reducing reliance on the dollar and maintaining greater diversification in foreign exchange reserves is the only way to reduce the risk. As a result, an increase in our country's gold reserves is necessary.”

If IMF gold sales ever get the go ahead from the US Congress which is doubtful in itself, the sales would be coordinated closely with CBGA signatories. Morgan Stanley's analysts said IMF gold sales are likely to be made "off-market" to help countries with huge dollar reserves, such as China, Japan and Russia, to diversify their reserve portfolio without disrupting the currency and gold markets.

The proposed IMF gold sale (some 400 tonnes) is miniscule compared to the diversification requirements of China and the US’ other creditor nations with their massive dollar reserves.

cleopatraxxx
04-04-2009, 02:30 PM
Sure you are already microchipped, and you dont even know it. Your mobile, credit cards, debit cards, laser cards, sat nav system. Plenty of chips there. Why do they need to give you another one.

griswald

hello griswal.
haha... i don't have any of the above, except for the mobile and even that one is not on a contract. of course that doesn't mean they can't get to find out who you are, but with a contract is officially there in the database. Our sat nav system is not registered yet either.

but microhipping the bodies directly is ULTIMATE POWER FOR ULTIMAE CONTROL... you agree ?

thank you
Cleo

griswald
04-04-2009, 06:54 PM
hello griswal.
haha... i don't have any of the above, except for the mobile and even that one is not on a contract. of course that doesn't mean they can't get to find out who you are, but with a contract is officially there in the database. Our sat nav system is not registered yet either.

but microhipping the bodies directly is ULTIMATE POWER FOR ULTIMAE CONTROL... you agree ?

thank you
Cleo


Ha HA Ha.....Sure they are listening to your phonecalls, and they know exactly who, what and where you are. The only way to be sure is, bin it.

Chipping is their ultimate goal, agreed. So you need to distance yourself as far away from supporting the system as possible, if possible. Self sufficiency is the only option I think.

griswald

Ian2day
04-04-2009, 07:24 PM
I see gold being sold off cheap to these nations from the IMF. Then purchased back at a higher price by the IMF. Thus flooding the economies with fiat currency enabling them to finance the cash flow again. A sort of equity exchange taking place. Creating loads of fiat curreny financed with an increase in the gold price. Maybe the IMF will issue a new currency backed with silver. So my advice is to buy some gold and silver before it all shoots up in price and then buy some land to live off of. If I was more disciplined and motivated I would be doing something like this. I'm far too lazy and past caring anymore.

the nine
04-04-2009, 09:05 PM
I see gold being sold off cheap to these nations from the IMF. Then purchased back at a higher price by the IMF. Thus flooding the economies with fiat currency enabling them to finance the cash flow again. A sort of equity exchange taking place. Creating loads of fiat curreny financed with an increase in the gold price. Maybe the IMF will issue a new currency backed with silver. So my advice is to buy some gold and silver before it all shoots up in price and then buy some land to live off of. If I was more disciplined and motivated I would be doing something like this. I'm far too lazy and past caring anymore.

this would also support, there future predictions on some websites, predicting a 500% increase in fuel by the end of the year.. this would indeed be the effect of hyperinflation caused by flooding the world with masses of fiat currency!:(

icke_is_right
04-04-2009, 10:45 PM
I see gold being sold off cheap to these nations from the IMF. Then purchased back at a higher price by the IMF. Thus flooding the economies with fiat currency enabling them to finance the cash flow again. A sort of equity exchange taking place. Creating loads of fiat curreny financed with an increase in the gold price. Maybe the IMF will issue a new currency backed with silver. So my advice is to buy some gold and silver before it all shoots up in price and then buy some land to live off of. If I was more disciplined and motivated I would be doing something like this. I'm far too lazy and past caring anymore.

We're already flooded with fiat currency, check the link on my signature. The IMF won't issue a new silver backed currency. Silver inventory at Comex looks set to be empty in under 2 months. The main holders of silver, ie Joe public aren't going to let go of their bullion until it's reached astronomical heights. I'm holding both gold and silver bullion.

dainis bophary
05-04-2009, 02:02 AM
OBAMA PREPARING FOR NEW WORLD ORDER

http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2009/04/04.html

wchen99
05-04-2009, 02:11 AM
this microchipping nonsense will never come about for the masses. yeah some medical paitients might take it up, and if it helps them, then why not? but there will never be microchipping for us all. it would be too big/expensive/complicated a project for a govt to run or maintain. and thats assuming they even want to do it, which i doubt. i'd guess that 95% of people dont give a shit about important things in life, aka. rising up against the state, so why bother going to all that effort to microchip them when they pose no threat?? the technology may be there, but i dont think the intent, nor the logistics are currently available for any group to actively run some kind of micro chipping thing for humans

Ian2day
05-04-2009, 02:45 AM
this would also support, there future predictions on some websites, predicting a 500% increase in fuel by the end of the year.. this would indeed be the effect of hyperinflation caused by flooding the world with masses of fiat currency!:(

That may just be some oil traders with some futures they wish to offload uptalking the market so that they can sell the options they're holding.

cleopatraxxx
05-04-2009, 03:01 AM
this microchipping nonsense will never come about for the masses. yeah some medical paitients might take it up, and if it helps them, then why not? but there will never be microchipping for us all. it would be too big/expensive/complicated a project for a govt to run or maintain. and thats assuming they even want to do it, which i doubt. i'd guess that 95% of people dont give a shit about important things in life, aka. rising up against the state, so why bother going to all that effort to microchip them when they pose no threat?? the technology may be there, but i dont think the intent, nor the logistics are currently available for any group to actively run some kind of micro chipping thing for humans

i disagree that the intent is not there ( it is their ultimate goal: total control) and logistics are there. that is why they are holding the moneys for that puprpose. by telling us there is an economic collapse, they decide where the money goes. we keep without it while they have and excuse t do what they want to "SOLVE" the economy of the world!!!:mad: it is mainly going into weather wars, disease spreading and ultimately microchipping via vaccination as a "SOLUTION" to the diseases they spread via chemtrails onto the public +genetical modified foods. diseases to which they in power have obviously the antidote for.
compulsory vaccinations , maybe somewhere with martial law are soon to happen. it is all coming.
british and american troops were supposedly coming back home, withdrwal from Iraq. but since yesterday, there have been news on more being sent out into iraq!:mad:
as i said before, they tell us one thing yesterday, then contradict themselves the next day. and what are we going to do about it? what can we? who is going to?and is there any time left for any reversal of this?

ipopacific
05-04-2009, 03:20 AM
wchen99 with the ignorance u display is it any wonder these beings are in power ....we have all ready risen up they just havent seen the effects of it yet .......... i often wonder if those that rule this world were so powerfull then why do they need to hide using subconcious techniques e.t.c that was a retorical question by the way i already know the answer .......they are the ones that are affraid ..... not us !!! and they should be :D