Feeling of Guilt

[bornagain]

Honestly I feel guilty for bringing in awareness to my family about the nwo, I now see that my dad is doing mentally far worse, he had depression before yet he now seems more dead than before.
I regret the hours that I spent talking to my aunts about this whole thing because now they are worried somewhat, I do not want to bring them into this but I already did. :(

Am I doing a right thing by forcing them to take in the information?
I do not want to see my family suffering.



~Born Again

[somethinganonymous]

Hi,

Sorry to hear your father isn't feeling to well. I know all too well how that feeling of guilt and despair might overcome you mentally and physically.

I do not have any concrete advices, but this little book might be a worthy reading, regardless of your father's religious affiliation:

http://essene.com/GospelOfPeace/peace1.html

Happy Reading!

:) Lots of love to you and your father.

[themime]

Am I doing a right thing by forcing them to take in the information?





No,you shouldn't force anyone to believe something simply because you think it is true.

[les_paul_robot]

Surely there's a difference between forcing someone to believe and making someone aware of your beliefs. I'm pretty sure you've been doing the latter. It's like the saying, the truth will set you free but first it will piss you off.

[oiram]

Surely there's a difference between forcing someone to believe and making someone aware of your beliefs. I'm pretty sure you've been doing the latter. It's like the saying, the truth will set you free but first it will piss you off.
Ha .... You not wrong pissed me off for the last 25 years! Now I am feeling relieved always knowing I was on the right path!


And what a lonely world it was!

[oiram]

Declaration of Independence

Here is the complete text of the Declaration of Independence.
The original spelling and capitalization have been retained.

(Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776)
The Unanimous Declaration
of the Thirteen United States of America

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts: John Hancock, Samual Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York: William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey: Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania: Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware: Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland: Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia: George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina: Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia: Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

Source: The Pennsylvania Packet, July 8, 1776

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html

[oiram]

Feeling of Guilt

Look at the Energy Level you can not fall much lower!
Never ever feel Guilt ...... Never ever!

That's there exact reasons to push, Promote & enforcing there Holocaust agenda over & over again truth or not truth!
The effect is what they are looking for; to suck out you're energy..
Or in better terms never developing positive Energy levels.

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[white horse]

Honestly I feel guilty for bringing in awareness to my family about the nwo, I now see that my dad is doing mentally far worse, he had depression before yet he now seems more dead than before.
I regret the hours that I spent talking to my aunts about this whole thing because now they are worried somewhat, I do not want to bring them into this but I already did. :(

Am I doing a right thing by forcing them to take in the information?
I do not want to see my family suffering.



~Born Again

They say the strngest prison bars are the ones you cannot see - I often wonder if I would be better of in ignorant bliss.

I feel your pain!

[Ian2day]

I regret ever asking the Universe to wake David Icke up. Or was it all a suggestion in a dream...

[tusme]

Honestly I feel guilty for bringing in awareness to my family about the nwo, I now see that my dad is doing mentally far worse, he had depression before yet he now seems more dead than before.
I regret the hours that I spent talking to my aunts about this whole thing because now they are worried somewhat, I do not want to bring them into this but I already did. :(

Am I doing a right thing by forcing them to take in the information?
I do not want to see my family suffering.



~Born Again
Hi Bornagain,

"Guilty" is only real when an "un-truth" is expressed...otherwise, the only problem is, "forcing them" to take in the information...

By doing so, you're breaching their Universal right, of Free-will...

My advice, is to offer them the Truth (information)...and let them decide the type of relationshp they want with it...

If, its the case a Family member wants to engage in a debate/discussion, re, that information, then, imho, the time would be right to offer them further evidence of the facts...otherwise, be patient, Truth ain't going anywhere...!? ;):)

Good luck!!

[bornagain]

Hi Bornagain,

"Guilty" is only real when an "un-truth" is expressed...otherwise, the only problem is, "forcing them" to take in the information...

By doing so, you're breaching their Universal right, of Free-will...

My advice, is to offer them the Truth (information)...and let them decide the type of relationshp they want with it...

If, its the case a Family member wants to engage in a debate/discussion, re, that information, then, imho, the time would be right to offer them further evidence of the facts...otherwise, be patient, Truth ain't going anywhere...!? ;):)

Good luck!!

My most of family is actually very interested about the NWO they ask me about the news all the time we have debates etc.
But I just feel that they are worried about this so much I stopped starting conversations about this subject until they ask me I don't to have to burden them with keeping our family and worrying about what is going on.






~Born Again

[tusme]

My most of family is actually very interested about the NWO they ask me about the news all the time we have debates etc.
But I just feel that they are worried about this so much I stopped starting conversations about this subject until they ask me I don't to have to burden them with keeping our family and worrying about what is going on.

~Born Again
Well, at least you're at an advantage, your folks appear to know the Truth about the NWO...mine, seem to think I'm joking when I tell them, there are people out there trying to control and enslave us... :eek: :)

Rather than feeling "guilty", perhaps, you should help your folks find ways to strengthen their psyche...!?

