Different types of love

[lostinstrangeworld]

This is an invitation for anyone interested to discuss

Is being "in love" an illusion.....?

As opposed to pure, infinite love?


:confused:

[lostinstrangeworld]

"True wisdom exists in knowing how little we know"
~Socrates

"It is the mark of an intelligent mind to be able to entertain an idea without believing it"
~Aristotle

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/helen_fisher_studies_the_brain_in_love.html

This is very interesting. But only examines things from a physical point of view.

It would be fascinating to include the metaphysical.

[lostinstrangeworld]

The "Obsessive Love Wheel" (OLW) is a hypothetical sphere originally described by John D. Moore in his book, Confusing Love with Obsession. The wheel illustrates the four stages of Obsessive Relational Progression as part of Relational Dependency (RD). Moore suggests that for people who are afflicted with relational dependency (love addiction, codependency, etc) their relationships often follow the pattern of the wheel.


The initial phase of ORP is characterized by an instantaneous and overwhelming attraction to another person. It is at this point the relationally dependent person becomes "hooked" on a romantic interest, usually resulting from the slightest bit of attention from the person they are attracted to.


Phase one: Attraction phase
An instant attraction to romantic interest, usually occurring within the first few minutes of meeting.
An immediate urge to rush into a relationship regardless of compatibility.
Becoming "hooked on the look" of another, focusing on the person's physical characteristics while ignoring personality differences.
Unrealistic fantasies about a relationship with a love interest, assigning "magical" qualities to an object of affection.
The beginnings of obsessive, controlling behaviors begin to manifest.

Phase two: Anxious phase
This phase is considered a relational turning point, which usually occurs after a commitment has been made between both parties. Sometimes however, the relationally dependent person will enter into this phase without the presence of a commitment. The relation can be severed here, resulting in a depressing time for the controlling party. If not severed by this time, psychological help will be required. This happens when the afflicted person creates the illusion of intimacy, regardless of the other person's true feelings. The second phase of ORP behaviors can include. :

Unfounded thoughts of infidelity on the part of a partner and demanding accountability for normal daily activities.
An overwhelming fear of abandonment, including baseless thoughts of a partner walking out on the relationship in favor of another person.
The need to constantly be in contact with a love interest via phone, email or in person.
Strong feelings of mistrust begin to emerge, causing depression, resentment and relational tension.
The continuation and escalation of obsessive, controlling behaviors.
Feeling the other partner doesn't and shouldn't need to contact, meet, bond and/or speak with others.
Violent reactions (verbal and physical) directed to the loved one and/or to oneself if the controlled person starts denying the obsessive demands.

Phase three: Obsessive phase
This particular phase represents the rapid escalation of this unhealthy attachment style. It is at this point that obsessive, controlling behaviors reach critical mass, ultimately overwhelming the RD person's life. It is also at this point that the person being controlled begins to pull back and ultimately, severs the relationship. In short, Phase Three is characterized by a total loss of control on the part of the RD person, resulting from extreme anxiety. Usually, the following characteristics are apparent during the third phase of ORP.

The onset of "tunnel vision," meaning that the relationally dependent person cannot stop thinking about a love interest and required his or her constant attention.
Neurotic, compulsive behaviors, including rapid telephone calls to love interest's place of residence or workplace.
Unfounded accusations of "cheating" due to extreme anxiety.
"Drive-bys" around a love interest's home or place of employment, with the goal of assuring that the person is at where "he or she is supposed to be."
Physical or electronic monitoring activities, following a love interest's whereabouts throughout the course of a day to discover daily activities.
Extreme control tactics, including questioning a love interest's commitment to the relationship (guilt trips) with the goal of manipulating a love interest into providing more attention.

Phase four: Destructive phase
This is the final phase of Obsessive Relational Progression. It represents the destruction of the relationship, due to phase three behaviors, which have caused a love interest to understandably flee. For a variety of reasons, this is considered the most dangerous of the four phases, because the RD person suddenly plummets into a deep depression due to the collapse of the relationship. Here are some of the more common behaviors that are exhibited during phase four of ORP:

Overwhelming feelings of depression (feeling "empty" inside).
A sudden loss of self-esteem, due to the collapse of the relationship.
Extreme feelings of self-blame and at times, self-hatred.
Anger, rage and a desire to seek revenge against a love interest for breaking off the relationship.
Denial that the relationship has ended and attempting to "win a loved one back" by making promises to "change".
The use of drugs, alcohol, food or sex to "medicate" the emotional pain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive_love


The word, "obsess" (or "to be obsessed") is defined by Concise Oxford Dictionary as "preoccupy continually or to a troubling extent". Obsession can be for a person or thing or act. It is a psychological condition that in its extreme form needs medical attention. The person affected by an obsession desires the object of his obsession with enormous passion, ferocity and even madness. When the object of obsession is a person of opposite sex, there is a tendency to confuse the obsession with love. However, there is a fundamental difference between love and obsession.

Love is focused and centered on the needs of the beloved. Obsession, in contrast, is self-centered. The obsessed is always focused on his (or her) own desires and the object of obsession is incidental. Love treats the beloved as a human being and in extreme cases lovers treat love and beloved as divine. For the obsessed the centre of his attention is an object with no desires, no life independent of the intense desire that the obsessed has for the object. He (or she) is almost like a child who is mad for a toy and will take the toy with him (or her) to bed, to garden, and even to the toilet. But if one day the toy hurts the child, there is immediate rejection. The child is now looking for a new toy while the old one is thrown mercilessly into the dustbin.

Obsession is, unlike love, not just passionate; it is ferocious and cruel. The pathos of cruelty that an obsessed displays can be seen in an innocent form in the craving that a child has for a favorite toy. Take the favorite toy away and the child will cry for days and may even stop eating food. The child can be cruel to himself in such a situation. The same cruelty may turn outwards to the toy when the toy is no longer the favorite one. An adult, who expresses obsession in terms of erotic love, is even more dangerous. He (or she) may go to any extent to get the object of his (or her) desire and may even turn violent if the object is taken away. Intensity of such passion is destructive in case of any denial; the obsessed one either destroys oneself or destroys the object of obsession. Newspapers are full of stories of some young boy or girl committing suicide after being turned down. One also hears stories of some boy killing or throwing acid on the face of his girl friend after knowing that she is getting married to someone else.

Violence at denial is only one facet of obsession. The other facet of violence manifests when the obsessed gets hold of and becomes the owner of the object of his desire. No, they do not live happily thereafter. The relationship of the obsessed one with the object of obsession is not a relationship of caring. It is a relationship of power, a display of brutishness, a game of ego. The ownership has to be absolute, to the exclusion of everyone else, and the obsessed needs to demonstrate it every moment to get any pleasure from it. One is not concerned if this stifles or even hurts the object of obsession. Too bad, if it does. The case is typical of a child who sees a beautiful singing bird in the garden, gets hold of it and puts it in a glass jar besides his table, without any concern for the life of the bird. By the end of the day the bird is dead and the child is back in the garden looking for a fresh bird.

Surely, it is very difficult to distinguish between love and obsession during the initial stages of a relationship. Confusing obsession with caring selfless love and becoming an object of obsession amounts to stepping unwittingly into the greatest tragedy of one's life.
http://www.samarthbharat.com/obsession.htm
http://www.johndmoore.net/projects3.html

[lostinstrangeworld]

My comments on the article:

I think that it is also possible to experience obsession without having any desire to harm the one you are obsessed with if it is not in the person's nature to ever wish others any harm. Instead, the pain turns inward and becomes self-destructive.


What I'd love to know is whether the chemistry of the brain is to blame for an obsessive nature, or if it is simply down to thought patterns a person can learn to change.


Is being "in love" with someone synonymous with obsession.....in some ways? :confused:

As opposed to pure, universal, unconditional love? :confused:

[lostinstrangeworld]

Enigma song:
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Morrisey song:
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[lostinstrangeworld]

August 14, 2008


(Does all desire lead to transience?)


