Conditioning

[chandrakavi]

OSHO says about conditioning:"ACTION IS ALWAYS GOOD, REACTION IS ALWAYS BAD.:mad:

REACTION MEANS YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED UNCONCIOUSLY.:confused:
Someone says it all ,says something, and you react. You are a slave:eek: and the other knows how to press your buttons. You are behaving like a mechanism. You are a robot, not a man yet. Act, don't react.
You are not a toy in the hands of another.

We react according to our conditionings. :D

In the laboratory of B.F. SKINNER, a new mouse is introduced.
They continue to work with mice because they give no credit to men.
They believe that if they can understand the mind of a mouse , they have
understood humanity.
The old mouse ,that had been there with B.F. Skinner for a long time ,
initiated the new mouse. He said to him: "Look, professor B.F.Skinner
is a good man, but you have to condition him first. Push this button
and immediatly breakfast will arrive to you. I have conditioned him perfectly well."
B.F. Skinner, the behaviorist, believes he has conditioned the mouses,
and the mouses believe they have conditioned him!:D

Conditioning is murder ; spontaneity is killed. The mind is fed with certain ideas and you are not allowed to respond on your own.(...)

Unconditioning is needed. That is what I mean we must unlearn. Once the mind is unconditioned new things are pure. The currrent of conciousness flows again; it is no loger blocked. You are no longer frozen. By and by complexes will melt. You become again a great energy."

Conciously and unconciously we are being conditioned at all times, if we are not aware that this is being done to us. Through TV, reading, newspapers
and alla the media, movies, parents, family,education, politicians, we end up being HIPONOTIZED ,by how society wants us to react. If we do NOT react we are not playing the hypnotizer's game ,we continue to live our lives. So one as to be very selecctive about everything that is being done, and where it is all coming from, and who's game it is. Society want us to be reactionaries,
not being people that act according to ourselves, if that happens the yfeel they would lose CONTROL. And to the Illuminati everything has to do with control.
There is an old story in the POPOL VUH ,when the gods created human beings. The human beings were grateful for having been given life, so they decided to go to the gods and thank them for what they had done. The gods were CONTROL-conditioning gods, and being very scared decided
to call for an urgent meeting. Speaking among themselves they said , "we can not allow these people to have complete knowledge and wisdom, if they do, they will have to be gods like us.":eek: From there on people live in different parts of the world ,with different languages, different cultures, and only know
part of what is going on. Centuries later internet has come into the scene,:rolleyes:
which these"gods" for one reason or another have not been able, or don't want to control ,since maybe it permits them to know what people believe, know and think. With this information perhaps, they can manipulate better to their advantage, who knows.

Behaviorists like B.F. Skinner calla themselves scientists and psychologists,
but are nothing but manipulators of the mind, not allowing people to be themselves, turning them into conditioned people.
Conditioning is used everywhere. In our daily lives, marketing, propaganda machines, everything they sell us and what not. We can only open our eyes more, so we are no longer mislead to accepting things we don't need and don't want.:)

[chandrakavi]

All right si this is the problem, then what is the answer besides being aware of it?

Here is what David Icke says about it:
"much of human conciousness has been imprisoned within the loweer fourth dimensional prison of fear, guilt, and frustration. Only by opening our hearts and minds can we escape and reconnect with our INFINITE SELF. Love is the answer.":):)

"They are trapped symbolically in time and space. They are imprisoned on the lower Fourth Dimension by their own attitudes and until they open their hearts they cannot escape. The reptilians need more love than anyone."


"The brotherhood system seeks to imprison the human psyche in the left brain, the "rational" intellect which only believes waht it can see, touch, hear or smell. The "education" system and the media are structured for this
and most teachers, lecturers ,scientists and journalists are left brain prisoners themselves When we open our hearts and minds we activate
the right brain, the intuition and inspiration which connects with the cosmos."

(All quotes from THE BIGGEST SECRET of David Icke)

[chandrakavi]

"control Of The Human Mind And Emotions Are The Very Foundation Of The Reptilian Control Over The Human Race.
Control A Person's Mind And You Control Them. The External
Manipulation Of The Mind Takes Many Forms And The Question Is
Not How Many Are Mind Controlled, But How Few Are Not.
Every Time You Allow A Newspaper, News Programme, Or Manipulating Advertisement Affect You, You Are Being Mind Controlled."


The Biggest Secret---David Icke

[garth]

"a very very few people run this planet and control your life, yet you have the power to control your life, you just give it away" - David Icke, Freedom Road.

Its pretty easy to react in this world, particularly when you can see who's pulling the strings. It takes IMO a great deal of effort to overcome the "condition of reacting" to everything that goes against the grain (albeit your own filter).

Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion:D

[montag]

The vast majority of the planets population have no idea whatsoever that they are not their conditioned self, it's an absolute revelation when you can awaken to this and begin to discover the true self for the first time..

[chandrakavi]

Naturally they condition human beings from birth, so they can CONTROL
them permanently. It is up to us to be aware of mass psychology, and cut loose into being truly free, and not society's slave.

"Sheep need someone to guide them. We humans keep each other in line!"--DAVID ICKE :eek::rolleyes:

[chandrakavi]

:o:o
Sometime ago I read something of Osho that says something of this:

It is interesting to see people when they go see a movie.
They ALL know it is an empty white screen. Everyone knows it is images being projected on the screen. If one watches the faces of the people
once the movie starts, you can see that they have been totally hypnotized,
they believe everything is real ,and forget it is only a fiction being played on an empty screen. If something is sad they cry, if it is funny, they laugh, their moods are totally conditioned and controlled. When the movie is over the screen is empty of images again,
people forget about everything and go home. Although much of what they have seen will remain in their unconcious mind.

One has to be MASTER of his OWN moods ,not let hollywood or the mind do it for you. Once you control your moods, no one will do it for you and you will be free of any conditioning. Be master of your own moods.
:D:(:rolleyes::eek:

[chandrakavi]

The vast majority of the planets population have no idea whatsoever that they are not their conditioned self, it's an absolute revelation when you can awaken to this and begin to discover the true self for the first time..

You are absolutely right on that Montag!:rolleyes:

[notaslave]

:o:o
Sometime ago I read something of Osho that says something of this:

It is interesting to see people when they go see a movie.
They ALL know it is an empty white screen. Everyone knows it is images being projected on the screen. If one watches the faces of the people
once the movie starts, you can see that they have been totally hypnotized,
they believe everything is real ,and forget it is only a fiction being played on an empty screen. If something is sad they cry, if it is funny, they laugh, their moods are totally conditioned and controlled. When the movie is over the screen is empty of images again,
people forget about everything and go home. Although much of what they have seen will remain in their unconcious mind.

One has to be MASTER of his OWN moods ,not let hollywood or the mind do it for you. Once you control your moods, no one will do it for you and you will be free of any conditioning. Be master of your own moods.
:D:(:rolleyes::eek:

Yes I couldn't agree more and the longer you stay away from tv and movies the more you see the conditioning. It infact becomes a conscious decision to turn over the amount of time - 90 minutes usually - to watch a movie, a passive thing. I find it very difficult unless I am in someone elses home but many are the movies I have seen at home (on pc) and only the first 5 or 10 minutes before some woman is screaming or something and I think "No thanks, not today" and off it goes. lol

G'son likes Dr Who and you can get that online so when he is staying I see that but have to admit I'm not keen unless it has cybermen in it.

Action and reaction thing ... yes I am aware of how much I react and how little I act. A popular education course made me see that. Yet still I spend more time reacting that acting. Though I am far more active than I was 12 years ago. Even in my group we spend a lot of time reacting. Maybe we should invite some popular educators down lol

[chandrakavi]

Yes I couldn't agree more and the longer you stay away from tv and movies the more you see the conditioning. It infact becomes a conscious decision to turn over the amount of time - 90 minutes usually - to watch a movie, a passive thing. I find it very difficult unless I am in someone elses home but many are the movies I have seen at home (on pc) and only the first 5 or 10 minutes before some woman is screaming or something and I think "No thanks, not today" and off it goes. lol

G'son likes Dr Who and you can get that online so when he is staying I see that but have to admit I'm not keen unless it has cybermen in it.

Action and reaction thing ... yes I am aware of how much I react and how little I act. A popular education course made me see that. Yet still I spend more time reacting that acting. Though I am far more active than I was 12 years ago. Even in my group we spend a lot of time reacting. Maybe we should invite some popular educators down lol

Good! It is always important to be aware of how much we are being led to react,
and not continue to do so, since that energy is not coming from ourselves.
The more you meditate, the more you will be aware of this, won't be mislead to react because of the Media, or what others conciously or unconciously
do to you. Have your own moods, your own reactions.
Don't let them chip you beforehand, so we become a robot of others, without realizing it, one has to be awake. Good that you are.

[foreverspirit]

The vast majority of the planets population have no idea whatsoever that they are not their conditioned self, it's an absolute revelation when you can awaken to this and begin to discover the true self for the first time..


Did you awaken or did the life force that flows through you cause you to awaken? If so, why you and why not the others?

[montag]

Did you awaken or did the life force that flows through you cause you to awaken? If so, why you and why not the others?
A bit of both, my situation at the time required that I awaken to save me from myself..
As do why most don't awaken, I'm not sure, maybe they're just not at that point in their evolution yet.

[chandrakavi]

Leave out the third party involved trying only to make us react,
when we should only ACT, with no manipulation incolced,
no one should control our moods vut ourselves.:):D:(:mad:

[chandrakavi]

Microchips can make us robots
the american company VERICHIP, all over the world
including INDIA, you will not be able to run away by going there to meditate,
something has to be done so we are NOT CONDITIONED by Microchips.

[alice1111]

Chandrakavi,

What you say is so true. It seems though that it is becoming harder and harder to do. I will not accept defeat and yet I sometimes get the feeling that I'm not real happy being here. I get tired of the challenge of more and more duality. I realize that duality makes this world . We seem to need black and white here, but I would like it to get a little less challenging. I feel ready for a new adventure.

Love

Alice:o

[foreverspirit]

Looks like I'm still subscribed to one thread. If you'd like an explanation to the way you feeling and thinking, it would be in your better interest to check out this guy: Alan Watt @ cuttingthroughthematrix(dot)com:cool:

[alice1111]

Thank you foreverspirit,

I do love Alan Watts and will be listening to the audios today. It's been a long time since I read him.:o

Alice

[chandrakavi]

Chandrakavi,

What you say is so true. It seems though that it is becoming harder and harder to do. I will not accept defeat and yet I sometimes get the feeling that I'm not real happy being here. I get tired of the challenge of more and more duality. I realize that duality makes this world . We seem to need black and white here, but I would like it to get a little less challenging. I feel ready for a new adventure.

Love

Alice:o

Lovely Alice:

Well, it is people who feel like you, away from the duality ,
living in ONENESS. (you are absolutely right this world is made of DUALITY) who make this world better.
These guys can do a lot of harm, make things hard, but the good thing is that they are NOT Perfect, as much as they would wish. They lack magic, spirituality, LOVE,
here is a quote by Mystic Osho which I find relevant:
"REAL RESPONSABILITY IS TOWARDS YOUR OWN NATURE, and to nobody else. You are not responsible to society or to the church or to the state. You are not responsible to the family, to the community. You are responsible only to one thing: to your original face, your original being.
And inthat responsibility all other responsibilities are covered automatically".

Truly the moment we change from mind to meditation the whole life will be affected,
things will become clear, with more light in your life,, when one sees things clearly no one can behave in the old way, change will have to occur. If you start living from the heart,
you will realize that this world will change for the illuminati if they move from the mind to the heart. They don't feeel loved, so we have to BE love. Life is a beautiful play, we play rols, that's all. Once they see people so happy, the will want to find the formula, so they can do something better with their lives, get happiness into their lives.
In INDIA, they have the DAY OF INTERNATIONAL LAUGHTER, spreading all over the world,
laughter moves 33.000 muscles, gives health. gives inner spiritual cleanness. So we have to be ALL happy for no reason at all, positive saying YES TO LIFE.

LOVE TO YOU,

Chandrakavi

[alice1111]

IMO it is all about unconditioning, unlearning, not reacting. Here in the US, it is getting more and more challenging and so you have no other choice being a seeker of 'what the heck is going on' to look inside yourself to see. Thinking or feeling for oneself is a concept not a whole lot of people here in the US have caught on to. They keep us so busy working etc. to take the time to learn or unlearn. But their are some who are doing just that. I have seen them on the internet and have met a few, very few. So maybe it comes down to doing for yourself and not fighting against like they would like you to do. More duality. When not having to do what I seem to have to do, I spend much time alone studying and meditating. Getting the heart in a better place despite the turmoil. It does work, however challenging at times.

Love

Alice:)

[chandrakavi]

IMO it is all about unconditioning, unlearning, not reacting. Here in the US, it is getting more and more challenging and so you have no other choice being a seeker of 'what the heck is going on' to look inside yourself to see. Thinking or feeling for oneself is a concept not a whole lot of people here in the US have caught on to. They keep us so busy working etc. to take the time to learn or unlearn. But their are some who are doing just that. I have seen them on the internet and have met a few, very few. So maybe it comes down to doing for yourself and not fighting against like they would like you to do. More duality. When not having to do what I seem to have to do, I spend much time alone studying and meditating. Getting the heart in a better place despite the turmoil. It does work, however challenging at times.

Love

Alice:)

You've got the right way to go, I know many people simply by observing you,
your aloneness, not being lonely in need of others(which is what duality in part has
ben made of), people will begin to make sense of this siituation.
Yes, time is used so people work for them, not for us, so we can be free, but that is to be expected.
There are coraugeous people everywhere, so we are in big company, the seekers, the time will come when with the right attitudes, things will change, people copy what you do, they are copiest, not originators of things, so behaviour patterns have to be adopted so others can follow and believe me they will.

Many people are a SEED, of conciousness, as i remember the title of an OSHO book, which says a lot: ONE SEED MAKES THE WHOLE EARTH GREEN.

LOVE,

Chandrakavi