As in the case of mine, I've advised them to take more responsibility of their health (for obvious reasons) and cease the "family feuds" :D, as it only causes dis-unity and a waste of positive energy...in which case, weakens our ability to stand firm in our opposition to the NWO...and indeed, the current economic downturn... ;) :)

Now, it's given them a new sense of purpose and optimism...minus the thoughts of a NWO, of-course...!! :D

[bornagain]

Well, at least you're at an advantage, your folks appear to know the Truth about the NWO...mine, seem to think I'm joking when I tell them, there are people out there trying to control and enslave us... :eek: :)

Rather than feeling "guilty", perhaps, you should help your folks find ways to strengthen their psyche...!?

As in the case of mine, I've advised them to take more responsibility of their health (for obvious reasons) and cease the "family feuds" :D, as it only causes dis-unity and a waste of positive energy...in which case, weakens our ability to stand firm in our opposition to the NWO...and indeed, the current economic downturn... ;) :)

Now, it's given them a new sense of purpose and optimism...minus the thoughts of a NWO, of-course...!! :D

Yes, my parents fight like cats and dogs and whenever they do it I usually come in between them and make a comment such as "you will be happy in a fema camp" or "yea hope you kill each other so they want you to" stuff like that or I start screaming and tell them that disunity is that what they want, my mom seems to understand this more than my dad (who is truly an angry individual, since he had a rough childhood but still its no excuse to be angry of nag, he has been trying though to turn around his negative energy into a more positive, but whenever I look in his eyes he is so unhappy and he has admitted that to me that there is no more reason to live, I don't know what to think I might need to buy him a book or something.)
I usually try to be as cheerful as possible and suprisingly my mom is handeling it pretty well, she has read alot of meditation and psyhology books, while my brother on the other is sadly a very faithful follower of alex jones which scares me a lot, :(
I decided not to push certain info with my other close relatives, because if they want the truth they will know where to come anyways. :)





~Born Again

[les_paul_robot]

It's in another thread somewhere; I would get them this book. It'll cheer them up
http://images.booksxyz.com/large/15/71/74/1571743847.jpg

[tusme]

Yes, my parents fight like cats and dogs and whenever they do it I usually come in between them and make a comment such as "you will be happy in a fema camp" or "yea hope you kill each other so they want you to" stuff like that or I start screaming and tell them that disunity is that what they want, my mom seems to understand this more than my dad (who is truly an angry individual, since he had a rough childhood but still its no excuse to be angry of nag, he has been trying though to turn around his negative energy into a more positive, but whenever I look in his eyes he is so unhappy and he has admitted that to me that there is no more reason to live, I don't know what to think I might need to buy him a book or something.)
I usually try to be as cheerful as possible and suprisingly my mom is handeling it pretty well, she has read alot of meditation and psyhology books, while my brother on the other is sadly a very faithful follower of alex jones which scares me a lot, :(
I decided not to push certain info with my other close relatives, because if they want the truth they will know where to come anyways. :)

~Born Again
Hi Bornagain,

Hmm, your Family's situation seems familiar...!? :D

I'm sorry to hear about your Dad's difficulties...tell your Dad, "he might feel there is no reason to live"...but you have an infinite number of reasons why he should...and if that ain't good enough, tell him how much you love him...should be reason enough!! ;)

Buying him a book is a splendid idea...why not introduce him to the DI forum...!? I'm sure he'd love it here...tell him there's a vote going on, in the General section... :D :D :D

Just kidding...!! ;)

Regardless of the situation, Mother's tend to get on with life quite fine, don't they...!? NWO or not, mine would stop for a few seconds, and then simply carry on without a bother at all...:D

Don't be too hard on your folks...Truth has it's own Perfect Purpose & Timing. :)

[bornagain]

Hi Bornagain,

Hmm, your Family's situation seems familiar...!? :D

I'm sorry to hear about your Dad's difficulties...tell your Dad, "he might feel there is no reason to live"...but you have an infinite number of reasons why he should...and if that ain't good enough, tell him how much you love him...should be reason enough!! ;)

Buying him a book is a splendid idea...why not introduce him to the DI forum...!? I'm sure he'd love it here...tell him there's a vote going on, in the General section... :D :D :D

Just kidding...!! ;)

Regardless of the situation, Mother's tend to get on with life quite fine, don't they...!? NWO or not, mine would stop for a few seconds, and then simply carry on without a bother at all...:D

Don't be too hard on your folks...Truth has it's own Perfect Purpose & Timing. :)

Thanks for replying to this thread, a lot. I mean it's a good thing I voted for you in the vote for moderator forum, I picked at random since I didn't know any people. Wow.....:)





~Born Again

[tusme]

Thanks for replying to this thread, a lot. I mean it's a good thing I voted for you in the vote for moderator forum, I picked at random since I didn't know any people. Wow.....:)





~Born Again
Wow!! Really!? In that case, your Dad's vote is not needed...!! :D :D

Thankyou Bornagain...mine's a lost cause :D, still, it's very much appreciated!! ;)

Oh! and thanks also, for the friend request...!! ;) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif