The Great Chemtrail Debate

[anthony65]

Marpat has been involved in debating chemtrails for a long, long time.

He says that he wants to debate the issue of chemtrails seriously.

Okay Marpat.

Here is a thread especially for you.

But let's get a few things straight before we start.

1: "We" (those who are convinced that chemtrails exist) are not of one opinion. We have all made individual experiences that lead us to the conclusion that chemtrails are real.

2: There are many opinions about what chemtrails are for, but much of this is speculation. Some of this speculation is backed up by good arguments (and pertinent facts), but it is difficult to prove these theories 100%.

3: Let's take things slowly. Don't expect to get a dozen questions answered at once.

[anthony65]

What are chemtrails?

What evidence do we have to prove their existence?

I will start the ball rolling with...

"The Space Preservation Act 2001"

This Act was a bill presented to congress by Denis Kucinich in 2001.

He specifically mentions chemtrails.

Marpat: Do you accept the validity of this document?

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2977
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 2, 2001
Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

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A BILL
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

The President shall--

(1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.

SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on--

(1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.

SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--

(1) space exploration;

(2) space research and development;

(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

[stompk]

1: "We" (those who are convinced that chemtrails exist) are not of one opinion. We have all made individual experiences that lead us to the conclusion that chemtrails are real.



Hello.

I have done a lot of research into chemtrails.

I believe that these are chemicals that are being pumped through the turbines combined in the fuel.

As they pump it from the trucks, it is injected. When it is burned, it is vaporized. I believe it is something like silver iodide, in nanoparticle size
and sold as a way to manipulate the weather.

Commercial, private and military are all contributing, because the mix can be put into Type A, A1, JP8, JP10, Avgas, etc.

A gram of silver iodide can produce 600,000 billion ice nucleating particles.
With over 400 grams in a lb, it doesn't take much to produce a artificial precipitation trail through just about any combustion system.

Now, how do those in the know avoid it? They rarely venture into the atmosphere. They travel in car, aircraft with filtered environments, and their homes/offices are the same way.

But, you'd think if they were pumping this stuff in the gas through the engines, we would see indications, like clogged fuel filters.


A multi-additive injection system for injecting required amounts of different additives to flowing fuel in a fuel line (6) comprises a number of additive injection sub-systems (1, 2, 3 and 4). Each sub-system includes a source of additive (7), a pump (13) to deliver additive from the source (7) to the fuel line (6), and an additive meter (21) to measure an amount of the additive being delivered to the fuel line (6) by the pump (13). The multi-additive injection system further includes a meter to measure the amount of fuel flowing through the fuel line (6) and a control device such as a computer to control the pump (13) of each sub-system to adjust the amount of additive being delivered by each pump, should the amount metered by the meters (21) deviate.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6609534.html


Global inventories of aircraft fuel usage and emissions are required for the quantification of the atmospheric effects of aviation. For climate impact assessments, input data for individual emissions such as nitrogen oxides (NOx: NOx = NO2 + NO) need to be placed on a global grid.

http://www.cate.mmu.ac.uk/aero2k.asp


http://www.aero-net.info/index.php?id=59 (Here) is some good research.

[anthony65]

Hello.

I have done a lot of research into chemtrails.

I believe that these are chemicals that are being pumped through the turbines combined in the fuel.

As they pump it from the trucks, it is injected. When it is burned, it is vaporized. I believe it is something like silver iodide, in nanoparticle size
and sold as a way to manipulate the weather.

Commercial, private and military are all contributing, because the mix can be put into Type A, A1, JP8, JP10, Avgas, etc.

A gram of silver iodide can produce 600,000 billion ice nucleating particles.
With over 400 grams in a lb, it doesn't take much to produce a artificial precipitation trail through just about any combustion system.

Now, how do those in the know avoid it? They rarely venture into the atmosphere. They travel in car, aircraft with filtered environments, and their homes/offices are the same way.

But, you'd think if they were pumping this stuff in the gas through the engines, we would see indications, like clogged fuel filters.


http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6609534.html


http://www.cate.mmu.ac.uk/aero2k.asp


http://www.aero-net.info/index.php?id=59 (Here) is some good research.


Welcome new member stompk.

Here is a link to the Welsbach patent!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49162

[anthony65]

This thread was created to counter Marpat's repeated untruth that "we" do not provide any facts.

The truth is that we have provided many facts.

Here is a list of some of them…

Please refer Marpat to this thread the next time he asks for facts…

The Marpat Chemtrails Thread: started with The Space Preservation Act 2001

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50412

I chose to start with this document, because Denis Kucinich used the term chemtrails. At least in the first draft. He was later pressured to remove it from the Bill.

Here is a quote from the Bill...

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

There is also reference to…

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations…

I believe that chemtrails are multi-purpose and that they have to be understood together with HAARP and similar activities.

Let's move on to another FACT.

Way back in 1992 the National Academy of Sciences recommended the spraying of reflective particles including aluminium in the stratosphere.

This is described in the very long document "Policy implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation and the Science Base".

As you can see, there was a thread created for this…

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49166

This is the same NSA who were recently quoted in the context of Obama and Geoengineering.

I've linked to the document and to the section on Geoengineering.

Scroll to the bottom of this post to see the section in red that describes aircraft exhaust delivery methods.

Global Warming: An Effect of Weather Manipulation?

Here is an interesting article that links weather manipulation to the global warming scam...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60762

Note that this article mentions the United Nations ENMOD Treaty from 1977…

"an Environmental Modification Treaty was signed or ratified by 70 of the world governments in 1977 to prevent hostile weather manipulation.

Actions that would contravene the treaty would be: triggering earthquakes, manipulating ozone levels, alteration of the ionosphere, deforestation, provoking flood or drought, use of herbicides, setting fires, seeding clouds, introduction of invasive species, eradication of species, creation of storms, destruction of crops."

You can't discuss weather modification without mentioning HAARP. Marpat has been dismissive of HAARP, but In 2002 90 Deputies at the Russian Duma (Parliament) protested to Vladimir Putin about the US HAARP System.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49167

Quote:

"The significance of this qualitative leap could be compared to the transition from cold steel to firearms, or from conventional weapons to nuclear weapons. This new type of weapons differs from previous types in that the near-Earth medium becomes at once an object of direct influence and its component."
and

"The USA plans to carry out large-scale scientific experiments under the HAARP programme, and not controlled by the global community, will create weapons capable of breaking radio communication lines and equipment installed on spaceships and rockets, provoke serious accidents in electricity networks and in oil and gas pipelines and have a negative impact on the mental health of people populating entire regions, the deputies said."

The Russians were very advanced in the field of weather modification / EMF / ELF technology.

As already posted on the forum, the Russian Woodpecker system was based near Chernobyl.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=744394&postcount=4

http://pix.fine.kiev.ua/egor/gallery/0000b02w

As we know, the topic of geoengineering keeps getting mentioned in the mainstream news, although we have seen that the debate goes back at least to 1992 and the NSA report mentioned above.

Here is a BBC article describing sulphur rockets.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6369971.stm

Here is the wiki article on Geoengineering: Note that they reference the melting ice from 2005 to 2007 to push the global warming agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoengineering

One method proposed is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfur_aerosols_(geoengineering)

This is what we have higlighted on the forum many times with the ZDF Chemtrails video which shows the "hypothetical usage" of this method to combat global warming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpEcHya7Jk

Another subject that has been posted many times is the historical record of the British (and American) Goverments in testing their own populations with chemical and biological agents:

Millions were in Germ tests

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

Marpat likes to dismiss this as "The Guardian Article". No. This is a Ministry of Defence Report that was brought to public attention by the efforts of Norman Baker MP.

Marpat also likes to dismiss this as old news, from the Cold War. The report refers to the period 1940 to 1979, but the reason that no more recent reports exist is that the MOD do not comment on "ongoing research". See the quote at the end of the article. Have they done further testing since 1979? FFS…

In the Rockefeller Report from 1994 the US government admitted chemical tests against its own population.

US Senate hearings in 1977 it was reported that between 1949 and 1969 239 populated areas in the USA were contaminated with biological agents.

Here is a summary of such operations in the US and UK.

http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/-%202007/Chemical%20and%20Biological%20Testing%20on%20Human %20beings.htm

Here is a thread I posted as an introduction to chemtrails

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50547

The thread contains a link to this site http://www.chemtrails911.com/intro_to_chem.htm which contains much of the information I've posted here.

It also references some technical information such as...