We ache for the deepest love
We search,
But lust is empty
We search for the one who'll fit
Only to grow apart
And leave someone,
Or be left.
How can Pandora's box be shut
Once it has been opened
How can you calm the longing
Of deep knowing
In someone's eyes
Once you have caught a glimpse
Of how they can feel....
Do we torture ourselves
With the freedom
Of our modern world
Do we try to bury
Our true need within?
Do we twist out of shape,
As time goes by?
What happened to our innocence
What happened to our
Belief in magic
What happened to the tenderness
Of our open hearts?
Must we wave goodbye,
To fairytales?
Times are never easy
For the born romantic,
Forever searching
For something,
Never to be found,
And if it is found
Perhaps all is not as appears,
As it fades away,
Like another illusion.
But perhaps things
aren't meant to last?
Maybe, its all an experience?
So where is that love,
We really search for?
Where can love be found?
Is creation,
Just an illusion?
Or is there some endless,
glorious plan,
Higher realms, of
greater harmony
An endless experience
Into infinity.....
Then maybe, just
maybe
Fairytales do exist.

(For I do not know if we were meant to return.....
to some kind of BLOB
of cryptic "Oneness"! :D

(It really is tiring being a deep thinker!). :D :D

[the infinite one]

In my view, I feel being in Love is just a electo-chemical feeling in our body, I agree what Icke said in his newsletter about Love in its true sense.

I've been observing people's relationships for a few years now and I can see its based on people's egos and insecurities, its about "what's in it for me" state of mind. What seems to be lacking is friendship in these relationships, a far more loving form of human relationship is what we call friendship. The dynamics between friends and 'love' partners are dramatically different. They can be the same if in love and friendship are both present, but often they're not. When someone is in trouble or needs help, a friend will always be there immediately. No judgement, no condemnation, no 'what about me?' The only question is: 'How can I help?

I have a friend who's had a relationship based on friendship and when the partner stage has ended those people have remained in my mate's life because they are friends. The basic bond of friendship allows a relationship to take a different form, but still remain intact, even grow. If friendship is not the rock on which a relationship is built then what is left is a house of sand destined to fall. It is only a matter of when. Friendship is to love in its truest sense. Real love is something you can trust because it will always do what is right and not think about itself in every situation and trust is the basis of friendship. You don't have to think 'will they be there for me when I need them?', because you know they will.

A partner should also be a best friend and we should be our own best friend most of all, but so often we are not, I think couples should allow each other space to express each individual's uniquness, otherwise personalities conflict.

Friendship, true friendship, is forever because it is closer to real love - love without condition.

We all know consciously that being in love is a false sense of love, but that still doesn't stop us craving for it, we all feel insecure within.

[lostinstrangeworld]

In my view, I feel being in Love is just a electo-chemical feeling in our body, I agree what Icke said in his newsletter about Love in its true sense.

I've been observing people's relationships for a few years now and I can see its based on people's egos and insecurities, its about "what's in it for me" state of mind. What seems to be lacking is friendship in these relationships, a far more loving form of human relationship is what we call friendship. The dynamics between friends and 'love' partners are dramatically different. They can be the same if in love and friendship are both present, but often they're not. When someone is in trouble or needs help, a friend will always be there immediately. No judgement, no condemnation, no 'what about me?' The only question is: 'How can I help?

I have a friend who's had a relationship based on friendship and when the partner stage has ended those people have remained in my mate's life because they are friends. The basic bond of friendship allows a relationship to take a different form, but still remain intact, even grow. If friendship is not the rock on which a relationship is built then what is left is a house of sand destined to fall. It is only a matter of when. Friendship is to love in its truest sense. Real love is something you can trust because it will always do what is right and not think about itself in every situation and trust is the basis of friendship. You don't have to think 'will they be there for me when I need them?', because you know they will.

A partner should also be a best friend and we should be our own best friend most of all, but so often we are not, I think couples should allow each other space to express each individual's uniquness, otherwise personalities conflict.

Friendship, true friendship, is forever because it is closer to real love - love without condition.

We all know consciously that being in love is a false sense of love, but that still doesn't stop us craving for it, we all feel insecure within.

Very interesting thoughts, infinite one. It's got me thinking now.

Thanks for sharing.

[adimon]

This is an invitation for anyone interested to discuss

Is being "in love" an illusion.....?

As opposed to pure, infinite love?


:confused:

(To me) Being in love with someone means I am willing to do anything for them. It isn't altruism, because it increases me also.

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/bmauger.htm

Benig Mauger (pronounced Mo-jhay) is concerned with the ways in which technology and modern living has resulted in "loss of soul". She combines her training and experience in Jungian depth psychology, pre- and perinatal psychology and spiritual awareness to look at ways of restoring soul to human life and more importantly to human relationships.

Benig's first book, "Love in a time of Broken Heart", written from her own personal experience, was followed by a book of poems about love and loss and two other books on healing soul wounds and the impact of the father on the psychological life of children. We caught up with Benig at the Science and Consciousness Conference in Santa Fe.

[psyked]

"Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own." quoted from the book Stranger in strange Land...

[crimsonblade]

This is an invitation for anyone interested to discuss

Is being "in love" an illusion.....?

As opposed to pure, infinite love?


:confused:

I believe so. The feeling of being in love, even deep love amongst soul mates, is still illusory insofar as it is part of a dense vibratory reality. It is a discriminatory form of love, an outspoken favouritism that regards one person over another. This doesn't lessen its significance, and such relationships are both necessary catalysts for self-development, and extraordinary personal gifts. But I do feel that spiritual maturity eventually demands intellectual (and then, by extension, intuitive) discernment between electrochemical attraction and unconditional love. A father who has unconditional love feels no less love for a murderer than for his newborn child, for he acknowledges their mutual worth as subjectivised extensions of himself.

I think that such love is non-existent on this planet at this time. The Earth is too vibrationally dense to accommodate it, but I also think that the gradual dimensional shift will change this. Adults will begin to inexplicably cultivate unconditional love, and it will bless many children from birth (Indigo children being the grossest manifestation of such thus far). Maybe, within a hundred years of our linear time, electrochemical and co-dependent relationships will be confined to history, and regarded as the fruit of a terminally unwell epoch.

[emptiness]

"Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own." quoted from the book Stranger in strange Land...

True love, perhaps. Not love in the conventional sense that we normally use it. Not the love in story books and fairy tales, or the love that from when we were little children, we are told is happiness its in rawest and most unadulterated form.

It's very hard to talk rationally about romantic love because society has decided that it is the absolute height of the human experience and something that is unbreakable and must be completely respected as the purest emotion possible. If anyone even begins questioning it in the least, they are usually derided as bitter, cynical, jealous, or depressing.

But a mind that seeks the truth, even if it runs contrary to fantasies that do, indeed, make any people happy, will see otherwise. Upon further observation, romantic love falls completely apart. It feels good, but like all things, it is a temporary good, and can wade and fade and even completely fall apart or turn into hate. Anything that can fall apart is neither real nor the height of the human experience. True love is unshakable, and radiates in all directions regardless of whether or not you find someone "deserving" of it.
This doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't be romantically involved, of course. It just means you should make sure to read the shores of a romantic happiness quite carefully, making sure not to get pulled in by the tide and drown a horrible emotional death.

If you are willing to admit it to yourself, you'll find that romantic love is an ego-based emotion, and, like all ego-based emotions, should be either discarded or used with great mindfulness.

And it's really not that hard to realize. People who are less attractive (physically or otherwise) are willing to "love" more people than people who are more attractive. Many girls who feel inadequate will "love" just about any guy who is willing to fit into some ego-hole in their mind-stream, even if this man abuses them or cheats on them. Men are willing to love women, but not men (usually). And if someone is lonely, they'll say "I just need to be loved," and will usually be more than willing to love (too strongly) anyone willing to provide this. Just like they are willing to get caught up in religious cults that provide some sense of being or acceptance or love to them.

But the fact is, you already have all the tools to provide all of this to yourself. And when you realize this and develop these qualities, I think it makes it much easier to live a happy, love-filled, and stable romantic relationship.

I just typed way too much.

[lostinstrangeworld]

But I do feel that spiritual maturity eventually demands intellectual (and then, by extension, intuitive) discernment between electrochemical attraction and unconditional love. A father who has unconditional love feels no less love for a murderer than for his newborn child, for he acknowledges their mutual worth as subjectivised extensions of himself.

I think that such love is non-existent on this planet at this time.

I wouldn't say it was non-existent. There have been some really amazing accounts where the parents who lost a child through murder have actually forgiven the person who did it.

"To err is human....to forgive- divine"

[lostinstrangeworld]

True love, perhaps. Not love in the conventional sense that we normally use it. Not the love in story books and fairy tales, or the love that from when we were little children, we are told is happiness its in rawest and most unadulterated form.

It's very hard to talk rationally about romantic love because society has decided that it is the absolute height of the human experience and something that is unbreakable and must be completely respected as the purest emotion possible. If anyone even begins questioning it in the least, they are usually derided as bitter, cynical, jealous, or depressing.

But a mind that seeks the truth, even if it runs contrary to fantasies that do, indeed, make any people happy, will see otherwise. Upon further observation, romantic love falls completely apart. It feels good, but like all things, it is a temporary good, and can wade and fade and even completely fall apart or turn into hate. Anything that can fall apart is neither real nor the height of the human experience. True love is unshakable, and radiates in all directions regardless of whether or not you find someone "deserving" of it.
This doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't be romantically involved, of course. It just means you should make sure to read the shores of a romantic happiness quite carefully, making sure not to get pulled in by the tide and drown a horrible emotional death.

Well said.

If you are willing to admit it to yourself, you'll find that romantic love is an ego-based emotion, and, like all ego-based emotions, should be either discarded or used with great mindfulness.

I would agree, but I would also ask whether romance, in itself, is merely an emotion restricted to 3-d....or not. If romance is coupled with deeper feelings and connections, is it still a bad thing? Isn't it theoretically possibly to keep the feeling fed and renewed so it doesn't always have to die out like it does in most relationships? :confused:

And it's really not that hard to realize. People who are less attractive (physically or otherwise) are willing to "love" more people than people who are more attractive. Many girls who feel inadequate will "love" just about any guy who is willing to fit into some ego-hole in their mind-stream, even if this man abuses them or cheats on them. Men are willing to love women, but not men (usually). And if someone is lonely, they'll say "I just need to be loved," and will usually be more than willing to love (too strongly) anyone willing to provide this. Just like they are willing to get caught up in religious cults that provide some sense of being or acceptance or love to them.

But the fact is, you already have all the tools to provide all of this to yourself. And when you realize this and develop these qualities, I think it makes it much easier to live a happy, love-filled, and stable romantic relationship.

I would agree with that for the most part but I would also say that the desire to share someone's company is not, in itself a bad thing. There is only so far one can go with discovering more about the world as well as themselves when they live entirely in solitude.

Balance is to get the best of both worlds....to enjoy the company of others as well as yourself. I think I am qualified to speak about this as I have spent more time by myself than most. Solitude isn't always a good thing. The mind can grow use to it and become prone to grouchiness and irritability in the company of others. Too much company isn't a good thing for everybody. It allows no time to hear one's own inner voice and work through various issues without the clutter and clatter of everyday life.
:)

[tusme]

This is an invitation for anyone interested to discuss

Is being "in love" an illusion.....?

As opposed to pure, infinite love?

:confused:
Love is only an illusion for those who abuse it...

"Love" is an energy...being "in love", is the desire to express/share that energy...with another.

"Infinite love" is the description of such energy being perfect...imho :)

[bornagain]

Love is only an illusion for those who abuse it...

"Love" is an energy...being "in love", is the desire to express/share that energy...with another.

"Infinite love" is the description of such energy being perfect...imho :)

Nice, I totally agree. :)




~Born Again

[tusme]

Nice, I totally agree. :)




~Born Again
Oh! Thanks Bornagain!! ;) :)

[2013]

This is an old post of mine it explores thesame theme , a bit long sorry but it made a lot of sense to me going thru this understanding . :D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=171134#post171134

What is love .The nature of love as we expereince it ,our understanding of it .We first feel love at birth ,hopefully
so the mother firstly and foremostly represents love to us , followed by the father .These archetypal patterns imprint on us , they are the benchmark against which we subsequently test love .
That is the love we expect to be unconditional and we rely on to always be there .Then we add to this grandparents , family members and brothers and sisters love /hate rivalry ! .When we mature and enter into our own relationships these earlier experiences have an effect upon our own ,depending on how we viewed our parents relationships and those of our selves and family and friends has an effect upon how we handle
these /this relationship .
The reason i have for examining this subject is a question my girlfriend
repeatedly used to ask .Do you love me ? yes .A natural question and one seeking reassurance .This then continued with are you in love with me ? No , i love you .What ! i am still as much in love with you as when we first met .This discussion ! went on for several years not continuously but occasionaly to test the waters .Why are'nt you in love with me the question would come again .
This discussion debate continued thru two years of us being apart , so understandable from that point of view when we got back together that more reassurance would be needed.The IN Love question she kept asking me wasreally mirroring my own searching for the meaning to this question .
I had often fell in love throughout my life im sure many are familiar with the notion /feeling .I came to realise and answered finaly why i wasnt in love with her .The reason being we are love to be IN LOVE is to imply that we are somehow outside of love that we are seperate from it and somehow lack something if we dont have a significant other in order to make us complete .We have been conditioned to feel a lack of something and we often use love as an emotional crutch to support us ( the cause of most addictions ?)