US Patent 5003186 from 1991 titled "Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming" also known as the Welsbach Patent.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49162

A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.

Note that this patent was issued to Hughes Aircraft Company.

Another patent from 1974 from the US Navy…

http://www.rense.com/general2/pat.htm

Abstract

Light scattering pigment powder particles, surface treated to minimize inparticle cohesive forces, are dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as separate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material.

CLAIMS:

1. Contrail generation apparatus for producing a powder contrail having
maximum radiation
scattering ability for a given weight material, comprising:

a. an aerodynamic housing;
b. a jet tube means passing through said housing, said tube means having an inlet at a forward end of said housing and an exhaust at a rearward end thereof;
c. a powder storage means in said housing;
d. a deagglomeration means also in said housing;
e. means connecting said powder storage means with said deagglomeration
means for feeding
radiation scattering powder from said powder storage means to said deagglomeration means;
f. the output of said deagglomeration means dispensing directly into said jet tube means for
exhausting deagglomerated powder particles into the atmosphere to form a contrail; and
h. means for controlling the flow of said powder from said storage means to said deagglomeration means.

2. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein said jet tube means is a ram air jet tube.
3. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein an upstream deflector baffle is provided at the output of said
deagglomeration means into said jet tube means to produce a venturi effect for minimizing back
pressure on said powder feeding means.
4. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein said deagglomerator means comprises:

a. means for subjecting powder particles from said powder storage means to a hammering action to aerate and precondition the powder; and
b. a jet mill means to further deagglomerate the powder into separate particles.

5. Apparatus as in claim 4 wherein pressurized gas means is provided for operating said
deagglomeration means.
6. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein said radiation scattering powder
particles are titanium
dioxide pigment having a median particle size of about 0.3 microns.
7. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein said radiation scattering powder
particles have a coating of extremely fine hydrophobic colloidal silica thereon to minimize interparticle cohesive forces.
8. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein the formulation of said powder consists of 85% by weight of
TiO2 pigment of approximately 0.3 micron media particle size, 10% by weight of colloidal silica of
0.007 micron primary particle size, and 5% by weight of silica gel having an average particle size of 4.5 microns.
9. The method of producing a light radiation scattering contrail, comprising:

a. surface treating light scattering powder particles to minimize
interparticle cohesive forces;
b. deagglomerating said powder particles in two stages prior to dispensing into a jet tube
by subjecting said powder particles to a hammering action in the first stage to aerate and
precondition the powder, and by passing said powder through a jet mill in the second stage
to further deagglomerate the powder;
c. dispensing the deagglomerated powder from the jet mill directly into a jet tube for
exhausting said powder into the atmosphere, thus forming a contrail.

10. A method as in claim 9 wherein said light scattering powder particles is titanium dioxide pigment.
11. A method as in claim 9 wherein said powder particles are treated with a coating of extremely
fine hydrophobic colloidal silica to minimize interparticle cohesive forces.
12. A method as in claim 11 wherein said treated powder particles are further protected with a silica gel powder.

Background/Summary:

BACKGROUND

The present invention relates to method and apparatus for contrail generation and the like. An earlier known method in use for contrail generation involves oil smoke trails produced by injecting liquid oil directly into the hot jet exhaust of an aircraft target vehicle. The oil vaporizes and recondenses being the aircraft producing a brilliant white trail. Oil smoke trail production requires a minimum of equipment; and, the material is low in cost and readily available. However, oil smoke requires a heat source to vaporize the liquid oil and not all aircraft target vehicles, notably towed targets, have such a heat source. Also, at altitudes above about 25,000 feet oil smoke visibility degrades rapidly.

SUMMARY

The present invention is for a powder generator requiring no heat source to emit a "contrail" with sufficient visibility to aid in visual acquisition of an aircraft target vehicle and the like. The term "contrail" was adopted for convenience in identifying the visible powder trail of this invention. Aircraft target vehicles are used to simulate aerial threats for missile tests and often fly at altitudes between 5,000 and 20,000 feet at speeds of 300 and 400 knots or more. The present invention is also suitable for use in other aircraft vehicles to generate contrails or reflective screens for any desired purpose. The powder contail generator is normally carried on an aircraft in a pod containing a ram air tube and powder feed hopper. Powder particles, surface treated to minimize interparticle cohesive forces are fed from the hopper to a deagglomerator and then to the ram air tube for dispensing as separate single particles to produce a contrail having maximum visibility for a given weight material. Other object, advantages and novel features of the invention will become apparent from the following detailed description of the invention when considered in conjunction with the accompanying drawing.

[accuracy]

anthony65, he IS baiting you.

Please e-mail me:



Tony err accuracy. ;)

[accuracy]

I also have Spamfighter, if any of you knockers try to send crap.

[anthony65]

anthony65, he IS baiting you.

Please e-mail me:

tonyst@iprimus.com.au

Tony err accuracy. ;)

Baiting yes...

But also inspiring.... :D

I'm tired of Marpat's lies about no facts being presented.

If he wants to discuss facts, then we can.

I have no problem with that.

This thread demonstrates very clearly that the facts are there, that they have been posted on the forum and that Marpat has chosen time and time again to ignore them!

Artifical snow, Marpat?

Still reckon it's the silliest thing you've ever heard?

[fuzzylogic]

Yes, you have a thread of facts but you do not have a thread of proof.

For example, if you believe that "Policy implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation and the Science Base" is proof that chemtrails exist then you must also believe that giant space mirrors exist.

Why isn't there a giant mirror conspiracy?

[anthony65]

Yes, you have a thread of facts but you do not have a thread of proof.

For example, if you believe that "Policy implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation and the Science Base" is proof that chemtrails exist then you must also believe that giant space mirrors exist.

Why isn't there a giant mirror conspiracy?

Thank you Fuzzy. :)

Thank you for confirming that this thread contains many facts.

This is something that Marpat consistently refuses to acknowledge.

I hope that this thread will finish that particular accusation.

Which is also a lie.

As demonstrated here.

Your logic is a bit flawed this morning Fuzzy.

"Policy implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation and the Science Base" is proof that chemtrails exist?

Taken on it's own it is not proof that chemtrails exist.

But it certainly doesn't prove their non-existence.

It very much supports the argument that chemtrails do exist.

But no, it isn't the ultimate proof that they exist.

But it is proof that as long ago as 1992 the National Academy of Sciences recommended the spraying of reflective particles including aluminium in the stratosphere.

And if they wrote this in 1992, then we can assume that they were considering this even before then, an assumption which is supported by some of the documents mentioned in this thread.

It is a fact that the NSA published "Policy implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation and the Science Base" in 1992.

It is a fact that this document, among many other things recommended the spraying of reflective particles including aluminium in the stratosphere.

Why so hasty Fuzzy? :)

Oh you mainstream science people are so emotional! ;)

And who says there isn't a giant mirror conspiracy?

Or rather giant mirror project?

Maybe it's a red herring. I don't know.

Prove there isn't one Fuzzy.

Start your own thread if you like...

[fuzzylogic]

I get the impression that Marpat goes on about proof more than facts.

[fuzzylogic]

Stumbled into this. I'd be very interested to hear your opinion about this, Anthony65. I can't imagine it's the first time you've come across it. -> http://www.orgonelab.org/chemtrails.htm

[anthony65]

I get the impression that Marpat goes on about proof more than facts.

He demands proof.

He demand facts.

Facts we have given him.

[wazaaap]

i still don't believe in them lol

just kidding - it is a no brainier.

i think they are doing it to kill the bees - also help with harp to create a magnetic hole in the earths protective shield.

this is in line with what Nostradamus has predicted leading up to 2012

[anthony65]

Stumbled into this. I'd be very interested to hear your opinion about this, Anthony65. I can't imagine it's the first time you've come across it. -> http://www.orgonelab.org/chemtrails.htm

First time for me...

[disorder2k8]

I have marpat blocked, its easier

[disorder2k8]

Here is something I am interested in finding out

the HAARP station is in Antarctica correct? If it is then I think it is making the hole in this article

http://www.natural-environment.com/blog/tag/ozone-layer/


Because why would there be an ozone hole down at the south pole ?


Maybe they are using HAARP to cause global warming?

[wazaaap]

Here is something I am interested in finding out

the HAARP station is in Antarctica correct? If it is then I think it is making the hole in this article

http://www.natural-environment.com/blog/tag/ozone-layer/


Because why would there be an ozone hole down at the south pole ?