Failure to understand the basic meaning of love leads to disfunctional thinking in realtionships ,we first need a relationship with ourselves .Falling in love also implies that it is a trap a pit into which we fall ,and in some cases it can be just that .Societys idea of love as portrayed in media etc the false expectations that it gives .

As i explained to my partner i understood love to be about initial attraction that brings two people together , but once that initial glamour wore off the in love bit faded , thats when people drift apart.But if love is genuine then the in love grows into love and you feel a deeper connection and it continues to grow .When you experience love what we normally call in love it happens one of two ways there is either the obsessional type of cant sleep ,cant eat need to see that person , phone text etc .
Needing constant assurance from them etc .Or there is the feeling of being more now than you where , food tastes better colours look brighter ,our attitude towards people change we feel lifted .That is more like the true nature of love that is how we are supposed to feel , this bliss is a part of our true nature , this is the feeling we have when the focus of our feelings for self and me me me realises that someone else is just as or more important than us .Hopefuly we maintain the balance and dont put that person on a pedastel .This feeling is what we need to expand and transfer to others .

The love shouldnt be exlusive , the relationship yes ,but the feeling ,one of universal love or infinate as a fine writer once put it .It is a normal reaction to want to be special to the person you are with and not be told that you are loved as equally as everyone else , maybe that stems from childhood and
being told we are a special child etc .Choice of who we share our lives home and have a family withmakes this so in that case .I dont have children but those that do will know that love that expands who you are as an individual and a couple , but often in society its still a them and us .Protect the family which is a normal and necessary thing ,but as we learn we move hopefully beyond this .
That is not to say that each experience we have of love or being in it if thats how we choose to be isnt valid , each teaches
us things about oursleves and its all part of the process .But maybe as we understand ourselves more and become more comfortable with who we are it can only improve our attitude to each other and understand that infinite love is the only truth everything else is illusion after all .:D

[2013]

Love is only an illusion for those who abuse it...

"Love" is an energy...being "in love", is the desire to express/share that energy...with another.

"Infinite love" is the description of such energy being perfect...imho :)

My understanding of love at this point is that the illusion perpetuates itself as being IN LOVe we Fall IN love and OUT of Love . This implies we are somehow seperate from Love whereas We ARE LOVE . Just be love THe in or not seperates us or gives the illusion of seperation as we are somehow not in love when alone .so therefore without love or not worthy somehow of it .
In this way we are more easily manipulted by society the PTb oursleves and others .
That is the condensed version of my previous post :D

[lostinstrangeworld]

My understanding of love at this point is that the illusion perpetuates itself as being IN LOVe we Fall IN love and OUT of Love . This implies we are somehow seperate from Love whereas We ARE LOVE . Just be love THe in or not seperates us or gives the illusion of seperation as we are somehow not in love when alone .so therefore without love or not worthy somehow of it .
In this way we are more easily manipulted by society the PTb oursleves and others .
That is the condensed version of my previous post :D

Well said. Brilliant. A lot of wisdom in your posts.

I feel I have gained some insight into this great mystery :D

[tusme]

My understanding of love at this point is that the illusion perpetuates itself as being IN LOVe we Fall IN love and OUT of Love . This implies we are somehow seperate from Love whereas We ARE LOVE . Just be love THe in or not seperates us or gives the illusion of seperation as we are somehow not in love when alone .so therefore without love or not worthy somehow of it .
In this way we are more easily manipulted by society the PTb oursleves and others .
That is the condensed version of my previous post :D
Sounds about right, 2013...!! ;) :)

Sometimes, you'll be surprised, all it takes is to know one's responsibility towards the love expressed to another... ;)

[firstlook]

Lately I've understood that Love is the energetic projection that starts God knows where. I think we Project what we want to and react to that projection. Love as a emotion kinda makes it participatory and worth the experience.