Maybe they are using HAARP to cause global warming?

harp is mainly in Alaska - but i have seen similar sites smaller around the world on the net.

[anthony65]

Here is something I am interested in finding out

the HAARP station is in Antarctica correct? If it is then I think it is making the hole in this article

http://www.natural-environment.com/blog/tag/ozone-layer/


Because why would there be an ozone hole down at the south pole ?


Maybe they are using HAARP to cause global warming?

The main HAARP station is in Alaska.

But there are others.

God knows what they have in Antarctica.

Could you post again on the HAARP thread?

I'd prefer to keep this thread to the discussion of the facts I presented.

Thanks!

[disorder2k8]

okily dokily, ah i dunno where that thread is, if i find it again i'll post it, but it might not be anything important anyway

my mistake

[anthony65]

okily dokily, ah i dunno where that thread is, if i find it again i'll post it, but it might not be anything important anyway

my mistake

No mistake! :)

But I went to some trouble to collect the facts in one thread and I'd prefer to focus on the "facts" here than start on new stuff...

Here is the sticky HAARP thread!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1190

I posted on HAARP here too, but I'd rather focus here on the "official" statements I mentioned.

Cheers!

[anthony65]

Post number 5 on this thread has all the juicy facts that marpat likes to ignore. :)

[disorder2k8]

You dont need to prove anything if you are in the majority.

Like religion :D

[fekdemasons]

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Marpat can't come to the forumn right now , he's currently at 30,000 ft somewhere over the capital , wearing a grey all in one suit ,stroking a white cat and laughing menacingly. (little finger in side of mouth)

[john connor]

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Marpat can't come to the forumn right now , he's currently at 30,000 ft somewhere over the capital , wearing a grey all in one suit ,stroking a white cat and laughing menacingly. (little finger in side of mouth)

:D

[steevo]

Great thread Anthony65. Thanks!

[banjoreality]

Stumbled into this. I'd be very interested to hear your opinion about this, Anthony65. I can't imagine it's the first time you've come across it. -> http://www.orgonelab.org/chemtrails.htm


stumbled onto it hmmmmm..... very interesting, pray how did you "stumble"
that site is the first site to appear when u google orgone.....some discovery, oh and what a strange coincidence: the doctor that runs the site says he's a cloudbusting pro.... he also says that conspiracy nuts (who believe in chemtrails etc...), pot heads and "people who do LSD" should be banned from using orgonite....(check out the "so you want to build a cloudbuster?" section)..mmmmm verry interesting..... who does this Dr work for?
who funds his research? he also consistently bashes Croft, how strange.;)

[anthony65]

stumbled onto it hmmmmm..... very interesting, pray how did you "stumble"
that site is the first site to appear when u google orgone.....some discovery, oh and what a strange coincidence: the doctor that runs the site says he's a cloudbusting pro.... he also says that conspiracy nuts (who believe in chemtrails etc...), pot heads and "people who do LSD" should be banned from using orgonite....(check out the "so you want to build a cloudbuster?" section)..mmmmm verry interesting..... who does this Dr work for?
who funds his research? he also consistently bashes Croft, how strange.;)

I don't know the site, but I had heard of DeMeo.

He did a tour of Germany a few years ago (before I had heard of chemtrails and orgonite) to rubbish the Don Croft Orgonite.

The tour led to a massive increase in the number of Germans using orgonite. :D

[banjoreality]

I don't know the site, but I had heard of DeMeo.

He did a tour of Germany a few years ago (before I had heard of chemtrails and orgonite) to rubbish the Don Croft Orgonite.

The tour led to a massive increase in the number of Germans using orgonite. :D
heheheheh an empty arse will eventually attract a hole..... you can't minus the plus:)

[anthony65]

heheheheh an empty arse will eventually attract a hole..... you can't minus the plus:)

Is that a Spanish proverb? :D

[hellosatellites]

Is that a Spanish proverb? :D

lol

[anthony1965]

Bump.

This thread is almost a year old now and there are lots more facts for us to share with marpat.

And for him to ignore.

Such is life on this forum I suppose.

[largejack]

Marpat is a disinfo agent end of:D

[fekdemasons]

Marpat is a disinfo agent end of:D

Not so much Disinfo as NO info.... Or DIS interested.